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Speaker 1: The Charlie Kirk Show starts now.

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Speaker 2: A Fellow Americans, this is Liberation Day waiting for a

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Speaker 2: long time. April second, twenty twenty five will forever be

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Speaker 2: remembered as the day American industry was reborn, the day

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Speaker 2: America's destiny was reclaimed, and the day that we began

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Speaker 2: to make America wealthy again.

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Speaker 3: Going to make it wealthy, good, and wealthy.

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Speaker 4: A new CBS News Bowl shows a majority of Americans

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Speaker 4: support imposing tariffs unimported goods.

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Speaker 1: And more have an optimistic view of the economy since

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Speaker 1: the election.

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Speaker 2: From this day on, where not going to let anyone

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Speaker 2: tell us that American workers and families cannot have the

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Speaker 2: future that they deserve. We're going to produce the cars

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Speaker 2: and ships, chips, airplanes, minerals, and medicines that we need

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Speaker 2: right here in America. The pharmaceutical companies are going to

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Speaker 2: become roaring back. They're coming roaring back. They're all coming

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Speaker 2: back to our country because if they don't, they've got

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Speaker 2: a big text to pay. And if they do, I'll

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Speaker 2: be very happy, and you're going to be very happy,

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Speaker 2: and you're going to be very safe. We're going to

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Speaker 2: build our future with American hands, with American heart, American steel,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to build it with American pride like

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Speaker 2: we used to.

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Speaker 5: You have tariffs on a whole number of products.

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Speaker 6: And we'd be willing to take those off tomorrow if

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Speaker 6: you took all the paraffs off.

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Speaker 7: If in fact, you're prepared to take your tariffs off,

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Speaker 7: why wouldn't you have that negotiation.

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Speaker 8: In that conversation now before any tariffs.

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Speaker 9: Get put in place.

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Speaker 6: Well, we've had this conversation for all the last month.

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Speaker 6: We don't want tariffs.

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Speaker 3: Why is that not all? I guess my question is

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Speaker 3: why has all of that not already happened?

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Speaker 7: And does President Trump know that you'd be.

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Speaker 3: Prepared to do that?

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Speaker 6: He knows, and Secretary mac knows that we're willing to

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Speaker 6: take these tariffs off, Like in the next minute if

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Speaker 6: he said he's taking their tariffs off.

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Speaker 2: The tariff is a beautiful thing, but it's got a

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Speaker 2: bad image. It needs you to fix the image the tariff.

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Speaker 2: We stop wars with tariffs. I mean I had cases

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Speaker 2: where I told a country that were being very aggressive

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Speaker 2: with another country had nothing to do with us. I

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Speaker 2: just don't like seeing dead people, okay, And they were

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Speaker 2: going to go to war.

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Speaker 3: And I said, if you go to war and they do.

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Speaker 2: A lot of business with the United States, I'm putting

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent tariff for everything you do, any business

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Speaker 2: you do with this.

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Speaker 10: No, no, no, this has nothing to do I said,

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Speaker 10: it does.

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Speaker 1: Have I stopped the war?

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Speaker 10: Well, I get Nobel prizes.

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Speaker 11: Never.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look what we did with the Abraham Accords.

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Speaker 10: How good that was.

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Speaker 2: But you can stop wars with tariffs.

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Speaker 4: And the evidence we have so far indicates potentially that

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Speaker 4: Disney ABC were making employment decisions based on race and gender,

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Speaker 4: including having effectively race defined a findy group within the company.

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Speaker 10: We have evidence that they put quotas in.

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Speaker 4: Place based on specific demographics.

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Speaker 9: If the edit doesn't back play.

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Speaker 4: Out and shows that they weren't engaged in race and

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Speaker 4: gender based discremation, that's a very serious issue at the

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Speaker 4: FCC that could fundamentally go to their character qualifications even

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Speaker 4: hold a license.

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Speaker 10: But we're going to follow the bats where.

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Speaker 2: They got and there, great Secretary, you have done. Stand

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Speaker 2: up place, Christy, stand up Christie Nome.

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Speaker 10: And Tom Holman.

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Speaker 2: These people are doing a great job, but gotten them

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Speaker 2: out in records. We have problems with judges that don't

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Speaker 2: want them to go out. They want trend deir Raqua

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Speaker 2: and they want MS thirteen and the most vicious gangs ever.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's ever seen anything like an absolute killer gangs. They

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Speaker 2: kill people that don't even think about it, and we

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Speaker 2: put them out.

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Speaker 10: Or we have judges now.

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Speaker 2: Radical left judges that want to They don't want them

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Speaker 2: to go out, they want them to even be brought back.

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Speaker 3: Let's bring them back.

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Speaker 2: You've done a fantastic job. And please thank everybody Homeland Security,

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Speaker 2: thank everybody.

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Speaker 12: Appreciating that referendum in Wisconsin. Then you should have brought

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Speaker 12: the SAVE back, which is a voter suppression bill that

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Speaker 12: we strongly opposed, to the floor week. You could have

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Speaker 12: done it, You could have done it today. To do

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Speaker 12: it tomorrow, I dare you to bring a SAVE back

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Speaker 12: to the.

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Speaker 10: Floor in the coming days.

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Speaker 2: There will be complaints from the globalists and the outsources

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Speaker 2: and special interests.

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Speaker 9: And the fake news.

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Speaker 2: Never forget, every prediction our opponents made about trade for

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Speaker 2: the last thirty years has been proven totally wrong.

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Speaker 9: They were wrong about NAFTA.

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Speaker 2: They were wrong about China, they were wrong about the

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Speaker 2: Transpecific Partnership. In my first term, they said tariffs would

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Speaker 2: crash the economy. Instead, we built the greatest economy in

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Speaker 2: the history of the world.

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Speaker 13: Every day is a battle for your mind, raging information

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Speaker 13: coming from every angle, but the will to the sea

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Speaker 13: fear not. You found the place for truth, the voice

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Speaker 13: from a generation that still has the will to believe

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Speaker 13: in the greatest country in the history of the world.

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Speaker 1: This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Ok a lot, here

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Speaker 1: we go.

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Speaker 5: Wow, Okay, everybody, Radio stations across the country honored to

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Speaker 5: be with you.

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Speaker 3: Happy Thursday.

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Speaker 5: President Donald Trump very well could have done what every

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Speaker 5: other politician does when it comes to trade and American manufacturing.

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Speaker 5: You say one thing to the heartland of this country,

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Speaker 5: and then you kowtow to the Wall Street class. We

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Speaker 5: have gone into great detail on this program on what

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Speaker 5: is a tariff, where the tariffs come from, why do

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Speaker 5: certain countries embrace them, and why do they not When

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Speaker 5: you are the incumbent economic power, tariffs can be a

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Speaker 5: tool to bring more money, more investment, more capital back

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Speaker 5: to the homeland. However, in order to use tariffs, you

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Speaker 5: have to be willing to look the markets in eye

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Speaker 5: and say, I know you might be a little ugly

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Speaker 5: I know you might be a little mean, but I

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Speaker 5: am willing to persevere. I'm willing to push through the

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Speaker 5: instant pains that we can have long term success. As

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Speaker 5: we've said many times on this program, the West was

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Speaker 5: built thanks to delayed gratification, not instant gratification, but instead

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Speaker 5: delaying the inevitable payoff. We have wanted to play this

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Speaker 5: piece of tape a couple times. I did play it

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Speaker 5: a few weeks ago on this program, and it's very important.

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Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite pieces of tape.

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Speaker 5: And credit to the Jesse Water Show for compiling it,

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Speaker 5: because I think this piece of tape sets the tone

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Speaker 5: from what President Trump announced in the Rose Garden. It

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Speaker 5: sets the tone as to what we are doing here.

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Speaker 5: And I'll be very honest with you. As I was

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Speaker 5: watching the Rose Garden speech and all the networks took it,

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Speaker 5: I was getting a little bit emotional. Not emotional because

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Speaker 5: of what President Trump was doing at the markets, but

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Speaker 5: when I saw a group of fifty five year old

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Speaker 5: auto workers, the white working class, with their hard hats on,

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Speaker 5: I thought of the countless MAGA rallies that I've spoke at.

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Speaker 5: I thought at the countless political events that I went

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Speaker 5: to and I and President Trump, of President Trump and myself,

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Speaker 5: I should stay and myself as proxy, would look these

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Speaker 5: guys in the eyes and we would make a promise

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Speaker 5: to them. We would say, to these white working class men,

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Speaker 5: elect us, and we are going to fight for you.

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Speaker 3: We're going to do mass deportations.

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Speaker 5: We're going to stop the stem on the southern borders,

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Speaker 5: the flow of illegal immigration and drugs, and we are

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Speaker 5: going to use tariffs. And these polite, mild mattern mid

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Speaker 5: what mattered Midwestern patriots that work for Ford or General Motors,

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Speaker 5: that work in manufacturing plants, those that still exist, would

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Speaker 5: applaud as if it was a lifeline. As we say

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Speaker 5: on this program, they're the ones that shower before work,

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Speaker 5: and they shower after work. And I got a little

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Speaker 5: emotional watching that Rose Garden speech. And as those very

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Speaker 5: same guys that we have campaigned for can say that

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Speaker 5: we voted for this, Donald Trump won the heartland because

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Speaker 5: of these swing voters. These are the Reagan Democrats, These

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Speaker 5: are the Obama Democrats that voted for Obama, and some

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Speaker 5: of them even voted for Joe Biden in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 5: and they came back home and you look right there

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Speaker 5: And I thought to myself, it is very unique to

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Speaker 5: to do, regardless of what the media and the institutions

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Speaker 5: of power threatened him with. So I want to just

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Speaker 5: set the tone, to set the vibe of our conversation

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Speaker 5: around this historic Liberation Day speech with why we are here.

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Speaker 5: This is Jonestown, Pennsylvania, before I was born. This started

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Speaker 5: this sequence. This right here we're about to play is

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Speaker 5: what President Trump is aiming to solve in the Rose Garden.

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Speaker 5: Thirty two years of managed to climb, thirty two years,

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Speaker 5: thirty five years, you could say, forty years of the

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Speaker 5: slipping of American manufacturing dominance. It's a very difficult clip

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Speaker 5: to watch and multiply it by sixty thousand. Play cut

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Speaker 14: Three for ages Hot Molten steel has been the lifeblood

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Speaker 14: of Johnstown, vigorously pumping dollars and jobs through the city's veins.

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Speaker 14: But now the pulse of the community is in cardiac

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Speaker 14: or rest. Bethlehem officials aren't making any more comments than

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Speaker 14: what's contained in.

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Speaker 10: This press release.

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Speaker 14: They're sorry that it's simply not cost effective to run

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Speaker 14: the mill any longer.

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Speaker 9: It does hurt, and there's a dramatic spin off.

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Speaker 3: It's going to come from that, and there's going to be.

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Speaker 9: A lot of problems that have to be solved.

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Speaker 14: In part, Bethlehem cites feerce, foreign competition, and the national

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Speaker 14: economy for their demise. For some Bethlehem employees, it's hard

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Speaker 14: to look past the shocking news we go.

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Speaker 15: Don't rely on the corporation yet, don't want you in

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Speaker 15: a sense, and they don't care you know you.

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Speaker 3: Only a number.

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Speaker 5: Jobs left and drugs came in, factories closed, and community shattered.

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Speaker 3: We thought we were getting the better end of the deal,

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Speaker 3: free trade, our leaders told us. George H. W.

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Speaker 5: Bush was president when that happened, and William Clinton took

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Speaker 5: office soon after in January of nineteen ninety three. Neither

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Speaker 5: actually decided to fix the raping of the Heartland. Jamie

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Speaker 5: Vance ran for the US Senate and eventually became the

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Speaker 5: Vice president. Because he is a son of the forgotten

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Speaker 5: family of the Midwest. He has a son of the

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Speaker 5: forgotten worker of the uaw jd Vance understands the shared

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Speaker 5: lived experience of the factory workers of Appalachia. And when

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Speaker 5: President Trump was doing in the Rose Garden, he did

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Speaker 5: not have to do this. He could have done what

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Speaker 5: every politician did. Oh, I'm in my second term. I'm

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Speaker 5: not running again. Forget this. I don't actually have to

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Speaker 5: deliver on the promises what I said I was going

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Speaker 5: to do.

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Speaker 3: He could have.

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Speaker 5: Coasted like Obama. He could have coasted like George W.

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Speaker 3: Bush.

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Speaker 5: But let's go through the list. Reagan, he opened up

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Speaker 5: free trade, which destroyed the heartlands. True Reagan was good

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Speaker 5: with a lot of stuff. He was terrible with this.

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Speaker 5: He did some terrorists, but not nearly enough. Bill Clinton accelerated.

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Speaker 5: Exactly what President Trump is issuing as far as reciprocal

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Speaker 3: Let's play cut one twenty two.

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Speaker 11: The second is that cheap labor is fundamentally a crutch,

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Speaker 5: So the US Trade Representative has chronicled every tariff and

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Speaker 5: so much, let's trade some dollar bills. I'm gonna bring

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Speaker 5: make the good in Knoxville, make the good in Marshall Toon, Iowa.

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Speaker 5: Make the good in Flagstaff, Arizona. Employ American labor. China

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Speaker 17: President Trump says the US is in an economic emergency,

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Speaker 17: Good afternoon, everyone, I'm tering s Baates. We appreciate you

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Speaker 17: implying that the plan could have been much more aggressive.

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Speaker 2: If you want you're teriff RAI to be zero, then

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Speaker 10: Manipulate your currencies.

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Speaker 17: Apart from leveling the trading playing field, President Trump says

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Speaker 17: Norway's foreign minister is pushing back againgainst the Trump tariffs,

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Speaker 17: saying he believes the new taxes will hurt NATO allies

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Speaker 17: and may violate Article two of the Alliance, which stresses

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Speaker 17: Poland's Prime minister also chiming in and predicting that the

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Speaker 17: saying that it was a quote severe and unpleasant blow

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Speaker 5: and also an Army veteran, Will welcome to the program.

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Speaker 5: Will we complained while Biden was president that there were

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Speaker 5: separate fitness standards in the military for men and women.

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Speaker 3: If a woman wants to be in.

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Speaker 5: The military, she should have to do the same amount

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Speaker 5: of push ups, the same amount of pull ups, and

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Speaker 5: run at the same pace as a man. In battle,

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Speaker 5: the enemy does not shoot less or deploy less IEDs

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Speaker 5: or fight softer if he finds out that it is

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Speaker 5: a female combatant versus a male combatant. Tell us about

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Speaker 5: the announcement that Pete Hegseth has made that women must

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Speaker 5: now be able to have the same strength and fitness

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Speaker 5: standards as men in the military.

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Speaker 15: Tell us, that's exactly it, Charlie. It is finally common

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Speaker 15: sense again at the Pentagon for men and women to

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Speaker 15: be evaluated based on the same rubric. Right, what is

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Speaker 15: it that, frankly, the defense establishment and both parties have

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Speaker 15: told us for over ten years now men and women

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Speaker 15: deserve the same opportunities in combat that they do in

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Speaker 15: the rest of life, and so long as everyone passes

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Speaker 15: the same standards, well then they should have that opportunity

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Speaker 15: to serve in.

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Speaker 18: These brutal roles.

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Speaker 15: Well, we are finally taking a step towards that being

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Speaker 15: a reality after about fifteen years of meddling with this delusion.

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Speaker 15: You know, now when a man or a woman are

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Speaker 15: evaluated based on their fitness, they're evaluated on the same scale.

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Speaker 15: You know, before this week, a woman had to do

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Speaker 15: about forty two push ups to get an A plus

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Speaker 15: on her fitness test, while a man had to do

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Speaker 15: eighty four push ups. All the while, we were told

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Speaker 15: that man and that woman were able to do any

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Speaker 15: combat job in the same capacity, even though they're being

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Speaker 15: judged by the same standard.

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Speaker 18: It was this bait and switch that.

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Speaker 15: Frankly, both sides of the eye would tell the American people,

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Speaker 15: and Pete Hexseth has finally fixed that by saying when

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Speaker 15: it comes to these gruesome, you know, excellent driven jobs,

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Speaker 15: that it requires the same standards. So we're not playing

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Speaker 15: identity politics with the infantry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So just to get into more of the details of

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Speaker 5: how it was, yes, thank you, you guys found it. Great

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Speaker 5: job put forty four up on screen. This, by the way,

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Speaker 5: this entire rubric was so memory hold it was really

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Speaker 5: hard to find.

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Speaker 3: This very hard.

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Speaker 5: So if you are a woman in the US military, again,

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Speaker 5: this was a little bit goofy, So you guys have

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Speaker 5: to help me understand they did this. They also made

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Speaker 5: the chart in like this backwards way. It's very difficult,

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Speaker 5: so guys, help me understand this. So, if you are

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Speaker 5: a woman, for push ups, female in order to get

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Speaker 5: the most amount of points had to do fifty three

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Speaker 5: push ups, where a male had to do fifty seven

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Speaker 5: push ups. Am I reading that correctly? I believe I am.

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Speaker 9: Yes.

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Speaker 5: Where in order to get the next threshold of points, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: this is all based on age, So basically the accommodation

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Speaker 5: against there's an age bracket here, it's very complicated. So

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Speaker 5: and by the way they got rid of pull ups completely,

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Speaker 5: it looks like they just got rid of pull ups.

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Speaker 5: But the running is the most dramatic, which I think

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Speaker 5: is one of the most important parts of physical of

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Speaker 5: military preparedness and fitness. Where the man has to be

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Speaker 5: able to run in thirteen minutes and twenty two seconds.

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Speaker 5: The female can be two minutes slower than a man

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Speaker 5: in a battlefield under the Biden physical fitness standards. The deadlift,

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Speaker 5: this one I find to be so flu miixing. So

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Speaker 5: to get a max score on a deadlift, a man

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Speaker 5: needed to be able to deadlift three hundred and forty

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Speaker 5: pounds a woman two hundred and thirty pounds. So will

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Speaker 5: explain to me, you're in a battlefield in Yemen, You're

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Speaker 5: in a battlefield in a Raq, You're in a battlefield,

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Speaker 5: and basically a woman under Joe Biden would not be

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Speaker 5: able to lift an average weight of a soldier and

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Speaker 5: still be able to be on the front lines. Am

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Speaker 5: I understanding this correctly?

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Speaker 18: Precisely, Charlie.

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Speaker 15: And that's what the deadlift was put in the Army

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Speaker 15: Combat Fitness test to measure the ability of a soldier.

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Speaker 18: Again, we were told of any gender.

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Speaker 15: To lift a heavyweight off the ground, like say, the

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Speaker 15: body of your fallen comrade, and.

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Speaker 18: Then carry it out of harm's way.

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Speaker 19: It is.

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Speaker 15: It is brazen, as far as I'm concerned, to say

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Speaker 15: that there is this equal standard for all, when just

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Speaker 15: as you showed, it was a different standard. I'm pretty

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Speaker 15: sure you were just kind of reading off some of

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Speaker 15: the minimum standards. And that's not even in consideration for

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Speaker 15: Army combat rules. You know, it's important to note, and

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Speaker 15: you mentioned this, there was even a point where they

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Speaker 15: changed the test. It was the lake tuck close to

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Speaker 15: a pull up that proved, even with a gender segregated score,

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Speaker 15: to be too quote discriminatory for women. So you had

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Speaker 15: senators from both sides of the aisle and female army

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Speaker 15: generals who demanded that the Biden administration and the Army

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Speaker 15: under the Biden administration take out the take out that

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Speaker 15: event from the Army combat fitness test. So when we

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Speaker 15: say that, yes, it may be the same test that

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Speaker 15: measures people, well, it's been a test that's been altered

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Speaker 15: in order to meet the realities of gender disparity in

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Speaker 15: physical performance.

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Speaker 5: So you know, it's grading on a curve. Is that

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Speaker 5: fair to say? Basically, we have a grading on the

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Speaker 5: curve for military preparedness.

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Speaker 18: Precisely, that's exactly what it is.

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Speaker 9: And it's a.

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Speaker 15: Curve for our most serious roles. You know, if you

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Speaker 15: asked yourself, hey, who would I read rather, you know,

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Speaker 15: drag my son or daughter's body out of combat?

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Speaker 18: If you had to choose out of a hat, it

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Speaker 18: would be a man or a woman.

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Speaker 15: Anyone would choose a man if they had to choose, right,

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Speaker 15: It's the perfect case of where the exception proves the

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Speaker 15: rule here. But that's it's about what the military is.

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Speaker 15: The military is not a bastion of equal opportunity. It

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Speaker 15: is not a place where you necessarily deserve a fair

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Speaker 15: shot at the job that you might think you deserve.

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Speaker 18: It's a job where only the best is needed and where.

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Speaker 15: Masculine virtue is absolutely necessary. And there's no greater way

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Speaker 15: of laying that disparity clear than in the physical fitness test.

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Speaker 15: But it is where we were told, you know, the

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Speaker 15: most brazen lies. And it's why although this policy change

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Speaker 15: of course by the Defense establishment is kind of you know,

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Speaker 15: tasked aside and said, it's just an issue of identity politics.

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Speaker 18: That's not true.

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Speaker 15: It is at the core of what it means to

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Speaker 15: be in the military, and that's to maintain physical excellence

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Speaker 15: and to be capable of going to what we called

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Speaker 15: in the Army, the limit of advance with your unit,

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Speaker 15: no matter the challenge ahead of you.

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Speaker 18: That's what the Army Combat Fitness Test measured.

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Speaker 15: And we're finally one step closer for it to being

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Speaker 15: a genuine test of physical excellence and not just a

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Speaker 15: pass fail metric. You know, before you can include all

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Speaker 15: other other characteristics of identity politics.

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Speaker 5: Let's hear it in Pete Hegsett's own words, let's play

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Speaker 5: cut two ninety five.

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Speaker 7: Please here at the Defense Department, we are restoring the

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Speaker 7: warrior ethos, and that means we've got to be fit

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Speaker 7: to fight inside all of our formations. That starts with

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Speaker 7: standards and going back to basics. So for decades the

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Speaker 7: military I joined, there were different male and female physical

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Speaker 7: standards because men and women are different, and that's understandable,

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Speaker 7: but there were certain jobs combat moss that were only

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Speaker 7: for men, and so you had a male standard. Then

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Speaker 7: in twenty fifteen, under the Obama administration, against the advice

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Speaker 7: Their decision, but they never changed the standards in a

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Speaker 9: Some changed it, but not all did.

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Speaker 15: Right, and that's that's the point it one thing that

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Speaker 15: Even when I joined the army, what the fitness test was.

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Speaker 15: It was a means of determining who is the best

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Speaker 18: From there, standards have not been that since the policy changed.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 18: Star generals who would put their career in.

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Speaker 15: also use this as an occasion asked serious questions about

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Speaker 18: In many cases, these are the same leaders who.

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Speaker 7: We're ensuring that any combat position across any of the services,

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Speaker 7: and the services are evaluating that has the same standard

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Speaker 7: for men and women, which means anybody can join, but

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Speaker 7: possible units, the most lethal units. So this is a

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Speaker 7: those units. It's a review that's important, long overdue, and

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Speaker 5: Will Tiebou continues, does Army veteran and director of American

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Speaker 3: Twenty five up.

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Speaker 5: Under the Biden administration, there was a celebration of pregnant

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Speaker 5: what percentage of women are going to make through make

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Speaker 15: Perhaps a handful, But the point is, what does this

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Speaker 18: And you know, I don't.

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Speaker 18: Be some that do.

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Speaker 15: But does that mean that it's worth it to change

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Speaker 15: a few elite you know, great excellent women who can

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Speaker 18: Frankly, my wife was one of those.

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Speaker 15: Women who can meet those standards, and she served alongside

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Speaker 18: That's how we met.

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Speaker 15: But she would be the first to tell you that,

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Speaker 15: you know, again, the exception doesn't prove the rule in

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Speaker 18: I think there's still some more questions to ask here.

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Speaker 3: Will Tibo excellent?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, it does beg a deeper and

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Speaker 5: broader question should women be in combat units? And that's

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Speaker 5: a deeper question, and at least from the fitness standards,

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Speaker 5: same fitness standards. So let's just start there. This is

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Speaker 5: just a very simple, common sense way. That's a controversial question,

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Speaker 17: to the world's economic system, with global markets including Wall

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Speaker 17: Street feeling the sting. Real America's Voice White House correspondent

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Speaker 17: Brian Glenn joining us from the nation's capital this morning

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Speaker 17: with the very latest. So Brian, first of all, good

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Speaker 17: afternoon to you there in Washington, DC. And I'm curious

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Speaker 17: losses being sustained on all three major usn disease right now.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, well, it's definitely a shock, and I don't I

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Speaker 19: think it's anything that we did not expect, especially coming

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Speaker 19: from a very highly anticipated announcement on these reciprocal tariffs.

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Speaker 19: But as I sat in the Rose Garden and we

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Speaker 19: had the pageantry, we had the music, the flags, we

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Speaker 19: had it all, it was kind of an upbeat moment.

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Speaker 19: When he passed out these what he calls a fair

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Speaker 19: reciprocal tariff to these countries, I thought it was way

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Speaker 19: beyond fair, you know, looking at China's you know, giving

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Speaker 19: us what sixty seven percent tariff, and we're matching them

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Speaker 19: with I think a thirty four percent tariffs. So a

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Speaker 19: lot of these tariffs were about fifty percent from what

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Speaker 19: these other nations charge us. But we knew there'd be

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Speaker 19: some reaction in the market terrence. That's to be expected.

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Speaker 19: But if you're playing the long game in this, and

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Speaker 19: I'm not talking about the stock market, I'm talking about

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Speaker 19: bringing manufacturing back to this country, this is definitely the

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Speaker 19: right move.

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Speaker 17: And part of this is posturing, I would imagine, trying

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Speaker 17: to get people to come to the table. Spain's prime

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Speaker 17: Minister writing, we're once again asking President Trump to reconsider

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Speaker 17: to sit down at the negotiating table with the European

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Speaker 17: Union and also the rest of the world. I use

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Speaker 17: that quote to kind of put into context that a

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Speaker 17: lot of these countries that have been taking advantage of

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Speaker 17: the United States are already saying, Okay, we're ready to talk,

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Speaker 17: We're ready to negotiate. And it seems to me that

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Speaker 17: that's part of what President Trump was trying to achieve.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, that's what it is. It's the art of the deals,

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Speaker 19: negotiating tactics. And by the way, the European Union is

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Speaker 19: another one of the worst ratios that we've been charged

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Speaker 19: to what we charge them, So maybe it's about time

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Speaker 19: they come to the table. And President Trump has talked

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Speaker 19: about this to the campaign trail, how we've been ripped

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Speaker 19: off by foreign countries for far too long and it's

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Speaker 19: time to make the United States wealthy again. And this

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Speaker 19: is part of it. It's a negotiation tactic. I would

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Speaker 19: imagine the phone right now at the White House is

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Speaker 19: ringing off the hook, ready to book their next appointment

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Speaker 19: to the White House to talk about these tariffs.

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Speaker 17: And Brian moving forward to this weekend. Is it going

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Speaker 17: to be a ghost town there in Washington, D C?

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Speaker 17: President Trump leaving the capital this afternoon. Of course, most

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Speaker 17: of the House is gone back to their districts. After

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Speaker 17: Speak of the House, Mike Johnson sent everybody home. Not

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Speaker 17: a whole lot going to be happening this weekend, over

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Speaker 17: the next twenty four hours, I would.

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Speaker 19: Think, yeah, it will be a ghost town. I know.

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Speaker 19: President Trump is scheduled to leave just in a few

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Speaker 19: headed down to Miami to attend a live golf tournament,

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Speaker 19: a dinner tonight, and then he will return to mar

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Speaker 19: A Lago, which I would imagine he'll probably instead of

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Speaker 19: watching golf, he'll probably play golf at mar A Lagos.

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Speaker 19: So kind of a long weekend for the president. But

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Speaker 19: it's been a very actic week here in Washington, D C.

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Speaker 19: But as far as Congress and the Senate goes, well,

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Speaker 19: we know Mike Johnson called it early, threw in the

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Speaker 19: red flag earlier in the week, called no more votes

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Speaker 19: due to kind of that conflict on the floor we

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Speaker 19: had all with the proxy voting that pretty much ruined

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Speaker 19: the chances of any additional voting for the week. That's

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Speaker 19: still got to be resolved in then the course of Senates,

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Speaker 19: they've all got their issues, So it's never a dull

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Speaker 19: moment here in DC. But when it comes to the

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Speaker 19: White House today, it's nothing but marine one leaving here

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Speaker 19: to go to Joint Bass Andrews and of course down

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Speaker 19: down to Miami.

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Speaker 17: Brian twenty seconds. What's your sense in terms of what

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Speaker 17: will start happening next week? Will Congress be back in town?

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Speaker 17: Will the work of the people actually get start getting

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Speaker 17: back underway.

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Speaker 19: I think the heat will be turned up, assuming that

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Speaker 19: they pretty much wasted lack of a better word, though

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Speaker 19: time this week. So next week I know Congress is

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Speaker 19: back in session to get things done. Stay tuned, we'll

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Speaker 19: have it all right here on Real America's Voice as usual.

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Speaker 17: Chief White House Correspondent Brian Glenn reporting to us from Washington, DC.

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Speaker 17: Make sure to turn into tune into America's Voice Live.

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Speaker 17: He'll also be hosting that later on today. Well, folks,

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Speaker 17: that's going to do it for your headlines here on

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Speaker 17: Real America's Voice. We appreciate you being here. Now let's

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Speaker 17: get you back to you regularly scheduled programming.

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Speaker 3: Okay, everybody, welcome back.

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Speaker 5: Email us as always, Freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com

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Speaker 5: joining us for the entire hour is the legend. Someone

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Speaker 5: that I listen to every week. I try to read

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Speaker 5: almost everything he publishes. Is Victor Davis Hanson, a senior

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Speaker 5: fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. Victor, great

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Speaker 5: to see you, Thank you for taking the.

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Speaker 9: Time, Thank you for having me so.

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Speaker 5: Victor, you have had some phenomenal commentary lately on President

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Speaker 5: Trump's tariff policy and how we should think about this

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Speaker 5: through national security and the reindustrialization of America terms. Please

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Speaker 5: explain to our audience what your take is on President

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Speaker 5: Trump's tariff announcement.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's very incumbent upon him and his team to

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Speaker 8: talk in terms of symmetry and parody and to emphasize

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Speaker 8: that his wish would be a terriff free world. But

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Speaker 8: unfortunately that's been only half true. That the United States

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Speaker 8: is the only country in the world with such low

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Speaker 8: tariffs and has essentially a free market. And that was

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Speaker 8: fine during the postwar era when we were rebuilding Europe

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Speaker 8: and deterring the communist world. But eighty years later, the

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Speaker 8: United States is facing thirty seven trillion dollars in debt

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Speaker 8: to three billion dollars in interest per year of one

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Speaker 8: point seven trillion dollar budget deficit and almost over most

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Speaker 8: years over a billion dollar, excuse me, a trillion dollars

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Speaker 8: in trade deficits. So what we're asking for is not asymmetry,

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Speaker 8: but just parody. And that would mean I don't even

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Speaker 8: think Donald Trump and his team have said we need

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Speaker 8: parody right now. Just to take one example, they would

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Speaker 8: say to Mexico, you were part of a free.

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Speaker 9: Trade North American continent. What happened?

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Speaker 8: You're running fifty and then eighty, and then one hundred,

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Speaker 8: then one hundred and fifty. Now you're running one hundred

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Speaker 8: and seventy seven billion dollar annual trade deficit. You're a

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Speaker 8: conduit for the communist Chinese to get around tariff policies

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Speaker 8: which are asymmetrical in their favor. And this is in

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Speaker 8: addition to you have sixty three billion dollars coming to

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Speaker 8: your country and remittances most of whom are people here,

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Speaker 8: are from whom people are here illegally, and they're subsidized

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Speaker 8: by our own welfare system. And then when there's a

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Speaker 8: some twenty to thirty billion dollars in an excess that's

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Speaker 8: estimated to come from smuggling in the cartel's sentinel trade,

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Speaker 8: which is killed. That's not the behavior of a good neighbor.

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Speaker 8: And we're just asking for parity. And I think he

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Speaker 8: could apply that logic and tone vocabulary addiction to all

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Speaker 8: of these Europe, China, maybe not China because we expected

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Speaker 8: from them, but Europe, Canada, Mexico, and not let them

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Speaker 8: get away with the idea that we're waging a unilateral

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Speaker 8: trade war when we're just asking for parity and reciprocity.

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Speaker 5: So help me understand the history of tariffs. The only

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Speaker 5: history that most people can remember is, oh, tariffs cause

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Speaker 5: the Great Depression, smoot Hay tariff. But it's actually far

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Speaker 5: more deep and complex and interesting than that. Our government

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Speaker 5: was largely funded on tariffs, as per Abraham Lincoln supported

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Speaker 5: in Alexander Hamilton. What is the history of tariffs when

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Speaker 5: it comes to our country? And let's go much deeper

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Speaker 5: than the superficial analysis that, oh, it caused the Great Depression.

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Speaker 8: Well, to put it another way, we didn't have an

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Speaker 8: income tax. It was envisioned in nineteen thirteen but ratified

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Speaker 8: nineteen sixteen. So then that begs the question, where did

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Speaker 8: the federal government get their money. They had no other

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Speaker 8: source of revenue other than tariffs, essentially, and that was

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Speaker 8: it wasn't just the idea of protecting domestic industries, but

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Speaker 8: it was also a revenue generating mechanism for the federal government.

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Speaker 8: And one of the reasons, to be frank, why people

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Speaker 8: did not want an income tax is because they felt

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Speaker 8: that government by needs would be small and manageable. The

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Speaker 8: federal government would be if it relied on tariff income

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Speaker 8: rather than everybody paying a percentage of their wages. That

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Speaker 8: was never envisioned by the founders, but tariffs were pretty

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Speaker 8: much part and parcel of the American project until about

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Speaker 8: nineteen sixteen, and then all of a sudden we substituted

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Speaker 8: them with this vast new influx of the IRS and

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Speaker 8: income tax revenue. And then people said, well, they're kind

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Speaker 8: of obsolete now. But they were designed both to fund

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Speaker 8: the federal government, but the small federal government, and also

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Speaker 8: to protect vulnerable industries. But remember what the opposition is saying, Charlie,

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Speaker 8: the free but not fair opposition. They're saying, well, we

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Speaker 8: believe that free trade must be maintained.

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Speaker 9: At all costs, without exception.

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Speaker 8: And when you say it hurts Americans, Americans lose jobs

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Speaker 8: in American industries or offshort or outsource. They say, no, no,

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Speaker 8: it doesn't matter, because the subsidies of our foreign governments

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Speaker 8: are not sustainable if they're dumping product here below the

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Speaker 8: cost of production.

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Speaker 9: And we found that not to be true.

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Speaker 8: China has been fine doing it for almost a half century.

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Speaker 8: Then they said, well, it lowers consumer prices because you're

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Speaker 8: bringing in cheap stuff that domestic people have to adjust to.

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Speaker 8: That may or may not be true. But if the

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Speaker 8: other side is being subsect dies and your own producers

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Speaker 8: are not being subsidized, then it's a way to put

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Speaker 8: people into bankrupt And I can attest for that as somebody.

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Speaker 9: Who farmed during the Reagan period when EU.

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Speaker 8: Agricultural products produced was subsidized and dumped in this country,

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Speaker 8: and we were told that that was good for us

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Speaker 8: because it would make us more efficient.

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Speaker 9: And that's the third fallacy. They say, well, if.

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Speaker 8: You allow foreign stuff to come in without a tariff,

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Speaker 8: even though it's being produced below the cost of production,

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Speaker 8: then you're going to have to compete with it, and

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Speaker 8: that'll make you lean and mean. But there's only a

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Speaker 8: certain point where you can compete when you're losing money.

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Speaker 8: So it's a deliberate policy that I'm speaking as a conservative,

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Speaker 8: but a lot of the libertarians believe that even the

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Speaker 8: most abusive tariff asymmetrical tariffs are in the interest of

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Speaker 8: the target, almost as if you get with it or

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Speaker 8: get over it. And it's destroyed the interior of the

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Speaker 8: United States.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it has.

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Speaker 5: And I want to really hone in on a couple

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Speaker 5: things you mentioned there, the first of which is how

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Speaker 5: the libertarian free trade absolutism took over so much of

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Speaker 5: our trade policy and so much of the prevailing dogma

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Speaker 5: of Washington DC. When did that start and why did

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Speaker 5: it largely go unchallenged or checked unchecked from the American

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Speaker 5: right for nearly thirty or forty years, despite the obvious

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Speaker 5: consequences of de industrialization, factory closings, and the fact that

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Speaker 5: we couldn't make anything walk us through kind of how

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Speaker 5: that hyper libertarian view grew.

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Speaker 9: There had been a view.

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Speaker 8: In the nineteen sixties and seventies and eighties. As we remember,

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Speaker 8: in nineteen forty five, there was no China as an

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Speaker 8: industrial power, Russia was destroyed, Europe was completely leveled, to speak,

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Speaker 8: and Japan was destroyed. So we were providing about eighty

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Speaker 8: five percent of the washers, the dryers, even the vehicles,

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Speaker 8: the planes. And that started to end as we subsidized

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Speaker 8: the rebirth of these once powerhouses by letting them send

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Speaker 8: their products in here without a tariff. Either in the

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Speaker 8: case of our allies, that we owed it to them

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Speaker 8: and they would get back on their feet and they

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Speaker 8: wouldn't turn communists, or in the case of places like China,

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Speaker 8: they would be liberal the more.

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Speaker 9: Affluent they got.

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Speaker 8: Affluence was the twin supposedly of consensual government, which didn't

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Speaker 8: turn out to be true. But so we were losing

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Speaker 8: the rust belt in the seventies. And then what happened

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Speaker 8: was I think part of it was during the Reagan

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Speaker 8: administration and the George H. W and the Bill Clinton

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Speaker 8: there was this idea that finance was more important than assembly.

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Speaker 8: Global finance, so why this was the trade was destroying

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Speaker 8: manufacturing and assembly in the middle classes, then the service classes,

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Speaker 8: and I'm talking about insurance and law and media and

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Speaker 8: academia and all sorts of investment we were pretty good at.

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Speaker 8: And now we had, under globalization, not a three hundred

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Speaker 8: million person market at the time. It's six billion, and

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Speaker 8: so these areas. Anybody who could have a product that

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Speaker 8: was globalized and that was mostly in these areas made

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Speaker 8: out like bandits, and they sold it to the middle

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Speaker 8: class by saying, well, you have four oh one k's,

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Speaker 8: so maybe not making what you want, but you've got

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Speaker 8: all this investment now. Because in the high tech as well,

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Speaker 8: you know, we're selling a billion Apple computers or iPhones

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Speaker 8: and this is all good for you. But the problem

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Speaker 8: was if you had muscular labor that could be outsourced

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Speaker 8: or offshore, and it was then it was so they said, well,

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Speaker 8: we're going to provide people with high tech communication devices,

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Speaker 8: social media services, financial services, law services, academy, all that stuff,

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Speaker 8: but the muscles of the United States will be over

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Speaker 8: with and that'll be that's kind of passee.

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Speaker 9: So even in the case of.

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Speaker 8: Agriculture, hold that thought millions of acres were being farmed

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Speaker 8: in Latin America and Asia and industries were offshort outsourced,

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Speaker 8: and the idea was that the middle class. And you

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Speaker 8: could see it when Hillary Clinton went to West Virginia.

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Speaker 3: Fer one second, Hold, I thought, we have to take

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Speaker 3: a break really quick. One second.

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Speaker 5: We'll be right back with the legendary Victor Davis Hansen'll

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Speaker 5: be right back.

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Speaker 1: Democracy lives in light that Charlie Kirkshout.

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Speaker 5: Email us Freedom at Charliekirk dot com and subscribe to

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Speaker 5: our podcast more with Victor Davis Hanson in just a moment.

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Speaker 3: Okay, everybody, welcome back. Victor Davis Hanson's with us.

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Speaker 5: Sorry to cut you off, Please continue. I love this

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Speaker 5: idea on that you were getting into. That it became

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Speaker 5: almost I like the word passe, but it was just

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Speaker 5: not acceptable or desirable to work with one's hands. That

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Speaker 5: upper middle class society, no one wanted the children.

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Speaker 3: No one in.

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Speaker 5: Suburban society wanted their kids to go work construction. The

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Speaker 5: idea was, you're going to go work on a laptop.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna go work as an accountant or an engineer.

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Speaker 5: Upper middle class dogma became that if you had to

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Speaker 5: sweat to make a living, to be a plumber of

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Speaker 5: welder electrician. There's something wrong with you. Go get a

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Speaker 5: four year degree. Please continue on that.

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Speaker 3: Victor, Well, it was.

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Speaker 8: The idea that we were going to be the brain

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Speaker 8: of the world, and the world would be the body,

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Speaker 8: and the body was inferior, and that we were going

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Speaker 8: to make so much money that it would trickle down

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Speaker 8: to everybody in their four on one case and everything.

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Speaker 9: And you saw that the vocabulary adjusted.

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Speaker 8: Joe Biden said that the people had to learn to

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Speaker 8: code if they were miners or something.

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Speaker 9: He always said something the same thing. In West Virginia,

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Speaker 9: we had this.

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Speaker 8: Kind of thinly veiled class disparagement vocabulary, irredeemables, you know, clingers, chomps, dregs, etcetera.

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Speaker 8: So there was a kind of a demonization as if

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Speaker 8: they were the losers of globalization.

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Speaker 9: And there was a geographical element to it.

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Speaker 8: It was in the interior of the United States. Restaurant

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Speaker 8: and then the two Blue Coasts were going to be

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Speaker 8: We're all Stanford, Caltech, carver Dale, Princeton, federal government, big banks,

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Speaker 8: corporate headquarters, Silicon Valley. These were going to be leading

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Speaker 8: in the United States, and we were going to kind

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Speaker 8: of be the tail or, the drag you know, farming, mining,

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Speaker 8: getting your hands dirty, extraction, production, assembly, manufacturing, and it

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Speaker 8: wasn't really necessary. And then of course we started to

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Speaker 8: notice things Charlie that we were producing one warship a

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Speaker 8: year and the China was produce a month and they

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Speaker 8: were producing over two hundred. And during COVID, we looked

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Speaker 8: for our pharmaceuticals, masks, all these things we thought were

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Speaker 8: mundane and trivial, and suddenly these countries were saying, well,

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Speaker 8: we don't know if we're going to ship it to

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Speaker 8: you this week or not. And so we realized that

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Speaker 8: our grandfathers were not stupid, but they wanted to be

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Speaker 8: self sufficient in the stuff of civilization, food, energy, housing, materials, ships,

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Speaker 8: military equipment. And so I think we're kind of we're

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Speaker 8: questioning them that that we thought we were so wealthy

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Speaker 8: that the financial sectors and the globalization was going to

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Speaker 8: carry us, and now suddenly we're thirty seven trillion dollars

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Speaker 8: in debt and people are saying, well, maybe our grandfathers

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Speaker 8: were not that bad off because they were.

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Speaker 9: Producing the stuff that civilization and life needs.

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Speaker 3: So I couldn't agree with that more.

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Speaker 5: And what President Trump is trying to course correct it

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Speaker 5: I suppose I'm going to ask you a speculative question

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Speaker 5: here about two minutes in the segment, Can we become

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Speaker 5: a body not just a brain economy?

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Speaker 3: Is it possible?

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Speaker 8: It is because you see that it's not just a

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Speaker 8: bunch of people mindlessly on an assembly line putting widgets together.

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Speaker 8: It requires the most sophisticated robotics artificial intelligence, and those

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Speaker 8: are areas that we excel in. So when you start

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Speaker 8: to see these people building these huge power plants mostly

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Speaker 8: by natural gas and AI plants, that technology can be

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Speaker 8: married with assembly. So even though we have a fossilized

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Speaker 8: one point six fertility rate, you can get an American

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Speaker 8: and marry him with machines in assembly, in manufacturing, even

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Speaker 8: in things like housing now where you see entire walls

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Speaker 8: made in factories, you know, the studs and everything, and

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Speaker 8: then brought to the site and they're pre assembled. And

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Speaker 8: so we're very innovative, and it's time that we could

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Speaker 8: do both very well. And it's kind of interesting what

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Speaker 8: Trump is doing. He's kind of emulating very quickly the

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Speaker 8: war production board. You know, we were the seventeenth largest

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Speaker 8: army the world at the end of nineteen forty five.

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Speaker 8: We had twelve million people, almost to size the Soviet

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Speaker 8: Union's army, and we had the largest navy in the world,

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Speaker 8: but it was the largest navy in the sense of

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Speaker 8: greater than all the.

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Speaker 9: Navies put together.

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Speaker 8: We built one hundred and forty aircraft carriers of various classifications.

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Speaker 8: And what I'm getting at is what Roosevelt did the socialists.

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Speaker 8: He said, I'm not going to be a socialist anymore.

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Speaker 9: During the war.

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Speaker 8: You Henry Ford, you, Henry Kaiser, you William Knutson. You

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Speaker 8: go out and make bombers and liberty ships and make

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Speaker 8: a profit. But you've got to have the United States interest.

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Speaker 8: And I think that's what Trump's doing with Andresen and

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Speaker 8: David Sachs and even to degrees Zuckerberg and Elon Muskis.

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Speaker 8: I will protect you when the Europeans go after you

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Speaker 8: or the Chinese cheat on you. But I want you

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Speaker 8: to invest here, and I want your abilities to be

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Speaker 8: in service of America. And I want your rockets and

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Speaker 8: your Facebook and your investments and any thing you make

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Speaker 8: create jobs here first. And it's kind of an appeal

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Speaker 8: to a national's patriot, I guess element I think a

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Speaker 8: lot of the billionaire entrepreneurs are starting to.

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Speaker 9: React to him.

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Speaker 3: Hold that thought.

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Speaker 5: Victor Davis Hansen is with us a legend. Subscribe to

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Speaker 5: his newsletter. I read it every morning.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you about it after the break.

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Speaker 17: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm

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Speaker 17: Terrence Bates. Markets around the world are reacting to President

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Speaker 17: Trump's tariffs. So far, US stock markets are tanking, with

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Speaker 17: the NASDAC seeing losses of more than five percent in

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Speaker 17: early trading. In the meantime, Norway's Foreign minister is pushing

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Speaker 17: back against the Trump tariff, saying that he believes the

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Speaker 17: new taxes will hurt NATO allies and may violate Article

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Speaker 17: two of the Alliance, which stresses economic cooperation among allies.

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Speaker 17: In order to avoid conflict, the foreign minister plans to

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Speaker 17: raise the issue with Secretary of State Mark or Rubio

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Speaker 17: during a NATO MEETI in Brussels.

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Speaker 9: Today.

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Speaker 17: Poland's Prime minister is predicting that the terrorists will cut

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Speaker 17: part of his country's gross domestic product, saying it was

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Speaker 17: a quote severe and unpleasant blow because it comes from

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Speaker 17: the closest ally, but we will still survive. And then

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Speaker 17: Spain's Prime minister is chiming in saying that we're once

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Speaker 17: again asking President Trump to reconsider to sit down at

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Speaker 17: the negotiating table with the European Union and also with

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Speaker 17: the rest of the world. In other headlines, New York

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Speaker 17: Mayor Eric Adams has a new lease on life figuratively

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Speaker 17: speaking of course, not only did he see the corruption

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Speaker 17: against him or the corruption case against him be dismissed

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Speaker 17: on Wednesday, he now also believes that he'll win reelection. However,

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Speaker 17: the judge calls the Justice departments rationale for wanting to

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Speaker 17: for wanting the charges against Adams thrown out called troubling, saying,

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Speaker 17: quote everything here smacks of a bargain dismissal of the

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Speaker 17: indictment in exchange for immigration policy concessions question mark. However,

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Speaker 17: the judge went on to dismiss the case without prejudice,

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Speaker 17: meaning the charges can't be brought again after Adams Leave's office.

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Speaker 17: While the Justice Department describes the Adams case as an

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Speaker 17: example of political weaponization and a waste of resources, Adams claims,

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Speaker 17: quote I have always been solely beholden to the people

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Speaker 17: of the City of New York. Amazon could be adding

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Speaker 17: TikTok to its portfolio a Trump administration official says the

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Speaker 17: online retailer put in a bid to buy the Chinese

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Speaker 17: owned social media site before its band, TikTok, is set

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Speaker 17: to go dark in the United States the day after

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Speaker 17: tomorrow unless its Chinese owner, Byte Dance taught ourselves to

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Speaker 17: an approved buyer. President Trump also has the authority to

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Speaker 17: extend the current pause on the apps ban. It's still

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Speaker 17: unclear though, if Byte Dance plans to actually sell TikTok,

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Speaker 17: but a number of potential bidders have come forward over

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Speaker 17: the last several months. That's a quick check of your headlines.

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Speaker 20: I'm Terrence Baits waking up the woke.

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Speaker 3: You should get over that quickly.

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Speaker 1: One brainwashed radical at a time.

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Speaker 10: That's enough.

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Speaker 1: It's the Charlie kirkshow okay.

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Speaker 5: Hillsdale College History, economics, the great works of literature.

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Speaker 3: Did you study these things in school?

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Speaker 5: Probably not, or even if you did, maybe it's time

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Speaker 5: for an enjoyable refresher. Hillsdale College is offering more than

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Speaker 5: forty free online courses, including their newest course on totalitarian novels.

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Speaker 5: In this free eight lecture course, you'll learn from Hillsdale

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Speaker 5: College President Larry arn As. He goes in depth on

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Speaker 5: four novels nineteen eighty four, Brave New World, Darkness at Noon,

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Speaker 5: and That Hideous Strength. Even though these novels were written

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Speaker 5: in the nineteen thirties and forties, they are highly relevant

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Speaker 5: today as they show what a tyrannical government does to

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Speaker 5: human nature. More important, they can show what faith, family,

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Speaker 5: and friends are worth fighting for. Maybe you can read

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Speaker 5: these books, and you've read them a long time ago.

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Speaker 5: Maybe you heard others talk about them and they seem

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Speaker 5: a little intimidating. But Hillsdale College make the most of them.

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Speaker 5: Go to Charlie for Hillsdale dot com. That is Charlie

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Speaker 5: four hill Hillsdale dot com. They are America's greatest college.

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Speaker 5: Charlie for Hillsdale dot com. Victor, do you want to

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Speaker 5: comment on a second for a second on Hillsdale College.

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Speaker 5: I know we both share an admiration of them. You're

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Speaker 5: a visiting lecturer there, are you not?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I've been there for twenty one years in the fall,

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Speaker 8: and I'm going to give the graduation speech in May

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Speaker 8: May tenth, so I'm looking forward to it. It's a

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Speaker 8: wonderful place. First day I got there, I noticed two

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Speaker 8: things that nobody locked their bike up.

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Speaker 9: And there wasn't one book in the.

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Speaker 8: Bookstore that had a dash studies, No environmental studies, gender studies.

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Speaker 9: Radis studies.

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01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:38,520
Speaker 8: It was all regular courses of the old style math, science, literature, history, philosophy.

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Speaker 5: And if I remember correctly, I could be wrong, but

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Speaker 5: I'm drawing from memory of one of your lectures or

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Speaker 5: articles that you might have been at Hillsdale or in

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01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 5: Michigan riding your bike or something, and you saw Trump

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01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 5: flags in twenty sixteen and you saw some indicator.

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Speaker 3: Is that? Am I am I remembering correctly?

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Speaker 9: Yeah. I came back and wrote a columns and I

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01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 9: think he's a win, because that's right.

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Speaker 3: I remember this.

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Speaker 8: I saw them everywhere, and I saw a guy painting

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Speaker 8: the side of his barn. I got off and I

1364
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 8: thought somebody was vandalizing it. I didn't see the Trump,

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Speaker 8: just part of the tea. I ran over there and he.

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Speaker 9: Was very nice.

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Speaker 8: He just said, I can do whatever I want to

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Speaker 8: my blank blank barn. And I said, well, what are

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Speaker 8: you doing that. I'm curious. He said, I'm painting the

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Speaker 8: word Trump. So that was that was I thought he

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Speaker 8: had a chance. I really did, and I wrote that

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Speaker 8: because I saw and here where I live in the

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Speaker 8: Sanwakin Valley, a lot of Hispanic males, especially even as

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Speaker 8: early as twenty sixteen. I was a stunned that so

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Speaker 8: many of them and building construction, agriculture were going to

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Speaker 8: vote Trump for a variety of reasons.

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Speaker 5: That's a good segue to something you mentioned previously. You're

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01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 5: different than most intellectuals, philosophers and historians and professors. You

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Speaker 5: work with your hands. You are a farmer. It's not

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01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 5: just some hobby. It's not something you do for social media.

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Speaker 5: You don't run a TikTok account where you do it

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Speaker 5: for likes. You enjoy being in contact with the earth,

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Speaker 5: if you have been your entire life. There is a

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Speaker 5: fair amount of angst and anxiety in the farmer community

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Speaker 5: right now about these tariffs.

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Speaker 3: I know you touched on this previously.

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Speaker 5: I was at Oklahoma State University in Stillwater, Oklahoma a

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Speaker 5: couple days ago, and a couple of farmers came up

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Speaker 5: and they were all Trump guys wearing Trump gear, and

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Speaker 5: they were very worried. They said that these terriffs very

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Speaker 5: well might raise the price of equipment coming in, that

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Speaker 5: they might not be able to export their goods. Please,

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Speaker 5: as a farmer, give us your take on Trump's tariff announcement.

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Speaker 3: How should we think about this?

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Speaker 8: Well, it's I think the way to look at is

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Speaker 8: long term and short term. Almost every country that we

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Speaker 8: export with we're running a deficit with. I mean in

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Speaker 8: terms of now as a farmer, and say almonds with India,

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Speaker 8: and they have tariffs and they're very tough people. So

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Speaker 8: if they retaliate, the easiest thing they're going to do

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Speaker 8: is say we're not going to allow almonds in without

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Speaker 8: a forty percent And they already have tariffs but not

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01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 8: that high. But long term, if you were able to

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Speaker 8: achieve parody and we took a short term hit, and

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Speaker 8: you were able to tell India and China and the Europeans,

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Speaker 8: we're not going to let in this this this unless

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Speaker 8: you let our soybeans or our almonds or cheese in

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Speaker 8: at the same rate that we let yours in, it

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01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 8: would be it would be kind of fantastic, It really would.

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Speaker 8: And then I don't know to the degree which he

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Speaker 8: is going to retaliate by putting tariffs on imported food stuffs.

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Speaker 8: The United States is a lot. It's not the largest

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Speaker 8: producer of export food and volume, but it is in

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Speaker 8: value that's pretty amazing when you think we only have

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Speaker 8: three hundred and thirty five million forty million, and China's

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Speaker 8: got one point four billion. But so what I'm getting

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Speaker 8: at is half of everything we produce we sell abroad,

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Speaker 8: and it's very pricey. It's things like high volume pistachios

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Speaker 8: that are worth a lot of money, or walnuts or

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Speaker 8: processed cheese, things like that. It's not just grain, which

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Speaker 8: is essential corn or sorghum, but we have a lot

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Speaker 8: of really specialty crops that the world likes, and people

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Speaker 8: are paranoid about that, especially because you can live without

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Speaker 8: almonds and you can live without pistachios. So if they

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Speaker 8: think that they're going to hurt a particular sector of

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Speaker 8: the American and that's what they do. They when they

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Speaker 8: negotiate with Trump, they look at particular.

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Speaker 9: Red state or areas.

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Speaker 8: That are his supporters and that they want to target

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Speaker 8: that type of commodity for these small towns and rural areas.

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Speaker 5: The farmer base overwhelmingly supported President Trump, and I believe

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Speaker 5: long term it is going to they're going to have

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Speaker 5: incredible prosperity to also get heavy machinery discounts. I know

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Speaker 5: that the president is looking at that in the upcoming

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Speaker 5: tax bill victory. Also, you mentioned something a little while

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Speaker 5: just previously, you said that you were stunned by how

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Speaker 5: many Hispanics and men were going in President Trump's direction.

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Speaker 5: We are seeing a realignment of political parties. I know

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Speaker 5: you've written extensively about this, where no longer are we

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Speaker 5: divided as much on race, but we are divided instead

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01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 5: really on male, female, and on class. How should we

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Speaker 5: think about the current political divides and how our political

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Speaker 5: parties are realigning.

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Speaker 8: Trump got twenty six percent I think of the black vote,

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Speaker 8: and about fifty five percent of the Hispanic male maybe

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Speaker 8: forty eight in general. So there is a part of

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Speaker 8: that was cultural.

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01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 9: In other words, they like a strong leader.

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01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 8: Biden's mental and physical feebleness bothered them, of course, but

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01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 8: they're also on cultural issues. They don't like the idea

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01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 8: of biological male crime, open.

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01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 9: Borders, especially here, people didn't like.

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Speaker 8: There was also something about I don't want to say macha,

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01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 8: but there was the idea that you want a strong

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01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 8: representative of the United States and embodies our confidence. And

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01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 8: so if somebody they don't like optional military engagements in

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01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 8: the Middle East or anywhere.

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Speaker 9: But if it's more of.

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Speaker 8: A Jacksonian, don't tread on me, but no better friend,

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01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:23,000
Speaker 8: no worse enemy. That type of foreign policy appeals a

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01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,839
Speaker 8: lot to males. But class wise, the idea of bringing

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Speaker 8: jobs back in the United States and having say a

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Speaker 8: worker and a half for every job, I mean two

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Speaker 8: jobs for every worker rather than you know, two workers

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01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 8: for every job is what they want because it makes

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Speaker 8: them more valuable and prize and appreciate it. So this

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Speaker 8: idea when Trump says I brought in three trillion dollars

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Speaker 8: worth of foreign investment and in three years, you know,

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Speaker 8: most economists say for every ten billion dollars, some say twenty,

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Speaker 8: you get a million jobs. So if what he says

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Speaker 8: is correct, you could see thirty or forty fifty million

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Speaker 8: jobs in the next decade.

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Speaker 9: And that appeals to people.

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Speaker 8: They'll say, you know what, I can be a machine

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01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 8: operator and I'll have three or four offers rather than

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01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 8: have to go beg and humiliate myself to work at

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01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 8: minimum wage part time. So it's kind of like a

1478
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 8: can do we all want. We want to get the

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Speaker 8: country movie, we want to be pre eminent in every field.

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Speaker 8: Military food, oil, gas, everything and that that appeals to

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Speaker 8: I think men in a strange way.

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Speaker 5: So as a historian, how would you judge President Trump's

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Speaker 5: We're almost at one hundred days, his first hundred days

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Speaker 5: versus Obama and that of the twentieth century. He has

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Speaker 5: accomplished quite a lot, signed a ton of executive orders.

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Speaker 3: How would you look at.

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Speaker 5: What President Trump has been able to do in such

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Speaker 5: a short period of time.

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Speaker 8: Well, he's a counter revolutionary, so he's mapped out his

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Speaker 8: counter revolution and he's got, as you know, more lower

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01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 8: district court injunctions in the first two months than any

1492
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 8: president I mean then Biden had in four years, or

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01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 8: any other president. So they are trying to do everything

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01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 8: they can to stop him, and we're right at the abyss.

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01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 8: But if he should do just four or five things,

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01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 8: achieve a piece in the Ukraine, a peace in the

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Speaker 8: Middle East, and make a ran inert in nuclear terms,

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01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 8: get somewhat symmetry or parody in trade. And if he

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Speaker 8: can cut even a half a billion dollar a half

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01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 8: a trillion and get on a trajectory within three years,

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01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:42,679
Speaker 8: we're going to have a balanced budget. Just those things

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01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 8: alone would make him more successful than any president in

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01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 8: the last half century, at least, no I a Republican

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01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:54,000
Speaker 8: has ever tried that. Reagan, George HW, George w. They

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01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 8: all said the same thing. You know, we're going to

1506
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 8: slow down the cultural We're not going to stop it.

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01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 8: We're going to slow the growth of government. We're not

1508
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 8: going to cut it. We're going to look at deregulation

1509
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 8: and taxes, but we're gonna not talk about trade. So

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01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 8: they knew that if they were to do they wanted,

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01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 8: probably some of them to do what Trump did. But

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01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 8: if they did do what Trump, they would meet a

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01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 8: level of resistance that they thought would be incompatible, either

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01:23:20,400 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 8: socially or culture. They just didn't want to handle that,

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01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 8: and they got a lot of resistance as it was.

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01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:29,360
Speaker 8: But I think something about Trump's temperament or background, or

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01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 8: attitude or outlook makes him invulnerable or oblivious or protected

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01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:36,719
Speaker 8: from social probium.

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Speaker 9: He didn't care.

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Speaker 3: It really is. He's a political marvel. Victor.

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Speaker 5: You wrote extensively for the last couple of years when

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Speaker 5: Biden was president on the mass chaos on the southern border.

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Speaker 5: Can we just comment for a couple of minutes on

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Speaker 5: how quickly President Trump has been able to seal the

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Speaker 5: southern border. It is we have grown accustomed to crises

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Speaker 5: go on for five, ten, fifteen years. Think about it,

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Speaker 5: COVID and the lockdowns, and the two thousand and eight

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Speaker 5: war on drugs. Never before in my lifetime have I

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Speaker 5: seen something go from crisis to non issue in under

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I mean, they told us that you had to have

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Speaker 8: comprehensive immigration reform, which was basically amnesty in their view,

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Speaker 8: and if you didn't, you couldn't close the border. And

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Speaker 8: he understood that the border was open because they wanted

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Speaker 8: the border open, and they wanted twelve million people in here,

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Speaker 8: both for cheap labor and for future political constituents and

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Speaker 8: for larger federal programs.

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Speaker 9: Greater taxes, more redistribution.

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Speaker 8: And he just simply said, if you obey the law,

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Speaker 8: and that means you fortify the border and you secure it,

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Speaker 8: and you turn people back and there's no catching release

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Speaker 8: and no refugee status once you're here, but you have

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Speaker 8: to do it. You could stop it and create More importantly,

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Speaker 8: that's psychological sense of deterrence. And when he started to

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Speaker 8: if you come across the border illegally, you can't come

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Speaker 8: back for ten years. That was very brilliant because it

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Speaker 8: told people, oh, I'm here and these people are serious.

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Speaker 8: They might catch me, and then I can't come back legally.

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Speaker 8: So you're actually seeing a little bit of reverse immigration.

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Speaker 8: I think they really need to enhance that because it's

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Speaker 8: something people had talked about in the past, but they

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Speaker 5: Davis Hanson concludes the hour with us. So, Victor, I

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Speaker 5: have a difficult question, one that I have not heard

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Speaker 5: you answer. What do you think that the Trump administration

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Speaker 5: could be doing better right now?

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Speaker 9: I think they can. The messaging I think could be improved.

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Speaker 8: I would get a little bit more tragic than Raggaedacco.

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Speaker 8: In other words, I wouldn't have a chainsaw when I'm cutting.

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Speaker 8: I would say something along the following. I don't like

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Speaker 8: laying people off. I don't like the idea of getting

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Speaker 8: in arguments with Canada. But and I'm willing to hear things.

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Speaker 8: But I didn't start this. I didn't open the border.

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Speaker 8: I didn't let in twelve million people. I didn't run

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Speaker 8: up thirty seven trillion dollars. I didn't have to get

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Speaker 8: us into three billion in interest a year. I don't

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Speaker 8: like any of that, but I'm the one that's tasked

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Speaker 8: with fixing all this, and that sometimes is a rough

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Speaker 8: thing to do, because in this transition, there's going to

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Speaker 8: be people are going to have to change their methods,

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Speaker 8: They're going to lose jobs, and I'm going to try

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Speaker 8: to get as much federal investment as I can three

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Speaker 8: trillion dollars worth. And for every person that we have

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Speaker 8: to eliminate their job, we're going to try to get

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Speaker 8: them something better in the private sector.

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Speaker 9: But I think a.

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Speaker 8: Little bit more of that tone that we didn't ask

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Speaker 8: for this, but if we don't do it, nobody else

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Speaker 8: is going to do it.

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Speaker 9: And they left it.

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Speaker 8: They being the whole progressive agenda and project, and we

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Speaker 8: have to do this and there's no we ran out

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Speaker 8: of time. It was on our watch, our station, our time.

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Speaker 8: This task fell to us. We didn't ask for it,

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Speaker 8: but we're going to complete it. That kind of attitude

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Speaker 8: I think would be a little bit better, or at

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Speaker 8: least explain in detail. But if you just say, you know,

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Speaker 8: we're going to invade Panama or we're going to take

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Speaker 8: you know, Canada should be our fifty for I understand

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Speaker 8: the art of the.

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Speaker 9: Deal, but you've got to We've got.

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Speaker 8: About a ten percent independent conservative democratic constituency that we've

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Speaker 8: got to reassure that things are going to get better.

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Speaker 8: And we're doing this radical things because they were the radicals.

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Speaker 8: We weren't the radicals, were the counter revolutionaries. They were

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Speaker 8: the revolutionaries. We're bringing things back to the normal. They

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Speaker 8: were the ones that took it off the spectrum. That

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Speaker 8: kind of explication very quickly each time they have an

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Speaker 8: important announcement, I think would help.

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Speaker 3: I think that is excellent.

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Speaker 5: In closing here, about two and a half minutes remaining

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Speaker 5: the Russian Ukrainian conflict. It's proving to be even more

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Speaker 5: difficult than we could have imagined to bring this thing

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Speaker 5: to peace. What is your expert analysis of where things stand?

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Speaker 5: And do you think we're going to enter another summer

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Speaker 5: of killing?

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Speaker 9: I hope no. It's worse than Stalingrad.

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Speaker 8: I think everybody understands, they don't want to admit, they

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Speaker 8: all understand the contours of a peace. They're not going

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Speaker 8: to get the donbas In Crimea back Ukraine, no president

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Speaker 8: ever advocated it. They're not going to be a NATO.

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Speaker 8: But on the other hand, they've got the biggest army

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Speaker 8: of any NATO country, and they're well armed to the chief,

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Speaker 8: and they've killed or wounded tragically a million Russians, and

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Speaker 8: so Russia the only thing, the only point in contention

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Speaker 8: is how far west does Putin think he can get?

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Speaker 8: In other words, how far can you push him back

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Speaker 8: east from his embarkation point.

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Speaker 9: That's negotiable.

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Speaker 8: So if you give them guarantees that they can defend themselves,

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Speaker 8: then I think we see the piece. All we're doing

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Speaker 8: now is that every time we criticize Putin's, Zolenski gets

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Speaker 8: on his hind legs and says, I.

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Speaker 9: Want to be back in NATO. I want more money.

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Speaker 8: And every time we criticize him, Putin says this, but

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Speaker 8: that's that's normal. That's the ying and yang of a

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Speaker 8: peace negotiation. So the difficult part's been done. We all

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Speaker 8: know the contours of the piece. It's just convincing both

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Speaker 8: of them they're both better off now than later. We

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Speaker 8: don't need to have another five hundred thousand people named

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Speaker 8: or killed to do what we could do right now.

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Speaker 5: Victor Davis Hanson, check out Victor Hanson dot com and

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Speaker 5: become a paid member.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time.

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Speaker 9: Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Charlie email us free him at Charlie kirk dot com.

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