WEBVTT - White Makes Right 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.800 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to okay F Daily with 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:19.239 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody actually recording live from the 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:23.080 Brooklyn Bunker. UM, folks, I want to start off today's 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:28.120 show with an apology. UM. Last week ended in such 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:33.839 an incredible uproar both just I mean, I don't I 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.239 don't even need to go into detail. There was just 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.400 a lot of emotion, a lot of things transpired, a 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:43.199 lot of news broke, and in the midst of that, UM, 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.160 we lost track of the fact that we hadn't recorded 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.960 UM today's opening. And you know, but realizing that both 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:54.960 myself and my producer Andrew, who is who makes the 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:59.480 show UM go up and happen on a regular basis, 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:05.240 we're exhausted and so took the weekend and then surprise 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:09.560 didn't realize ahead of time that we hadn't put up 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:12.640 today's show. So that is the reason why it is late. 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:16.000 I asked that you give the both of us grace 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:19.959 because it's something you know, we take our work, We 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:24.120 take this work, particularly in this time, incredibly seriously. We 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.920 also take our mental health and our rest serious as well. 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.840 And in our rush to put the week behind us, 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:37.920 you know, were didn't, you know, forgot things and that happens. 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:42.119 So I say that to say I appreciate all of you. 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:46.080 You are important to us, to me, and we will 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:47.920 do our best to make sure in the future that 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:53.280 that does not happen again. All right, So over the weekend, 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.720 I really do hope that you all took a much 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.800 needed break from the news. Too many people, too many 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:03.680 of my friends did not and were glued to Twitter 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:08.600 and we're glued to Instagram and we're glued to the news. 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.120 And it was a lot and I got a lot 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:14.959 of messages sent to me by you know, various people 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:19.400 in particular, talking about what they are seeing as even 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:24.800 a more egregious act on top of the horrific images 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:29.320 that we had seen since Russia, since Putin. I will 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.400 say I'm not going to you know, I'm also going 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.880 to be mindful, more mindful than the mainstream media. This 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.840 is not Russian aggression against the Ukraine. This is Putin's 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:44.799 aggression against the Ukraine. And the fact is that his 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:49.840 own country is not behind him. That we have seen massive, 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:56.960 massive historic protests taking place in Estonia, taking place in Amsterdam, 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.960 taking place all over the world, take place here in 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:06.120 New York City. Massive protests taking place in Russia where 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:11.040 the penalty, the penalty for this type of you know, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:18.760 domestic disobedience right can meet you with not only physical scars, 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:23.959 but emotional ones as well. We're talking about an environment 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:28.639 where it is illegal for you to protest, right that 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:32.680 you can be slapped with fines and jail time or worse, 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:38.120 depending on you know, how favorable the police and the 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.800 government are feeling to you at that time. I mean, 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.160 this is what it is like, what it is going 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:47.680 to be like to live in a country whose leader 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:50.320 gets to do whatever the fuck they want, right, and 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:54.680 there is no there there is no accountability, right, they're 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:59.240 accountable to no one but themselves. And by virtue of 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:03.400 the Russian people risking their own safety and lives in 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:07.040 order to say to show the world right that we 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:12.200 are not with this man. Is courage beyond. Right, is 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.720 courage beyond And you know, when we are watching and 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:21.520 seeing images of Ukrainian people, you know, taking up arms, right, 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.000 they told, they said to all of the men in 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.600 the country, if you are of you know, fighting age, 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:31.520 that you can send your family, you know, off to safety, 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.720 but you must stay here and defend your country, and 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:38.160 there are many women that are doing the same. There 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.520 are many old people older than that can fight that 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:45.039 are doing the same, that are like, we're not going 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.040 out like this. And I think that the extraordinary courage 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:52.320 that they're showing, the bravery is amazing, but it is 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.640 also they shouldn't have been put in that position. No 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.919 one should be put in that position. And what pains 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.320 me right now about the mainstream news, And I know 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:05.520 that I oftentimes rail against mainstream media because I think 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:09.240 that when you have tens of millions of people watching 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.680 your shows, watching your networks, and you are so fucking 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:18.440 irresponsible in your coverage, right, you are the perpetuator of 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:23.159 white supremacy. You are the perpetuator of stereotypes and lies. 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.000 You tell me why in this country where we have 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:31.560 just a significant population of Ethiopians, just as significant population 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.960 right to those that are in the Ukraine, why you 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.280 don't cover how their countries are being ravaged by war. 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:40.880 Why it is okay to say, oh my god, when 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.200 you look at the whiteness of these people's skin and 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.520 you say, how could this happen? How could this be 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.080 happening to them? But it's something that you assume would 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:56.520 happen to Ethiopians or Palestinians or you know, Persians or 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:01.120 what have you. Like, you assume, you know aura and 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:05.159 tragedy in those areas of the world. But oh, if 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:10.239 it happens to be in an area that is predominantly white, right, 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.159 then oh my god, we must do all the coverage 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:16.359 because stuff like this just doesn't happen here. So what 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:20.200 you're saying, right, And Amanda Sials, who I cannot stand 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.240 the actress Amanda Seals, but I thank my friend Alicia 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:27.640 who sent me the video of her. Amanda Sials said, So, 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:31.920 what you are saying then, is that these other people 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:34.800 in these other countries, in these other parts of the 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:40.720 world are not civil like, they're not real people, right, 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:44.000 They're not people worthy of empathy, they're not people worthy 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:49.600 of of compassion, they're not people worthy of value in 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:54.360 terms of coverage, right, And so how do you change 0:06:54.600 --> 0:07:00.479 the perception of regions and certain countries by humanizing them? 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:04.400 And mainstream media has the opportunity and dare I say, 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:08.600 the fucking obligation to do so, but they don't because 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:12.160 those that are sitting in the c suites look and 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:17.400 are white and are addicted to whiteness, right and the 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:21.800 power thereof. And any time that someone else says, well 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:23.880 what about everybody else? Oh, why do you have to 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:27.560 bring race into it? Understand that race is brought into 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:32.360 every fucking thing by virtue of you being intentional or not. 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:36.880 So you can be intentional about what is missing, what 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:41.040 perspectives are missing, what coverage is missing, or you can 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.720 just choose not to cover it at all, but understand 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.920 that the decisions that you are making are decisions that 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:52.200 are built and based on race and racism, which brings 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.480 me to what people have been sending me all weekend long. 0:07:56.840 --> 0:08:01.480 There are horrible stories once again coming out of the 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:07.480 bordering nations to the Ukraine that are white nations that 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:14.440 are turning away immigrants of color, namely African immigrants, right, 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:20.640 Latins immigrants, Muslim immigrants, right, that they are turning people 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:26.360 away and letting the white Ukrainians pass. But all of 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.320 those other people that happen to be in the Ukraine 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.760 that are also human fucking beings, that are also fleeing 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.920 violence and looking for safety with their families and are 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:40.000 literally and figuratively being left out in the cold because 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.360 they are looking at them, looking with tears and fear 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.200 in their eyes and saying that your melanin does not 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:50.920 match what we want in our country. And I tweeted 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:55.520 this weekend and I said, why is it so difficult 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.880 for white people to be decent? And I am asking 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:03.840 that question outright, why is it so difficult to just 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:09.240 be fucking kind to people who are not white? I 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:13.040 don't get it. I really don't. And as a black 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.320 person in this world, not just in this country, but 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:21.680 in this world, living in this black body, knowing that everyone, 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:27.280 everyone fucking hates you, you have no idea what that 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:33.000 feels like. By virtue of nothing other than your existence 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:40.520 in a black body, that you are dismissed in your 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.520 moment of need because your moment of need cannot possibly 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.360 be the same as what the white person that is 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:52.959 fleeing along next to you. It's disgusting. And for people 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:54.679 to say, like, oh, why do we have to bring 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.840 race into Why the fuck do you have to bring 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:02.600 race into it? Why is it so difficult for white people, 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:06.120 not just in America but around the world to see 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:10.959 black people and other people of color as people worthy 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:18.000 of safety, of shelter, of compassion, of empathy, of love. 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:22.680 Why is that so difficult? How is it that your 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:28.760 reptilian brain right which is functioning on flight flight and 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.400 flight mode? How is it that you don't look at 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:33.840 the person next to you who is doing the same 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.720 and say, how can I help you? Because you are 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.960 my brother and my sister in tragedy at this time 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:43.120 that we are forging a bond that others will not 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:45.959 be able to see or understand unless they are in 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:54.400 literally these shoes. But no, in the midst of tragedy, 0:10:54.440 --> 0:11:01.240 you find time to create more tragedy, and that, to 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.480 me is outrageous. Don't talk to me about people's borders 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.320 being overwhelmed, and don't talk to me about COVID, because 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.880 when you are letting in thousands and thousands of white 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:16.640 people and denying everybody else, you are sending a very 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:20.720 clear message and we get it. But don't think that 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.400 you're going to do so over the cloak of darkness 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.199 or be able to make up an excuse other than 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.400 the one that's staring us all in the fucking face. 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:37.960 You know, we cannot change this shit because we have 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:43.040 mainstream media that is complicit in it, that will come 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:45.920 up for every excuse as to why this certain group 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:49.520 of people that are African, that are Arab, that are whatever, 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:54.240 are savages, not worthy of safety. But oh look and 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:58.320 let me tell you these heartbreaking stories about white families. 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:07.160 It is a self perpetuating prophecy, over and over and 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.520 over and over again. And I for one, am going 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.920 to consistently and outright call bullshit all the fucking time, 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:23.160 because the only people that consistently harp on and bring 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:28.280 up and make everything, including policy about race and racism, 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:35.600 are white people in power, and they would like to 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:40.040 distract everyone by saying, oh, no, we're not talking about X, 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:42.920 Y and Z. You think that by leaving it out, 0:12:43.440 --> 0:12:51.280 we don't know what you're doing. It's bullshit. And I 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.080 want people to call the networks. I want people to 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:58.280 call their representatives. I want people to be called out. 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.760 You know, there are times when we say are we 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:05.240 calling people out? Are we calling them in? No, in 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:09.440 this particular situation, I'm calling these bordering countries out. I'm 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.960 calling the media out, I'm calling representatives who do not 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:21.839 bring attention to this travesty out. Racism is never going 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:32.440 to die out because it's rebirthed every single day. Oh 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.880 it's the young people they care. No, they don't actually, 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:38.960 because they've been force fed the same diet of white 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:45.800 supremacy that you have. But until we acknowledge the truth, 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:54.000 until we understand how this happened, we're never going to 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.440 stop it. It's never going to ease, not in our lifetime, 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.520 and not in our children's lifetime, and not in our 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:06.360 children children's lifetime, you know. And this, friends, comes on 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:11.480 the backdrop of the historic announcement, right, that was made 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:19.800 on Friday about Biden's Supreme Court nominee. And here's what 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:25.600 I want to say about Judge Brown. Judge Brown is 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:30.160 beyond qualified. Right, Judge Brown was chosen because she is 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:37.480 beyond qualified. Her academic pedigree, her legal pedigree is beyond reproach, 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:45.560 unlike the pieces of shit that Republicans put up by 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:49.160 virtue of their whiteness. Oh, they're qualified, not according to 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.040 the American Bar Association. And once again at the highest level. 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:58.000 I just want to show people how black people need 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:03.640 to be over qualified for shit that mediocre white people 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:09.640 are given by virtue of the relationships that they have. Right, 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:16.000 you have to have a pedigree beyond reproach when you 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.960 are black in this country. But you can scream on 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:24.320 the top of your lungs, show the uttermost disrespect and 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:30.120 hostile demeanor as a Brett Kavanaugh did, and become Supreme 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.080 become a judge, become a Supreme Court Judge of the 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:39.760 United States. You can be so disgusting and foul as 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.080 a Donald Trump and become president, but you cannot be 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:47.280 overly qualified for the position and be a woman as 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:53.840 Hillary Clinton. You are hidden away in the attic of 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:58.600 the White House if you are the black woman vice president, 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:02.360 only brought out for pageantry to say, look at the 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.280 history that we have, and then let's quickly put her 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:08.240 back in the attic for before white people realize that 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:12.920 Joe Biden had a black woman as his running mate. 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:19.440 I'm tired of the fucking lies because they're so blatant, 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:25.880 it's a cartoonish At this fucking point, again, you want 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.760 me to believe that this administration is so much better 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:31.560 than the other ones, and yet we have had to 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:36.360 put the vice president on a milk carton, wondering where 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.840 the fuck she is and why she isn't being utilized 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:43.600 for anything other than these flash moments where race is 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.000 really at play and you want to use her for 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:52.520 your own pageantry, and then you want to tell these 0:16:52.640 --> 0:17:00.480 very same people whose needs you've been denying, overlooking and ignoring, that, oh, 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.240 if we lose the upcoming midterm elections, it's going to 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.959 be your fault. No, it's going to be your fault, 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:19.199 mister President, It's going to be your fault. There are 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:28.080 so many days where I am utterly just beside myself done, 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:34.640 you know, because it is everywhere. Right. I keep rewatching 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.760 The Matrix over and over again, the whole series, the 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.640 new one, just I keep watching it over and over 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:47.680 again because racism is very much like the Matrix. When 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:52.880 Laurence Fishburn's character Morpheus says in The First Matrix to Neo, 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.400 the matrix is all around you. It is what you eat, 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.040 it is what you taste, it is on your clo 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.840 it is everywhere, and it's hard to explain it unless 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.760 you're in it. That is what it is like to 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:09.680 deal with racism in this world as a black person. 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:19.800 Doesn't matter if you are black, American, Black, Caribbean, Afro Latina, right, 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:25.680 it doesn't matter if you are from directly from one 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.560 of the nations of Africa. Does not matter. To exist 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:34.680 in a black body in this world is to understand 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.119 what it is like to live in the matrix of 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:42.200 racism day in and day out, sometimes subtle, sometimes just 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:46.400 a series of microaggressions, of purses being closed, of being 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:51.320 followed around stores. Right then it escalates into being shot 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:54.280 in your own car, or in your own bed, or 0:18:54.320 --> 0:19:00.399 on the playground. But it is all around sound you, 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:04.359 all the time. And it is your responsibility and yours 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:08.600 alone to go through this matrix and somehow come out 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:20.000 alive with your emotional well being intact. So forgive us 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:25.800 right for the consistent exhaustion that we are exhibiting these days, 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:30.240 because going through the Olympics, the matrix of racism, day 0:19:30.280 --> 0:19:35.480 in and day out, is taking its fucking toll. And 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:39.040 this is why I have said many times that for 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:42.320 black folks, for people of color in this country that 0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:44.600 are deciding that they don't want to fucking vote, I 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:48.200 hear you, that are opting out of giving a fuck, 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:55.320 I hear you. I want to tell you right that 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.600 we are not just fighting for our generation that we 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:02.160 are living in, but for the general rations to come right. 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:06.640 And this is our part of the marathon that may 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:11.520 never be completed, but I want to do I want 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:13.439 to run my leg the best that I can, but 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:15.960 there are going to be days where I'm going to 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:18.240 put my feet up and let somebody else run it 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:26.080 because I too need to rest. Because sometimes it feels 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:30.159 like that racism matrix is just closing in in every 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:40.439 fucking direction and I literally cannot breathe. I've been saying 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:46.000 for a long time on this show that things are 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:50.840 going to get bloodier before they get better, and we 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:55.640 are seeing that happen all around us. We're seeing escalations 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.240 of violence in our own country. And what I will 0:20:58.280 --> 0:21:02.679 say about that is, again, mainstream media doesn't use the 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:06.720 same language it uses for other countries when they are 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:11.520 seeing great upheavals and political decline. They don't use that 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:15.879 same language here. They don't talk about invasions right invasions 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.080 in the United States. But I want us to be 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:22.800 very clear about the fact that the insurrection that occurred 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:26.240 was not the first invasion that we had seen over 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:29.560 the last couple of years. No, there have been state 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:33.000 capital buildings that have been taken over. There is currently 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:37.760 a fucking caravan of Trumpers headed from California to Washington, 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:41.680 DC to pull an Ottawa, Canada. In Washington, d C. 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:50.920 We are being invaded, right, These people have their guns. 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:59.440 They have been holding buildings hostage, only to have some 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:06.560 plan disrupted on kidnapping elected officials. But yet you want 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:09.480 to look down on countries like Haiti. You want to 0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:13.320 call out countries like Colombia, like the Ukraine, like Russia, 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:16.239 but you don't are not paying attention to what the 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:20.960 fuck is escalating up in here. Have eyes on everybody else, 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:24.520 got opinions on everybody else, but don't paying attention to 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:29.600 what is happening in your own country, thinking that we're 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:35.639 still beyond reproach. Wait the fuck up. So when you're 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:40.280 watching the news, call out the fucking news, tweet them out, 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:48.920 Oh really, at CNN, at MSNBC. Really, because we forget 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:52.639 how much power we have as a collective. That's the 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.200 point of this show, that's the point of my work 0:22:55.200 --> 0:22:59.280 in general, is for people to recognize no, no, no right, 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:04.200 nobody's steals your vote, if your vote ain't valuable, nobody 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:07.800 tries to lock up and incarcerrat and minimize and depress 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:10.639 and opress black people. If you didn't think as a 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:14.520 collective we were powerful, and you were that fucking fragile 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:22.600 so when we really see things, I want us to 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:28.040 see it with eyes wide open. I want us to 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:31.280 understand all of the levers, all of the systems that 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:38.639 are at play at the same time, so that we 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:42.080 can figure out our way through because we ain't getting 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:45.280 over this. The only way that we are moving forward 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:48.159 is through right, and that is going to be like 0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:59.640 going through a motherfucking tornado. We gotta get ready, folks. 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:04.920 What a week, What a week. It has been always 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:08.040 excited to have the opportunity to speak with our dear 0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:11.960 friend MSNBC legal analyst and the host of Justice Matters, 0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:17.639 Glenn Kirshner, to walk us through. I mean from my 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:23.560 outrage last week at the news breaking around the two 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:28.600 lead prosecutors in the Manhattan District Attorney's case, which was 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:32.840 initially in the hands of Sythance. Since the election, the 0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:39.440 Manhattan DA has changed batons to Alvin Bragg, and there 0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:44.919 has always been hope. And what was announced before Syvance left, Glenn, 0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:48.160 is that you know, we had the Manhattan District Attorney 0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:52.160 working hand in hand with New York State Attorney General 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:54.720 Tissie James. What I have you have? What you have 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:59.080 I have, which made us believe that in New York, right, 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:04.280 maybe just possibly, accountability and justice was actually going to 0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:09.760 come to fruition. Then bombshell, the two lead prosecutors resign. 0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:13.760 So far they have said what has been said, I 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:17.480 should say, is that they are resigning because after a 0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:22.520 month of no movement that they have heard or were 0:25:22.560 --> 0:25:26.920 told that it is of doubt that the Manhattander's office 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:31.000 will move forward with their case. What are you think? 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:33.600 What initially did you think and feel? And then what 0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:38.160 are you feeling at the offices pushback and saying oh no, no, no, 0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:42.159 that's not true. Yeah, there's so much to unpack in 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:45.840 this story. Who thought that, you know, accountability and justice 0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:50.000 would be this darned part on every single front. You know, 0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:54.320 accountability really shouldn't be too much to ask for when 0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:59.960 our high government officials just go on an unabated crime spree, 0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:03.280 which has been Donald Trump's life, let's face it. So 0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:07.119 my heart sank when I saw that the two you know, 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:12.400 long time prosecutors. I can't call Pomerants a career prosecutor 0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:16.760 because even though he was a white collar prosecutor, a 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:19.840 mob prosecutor when he was with the Southern District of 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:23.120 New York Us Attorney's office. He then went over to 0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:25.800 the other side. I tried never to call it the 0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.199 dark side. When you go to do defense work and 0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:33.200 you defend the people who have been everybody is deserving right, 0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:37.040 everybody's deserves it. And I really believe everybody deserves a 0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:39.440 fair defense, and I embrace it and I'll fight for it. 0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:41.400 You're just not going to get that fair defense from 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:45.040 me because I'm comfortable trying to hold folk accountable for 0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:49.160 their crimes and protect the community. So but these were 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:55.040 two long term serious prosecutors, pomerants and done. And then 0:26:55.040 --> 0:26:59.320 when I saw that they they coordinated their resignations at 0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:03.000 the same time, obviously to make a point, and the 0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:07.880 news broke that that point was Alvin Bragg didn't seem 0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:12.840 determined enough or committed enough, or persuaded that Donald Trump 0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:17.200 himself should be prosecuted, should be held accountable. Let's stop 0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:20.439 right there, Danielle, because I find it, as a former 0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:25.520 career prosecutor, impossible to believe, not just difficult to believe 0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:31.240 that the Trump organization that was run in dictator fashion 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:36.160 by Donald Trump could be criminally indicted for a fifteen 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:40.520 year long criminal scheme to defraud in the first degree. 0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:45.359 That Donald Trump's right hand man, Alan Weisselberg, chief financial 0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:49.240 officer for the Trump organization for decades, could similarly be 0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:53.719 convicted of a fifteen year criminal scheme to defraud in 0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:57.720 the first degree and lots of other crimes. And we 0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:01.320 just don't have the goods on Donald Trump. I don't 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:05.360 believe that for a minute. I will not impugne Alvin 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:10.280 Braggs morals or integrity. I don't know what is behind 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:14.280 this dust up, this considerable dustup in the New York 0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:19.200 District Attorney's office, but they better write their ship because 0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:23.920 it feels wrong. It smells wrong, it looks wrong. Now, 0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:26.800 like you say, they're trying to back up in a hurry, 0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.399 and they just announced that they've appointed a new chief 0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:35.200 prosecutor whose name is Susan Huffington. I'm sorry, Susan Huffinger, 0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:38.920 and so I'm doing some combat research on her. And 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:42.600 what we know is that, yes, she did prosecute in 0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:47.160 that office previously for eight years, back in nineteen ninety 0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:49.840 two to two thousand, and then for the last twenty 0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:53.360 two years, she's been in private practice making lots of money, 0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:57.200 I assume representing whomever I don't know, because I'm not 0:28:57.200 --> 0:29:00.120 going to say, because I don't know, that does and 0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:04.320 give me an enormous comfort level that Alan Bragg a politician, 0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:09.680 also a serious consequential lawyer and former prosecutor himself. But 0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:13.240 once you start running for office, Danielle, you're a politician. 0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:17.640 He gets elected, he comes in and in one of 0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:22.120 the most consequential investigations and prosecutions New York has ever seen. 0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:25.880 He says, Yeah, I'm not feeling going after Donald Trump. 0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:28.480 That that doesn't make sense to me, and it doesn't 0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:30.800 give me a ton of confidence that he has now 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:34.960 brought back after twenty two years in private practice. Somebody 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:37.080 who I'll bet, if we dig down, was probably a 0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:40.840 big supporter of his in his campaign. We'll have to 0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:44.960 find out. I'll always say, follow the money. There's a 0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:49.360 team of twenty five. It's just a district attorneys dedicated 0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:55.160