1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio, and. 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 2: We're back, George nor with you. Heidi Hollis has been 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: investigating and brings us a certain peculiar bridge between upology, 4 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: the paranormal, and the spiritual world. How do you embarks 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 2: on the paranormal on a daily basis? Has written a 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: number of books on a variety of phenomena, touching on 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: cryptozoology to natural encounters. Archived episodes of Heidi's podcast Stark 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: Becomes Light can be found on the Coast to Coast 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. And as I mentioned, she's the 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: one who coined the phrase shadow person. Heidi, how did 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 2: you do that? 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 3: Hey there, George, It's always a pleasure to get to 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 3: connect with you. You know. It was just a term 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 3: that I'd come up with because I got tired of 15 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 3: always referencing you know, this looks like this or looks 16 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 3: like that. When I would talk to my friends, I 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 3: just gave them that term, and just so everything gets 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 3: funnel underneath that, so I didn't have to always repeat myself. 19 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 3: So shadow people just seemed to fit, though I saw 20 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 3: them in all sorts of forms. From shadow people to 21 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 3: shadow cats, shadow cloud shadow streaks, and head and shoulder 22 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: shadow is another form that I'd seen him, and I honestly, 23 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 3: when I first started talking about the hat Man, I 24 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 3: called him the hat Man shadow. But you know, and 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 3: over the years of talking to you, I changed that 26 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: because he is something very different. 27 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: Is he evil? 28 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 3: The evil part of this, Oh, hat Man is absolutely 29 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 3: the force behind a lot of what goes on when 30 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 3: it comes to the shadow people phenomena and other phenomenon. 31 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: He directs all of it. And it sounds so peculiar 32 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 3: and so far fetched, but ultimately he is truly a 33 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 3: puppet master of sorts. And it took me a while 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: to come forward to say he's not just a shadow being. 35 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: Yes he could hide in the shallows, Yes he could 36 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 3: blend in with the shadows, but he could step out 37 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 3: from the shadows. And you can see his clothing. You 38 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 3: could see so much, so many details. And you know, 39 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 3: some people say he's clean shave, and some say he 40 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 3: has a goatee. Sometimes people see glowing red eyes, sometimes 41 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: no eyes, other times solid black eyes. So absolutely a 42 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 3: puppet master of a lot of darkness going on out there. 43 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 3: And took it upon myself to warn the world about it. 44 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: When people see this entity hiding in what form or 45 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: fashion do they see that? 46 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 3: You know, oftentimes he is at a distance at the 47 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 3: end of somebody's bed, and people can make out a form. 48 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: They might see you have a trench coat or a 49 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 3: three piece suit, sometimes a cape, sometimes a gaucho type 50 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 3: hat or a top hat or no hat. But the 51 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: similar presence is menacing presence, and God forbid you get 52 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: a good look at his face and see his smile, 53 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 3: because it's it's something that people will never forget. It's 54 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 3: very jagged. Not even a sharp teeth would be pleasant, 55 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 3: if you can imagine, just like almost like pointed finger 56 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 3: like projectile teeth that crowd in and looks as if 57 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 3: we're shredding, just just disgusting, and his smile goes ear 58 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: to ear much like the Joker, and just hideous, just hideous, 59 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 3: and just one look, one look, people dread for the 60 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: rest of their days that they will ever see him again. 61 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 3: And you know, sometimes it's interesting to me because a 62 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 3: lot of times people will see him peering in at 63 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: somebody else, looking at somebody else, and he'll feel their 64 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 3: eyes watching and glance their way and then boom, they've 65 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: got a hat man problem because when he knows you 66 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: can see him, he likes to get a closer look 67 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: at you and see why you can. 68 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: See him, what materializes the shadows. 69 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of different reasons, a lot 70 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: of different things that can attract him. A lot of 71 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 3: people are like, you know, did I do something awful? 72 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 3: Why did this thing come? And it's like, you know, 73 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: nine times out of ten people kind of get an 74 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 3: inkling as to why, and they'll go when they write 75 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: me and they tell me, you know, I used to 76 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: I used to do a lot of drugs, or I'm alcoholic, 77 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 3: or I used to you know, play with the wis aboard. 78 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 3: I mean, like people will know if there's something that 79 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: they did. But I'm telling you, most of the time 80 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: people didn't do anything wrong. They are absolutely gifted in 81 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: a way that gets him to pay attention. And I 82 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 3: mean gifted, like maybe they pay attention more to their 83 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: sixth sense, you know, maybe they're an artist and they 84 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 3: pay attention to details and nature more. It seems like 85 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: these people who have this extra sensory or paying attention 86 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 3: to their sensory, if he really hones in on that 87 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 3: and why that is It is because mankind is evolving. 88 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: We have different abilities, and there's some of us that 89 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 3: are a little bit more keen to our abilities, and 90 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 3: he does not want to see mankind evolve. And if 91 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 3: we can warn the next person, watch out. There's something 92 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 3: on your shoulder and it looks like a shadow being 93 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 3: or a negative alien being or something along those lines. 94 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 3: He wants to stomp out your potential to grow into 95 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 3: who you could really be and what mankind could really 96 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 3: turn out to be. 97 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: Ivy has it ever? Anybody? 98 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: Anybody? Oh, you know, I'm telling you people are hesitant 99 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: to say some of the worst details. But of course, uh, 100 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 3: shadow people creeping up on you in the middle of 101 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 3: the night. I'm sure it's caused more than one person 102 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 3: to go into the cardiac arrest. Unfortunately. You know a 103 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 3: lot of people have been frightened into seizures. Uh. Sometimes 104 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 3: they've been attacked, physically choked, scratched, bitten, absolutely beat up. 105 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 3: And I'm talking about shadow people to the hat man 106 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: and and and uh, you know, especially violated. Honestly, it's 107 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 3: just there's a lot, there's a lot that that takes place, 108 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 3: and the similar patterns happen with negative alien beings, which 109 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 3: kind of goes into part of what I want to 110 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: talk about tonight with you know, where's this connecting factor 111 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 3: between shadow people, hat Man and alien beings. They have 112 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: a similar mo where they like to paralyze you, you know, 113 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: and then and then go, oh, I got to Now 114 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 3: you're paralyzed, you can't do anything about it, and inflict 115 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 3: horrible nightmares or visions and make a person feel absolutely 116 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: vulnerable and put them in the worst case scenario. And 117 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: shadow people hat Man seeing right alongside of abducting type 118 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: alien beings like the Grays, but also other horrific things 119 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: like the grim reaper looking being, the hooded looking alien 120 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 3: beings that have a glowing little round red eyes, and 121 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: I mean there's just the Hag. Also, the Hag that's 122 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 3: another common one that's seen right alongside of hat Man 123 00:07:55,560 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 3: and shadow people. So there's this there's this connection of 124 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: this darkness that you don't have to be able to 125 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 3: see it to know that it's there. And unfortunately a 126 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 3: lot of people are being deceived about why these things 127 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 3: are there. You know, people feel like, oh, well, I've 128 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 3: seen this hat Man since I was a kid, so 129 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 3: he's obviously protecting me. You know he's a guardian and 130 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: or I'm not afraid, you know when he comes around, 131 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 3: so obviously he's not that horrible. And these things are 132 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: really patient. They're studying you, they're trying to find a 133 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: way in. And I just like to tell people it's 134 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: like there's an absence of light around them and you 135 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 3: can feel them so much that you'll wake up to them, 136 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 3: because you could feel some things in the room and 137 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 3: it's not not a pleasant, fuzzy feeling, you know. And 138 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: it's like, take a hint. If this is what a 139 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 3: guardian angel looks like, I'm heading for the hills, Like, 140 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 3: come on now, guys, we can do better than a 141 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 3: man in a black cape with jagged teeth. And yeah, 142 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 3: you know, it's crazy to me how this momentum has 143 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: grown and people making a joke of this absolutely demonic 144 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 3: force and then hat Man, who has revealed to so 145 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 3: many people that he is the devil himself. You believe that, 146 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 3: you know, I really do tend to believe that. I do. 147 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 3: I think that there are other things now appearing as 148 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: him taking on this form with the hat and the cape. 149 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: You know, I've heard of reptilians doing this now, and 150 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 3: you know, I've always said, there's a reason why this 151 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 3: hat man doesn't change up so much, like he didn't 152 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 3: wear anything, But no, he wants to be recognized to 153 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: be this guy in his hat. And it's almost like 154 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 3: he wanted a sense of respect, a fearful respect given 155 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 3: to him just by a glance alone, you know. And 156 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 3: now things are taking on this a similar form or 157 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 3: similar outfit. So I'm suspicious that they realized that the fear, 158 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 3: fearful respect that being driven out there on this this 159 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: entity that they're they're mimicking, you know, this whole thing. 160 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 3: So there are other types that will look like hat Man, 161 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 3: but there is really only one. 162 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: Where did they originate from? 163 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 3: Ready? You know, way back when when I had my 164 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 3: own UFO group called ufo to u dot com, it 165 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 3: was interesting to me. It's like to hear I had 166 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 3: positive alien interaction with my college roommate, and it was 167 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: with a being I never heard of before. It kind 168 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 3: of looked like a gray, but it wasn't. It looked 169 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: more like a small child, rounded features, pinkish flesh's skin 170 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 3: and whatnot, and it made itself available. My friend, who 171 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 3: was absolutely religious, was not into these topics at all. 172 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: And this being started speaking too, and then threw her 173 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 3: and I had a lot of conversations with it, but 174 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 3: it wasn't forthcoming with any answers. It was like, where 175 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 3: are you from? Where are you going? You know? What 176 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 3: is all this about? And it was just a lot 177 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 3: of blocked answers, like it would not benefit you to 178 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 3: know that, you wouldn't know where I'm at anyways, And 179 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 3: I'm like, why is this thing making itself available? It 180 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 3: showed itself. I saw it, she saw it, She's dealing 181 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 3: with it. And long story short, it wasn't until I 182 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 3: just kind of threw up my hands, like I don't 183 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 3: know what to talk about. You know, this thing is 184 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 3: making itself available? What do I say? And I started 185 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: talking about a weird dream that I had, and it 186 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 3: was about the Moon being brought close to the planet. 187 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 3: Looked like it was going to crash against the planet, 188 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: but a UFO showed up and steered it off course. 189 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 3: And I just shared the dream to this being and 190 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: it said, well, I'll tell you what happened. The darkness 191 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 3: in your planet was pulling the Moon towards it, and 192 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 3: we showed up and steered the moon away. You called 193 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 3: the dark force shadow people, we call them shadows, and 194 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: essentially revealed that this just happens to be the next 195 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 3: planet in the line that this dark force is taking over. 196 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 3: It's not the first planet that doesn't. 197 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 2: Happen to Could they be ghostly apparitions? 198 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 3: Interdimensional? Absolutely? Interdimensional? So do they affect ghosts? Oh? Yes, absolutely, 199 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 3: they have a lot of control over that. Can they 200 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 3: affect other alien beings? That is a big portion of 201 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: what I wrote about in my first book called The 202 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: Secret War, about these alien alien beings being essentially possessed. 203 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 3: If you can imagine an alien has a soul, imagine 204 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 3: them having this this vulnerability of being possessed by a 205 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 3: dark force, this shadow being forced. This the shadows of 206 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 3: these other alien beings would call them. And you know, 207 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 3: and it's so strange because I remember back in the 208 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 3: day when people will talk about Ashtar Command or something, 209 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 3: you know, and this, you know, intergalactic force of beings 210 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 3: out there that are monitoring the universe. And I'm like, 211 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 3: this sounds like Star Trek, you know, like what is that? 212 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 3: But this positive being that I was in touch with, 213 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 3: he said there was essentially a more positive force of planets, 214 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 3: of beings who don't like this infiltrating darker force, Like 215 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 3: there was a dark force that they pulled their energy from, 216 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 3: the shadow beings and hat Man and whatnot, and they 217 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 3: were absolutely opposing forces. And you know, I at the 218 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 3: time I was in college, I wasn't going to church 219 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 3: or anything like that. I was raised Christian, but I 220 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: surely wasn't into the topic at all. And I'm like, 221 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 3: hold on, hold on, are you telling me that there 222 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 3: is a battle between good and e who out there? 223 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: You know, this thing is so odd and absolutely there is. 224 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 3: And to see it with my own eyes and just 225 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 3: hell have a talk about a crash course and a 226 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 3: lot of strange things. But I had so many personal 227 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 3: revelations that I couldn't question my own eyeballs. Like I 228 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 3: get so many people who write me like, oh I 229 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 3: thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. I'm like, 230 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 3: hold on, those are the same eyeballs that get you 231 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 3: back and forth to work every day. You could trust 232 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: them to drive. I think we can trust our own 233 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 3: wish about this. You know these things going on, you 234 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 3: know it's it's real. I know what happened, I know 235 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 3: what I experienced, and I couldn't doubt it. Anymore. And 236 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 3: and then I, you know, things really just got so 237 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 3: much more interesting after understanding this battle. And you know, 238 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 3: I've never been successfully hypnotized to recall something, you know, 239 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 3: but George, I'm telling you I've had like spontaneous recollections 240 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 3: that just before being born here agreeing to come here 241 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 3: to talk about this dark threat and preparing people against it. 242 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 3: And how do you fight against a dark threat that's 243 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: inner dimensional. I could walk through walls and be physical 244 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: and choke you out and punch through your chest and 245 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 3: rip your soul out. That's what happened. Does this is 246 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 3: what he does. It is horrible, horrible. How do you 247 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 3: get rid of him? Well, that's that's my next step 248 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: of it. You know. Again, I wasn't into a religious 249 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 3: talker anything, but I had an encounter with Jesus that 250 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 3: changed so much for me that I would not be 251 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 3: able to sit here talking to anybody about anything had 252 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 3: I not had this encounter where he literally told me, 253 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 3: and I was in college and he's like, uh, he said, 254 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 3: you need to finish writing your book. That was the 255 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 3: Secret War Book, and do not worry what other people say. 256 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 3: Know that I'll be there to give the words That's 257 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 3: what he told me. And I was extremely painfully shy 258 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 3: where I would not speak in college classes nothing. And 259 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 3: I'm a therapist, you know. It wasn't like an easy 260 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 3: college course of studies. And I was giving up grades 261 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 3: because I wouldn't speak, I wouldn't do my talks, presentation, nothing, 262 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,239 Speaker 3: And so when I would go to talk, like on 263 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 3: your show, George, I was like, look to the heavens 264 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 3: and say, you promised to give me the words that 265 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 3: I'm holding you to it because I have nothing to say. 266 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 3: And I still say it every time I got to 267 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,719 Speaker 3: do something, because I'm like the only reason I'm sitting 268 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: here is because I had that encounter with Jesus. But 269 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: I know was not an hallucination. It wasn't fake, and 270 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 3: I'd seen them more than once now and wrote a 271 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: book on it called Jesus. There's no joke on some 272 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 3: of them, some of the encounters, And now I'm writing 273 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 3: up a book too because it gets more and more interesting, George. 274 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 3: But what I'm saying to people, like some of my 275 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: good friends are Muslim, they're Jewish, and they've had experiences 276 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 3: and with dark things, and it's like, well, what do 277 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 3: I do right I'm not Christian, and I'm like, you 278 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 3: know what God is through everything? And how do you 279 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 3: reach the interdimensional dark being is to throw interdimensional light, 280 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 3: you know, from God on it. And I don't know 281 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 3: how best to say that and how uh you know? 282 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 3: Part the other bigger part is getting people to realize 283 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 3: we have a soul that's real. God is real too. 284 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 285 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam 286 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: dot com for more