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Speaker 2: Of them, still in his prime. Ft senior insire both

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Speaker 3: That's how I know when did you start wearing bow ties?

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Speaker 3: Because you have a regular tie on, So now tell

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Speaker 1: Well, actually, there were times in the past fifteen years

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Speaker 1: started wearing them in twenty ten. I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: pre twenty ten. But AJ, who cares. People want to

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Speaker 1: talk about baseball, not my hair, my looks, or whenever

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Speaker 2: I desperately want to steal the attention away from football

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Speaker 2: this week. I want to start with a city that

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Speaker 2: needs to pay attention to their Phillies and not to

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Speaker 2: their Eagles just because they're in the Super Bowl. Do

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Speaker 2: you think that the Phillies could be players for Kyle

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Speaker 2: to sign back to the Cubs. I'm sure the Yankees

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Speaker 2: would be involved. But can you get into what you

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Speaker 2: In the notes column.

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Speaker 1: Yes, what I mentioned was that the Phillies have seventy

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Speaker 1: five million dollars just about coming off their payroll at

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Speaker 1: the end of this season. Now, I also said that

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Speaker 1: well because they have no internal options. So the seventy

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Speaker 1: their team is getting older, their whole core is getting older.

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Speaker 1: They're in their thirties to mid thirties, and they're going

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Speaker 1: they already have, which is really good. So that's why

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Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker could be someone that makes sense for them.

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Speaker 1: As I wrote, they're going to need to be in

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Speaker 1: this window is not going to be open with these

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Speaker 4: Talk about another superstar who's been snubbed, not just for awards.

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Speaker 4: When I read your notes, calm kind of hit on

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Speaker 5: I didn't realize you were a video game guy.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm modldly a video game guy. But what I

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Speaker 1: saw this big announcement that the cover of the show

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Speaker 1: de la Cruz. I thought, well, that's cool, but the

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Speaker 1: best young player in the game is Bobby wit Junior.

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Speaker 1: And if you're trying to honor young players, where is

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Speaker 1: that guy? So yeah, I wrote about it today my notes.

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Speaker 1: Colum got the standard kind of wishy washy no comment

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Speaker 1: pretty much from a PR person over at Sony. They think.

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Speaker 1: They basically said, we chose our guys. Every year this controversy,

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Speaker 1: we choose our guys. It's always looked difficult for us

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Speaker 1: to choose who should be on the cover. But to me,

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Speaker 1: by any objective measure, if you're looking at the best

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Speaker 1: young players of the game, you're making three. I would

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Speaker 1: to be one of them. Now he's older than all

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Speaker 1: So maybe they thought he's too old. I don't know what.

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Speaker 5: Maybe he just needs a better agent. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they called his agent is his agent? His dad

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Speaker 1: His agent is his dad? But I don't believe his

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Speaker 1: agent was necessarily involved with this. This is EA and

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Speaker 1: Sony's choice, not Bobby Wit Juniors or Bobby.

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Speaker 2: Won get the call. I can actually step in on

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Speaker 2: because I actually know his marketing agent pretty well. He

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Speaker 2: him up there, because if he got the call, the done.

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Speaker 5: You know who Scott was rooting for.

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Speaker 2: Elly Baby, Well, if you're gonna have three, you might

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Speaker 2: as well have four. I get the point, but maybe

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Speaker 2: he was too old. And also I have a guess

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Speaker 2: and I know Bobby's technically a national superstar, that that

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Speaker 2: stuff does matter.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: Kansas City is a small don scot all right, that's.

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Speaker 1: A fair question. But look at the other markets that

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Speaker 1: talking about a big West coast or big East coast

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Speaker 1: that at all. Actually, I could have mentioned that in

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Speaker 1: to have somebody the Midwest might have been advisable, considering

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Speaker 1: that all three of the other guys, well, Cincinnati's not

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Speaker 1: really an eastern city, but it's east of Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh and Baltimore certainly are eastern cities. So there's

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Speaker 1: no logical explanation.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about a guy from Iowa, and

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Speaker 3: Pat Hoberg got fired from Major League Baseball, and this

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Speaker 3: has been going on for apparently almost a year, this

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Speaker 3: the whole year, knowing that this was coming. He did

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Speaker 2: I told you. They took him off the field as

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Speaker 5: Well, so when did this When did we say this

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Speaker 1: The decision came down yesterday, But before that, I was

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Speaker 5: Do you know, did you guys know why he was out?

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Speaker 5: Did you know why he was out?

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Speaker 2: We're being told heard that. Yeah, we're being told May

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Speaker 2: thirty first might have been the day. Okay, okay, So

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Speaker 3: But my question is is this something we're going to

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Speaker 3: see more often and not only in baseball but in

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Speaker 5: Because this is crazy.

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Speaker 3: Remember the NBA thing where they had the guy that

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Speaker 3: was betting on games. I know Hoberg pat said he

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Speaker 3: this whole deal. But with gambling sites everywhere, we're in it. Right,

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Speaker 3: this is something we need to stop. How does Major

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Speaker 3: League Baseball stop this? Other sports stop this? And what's

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Speaker 1: Actually, it's a good question, AJ because certainly the proliferation

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Speaker 1: cooperation of the professional sports leagues, right, so I would

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Speaker 1: imagine and this might be worth something that we should

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Speaker 1: look into. Maybe something we should look into there has

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Speaker 1: been an increase in security by Major League Baseball and

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Speaker 1: the other leagues to monitor these kinds of things, to

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Speaker 1: make sure the umpires and players are not involved in

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Speaker 1: situations like the one Hoberg was involved in. I don't

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Speaker 1: reason that because of this all being so legal now,

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Speaker 1: so vulnerable to it, Yeah, you'd want increased security, You'd

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Speaker 1: want an increased presence, you'd want increased investigations. And you

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Speaker 1: asked if we will see more of this? I suspect

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Speaker 1: we will see more of this because there are people

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Speaker 2: I still want to come in here with my point

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Speaker 2: on regulation, too, Ken, because I think people are living

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Speaker 2: coming more so to the forefront is because it's trackable now.

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Speaker 2: Pat was using apps that could be tracked. In the past,

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Speaker 2: Pat would be doing the same thing with his buddy.

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Speaker 2: They would just be doing it on the Cayman Islands

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Speaker 2: account that everyone was using when I was grown up right,

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Speaker 2: or name that random other island where this was all

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Speaker 2: want to make sure I'm firm on that point, because

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Speaker 2: I do think the regulation is putting this more at

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Speaker 2: the forefront of the news and also catching the offenders,

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Speaker 2: which we didn't do well for a long time. To

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Speaker 1: Scott. That's a great point, and I just went back

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Speaker 1: aj and checked that story. We did report at the

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Speaker 1: it was in mid June. So yes, this is something

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Speaker 1: that obviously can be traced much more easily than in

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Speaker 1: the past because of just what you said, Scott, that's

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Speaker 1: exactly how Hoberg got caught, and what happened there was

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Speaker 1: I don't know where this is going long term, but

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Speaker 1: I do expect we're going to see this from time

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Speaker 4: We can ever figure out the mystery of San Diego,

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Speaker 1: What exactly they're doing? And it's not clear because they

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Speaker 4: Put it that way, The Royals tried to add more

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Speaker 1: Do right, absolutely aj And granted, sometimes funky things happen

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Speaker 1: I remember the Iron Judge negotiations. There was a lot

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Speaker 1: like that. Obviously, if the money from someone else is

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Speaker 1: sure it's happened. I can't imagine it. This has not happen. Happened,

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Speaker 2: Also, if you want the player badly enough, you make

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Speaker 2: But it is what it is. That's how these front

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Speaker 1: Actually, Scott, let me make a point on that, because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not great business. Hey, we don't love you

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Speaker 2: Baseball Perspective Pakota Actions, shall we you want to go

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Speaker 2: division by division? Let's do it dealer's choice as in

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Speaker 2: the Notorious Jeremy behind the scenes. You get to tell

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Speaker 4: I America last, Yeah, Red, go ahead and switch it now, Jared,

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Speaker 2: Yea all right, And I gotta make sure I'm giving

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Speaker 2: eighty nine point seven? Are you guys cool if I

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Speaker 2: just round up so like Yankees ninety wins Orioles eighty

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Speaker 2: Red Sox seventy nine wins, with a fourteen point seven

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Speaker 5: I think the Red Sox should be higher.

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Speaker 3: I'm flipping the O's and the Yanks. I really think

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Speaker 4: Again. I think it's really I mean, what are we

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Speaker 3: If the Red Sox get a full healthy year out

434
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Speaker 3: of Trevor Story, that'd be a major upgrade for their defense.

435
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Speaker 3: If they can stick Jaron D. Ransomwhere they can figure out,

436
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 3: you know, the outfield with who they put where. You know,

437
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,400
Speaker 3: Bray is a goal glover and right, so they kind

438
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 3: of have that. I think a full healthy year out

439
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 3: of Tristan Casses and I think their defense automatically approves.

440
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 3: They become a better team.

441
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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's the one. That's the one though where

442
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 2: Red Sox fans are like, wait, did we get better

443
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 2: or not? We overachieved last year. So let's see. That's

444
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 2: the interesting one for me. Next up and l least

445
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Speaker 2: Braves ninety two wins, Met eighty nine wins, Phillies eighty

446
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Speaker 2: eight wins, National seventy four wins, Marlins sixty two wins,

447
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Speaker 2: Crats eighty eight wins for the Phillies.

448
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Speaker 4: I mean, let's put it this way. If the Mets

449
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Speaker 4: finish above the Phillies, it's because of what's happened the

450
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Speaker 4: last two years. The Mets really just they dominate the

451
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Speaker 4: Phillies in the sense that like they know how to

452
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Speaker 4: pitch them. That showed in the playoffs in twenty three. No, yeah,

453
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Speaker 4: in twenty three when the Braves, when when they beat

454
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Speaker 4: the Braves, the Phillies beat the Braves and the Mets

455
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Speaker 4: ended up losing like that was a team that they

456
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Speaker 4: didn't want to that they didn't want to see or

457
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Speaker 4: maybe no, I'm sorry, not twenty three. In twenty In

458
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 4: twenty two, when the Phillies went to the World Series,

459
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 4: they couldn't figure out the Mets. So, yeah, the Mets

460
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 4: could finish above. I still think the Braves are the

461
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 4: team to beat in this division. I just feel like

462
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 4: they have so much depth. So could it be a race.

463
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Speaker 4: I think the Phillies are over over the Mets. I

464
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Speaker 4: think they take them by like two or three games.

465
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Speaker 4: But okay, I'm I'm not totally homer that I can't

466
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Speaker 4: see this happening.

467
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Speaker 2: And the real thing AJ they have those three bunched

468
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: up together, which I think most people anticipate.

469
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Speaker 3: Yeah, my thing is Miami a hunter losses take the

470
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Speaker 3: under take. The under take.

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Speaker 5: The under well can counter that.

472
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Speaker 2: They They're always going to be ultra conservative on the

473
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Speaker 2: high and the low. That's like part of their projection model.

474
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Speaker 2: So they're not going to give teams, you know, one

475
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Speaker 2: hundred eight wins. They're not going to get teams one

476
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: hundred yet losses.

477
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Speaker 5: I know.

478
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Speaker 3: But Miami take over. Sorry when I said take the

479
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 3: endnament under on the wins over on the losses, yep,

480
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 3: because they're in a tough division and they haven't signed anybody.

481
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 3: If anything, they've gotten rid of their whole team. So

482
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Speaker 3: I think Washington will win more than seventy four. I

483
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 3: think they're going to be closer to five hundred, which

484
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 3: is going to come down to Atlanta, New York and

485
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 3: Philly who probably plays best against Miami and Washington to

486
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Speaker 3: win this division.

487
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Speaker 5: I like these I think Philly. I still like Philly though.

488
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Speaker 3: I think Philly if they play up to their potential

489
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 3: again where you talk about ifs, I think they're right there.

490
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if I trust Atlanta's rotation. You know,

491
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 3: with the way it is, you need to stay healthy

492
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 3: again if they stay healthy, and for the Mets, you know,

493
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 3: you need a healthy Singa. You need Manaia to have

494
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Speaker 3: a year like he had last year.

495
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Speaker 2: You need.

496
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Speaker 3: Play homes. Is he going to be a starter. I

497
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 3: just think that you know it's Pete Alonso going to

498
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: come back. There's a lot of question marks still there,

499
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 3: but I think Philly.

500
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Speaker 5: For some reason.

501
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Speaker 3: I'm not going Amocrats homersh but I think Philly still

502
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 3: has enough to possibly win this division. Now, do I

503
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 3: think the Braves and Mets can get in one hundred percent?

504
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Philly's got to be higher.

505
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Speaker 1: For me.

506
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Speaker 2: I think that's gonna be a really good regular season team,

507
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: just like they were last year. NL West is next.

508
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 2: I mean, this is like really going forward for Pacoda.

509
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 2: One hundred and four wins for the Dodgers and a

510
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: ninety nine point two percent chance of making the playoffs,

511
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: ninety six percent chance of winning the division. They've got

512
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 2: eighty seven wins for the Diamondbacks, eighty two wins for

513
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: the Padres, seventy eight wins for the Giants, and fifty

514
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: six wins for the Rockies. AJ, how did they do there?

515
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: That tracks?

516
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: For me?

517
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: I think it all crushes. I don't know if playoff

518
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 3: percentage for the Dodgers has got to be higher. I

519
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 3: don't know how what the point eight percent is. I

520
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: don't know what can happen, Like what can happen? Freeman

521
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 3: Betts Smith Muncie show, Hey all get hurt and missed

522
00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 3: the year. Yamamoto, Glass, now Snell, Suzaki all missed the year.

523
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: Like how I just don't still have more the playoffs,

524
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. They still have more guys coming.

525
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: I just don't know how they don't make the playoffs.

526
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 5: So yeah, other not.

527
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 3: I think the number, you know, you can you can

528
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 3: argue semantics, but I think the.

529
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Speaker 5: Way they set them up is pretty close to how

530
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 5: it's gonna be. I need to see that again.

531
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 4: I think if Jerry mind putting that throwing that back

532
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 4: up there. I feel like there's something about the way

533
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 4: that Diamondbacks lost last year and just the team just

534
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 4: being pissed off about it. Like I feel like the

535
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,959
Speaker 4: Diamondbacks could go over ninety wins. I know that's I

536
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 4: know that's high. The team's never done that, but the

537
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 4: ad the ads that they have, and the the age

538
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 4: of their elite MVP caliber players in Corbyn Carroll in

539
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 4: Ktel Martet, just feel like this could be a big

540
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 4: year for Diamondbacks. In no way relaxed Dodgers fans, you know,

541
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 4: am I saying that Diamondbacks are taking the Dodgers spot

542
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 4: in the division. I'm just saying, I think I think

543
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 4: that's I think that's low. And we talked about that

544
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 4: it's low or a little high for some teams, but

545
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 4: it's I like them for ninety.

546
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: Let's do one more al central under for the whole division.

547
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: They've got the Twins winning the division eighty six wins.

548
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 2: They've got the Royals at eighty one wins and a

549
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: thirty one percent chance of making the playoffs thirty two.

550
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 2: If we're getting the decimal to go up Cleveland at

551
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: eighty wins, Detroit at eighty wins, and the White Sox

552
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: at sixty two wins. Age, I know you want to

553
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 2: tell the world that the White Tacks are going to

554
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 2: lose more games. Were with you, But do you feel

555
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 2: like they're not giving enough credit to the rest of

556
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: the division.

557
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: Yes, one hundred percent. I feel like these they're not.

558
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 3: And I also this reminds me of the Cardinals last year.

559
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: Remember the Pakoda came out in the car were favored

560
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: to win the division. We saw how that went. So

561
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 3: for the Twins, yes, they they added Danny calum and

562
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 3: he's a nice pitcher, but they haven't added any starters.

563
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 3: They haven't added any offense. And again we keep talking

564
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 3: about if if Royce Lewis stays healthy, if Bryan and

565
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: Buckson stays healthy, if Edward Julian figures it out, if

566
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 3: Carlos Korea can be healthy, if Ryan Jeffers is good

567
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 3: Ryan Jeffers, if this guy, if this guy, if this guy.

568
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 5: It's like there's a lot of ifs.

569
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Speaker 3: Whereas the Royals made the playoffs last year, the Tigers

570
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 3: made the playoffs last year, brought back Jack Flaherty, added

571
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: some other pieces. The Royals added pieces. They made the

572
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 3: playoffs last year. The Guardians won this division and they

573
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: added some pieces. Now I know they lost Naylor, but

574
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: they made some other moves and they're getting some guys,

575
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: some starting pitchers back, So I just don't know. I

576
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 3: feel like they're underving the three teams in the middle

577
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 3: there that actually made the playoffs and the Twins who

578
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 3: missed the playoffs.

579
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 4: It reminds me the Cardinals from last year. The Cardinals.

580
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: The Cardinals, I think we all hit well. I guess

581
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 4: somebody picked the Cardinals and the wins division, but you know,

582
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 4: I think we all saw that they just had lack

583
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 4: of starting pitching. I think This comes down to exactly

584
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 4: what you said. Aja other teams in that three. Obviously

585
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 4: the White Sox didn't do anything, but those three teams,

586
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 4: Kansas City, Cleveland, and Detroit tried to upgrade their team,

587
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 4: and I think in different ways they did. I think

588
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 4: Detroit added a little bit of bullpen. They brought back flarity,

589
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 4: so maybe a whole season of flarity gives them that

590
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 4: same bump. Again, Minnesota hasn't added anybody. They haven't added anybody,

591
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 4: and yeah we've heard that they've tried to add starting pitching.

592
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 4: But if you only go three deep when you're starting pitching,

593
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 4: you're gonna have a tough time consistently winning. And what

594
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 4: happens when you get tired, Oh you fade down the stretch.

595
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 4: Even the best bullpens fade down the stretch.

596
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 5: Like they did.

597
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 4: So to me, I'm not putting Minnesota all the way

598
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 4: at the bottom, but I feel like those three teams

599
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 4: leapfroged Minnesota. So it's going to be another great year

600
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 4: in the AL Central.

601
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: Here's what I'm gonna say, if we show those standings again,

602
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: you don't think one signing can affect the ALE Central.

603
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: If one team goes out and makes some move. There's

604
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: four teams basically within five games of each other, six

605
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: games of each other, four of the five, one big signing,

606
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 3: one big move. Let's say Detroit goes against Alex Pregman,

607
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: right boom, that can give them two or three extra

608
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: wins possibly that could win them the division.

609
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 5: Right.

610
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 3: It just shows you that if these teams are willing

611
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: to make that move that can put them over the top,

612
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: you can win this division.

613
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 5: It is every year. It is a winnable division for

614
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 5: whoever makes the right moves.

615
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: Hey for that projection system which clearly likes war and

616
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: wins above replacement. If you had Alex Pregman, I mean

617
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: even last year, which was an okay year, he was

618
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: a four win player. You know, he's consistently a four

619
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: to five win player and his prime, if you think

620
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: he can get back close to it, it's a seven eight,

621
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: nine win player. So even if you split that difference, yes,

622
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Speaker 2: I mean you could very much get a banger season

623
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 2: from Bragmant and Habit. Make the difference