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Speaker 3: And in today's episode, Matt Scott had a professionally concerned
Speaker 3: which honestly she should have been earlier.
Speaker 4: Bos I escapes by the skin of his tooth.
Speaker 3: And and Vanessa and Wilson got some saucy splaining to do.
Speaker 4: Wow, what an episode, Rosie.
Speaker 2: This show continues to be very comic bookie and silly
Speaker 2: in the way of comic bookie and soapy the way
Speaker 2: a comic book story is. And this was a very
Speaker 2: fun episode that continues with a lot of the themes
Speaker 2: and kind of tone and feel of the previous episode.
Speaker 2: And I can't wait to talk about it. So we
Speaker 2: open in Rikers, where the secure wing of Rikers, where
Speaker 2: Bullseye is pensively a lot of staring out of windows
Speaker 2: from the bad guys, and this sho we.
Speaker 3: Should do an X ray vision super cut where it's
Speaker 3: just people staring out of windows, staring out at he
Speaker 3: loves to look out of a window.
Speaker 1: He can't even he can't.
Speaker 4: I don't believe it.
Speaker 2: So you know, Bullseye's out there, he's looking out the
Speaker 2: window of his isolation cell at an inmate out there,
Speaker 2: like smelling a blue flower. And then the guards arrive
Speaker 2: and Bullseye is shackled and told you know when he's like,
Speaker 2: where am I going? You're going to general population aka
Speaker 2: gen pop or lots of inmates want to kill you.
Speaker 3: Okay, but why this is why I want to know.
Speaker 3: Why do they want to kill him?
Speaker 1: Because like he because it's like a it's like a trophy.
Speaker 3: It's like I don't know, I feel like because he's
Speaker 3: not like an ex cop or something, he would be
Speaker 3: much lower.
Speaker 1: Down on the or like fed.
Speaker 3: He okay, he was actually a fed back in the day. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they want to kill him. I understanding, Pops bad.
Speaker 2: We go to we go to Red Hook where the
Speaker 2: Fisks are strolling through the through the Fisks upcoming project
Speaker 2: Red Hook project construction site.
Speaker 1: He loves the ports.
Speaker 3: He's thinking, Nassawa, I never got the opportunity to thank
Speaker 3: you for everything you did for the organization where I was.
Speaker 1: Away, and all of this is because of you.
Speaker 2: All the funding that I was able to get was
Speaker 2: because of your ideas.
Speaker 1: And your plans.
Speaker 2: And she's like, well, you know, why'd you throw it
Speaker 2: all away to become mayor And he's like, no, you
Speaker 2: don't understand. I'm combining the office of mayor with what
Speaker 2: we were doing before to make this whole new like legal, illegal,
Speaker 2: organized crime government thing. Like it's gonna be great, and
Speaker 2: the Red Hook Project is a part of that.
Speaker 4: I also like the way that he's like, these are.
Speaker 3: Two of the most top criminals in New York and
Speaker 3: he has to explain to how, like, Babe, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of corruption in the New York Mayor's office, Like
Speaker 3: we can really be doing something. Yeah, like this is
Speaker 3: an opportunity for us.
Speaker 2: They then talk about Luca, and it is clear that
Speaker 2: Vanessa did, in fact, not that Fisk knew that Luca
Speaker 2: was coming to kill him, but she essentially seemed like
Speaker 2: set Luca up to die by sending him to where
Speaker 2: Fisk was knowing that there was no way that he
Speaker 2: would ever vibe that, Luca, I mean.
Speaker 1: And then Fiskus like, well, you know, thank you, I
Speaker 1: have something to show you.
Speaker 2: And so we wonder what that might. Then we go
Speaker 2: to uh, Heather and Matt at the apartment. Heather is
Speaker 2: obviously still struggling with the emotions from the attack and
Speaker 2: from her having to gun down Muse, and she's also like,
Speaker 2: and by the way, this is what we were right,
Speaker 2: because here is that conversation that we knew it was
Speaker 2: coming at some point where she's like, you know, the
Speaker 2: thing with these masked guys, first of all, they don't
Speaker 2: even do anything. Daredevil didn't even do it. I killed mus.
Speaker 2: Daredevil was just there running about in his little onesie
Speaker 2: pgs like a little boy. Him and Muse like a
Speaker 2: little little little boys pretending to be the superheroes or
Speaker 2: something grown men. But the acting like little boys. That's
Speaker 2: all these masked figures are. And Matt is like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but Daredevil's cool.
Speaker 4: He came in, you didn't he And She's like, I
Speaker 4: joll he.
Speaker 1: Came in, I killeds.
Speaker 4: What did he do?
Speaker 2: Then Buck shows up at the door and is like,
Speaker 2: speak to Heather please, and that gives her a letter
Speaker 2: which is congratulates her on killing must get from there,
Speaker 2: and then invites her, along with a guest plus one
Speaker 2: the inaugural Yeah to to Wilson fiskes mayor Fisk's inaugural
Speaker 2: Black and White Ball. And Matt is like, wait, how
Speaker 2: do you know Fisk? And He's like, wait a second,
Speaker 2: are you Fisk's therapist?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: Dude?
Speaker 3: They used two I just have to say, they gotta
Speaker 3: have a theyve got to have a more honest relationship
Speaker 3: between the two of them.
Speaker 4: This is she's keeping he's keeping secrets. It's bad time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's she has to do that, you know. Yeah, Ethically,
Speaker 2: she can't just talk about who her clients.
Speaker 4: If he had told her.
Speaker 3: What Fisk really was and that he was their devil,
Speaker 3: she would have been able to go into that with
Speaker 3: more context. But he kept it from her. So now
Speaker 3: she is Wilson Fist married therapist, which is incredible.
Speaker 2: You ever run into your therapist in the wild, it's
Speaker 2: the worst.
Speaker 4: You don't want to see it.
Speaker 1: You're like, it's the worst.
Speaker 2: It's just like it's happened a couple of times, and
Speaker 2: I literally just freeze up, like, oh my god. So
Speaker 2: the thing that Wilson wants to show Vanessa is Adam.
Speaker 2: Apparently Wilson at some point transported Adam to Red Hook.
Speaker 4: Is that what happened the basement?
Speaker 3: I claim back in the basement because he was, But
Speaker 3: it does feel like he's like, I got something to
Speaker 3: show you, and they're just strolling around.
Speaker 4: So I think it's wherever the basement is.
Speaker 3: I think Adam is in the basement and he's got
Speaker 3: a bid. He's looking very cast away, very Tom Hanks's
Speaker 3: looking very tough.
Speaker 1: It's very sang well for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it's really really it's very count of
Speaker 2: Monte Cristo.
Speaker 4: But before the escape.
Speaker 1: Ye, escape never happens.
Speaker 4: The escape never happens for this man.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to tell you so.
Speaker 2: Fiscus talking about how he's like, you know, every time
Speaker 2: I look at at him, his hands, his artist's hands.
Speaker 1: Oh, I becoming rang. He just starts going.
Speaker 4: He's like like, She's like, I kept my promise, Vanessa.
Speaker 4: I never killed him. I will never kill him.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, bro, but you did keep him as
Speaker 3: a Let's roll back the tape. I think there's a
Speaker 3: significant amount of space between what you promised and like.
Speaker 2: The spirit of the promise regardless. Yes, He then says,
Speaker 2: I mean this is Fisk channeling Shakespeare's Sonnets. He then says,
Speaker 2: if I can't be with you, Vanessa, I cannot.
Speaker 4: Be Wow Wow top ten MCU relationship.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Adam is like, of course, begging for his life.
Speaker 2: You know, if you let me go, I'll never tell
Speaker 2: anybody about this. Just let me out, YadA, YadA YadA.
Speaker 2: Matt and Heather, meanwhile, are continuing to argue. Matt is like, listen,
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how I know this, but Fisk
Speaker 2: is using you to get to me, which must sound
Speaker 2: insane at this point.
Speaker 3: Heaven must be so sick of this man, like he
Speaker 3: is so fuck he seems so self centered.
Speaker 4: If you don't what kind.
Speaker 1: Of main character bullshit is this? He wants me to
Speaker 1: get to you why?
Speaker 3: He's like, what do you mean the mayor? Who is
Speaker 3: my marriage therapy client? He wants to get to you.
Speaker 3: A random Moyer like what do you two have against
Speaker 3: each other?
Speaker 4: Oh? I feel like you should let her know, Matthew, yes.
Speaker 2: And then she's like, well, how is me treating the
Speaker 2: mayor like anything but a great career? Move for me,
Speaker 2: and then she's like, and if you're so worried about it,
Speaker 2: why don't you come to the ball with me?
Speaker 1: And he's like, fine, Okay, you know what, Fine, I'll go. Okay.
Speaker 3: Like she's like, she's like, please, don't come just to
Speaker 3: like fuck with the me though, and.
Speaker 4: He's like, no, I'll just come. Don't worry will happen.
Speaker 2: Back at the cage, gunshots ring out, Vanessa guns down Adam,
Speaker 2: and then Wilson Fisk bricks up. Vanessa looks at him
Speaker 2: like hearts pounding out of.
Speaker 1: Her eyes and no.
Speaker 2: For the next three hours they are engaged in the
Speaker 2: most heated coitus in front of the cage containing Adam's corpse.
Speaker 4: Dude, they were hot.
Speaker 3: These were they freaks, but you know what, they match
Speaker 3: each other's freak and I.
Speaker 4: Love as the few are. I thought this was a
Speaker 4: great twist.
Speaker 3: I wasn't one hundred percent sure where they were going
Speaker 3: to go with the reveal and whether it would break
Speaker 3: things between Vanessa and Fisk or whether it would become
Speaker 3: part of the kind of weird, flirtatious, grotesque dance.
Speaker 4: That they play.
Speaker 3: But I think it's really fun and I also love
Speaker 3: the way that this episode, like so many of the
Speaker 3: best episodes of the show, are about the reflections between
Speaker 3: Fisk and yeah, Matt and now Matt's relationship with Heather
Speaker 3: and Fisk's relationship with Vanessa, and I like that, Like
Speaker 3: Matt and Heather are still in the withholding phase, but
Speaker 3: there is like, yes this, you know we're gonna go
Speaker 3: to this ball together. You can keep an eye on me,
Speaker 3: like we can see what's going to happen. But Fisk
Speaker 3: and Minessa is so far ahead that they're at They're
Speaker 3: like murdering their enemies and fucking in the blood stage,
Speaker 3: and you're just like, you know what, Matt and Heather,
Speaker 3: you're doing okay? In the grand scheam of things, Like
Speaker 3: in the Grand Schemer.
Speaker 2: Matt is late to the office as usual. I mean,
Speaker 2: just be happy this guy went to work today.
Speaker 4: Has he ever gone to work? I bus said, how
Speaker 4: much has he clocked in? I'm like, get Charlie Cox
Speaker 4: on the phone.
Speaker 2: We need to know he's gotta go. He's gotta be
Speaker 2: there three hours a week max.
Speaker 3: He is no work, like just like help one client, bro,
Speaker 3: like one client please please?
Speaker 1: He goes in.
Speaker 2: Kirsten is like, where the fuck have you been. Why
Speaker 2: are you all beat up? What's going on? She then
Speaker 2: like updates him on a case that's going on there.
Speaker 2: The other the law firm that they're arguing against is
Speaker 2: withholding discovery evidence and financial statements. Doesn't want them to
Speaker 2: look at them. Christen then is like, listen, I also
Speaker 2: have some other news and I don't want you to
Speaker 2: fucking flip out, but you're going to flip out. He's
Speaker 2: like what Bullseye is moved to gen Pop. He's like, wait,
Speaker 2: why would they do that? And then she drops the
Speaker 2: hammer because Wilson Fisk apparently the mayor demanded that he
Speaker 2: go to gen Pop.
Speaker 1: Oh, no, one knows.
Speaker 2: Let's go to a quick ad break and then we'll
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Speaker 1: And we're back.
Speaker 2: So man Is Matt is upset about the fact that
Speaker 2: Bulls has been moved to jen Pop, but what does
Speaker 2: it mean? Meanwhile, Fisk is in his office, he meets
Speaker 2: with his team. Sheila is like, Mayor Fisk, it's time
Speaker 2: to start getting the money together. I need you at
Speaker 2: some campaign events today. But Fisk is, this is a
Speaker 2: crazy move from Fisk. He then goes down. He's not
Speaker 2: cancel all by cancel all by campaign boy butts today
Speaker 2: we celebrate our successes.
Speaker 3: What he's just done that he's gotten the glow, the
Speaker 3: off the glow. He's like feeling yeah right, He's like,
Speaker 3: I want to have a party where I can dance
Speaker 3: with my wife who killed her boyfriend just for me.
Speaker 4: That's what we're doing today, guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that is so true. That's got to be.
Speaker 2: I mean, Daniel must be like, hey, boss, you're really
Speaker 2: glowing today. Boss, you're looking good about you. You look good,
Speaker 2: you look look you were fifteen pounds today.
Speaker 4: He claims. He's like Vigili Lanty crime is down thirty percent.
Speaker 4: What does that even mean?
Speaker 3: I will say, look, if I have one critique show, yeah,
Speaker 3: just like the out of the three fucking vigilantes they
Speaker 3: have on this show, I will say I think that
Speaker 3: is the only thing that I would say this show.
Speaker 4: You can sense his missing from whatever the recuts. I
Speaker 4: love most of this show.
Speaker 3: I think for me, it has been just a step
Speaker 3: above what I was expecting. And the writing is fantastic
Speaker 3: that obviously the acting is incredible, but I do think
Speaker 3: the vigilante crime but like we're barely seeing any vigilantes
Speaker 3: is quite hilarious.
Speaker 4: So I like that. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3: Read He's like Vigilanti crimes down, muses dead White, Tiger's dead,
Speaker 3: only like one more to.
Speaker 1: Go, let's party. This is a successful quarter for us.
Speaker 2: Then he shocks everyone by naming Daniel Deputy Mayor of Communications. Sheila,
Speaker 2: who's been in politics like thirty years or whatever, is
Speaker 2: like what this is and she does the move where
Speaker 2: she's like, Daniel, no offense and turns to physically like
Speaker 2: and it's like Daniel can't do.
Speaker 4: This, eating alive.
Speaker 3: But the city council burke like, come on, but this
Speaker 3: is also again I think we were talking on our
Speaker 3: Prestige TV episode and what is Prestige TV?
Speaker 4: And what era are we in.
Speaker 3: About how there is this kind of delayed response to
Speaker 3: real life situations like the pit being a response to
Speaker 3: COVID and it coming out now. But this show with
Speaker 3: the Daniel character managed to presciently look at what it's
Speaker 3: like when a high power politician just fills his ranks
Speaker 3: with a bunch of people who have never done a
Speaker 3: job before.
Speaker 4: And guess what it actually is?
Speaker 3: This easy, It is this easy to just put a
Speaker 3: siven and be like, hey, this guy likes me.
Speaker 4: He's in charge now.
Speaker 2: He's the In fact, Daniel isn't just a young and
Speaker 2: eager lieutenant, he.
Speaker 1: Is he's the future of the city. What the fuck
Speaker 1: does that means?
Speaker 3: Like some creepy I guess his dream is like white
Speaker 3: Mafiosa esque Maga kids are gonna be the next big thing, sure, bro.
Speaker 2: Daniel then like drops to his knees and kissing the
Speaker 2: boot ring and yeah, boot kissing the boot pledging everlasting
Speaker 2: loyalty to Wilson, which we've heard that before.
Speaker 1: We got it, Daniel, I'll burn festival.
Speaker 3: Is that some kind of foreshadowing that he's gonna get
Speaker 3: burnt alive?
Speaker 4: I think his season comes to the end.
Speaker 2: I feel like I like him getting killed or or
Speaker 2: or you know, hideously burned.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We go back to Eminem and Matt hates his client.
Speaker 1: He's Matt's.
Speaker 2: This client that they have that paid them good money
Speaker 2: is a piece of shit, apparently, and Matt just doesn't
Speaker 2: take He's been sitting in on this deposition or meeting
Speaker 2: or whatever it is for like ten minutes and he's already.
Speaker 3: That Kirston's obviously done prepping this guy.
Speaker 2: He's getting very frustrated at having to be at his
Speaker 2: job for like close to thirty minutes, and he's starting
Speaker 2: to like get really annoyed. He can tell the guy
Speaker 2: is lying about like defrauding New York City teachers.
Speaker 1: So matt flips.
Speaker 2: Out and he's like, well, I'll have you know that,
Speaker 2: according to Law Code two oh five dash A, lawyers
Speaker 2: can't knowingly perjure themselves.
Speaker 1: And he's like, what are you talking about? It's like
Speaker 1: you're lying.
Speaker 2: And if I know you're lying, how can I go
Speaker 2: up there in court and argue what I know to
Speaker 2: be lies?
Speaker 1: And Christ is like, no, what are you talking about?
Speaker 4: Not on law?
Speaker 3: Like this weird idea that there's some kind of law
Speaker 3: that a lawyer like can't represent ala. No, then all,
Speaker 3: like all court cases would be stopped because one side
Speaker 3: is not telling the truth, Matthew. And also, I don't
Speaker 3: think it's like a MISSI ballink caught that. He's like, well,
Speaker 3: I could hear with my super his heartbeat.
Speaker 4: Maybe you just stressed him out because you look, I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna lie. This guy clearly did steal the money.
Speaker 3: And he also then mentions that his mom is a teacher,
Speaker 3: his sister is a teacher. His wife's a teacher, so
Speaker 3: he stole it because he knew how to steal it.
Speaker 3: He is a scumbag, But Matthew, just generally you can't
Speaker 3: walk into a room and start yelling at someone and no,
Speaker 3: I expect that you don't know what's going on.
Speaker 4: Why was he Maybe he was defording it for a
Speaker 4: good reason. Why don't you ask him?
Speaker 2: All I know is, Matt, you don't come to work,
Speaker 2: and when you come into work, you shit on our
Speaker 2: paying clients and then walk away. So Christian is like,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? I'm worried about your acting
Speaker 2: fucking crazy, and then Matt says some overwrought shit like
Speaker 2: this is also feudle, like fighting for law and.
Speaker 1: Justice, and then he leaves and he's probably been at
Speaker 1: work for forty.
Speaker 3: Five mates Max Max before leaving. I look, I am
Speaker 3: a kissed in mcduffy fan. I like this character. I
Speaker 3: want to see her in more. I don't think she's
Speaker 3: just a Karen replacement. I think she's a or a
Speaker 3: Foggy replacement. I think she's an interesting character I want
Speaker 3: to know more about. But also guys like, let me
Speaker 3: know more about her and also have her just tell
Speaker 3: Matt to go fuck himself, like she's running this law
Speaker 3: firm by herself. She doesn't need him or Cherry. He
Speaker 3: needs to just go on to I mean, with the
Speaker 3: spoiler earmuffs if you don't like tear about leaks, but
Speaker 3: with the suit leaks that we have seen coming up,
Speaker 3: we can assume that this season is gonna end with
Speaker 3: Matt being out on the outs by himself, maybe faked
Speaker 3: his own death, maybe something like that, or at least
Speaker 3: that's where season two will find him because he's wearing
Speaker 3: the black suit. So I would be interested to see
Speaker 3: if she interest does boot him out, but we'll see
Speaker 3: she should because he is annoying as hell when it
Speaker 3: comes to his job.
Speaker 2: Matt then goes to a neighborhood favorite, Josie's Bar, which
Speaker 2: has not reopened since Bull's Eye violent.
Speaker 1: Killed Foggy and yes inside the bar, but.
Speaker 2: Josie is there just hanging out, just drinking, and so
Speaker 2: Matt is like day drinking with Josie.
Speaker 1: Cherry arrives.
Speaker 2: Kirsten sent him to keep track of Matt because she
Speaker 2: was probably like Cherry, Matt's acting like a wild man,
Speaker 2: you gotta go.
Speaker 4: And he's like he's probably day drinking instead of being.
Speaker 1: A US, which is true, and.
Speaker 2: Matt starts to think, you know, there's something else going
Speaker 2: on because the you know, with Bullseye being moved and
Speaker 2: Foggy's death not really making sense, it's all connected somehow.
Speaker 2: And then it all comes together when Josie comes out
Speaker 2: with this specific bottle of Irish whiskey, Oh Melvinies and
Speaker 2: says that Foggy, this is what Foggy was drinking on
Speaker 2: the night he was killed, and this makes Matt realize
Speaker 2: that Foggy was celebrating something, some kind of break in
Speaker 2: his case that he had, and that must have been
Speaker 2: why he was killed, because he was about to win
Speaker 2: some huge case. Matt then goes to see Bullseye and
Speaker 2: writers asks bullsey if did you kill Foggy because Fisk
Speaker 2: hired you? Poindexter is just being super weird, making like
Speaker 2: various philosophical statements and saying, you know, I have questions
Speaker 2: too about like what happened, And then Matt again is like,
Speaker 2: did you kill Foggy because Fitsk hired you to?
Speaker 1: And Bullsay is like, I'll tell you, but I.
Speaker 2: Need to get out first, and then Matt's like, okay, whatever,
Speaker 2: it bashes his head into the table and leaves.
Speaker 1: We go to the Black and White Ball. Daniel is riding.
Speaker 2: High at the Black and White Ball. He sees Bebe,
Speaker 2: which continues to be one of the craziest relationships in
Speaker 2: this show.
Speaker 1: He sees Bbe, who.
Speaker 2: He clearly like, I think that there's on one level,
Speaker 2: he sees Bebe as like, we're these two young New
Speaker 2: Yorkers on the come up.
Speaker 1: You know, we're we're ascendant right now, And isn't this awesome?
Speaker 1: Isn't this cool? Like look at us?
Speaker 3: And I think in his mind he definitely imagines like, oh,
Speaker 3: she could be my Vanessa, Like look at us, We've
Speaker 3: got this connector is also he likes her.
Speaker 2: He likes you definitely, So he apologizes for pushing her
Speaker 2: to like report lies in the BB report regarding the
Speaker 2: muse in the task Force.
Speaker 1: He then tells her and by the hey.
Speaker 2: And but I'm now you're talking as a Deputy may
Speaker 2: As the coms now, it's not crazy, baby, and the
Speaker 2: kind of he's like flexing and he's like, look at
Speaker 2: us well on the way to the top, BB Yerika
Speaker 2: BB Report, I'm the Deputy may As.
Speaker 1: The power couple, look at us.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, across the across the ballroom, Jack Duquane, the Swordsman,
Speaker 2: he is talking to Artemis Sledge, the you know her
Speaker 2: and Arthur Sledge or this socialite New York, very very
Speaker 2: wealthy couple met previously, and they both supposedly hate Fisks.
Speaker 2: So Jack is like, look at us here, two people
Speaker 2: that hate fisk, Why are we here? But Artemis is
Speaker 2: like weirdly preoccupied about something. She's like clearly has a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff on her mind. She kind of wanders off,
Speaker 2: and this raises Jack's suspicions a little bit.
Speaker 1: Something's off.
Speaker 2: Heather is there looking around waiting for Matt, looking great,
Speaker 2: her hair looking great, looking wonderfully done up for this
Speaker 2: ball and she's clearly like frustrated and fuming because Matt
Speaker 2: said he would be there and he's not there. And
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, like the lights drop and
Speaker 2: you hear like the Chicago Bulls theme music, and the
Speaker 2: voice gets on that na Mare and first lady, what's
Speaker 2: that that Vanessa Fisk?
Speaker 1: And they play this crazy like.
Speaker 4: The most evil milling song of old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like sounds like it truly sounds like you're riding
Speaker 2: into Mordor with this fucking music.
Speaker 1: And let's take a quick break and come.
Speaker 3: Back in second.
Speaker 1: And we're back.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, of course, guess what Bullseye breaks out of prison?
Speaker 4: How does he do it? Though?
Speaker 3: Jay thinks this is straight from the coll mix and
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: It is really great.
Speaker 2: So apparently when Matt bashed his head, he loosened a tooth, yes,
Speaker 2: which which Bullseye then goes to the dentist to like,
Speaker 2: uh world, to the doctor to have like stitches done
Speaker 2: in his head from when he's his head bashed, But
Speaker 2: that tooth is loose, and so while he's sitting there
Speaker 2: manacled to the chair, he sucks the tooth out of
Speaker 2: his out of his h gum, I guess the gum
Speaker 2: hole which crazy suction from Ben Point Dexter didn't know
Speaker 2: he had that kind of talent as well. Then he
Speaker 2: spits the tooth into the guard's eye, blinding him and
Speaker 2: then immediately escapes, gets all like the little like scalpels
Speaker 2: and shit and just starts killing everybody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's done it, he's out. He's done it in
Speaker 4: the comics.
Speaker 3: Like in some really crazy times, like he did it
Speaker 3: in a Captain America book.
Speaker 4: He killed someone with his tooth.
Speaker 3: He's done it obviously in dat evil like this man,
Speaker 3: he loves to do a crazy killing. In fact, I
Speaker 3: was thinking today about one of the wildest parts of
Speaker 3: the law is that he.
Speaker 4: In prison, like they would have to like.
Speaker 3: Give him stool softeners so he didn't kill people with
Speaker 3: his poop, so he didn't just be pooping out bullets.
Speaker 4: Like come on, man, like this guy is a crazy guy.
Speaker 3: This is he the most overpowered guy in the Marvel
Speaker 3: universe with this tooth bullet that, by the way, killed
Speaker 3: multiple people. Okay, I do have to bring this up,
Speaker 3: big conversation in the discord.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 4: I agree with you and Joel on this now.
Speaker 3: But the disc or conversation was, did Matt Murdock know
Speaker 3: that by smashing Bullseye's face on.
Speaker 4: The table he was going to end up escaping and
Speaker 4: trying to kill fist?
Speaker 1: No way, no way he did that out of pure aim.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, simply because of the nature of
Speaker 3: how many people bulls I killed when he got out
Speaker 3: of prison, and Matt could not make that good with himself.
Speaker 4: I don't believe.
Speaker 3: But I understand why it feels ambiguous when you know
Speaker 3: bulls eye immediately says thank you, counselor, and doesn't make
Speaker 3: any you know, argument that he didn't just randomly smash
Speaker 3: his face against the table, which is what Matt.
Speaker 1: And this is just Matt out of control.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is just classic like a violence against imprison people.
Speaker 3: Matt is not new in doing this, but I do
Speaker 3: like out. I do think you make a great statement.
Speaker 3: I think Matt is out of control at this point.
Speaker 3: His session with Wilson and the death of Foggy is
Speaker 3: making him lose any kind of moral center that he had,
Speaker 3: which has always been kind of blarry for him. And
Speaker 3: I actually think it makes a very very interesting dad
Speaker 3: devil kind of interpretation. Then what we often see with
Speaker 3: the kind of guilt ridden Matt, like he will be
Speaker 3: guilty about this at some point, but right now he's
Speaker 3: just on that quest for revenge.
Speaker 1: We go back to the ball.
Speaker 2: Vanessa comes up to Heather and he's like, thank you
Speaker 2: for all your help with me and Wilson, and that
Speaker 2: was great, and they have some small talk and then
Speaker 2: she goes off, and then we look over and the music,
Speaker 2: the carmina burana like choral music starts up again, and
Speaker 2: who is it? But Matt entering the black and white ball,
Speaker 2: He's got his keen to complete the look, and he's like,
Speaker 2: apparently can he's heading right for Wilson. I don't know
Speaker 2: what Heather thinks is like is he going by smell
Speaker 2: directly towards Wilson?
Speaker 1: Like how is he doing?
Speaker 4: I just think this guy's putting it on.
Speaker 3: Like he's like navigating a dance floor with a question,
Speaker 3: is Matt Madow blind? Like does the through the powers
Speaker 3: you have mean that he isn't blind? Like it's very controversial,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I am intrigued to see what happens next.
Speaker 3: But come on, Matthew, you are not doing a good
Speaker 3: job a pretending anymore.
Speaker 2: Then this is the guy who said, yeah, I just
Speaker 2: bump into stuff all the time to the point that
Speaker 2: I'm like bleeding and bruised. And then you watch him
Speaker 2: like navigate a dance floor at a at a party. Anyway,
Speaker 2: Heather like intercepts him and she's steamed.
Speaker 1: Where were you? Why didn't you tell I thought you
Speaker 1: were coming?
Speaker 2: And then you don't show up And then he's like,
Speaker 2: well I was I was just yeah, I'm here now.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I was just randomly visiting Bullseye
Speaker 2: at Rikers.
Speaker 1: She's like, what what? What's what? Why do you you
Speaker 1: don't call?
Speaker 2: You show up whenever you want, and then when you
Speaker 2: show up you have the craziest stories about what's been
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: Matt.
Speaker 2: Then hears Dukane chatting with Fisk, and as he's supposed
Speaker 2: to be having this like very serious, really serious conversation
Speaker 2: with Heather about their relationship, he starts listening into that conversation.
Speaker 1: So she's like, you're not even listening to me.
Speaker 2: This infuriates her, which, by the way, she's gonna be
Speaker 2: used to it at this point because this man is
Speaker 2: always snooping on someone with his superhering like you know, yes,
Speaker 2: that'll be He's like eating her out in the New
Speaker 2: York offist and then he's hearing like an old lady
Speaker 2: get mugged and he's like.
Speaker 4: Oh, I gotta go outside. I got through this, like ah.
Speaker 2: Fisk and Ducane then go off and they discuss Red
Speaker 2: Hook and Fisk basically shakes Ducane down for money.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, uh need money for that project,
Speaker 1: and it'd be a shame if it was to come out.
Speaker 1: The doctor Kaine was.
Speaker 2: The swordsman like he basically says, like, I know you're
Speaker 2: the swordsman, and the task force will come after you
Speaker 2: unless you like write a chat.
Speaker 3: I love this, but like in the context of what
Speaker 3: we've seen of the swordsman, like he's just like a
Speaker 3: good step dad who's also like helping out with some swordwright.
Speaker 4: This man is not like a well known vigilante wilst
Speaker 4: the face.
Speaker 3: But I love that in the context of you know,
Speaker 3: his wife being arrested as like mirror mask or whatever,
Speaker 3: like now he is like he would be worried about that,
Speaker 3: So I like this. I also like this is a
Speaker 3: great example of what I think this show does well.
Speaker 3: Even in the silliest kind of big swing moments or
Speaker 3: the wild kind of set pieces like the Black and
Speaker 3: White Ball, it shows that Wilson is not a moral person,
Speaker 3: which a lot of times he claims that there is
Speaker 3: this moral quest against vigilantes, but really that's just the
Speaker 3: oppressed class that he is choosing to oppress to make
Speaker 3: it seem like he's doing something. And it's funny because
Speaker 3: here we see that actually, if you're a rich vigilante,
Speaker 3: he'll just ask you for money. He's not gonna put
Speaker 3: you in prison. And you're gonna try to kill He'll
Speaker 3: just extaught you.
Speaker 4: So that's different. Last to it, like he doesn't.
Speaker 3: Really care if Swordsman isn't a bit gilante. He just
Speaker 3: has if he's getting money from Swordsman.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Task Force guys are all over the place, all
Speaker 2: over this ball. They are like basically Wilson's pretorian guard.
Speaker 3: At this point, they are acting up too, like really
Speaker 3: crazy shit.
Speaker 2: Dirty Cop Powell sees a waiter take a phone pick
Speaker 2: of the ball and so they snatch him off the
Speaker 2: floor and they're getting ready to maybe kill this guy.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, he's just having fun.
Speaker 2: At this point, when Chief Gallow comes down, it is
Speaker 2: like you stop that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have you prosecuted for assault.
Speaker 2: And Pal's like, wait, that's we didn't even do anything
Speaker 2: this you want to see assault and then puts this
Speaker 2: guy's hand in the fry like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Like no, and Gallo is like holy shit, like did
Speaker 1: you just do that in front of me?
Speaker 2: And then next thing you know, there's like a the
Speaker 2: other Task Force guys in the hall and Gallo realizes
Speaker 2: like he has to back down, like this is they're
Speaker 2: out of control and this is actually unsafe for me
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 4: They say Tim as well, like we don't work for you,
Speaker 4: like it's done, like in.
Speaker 3: Case you are we are not like cops under the
Speaker 3: guys of the NYPD anymore.
Speaker 4: We are you know, Wilson fisks m YPD.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Daniel and BB are still having their conversation. BIB is wondering,
Speaker 2: you know, which I think is like an important thing
Speaker 2: to think about for BB if she's lost her journalistic
Speaker 2: perspective because of the proximity to power that Daniel provides, Like,
Speaker 2: am I getting too close to them?
Speaker 4: We?
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's certainly good to think about, considering
Speaker 2: what the conversation she's about to have with Gallo. She
Speaker 2: sees Gallo and she starts grilling him about the Task Force.
Speaker 2: He calls her out for going with Dan's version of
Speaker 2: the MEWS story.
Speaker 1: Apparently she went.
Speaker 2: To print she published that the task Force took out
Speaker 2: news and he's like, everybody knows that was dared, Well,
Speaker 2: it was actually Heathery. Yeah, but it's but it's interesting
Speaker 2: that Biebe actually did succumb to the pressure from Daniel,
Speaker 2: and then Gallo calls her basically Fisk's propaganda, Like when
Speaker 2: did you become fisk propaganda minister? And she's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: when did you become the chief of the s S,
Speaker 2: comparing Gallo to Himmler, which I think is a little Bobe,
Speaker 2: that's a little fucking.
Speaker 3: St But he did come out uncle a minister of
Speaker 3: propaganda off the one book post, so I think that
Speaker 3: kind of that trading, that trading Bob's And.
Speaker 4: Also she she does know.
Speaker 3: That he agreed to be the head of this vigilanti
Speaker 3: task force for most even though he didn't know.
Speaker 2: He's only yeah, he's the nominal heat. Certainly they don't
Speaker 2: listen to him. But I think it's an important conversation
Speaker 2: about like, can you if you were working for a
Speaker 2: corrupt leader, is or any benefit to society as a
Speaker 2: moral person to work for them and change trying them
Speaker 2: in order to try and keep them from going too far.
Speaker 2: And I think that's how Gallo probably sees himself, like
Speaker 2: I'm a check on Wilson just being crazy.
Speaker 3: But he's also the other hand realized after seeing someone
Speaker 3: get their hand French Fried, he doesn't have that control anymore.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have the juice that's not working, and certainly
Speaker 2: Bebe is coming to that realization now with Daniel's ascendency
Speaker 2: and the fact that she's already crossed the journalistic line
Speaker 2: in printing that mute stuff. Then uh, you know, they
Speaker 2: start talking a little bit and Gallo's like, do you
Speaker 2: know that Wilson Fisk killed your uncle? Shockingly, BB is
Speaker 2: like yeah, I know that, which.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what no, no, no, no, no, I think this
Speaker 3: Actually I love this twist because she's like, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: why I'm here. And you see this difference between how
Speaker 3: talking to Gallo and she's like, not everything I print
Speaker 3: as under my real name. She's like, sure, I printed
Speaker 3: that one story to make Daniel think I was on
Speaker 3: his side, but like, if you ever want to print
Speaker 3: something real like this is the you know, probably encryptied
Speaker 3: email that is not straight to BB.
Speaker 4: And we see that.
Speaker 3: Then I think BB is using Daniel to get closer
Speaker 3: to Fisk to find out what happened to her uncle.
Speaker 4: And we get this great moment where after they.
Speaker 3: Agree to kind of team up in some vague way
Speaker 3: that I'm sure we will find out, she puts on
Speaker 3: this like huge smile and kind of bounces back to Daniel,
Speaker 3: and I think that version of BB we've been seeing
Speaker 3: is a mask to follow this revenge quest for her uncle.
Speaker 2: So they're teaming up. Meanwhile, Matt and Heather are still arguing.
Speaker 2: He tells Heather that Fisk again. He's like, he hired
Speaker 2: you to get to me, and she's like what.
Speaker 4: She's like, me, what you're talking about?
Speaker 1: They are? You know?
Speaker 2: The argument is getting more heated. Matt's like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go talk to them. I'm not gonna confront him, and
Speaker 2: Heather's like, I'm coming with you. But before they can
Speaker 2: get there, the spotlight hits the Fisks and it's time
Speaker 2: for the couples dance.
Speaker 1: This is an incredible moment. So Heather, who has been.
Speaker 2: Like furious rightfully with Matt, arguing heatedly with him, watches
Speaker 2: as Matt goes, Okay, here goes the dance.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have.
Speaker 2: This is how we have to get close to them.
Speaker 2: As we're gonna have to hit the dance floor, She's
Speaker 2: like what.
Speaker 1: He folds up in a very like cool guy like way.
Speaker 2: Folds up his cane, drops it on a waiter's tray,
Speaker 2: crazy as the waiter is like what, and then goes,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to lead And then proceeds to lead
Speaker 2: her in a ballroom dance. And it's crazy because and
Speaker 2: this is again comic accurate Matt, because Heather, who was
Speaker 2: just a second ago really furious at Matt, is all
Speaker 2: of a sudden like the flush is coming back her vase.
Speaker 2: She's just like, oh, yeah, I remember why I'm attracted
Speaker 2: to you. Why does this work? Like why wnnoying?
Speaker 3: But it works on me, baby, And he's that dancing
Speaker 3: and that kind of like it's very silly, kind of
Speaker 3: I don't know about dancing all music guys like in
Speaker 3: this sense, so apologies if it's wrong, but it's very
Speaker 3: like passionate kind of salsa, like they're doing a classical
Speaker 3: dance but there's a little flat to it, and they're
Speaker 3: getting close.
Speaker 1: Yes and yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Then and then something something happens that will change the
Speaker 3: way that Matt.
Speaker 4: Sees this situation.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Kingpin is like talking trash from the other side
Speaker 1: of the room. It's like, fuck you man, and.
Speaker 4: He knows he can hear him.
Speaker 1: He's like, you fucking you could hear me. I know
Speaker 1: you could hear me.
Speaker 2: I've your girlfriend is my therapist, Like I know you're
Speaker 2: dressing up his Darnevil again, like, look at you chasing
Speaker 2: me here. Just then, Buck Cashman gets a call telling
Speaker 2: him that Bulls I escaped. He immediately informs Fisk. Matt
Speaker 2: hears Vanessa tell Wilson that she is tell him something,
Speaker 2: and he realizes in that moment that it was Vanessa
Speaker 2: who ordered to hit on Foggy.
Speaker 1: What a twist.
Speaker 4: What twist.
Speaker 3: But if you are of the mindset that Foggy's death
Speaker 3: is not real, which I know many of you are hoping.
Speaker 1: I think it might not I do actually think it
Speaker 1: might not be real.
Speaker 3: It is Vanessa fakes Foggy's death so that Matt cal Wilson.
Speaker 4: That's like her scheme.
Speaker 3: And I'm saying now that Vanessa is the one that
Speaker 3: little easter egg that you call of the number of
Speaker 3: the office being the same number of the episode where
Speaker 3: you know, the issue where Matt kind of does where
Speaker 3: this is revealed, And yeah, it's gonna be interesting because that.
Speaker 2: I truly cannot believe that we really might be going there,
Speaker 2: and I was firmly against it until this and now
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what I might.
Speaker 1: See?
Speaker 3: This is a very this is comics. Uh yeah, Dead
Speaker 3: of a Volume two ninety two. That's when you're kind
Speaker 3: of seeing that Wilson, that Vanessa stees and uh yeah,
Speaker 3: crazy crazy situation here that they revealed that.
Speaker 4: But I'm not surprised.
Speaker 3: She was the big boss at the time. It makes
Speaker 3: sense she But why did she do it?
Speaker 2: That's what That's what I want to That's the question
Speaker 2: we don't know. So Matt cuts in with Vanessa. He
Speaker 2: asks hers straight out, why did you order Foggy's death?
Speaker 2: And but before she can really answer, he hears like
Speaker 2: the clacking of like the bolt of a sniper rifle.
Speaker 2: He realizes someone's taking aim, and then Matt does the
Speaker 2: most Matt fucking thing ever.
Speaker 1: This guy jumps in front.
Speaker 2: Of Wilson Fisk, takes the bullet in the shoulder, sets
Speaker 2: the floor and is bleeding out as the weather like
Speaker 2: you know, kneels over him, and then we go to
Speaker 2: the credit.
Speaker 4: You know what. She is like so hot for him
Speaker 4: in that moment.
Speaker 3: She's like, oh he did even though he's obsessed with
Speaker 3: this guy, he saved his life.
Speaker 4: Like why is Matt like this?
Speaker 3: Like I think the true reason for me is like
Speaker 3: this is a story just like Batman and the Joker
Speaker 3: and every great villain and their you know, heroic counterpart.
Speaker 3: This is really about the relationship between Wilson, Fisk and
Speaker 3: Matt and I understand that also Matt is supposed to
Speaker 3: not want to kill people and save people's lives because
Speaker 3: he's a Catholic. But this man has absolutely just like
Speaker 3: beat the shit out of multiple people this season and
Speaker 3: definitely giving people like severit CTE or like head traumas.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if I'm buying that.
Speaker 3: I think this is like in the moment he just
Speaker 3: he would have potentially let Wilson get shot if he
Speaker 3: hadn't just found out that Vanessa was the one who
Speaker 3: killed Foggy, right, But also then he has this complex
Speaker 3: moment where he's thinking, like, shit, I can stop the
Speaker 3: man who killed my best friend from killing another person,
Speaker 3: so I want to stop him, and he just, dude,
Speaker 3: when he took that bullet, I was screaming at the TV,
Speaker 3: like on multiple rewatches too.
Speaker 4: It just gets me every time. Such a good moment.
Speaker 2: I also love that Matt. Here's the thing about Matthew
Speaker 2: Murdoch Daredevil. This guy never misses a game. He's not
Speaker 2: like Joel Embiid or some of these other guys. He's
Speaker 2: getting concussed, he's falling off of buildings, he's getting shot,
Speaker 2: he's getting stabbed. He's like fighting Bullseye with eight knives
Speaker 2: sticking out of his body.
Speaker 1: And I guarantee you.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow night he will be out there again somehow with
Speaker 2: a bullet in his chest. Bett Murdock will be suiting
Speaker 2: up as Daredbil. This guy just plays when it's game time.
Speaker 2: He's yeah, he's getting up, he's doing it. We got
Speaker 2: to find out about why how these.
Speaker 1: Why did she? Why is she? Why did Vanessa do this?
Speaker 3: Okayeah, biggest question because I either I think Bullseye is
Speaker 3: I think Bullseye it took the shot at Wilson because
Speaker 3: he feels like Wilson set him up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: So like biggest questions going into the finale, why did
Speaker 3: Vanessa do this? Is I am distinctly getting the flavor
Speaker 3: that Matt is going to like team up with Gallo
Speaker 3: and maybe bebe in some kind of like good I
Speaker 3: don't like good cops, like at the end of The
Speaker 3: Batman where it's like there are good cops too, So
Speaker 3: I feel like that could definitely happen because that hinting
Speaker 3: that Gallo is going to be this kind of better
Speaker 3: reflection of the police than the anti Vigilanti task Force.
Speaker 3: Will Wilson feel like he owes Matt and the thing
Speaker 3: for saving his life? Will that change their relationship?
Speaker 1: No way, I think of anything, he'll have less respect
Speaker 1: for Matt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like why didn't you just let him kill me?
Speaker 1: Like, why didn't you want to have had the chance?
Speaker 1: That was it?
Speaker 2: You could have been got rid of me, And here
Speaker 2: you are because you're absolutely stupid moral code. You saved
Speaker 2: my life after everything that I've done, Like you are weak?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he loses complete respectful.
Speaker 5: Also, does Wilson and the season still as Maya or
Speaker 5: do we see him make that transition to set up
Speaker 5: season two.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it would take right now for
Speaker 2: him to get torn down as Mayor. He's he's almost
Speaker 2: doing everything out in the open.
Speaker 4: Yeah you know what I mean. Would he want to
Speaker 4: step away from it and just be the kingpin?
Speaker 3: Or maybe the finale is him saying I am both,
Speaker 3: like both exist, like I'm Kingpin Mayor of New York
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about a lot about the born again element,
Speaker 2: and I do think that this season is it's it
Speaker 2: matches the overall kind of shape of the first two
Speaker 2: acts of Born Again in that I think what it's
Speaker 2: about is driving Matt over the edge, making him cross lines,
Speaker 2: making him think that it's all for nothing. Daredevil doesn't
Speaker 2: do anything, you know, arguing the law doesn't do anything.
Speaker 2: So that I think that next season as I think
Speaker 2: Fisk will continue to be Mayor and be more powerful
Speaker 2: than ever, and I think Matt will. Next season's Matt
Speaker 2: is going to be the Daredevil kingpin of crime, where
Speaker 2: Matt is like, you know what, I'm gonna go and
Speaker 2: take over the gangs. I'm going to bring them to
Speaker 2: heal and then I'm gonna I'm gonna be like the
Speaker 2: hyper violent Daredevil that I need to be to really
Speaker 2: make a difference. I'm gonna cross lines, I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: completely underground. And I think that's maybe what is going
Speaker 2: to happen. I think maybe Matt he might fake his
Speaker 2: death after.
Speaker 3: This, yeah exactly, because we got to see Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: interested to see where it goes next. It feels like
Speaker 3: it's going to be oddo wrap it up in one episode,
Speaker 3: but I will be very excused.
Speaker 2: A punisher must come back right, So how does he
Speaker 2: get involved?
Speaker 3: I think that Matt is going to have to call
Speaker 3: in some kind of crew to stop to help stop
Speaker 3: Bullseye now he's out and about that's my guess. But
Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to team up with Wilson.
Speaker 3: That's not that's not really in the cards for them.
Speaker 3: But I do think that maybe maybe Frank comes back
Speaker 3: because he hears Matt got shot. Yeah, which could also
Speaker 3: mean we could get a Karen return as well, because
Speaker 3: she might be worried about him for.
Speaker 1: A Foggy return. They didn't do that.
Speaker 4: That would be so crazy.
Speaker 1: If he do that, I will lose it.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow and Extra Vision, we're recapping season one of the
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Speaker 2: and Or, as we debate is Rogue one a good film?
Speaker 2: Our Last of Us season to coverage will begin Tuesday
Speaker 2: and on Thursday, recovering the inclusion of Dared Devil Born
Speaker 2: Again season one. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening,
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