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Speaker 1: Stopping by wherever you may be and however you may

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Speaker 1: be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Well,

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Speaker 1: today is one of those stories where half of you

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Speaker 1: will agree with me and half of you won't, and

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Speaker 1: the half of you who won't are not going to

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Speaker 1: listen because Christians in America feel marginalized, and some times

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Speaker 1: for very good reason. My friends are Christian. I've said before,

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of agnostic. I got no idea what's going

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Speaker 1: on upstairs. But there was a story yesterday that developed,

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Speaker 1: and it just so happens. I got lucky with this

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Speaker 1: story because I had context and context around it. I

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Speaker 1: know somebody that went to Purdue and played with Jaden Ivy,

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Speaker 1: and I know somebody in the NBA that's been on

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Speaker 1: his staff with Jaden Ivy. He doesn't necessarily mesh well

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Speaker 1: with others. So yesterday the Bulls let him go. He

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Speaker 1: went to Instagram multiple times. He called out the NBA

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Speaker 1: for promoting pride months saying it celebrates unrighteousness. And again,

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Speaker 1: his reputation at Purdue, I've got it sourced. And in

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Speaker 1: the NBA, he only had seven games left with the

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Speaker 1: Bulls this year and they were not going to bring

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Speaker 1: him back. So they said, you know, hit the road,

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Speaker 1: good luck and free agency. Here's the first thought I

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Speaker 1: thought about was, never screw with a low room, never

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Speaker 1: screw with a workplace. And I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 1: I own a company. We got about sixty employees. It's

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Speaker 1: called the Volume. If I found out somebody did something

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Speaker 1: illegal and it was bad a dui. Maybe it was

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Speaker 1: a misdemeanor, but they were good people. They made a

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Speaker 1: big mistake, They were contrite, they were apologetic, they worked

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Speaker 1: well with others, and they were really, really a good

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Speaker 3: Despite committing a misdemeanor.

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Speaker 1: I'd keep them, but it's a private company. And if

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Speaker 1: they were annoying odd sometimes talk too much politics and religion,

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Speaker 1: good for the workspace, they're disruptive.

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Speaker 3: I'd fire them in thirty seconds.

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Speaker 1: I would keep the criminal, and I would let go

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Speaker 1: of the annoying coworker. And that's a private company, and

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Speaker 1: I could the Bulls, for the record, are a public

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Speaker 1: facing company. Athletes, you'd get to this point, they'd figure

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Speaker 1: out keep religion and politics out of it. Mostly, there's

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Speaker 1: thousands of Americans who have been arrested, who have made

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Speaker 1: serious mistakes, who are tremendous employees and their workers their

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Speaker 1: boss love them. But you know what, there's not a

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Speaker 1: million of in America annoying, weird people who talk politics

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Speaker 1: don't screw with a workplace.

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Speaker 3: Too many of you.

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Speaker 1: Are getting into this dopey freedom of speech. Jayden Ivy's

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Speaker 1: not a lawyer being disbarred. He's not going to prison.

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Speaker 1: He got seven games left, and the Pistons, who strangely

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Speaker 1: The Pistons are dying for guard play and they let

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Speaker 1: him go. Hmm, why would that be? Bulls seven games?

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Speaker 1: Laf said hit the road, which they have every right

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Speaker 4: So the first thing is, you know, everybody comes with

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Speaker 4: their own personal experiences, but one is we got to

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Speaker 4: all be professional. I think there's got to be a

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Speaker 4: high level respect for one another and we got to

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Speaker 1: You are always entitled to your own opinion, but you're

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Speaker 1: never entitled, especially if you're not productive or you're disappointing

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Speaker 1: to disrupt the workspace. And that's the thing about life.

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Speaker 1: I tell my kids jokingly, half jokingly all the time.

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Speaker 1: away with more the legendary stories that Bill Belichick tells

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Speaker 1: Bill Parcells and says Bill, I just thought, I tell you,

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Speaker 1: Bill Parcells said, why the hell did you start the meeting.

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Speaker 1: He's the best football player in the league. Jimmy Johnson,

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Speaker 1: The meeting's still going. Life's full of gray. And I

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Speaker 1: understand that Christians feel marginalized.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 1: And you often have a point, and you can often

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Speaker 1: take these disruptions to court. Gina Carono an actress, Right,

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Speaker 1: stuff like that happens. But the more skilled and talented,

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Speaker 1: I know it stinks, right, you get away with more.

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Speaker 1: We all know that Dennis Rodman and Draymond Green created

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Speaker 1: of the things that you say to life is not fair.

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Speaker 1: So many Christians this morning or last night read that

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Speaker 1: Some of what he said, I'm sure has been set

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Speaker 1: in churches last weekend. But they're not a locker room,

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Speaker 1: and they're not necessarily a workspace. They're a house of worship.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in Hollywood, if you're a B lister and

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Speaker 1: you're just you're talking politics and sports on set, you're

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Speaker 1: A lister, they're not redoing the movie poster. They'll just

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Speaker 1: And of course there's lines that you can cross and

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Speaker 1: guy that didn't always mesh well with others, and the

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Speaker 1: injuries have compounded his frustration. He went to Detroit desperate

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Speaker 1: go quickly. And now Chicago, with seven games left, said

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Speaker 1: free agency. And I'll give you an example of this

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Speaker 3: Big city Chicago bulls are.

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Speaker 1: Like, come on down, bro, we need We'll give you

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Speaker 1: a chance. You made a mistake, You've showed contrition, We

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Speaker 1: may not be in Dallas. And in this instance, Jade

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Speaker 1: and Ivy is for a public team in a locker

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Speaker 1: room is viewed as bro. If you average twenty nine

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Speaker 3: Or a fifth. That's life.

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Speaker 1: Let's make this instructive is that it is unfair, but

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Speaker 1: rules aren't even and the Internet wants to make everything

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Speaker 3: Life is gray.

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Speaker 1: What you can say and I can say, and others

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Speaker 1: what I understand Christians feel attacked.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 1: I mean I watch the media and I am often

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable with how Christians are marginalized for things that are

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Speaker 1: not I'm not a religious person. Are probably close to

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Speaker 1: doctrine in a church. But in this instance, Bro injuries,

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Speaker 1: You're not really the kind of personality that meshed it

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Speaker 3: Can't go there. I agree with what the bulls did.

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Speaker 3: You just can't go there. Again.

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Speaker 1: They're not disbarring him from the law firm. There's seven games.

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Speaker 1: They're like, Bro, somebody you know, his talented kid. Somebody

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: People deserve second and third chances. But I hope what

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Speaker 1: you've taken from this rant for me is I own

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Speaker 1: a small company. I would absolutely move off an employee

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Speaker 1: showed condrition, well liked, highly productive, good teammate, even if

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Speaker 1: first time I'd ever gone to a really nice restaurant.

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Speaker 1: My boss at the time, the late Larry Kentuck, took

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Speaker 1: me to his golf club, the Desert In. If you

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Speaker 1: ever watched the movie Casino, it plays a part of

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Speaker 1: wool suit in Vegas. It's one hundred and ten. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just don't look the part right to all these

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Speaker 1: a lunch at Desert End. You know, I don't even

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Speaker 1: forget what this guy said. This big, tall kind of

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Speaker 1: what they call the desert and di. He said, Well, Ken,

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Speaker 5: He is right.

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Speaker 3: Life is full of gray.

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Speaker 3: Also context matters.

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Speaker 1: His team just beat Duke with a game winning shot

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Speaker 1: Dan Hurley gets right there, and he's just a quirky, unique, intense,

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Speaker 1: Welcome in here we go. Two all fired up for

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Speaker 1: Brd Underwood, the Illinois head coach. Their team is fascinating.

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Speaker 1: If they found a freshman guard, he's like SGA six six, wiry,

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Speaker 3: They went all spent their money.

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Speaker 1: They got twins from Croatia Pasiastoyokovic's kid.

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Speaker 1: So I you know, I've been on this a little bit,

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Speaker 1: This was my prediction. And yes I like to be right.

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Speaker 1: You can't buy happiness, and you can't buy championships. The

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Speaker 1: One nil last year, couldn't make a twelve team playoff.

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Speaker 3: It's like Hollywood. You know, it's my daughter used to

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Speaker 1: Ten thousand beautiful men and women that are perpetually unemployed.

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Speaker 1: They're beautiful, they should be on the big screen, and

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Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey got less popular when she went on a

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Speaker 1: I'm on one of my rants Brad about all this

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Speaker 1: So your team is probably the most fascinating. You go

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Speaker 1: Well it's really here's where it's fascinating what you've done.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's easier to recruit domestically because you

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Speaker 1: When you go over to Europe, I mean, I love

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Speaker 1: I'm going with my Sunday Europe this summer. I'm a

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Speaker 1: You got twins from Croatia, you got paiges Son, You've

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Speaker 1: Maybe you go to Europe five times a year that

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there's a bunch of agents trying to

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Speaker 8: But they fit us and and and we had some

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Speaker 8: connections and again, uh, we got Thomas lava Visch first,

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Speaker 8: and then to be honest, it was it was it

437
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Speaker 8: was leaning on him to find out about the character,

438
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Speaker 8: to find out about who they are as a person.

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Speaker 8: Do they fit in our locker room? And I'm a

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Speaker 8: really big character guy. I want character, not characters. Yeah,

441
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Speaker 8: and we leaned on him, and you know, obviously one

442
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Speaker 8: of those guys is his twin brother. And then you know,

443
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Speaker 8: David Murkovich was a teammate, and and and and it

444
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Speaker 8: just it just grew. And Andre Stoyakovic was in the

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Speaker 8: portal and he's a guy that fit a hole that

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Speaker 8: we had, and you know, it just just so happened.

447
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Speaker 8: Is his dad was Pasia, and he was you know,

448
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Speaker 8: he's from over there. But it just has worked great

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Speaker 8: for us.

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Speaker 1: So Brad Underwood, coach of the Fighting Line I Illinois,

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Speaker 1: which I was down watching a football game and looking

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Speaker 1: at your basketball facility in this year earlier, and one

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Speaker 1: of the things I like about your program is not

454
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Speaker 1: a lot of disruptions, not a ton to do. You're

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Speaker 1: you're into your sports and your academics. I look at

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Speaker 1: your game against Yukon. You guys have been an unbelievable

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Speaker 1: second half team this year and in the tournament, and

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Speaker 1: Yukon is and this is just my take on Yukon

459
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Speaker 1: is they wear you down and it fatigue sets in,

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Speaker 1: and if you're a young team like Duke, it can

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Speaker 1: unravel fast because they got depth and power. Why have

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Speaker 1: you been I mean when you think of Yukon and

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Speaker 1: you've watched the film already, what jumps off the film

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Speaker 1: of Yukon immediately?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's very easy to me.

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Speaker 8: It just jumps out and smacks you. And that's and

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Speaker 8: that's their culture. It's winning. There's no there's no hiccup

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Speaker 8: in anything they do. They can have a drought, they

469
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Speaker 8: can play great, they maintain it can posure. Uh that

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Speaker 8: that is is maybe unrivaled. They don't they don't ever

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Speaker 8: get too high, they don't ever get too low. You know,

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Speaker 8: they've got Caravan is one of the best players in

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Speaker 8: the country that no one ever talks about. He's the

474
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Speaker 8: ultimate winner and and you know, they can hurt you

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Speaker 8: in a lot of ways. I think that, uh, we're

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Speaker 8: a completely different team than when we played them on

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Speaker 8: on Black Friday in emberg Yeah, and I think we

478
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Speaker 8: have eight starters. I think that's helped us. You talk

479
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Speaker 8: about our second halves, I think that's helped us. And

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Speaker 8: and you know, found the rhythm and we've been into

481
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Speaker 8: just nasty street fights with Houston and Iowa, and they

482
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Speaker 8: were physical and hard nosed and and then we finally

483
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Speaker 8: found a little footing offensively and and uh.

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Speaker 5: We're able to pull away. But uh.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I expect that same type of game with y Dukhan.

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Speaker 8: They just don't go away and they're relentless. And I

487
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Speaker 8: like to think that, you know, we're we're better prepared

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Speaker 8: now than we were in November.

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Speaker 1: So I know you've already. I watched the Michigan game

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Speaker 1: that was at home. Michigan is as I said this

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Speaker 1: the other day, I went to the United Center. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to watch them live. I thought Michigan's ball movement

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Speaker 1: looked like an NBA team. I think they're passing is

494
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Speaker 1: I can't even believe it in a half court said

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Speaker 1: it's really for college basketball. It's extraordinary. Mara, who was

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Speaker 1: always a good defensive player, now he's become a good

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Speaker 1: offensive hub and passing. And do you look at this

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Speaker 1: final four as kind of Michigan up here and three

499
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Speaker 1: other excellent teams, or do you think these teams are

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Speaker 1: all it's anybody's final four.

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Speaker 8: I think it's four teams that any of them can

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Speaker 8: win it. And if you don't play well, you'll lose.

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Speaker 8: You'll lose. You I think that uh you know, you

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Speaker 8: you've seen uh uh you know, Purdue beat Michigan in

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Speaker 8: the Big Ten tournament. Uh you've seen uh you know

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Speaker 8: Arizona's uh you know, had had moments this year where

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Speaker 8: they've gotten beat uh you know, And I think it's

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Speaker 8: it's it's all about who's playing well.

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Speaker 5: Uh yeah, I think you know what.

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Speaker 8: I think all four teams are playing really well, and

511
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Speaker 8: it's it's a matter of you know, Michigan has been

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Speaker 8: uh maybe the best player in the tournament in Yaxley,

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Speaker 8: and I think that they have something that maybe the

514
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Speaker 8: rest of us don't at Mara, who's just an absolute

515
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Speaker 8: defensive monster at the rim. But if you don't, if

516
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Speaker 8: you don't play well, uh, they could lose. And you know,

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Speaker 8: you've got to make shots. You got to you know.

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Speaker 8: I think they're the final fours, you know, kind of

519
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 8: a tough guys game, and you've got to be physical

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Speaker 8: and rebound and do all the things.

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Speaker 5: To win it. And if you do those things, you

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Speaker 5: got a chance.

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Speaker 1: So you've reached the Elite eight a minimum, and two

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Speaker 1: of the last three seasons you got it rolling, you

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Speaker 1: got the recruiting going, you got the europe thing going.

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Speaker 1: Is a final question is this is listen? I like

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Speaker 1: the NIL because my take is it's college football. A

528
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Speaker 1: good team can get really good adding two or three play.

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Speaker 1: There was always something in college basketball or football as

530
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Speaker 1: you used to go to the junior college level, or

531
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Speaker 1: you'd have a hole and you couldn't quite solve it. Well,

532
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: now you can solve it. You can go find a

533
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Speaker 1: point guard, you can go find a three and D guy.

534
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Speaker 1: But that means Brad Underwood has to get on the

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Speaker 1: phone with agents, which doesn't even sound like fun. Is

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Speaker 1: there part of you if I said, Brad, okay, you

537
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Speaker 1: weren't going to be as good eight years ago, but

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Speaker 1: you didn't deal with agents or the new version, which

539
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Speaker 1: is hell. You can just go buy something if you

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Speaker 1: can't find it, Will you tell me as a coach,

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Speaker 1: how do you land within il?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: So I'm a big fan of n I L I

544
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Speaker 8: think the game of basketball has never been better. I mean,

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Speaker 8: Yaxell wouldn't be in college if it was.

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Speaker 5: If it wasn't for n I l Uh.

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Speaker 8: You can go on down the list and college basketball

548
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 8: itself the talent is just unreal. Uh, the players are

549
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 8: so good and and that's helped help that and and

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Speaker 8: I'm for that. I think the key is is building

551
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Speaker 8: your roster. I think it's all about role players. I

552
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Speaker 8: think it's very I think it's very much like an

553
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Speaker 8: NBA where you're you're going to have a couple of

554
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Speaker 8: guys who who probably make a little more than the others,

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Speaker 8: but you gotta have role players.

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Speaker 5: You've got You've got to have.

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Speaker 8: Guys that uh, you know, for us, I think that's

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Speaker 8: why we've excelled. Jake Davis and and and Ben Humercals,

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Speaker 8: Thomas love A vs.

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Speaker 5: You know they're there.

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Speaker 8: We're bringing Andre Stoyakovich now, who's all region off the bench.

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Speaker 5: He was a starter early had an end.

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Speaker 8: Uh, everybody's got to want to play for the name

564
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Speaker 8: on the front of the jersey and.

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Speaker 5: Not the name on the back.

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Speaker 8: And you've got to find those guys no matter how

567
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Speaker 8: much money you spend. You can you can spend noodles

568
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Speaker 8: and gobs of money, but you can just be giving.

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Speaker 5: It away to the long people.

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Speaker 8: That's right, and that's and to me, it's to me,

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Speaker 8: it's about finding the right role players and We'll all

572
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Speaker 8: find the talented guys, but role players that will fit

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Speaker 8: in and be a great, great teammates and joy for

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Speaker 8: their success of others is something that's really important to us.

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Speaker 1: Brad Underwood, coach of Illinois, remarkable team. I have not

576
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Speaker 1: watched this much college basketball in a long time. The

577
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Speaker 1: quality of the game is just astounding. And coach, I

578
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Speaker 1: appreciate you giving us ten minutes today.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Carlin. I appreciate you having me.

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Speaker 1: You bet, they're really good, number one in the country

581
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Speaker 1: in a lot of it is efficiency with them is

582
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Speaker 1: they are very intentional. They can slow it down. I

583
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Speaker 1: just find European, you know. I asked him, like, how

584
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: do you do the European recruiting? You could get It

585
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: feels like you could get, you know, really manipulated or

586
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: taken because you don't know. But what did he say?

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Speaker 1: We just send people over there. We do, you know,

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00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: we do camps over there. But the other thing he said,

589
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: and this is indisputable and I noticed it three years

590
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Speaker 1: when Ucon won the national championship. The quality of play.

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Speaker 1: I'm watching Michigan at the United Center. The passing looked

592
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: like an NBA team. The three point shooting it looked

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Speaker 1: like an NBA team. I mean it's always been. We

594
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Speaker 1: talked about this yesterday. You go back to the Duke

595
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: Butler when Butler was good. They're doing it with defense

596
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: and toughness. You're getting fined, You're getting National championship games.

597
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: Team shooting thirty two percent. That's awful. Everybody says they

598
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: love defense. No, you love your team's defense. Nobody likes

599
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: watching defense unless it's their team's defense. If I said

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00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: you Super Bowl is six to three, you'd only like

601
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: it if you were the team that ended up with six. Right,

602
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: Nobody else in the league wants to watch that. The

603
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: offensive efficiency, shot making, attacking, and finishing at the rim

604
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: is so high at college basketball.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I said this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: It felt like for about a fifteen year stretch, college

607
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: basketball was just AAU basketball with jet fuel. Now it

608
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: feels like it's just the NBA missing one great player

609
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 1: or roster. Like if you put one more player in Michigan,

610
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Speaker 1: like a really high end guy, you'd be like four

611
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Speaker 1: NBA dudes here, Like it is really good