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Speaker 1: Who's my dog? Who my real dog? Who fucked up
Speaker 1: UCLA's hopes and dreams?
Speaker 2: It ain't been the same since that ship was over
Speaker 2: twenty seven years ago.
Speaker 1: Come on there, Welcome.
Speaker 2: To the show, twenty twenty. Hall of Famer egrimnd James Man.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Brot Jacket. Yeah, that's real.
Speaker 2: From gold Teeth to Go, I mean, speak to that
Speaker 2: that line right there and what that meant to you
Speaker 2: and symbolized na.
Speaker 1: It just summarized everything. You know.
Speaker 4: It's like a lot of stories run parallel, everybody coming
Speaker 4: from certain situations, but they all kind of mirror each other.
Speaker 1: And it's the same thing saying from rags to riches.
Speaker 4: You know, it's just me telling my story, me sitting
Speaker 4: up there, going into a space where it was uncoming.
Speaker 4: Nobody was used to somebody coming in from South Florida,
Speaker 4: dreads gold teeth and back in the day, everybody used
Speaker 4: to conform, And for me, I just always, you know,
Speaker 4: I felt best at being myself, keeping me one hunding
Speaker 4: with myself first first, and then understanding the overall.
Speaker 1: The overall was, I'm here to.
Speaker 4: Play ball, you know, and anybody that understands business understands
Speaker 4: that all the outside stuff is irrelevant if you're getting
Speaker 4: a job done. And I always kept the main thing,
Speaker 4: the main thing. Every time, you know, I just go
Speaker 4: out there, I'm gonna go play ball. But then when
Speaker 4: the season i'm gonna get missing, I'm gonna get back
Speaker 4: to my comfort zone. So that's been the story, and
Speaker 4: that's been one of the kind of methods I use
Speaker 4: to make sure I stayed locked in love.
Speaker 2: It rush for twelve and forty six yards ninety one
Speaker 2: touchdowns led the league in rushing each of your first
Speaker 2: two seasons. Only one of four runners to at least
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred yards in those campaigns, the other three the
Speaker 2: Great Barry Sanders, Eric Dickerson, and Walter Payne. We're gonna
Speaker 2: get into everything but house life currently. Was you just
Speaker 2: mentioned that you're doing a podcast that's kind of getting
Speaker 2: you out of your comfort zone a little bit.
Speaker 1: But what's going on with your life right now? Life's good, man.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like I got them six kids.
Speaker 4: I got five that's either been through closet or graduate
Speaker 4: and I got the last one my dog or you know, Jesse,
Speaker 4: he rocked out with just But like like me, I
Speaker 4: tell tech prior to being a parent, you know, So
Speaker 4: I wanted to make sure that I lock in and
Speaker 4: make that my whole focus once I got through playing ball.
Speaker 4: So my goal is to be six for six, put
Speaker 4: six great people out into this world, and you know,
Speaker 4: hopefully they able to reach back and keep that thing
Speaker 4: going with the next generation or anybody encounter. So, you know,
Speaker 4: especially like being an African American or being black, you know,
Speaker 4: you always got the stigma and you might not have
Speaker 4: kids in the same house, But that don't mean you
Speaker 4: can't be a father, you know. So it's like me,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna show you that anything that is
Speaker 4: perceived as negative, I'm gonna turn it into a positive.
Speaker 4: And so I'm gonna have them kids rocking out doing
Speaker 4: doing what they're supposed to do and make him become.
Speaker 3: Independent yeah, his son Jessel James played in the Offson
Speaker 3: game last year, and he wasn't he was playing in
Speaker 3: the twenty four K game.
Speaker 1: At first.
Speaker 3: He played so good in the twenty four K game,
Speaker 3: he played in the Iverson game, ended up starting in
Speaker 3: the Iverson game. N He's in Cincinnati, so and during
Speaker 3: that time, you know, he didn't know I had a
Speaker 3: relationship with his pops. So during that time I called him.
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I've got a relationship with your pops.
Speaker 3: I'm telling he, like, man, your pop's cool. He didn't
Speaker 3: believe it. So I was able to help him doing
Speaker 3: that process in the Iverson game. Now he shined it
Speaker 3: us Cincinnati. Shout out to my boy Jise. That's my
Speaker 3: dog man.
Speaker 2: I got six and one on the running. I'm about
Speaker 2: to have seven come seven come summertime.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: So it's a blessing and I love to hear that because,
Speaker 2: like I said, there's so many stigmas on black fathers
Speaker 2: and what we can and can't do and what we're
Speaker 2: capable of. But like you said, there ain't no excuses.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be a father. You're gonna be a father,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna make good people.
Speaker 4: Not just good athletes exactly, put some good people out
Speaker 4: of the world.
Speaker 1: Man. So you and Stack, how y'all meet? What's your
Speaker 1: first interaction time? You mean, tell them about it? We
Speaker 1: made it three one seven cool man.
Speaker 4: He handled the basketball, I handed the football, and we
Speaker 4: met him every night every night in the club out
Speaker 4: and the beauty of it this man, like everybody enjoying
Speaker 4: each other's success.
Speaker 1: We're all growing, we're all young.
Speaker 4: Were all learning, you know, at the same time. And
Speaker 4: who better to learn with somebody then somebody is actually
Speaker 4: going through the same things you're going through. So we
Speaker 4: and that on stay forever. Everywhere I see Stack is
Speaker 4: always I don't never want to.
Speaker 3: Hear that basketball and football players don't get along because.
Speaker 1: We did every night every night. We did it every
Speaker 1: night in atoime Bro now the college, but we did
Speaker 1: it every night. Now different. But when you get to
Speaker 1: the pros, it's like you made it. Ain't no conditions
Speaker 1: on you. It's it's a smaller fraternity when it comes
Speaker 1: to the pros. Man. If you come to these these
Speaker 1: new cities, man.
Speaker 4: It's like you gotta link up, you know, and like,
Speaker 4: and then you're talking about going to support you at
Speaker 4: them I'm at them pacer games. You know, you're out there,
Speaker 4: but it's a difference when your dog on the court.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's totally different.
Speaker 3: And we grew up, we know, like when you are
Speaker 3: to know, man, when you see somebody grew up like us,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, even if they're playing football,
Speaker 3: y'all relate off that first.
Speaker 1: Then when you find out.
Speaker 3: Everybody real ones or it just go off from that.
Speaker 1: Only makes it better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, house it being a hoop dad though, you know
Speaker 3: we talked about we're talking about Jizzle just got to
Speaker 3: get a chance.
Speaker 1: To go to the league. Man.
Speaker 3: And you know from you play with him, he's he's
Speaker 3: basically a running back playing basketball though. That's what Jesu
Speaker 3: Will is. But how do how do you feel about
Speaker 3: him his success in basketball? Did you want him to
Speaker 3: play basketball? I wish I could have played basketball, like.
Speaker 4: Like my first love. Like, but I just all I
Speaker 4: had was a strong right and no left.
Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of people that made him leave wonder. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's like so like football was easy
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 4: It's like you got to make a business decision, which
Speaker 4: one do you gravitate to and then you fast forward.
Speaker 4: You know, Ji three four you mom, you just send
Speaker 4: a little clip to him shooting the basketball. And he
Speaker 4: really loved the game, and I'm like, shit, I got
Speaker 4: to relive what I wish I would have done, you know.
Speaker 4: So it's like so and I always we used to
Speaker 4: always practice with the basketball players and get out there
Speaker 4: on the court with like, man, the basketball player they
Speaker 4: soft because.
Speaker 1: You just run they come playing.
Speaker 4: I'm like, so, I'm like, man, if I can create
Speaker 4: something that's tough like a football player like basketball, but
Speaker 4: the skill like a basketball player, I think that would
Speaker 4: be the perfect combination. You did that and you know,
Speaker 4: just a six two sixty three, So it got skilled.
Speaker 4: But he got that toughness, a toughness, and so if
Speaker 4: you put that in there, then you can go because
Speaker 4: like even when he was growing up with training, it's
Speaker 4: like you can't call foul like we through you know,
Speaker 4: like we can't.
Speaker 1: You just got to play through it.
Speaker 4: And if you if you can master that, you can
Speaker 4: play this game.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Football is my first love, and maybe to the league
Speaker 2: in basketball, but I felt like I was a football
Speaker 2: player the whole time.
Speaker 1: And then different got to be tough, definitely different.
Speaker 3: Dion gave him is probles when we had Deon, Like
Speaker 3: he didn't see a lot of guys the mother sports
Speaker 3: talk about playing football, but he felt like he know
Speaker 3: that Matt really had a career.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he had really had a career in football.
Speaker 3: Yeah, say what you want the tapes don't lie, don't lie.
Speaker 3: How did you come into the podcast space, started your
Speaker 3: podcast Create the Life?
Speaker 4: Well, it's just you know, it's like sometimes you step
Speaker 4: outside of your comfort zone. But for me, it's just
Speaker 4: another way to reach back, give information. It's like I'm
Speaker 4: not going to force something on people, but you always
Speaker 4: ask questions. You know, you got all these It's like
Speaker 4: I look at it as another form of mentoring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you get this kind of mentor to.
Speaker 4: People who you couldn't read, Like me, I like, I
Speaker 4: like to read books. I like to set up there
Speaker 4: and try to always get one up on whatever situation.
Speaker 4: And so you look to situations or you look to
Speaker 4: people and you start saying, Okay, that's how I can
Speaker 4: reach them. So I say, this is the way I
Speaker 4: can reach people. Even with I wrote the book Gold Cheat,
Speaker 4: the Gold Jacket. You know that was I can't reach
Speaker 4: every athlete. I can't talk to these young kids that
Speaker 4: that's in another city or another town or whatever. But
Speaker 4: if they go pick up this material and get them
Speaker 4: some insight. You know, a book can take you places
Speaker 4: that you.
Speaker 1: Too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it actually introduce you to people that you
Speaker 4: can't really get a chance to meet in person. And
Speaker 4: so I think that's a good thing in mine is
Speaker 4: you know, it's based on five pillars mindset, self mastery,
Speaker 4: financial freedom, community, networking, and lifestyle leader. I think that
Speaker 4: pretty much covers everything, and it's all on some positive
Speaker 4: vibes like I don't like I ain't never I ain't
Speaker 4: never get it, I ain't never get ahead, you know,
Speaker 4: cutting corners or doing nothing negative. Everything I've done with
Speaker 4: doing it the right way, and I've been winning none stop.
Speaker 1: I'm scared to do something wrong because I've been winning
Speaker 1: too long the time. Yeah, just stay solid, But then
Speaker 1: you're showing other people that, man, you could do things
Speaker 1: the right way.
Speaker 4: You can stay positive, you can remove all that negative stuff,
Speaker 4: and you're gonna see how much better you feel and
Speaker 4: how much farther you go.
Speaker 1: Portfolio includes gentlemen clubs.
Speaker 3: As we both like you know, you know being you
Speaker 3: both love restaurants, real estate more. If I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 3: were you involved with some type of tour putting tours
Speaker 3: together or someone.
Speaker 1: That what point you just try to get in this.
Speaker 4: But like like I think, like you know, when you
Speaker 4: once you start, you know, you play ball, you what
Speaker 4: you want to do. Now you're going to another space,
Speaker 4: but something that you gravitate too. And a lot of
Speaker 4: the time when they said, man, you you involved with
Speaker 4: strip clubs, they always gonna take the negative approach.
Speaker 1: But that's that's where you meet everybody. That's where everybody hanged.
Speaker 3: That's the kicket spot, my best.
Speaker 5: Yeah, everybody, everybody know, everybody gonna be there, everybody gonna hang.
Speaker 1: But it's the cool stuff to do.
Speaker 4: And then you also like you ain't and you're not
Speaker 4: there going for bad you know, you're with good intentions
Speaker 4: and you having a good time.
Speaker 1: Like imagine if people would just be and not.
Speaker 4: Worried about And I can't do this because my job,
Speaker 4: it's so many people hiding going through the back door
Speaker 4: of the club. Man, You're like, man, y'all, you take
Speaker 4: it too many steps. Man, go straight to the front door. Man,
Speaker 4: be you and be you. I'm telling you life, man,
Speaker 4: people gonna accept you.
Speaker 1: Man. The world is wide open. You can be whatever
Speaker 1: you want to be.
Speaker 3: I've owned clubs, but I've never owned a strip club,
Speaker 3: and I can imagine it's probably good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 3: See if I did, I just want to be a
Speaker 3: part of one thing, the hiring process.
Speaker 4: But then you get then you're gonna get into your
Speaker 4: type and they're gonna be your type.
Speaker 1: You won't forget about everybody.
Speaker 2: You don't advanced that he thinking of something whole the lee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna behave this is your type. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, why this girl don't work no more?
Speaker 3: Steve, Steve fell out man, the kidnapped the game up
Speaker 3: a proposition you could refuse.
Speaker 1: Jackon got it pregnant rare. He went to the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame, went to the Hall of Fame ceremony, and the.
Speaker 3: Seventy five rag top Chevy Caprice as you supposed to
Speaker 3: real Florida ship. Yeah, what are the class? What other
Speaker 3: classes do you own? And then uh, did Jim or
Speaker 3: say buy you one? Buy you that one?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: As far as classic cars, you know, I got like
Speaker 4: we always had the don't the Chevyes. You know, I
Speaker 4: grew up having them, you know, and that was like
Speaker 4: that's a popular thing. So that was my way of
Speaker 4: putting a stamp on the Hall of Fame, bringing South
Speaker 4: Florida tour. You know, like every every everywhere I've been,
Speaker 4: I brought South Florida, the family. I brought who I
Speaker 4: was with me and you know, you see it in
Speaker 4: my approach and what I do, and that's my comfort zone.
Speaker 1: That what makes it easy. So you know, I would
Speaker 1: once I found out they had a.
Speaker 4: Parade, and I was like, I didn't want to just
Speaker 4: be riding on some type of convertible.
Speaker 1: Like, man, it's a big moment. Man, I got to
Speaker 1: you got to represent for the people.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like the dreads that go because it's
Speaker 4: like it means a lot, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: to be able to reach back and show people that
Speaker 4: it's possible your way. Yeah, this stigma is that, man,
Speaker 4: you got to you got to walk the straight line.
Speaker 4: No man, you go play ball, stay out the way,
Speaker 4: do things the right way, and you can go. That's
Speaker 4: why you see that gold You see the Gold team,
Speaker 4: you see the bus, you see everything with the dreads,
Speaker 4: you see the car, So that was all part of it.
Speaker 4: But I've always been into them cars. And as far
Speaker 4: as mister I called him the Big Man, he always
Speaker 4: man big Man, like he like one of the greatest man.
Speaker 1: Know.
Speaker 4: He he bought me a rose Ross you know that
Speaker 4: were riding on the car. He was like, Man, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna get you whatever type of car. I'm like, you bullshit.
Speaker 4: But then again then it goes back to like I'm
Speaker 4: a principal person, you know. I'm like, I ain't gonna
Speaker 4: just go get something. I want to get myself. I
Speaker 4: had already had a Fanom, and I was like, man,
Speaker 4: when I get myself together and the time is right,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get me a get me a.
Speaker 1: I had the Fannel, which one I had to I
Speaker 1: had the Ghost, the Ghost. I had the Ghost.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm so, I said, Man, I always
Speaker 4: wanted to get the Fantom. I said, I wanted to
Speaker 4: get the Fannom. Later on, once I you know, slow.
Speaker 1: Down, that's the big Boy. Yeah, that's the big Boy.
Speaker 1: And the Big Man came through and bought the Big Boy.
Speaker 4: You know. It's just crazy man like manifesting things and
Speaker 4: things just happened on their own but doing things the
Speaker 4: right way. Man, people see you, man, and then the
Speaker 4: man on top always shine the kids.
Speaker 1: So I ain't never worried.
Speaker 3: Yeah, speak on your childhood now, don't make me uh
Speaker 3: say it wrong.
Speaker 1: Mockley Yeah, Mockley Yeah.
Speaker 3: A small agriculture town ninety minutes northwest of Miami.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like Mackley's Bottom. It's small town, South Florida, and
Speaker 4: football is everything.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like it's one of those places where like people
Speaker 4: come to work and they'll migrate like it's not it's
Speaker 4: like a lot of medskins, Haitians, blacks.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of whites, you know.
Speaker 4: So, but you're growing up in the same area as Naples,
Speaker 4: which is you know, that's one of the richest cities
Speaker 4: per capita in the US.
Speaker 1: So you get a.
Speaker 4: Chance to see you get a chance to see things,
Speaker 4: You get a chance to dream and believe it, like, man,
Speaker 4: this stuff possible because you're right there. And so you know,
Speaker 4: it was like it was the perfect upbringing because it
Speaker 4: gives you a great appreciation for when you make that
Speaker 4: hour in some trip to miam or you go somewhere else,
Speaker 4: you go to another city.
Speaker 1: You like, man, like we really had the grind. We
Speaker 1: really had to do things to make.
Speaker 4: It out, and you have to keep a discipline because
Speaker 4: it's easy to stay in that small town mindset. It's
Speaker 4: easy to set up there and just be comfortable with
Speaker 4: whatever whatever everybody.
Speaker 1: Else is doing.
Speaker 3: How vital that was for your mom to tell you
Speaker 3: that I'm not buying you gifts because she was your wholewitness,
Speaker 3: because every day was a gift.
Speaker 1: I think that helped you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like when you when you're young, you don't really understand.
Speaker 1: You don't understand it. You don't understand you as you
Speaker 1: get older.
Speaker 4: As you get older, man, it's like it's like one
Speaker 4: of the greatest gifts because of the fact that you're
Speaker 4: like man, like, I don't like I don't value all
Speaker 4: that material stuff, so you can't move me. You can't
Speaker 4: trick me with all that stuff right there, you know.
Speaker 4: And then I don't have bad days. You know, I
Speaker 4: don't have bad days because I know every day it's
Speaker 4: a good day. And I think, you know, as parents
Speaker 4: don't realize the importance of planting seeds. They started planting
Speaker 4: those seeds at an early age, and it carries over,
Speaker 4: you know, it carried like my mom used to one time,
Speaker 4: she's just like you remember Popeye's remember the cartoon Popeye.
Speaker 1: My mom and she would go make some spinach and ship,
Speaker 1: you know, like you do that. I all believe that.
Speaker 4: And then after you this spinish you say, you flex
Speaker 4: your muscle, and then it's like for your muscle on
Speaker 4: got so big.
Speaker 1: I was really believing we all because of Popeye. Bro.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like and then now you're like, and then
Speaker 4: so but you actually it's something good for you. And
Speaker 4: now you've incorporated that into like your lifestyle, and then
Speaker 4: you start believing, you start believing. So you know, I
Speaker 4: plant seeds all the time. And my kids, you know,
Speaker 4: always tell them they the greatest. Always tell them, Okay,
Speaker 4: yeah you can be this, you can do that. But
Speaker 4: it's realistic too. But I also lay out, you know,
Speaker 4: the pitfalls stuff like, look, you can do this, you
Speaker 4: can do it, speaking of you can make it, but
Speaker 4: if you stay around that circle, you stand around us
Speaker 4: when you ain't gonna make it, and it's just cut
Speaker 4: and dry, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Then you're gonna sit back and you're gonna live and regret.
Speaker 4: And so I'm telling you personally, like you can physically
Speaker 4: make it. You know, you got the tools, but if
Speaker 4: you don't make it, I want you to look at it.
Speaker 4: And even even they circle, I tell them, I said,
Speaker 4: I want each one of y'all, whoever, go go get
Speaker 4: the weed hand, the weed man, go get to this.
Speaker 1: Go get to that.
Speaker 4: I want y'all to sit back and say, man, I'm
Speaker 4: responsible for this kid not making it, because I'm never
Speaker 4: gonna tell one of my kids or anybody's kid to
Speaker 4: do something that's not gonna push them in the direction
Speaker 4: that they're going. But I'm not gonna sit up here
Speaker 4: and be battling with you all day. I'm gonna give
Speaker 4: you the information.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: You want to hang with them, that's what you do.
Speaker 4: You want to sit around a bunch of people who
Speaker 4: ain't got nothing going, that's you. But I don't want
Speaker 4: to hear it later on. And that's that's the beauty
Speaker 4: of our position. You know, I'm still outside, so I'm
Speaker 4: I ain't like somebody that's out the loot. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm outside, uh, and I'm paying attention and everything.
Speaker 1: I'm watching everything. I'm watching.
Speaker 4: The moves stand in tune with every generation, so we're
Speaker 4: seeing the moves. You know, and it's like and that
Speaker 4: was when I talked to d on them team. I
Speaker 4: had had to give a speech, and you know, part
Speaker 4: of it was you lived like Ford, but you understand
Speaker 4: it backwards and all us as elders like, look, but
Speaker 4: we're trying to tell you. But if you want to
Speaker 4: be hard headed and go for that man, that's on you.
Speaker 4: You're not You're not about to mess up my days.
Speaker 3: I think about boys in the Hood when Ricky played
Speaker 3: the VHA tape of his highlights when they're.
Speaker 1: You gonna see did you there? Was that the same
Speaker 1: type of moment when you've seen that Walter Payton VHS.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like like man, when I used to see that
Speaker 4: Walter Payton vhas man, that was like playing those seeds early.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't and like for me, it's like
Speaker 4: I was younger, but I was bigger than everybody, so
Speaker 4: I'd always play up. And then when you plan up,
Speaker 4: you know, you playing like it's a difference between eleven
Speaker 4: year old and twelve year old. So and somebody gonna
Speaker 4: hit you done, they don't hit you good, and you're
Speaker 4: feeling it, you know. But that walked the Payton take.
Speaker 4: That walked the Payton video always said, Man, I don't
Speaker 4: care how hard somebody hit you, jump right back up.
Speaker 1: You know you can be hurting.
Speaker 4: You know, I ain't gonna never let a person see
Speaker 4: me down or see that I've been affected. And I
Speaker 4: took that with me my whole career. And then you
Speaker 4: start people hearing people say, man, he don't never get tired,
Speaker 4: he don't never sit up there, and you know that
Speaker 4: you're never gonna I'm gonna keep this poker face and
Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep giving it to you. And even if
Speaker 4: you got me, you ain't gonna know it, you know,
Speaker 4: because I'm gonna get myself together in the corner, but
Speaker 4: ain't nobody gonna know?
Speaker 1: And then back out there, give it to you again.
Speaker 1: Explain the mindset behind your secret to a workouts? Now?
Speaker 1: That was it's like a cheat code, I think.
Speaker 4: I think in sports sports it's like, you know, first
Speaker 4: you get a measuring stick, you know, you get a
Speaker 4: measures till you get around people and then you start
Speaker 4: seeing what they do and then you start saying, Okay,
Speaker 4: how can I get one up? How can I put
Speaker 4: myself in position to be better? And I realized that, man,
Speaker 4: if I out train everybody and I outwork everybody, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna come back way better than that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do what they do. But then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do what I do.
Speaker 4: And I just always did and two am was like
Speaker 4: like I'm a night person by nature, you know, so
Speaker 4: I always used to go in around two, three, four
Speaker 4: in the morning. It started from like middle school, and
Speaker 4: then it went all the way through the pros, you know,
Speaker 4: and and it was it was one of the best
Speaker 4: things ever because you know, everybody else, they gonna come
Speaker 4: in and you got people that cut the workouts, cheat
Speaker 4: the workouts. But it's like, what you can do by yourself,
Speaker 4: what you willing to do by yourself is the true
Speaker 4: testament of who you are, what type of person you are.
Speaker 4: Everybody can do it when the coach there, when the
Speaker 4: video on, but it's like, what you're.
Speaker 1: Gonna do, nobody look, nobody looking.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about making yourself do it, but then going
Speaker 4: hard because you have to put like imaginary people in
Speaker 4: front of you, you know, you got to you got
Speaker 4: to really think that you're playing against the best in
Speaker 4: the world. And when I started doing that, I started
Speaker 4: kind of overvaluing the people that I was about to
Speaker 4: play or who I was going against because I made
Speaker 4: them so great in my workout and I trained to
Speaker 4: make sure that I match that intensity. But then when
Speaker 4: I see them in person and we get across from
Speaker 4: each other, they don't be it. It's like, so the
Speaker 4: game continues, you know, you just keep playing that little
Speaker 4: mental game with yourself.
Speaker 1: That's dope to you. What is that logo represent for you?
Speaker 1: The universe? The universe. That's the universe. Man, that's the
Speaker 1: greatest school. Man, I'm taking.
Speaker 4: It's like when you look at college, you got you
Speaker 4: got probably two schools, three schools maybe that got the
Speaker 4: total package. And that's the U U c l A
Speaker 4: U s. See the major cities with top programs, and
Speaker 4: for us, it's like we just feel like it ain't
Speaker 4: nothing gonna be like us. You know, nobody gonna bond
Speaker 4: like us. And when you down here, you're like, man,
Speaker 4: I get to go to school, great school. You know,
Speaker 4: nobody can knock the school. You know, the school put
Speaker 4: out some of the greatest people in the business world overall.
Speaker 1: But then you get the city of Miami. You get
Speaker 1: to you get to.
Speaker 4: Stay up four, five, six in the morning's always something
Speaker 4: to do, you know, I go on the West coast,
Speaker 4: l A. Y'all got two o'clock house house parties. But
Speaker 4: so you think about it around the country. What school
Speaker 4: gonna give you everything? But it also is things that
Speaker 4: come with that too.
Speaker 6: You know that I wouldn't it would it would have
Speaker 6: wouldn't him now maybe because surrounded by somebody, it's like
Speaker 6: we go out tomorrow, we're.
Speaker 1: Going to work house. It ain't.
Speaker 4: You don't have no choice, Like no, It's like a
Speaker 4: lot of times you see people they don't they don't
Speaker 4: command or demand their teammates to step up and like,
Speaker 4: you have to do that.
Speaker 1: And that's one thing we did. We held everybody accountable.
Speaker 4: You can't be on my team and not willing to
Speaker 4: do what it takes because it's going to affect the whole.
Speaker 1: We need to get rid of you.
Speaker 4: You need to say, man, I'm not built for this
Speaker 4: or something, because at the end of this, it's a
Speaker 4: team game and there's no way you can be slacking.
Speaker 4: And I can't sit up there and let you slack.
Speaker 4: And a lot of times see something sometimes players will
Speaker 4: be like, well I got me, I did me.
Speaker 1: I'm like you forget about a big picture costs.
Speaker 4: It ain't They ain't no better fun than going to
Speaker 4: the pros with your dog or being in the same
Speaker 4: situation and we all growing together, you know.
Speaker 3: So it's ain't boxing or golf by yourself teams, but
Speaker 3: you're dependent on people anyway, regardless.
Speaker 2: Uncle Luke big part of Uncle Luke the history and tradition,
Speaker 2: but also instrumental in in the university's program. Were you
Speaker 2: around with he had the bounty program with them.
Speaker 1: Not no, that right that was before you, that was
Speaker 1: before me.
Speaker 4: But like I think that right there was kind of
Speaker 4: that Like a lot of people put their spin on it,
Speaker 4: but they don't really understand that.
Speaker 1: If you know Uncle Luke, Uncle Luke is a.
Speaker 4: True mentor you know Uncle Luke don't have a dog
Speaker 4: in the fight, and he's gonna sit up there and
Speaker 4: make sure that he's working for the people and they
Speaker 4: you can call it a bounty call Uncle Luke making
Speaker 4: sure that people at school, you're doing what you know,
Speaker 4: making sure that you understand like what you're up against,
Speaker 4: keeping people out of trouble. You know, it's like when
Speaker 4: you out because you're in these Miami streets, man, everything
Speaker 4: goes on so many temptations and you got people that say, hey,
Speaker 4: y'all need to go get back to school, get back
Speaker 4: to the dorm. Y'all got a safe place to come
Speaker 4: to my club and y'all to be good, and somebody
Speaker 4: else will take it the wrong way.
Speaker 1: And of course when you go out involved.
Speaker 4: Man, man, everybody around here, go and sit up there
Speaker 4: and make sure you're good. Because, man, the people down
Speaker 4: here love they love home team.
Speaker 2: They love represent represent that like your representation of their teammates.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean your practices I'm sure were wards,
Speaker 2: but your team Reggie Wayne Santana moss Ed reed to
Speaker 2: name a few. What were those practices and training sessions
Speaker 2: and just camaraderie like amongst that team.
Speaker 1: Oh man, it was fun. Man.
Speaker 3: Imagine people that would be in the transport portal once
Speaker 3: they show up today and they walk with practice and
Speaker 3: see all y'all hit the portal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get on this field. We wouldn't be hit no porter.
Speaker 4: Man, We'll be making you go to the port I'm saying,
Speaker 4: I'd be like, man, I made three forty to.
Speaker 1: The straight up, make you'll make you get into portal.
Speaker 1: That's what I would do. I would make you get
Speaker 1: in the porter. Would like I.
Speaker 4: Don't understand, I said a kids jumping the porter like man, no,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let you know. I'm gonna make you get
Speaker 4: this is my turf, this mine right here. Too many
Speaker 4: times they run, But that was that was thinking like
Speaker 4: us with us. You know, it was like it was
Speaker 4: like a true brotherhood. But everybody was cold with it,
Speaker 4: you know, like like it's like you can go out.
Speaker 4: And I remember we had this thing where if somebody said, man, dang,
Speaker 4: I can't I can't practice or I can't play, and
Speaker 4: everybody looking like, man, you're bad, and we get back
Speaker 4: at it because this is our opportunity. This is this
Speaker 4: what is about. And then if somebody get one up
Speaker 4: on you, you can't wait till tomorrow because you're gonna
Speaker 4: get They're gonna ride you all day, all night, and it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna make you up your game.
Speaker 4: They're gonna make you either getting the transfer a portal
Speaker 4: or step your game up.
Speaker 1: And that's what it was like.
Speaker 4: And so practice was more exciting than anything because you
Speaker 4: have people that was driven, you have people that like
Speaker 4: everybody wanted to go pro.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody did what of it? You should see
Speaker 1: our pro days.
Speaker 4: Everybody everybody's sitting there just imagining it, imagining that that
Speaker 4: being them because they're like, man, I can't wait till
Speaker 4: my day. And when you got people that's driven and
Speaker 4: they have a purpose behind it, like man, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: take my family out of this poverty. I'm finna make
Speaker 4: sure I have this. Somebody do that, and I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna miss workouts. I'm not gonna cut corners. And then
Speaker 4: you see a different type of person. It's like every
Speaker 4: year you see the guy that been messing up or
Speaker 4: messing around. Right when it comes time to get ready
Speaker 4: for come by, they start training, they start doing all
Speaker 4: this stuff. It's like it's a new person, Like you
Speaker 4: should have been doing that.
Speaker 3: Do you did you ever go head up with the
Speaker 3: reading practice?
Speaker 1: Now you don't really go nah, I ain't really know
Speaker 1: head up.
Speaker 4: Like we just everybody just out of the ball every
Speaker 4: place safety, you know, So I want no thing where you.
Speaker 1: Can't do that. He was right there waiting on you. Man.
Speaker 7: I always got busy man.
Speaker 1: For a reason.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: Now we battled. We battered. Everybody battle.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: It's like we battled, but it wasn't no thing.
Speaker 4: When nobody can say, man, I got one up on me.
Speaker 1: Me running back University.
Speaker 2: I mean there was an era where Frank Gore, Clinton
Speaker 2: Ports yourself, Willie m Willias McGahee. I mean just the
Speaker 2: tradition in that era of running back. So y'all close
Speaker 2: to this day. Nobody jumped in the portal. Man, nobody jump.
Speaker 1: You're jumping.
Speaker 4: Now you can't jump in the Porter's like, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: see if I can make you jump in the port
Speaker 4: But now everybody, everybody's still stick together, everybody's still communicate.
Speaker 4: And now it's about the children. You know, you're looking
Speaker 4: at like Frank Gore his son when the draft he
Speaker 4: went to the bill. So we're sitting everybody monitoring everybody,
Speaker 4: you know, saluting each other and pushing porters.
Speaker 1: Guy, he got two.
Speaker 4: Boys that's coming along, that's getting a lot of recognition,
Speaker 4: you know. And then I got my on as a
Speaker 4: Howard that plays running back. So it's like that fraternity
Speaker 4: is still there. You know, Willis's son just went. You're
Speaker 4: going to college, So everybody got somebody. Then you have
Speaker 4: a reference that you can utilize this person on.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like it I realized that that you
Speaker 4: can probably reach my kid better than I can in
Speaker 4: certain situations, like they just want to hear it from
Speaker 4: somebody else.
Speaker 1: Same message is something different messenger. Yeah, so so I
Speaker 1: like to utilize that.
Speaker 4: Okay, come talk to them, or come show them this
Speaker 4: drill or show them work out. So and that's the
Speaker 4: good thing you got when you have a group that
Speaker 4: you know personally that you.
Speaker 1: Went to war with, that you can just lean on.
Speaker 2: Top five Florida football players of all time put you
Speaker 2: right on the spot.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I can't. I can't do that one. Man,
Speaker 4: You're gonna leave a lot of people. Oh but off,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm gonna skip that question. Man, Florida man like Florida,
Speaker 4: Tough Texas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those three, it's a lot. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: great people.
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of great players that that came
Speaker 4: through this thing. And not only on the pop one
Speaker 4: of a high school college level. They did in the
Speaker 4: Prosy And that's that's the tell tale sign.
Speaker 2: Postgame celebrations with Trick Daddy in South Beach. Any any
Speaker 2: stories you remember from back then.
Speaker 8: Now, I really had no I can share, but we
Speaker 8: had we we have, we had some good times.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like and all of us around imagine everybody having.
Speaker 1: Success at the same time.
Speaker 4: You know, we're all around the same age, we're all
Speaker 4: like hitting our stride at the same time.
Speaker 1: So just imagine that, you know, just.
Speaker 4: Imagine everybody, everybody just in the same but it's not
Speaker 4: no one boss and a bunch of people up on
Speaker 4: everybody bosses. Everybody got and nobody's like showing nobody. Everybody
Speaker 4: like really happy for each other.
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety eight. Reschedule the game versus UCLA that got canceled,
Speaker 2: and you decide to go three don't say too night,
Speaker 2: ninety nine yards on thirty nine carries, and y'all upset Ucla,
Speaker 2: who was supposed to go to the national championship forty
Speaker 2: nine to forty five, and we ain't been shipped on
Speaker 2: the football field since.
Speaker 1: What do you remember about that? That was? That was opportunity,
Speaker 1: you know it was it was was that your freshman
Speaker 1: and sophomore year, my junior year, my last game? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was easy.
Speaker 4: So that I mean, it was like, you know, it's
Speaker 4: two different type of balls, you know, you West Coast
Speaker 4: ball and then over here we play a different type
Speaker 4: of ball. And then UCLA was at a disadvantage, you know,
Speaker 4: it's one o'clock, you know, twelve one o'clock game. That's
Speaker 4: where the here's different. You know, y'all got a different
Speaker 4: breeze out there. And then we didn't have nothing to lose.
Speaker 4: You know, you're going out there with some people just
Speaker 4: imagine a gang of brother and got nothing to lose,
Speaker 4: and you know, you just you just hanging loose, just
Speaker 4: hanging out, just doing what you do because they you know,
Speaker 4: if you win, you know, it's great. You know, if
Speaker 4: you lose, the whole world think you're gonna lose anyway.
Speaker 4: And then I got a chance to knock you too.
Speaker 4: I was like, so that was that was that was
Speaker 4: the cool part, man like, look, we know it was
Speaker 4: up against and then that was that was my Actually,
Speaker 4: that was actually my first time that I was gonna
Speaker 4: be that. I went into a game knowing that I
Speaker 4: was gonna be the one that carried the load because
Speaker 4: and the way University of Mind was set up is,
Speaker 4: you know, every back is going to play, you know,
Speaker 4: so you had to split carriage.
Speaker 1: We split carriage.
Speaker 4: But then one of the other guys he had got
Speaker 4: he got suspended or he got injured or something.
Speaker 1: Well he wasn't able to play, and so that was
Speaker 1: my opportunity for me. I wanted the chance. You know,
Speaker 1: you just want a chance.
Speaker 4: You wish you get more carries, you know, you wish
Speaker 4: you get more opportunities throughout the year, but just the
Speaker 4: way our program designed, and so you got to make
Speaker 4: the most out of those opportunities. And then now I
Speaker 4: got to touch the ball thirty something times.
Speaker 1: That was the first time game.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the first And that's where all that hard
Speaker 4: work they started to show because I hadn't. If I
Speaker 4: hadn't worked hard and put in that work, that's too
Speaker 4: many carries.
Speaker 3: Trying to get to the big leagues after college, after
Speaker 3: you did put up a thousand yards on U C
Speaker 3: l A and seventy five touchdowns. How was the pre
Speaker 3: draft process, Like what was your what was your forty
Speaker 3: your time the forty.
Speaker 4: Like I think four three four four one something. Different
Speaker 4: people have a different thing. But that was all irrelevant,
Speaker 4: you know, because it's like, you know, as long as
Speaker 4: you're in the four folds and you can play.
Speaker 1: But I know I could do it all.
Speaker 4: But we was in a situation where it was like
Speaker 4: me and Ricky Williams and a couple of the backs,
Speaker 4: and Ricky was the popular back and he had won Heisman,
Speaker 4: and nobody had really seen me play. And so it
Speaker 4: takes somebody who really really do their homework to say, man,
Speaker 4: look this to guy and go against public perception, because
Speaker 4: you know, the public go about whatever you show them.
Speaker 1: And so that was the coach. They never talked to me.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 4: I never interacted with them anything. And then leading up
Speaker 4: to you saw Marshall got Marshall got traded. And when
Speaker 4: Marshall got traded, he was like, okay, well now a
Speaker 4: running back is going. So now I know I'm gonna
Speaker 4: move up. You know, I know I'm move up in
Speaker 4: the draft wherever. But my thought process through the whole
Speaker 4: thing was, man all I cared.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get into pros, like I don't
Speaker 1: care where or whatever.
Speaker 4: And then so happened. Everything went. It just went fast,
Speaker 4: you know, It's like went fast, and I end up
Speaker 4: playing for the Coats. The coach select me. And what's
Speaker 4: crazy was like, you know, you know, you get recruited
Speaker 4: by agents, and these agents flew me to New York.
Speaker 1: It was Nick's Pacers and.
Speaker 4: I'm sitting right behind Peyton, you know, and never say
Speaker 4: nothing to him, don't communicate, to communicate with him. I'm
Speaker 4: sitting right behind him, you know. And then two three
Speaker 4: weeks later with teammates. You know, that was crazy.
Speaker 3: Fourth overall pick in the ninety nine draft brought into
Speaker 3: a place Marshall fault, big shoes to fill out.
Speaker 1: How was that?
Speaker 4: Football's like, I wasn't. I never was worried about having
Speaker 4: to replace somebody.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, man, I know I know what
Speaker 1: they getting. They don't know what they getting. You know.
Speaker 4: It's like when you know you're adult, man, you don't
Speaker 4: worry about nothing that you know you got it.
Speaker 1: You don't what to get. Football was too easy, It
Speaker 1: was way too easy.
Speaker 4: So to be concerned about anything like that, that's that's
Speaker 4: a waste of energy, especially when you know you got
Speaker 4: what it take, and you know, like, man, like I
Speaker 4: know I'm that deal. You know, I know that. I'm like,
Speaker 4: this thing is serious over here, but my purpose is
Speaker 4: even bigger than hear that, And so I was never
Speaker 4: worried or concerned.
Speaker 1: You just want to you just want to get out
Speaker 1: and get the opportunity to go play. Did you have
Speaker 1: to do any rookie duties? Noah, No, I wasn't. I
Speaker 1: wasn't really with all that. You know what they tried.
Speaker 1: I remember one. I remember one situation. Dude, dude, they
Speaker 1: did try me.
Speaker 4: Dude like he came and said, hey, rook, I just like,
Speaker 4: hold up, man, I said, look, my name e J.
Speaker 4: You can call me Edge or if not, don't call
Speaker 4: me none at all. I'm not with all that. I'm
Speaker 4: just saying like, I'm here to do my thing. And dude,
Speaker 4: man said, I respect that because I'm not, like, I
Speaker 4: don't come to play games. You know what I'm saying, Like, Man,
Speaker 4: I come here to be one of the greatest to
Speaker 4: ever play the game, make me some money, take kept
Speaker 4: my family, and do my thing. I ain't come here
Speaker 4: to play all these little gimmicky games. And it's cool
Speaker 4: for some people, but man, when I'm in a certain space,
Speaker 4: I'm a serious person.
Speaker 1: Man. That's like y'all play them games with somebody else,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: It's like, and I never had no other issues and
Speaker 4: the actually I got a lot of respect from that.
Speaker 4: But it's like that wasn't like, Oh, let me stick
Speaker 4: my chest out and show.
Speaker 1: These like you.
Speaker 4: Nah, man, I come here to play ball, man, like
Speaker 4: I came with all this stuff, man, Like, y'all go
Speaker 4: ahead and play them little monkey games with somebody else.
Speaker 1: Man, nobody got time for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Peyton Mann and who was he on the field.
Speaker 3: I have two different backgrounds, but it seemed like your
Speaker 3: passion for the game was identical.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like man p p is he's great, man P
Speaker 4: Like he showed you like like when you look at
Speaker 4: somebody like pe I'm like, you wish you can put
Speaker 4: your all into the sport like that, like, and that's
Speaker 4: what I wish for my kids. I wish I could say, man,
Speaker 4: let me take care of all the distractions, take get
Speaker 4: all that out the way, and just get them the blueprint.
Speaker 4: And you wish you had the opportunity to actually really
Speaker 4: have a true passion for the game. It's like I
Speaker 4: got to deal with the game, got to deal with this,
Speaker 4: but they got to deal with Oh you got to
Speaker 4: bond this person out, or this person went to jail
Speaker 4: or this one that you know, you got to deal
Speaker 4: with all this other stuff, and you just wish you
Speaker 4: had some You wish you had the opportunity. So I
Speaker 4: was always impressed with the way they had their whole
Speaker 4: thing structured out, you know, It's like p was into
Speaker 4: that game.
Speaker 1: This man loved that game.
Speaker 4: If you go to pee House, he got the same
Speaker 4: equipment that we got at the facility, you know, and
Speaker 4: like when you see somebody that really love you can say, man,
Speaker 4: this this man can't help but be great, and then
Speaker 4: it shows you like like, man, if you want to
Speaker 4: be the best, you got to really commit to something.
Speaker 4: So p knew everything, Like we had the offensive coordinator
Speaker 4: on the field and that's.
Speaker 1: That's what it was like planning.
Speaker 4: But then you had a good person that really understands,
Speaker 4: like like I got incentives. I got to hit some incentives,
Speaker 4: so you're gonna make sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you respect people like that.
Speaker 4: It's like, dude, I got to get this, I have
Speaker 4: to hit this or if you see that you got
Speaker 4: mab Reggie both don't want the boy he got. That's
Speaker 4: his hardest I mean, that's the hardest problem with that's
Speaker 4: the hardest thing that he had to deal with is
Speaker 4: trying to find balance.
Speaker 1: And he was able to manage it pretty good.
Speaker 4: And you respect that because you got somebody that you
Speaker 4: know they're gonna put you in the best situation, but
Speaker 4: they understand your situation.
Speaker 1: Like I think Pete need to run for president. Man
Speaker 1: probably can win too.
Speaker 3: Man, telling you favorite teammates doing in the years? Pat
Speaker 3: McAfee was always one of the cool home boars. But
Speaker 3: who was your favorite teammates doing them years? A lot
Speaker 3: of people don't know how cool Bob Sanders was too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Man, Like I got along with everybody. You know,
Speaker 4: It's like I rocked out with everybody. It's like I
Speaker 4: ain't kept you as an undrafted free agent. I don't
Speaker 4: care whatever around man, as long as you coming outside
Speaker 4: and you're gonna hang.
Speaker 1: We had a lot of practice players with us. Used
Speaker 1: to be all the practice players with us.
Speaker 4: But you know that was that was like that was
Speaker 4: that connection to college because you leaving college early and
Speaker 4: then you started seeing like I didn't know the pros,
Speaker 4: didn't really hang with each other. I didn't know everybody.
Speaker 4: I didn't really kick it with each other until you
Speaker 4: get there. It's like me, I kick it with the
Speaker 4: cool people. Gonna kick it with the cool people and
Speaker 4: the people that have things that's in common. That's who
Speaker 4: gonna link up. And it didn't matter what round or
Speaker 4: what status you was in. And so I hung out
Speaker 4: with everybody.
Speaker 3: Man, what was the furthest you've ever got in the
Speaker 3: coach playoffs.
Speaker 1: With the coach. We went to the what the AFC
Speaker 1: Championship game? We made? We made a couple of times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, after spending most of your career in Indy, you
Speaker 2: signed it with the Cardinals and make that home for
Speaker 2: three years, end up going to the super Bowl versus Steelers. Uh,
Speaker 2: what are your fondest memories about your Cardinals days?
Speaker 1: It was a learning process. You know.
Speaker 4: It's like you go to Indy any like they birth you,
Speaker 4: you know, and then it's like you go to another
Speaker 4: organization and you're thinking that everything in the pros was
Speaker 4: the same.
Speaker 1: It's not.
Speaker 4: You realize these organizations are ran totally different, and you.
Speaker 1: Know, losing is not Losing not fun.
Speaker 4: And you start being around you get you start being
Speaker 4: around the situation where they where they losing, and it's
Speaker 4: like it's like it happens all the time. So those
Speaker 4: are the things you have to deal with, Like you
Speaker 4: have to kind of change the mindset and you can't
Speaker 4: let it bring you down because.
Speaker 1: The losers would pull you. You know, the people that used
Speaker 1: to losing.
Speaker 4: People that's okay, we're losing, they'll pull you in the
Speaker 4: direction they're they're they'll console you and comforence you and
Speaker 4: make it like it's cool when it's not cool.
Speaker 1: So you have to fight that. That was the That
Speaker 1: was the first thing, you know, having to fight that.
Speaker 1: But it was cool out there.
Speaker 4: And then the fact that you know, you look back
Speaker 4: and you say, man, dang, they got the talent. You know,
Speaker 4: you look at the receivers, look at the Hall of
Speaker 4: Fame quarterback. You know, they have everything. It's just trying
Speaker 4: to put it together. And then we go to the
Speaker 4: super Bowl because that's what makes it cool because it's like, man,
Speaker 4: I know what I'm talking about. I know I'm seeing
Speaker 4: like it could happen. And then after everybody came together,
Speaker 4: the right coach that put it together brought in a
Speaker 4: system that I was kind of from, like, you know,
Speaker 4: there's structure in a certain organizations and Arizona like you can,
Speaker 4: like the night before a game, you can just go
Speaker 4: home like I never seen that, you know, like I'm
Speaker 4: used to structure, and so it was totally different. But
Speaker 4: once we got structure, it all came together.
Speaker 2: Current running backs crazy enough, it's one of the lowest
Speaker 2: paid skill position players as we speak. The beating they take.
Speaker 2: Have you had any conversations about that and what do
Speaker 2: you feel like the solution is?
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's just everything evolved. The game evolved.
Speaker 4: It turned to a passing game, and as a running back,
Speaker 4: you can't sit there and think that things are going
Speaker 4: to stay like they used to be.
Speaker 1: You know, you got to up your game, get in
Speaker 1: the passing game.
Speaker 4: You look at Christian McCaffrey, you know, you get involved
Speaker 4: in the passing game. Now you're gonna bring more value.
Speaker 4: And for me, you know I could have. I always
Speaker 4: did all three. And so the more value you can
Speaker 4: bring and the more you can do, the better your chance.
Speaker 4: And it's to sit down and talk to the powers
Speaker 4: that be about Look, this is how much value I
Speaker 4: bring because they're not gonna try McCaffrey. He gonna get
Speaker 4: paid top dollars because he can do all three. Or
Speaker 4: I know he can catch the ball and he can run.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know as far as blocking. I
Speaker 4: haven't really paid attention on that level. But if you
Speaker 4: can catch that ball, you can get involved in those situations.
Speaker 4: That's gonna be the solution because it's not going back
Speaker 4: to where it used to be.
Speaker 1: Still. That's back in the day, any running backs in
Speaker 1: the league you enjoy watching today.
Speaker 4: I'm rocking out with the Coats right now. So I'm
Speaker 4: gonna say, but I like all these young the young guys. Man,
Speaker 4: you sit down and you always watch them, and you
Speaker 4: enjoy watching. I always like watching Avan Kamarrow. You know,
Speaker 4: it's like it's a lot of the guys. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm glad Dak getting a chance to go back to
Speaker 4: the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I'm at Zeke.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I say, Dak, Ye're the same organization, but Zeke
Speaker 4: going back. But you know, the game changes so many
Speaker 4: different guys that you don't get a chance to just
Speaker 4: settle in on. Okay, this is the guy McCaffrey. Of
Speaker 4: course you're gonna sit back and say that this this
Speaker 4: guy right here, you know, he's I think he's the future.
Speaker 4: He's showing everybody's the blueprint of what it's gonna take
Speaker 4: to be a high paid running back. But I like
Speaker 4: I got j T and and Andy. I like him
Speaker 4: with our quarterback and our new receiving courts. So you're
Speaker 4: just watching it and you're just paying attention to, you know,
Speaker 4: the direction of it, because it's hard to give advice
Speaker 4: when it's a totally different game.
Speaker 1: He's said he got wills, Yeah, he got wills. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Just kind of a double double edged question because he
Speaker 2: was always about your ship out there. But you ever
Speaker 2: see some people that you try to avoid on the
Speaker 2: other side, whether they be lying. I mean, it's over
Speaker 2: now so he can say it, or anybody that really
Speaker 2: got you one time good in the league.
Speaker 1: You got your bill rung, now you get your bell.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get hit, but you ain't gonna never a
Speaker 1: nobody gonna know it.
Speaker 2: You know, we can know it now that it's over.
Speaker 1: Though, Nah, you're not gonna know it.
Speaker 4: But like for me, it's like it's like I remember
Speaker 4: like when I was when I was younger, and we
Speaker 4: had to play against the Jets.
Speaker 1: The Jets had they had.
Speaker 4: Marvin Jones, you know, like and so if you come
Speaker 4: from if you come from the state of Florida, Marvin
Speaker 4: Jones was like the big deal, you know. So I
Speaker 4: was like, Man, I get any opportunity, I'm going to
Speaker 4: straight into it, you know. And I got my opportunity,
Speaker 4: you know, and it's just like it's just like a
Speaker 4: breath of fresh air. He's like, man, I be long,
Speaker 4: like man like I'm playing with the big dogs, you know,
Speaker 4: And those are the things I always did, Like I
Speaker 4: always I always wanted the action because I want to
Speaker 4: see what it feels like to play against the best.
Speaker 4: You know, when you play against Ray, you play against that,
Speaker 4: you played against all the Buffalo Bill greats.
Speaker 1: It's like I.
Speaker 4: Want to I want that, you know, because how you
Speaker 4: going to ever get a chance to measure yourself if
Speaker 4: you don't get out there with them and you go
Speaker 4: at them and then at the end of the game
Speaker 4: they give your respect. That's like, that's like the biggest compliment,
Speaker 4: especially as a young player. So it's like I always
Speaker 4: embrace that, you know. It's like I'm always looking for
Speaker 4: the best of the best. You got it, man, You
Speaker 4: got to like who how you're going to be a
Speaker 4: competitor and you don't want to go against the best
Speaker 4: and you you want to see because I need to
Speaker 4: know what I need to work on. I didn't know
Speaker 4: what I needed to do to get better. And that
Speaker 4: was the approach I always took.
Speaker 1: That the patent get to the line.
Speaker 3: He used to always get to the line, and you
Speaker 3: had a certain hop step where you can hop to
Speaker 3: the next door, like that that was one of your patents.
Speaker 3: Did that come off instinct or you worked on that.
Speaker 4: That was something that worked on because what it does
Speaker 4: is it's a glide, right, It's a glide because what
Speaker 4: I do is it's a by time. If you get
Speaker 4: in a space where you don't know he hasn't gotten
Speaker 4: to where you can just do something with conviction, you
Speaker 4: buy time and you glide.
Speaker 1: But you glide like I was.
Speaker 4: I was teaching this to my son, how you glide
Speaker 4: with your feet, you know, not too far from the
Speaker 4: ground where you still under control. As soon as you
Speaker 4: see it, hit it and go. And that was always
Speaker 4: a move because I don't care which direction they was going.
Speaker 4: If they overplay something, I can hit it, I can
Speaker 4: get back here. And so it's something that I added
Speaker 4: to my game to make sure that I can buy
Speaker 4: time because sometimes you can be a little bit too
Speaker 4: fast and then the whole yeah, you hit the whole
Speaker 4: little bit too fast.
Speaker 1: You got to buy time.
Speaker 4: And it's just but the thing you can do is
Speaker 4: once you once you make a decision, you got to
Speaker 4: give it you all right then, So that was that
Speaker 4: was one of the things I just kind of worked
Speaker 4: on a lot.
Speaker 3: I know because I know you to hit the us,
Speaker 3: to try to hit that whole hard. Sometimes you run
Speaker 3: so fast you got to put your hand on the lineman.
Speaker 1: And then figure out where you're going from there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's much. I used to watch you dog. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: And then the other thing you can do is like
Speaker 4: I can, like when you get in tune to the
Speaker 4: to your craft, you start to understand, Okay, how can
Speaker 4: I help the lineman. I can position the defender however
Speaker 4: I want him to be because he's watching me and
Speaker 4: the lineman watching him. So if I need to work
Speaker 4: for the lineman, I got to position this defender for
Speaker 4: the linemen to get his hands on, to get him
Speaker 4: in the best best position possible.
Speaker 1: So I used to work with the lineman.
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, yeah, I'm gonna move him like this,
Speaker 4: like we used to play against the Dolphins, and like
Speaker 4: we played against Zach Thomas. Zach he just went into
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame and I was like, man, how
Speaker 4: the fuck Jack keep getting to the spot.
Speaker 1: And then I figured out.
Speaker 4: I said, Okay, I watched enough film and I figured
Speaker 4: I said, look, he looking at my shoulders when my
Speaker 4: shoulders turned.
Speaker 1: He was just hall ass running. He get in front
Speaker 1: of our lineman.
Speaker 4: So then I started, I'll keep my shoulder square Zach
Speaker 4: with Paul's get my linemen in one love advantage over him.
Speaker 4: Then I'll get on it. And then never had a
Speaker 4: problem with never had a problem with it. But it's like,
Speaker 4: it's like, how can I make this better? How can
Speaker 4: I you know, It's like even when you know with
Speaker 4: your receivers, you're gonna tell your receivers like, man, Dan,
Speaker 4: like you start looking at he got this corner or
Speaker 4: he had this safety, and you started saying, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: this safety right here.
Speaker 1: He pretty tough, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I'd rather you push your push your corner up
Speaker 4: and go get to the safety because I can deal
Speaker 4: with him, you know.
Speaker 1: But in certain corners you're like, man, this motherfucker tough.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's tough to get around, but he gonna play it right,
Speaker 4: And you say, okay, stay on him. I work the safety,
Speaker 4: safety and heat nothing, you know, And so you start
Speaker 4: when you start breaking the game down, you're actually working together.
Speaker 4: And it's like even when you're doing play action fakes
Speaker 4: or whatever, you know you're doing all this stuff right,
Speaker 4: you're so in tune with the game. But like if
Speaker 4: Peyton see me breaking out the fake, that means something
Speaker 4: is happening, you know what I mean, he that means
Speaker 4: something has happened. So that means there's a sense of
Speaker 4: urgency for him to get into his throat, you know.
Speaker 4: But if I go through with a full fake, I'm
Speaker 4: seeing stuff that he can't see. And so it's just
Speaker 4: a little little things like that that take your game
Speaker 4: to another level.
Speaker 2: Speak to his his his mindset and obsessiveness of just
Speaker 2: reading the defenses and the audibles you guys had to
Speaker 2: go through and how long did it kind of take
Speaker 2: a rhythm? How long did how long did it take
Speaker 2: to really get a rhythm and just understand everything he's
Speaker 2: seeing out there? But like you just said, also what
Speaker 2: you're seeing out there as well.
Speaker 4: Well, you kind of grow together, like it was only
Speaker 4: one year apart, and like I went to a team
Speaker 4: that was three and thirteen and it was like, oh,
Speaker 4: new guy coming in this and that whatever, But we
Speaker 4: worked so hard then we also can go thirteen and three,
Speaker 4: you know, and it's like you implement one or two pieces,
Speaker 4: but they need they match, they jail, and you turn
Speaker 4: this whole thing around.
Speaker 1: So we all grow together.
Speaker 4: And for me as a as a running back, I'm
Speaker 4: sitting back there and something you go on stadium you
Speaker 4: can't hear.
Speaker 1: So if I can't here, I got to know what's
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 4: So that's what made our relationship even stronger because now
Speaker 4: I got to tell what did you see?
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 4: What's going to make you make this call? What are
Speaker 4: you looking at to say? Okay, I'm gonna switch to
Speaker 4: this because I can't learn it, so I got to
Speaker 4: learn it. Yeah, so I got to learn the game.
Speaker 4: I got to be I got to really pay attention
Speaker 4: to him because if you go the wrong way, somebody
Speaker 4: can come hit your quarterback. Your whole season gone. So
Speaker 4: I got to be in tune with what's going on.
Speaker 4: I got to stay focused because he can say something
Speaker 4: at the line. The receivers they have these signals. The
Speaker 4: line is right there with the line and they talk
Speaker 4: to each other. I'm seven yards back and you don't
Speaker 4: have enough time to talk to me. So I got
Speaker 4: to learn that stuff. So that's what that's what kind
Speaker 4: of helped my football IQ.
Speaker 2: Go us walk the common fan through the process of
Speaker 2: you're playing on Sunday, what's the next handful of days
Speaker 2: like getting back to Sunday.
Speaker 1: It depends on how old you are. Like I was
Speaker 1: twenty one when I went in Monday Tuesdays off.
Speaker 4: After the game, I used to go play basketball with
Speaker 4: the fan. We played kick like's not easy, like yeah.
Speaker 1: Now back then, and we was out all there.
Speaker 4: After the game, like when you when you're twenty one,
Speaker 4: twenty two, after the game, we would have basketball games
Speaker 4: at the house. You know in the nd especially play
Speaker 4: at one o'clock. You're back home at four o'clock, at
Speaker 4: four something five o'clock. And then you still go out.
Speaker 4: But as you get older it changes so and then
Speaker 4: you got Mondays, you go in.
Speaker 1: I used to always left weights.
Speaker 4: I always left wait, so Monday, you know, the day
Speaker 4: after the game, that waste tuesdays, that's your day off.
Speaker 4: You know, that's your day off. And then wins you
Speaker 4: back to it. And then with coach Dundee, you had victory.
Speaker 4: Mondays start in November. So if you plan somebody you
Speaker 4: know you're gonna beat, you already book your ticket. You're
Speaker 4: gonna you're gonna stay in that city. You're gonna go
Speaker 4: back to South Florida, and we used to always come
Speaker 4: Downhill to come to the club a lot, like we
Speaker 4: used to come out here to hang out and get
Speaker 4: back to Indy Tuesday night. So that was that was
Speaker 4: pretty much same routine. Never it never really changes.
Speaker 1: Would it be a mistake for the NFL will expand
Speaker 1: to eighteen games?
Speaker 4: I mean it's all been. It's like, I don't really
Speaker 4: see the purpose of a preseason game. You know, it's
Speaker 4: like it's really a waste of time because you're going
Speaker 4: out there. But it's you know, it's a waste of
Speaker 4: time in a sense. But you also you question some
Speaker 4: people's dreams that don't have a chance to play it,
Speaker 4: you know, so that could be their moment, that their opportunity,
Speaker 4: so where they gonna get their opportunity, where they're gonna
Speaker 4: get the opportunity to showcase you know that they belong
Speaker 4: in the league. And so I think preseason is good
Speaker 4: for that. As far as playing, I don't see it.
Speaker 4: I see you can probably get one preseason game in
Speaker 4: and get to it, you know, just gets a long
Speaker 4: season get to it.
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones has been vocal on the record talking about
Speaker 2: that CTE doesn't exist. He got it also matter have
Speaker 2: you had any former teammates that maybe suffering from it
Speaker 2: or close personal friends that played the game that may
Speaker 2: be suffering from it?
Speaker 4: Man, it's like, I think it does exist. I think
Speaker 4: it's something because you don't go from you know, being
Speaker 4: a certain type of person and then as the years
Speaker 4: go on, you turn into something totally different.
Speaker 1: So there's something there, you know.
Speaker 4: And if you think it's not real, just compared to
Speaker 4: the normal person that's twenty years old and then go
Speaker 4: to when he's thirty years old and see if they
Speaker 4: act the same. If everything's the same, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: like the human body not made to hit a running
Speaker 4: to each other, So how can you expect not nothing
Speaker 4: to be there. But as a business person, you're gonna
Speaker 4: try to protect your best interest at all time. But
Speaker 4: at some point you have to get to the facts,
Speaker 4: and the facts are it's something there that things happening.
Speaker 4: They're doing a lot of things to prevent a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff that's happening, and it's gonna be an ongoing battle.
Speaker 4: You know, if you're gonna pay, if you're gonna do
Speaker 4: something that goes against what the human body is made
Speaker 4: for expect something to happen.
Speaker 1: I got a form of it. I just don't know
Speaker 1: what I got, but I got it. Not even played
Speaker 1: for because you was dropped on your head too much.
Speaker 3: As maybe I just was born with it. Burn Yeah,
Speaker 3: Burn quick hitters, Mount Rushmore of running backs. Oh Man
Speaker 3: had one.
Speaker 1: Time.
Speaker 4: Like man, you always got to give people the respect,
Speaker 4: you know, like it's Barry, Emmitt Walter, however you want
Speaker 4: to put it, and Jim Brown, like you put all
Speaker 4: them in the group right there. I think anybody that
Speaker 4: plays the game, you study the game, you start looking
Speaker 4: at the evolution of the game for them.
Speaker 1: Before you got to put in there.
Speaker 4: You got you gotta put them for whatever way you
Speaker 4: want to put it, that's up you for form Burry
Speaker 4: to play that loan and still sustain. Man, it's like
Speaker 4: that that says like for Jim Brown. To Jim Brown
Speaker 4: could have crushed every record and just walked away, he
Speaker 4: became like even a greater man. Yeah, he became this
Speaker 4: person that understood, you know, things in this country wasn't right.
Speaker 1: You know, Barry walked away.
Speaker 4: You know, Barry could have kept playing, but Barry was
Speaker 4: in a situation where you know, it took its toll
Speaker 4: on him. And then Walter Payton, you know Walter Payton, Man,
Speaker 4: that was like that was my number one. He was
Speaker 4: always like it was him, you know, that was that
Speaker 4: was the one that I watched. So I think, I
Speaker 4: think if you go anything beyond those four, you know
Speaker 4: you're getting out of pocket.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, but that's that's the
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Speaker 8: I'm gonna watch Coming to America, gotta be the original.
Speaker 7: Watch like Belly, like movie like. I like the classics.
Speaker 7: I watched all classics, stuck on them.
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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, childhood crush.
Speaker 1: I ain't had no childhood crush. I wanted some money.
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Speaker 4: I like being outside, man Like, I like like, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be in the clubs one night life. It's like,
Speaker 4: I just like being out with the people. You know,
Speaker 4: it might it might not be the safest environment, but
Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm won't be outside.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be outside. I won't be outside. One guess
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Speaker 2: Man, best of luck with all the endeavors, fatherhood, business
Speaker 2: and everything else. And James, yeah, looking for way to
Speaker 2: the lead. We're looking for you man. We're best of
Speaker 2: luck with everything man, and thank you for your time.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you.