1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Can't. I am six forty. You're listening to the John 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Cobelt podcast on the iHeartRadio app. Welcome, how are you? 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: It's the good that you're here. We're on every day 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: from one ton till four o'clock and then after four o'clock. 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: Whatever you missed, you listened to John Coblt's show on demand. 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: That's the podcast, same as the radio show, and it's 7 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: on the iHeart app. I want to get right into 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: this today. They men unusual hour because in a way, 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to have two co hosts here, not in 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: person or on the phone, but recorded from yesterday's hearing, 11 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: a Senate hearing on the Palisades Fire. We had Rick Scott, 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: the Senator from Florida. On yesterday he and Ron Johnson, 13 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: Wisconsin Senator, ran this hearing in Washington investigating everything about 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: the Palisades fire, the lack of PEP preparation, the terrible response, 15 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: and then the god awful follow up. For a year, 16 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: it has been a complete failure of Los Angeles government, 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: complete failure of the Bass administration, complete failure of Gavin 18 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: Newsom's administration, state and local government. Zero on a scale 19 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: of zero to one hundred. It could not have been worse. 20 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: It could not have been worse if you had designed 21 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: a plan to destroy a big section of Los Angeles. 22 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: And the hearing is being run by two senators, one 23 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: from Florida, one from Wisconsin, because the two senators from California, 24 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: Adam Schiff and Alex Beidia, don't care. They're not interested. 25 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: So I'm going to play for you excerpts from the 26 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: testimony of two men. One of them his name is 27 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: Patrick Butler. Both of these men I have mentioned before 28 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: being quoted in the Los Angeles Times. They're investigations. Patrick 29 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: Butler is the fire chief and harbor mass of the 30 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: Redondo Beach Fire Department, and he served for thirty one 31 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: years as assistant chief with the Los Angeles Fire Department. 32 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: He was involved in the ninety two riots, the ninety 33 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: four Northridge earthquake, and on and on and on. And 34 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: he has a doctorate degree from USC master's degree from 35 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: US Naval Postgraduate School. He's a Harvard Fellow. This guy 36 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: knows everything there is to know about fighting fires in 37 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: a big city, a tremendous amount of experience, a tremendous 38 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: amount of study. So I want to let him do 39 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: the talking. And I'm going to play you a series 40 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: of excerpts from his testimony. And you listened to him, 41 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: because you might be able to dismiss something a politician says, 42 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: something that I say, something that a news reporter says. Fine, 43 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 1: listen to Patrick Butler because he tells the truth about 44 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: what happened here in Los Angeles a year ago. And 45 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: let's start with cut number one. 46 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: My central finding is unequivocal. The Palisades fire was preventable. 47 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 2: Over my career, I've commanded and operated during some of 48 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: the largest and most complex wildfires in Los Angeles and 49 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 2: southern California. 50 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 3: I've served in command. 51 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: Operations, aviation, and interagency coordination rules during extreme wind driven 52 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: wildland urban interface fires. This assessment is grounded an executive 53 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: level command experience across more than fifty wildfire incidents, including 54 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: numerous large scale pre deployments, supported by operational records and 55 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: after action reports. 56 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: So he knows how it works. He's been there dozens 57 00:03:54,400 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: of times, big fires, disasters, large scale destruction. He's seen 58 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: it all. Now let's continue here, Patrick Butler. He talks 59 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: about what he observed when he responded to the Palisades. 60 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: When he responded to the Palisades Fire. 61 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: In the early hours of January eighth, twenty twenty five. 62 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: I responded under mutual aid to the Palisades Fire. What 63 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: I observed was not simply a difficult fire under extreme conditions. 64 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: It was a predictable outcome of a breakdown in leadership, 65 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: preparedness and command discipline. 66 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 3: Firefighters were forced to. 67 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: Improvise without adequate resources, unified command, or consistent safety oversight. 68 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 2: This was not a failure of effort by firefighters, It 69 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: was a failure of leadership above them. 70 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: So Kristin Crowley, the fire chief, starts with her Karen 71 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: Bass missing in action in Africa. There wasn't a plan 72 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: laid out in advance, even though we had a week's 73 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: warning on the wind and the fire danger, a week's warning. 74 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: Christian Crowley totally unprepared. Karen Bash again in Africa, We're 75 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: going to go down to cut number three. He's talking 76 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: about the original fire, the Lochman fire on New Year's Day. 77 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 2: The fire that began on January first, known as the 78 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: Lockman Fire, was never fully extinguished. 79 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: It became a holdover fire, a well known. 80 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 2: And predictable hazard in the chaparral environments such as the 81 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 2: Pacific Palisades. In my experience, when holdover fires are not 82 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: aggressively extinguished and are not continuously monitored, they rekindle. 83 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 3: That is not rare, that is expected. 84 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: When the forecast of life threatening wins arrived on January seventh, 85 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 2: the unmonitored Lochman fire predictably reignited and spread rapidly. What 86 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: followed was not unforeseeable. It was the expected result of 87 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: leaving a holdover fire unmanaged in a densely populated, high 88 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: risk community with limited evacuation routes. 89 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: Did you get those keywords there? Unmonitored, unmanaged, never fully extinguished, 90 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: Kristin Crowley and Karen Bass never had the original fire 91 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: fully put out? Why is that? Let's go to cut 92 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: number four now. He was personally involved in planning LA's 93 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: pre deployment strategies. 94 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: Los Angeles possesses decades of wildfire experience, established pre deployment 95 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 2: doctrine and area specific operational plans for every major wildland 96 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 2: urban interface corridor, including the Pacific Pali Seads. These plans 97 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: were written, trained, exercise, and repeatedly proven effective. I was 98 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 2: directly involved in their development and personally executed them during 99 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: prior wind driven fires in these same communities for more 100 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: than a week before. For this fire, the National Weather 101 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: Service issued repeated warnings of a life threatening wind event fire. 102 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 3: Weather Intelligence. 103 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: Clearly identify the Pacific Palisades and the still smoldering Lockman 104 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: Fire within the projected impact area. 105 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 3: This failure was not a lack of warning. 106 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: It was a failure to act. In incidence, I previously 107 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: commanded forecasts of this severity triggered immediate escalation, large scale deployment, 108 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: extended staffing, and full activation of emergency management systems. Forecasts 109 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: were treated as operational decision points, not background information that 110 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: did not occur here. 111 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: It was really important here. A failure to act. The 112 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: warnings did go back more than a week, back to 113 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: December thirty. First, we collected some of the warnings and 114 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: we posted them on our social media. Something knew about it. 115 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: Karen bash knew about it. Kristan Crowley knew about it. 116 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: And as soon as you get warnings like this, immediately 117 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: what he said, you move into large scale deployment. You 118 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: immediately escalate the response before it happens. You don't go 119 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: to Africa. There should have been pre deployment days in 120 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: advance of January seventh. The whole fire department should have 121 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: been on alert to take care of the Palisades more 122 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: so than any other place, because they had the Lockman 123 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: fire still smoldering, and they knew it was still smoldering, 124 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: and they intentionally decided not to put it out. You 125 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: have to understand this. This was not climate change. This 126 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: was an arsonist that started a fire and the Los 127 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: Angeles Fire Department failed for a week to fully extinguish it. 128 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: Patrick Butler was personally involved in writing up the policies 129 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: for situations like this again now he works as fire 130 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: chief for Redondo Beach. Thirty one years in LA. He 131 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: knew what was supposed to happen, literally wrote the book 132 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: on it. Kristin Crowley, Karen Bass didn't read a page. 133 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: We come back more from Patrick Butler, and I'm also 134 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: going to introduce you to Rick Crawford, who also was 135 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: a major figure in the Los Angeles Fire Department for 136 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: many years, and he testified before this committee. This is 137 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: the truth. These two men have lived quite a life 138 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: here in LA fighting fires. Between the two of them, 139 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: they know everything, and what they're telling you it was 140 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: a total failure on the part of management. Leadership, political leadership, 141 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: Karen Bass, the city council, everybody, everybody failed and that's 142 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: why twelve people died. And that's why thousands of homes 143 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: are gone. It's their fault. They're to blame. This is 144 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: about as signing blame. This is playing the blame game 145 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: for good. We'll tell you more we come back. 146 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 147 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 4: six forty. 148 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: All right, we're going to continue with Patrick Butler. He 149 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: is the fire chief and harbor master at Redondo Beach 150 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: Fire Department and worked for thirty one years, making it 151 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: up to assistant chief the LA Fire Department. He actually 152 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: wrote the book on how to respond to Major Fires 153 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: and Disasters, and he covered the LA Fire part of 154 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: the mutual Laid Agreement. He showed up on January eighth, 155 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: so he saw firsthand what was happening, and he knew 156 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: firsthand what was supposed to happen. And he testified in 157 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: Washington yesterday at a Senate hearing that was put on 158 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: by two senators, one from Wisconsin, Ron Johnson, and one 159 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: from Florida, Rick Scott, who we had on the show yesterday. 160 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: Curiously not put on by Adam Schiff and Alex Padia, 161 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: and the purpose is to fight out the truth of 162 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: what happened. And Patrick Butler told the truth, and we're 163 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: going to continue playing clips from him, and then we're 164 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: going to get to Rick Crawford, who also has been 165 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: with the Los Angeles Fire Department for a long time 166 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: before moving on to a job in Washington, d C. 167 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: So let's now go to the next segment, and he says, 168 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: he talks here about the decision window to make the 169 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: most important decisions to prevent a fire. Cut number five. 170 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: Once a fire becomes fully wind driven, outcomes are largely 171 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 2: determined by what leaders did or failed to do before 172 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 2: the wind arrived. That decision window existed, and it was missed. 173 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: These failures extend beyond the fire department during critical preparedness period, 174 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: the mayor was out of the country despite knowledge of 175 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: the forecasted life threatening conditions. 176 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: Responsibly for a continuity of. 177 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: Leadership in the citywide coordination rests with the mayor, and 178 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: in this case, that responsibility was not met. After the fire, 179 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 2: internal after action findings were altered despite documented objections from 180 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: the independent review team. 181 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: You got that, I mean, we knew this, but you 182 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: still hear apologists saying, well, well, nobody could have stopped 183 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: that fire. What he says, it's the decision window is 184 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: before the fire. It's the decisions you make then that 185 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: keeps twelve people from dying and six thousand homes from burning. 186 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: And he said that window was missed and says clearly 187 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: it's because Bear Bass was out of the country and shed. 188 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: He also said clearly that she knew about the fire, 189 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: and of course she did. She lied. I saw a 190 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: lie to Alex Michaelson claiming that she didn't know there 191 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: were seven days of warnings. Nonsense, she knew, she didn't care, 192 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: she went anyway. These people don't care. Kristin Crowley made 193 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: a big stink of being underfunded, but she did have 194 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 1: a whole She was scared to spend money. She had 195 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: a whole second shift of firefighters that she sent home. 196 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: She also didn't create a plan, so she was incompetent. 197 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: She was cowed by the budget. Karen Bass and the 198 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: city council had defunded her department the way Eric Carcetti 199 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: had defunded her apartment. But that's no excuse for not 200 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: having a plan, no excuse for not executing the plan 201 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: that Patrick Butler had written up many years ago. There's 202 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: something about taking action and getting permission later. If they 203 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: had saved the Palisades, or at least a good part 204 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: of the Palisades, I think she would have been forgiven. 205 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: You go for forgiveness, not permission. Everybody knows that bass 206 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: claiming that you know she was in constant contact the 207 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: whole time. She was not. She was drinking at a 208 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: party with the President of Ghana. She had no idea 209 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 1: what was going on. Kristin Crowley was here and set 210 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: absolutely no when she heard the Lockman fire. Did she 211 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: know the Lochman fire was still smoldering, still burning? Did 212 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: anybody tell her that battalion chief that told everybody to 213 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: roll up the hoses? Was it entirely because of the 214 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: pressure from the Parks and Recreation Department under Gavin Newsom's control. 215 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: Apparently that the state Park Reps actually kicked off the 216 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: LA Fire Department. Why did they listen? Why didn't they 217 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: make a big public stink about it? As as Patrick 218 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: Butler said in earlier testimony, of course the Lockman fire 219 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: was going to reignite with those wins. Of course it 220 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: would those kind of fires if not put out properly 221 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: put out, they do blow up again. That was no surprise. 222 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: This was all preventable. We're gonna play you now cut 223 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: six where he talks about it being a preventable event. 224 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: Based on my experience, the fire was not inevitable disaster. 225 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 2: It was a preventable event, shaped by decisions maybe before 226 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: the wind arrived. When leaders act early onknown risks, disasters 227 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: are prevented. When leaders delay, defer, or minimize risks, disasters 228 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 2: are manufactured. The Palisades fire was not caused by weather alone. 229 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: It was caused by leadership decisions. 230 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: There you go, which we pointed out right away, way 231 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: back in January. I can't tell you how many times 232 00:15:48,200 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: I have read people commenting online journalists politicians are climate change. 233 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: Once in a century of that, nothing anybody could have 234 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: done could have stopped the You're all full of it. 235 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: You're lying, and they know they're lying because they're all 236 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: covered up. For Karen Bass, God forbid, God forbid, you 237 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: end a political career of an incompetent fool. We thought 238 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: a trip to Africa was much more important than protecting 239 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: the city. Just by staying in her seat and having meetings. Yeah, her, 240 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: a deputy mayor in charge of the fire department, on 241 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: house arrest because he called it a fake bomb threat. 242 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: What kind of a nut is that? The head of 243 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: the city Council, Marquise Harris Dawson, whose responsibility was to 244 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: take over with Bass and Brian Williams gone, he didn't 245 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: show up until a day and a half later. Everything 246 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: I can do, terrible people, All right, Let's go to 247 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: Rick Crawford. Now, Rick Crawford spent many years. He made 248 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: it all the way up to battalion chief. He was 249 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: a fire captain for a long time with the Los 250 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: Angeles Fire Department, and now he is involved in crisis 251 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: management at the US Capital, development and implementation of crisis 252 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: management and evacuation plans for the national special security events 253 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: surrounding the Capitol. He's been there and seen it all. 254 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: And you know what, let's take a break. When we 255 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: come back, we'll play you his testimony at the Senate 256 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: hearing in Washington for US Senators Rick Johnson and Ron 257 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: Johnson and Rick Scott. Right, Rick Scott and Ron Johnson. 258 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: We've got Rick Scott, Ron Johnson, and Rick Crawford the 259 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: fire chief and getting all their names all mushed together. 260 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: All right, that's next time. 261 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI AM 262 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 4: six forty. 263 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: We're on every day from one un till four o'clock. 264 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: After four o'clock John Cobelt Show on demand, that's the podcast, 265 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: and that's where you listen to whatever you missed. Moistline 266 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: eight seven seven Moist eighty six for Friday, eight seven 267 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: seven Moist eighty six. That's tomorrow. I'm always surprised, but 268 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: it's tomorrow. Plenty of room, plenty of room. All right, 269 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: there's openings for you, so get going and use the 270 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: talkback feature on the iHeart app one eight seven seven 271 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: Moist davy six. All right. First half hour he spent 272 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: playing Patrick Butler's testimony at the Senate hearing in Washington 273 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: on the Palisades fire. And again you may not be 274 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 1: familiar with him. I mentioned him several times because he 275 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: was quoted in La Times stories. He's the fire chief 276 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: now of for Dondo Beach, but he served thirty one 277 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: years as rising up to assistant chief with the Los 278 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: Angeles Fire Department, and he wrote the book and had 279 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: to respond to hugh huge wildfires and other disasters. He 280 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: and others created all the protocols, and he also went 281 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: to the Palisades fire as part of a mutual aid, 282 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: a mutual aid agreement that were Dondo Beach had with LA. 283 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: So he saw firsthand that it was chaos, and he 284 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 1: blames everything on fire management, on fire officials, not the 285 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: firefighters themselves. Kristin Crowley and Karen Bass, who completely abdicated 286 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: her position go ahead vote for re election. There was 287 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: another guy, another man who testified today. I'm going to 288 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: play his clips, and he spent many years in Los 289 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: Angeles fire department management circles. He was a battalion chief, 290 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: he was a fire captain for a long time. He 291 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: is now working at the US Capitol. His name is 292 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: Rick cross Efford, and he works in crisis management at 293 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: the US Capital, developing and implementing crisis management and evacuation 294 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: plans for national security special events. For example, President Carter 295 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: state funeral, the presidential inauguration, the presidential address to a 296 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: joint Session of Congress. He handles the crisis management and 297 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: evacuation plans for that. So these guys are at absolutely 298 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: the top of the business, very well educated, very well experienced. 299 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: You heard Patrick Butler now we're going to go to 300 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: Rick Crawford. Here's Rick Crawford's testimony why the fire was 301 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: not unforseeable. 302 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 5: I appear before you today to discuss the Palastates fire 303 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 5: not simply as a wildfire, but as a cast study 304 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 5: in how known risk, predictable conditions, and fragmented leadership and 305 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 5: governance can converge into catastrophic impact. I can say this 306 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 5: without hesitation. This fire was not unforeseeable. So the California 307 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 5: exists in a permanent state of wildfire risk with aim 308 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 5: fuel loads, when corridors and seasonal weather patterns are well documented. 309 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 5: What failed was not the tactics, strategy, courage, or professionalism 310 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 5: of firefighters and first responders. What failed was not the 311 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 5: willingness of agencies to act. What failed was the leadership 312 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 5: and the system's ability to convert non risk into decisive, 313 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 5: coordinated action early enough to change outcomes from decades in 314 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 5: commanding coordination roles. I can state unequivocally wildfires are not 315 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 5: disasters at ignition. They become disasters when one is are 316 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 5: recognized but failed to trigger executive action, when leadership is fragmented, 317 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 5: and when preparedness exist on paper rather than an execution. 318 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: That is Rick Crawford there and by the way, nothing 319 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 1: Crawford says, or Patrick Butler nothing what they say showed 320 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: up in any of these after action investigative reports, you know, 321 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: the ones that were rewritten a half a dozen times 322 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: with a public relations agency, one that was rewritten under 323 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: with Karen Bass's input, that was all covered up, whether 324 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: it was Kristin Crowley, Ronnie Viaduweva and al Heimi Moore goes. 325 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 3: I don't know. 326 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about it. I wasn't there. Let's 327 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: play cut number nine and no cut number eight were 328 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: up to and he says, the Palistaates fire exposed three vulnerabilities. 329 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 5: The policas fire exposed three systematic vulnerabilities. First, risk recognition 330 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 5: did not translate into risk ownership while the threat. 331 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 3: Was widely understood. 332 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 5: Fiscal considerations repeatedly overrolled responsibility for mitigation, readiness and timely escalation. 333 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 3: Predictive fire modeling. 334 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 5: Tools were available, but when unused, and inter agency coordination 335 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 5: was not fully integrated into pre incident decision making, allowing 336 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 5: known risks to persist without decisive action. Second, governance did 337 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 5: not move at the speed of conditions. Wildfires escalated minutes, 338 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 5: and governance systems often moving hours or days. That gap 339 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 5: between emerging threat and unified, empowered decision making can determine 340 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 5: whether an incident remains manageable or becomes catastrophic. Third, our 341 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 5: systems remain overwhelmingly reactive. We continue to rely on extraordinary 342 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 5: effort by responders to overcome leadership governance gaps, rather than 343 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 5: designing systems that reduce the likelihood of catastrophe before deployment 344 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 5: ever begins. The This pattern is not unique to the 345 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 5: Palisades fire. It reflects a broader national challenge and crisis management. 346 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 5: I use a simple framework recognize, respond, resolve. Recognition requires 347 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 5: early action to warning signs and emerging threats. Respond with 348 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 5: decisive and adaptable leadership, and resolve with the mission completion mindset, 349 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 5: with accountability, institutional learning, and structural reform, not simply rebuilding 350 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 5: what existed before. 351 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: I wonder if Karen Bass is going to try to 352 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: smear these two guys, because she and Newsom operate with 353 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: one tactic. They crack up the smear machine to try 354 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: to describe to people. I want to see her go 355 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: after Patrick Butler and Rick Crawford. Uh, We're gonna play 356 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: another clip here from Rick Crawford. He has advocated for 357 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: years for something called all risk government at all risk 358 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: governance doctrine. 359 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 5: I've advocated for what is known as an all risk 360 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 5: governance doctrine designed to be integrated into a broader national framework, 361 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 5: a ten point plan. All risk governance doctrine establishes clear authority, 362 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 5: predefined escalation triggers, and unified executive accountability across all hazards 363 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 5: before an incident occurs. It moves decision making upstream, ensures, 364 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 5: warning signals, trigger action, and alliance fire law, technology, utilities, 365 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 5: emergency management, and mutual aid under a single governance framework. 366 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 3: How could so. 367 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 1: Many LA Fire officials make do so many things wrong? 368 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: How could they have botched this so badly in so 369 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: many different ways? Patrick Butler and Rick Crawford spent decades, 370 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: in decades working for the LA Fire Department. They knew 371 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: this stuff. Tremendous experience. Like I told you, Butler wrote 372 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: the book that the LA Fire Department is still guided 373 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: by for these situations. Does the current fire leadership are 374 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: they not able to read? They had a week to rehearse, 375 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: a week to game this out, seven days worth of 376 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: catastrophic fire and wind warnings, and then the morning of 377 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: January seventh, I, whoa, there's a fire where. Oh it's 378 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: the old fire. All they had to do was send 379 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: a crew to the old fire. It's all they had 380 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: to do. Or cruise, however many was needed. They should 381 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: have put the damn thing out on January second. How 382 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: could it be so wrong? And how much does Newsom, 383 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: State Park and wreck employees have to do with this? 384 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: You notice nobody's talking about it. Everything is whitewashed in 385 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: the investigative reports. There's some state report never even came out. 386 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: You realize you really have bad, bad, dangerous people running things, 387 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: really bad and dangerous. They killed twelve people, They destroyed 388 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: almost seven thousand buildings, six thousand homes. Do you realize 389 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: how much damage they have brought to people's lives And 390 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: they're all still sitting in their jobs. And I'm not 391 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,719 Speaker 1: even talking about Genie Kinnonias and that stupid freaking reservoir 392 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: that was empty. You got one more here. This is 393 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: Rick Crawford talks about the purpose of his testimony. 394 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 5: My testimony is not about assigning blame after the facts. 395 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 5: It is about asking the right questions and implementing aggressive, 396 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 5: actionable solutions so the next fire does not follow the 397 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 5: same script. Disaster like the Palisas are simply not environmental events. 398 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,360 Speaker 5: They are stress tests of leadership, governance, and institutional readiness. 399 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 5: The American people do not expect perfection. However, they do 400 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 5: expect foresight, they expect coordination, and they expect accountability. 401 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 3: That leads to say, for communities, I. 402 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: Would love to see the calendar the Karen Bass had 403 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: starting December thirty first to January seventh. Well, we know, 404 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, half that calendar would take place in Africa. 405 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: And the calendar for Kristin Crowley, and the calendar for 406 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: all the other leaders at the time. What did they 407 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: do all day for that week? Were they still drunk 408 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: and hungover from New Year's What did they do with 409 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: their days? What did they think when they turned on 410 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: the television and they saw all those, uh in all 411 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 1: those all those apocalyptic forecasts about wind and fire. What 412 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: was their reaction? Did any of go It's like, hey, 413 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: you know, we got we got that fire up in 414 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: the Palisades a couple of days ago. That thing's gonna 415 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 1: whip up again. Huh? Did anybody call Parks and rec Department? 416 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: Did anybody, call anybody, anybody in the state bureauquacy, any 417 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 1: council people, assembly people, state senators, anybody at all, anybody 418 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: in the media, by the way, pay any attention to this. No, 419 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: of course they didn't. And yet every time Newsom opened 420 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: up his his his, his whole osy babbling about fimate 421 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: change and it was an arsonist and it was the 422 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: ordinary Santa and the winds we always get, and it 423 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: was massive incompetence. He didn't send any fire crews to 424 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: the Palisades either, he didn't pre deploy anybody. He lied 425 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: about it. Karen Bass lied and said she didn't even 426 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: know the wind was coming, and knew some lied and 427 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: claimed that he had pre deployed state fire trucks there 428 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: to the site. Just lives blatant, stupid lies. And Karen 429 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: Bass wants to remain his mayor. Gavin Newsom wants to 430 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: be president. And there's still there's hundreds of thousands and 431 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: millions of people that will vote for those two. What 432 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: a bizarre world. All right, we will continue. 433 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 434 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 4: six forty. 435 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: You want to follow us, it's at John Cobelt radio 436 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: on social media at John Cobelt Radio on social media, 437 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: or subscribe on YouTube at YouTube dot com, slash at 438 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: Johncobelts Show YouTube dot com, slash at John Cobelt's show. 439 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: We're going to talk with Alex Stone right after Dever's news. 440 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: ICE agents Trump announced this months ago, we're going to 441 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: be on the ground in Santa Clara for the Super Bowl, 442 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: and usually they're part of the overall law enforcement effort, 443 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: but the administration has made it sound like ICE might 444 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: conduct immigration enforcement, and so political leaders in Santa Clara, 445 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: which is way way left wing. My favorite story. I 446 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: mentioned this from time to time because I can't get 447 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: out of my head. During the COVID lockdown, they made 448 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: the two NBC announcers Al Michaels and Chris Collingsworth do 449 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: Sunday Night football in an empty stadium. They have to 450 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: do the broadcast with masks on. That's how nuts they 451 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: are in Santa Clara. So obviously they're not happy about 452 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: ICE coming. Alex Stone's gonna explain all this coming up 453 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: right after two o'clock zoron Mom. Donnie is the Communist 454 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: mayor of New York City, and like Karen Bass, the 455 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: communist here. They think mental patients and homeless people drug 456 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: addicts should have the freedom to roam free, that it's 457 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: not fair to put restrictions on the choices they make 458 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: in life. They shouldn't have to live under the rules 459 00:30:54,800 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: imposed by people who go to work and live in 460 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: regular homes. Unfair. So the other day Zorron mom Donnie 461 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: reversed a policy and said that he is not going 462 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: to take down encampments anymore. He's not going to force 463 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: homeless people into shelters. Eric Adams, the Old Bear, was 464 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: insistent that everybody they found on the street he dragged 465 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: off to a shelter, whether they liked it or not. 466 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: So Mom Donnie just took over as mare, and his 467 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: way was to say, no, no, no, We're not going 468 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: to force anybody indoors. Homeless people can live in their encampments. 469 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: We're not going to infringe on their rights. Uh. Well, 470 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: then they had this incredible record breaking Arctic could snap 471 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: and ten New Yorkers were found dead outdoors, six of 472 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: them homeless, and Mom Donnie had to admit to it. 473 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: He actually killed sick people by refusing to have them 474 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: picked up and put into a warm shelter. Mamdani has 475 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: has killed six people, basically murdered six people with his policy. Yo, 476 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: out here, out here, I believe, I believe bass lasts 477 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: six people to die every week in La So it's 478 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: six a week. Mamdani killed six people in a night. 479 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: But of course they're the ones who are compassionate. They're 480 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: the ones who were loving and understanding and respectful of 481 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: their rights. And they're all frozen dead, stiff, hard as 482 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: a carp And now the other politicians are saying, well, 483 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: you got to force them into shelters. Mam Donnie said, well, 484 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: that's a last resort. Well it should have. The last 485 00:32:53,720 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: resort should have been when it was zero degrees outside. 486 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: Former city Controller Scott Stringer said, I don't care what 487 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: your ideology is. When it's seven degrees, you get everyone 488 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: in a safe place. So they have frozen bodies now, 489 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: I guess stacked up At the Corner's office in New 490 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: York City, the executive director of the Coalition for the Homeless, 491 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: said the death poll was unprecedented. I've lived in New 492 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: York all my life. I can't remember a time and 493 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: so many people have died from a winter storm in 494 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: such a short period of time. It's absolutely tragic. How 495 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: about that, mom? Donnie is on the job just like 496 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: less than a month and already one of his stupid, 497 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: woke progressive policies has ended up in tragedy, don't they all? 498 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: Former fire commissioner in New York, Tom van Essen said 499 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: he would have told the firefighters and emergency workers pick 500 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: up the homeless people, take them to a shelter, whether 501 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: they like it or not. He goes, we have many 502 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: mentally ill people who are incarcerated at Rych, but other 503 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: mentally ill people have to freeze to death. Umdanni is 504 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: a crazy person, like thatass is a crazy person. Bumdani 505 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: is a crazy person. These are communists, Democratic Socialists of America. 506 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: It's all nonsense. Drug addicts, mental patients have the right 507 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: to be wandering outdoors, snorting their meth, injecting their fentanyl, 508 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: taking dumps in the street, paying all over the place, 509 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: menacing people, running around with swords and knives, stabbing people 510 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: on subways. They all have the right to do it. 511 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: We've got no business telling them how to live. There 512 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: you go. They want to freeze to death, just let 513 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,720 Speaker 1: them freeze to death and die. That is the loving 514 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: compassion of this crowd. Unbelievable. That's what people vote for now, 515 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: to get rid of homeless people, isn't it. If Mom 516 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: Donnie wants to lower the homeless numbers, he had to 517 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: be clearing out the shelters and send them all out 518 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: into the street because they're going to have I think 519 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: another week's worth of icy weather in New York City. 520 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 1: And actually nobody ever talks about this in the media, 521 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: but the number of you know Best claims that the 522 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: homeless number was lowered in the last year. And I 523 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: don't believe her numbers because she lies all the time. 524 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: But even if that's true, do you know it almost 525 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: exactly matches the number of homeless dead, which is one 526 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: way to lower your numbers. Just let him dive in overdose. Here, 527 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 1: we let him dive in overdose New York. They freeze 528 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: him to death. There's several ways to take care of 529 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: the problem. We come back. Alex Stone from ABC News. 530 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: Ice is going to be a part of the security 531 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: in Santa Clara for the Super Bowl and we'll see 532 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: what the reaction is from the local politicians. What network's 533 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: doing the game. I believe it's Fox this year. I 534 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: don't even know it's NBC's NBC. 535 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:03,839 Speaker 3: Yeah. 536 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, because Mike Urico's doing it, is he gonna have 537 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: to wear masks now? I mean they still worried about OVID, 538 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: No debor Mark Live the CAFI twenty for our newsroom. Hey, 539 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: you've been listening to The John Cobalt Show podcast. You 540 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: can always hear the show live on KFI AM six 541 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 1: forty from one to four pm every Monday through Friday, 542 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 1: and of course, anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app