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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f HF Gear,

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Speaker 1: American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed

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Speaker 1: to be as rugged as the place as we explore.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bear Grease Render.

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Speaker 2: I knew I was here for some reason.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, well it's been a while since we've had

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Speaker 1: Joe Wilson on the show.

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Speaker 2: The Illustrious Joe Wilson.

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Speaker 3: I wish I knew what that meant.

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Speaker 1: But just look in the mirror, bro, and start calling

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Speaker 1: stuff that you think looks like that. Just see how

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Speaker 1: it goes.

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Speaker 3: I got it, man.

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Speaker 1: It's good to have you, Joe Man.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you'all having me back and always have a

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Speaker 3: good time.

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Speaker 1: Learned something, Yeah, man, We've got Barry Newcomb here, Josh

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Speaker 1: is here. Uh. I feel like looking at the screen

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Speaker 1: of what's on the screen, I feel like I need

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Speaker 1: to explain something real quick. This is a painting of Tecumsa.

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Speaker 1: This is a famous painting of Daniel Boone. And this

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Speaker 1: is an Ai image of my mother, Judy Nukelem. So

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Speaker 1: she retired, my daughter made retirement party decorations of Juju.

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Speaker 1: This is who we call Juju and uh and my

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Speaker 1: daughter made that and uh and like made them on

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Speaker 1: a like a like a hanging banner. So there was

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Speaker 1: just like Juju's everywhere, and it was so my mother's

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Speaker 1: so close, such a great woman.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if there were seven ladies in this room,

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Speaker 1: you'd be able to pick her up. I got you,

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Speaker 1: but I thought it was appropriate to be up here

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Speaker 1: by Tecumsa and Boon. All legends, all legends in their

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Speaker 1: own rights. But uh, no, Joe, you I've been hearing

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Speaker 1: a lot about your uh, your trip to Alaska. Where

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Speaker 1: when were you all up there? And what did y'all do?

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Speaker 3: Oh man, this year we were there in May. And

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Speaker 3: I think it's the first time, Clay anybody's ever cooked

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Speaker 3: a whole moose, like spit roasted a whole mood.

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Speaker 2: You spit roasted a whole moose.

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Speaker 3: Spit roasted a whole moose. And uh, you know, I

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Speaker 3: tried to plan out stuff a little bit. Actually that's

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Speaker 3: not right. I'm more of a scrambler. Okay, you know,

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Speaker 3: and I think I work best in scramble mode. But

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Speaker 3: you know, as you're driving down to get to cook Inlet,

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Speaker 3: there's road signs and those road signs will have a

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Speaker 3: picture of a mood and they'll say how many moose

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Speaker 3: versus vehicle accidents have taken place that year? And I

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Speaker 3: guess as we were coming into town the sign said

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Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty three. Now, yeah, So the moose

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Speaker 3: that we cooked was harvested via a ford raptor, okay,

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Speaker 3: just at the knees, and so whenever the truck hit

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Speaker 3: didn't make it. So there's a list in Alaska to

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Speaker 3: about midnight Arkansas time I get the call, which you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm asleep. I get the call, Hey, you want this moose?

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Speaker 4: And Joe Wilson doesn't say no no to them.

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Speaker 1: Is this is the timing of it coming up? Or

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Speaker 1: do they have a way that they can freeze it.

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Speaker 3: We're about a month and a half out.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so they would have to process it and then

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So the moose is about thirty miles from their house.

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Speaker 3: They get the call. Just so what happens like in

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Speaker 3: picked this thing up off the road with a little

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Speaker 3: and called me in the morning. They said, you remember

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Speaker 3: it's a story, Clay.

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Speaker 4: So so a second, Joe, slide forward for me. Just

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Speaker 4: yep and Bear and Clay, you guys need to get

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Speaker 1: Look, needle to move.

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Speaker 2: Probably Bear, Bear, just slide that way a little bit.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's a story, Clase.

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Speaker 1: So so, so Joe lives in Arkansas. Just to establish

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Speaker 3: You go up there every year, been going eighteen years.

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Speaker 1: And so now you got a moose.

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Speaker 3: So now we got a moose. I know how to

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Speaker 3: to where I got a pallet of pecan wood.

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Speaker 2: Oh nice, which it's probably not native to the last

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Speaker 1: Of pecans in Alaska, you might call pecan can.

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Speaker 3: First time I went to the last guy was on

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Speaker 3: it was just because they're eating It was a moose hurt.

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Speaker 3: So they're eating all this bark and all of this

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Speaker 3: I know all about seasoning. I get the seasoning shipped

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Speaker 3: So this is a plan. We make a little flyer,

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Speaker 3: we invite the whole village. Everything's riding on this bed frame. Well,

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Speaker 3: we go to Whittier, We bear hunt for three days

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Speaker 3: And we show up in the nil chick, Alaska and

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Speaker 3: the first thing I want to do is see my cooker.

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Speaker 3: And it's in a little old six inch box about

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Speaker 1: But it's supposed to be still.

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Speaker 3: It's set all still man and I got it for

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Speaker 3: bought something on Amazon that, Oh you don't get what

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Speaker 3: hunter from South Arizona. Great story about that guy. A chiropractor,

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Speaker 3: They come up and they said, we hear you're cooking

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Speaker 3: They don't get rid of nothing. So we go on

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Speaker 3: a little field trip scavenger hunt. We get about ten

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Speaker 3: Doo version of an RV park, kind of like you

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Speaker 3: know how it's kind of spooky, and sitting off in

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Speaker 3: the corner is a spit roasting barbecue pit all by itself.

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Speaker 1: I've already built.

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Speaker 3: Already built. So we ease down this road, get over there.

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Speaker 3: And as we're driving down the road, he's hopping out

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Speaker 3: about every three hundred yards filling up the tires. We

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Speaker 3: and it's got a pulse. You hear a little. That's

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Speaker 3: had set over there about twenty years. An electric motor

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Speaker 1: Now, when when do we have to feed the people?

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Speaker 3: The next day?

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Speaker 3: Still haven't seen the moose. Okay, I mean, there's no

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Speaker 2: And uh is the moos frozen at this time?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I know there's a moose, and I'd

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Speaker 3: heard this moose was about six hundred pounds. And as

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Speaker 3: locals start showing up helping us, everybody wants to help.

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Speaker 3: This is a big party of the year. You know.

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Speaker 3: This moose keeps getting lighter and lighter and lighter. And

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Speaker 3: I'm not discouraged by this. That means I could sleep sleep,

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Speaker 3: running jumping the truck. We go to where the moose

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Speaker 3: is and one of these homemade walk in coolers, you know,

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Speaker 3: pick up a rabbit or something, you know. He said

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Speaker 3: that moose it don't weigh two hundred and fifty pounds.

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Speaker 3: And we open up the door and it was about

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Speaker 3: two hundred fifty pounds, so it was a yearly a calf, yeah,

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Speaker 3: which is still a big piece of meat.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're not going to cook a hog two

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty pounds and be successful. You want a

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Speaker 3: hog one hundred and ten one hundred and twenty pounds, right.

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Speaker 3: So we pick up the moose, bring it back and

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Speaker 3: I rubbed this whole moose down with vinegar, clean it

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Speaker 3: is going to peck this moose apart. Nothing happened. Four

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so yeah, man, Well, World champions Squirrel Cookoff.

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Speaker 4: I think Joe's secretly getting rich off of the squirrel Cookoff.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna tell my wife.

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Speaker 3: Man, I get the fun of being around some people

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Speaker 3: Clay was part of it. Yeah? Yeah, and the part

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Speaker 3: There's a guy named Blake. He had a big old

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were supposed to film Blake hunting this bear

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Speaker 1: You remember this, Yeah, you would think you would think

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Speaker 1: You know. When they called me about that, I thought

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Speaker 1: cool guy and has this really legit show. And anyway,

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00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: they said, well, we need a bear on this day.

433
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 1: And so I then put out a net of people

434
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: that I knew and knew where they were hunting, and

435
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, if anybody kills a bear, call me.

436
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: And sure enough, that day, my buddy Trey Clark killed

437
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: a bear. And so we had a bear and the

438
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: whole crew came down. They filmed it. They filmed us

439
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: making bear crack ones.

440
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 3: That was a great show.

441
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was cool. It was cool. It's about all

442
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: about the Ozark.

443
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 3: They gave us a list they wanted bear hunt, rabbit hunt,

444
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,359
Speaker 3: sucker fish and sucker crat well giggingsuckers on the river.

445
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 3: And then they wanted to crow hunt. And they asked

446
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 3: if I'd ever cooked crow, and I said I'd done

447
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 3: it twice, but I'd been drinking both times. And they said,

448
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 3: so you don't eat crow all the time, and I said, no,

449
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 3: nobody does. Poultry is forty five cents a pound. Now

450
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 3: you can tell this was back in twenty eleven. I said,

451
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 3: poultry is forty five cent a pound. We don't have

452
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 3: no room to go out there and work like that

453
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 3: for them crow. And they said, we really need crow.

454
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 3: So I called Phillis Spears, and Phillips Spears had been

455
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 3: cooking on PBS for years and years here in the Ozarks.

456
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: And I called Phyllis and I said Phyllis. I got

457
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 3: myself in a pickle. I said I I need to

458
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 3: cook some crow for a TV show and she said

459
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 3: you need my help and I said yeah, And she

460
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: said do I need to bring my own crow? I

461
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 3: said probably, wouldn't it hurt? And a side story on

462
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 3: that man. We went out by my house to crow hunt,

463
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: and we knew there was crows out there, and we

464
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: start calling a little bit and one of the guys

465
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: he goes shooting at that you know, that old spy

466
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 3: crow that comes out and wreckx the old deal for us,

467
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 3: and that director smoking that cigar, he says, we need

468
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 3: to kill some crows. And he said what can we do?

469
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: I said, well, I guess we could go to the

470
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: store and buy a few things and it may help us.

471
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 3: So we went to one of them giant retailers off

472
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 3: the highway. There we had us specializing in everything hunting

473
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: and fishing. And when we pulled up that deal, we

474
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 3: grabbed three shopping carts and we bought fishing poles and

475
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: bull blinds, and we bought everything. None of it really

476
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 3: dealt with crows too much. But he had a credit

477
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 3: card and he was willing to spend it. And so

478
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 3: to make a good TV show, we get back. Phyllis

479
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 3: is there. She pops her tailgate down. She's got four

480
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 3: dead crows in the back, and we threw that one

481
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 3: in the air three different times to make some be roll.

482
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: That's the true story, man. We made some bee roll,

483
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 3: and we cooked the crow. She made shepherd's pie and

484
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 3: then we just fried.

485
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 4: Up some c How she cook it for the shepherd.

486
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 4: So she put it in rart. She cook it first before.

487
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: She put it on shepherds.

488
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 3: She kind of browned it up and then put it in.

489
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 3: But man, my nemesis in life is sweet potatoes. I

490
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 3: just I can't do them. That's not my deal. And

491
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: so I dug around all them orange potatoes to get

492
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 3: to the crow. Meat. If you ask me, crow is

493
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 3: exceptionally good. And if you find that video and you

494
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 3: look back at it, I went back for seconds on

495
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 3: the crow. To me, it was beefy. It was. It

496
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: was the farthest thing from poultry. And what was unique

497
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 3: was was the thighs were the dark meat and the

498
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 3: breast was the lighter colored meat on the crow. And

499
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: these I'm talking ozark crows, so we know what they eat.

500
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 3: That armadilla is everything on the side of the road.

501
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: I'm thinking the boar was up there in Nebraska and Iowa.

502
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: Might have some good crows.

503
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: I think they got good crows.

504
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: And so the squirrel cookoff was They said, do you

505
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: cook squirrel?

506
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 3: I said, world champion squirrel. And they said how do

507
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: you know. I said, well, we throw a world championship.

508
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: They said, when is it. I said, well, when are

509
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 3: you coming?

510
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: And it's kind of like the water Witch and saying

511
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: where do you want your Well.

512
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, does that mean it's not real?

513
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: So they said the date whatever it was, I think

514
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: it was in August, late AUGUSTA And I said, you

515
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 3: ain't gonna believe this. It's the same weekend, no kidding.

516
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, it's the same weekend. They say, how

517
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: many teams you got? I don't know, like twenty five.

518
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: The whole time I'm telling this story, I'm thinking, man,

519
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: I got some work to do. And so they're good.

520
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: At digging yourself holes. It is like when you went

521
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: to Alaska, same deal. I didn't have a spit.

522
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: Let's see a pattern for me.

523
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: It is your life fifty one years of this trap on.

524
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: I mean, so they said we're gonna be there in

525
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: two weeks. Yeah, no problem, man, you'll be there right

526
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 3: in time. And so I went to scrambling.

527
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: So you had two weeks to put together the World

528
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: Chamionship Squirrel.

529
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: And this was in twenty eleven.

530
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so I start calling friends. This is where

531
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 3: networking comes in. If I could give anybody the secret

532
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 3: of life, build you a network. You gotta have a

533
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: guy right, you gotta have a friend. You gotta do favors,

534
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: never asking for him to come back to you. But

535
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 3: trust me, they will. So I started calling people.

536
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: That's good advice.

537
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: I started calling people. I said, hey, hold Joe's in

538
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:56,239
Speaker 3: a pickle. I gotta get a squirrel cook off going. Man,

539
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 3: I don't even cook squirrel. I don't care. He's just me.

540
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: We'll cook it. I believe I had teams from seven states. Wow,

541
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: show up?

542
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: Did you get twenty five teams?

543
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, in two weeks and they come from seven states.

544
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 3: And in my mind I needed judges, so let's be fair.

545
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 3: So I call two different county judges, actual actual judges, because.

546
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: These weren't guys that you had stood in front of before, were.

547
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 3: No, but they were heavyweights, you know, and I knew

548
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: they knew how to eat. So I got two got

549
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 3: I got two judges and chef Matthew McClure. Yeah yeah,

550
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 3: and uh he was a James Beard type chef. And

551
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: I said, man, I need you come eat some squirrel

552
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: with me, and he agreed to it. So we made

553
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: this show. And you're gonna find this hard to believe.

554
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: I dug myself into another little whole nother one because

555
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: we got so much attention that show aired Clay in

556
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 3: like a hundred twenty countries. You know, Me and Clay

557
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: become movie stars overnight on this deal. Well, they start

558
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: sending messages, I need a T shirt. I got them.

559
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: They twenty bucks, so I had to find someone to

560
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: make a mess with T shirts. Well then I started

561
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: sending T shirts to Australia and the heck it costs

562
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 3: more than twenty bucks to get over. Yeah, so it

563
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: was a short lived business. And uh that started it. Man.

564
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: We got we got a lot of traction or a

565
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 3: lot of traction, and but but it it turned into

566
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: something I never thought it would. Now you could call

567
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 3: it a lie. I don't know if it was a lie.

568
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: It was just something that wasn't there yet.

569
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: Well it was a fabricated truth, good fabricated.

570
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: I could go with that.

571
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: Well you but but you you followed through on it

572
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: and then it's and it's then it's become something really cool.

573
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: So the World Championship Squirrel Cookoff is in Springdale, Arkansas, Yes, sir,

574
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: at the Arkansas Game and Fish Big Nature Center there.

575
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, right off the highway.

576
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: September thirteenth September thirteenth, twenty twenty five. It's a one

577
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: day event.

578
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: One day event, all day, nine o'clock in the morning

579
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 3: till we get done.

580
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: Bear, have you been hadn't you? Yeah, like three or

581
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: four years. Describe what it's like.

582
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: Uh.

583
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: Basically, there's a bunch of teams cooking squirrels.

584
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: Uh.

585
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 5: And then there's just there's all sorts of like attraction

586
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 5: and stuff, live music and.

587
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: Uh Simmons from Kiss Okay did you see him there?

588
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: I saw whoever was playing.

589
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 5: But yeah, basically a bunch of teams cooking squirrels and

590
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 5: then they you know, they're cooking throughout the day, they

591
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 5: bring it to the judges and then they judge the squirrels.

592
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: They're squirrel skinning contests. Yeah, squirrels contests is a real hoot.

593
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: But I'd say the biggest attraction though, is all the

594
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: different teams all day while they're cooking. So they've only

595
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: got to cook like two meals for the judges.

596
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're cooking an entree in a side for

597
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: six judges.

598
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 2: Okay, do both have to have squirrel in them?

599
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: If you don't put squirrel in your side, issue lost

600
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 3: and not because you're disqualified. It's just worth five points.

601
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 3: And so anytime we're in any sort of anything, five

602
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 3: points is a lot, right, and then out of one

603
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 3: hundred points, five is huge. And so yeah, but there's

604
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 3: tricks like we've had people use squirrel bone broth to

605
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 3: mix in with their masa to make tortillas oh right

606
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: and snaky.

607
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: So let me say that's the thing that I think

608
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: stands out to people as a as an event that

609
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: people would come to, is that you get so these

610
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: people are cooking for six judges, but everybody's cooking a

611
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: whole lot so all day. It's kind of just the

612
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: thing that as guys they're cooking, they're giving away food

613
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: for free to the public. And there's no guarantee that

614
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: anybody's going to do that. They don't have to do

615
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: that per se.

616
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: But I think they want to. And yeah, I think

617
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 3: that goes back to who we are as outdoors people, right.

618
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: We like to share our bounty and we also like

619
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 3: to let people experience new things. And you know we

620
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: did two years ago we cooked the two largest Asian

621
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: carp that had ever been caught. Right, they come out

622
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: of Grand Lake, Brian Baker, out of Grand Lake is

623
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: a guide over there. He figured out how to locate

624
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 3: and snag these horrible fish, right, we want them out

625
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: of our waters. Arkansas just offered up with one hundred

626
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 3: dollars bounty on every black carp right, and so they

627
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 3: become a big problem. So Brian was breaking these records

628
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 3: and I hollered at Brian and I said, man, what

629
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: are you doing those fish? He said, what do you

630
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 3: want it for? Us? So I'd like to make tacos

631
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: out of out of big oasan carp and I got

632
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: the University of Arkansas's culinary team to come down and

633
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 3: cook this carp. Never in the history of man, do

634
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 3: you think there's ever been a thousand people waiting in

635
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 3: line to eat a carp?

636
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 2: Really?

637
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: I mean, it's unbelievable the things that that we've cooked

638
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: at this event. You know, we we we've cooked everything,

639
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: exotic animals. You know, some guy goes down to Texas

640
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: and shoots an exotic and he don't know what to

641
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 3: do with it. We'll take it, well, we'll cook it

642
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 3: and we'll.

643
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: Feel So is it still twenty five teams?

644
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 3: No, So we're a maximum of forty. And the reason

645
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: why we're a maximum of forty. Is it's torturous to

646
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: the judges?

647
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 2: Sure?

648
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 3: Brent Reeves has judged twice now, I guess. And in

649
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 3: Big Old Brent he hits the wall man. There's a

650
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: wall that hit Yeah.

651
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: So last year, uh, Malcolm from How to Barbecue?

652
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 5: Right?

653
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah?

654
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 3: Malcolm Reed.

655
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: Malcolm Reed was there. He's a really cool guy, has

656
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: a huge, huge internet following YouTube TikTok. When I want

657
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: to major barbecue man, when I want to.

658
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 2: Know how to cook something.

659
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Malcolm comes and then Clifton Jackson, who has

660
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: a twenty two rifle named after him.

661
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: I believe it's the most expensive squirrel rifle you could buy. Yeah,

662
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: Cooper Arms puts it together.

663
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,959
Speaker 1: So Clifton is a Arkansas game and fish biologist won

664
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: the squirrel skinning contest multiple years and.

665
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 3: Every year every year unbeaten every year.

666
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 4: Like since you started doing the skinning contest every year?

667
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: What method is a somebody needs to he used the

668
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: tail method.

669
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 2: Somebody needs to thrown this guy teeth. He's like the.

670
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: Guy they've used. It's pretty, it's pretty, it's pretty gross.

671
00:37:58,719 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: It can be.

672
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: I mean this year it got down to the finals

673
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: and it was Clifton and another fella and they're really

674
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 3: wanting to win this deal, and the crowd is behind him.

675
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 3: You know, we're hooting and a hollering, and Clifton had

676
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: a squirrel that had it was definitely a shotgun squirrel.

677
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 3: It probably a closer range and it split on him.

678
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 3: Oh and so since it split on him, he went

679
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 3: third gear on this deal and grabbed grabbed his teeth.

680
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 2: Oh really, oh myn He.

681
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 3: Goes to torking around on this and so his competition

682
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 3: sees this and thinks this is the method. So his

683
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: competition is a tugging around?

684
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: Is this a timed vent?

685
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 1: First off, it's like two on two, Like so you said,

686
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: how long does it take it? It's two people and

687
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: they go head to head and whoever wins moves on.

688
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: So it's like we'll call it squirrel skin and drag racing.

689
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: I see, yeah, right, And so you know, if you're

690
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: up against Clifton, you probably won't do very good. But

691
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: if you're there, I saw people that had never skinned

692
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: a squirrel.

693
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 3: Oh really, Like yeah, and there's people that will impress you.

694
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: I mean you'll have these dainty females show up and

695
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 3: we become judgmental, and then all of a sudden she

696
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 3: undresses a squirrel like a Barbie doll, you know, just

697
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: wam skins off. This thing is done. Yeah, and uh

698
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 3: so yeah, we do side shows. We do that. We

699
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: bring in music, we bring in and it's free. Is

700
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: it's free is you just walk in there. And Kevin Murphy,

701
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: Kevin Steve Arnella's proclaimed the greatest small game hunter in

702
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: the world. Kevin Murphy has come the last two years.

703
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's coming this year or not,

704
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 3: but the last couple of years he's been there.

705
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kevin brings dogs with him. Me and Me and

706
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: Brent are playing to come. I'm and uh uh Jannist

707
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: Brutellius is wanting to come. I have a feeling they won't.

708
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: It's right in the middle of this, this whole ELK season.

709
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's in the way.

710
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but.

711
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: You know, trying to put an event amongst the fall yep.

712
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to stand around and eat squirrel in the

713
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: middle of summer in Arkansas.

714
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: It's we've had good weather, you know. Yeah, And I

715
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 3: went ahead and AI didn't. The weather's gonna.

716
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: Beautiful that day, perfect, sweet.

717
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: I checked it out, and they said.

718
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 4: Joe In say, for instance, last year, do you have

719
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 4: any idea how many squirrels were consumed in this event?

720
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 3: Ballpark Man forty teams, I'm gonna say, or between eight

721
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 3: hundred and a thousand.

722
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: One hundred. Where do where do all these squirrels come from?

723
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: Mostly from the tops of trees, but not to sell.

724
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 2: But I'm squirrels are you?

725
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 1: Are you looking for teams right now?

726
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: Absolutely? I'm looking for teams. And you know, and I

727
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 3: get it. There's a lot of places in this country

728
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 3: to where squirrel season doesn't start till October. And uh,

729
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: you know, which is really unfair. I mean, there's not

730
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: a lot of science billboards out there saying don't walk

731
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 3: in this field because you might disturb a squirrel. Yeah,

732
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: when you're jogging or when your power goes out or whatever.

733
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: You know, they're squirrels. Those squirrels are knocking the power

734
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: out quite frequent. But uh, the biggest problem is is

735
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 3: this is one of the only cookoffs that I know

736
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: of that you got to work before the cookoff to

737
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: be able to be in the cookoff. You can't go

738
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: down to the b wyl squirrel it is and and

739
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: but once again. It goes back to the heart of

740
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: the outdoors people. You know, there's plenty of people. If

741
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: I put out a nine to one one that man

742
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: I got three teams and they don't have any meat,

743
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: someone's gonna gonna volunteer. But part of the game is

744
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 3: is I want you to get out and try it.

745
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 3: I want you to understand why we feel that this

746
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: game meets so precious. You know them big game hunts,

747
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: watching Clay chase a mountain, goat up a hill, or

748
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 3: watching Clay on his moose hunt and all this and

749
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 3: everybody you watch who does this? I mean, you're putting

750
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: yourself at risk. You've spent your treasure to get there.

751
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: You've thought about it for so long. There's been so

752
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: much work put into this. You better eat that meat.

753
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 3: And let me tell you what an insult would be.

754
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 3: An insult would be to use some sort of chinatte

755
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 3: and plastic. Now, grab that medal, grab that good plate

756
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 3: and turn it into a meal. If if we live

757
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 3: our whole lives just feeding people on a napkin, this

758
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: game meat that we get it becomes third rate meat automatically,

759
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 3: you know, showcase it. It's the treasure, the older we get,

760
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 3: the more we much rather see young people do all

761
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: the stuff. You know, my son right now is me hunting,

762
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 3: and this year we turkey hunted in three states and

763
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 3: he got two bucks. And he likes squirrel hunting and

764
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 3: all that, and he stands there and he helps clean it.

765
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 3: And then at the end of it, if you ask

766
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 3: my son what his favorite meat is, it's not squirrel.

767
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 3: That's my daughter. But if you ask him, his favorite

768
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: meat is bear. Out of all the things that he

769
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 3: could eat, and I think he got into some really

770
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: good bears that he was eating on, you know, but

771
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: he just he loves bear meat. And it's because we

772
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 3: make big deal out of it, and when we cook it,

773
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 3: it's labeled right on the package. You know, when you

774
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: go out to the freezer, you know what you're getting,

775
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 3: and it kind of puts you a notch above a

776
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: lot of other people who don't know anything about what

777
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: they're eating. Yeah, and it's it's a cool story. It

778
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: should be a bigger story told. Is the use of

779
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 3: what we are out there getting And I like to

780
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: be just a small part of it. And we've fed

781
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: tens of thousands of people their first taste of game meat.

782
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 3: Most people come and their noses turned up, and when

783
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 3: they taste that first bite, that whole paradigm of what

784
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 3: they just ate goes away. And especially whenever whenever you're

785
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 3: doing it right.

786
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, what would So the thing that most people ask

787
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: me about the World Championship Squirrel cook Off is what

788
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: do people cook? So you might think that it's gonna

789
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: be like squirreling dumplings, fried squirrel, you know, kind of

790
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: these traditional meals. It rarely is what, Barry, do you

791
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: remember any specific dishes that somebody made. I'll try to

792
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: run through a few and if you'll think of maybe

793
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: four or five really good ones or just memorable ones.

794
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: So if you get a team, if you're one of

795
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: the lucky forty that gets the spot and you've never

796
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: been here, you are gonna be There's all levels of cooks. Yeah,

797
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: there's people that have never even cooked squirrel that are

798
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: doing it. There's also the potential to be some legitimate

799
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: chefs that work at restaurants. You are, but you really

800
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 1: need to do something cool. I don't think this team

801
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: even placed, or I know they actually didn't, but it

802
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: stood out to me there was a team one time

803
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: that they were dressed like people from Chick fil A,

804
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: and they made Chick fil A squirrel sandwiches and them

805
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: did you Yeah, well, don't spoil my story, Joe. Let

806
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 1: me just have fun for a minute here. So they

807
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: I actually may have told this story before. The point

808
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: is that they they made sandwiches squirrel sandwiches. They had

809
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: the waffle fries, and they had a shtick like so

810
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: you know, the idea was that when the judge got it,

811
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: they would be like, oh, squirrel fil a and it

812
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: was really good. I don't even know what they had

813
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: as a side dish. You know, you have the squirrel

814
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: gumbo people, but everybody has this like elaborate meal, and

815
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: the better naming that you have of it usually does good.

816
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 1: There's some marketing in the way it looks. I've had

817
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: squirrel chocolate chip cookies, squirrel meat chocolate chip cookies for real?

818
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, ice cream?

819
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: What uh do you remember? Any like really good?

820
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 5: Didn't like some sort of some sort of typhood place

821
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 5: last year?

822
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: Do really well? Asia food tends to do really well. Yeah.

823
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 3: And one of the reasons is is, you know, if

824
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 3: you if you think about the activities a squirrel is

825
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: participating in he's using every muscle on that body, right,

826
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 3: and so dark meat, dark meat, but meat with a

827
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 3: lot of power. You know, if you're looking at a steer,

828
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: when you get to the chuck, the first three ribbis

829
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 3: coming off that chuck are going to be the most tender.

830
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 3: And that's because that animal doesn't turn right there, right.

831
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 2: It's it's unused.

832
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 3: It's lazy meat meat, and so lazy meat is going

833
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 3: to be your most tender. Now you're working meat, it's

834
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 3: going to be your most flavorful, but tougher. It's you

835
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 3: need to put more care into it. So if you

836
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: take that tough, working meat and you cut it into

837
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 3: small pieces, something that your tooth can can go ahead

838
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 3: and get through. That's where these Asian dishes really come in.

839
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 3: We've had people grind it make squirrel sausage. But Clay

840
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 3: is right. Showmanship is a big part of anything. It's

841
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 3: it's twenty five points.

842
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 2: So there's a rubric for scoring.

843
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 1: Very very serious, very very legit scoring system.

844
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 3: Yeah well, and you I mean you guys majure deer

845
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 3: antlers for weeks upon weeks. So if these people are

846
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 3: coming to win a World Championships, I'm gonna.

847
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: Want it to be some standardization.

848
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: You want it to be as standard and I want

849
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 3: my judges to be as accurate as possible. You know,

850
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 3: I always ask all judges when they first come in

851
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 3: if they have any squirrel allergies? Right, I meancause I

852
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 3: can't have that. But uh, the fact that you have

853
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: put in the time, the effort to hunt the animal,

854
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: to focus and build a recipe, to come and put

855
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 3: that recipe together, I want you to be critiqued as

856
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: fair as possible.

857
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that.

858
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 3: Tells you that that guy who may work at a

859
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 3: high end restaurant, or that lady who might cook on

860
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: the river bank or equals at this steal. And another

861
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 3: key component to keep in this, this ain't a chili

862
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 3: cook off. This isn't cooking briskets or anything. Everybody's cooking

863
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 3: something different. So you're gonna be judged on your own merit.

864
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

865
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: And yeah, that's a big party.

866
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 1: And it's it's a lot of it. I mean, if

867
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: I were, if I had a team, I would be

868
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: thinking real serious about what I was gonna make. And

869
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, you could you could always go with something

870
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: simple and just make it really good, or you could

871
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: do something crazy. I mean there's been squirrel pizza. Yeahirrel

872
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: squirrel pizza.

873
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 3: Won last year. Oh really, yeah, it really did. And

874
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, to the rule state that

875
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 3: eighty percent of the meat used in the dish has

876
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 3: to be squirrel. Now it doesn't say that eighty percent

877
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 3: of the dish is squirrel, right, right, And that confused.

878
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: So you can have other meat in there with it.

879
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: Well twenty percent, but like your pizza, you may only

880
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: be eating a little bit of squirrel. But and like

881
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: most of your meal is a pizza with cheese and the.

882
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 3: Dough and yeah, everything, And so that's why that's confusing.

883
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 3: So if you're thinking about coming eighty percent of the

884
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 3: meat you use and that eighty twenty is a perfect

885
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 3: combination of hamburger, right, So we wanted to allow twenty

886
00:50:50,680 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 3: percent for other which could be fat. We had a

887
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 3: team of doctors come from Oklahoma one time and they

888
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 3: made squirrel hot dogs which they actually emulsified and really

889
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 3: did all of this and and uh so they're twenty

890
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 3: percent was a can of spam, right, because that can

891
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: they make it there got you. That's why when Clay

892
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 3: said the Chick fil A story, and I said, disqualified

893
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 3: them because the rules clearly state that the squirrel has

894
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: to be whole, quartered or half and unmarnated.

895
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: Okay, And so everybody starts at the same time.

896
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're all. We're all. Heck, I was modern before

897
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 3: I knew it, But every everybody's equal at this deal. So, uh,

898
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 3: in order to make that Chick fil a sandwich, the

899
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 3: secret the Chick fil A has always done is what

900
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 3: pickle juice, pickle juices.

901
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: They marinated it.

902
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 3: So they had marinated their whirl and pickle juice, I

903
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 3: see before they got there. And so one of the

904
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 3: things we do to make sure there's no contraband is

905
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 3: we do a meat inspection. The meat inspection is to

906
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 3: see that the meat is forty degrees or less, that

907
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: it is squirrel, it's a whole quarter or half, and

908
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 3: it's not been marinated or season. And then straight up

909
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 3: nine o'clock, everybody starts off fresh and you go and

910
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 3: make it.

911
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: What time is the judging about?

912
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 3: Noon? Have you got judges this year? I'm looking for

913
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 3: a couple. I'm looking for a cop.

914
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: I'm out. But that seems like a hard job. It

915
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: is fun, it's fun. I've been back there in the

916
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: room and it's really a fun vibe.

917
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know Arkansas Game and Fish, I give

918
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 3: them a judging spot every year and they auction it

919
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 3: off to raise money to help whatever it is. And

920
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 3: that is always amazes me watching that auction because I'm

921
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 3: looking at cool stuff, you know, sitting over here, and

922
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 3: squirrel judge is higher than about a bunch of stuff.

923
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: And really, this this event has so much potential. I mean,

924
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: it's already like thriving. I mean, you know, I don't

925
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: I don't know do we have any idea how many

926
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 1: people would have come on a given day, I mean

927
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: just a guess.

928
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 3: I mean, like an overwhelming amount of people.

929
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's not a huge it's not a

930
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 1: it's not a it's not like this thing sprawled out

931
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: over half a mile or something. I mean, like the

932
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: courtyard there at the Nature Center is you know, not

933
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: too big. But I mean several thousand people are coming

934
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: to this seat.

935
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 3: We had to make between seven and eight thousand people.

936
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and it's one day. A lot of people,

937
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: a lot of fun, a lot of there's other like

938
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: the our buddy Casey Brewster down here that brings his

939
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: pack goats up there and it's given given letting kids

940
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: feed and play with the goats, and he's showing how

941
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: he uses them for packing and doing all kind of stuff.

942
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: And the fish tank will be there at the Arkansas

943
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: Game and Fish they bring their fish tank.

944
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 3: Yeah that that. We have a shooting event, you know,

945
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 3: bb guns, pellet rifles, things like that's going on. Cool. Uh.

946
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 3: What we try to do is is we try to

947
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 3: show who we are and not intimidate people. I think camouflage,

948
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 3: for some reason is intimidating to those who don't wear camouflage, right,

949
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 3: and there was a time in history. There was a

950
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 3: time in history.

951
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm so intimidating. We're people.

952
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 3: People thought that was the army because hunters were wearing

953
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 3: red and black flannels and you know it's an army guy.

954
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 3: But you know a lot of sources has tried to

955
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 3: turn people with firearms or people that hunt into bad people.

956
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 3: We put a lot of effort in showing that's different.

957
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: Uh.

958
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 3: One of the things I'm proud of at the event

959
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 3: is we bring in a lot of of organizations that

960
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 3: support children. You know, we're fingerprinting kids, We're doing all

961
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,840
Speaker 3: that with the sheriff's departments, they're doing a database to

962
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 3: protect kids, and we want to protect kids. This year,

963
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 3: there's going to be two different organizations that deal with

964
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 3: foster kids. And you know, one of the things that

965
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:28,959
Speaker 3: we're trying to do is get these foster kids into

966
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 3: the outdoors. That's a high risk deal. You know, God

967
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 3: bless the people who take on the responsibility of being

968
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 3: the foster kids. And you don't know what that kids

969
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 3: went through, but we've heard it time and time again,

970
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 3: the healing of PTSD and depression and all that through

971
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 3: the outdoors. It's not even an experiment, it's the truth, right.

972
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 3: And so this year, when you show up, they're not

973
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 3: going to have signs on them clay that say I'm

974
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 3: a foster kid, right, because they're just kids who don't

975
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 3: know about the outdoors. And so I've had a couple

976
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 3: of those organizations reach out and I want, I want,

977
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 3: I want them to know they're just people, right, just

978
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: like us, We're just people. And I want them to

979
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 3: gain experiences that prove that they're just people. And uh,

980
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 3: I offered one organization three team spots, and I said,

981
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 3: get your adult and take two of these kids and

982
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 3: they might become world champions. Now, anybody who tries to

983
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 3: help people in life, you're you're kind of it's a

984
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 3: false thing that thinks you're gonna heal everything because of

985
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 3: your organization or whatever. Drop that. Just heal one or

986
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 3: heal ten and let those go out and be the

987
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 3: ones that do it for you in the future. And

988
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 3: so I want to help out these foster kids a bunch.

989
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 3: There's a bunch of them out there. Arkansas's estate loaded down.

990
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 3: You know, we're as a country, we're loaded down. So

991
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 3: I'm gonna bring those out a lot of feel good

992
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 3: stories out there. A C. C. Crappy sticks. They're coming

993
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 3: from Tennessee. They're they're gonna fry up a whole bunch

994
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 3: of fish that you know, to give to the public.

995
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 3: Towns and spice and supply, an Arkansas company will be

996
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 3: there seasoning up all kinds of weird stuff and and

997
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 3: we feed it to to everybody. So we don't sell

998
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 3: food at this event. We give it to you.

999
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, it's it's that's that's what makes this so unique.

1000
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: It's free.

1001
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: And then you come and you'll, you know, if you're there,

1002
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: especially if they're early, you'll you'll leave full with a

1003
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: bunch of cool food.

1004
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 3: And then we record an episode of the Render and uh,

1005
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 3: you know what was what's weird about when we record

1006
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 3: the Render is Clay will I ask who hears from

1007
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 3: Arkansas and you'll hear a six pack of people hood

1008
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 3: or holler.

1009
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of out of state people.

1010
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 3: A lot of out of state people.

1011
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: We've done it the last several years. I planned to

1012
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: do it again this year. Do we do like a

1013
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: live render? And it's not a you know, it's not

1014
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: like in a stadium, but like people can we just

1015
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: kind of we're in this big room and people can

1016
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: just kind of gather around and listen and it's a

1017
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: lot of fun.

1018
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 3: Oh it's amazing. Yeah, I really you know last year

1019
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 3: we had multiple families who traveled from England who didn't

1020
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 3: even know each other, who show up in Arkansas to

1021
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 3: eat a squirrel. Wow, And now you said it was

1022
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 3: a lie earlier that I that I said whenever I

1023
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 3: got this thing started, right, I think it was supposed

1024
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: to happen.

1025
00:58:53,200 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know ye World Championship. Yeah, well it's really cool.

1026
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: It's a cool event. Man, it's a lot of fun

1027
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, man, I love some squirrel hunting. So

1028
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: it's a great it's a great a great fit. It's

1029
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: a great fit. And I also loved the story where

1030
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: they kind of they kind of tried to run Joe

1031
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: in the in the event out of Bentonville.

1032
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1033
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we don't have to go in the whole thing.

1034
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 3: But but uh, Bentonville got a little high faluting.

1035
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Benville is uh good. It's a wonderful town. We

1036
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: love Bentonville and uh it's yeah.

1037
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 3: But they're asking for it back.

1038
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 1: Are they they want it back? Oh, they want us

1039
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: to come back.

1040
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 3: Now, they all us come back. Everybody needs a redneck. Hell,

1041
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 3: you don't know when you're gonna be a flat tar.

1042
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 3: But uh man, I would really like us to promote

1043
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 3: the hunting end of it better. I've never been able

1044
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 3: to do that, and I think you, in particular do

1045
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 3: a good job showcasing that. I think Baird a good job.

1046
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,959
Speaker 3: I think Bear is one of the most needed things

1047
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 3: in the outdoor industry is showing the youth, you know,

1048
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 3: because there's so many novice people. As a dad who

1049
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 3: grew up in it, I have experience and I know opportunities,

1050
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 3: but it's intimidating for a lot of people and for

1051
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 3: this more rough hunting and fishing style of just going

1052
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 3: down and gig some frogs. That was perfectly normal for

1053
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 3: me as a kid, but now it's so far out

1054
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 3: of line. You know, we need people younger than Bear

1055
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 3: showing it too. I think that's a big, missing, missing

1056
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 3: part of this whole thing. Man.

1057
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1058
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody's got a cell phone. Now, we didn't just

1059
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 3: think of the stuff we'd have on a video. But

1060
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 3: I think what Bear's doing is cool. I think that

1061
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 3: I think that the showmanship has shown dad and son

1062
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 3: and a lot of stuff.

1063
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: Is is if I can get Bar to go with

1064
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: me anymore. He's got all his on friends now.

1065
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 2: I know.

1066
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 3: I've seen him at the bar of Bonanza. I felt

1067
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 3: like he was going to have a paparazzi or something out.

1068
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, man, yeah, I'm looking forward to it's gonna

1069
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: be It's gonna be a blast. And uh yeah, come

1070
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: on out, come on out. Joe needs teams.

1071
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 3: I need.

1072
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: Well how do they read? How do they contact you?

1073
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 3: Well, basically it's always on messenger on Facebook, so there.

1074
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: Pretty much there's no official website.

1075
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 3: Oh that costs money.

1076
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no there's no website, So you got to

1077
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: engage with the facebook page.

1078
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 4: There's a there's a World Champions Squirrel Cookoff facebook page. Yeah,

1079
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Speaker 4: and they can reach out to you directly through there.

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01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll keep you updated on things. You know.

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01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 3: Last year, spur of the moment, I like to scramble

1082
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 3: and uh, I've heard I decided how funny it would

1083
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 3: be to watch kids under ten years old eat raw oyster. Okay,

1084
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 3: and so you were already inside signing autographs or something,

1085
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 3: but we threw a hunder ten year old oysteret in

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01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 3: competition and it worked out exactly like I thought it was.

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Speaker 2: So is that happening again this year?

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01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 3: I maybe, I don't know. I'll come up.

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01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 2: Never got up to sleep, but yeah, it's it's a

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01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 2: it's a.

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01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 3: It's a great family event.

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01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: And yeah it's a family event.

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01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 3: Yep.

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01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: Well, dang bear, I was gonna have you tell about

1095
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: your mule training, but uh, too late. Now close us down,

1096
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: tell us about give us a mule update, mule update,

1097
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: just like overview that people hadn't heard about your mule training.

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Speaker 5: So guys started our mule slow trap like maybe a

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01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 5: month ago for a month and a half ago, got

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01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 5: a saddle on him, got him right in the round pin.

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01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 5: Took him out of the pen for the first time

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01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 5: two days ago, and then today I was just riding

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01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 5: him around and he was doing pretty good, so I

1104
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 5: just had to take him down the road and we

1105
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,919
Speaker 5: just kept going and he did really good.

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01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: I was coming up the road and I saw a

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01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: bear and slow trap coming right down the road. Yeah,

1108
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 1: did miss the lick really? Yeah?

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01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 2: He did everything.

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01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, he did for like two laps around the round pin.

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01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 5: He was bucking at one point the first time I

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01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 5: tried to get him to try.

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01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: Hey, listen, let's talk about the marketing here. I think

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01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: we might describe it more as a crow hop. I

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01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't describe it. I think if it was bucking, it

1116
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: would have bucked you off. He was, he was bucking.

1117
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm telling you, you know, the biggest thing

1118
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: when with the like mule training and stuff, if no

1119
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: one's there, when when you tell someone that the mule

1120
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: was bucking, everybody's like, now, was it really bucking or

1121
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: was it just kind of crow hopping.

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01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, it was all I could do. I mean,

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01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 5: after the first lap around, I started looking for how

1124
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 5: I could jump off onto the side panel, so I

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01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 5: told him this could happen, is that you can.

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01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: So he's riding on this mule in around pen walking it,

1127
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: and it's doing everything he wants it to do, giving

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01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: it cues, and it's moving and stopping, backing up, doing everything.

1129
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: But the first time you trot one, this one hundred

1130
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: and fifty pound animal on your back, you know you're

1131
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: the mule starts bouncing on your back. Well you're trotting,

1132
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: and it's a whole different feeling. And a lot of

1133
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: times the first time you trot them they get it

1134
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: scares them. So I told him, I was like, hey,

1135
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: when you trot him, be careful. Yeah, and yeah, sure

1136
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:36,919
Speaker 1: enough he kind of he didn't like him.

1137
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I was able to stay on him and

1138
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 5: then just you know, we never started going.

1139
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: But Slow Trap it's not it's not our best work.

1140
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: But GERSH. Stocker one of my heroes from Arkansas, old

1141
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 1: guy from the eighteen hundreds that was market hunting and

1142
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: doing a much stuff here in Arkansas. One of his

1143
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: good buddies from south of for Smith on the fouche

1144
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 1: Lea fe River in the wash Toalls was they called

1145
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: him Slow Trap, and Slow Trap was a super good

1146
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,439
Speaker 1: hunter and he and Gershtalker talks about him in the book,

1147
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: and that name always stood out to me, Slow Trap

1148
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: and Gersalk. The Gershtalker book Wild Sports was also the

1149
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: book that I first read about bear Grease. The first

1150
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: time I ever read those words bear Grease was in

1151
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: that book. So Slow Trap is this this? Uh it's

1152
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: a black mule with white stocking feet, and bears trained

1153
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 1: it completely, Like I didn't. I mean, we we used it.

1154
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: We did, I guess I did. We did messed with

1155
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: a little bit last summer. It was packing with us.

1156
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 2: He got a little help from Uncle Cash.

1157
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: He did get a little help from Uncle Cash.

1158
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 2: Uncle Cash really cut him straight.

1159
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, So last summer I saddle broke him or just

1160
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 5: got him to where he could put his saddle off,

1161
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 5: and then we used him a little bit.

1162
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like a total like fresh start. So

1163
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: are you enjoying training the mule?

1164
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1165
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: I am a lot.

1166
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 5: Actually, at first it was a little like you know,

1167
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 5: I knew I wanted to try and train a mule

1168
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 5: just to kind of experience it, because I've heard that

1169
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 5: there's a lot of like you, you gain a lot

1170
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 5: of other stuff whenever you give that Uh, you did Okay, yeah,

1171
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 5: and I mean some other people, but uh so I

1172
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 5: wanted to do it just for the experience. But as

1173
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 5: I've been doing it, I've really been enjoying it, like

1174
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 5: seeing him progress and like start to understand what I'm

1175
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 5: telling him to do, like because because I mean really

1176
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 5: like they speak a language. They don't speak a language,

1177
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 5: but they have a language, and you're just trying to

1178
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 5: figure out how to communicate with them, which is it's

1179
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:41,919
Speaker 5: super interesting and super fun.

1180
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: Really is it's kind of like hunting with a dog.

1181
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you don't have a dog

1182
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: and you just go with somebody with a dog. The experience,

1183
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it can be exhilarating, but it it's it

1184
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: can also be just like oh yeah, that was fun.

1185
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,439
Speaker 1: You get a dog and all of a sudden, it's

1186
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: like next level like human physiology, chemistry, wild stuff. I mean,

1187
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: it's like biological like you're engaging with this animal that

1188
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 1: you raise and that you know, and a lot of

1189
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: cool stuff happens. You talk to somebody about riding mules

1190
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: or horses and they're like, oh, that sounds fun. I

1191
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: get on that horse and ride around. Yeah, you know,

1192
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: it's like maybe not that big a deal. You train

1193
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: a mule or train a horse and then ride it

1194
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: and use it in the mountains to haul out game

1195
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: or to rope on or whatever you're going to do,

1196
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: completely different experience.

1197
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 3: I'm going through the same deal. I want to talk

1198
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 3: to Josh about it a little bit. Uh oh, Well,

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01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 3: from my whole life, I always thought fly fishing was ridiculous.

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01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 3: I always I compared fly fishing to the chopsticks and

1201
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 3: the fork that once China found out there was a

1202
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 3: fork available, they should have just did it the chopsticks

1203
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 3: and went straight. They didn't, but they didn't. They held

1204
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 3: on to the chopsticks, and then I took fly fishing

1205
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 3: was like if I drove four hours to go fishing

1206
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 3: with my spinning reel and I got there and it broke,

1207
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna have to deal with it, so I'll

1208
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 3: just swing this fishing line around and try to catch

1209
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 3: a fish. Well, about a month ago, I went on

1210
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 3: a fly fishing deal and I caught some fish in

1211
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 3: a place that I know the only way I was

1212
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 3: going to catch those fishes with what that dude put

1213
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 3: in my hand that day. So I did what I'd do,

1214
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 3: and I scrambled and now I own three different fly rods.

1215
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 3: I bought all kinds of stuff, and I stand either

1216
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 3: in the creek in my backyard or in the front yard,

1217
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 3: and I'm trying to figure this out. I no longer

1218
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 3: think that fly fishing is stupid. Now I do think

1219
01:08:53,520 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 3: there's plenty of room for a fork. Well, sir, but

1220
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:05,879
Speaker 3: I want to I want to get a lot better.

1221
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,679
Speaker 1: At this fly If you hadn't been with Josh, No, yeah,

1222
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: you need to go.

1223
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 2: We'll go.

1224
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:11,719
Speaker 3: I tell you how ridiculous.

1225
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 2: You know who's a good fly fisher? That guy right there.

1226
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. You know, catch some fish

1227
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: here in there.

1228
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 3: I'm kind of a fence rider in life. I don't

1229
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 3: want to cross over and get in trouble. But I'll

1230
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 3: go ahead and rub the side of that fence, and

1231
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 3: so you'll rub it.

1232
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: By talking more about fly fishing. We don't talk about

1233
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: fly We're trying to keep our only way.

1234
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 2: We talk about fly fishers when Clay's gone.

1235
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, when the thing gets hijacked.

1236
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 3: Flies that look just like the feed that they feed

1237
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 3: them fish at the hatchery. Oh, and that's probably not traditionalists.

1238
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 3: But I don't think I'm gonna get into this deal.

1239
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 3: Clays a traditionalist. Sometimes I'll use that fly right as

1240
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:55,600
Speaker 3: a cane pole, I promise you. So, yeah, that's what

1241
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,560
Speaker 3: Chop six and Forks brother top six and Forks.

1242
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: Well great. Well, me and Bear we've uh we we

1243
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: broke out The Man from Snowy River about two nights ago.

1244
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 1: That is a great movie if you're training horses, training mules.

1245
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: Bear watched uh running them off a cliff buck.

1246
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, buck Buck Brandman Buck Brandnonman, super Horse whisper movie.

1247
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 3: I heard Dale kind of pin you up on a

1248
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 3: Lonesome Dove.

1249
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I I don't. I don't know

1250
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: that movie that way. I've watched I have watched it,

1251
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 1: but uh, I don't watch a lot of movies.

1252
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,759
Speaker 3: Did you heal from the from the Horses?

1253
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: Now, No, we were. We didn't do any rope or anything.

1254
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 4: The bruise heal heal You went straight up cowboy. I'm

1255
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 4: impressed that that's where your mind went.

1256
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah, healing. Yeah. I can still feel where

1257
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: it kicked me. Yeah, yeah, it was fine. You know

1258
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 1: what when it happened, You know, I had my sunglasses

1259
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: on and I actually thought, there's no way you can

1260
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: get kicked that hard and not break something. I mean,

1261
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 1: I actually thought my leg is gonna be broke. But

1262
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: I watched the video it didn't even look that.

1263
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 2: Man.

1264
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 4: I heard it and I saw it. I was standing

1265
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:23,560
Speaker 4: at the fence, and I thought that's bad. Like anybody

1266
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 4: who heard it was like it was. There was kind

1267
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 4: of like this collective like.

1268
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: Ooh, yeah, I would. It was like like a few

1269
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: days after the doc it was yeah, and then it

1270
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: immediately was just like what you see in the video

1271
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: is like a minute after it happened, and it doesn't

1272
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: even look that bad. By the time we got done,

1273
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: it was it was swollen up quite a bit, and

1274
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: then like two days later it's a big black bruise

1275
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: that kind of spread all down my legs.

1276
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 3: So you stated that you had the sunglasses on where

1277
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,520
Speaker 3: they hide and the allergies that happened.

1278
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: Well, I just think I was I would have. I mean,

1279
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 1: I wasn't crying, but I just feel like if you'd

1280
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: seen my face, you would have seen my eyes. Yeah. Yeah,

1281
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 1: it's no fun getting kicked by a horse or mule,

1282
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 1: But Kyle, when they do you, uh you you you

1283
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: respect that animal because holy Cali got some power. Yeah, yeah,

1284
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 1: bears a bear's mule. Uh well, we've got a new

1285
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: plot hound and slow Trap is like this super gentle

1286
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:30,799
Speaker 1: like dog, gentle mule and uh man, it just reared

1287
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: back and Wick.

1288
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 5: He's not a huge fan of dogs because Tim is

1289
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 5: an idiot, and we'll just like chase him and then

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Speaker 5: so then he'll, you know, start trying to stomp him,

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Speaker 5: and Tim will like run out of the fence before

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Speaker 5: he gets them.

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Speaker 1: So I think he's probably they have a good relationship, though,

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Speaker 1: I think the mule likes it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think at this point that's the same relationship

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Speaker 5: I have with my wife.

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Speaker 3: She kicks me in the head, and I mean she

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Speaker 3: likes it. So hey, if I'll leave the show with this.

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Speaker 3: If you're interested in cooking at the Squirrel Cookoff, reach

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Speaker 3: out to us on Facebook. It's on September thirteenth, Springdale, Arkansas,

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Speaker 3: free to the public. Show up at nine o'clock, enjoy

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Speaker 3: the day. The teams are bound to enjoy the day,

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01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 3: and they like seeing you. They like hearing Clay will

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Speaker 3: be there, Brent Reeves will be there. Josh said he's

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01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 3: showing up yep, bear if he ain't chasing frogs or

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Speaker 3: lizards or whatever he's doing. He'll be there there, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and we'll have a good time. But it's not what

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01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 3: you expect when you get there, and it's a good

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Speaker 3: time for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, thanks Joe.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I got you some sauce ball man.

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Speaker 1: That stuff right there is the best. This is not

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01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 1: like sometimes at meat Eater we have to like put

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01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 1: stuff in the camera and talk about our greatness, and

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Speaker 1: if we do that, it truly is our endorsement. It's

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Speaker 1: good stuff. This is not that, except that this is

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Speaker 1: incredible stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's I wanted to make sure Bears has a pack

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Speaker 3: of that to carry with him when you know, cooking

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Speaker 3: all of the environment.

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Speaker 1: That craft Worcestershire sauce and uh wash your sister sauce Wilsonshire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was easier to say I kind of got

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Speaker 3: one of them impediments.

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Speaker 1: Well, I was pretty proud of what I just said it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, for real, that is like the best stuff

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Speaker 1: in the world. Man, I don't even know. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: even taste like Worcester sauce to me. Well, it's better better,

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Speaker 1: It's better.

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Speaker 3: On there and come see me hey if if you

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Speaker 3: like my story. So we got a little. I've got

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Speaker 3: a podcast and it's called cooking Up a Story. I

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Speaker 3: don't cut this out, okay, but it's called cooking Up

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Speaker 3: a Story. And we take normal people and talk about

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Speaker 3: how struggle leads to success and uh it's it's good.

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Speaker 1: Time, so a lot of fun, all right. Keep the

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Speaker 1: wild places wild because that's where the bears live.