WEBVTT - Exorcism

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Hidden Gin, a production of I Heart

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<v Speaker 1>Radio and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Minkey. Listener discretion

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<v Speaker 1>is advised. I have five maternal uncles, each one of

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<v Speaker 1>them a little bit crazier than the last. One of

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<v Speaker 1>these uncles, one of my favorites of the entire group.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, had been engaged to be married half a

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<v Speaker 1>dozen times. He had been trying to get married for

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<v Speaker 1>nearly fifteen years, but every single time the engagement would

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<v Speaker 1>get broken off for some reason or another. Year after

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<v Speaker 1>year went by and he could never go from being

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<v Speaker 1>engaged to actually getting married. He was in his late thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>a point by which he should have been well settled

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<v Speaker 1>down with a few kids of his own. And he

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<v Speaker 1>was a really nice guy, decent looking, He had his

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<v Speaker 1>own plays, had a great job, travel the world. No

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<v Speaker 1>one could figure out why he just couldn't seal the deal,

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<v Speaker 1>until finally, when he was advised to go see a

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<v Speaker 1>local woman known for her supernatural abilities. Maybe he was

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<v Speaker 1>told she could figure out what was wrong, and so

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<v Speaker 1>he went to her. He dragged a friend along with

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<v Speaker 1>him to her tiny, crumbling home on the outskirts of

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<v Speaker 1>the city. A little bit nervous about whether what he

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<v Speaker 1>was doing was even kosher. He had heard that this

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<v Speaker 1>medium healer whatever she was, dealt in black magic, and

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<v Speaker 1>that made her dangerous. But he said his prayers and

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<v Speaker 1>sucked up his fear because at this point he was desperate.

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<v Speaker 1>She was younger than he had imagined, rail thin, sunken eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>swaddled up in numerous shawls despite the blazing heat, and

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<v Speaker 1>she sat in a small, dusty courtyard on a low

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<v Speaker 1>woven seat and motion for my uncle to sit on

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<v Speaker 1>a sheet spread out on the floor in front of her.

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<v Speaker 1>She asked him his name, his parents names, and his

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<v Speaker 1>date of birth. Then she closed her eyes and mumbled

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<v Speaker 1>some prayers. After a very long five minutes or so,

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<v Speaker 1>her eyes flew open, and she told my uncle, I

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<v Speaker 1>know what's wrong. Someone has done black magic on you.

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<v Speaker 1>They've conjured a jin to block your marriage. So every

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<v Speaker 1>time you get close to getting married, this gin interferes

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<v Speaker 1>and whispers dark things into your heart or your fiance's heart,

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<v Speaker 1>and turns you against each other. The person who did

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<v Speaker 1>this magic on you as a woman who wants to

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<v Speaker 1>ruin your life, and her name starts with an end.

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<v Speaker 1>Now many of the women closest to him, including cousins

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<v Speaker 1>and sister in laws, and even his own mother had

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<v Speaker 1>names that started with the letter N. But he had

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<v Speaker 1>a feeling he knew exactly who it was, a sister

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<v Speaker 1>in law that he didn't trust, and he wasn't about

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<v Speaker 1>to let her get away with it. The healer told

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<v Speaker 1>him exactly what he needed to do to break the

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<v Speaker 1>curse and handed him a list of items he'd have

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<v Speaker 1>to retrieve and return to her with along with her fee,

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<v Speaker 1>the equivalent of about two U s. Dollars. She also

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<v Speaker 1>handed him a small plastic container, which she told him

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<v Speaker 1>was a vial of holy water from the spring of

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<v Speaker 1>Zum Zum in Mecca. He was to take this vial

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<v Speaker 1>and place it under his bed and return with it

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<v Speaker 1>and the other things she needed after a week. Seven

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<v Speaker 1>days later, he returned to her with all she had

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<v Speaker 1>asked for, hair stolen from the brush of the person

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<v Speaker 1>he suspected to have done the black magic, a black

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<v Speaker 1>rubber slipper, a basket of dried red chilies, and a

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<v Speaker 1>bundle of cash he washed as she placed the hair

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<v Speaker 1>on the dirt floor of the courtyard and poured the

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<v Speaker 1>holy water over it. Then she took the black rubber

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<v Speaker 1>sandal and began slapping the now wet patch on the floor,

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<v Speaker 1>screaming the sister in law's name, and to hell with you,

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<v Speaker 1>to hell with you, over and over. My uncle had

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<v Speaker 1>never seen anything like it. He was mortified. As she

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<v Speaker 1>grew more frenzied, bouncing up and down, slapping the muddy

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<v Speaker 1>strands of hair with all her might, until suddenly she

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<v Speaker 1>collapsed in silence. After a few minutes, she collected herself

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<v Speaker 1>and emptied the bag of dried chilies on top of

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<v Speaker 1>the rubber sandal, which was still laying in the watery

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<v Speaker 1>mess she had made. Then she set the little pile

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<v Speaker 1>of dried chilies on fire. Now, if you have never

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<v Speaker 1>burned dried chilies, the smoke is thick and peppery and choking.

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<v Speaker 1>And as this smoke rose, she blew it towards my uncle,

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<v Speaker 1>who sat their eyes watering, holding back coughs. He tried

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<v Speaker 1>to get up, but she signaled him to sit back down,

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<v Speaker 1>where he suffered until the fire went out and there

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<v Speaker 1>was no more smoke left. The healer then gathered up

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<v Speaker 1>some of the ashes into a cotton pouch and handed

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<v Speaker 1>him to my uncle, telling him to bury them where

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<v Speaker 1>no one would find them, and that once they were buried,

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<v Speaker 1>the curse would be broken. Now, my uncle told me

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<v Speaker 1>this story about a year after all of this had

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<v Speaker 1>taken place, and he laughed as he told did, and

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<v Speaker 1>I laughed with him, tears streaming down our faces as

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<v Speaker 1>he re enacted how that woman had slapped the black

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<v Speaker 1>slipper on the ground over and over, howling for his

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<v Speaker 1>sister in law to go to hell. The entire thing

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<v Speaker 1>had been ridiculous, he admitted, but he had gone ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and buried the ashes even though he was pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>that the healer was a fraud. But I wasn't so sure, though,

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<v Speaker 1>because at the time he told me this, seventeen years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I was visiting Pakistan and we were sitting in our

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<v Speaker 1>family home preparing for his wedding. I'm Robbiadrey, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be your guide into the world of the hidden Gin. Welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>While most gin, you could argue, are busy in their

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<v Speaker 1>own lives, going about their gin business, we do know

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<v Speaker 1>that business isn't always confined to their own realm. There

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<v Speaker 1>are places here on earth with a gin are known

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<v Speaker 1>to live and linger ruins and graveyards. But then sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>the GIN will decide to take up residence in your residence.

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood has produced dozens of films unhaunted houses, and ghost

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<v Speaker 1>hunters on TV have long entertained us with shaky visuals

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<v Speaker 1>of darkened locations, so we are all familiar with what

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<v Speaker 1>a potential haunting looks like. The most benign of them

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<v Speaker 1>are just the entity making its presence known, like moving

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<v Speaker 1>things around, playing little tricks on the residence, or staking

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<v Speaker 1>acclaim in a corner of the house as their own.

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<v Speaker 1>Believe it or not, I've had such experiences, and while

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<v Speaker 1>I do admit being freaked out, it was mostly just

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<v Speaker 1>a nuisance. But there are much more extreme circumstances, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>where the Gin are committed to driving out people from

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<v Speaker 1>their homes, and they do so by terrifying them in

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of ways. Over the years, I've heard dozens

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<v Speaker 1>and dozens of stories about household objects being smashed, doors

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<v Speaker 1>being slammed at all hours of the night, chairs with

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<v Speaker 1>people seated in them, being dragged across the room, toilets

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<v Speaker 1>and tubs overflowing on their own, and so on and

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<v Speaker 1>so forth. And you can witness similar things yourself online.

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<v Speaker 1>That is, there are endless YouTube videos of purported house

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<v Speaker 1>hauntings and human gin possessions. Entire accounts dedicated to just

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<v Speaker 1>these sorts of things, though I am rather skeptical of

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<v Speaker 1>the gin hunters who seem to find them in every

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<v Speaker 1>dark house they go into. Forget finding jin, though, it's

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<v Speaker 1>getting rid of them. That's a much tougher task, whether

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<v Speaker 1>you're exercising them from a place or from a human body.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not for the faint of heart, and certainly not

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<v Speaker 1>for the lay person, because when the possession is serious,

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<v Speaker 1>most of us are hardly equipped to get into a

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<v Speaker 1>fist fight with a gin. Enter the world of gin exorcism,

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<v Speaker 1>a realm full of quacks and frauds, but also powerful

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual healers that risk their lives to drive out dark

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<v Speaker 1>gin from human bodies and abodes. But before they can

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<v Speaker 1>exercise a gin, a gin has to first take possession.

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<v Speaker 1>It's believed that there are certain parts of a house

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<v Speaker 1>or dwelling that you're most likely to find the gin in,

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<v Speaker 1>usually the darkest, dirtiest, or most abandoned parts of a residence,

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<v Speaker 1>which is understandable, like the bathroom or a dank basement,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a dusty attic, but the gin are also drawn

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<v Speaker 1>to in between places. That's why they're most active in

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<v Speaker 1>this sliver of time between day and night, between dusk

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<v Speaker 1>and dawn, and it's also why they lurk under thresholds,

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<v Speaker 1>neither inside or out, but just on the boundary, but

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<v Speaker 1>also right at the opening openings to a home or

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<v Speaker 1>to a room. And similarly, the gin also need openings

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<v Speaker 1>into human beings, a crack or vulnerability that will let

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<v Speaker 1>them in, and they have a number of tricks up

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<v Speaker 1>their sleeves to get on the inside, as it were.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Moroccan lore, a jin can be invited to

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<v Speaker 1>possess someone if the victim can be tricked into eating

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<v Speaker 1>something called the ahm. In the early part of the

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth century, the French artist Aleen R. De Lenz, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first women ever to be admitted to the

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<v Speaker 1>Art School of Paris, moved to Morocco with her husband,

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<v Speaker 1>which was at the time colonized by France. Once settled

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<v Speaker 1>in her new country, Aleen dedicated herself to the revival

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<v Speaker 1>of what she deemed native arts, and herself went on

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<v Speaker 1>to create over a hundred paintings and write dozens of

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<v Speaker 1>short stories and numerous volumes about the lives of the

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<v Speaker 1>people that she lived among. She was particularly fascinated with

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<v Speaker 1>the lives of Moroccan women and their cultural norms and practices,

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<v Speaker 1>which are central to many of her writings. De Lenz

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<v Speaker 1>died young at the age of forty four in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five, and shortly after her death, her final book

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<v Speaker 1>was published, Practices of Moroccan Harems, Witchcraft, Medicine, Beauty. The

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<v Speaker 1>book was a collection of magical rituals and recipes used

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<v Speaker 1>by Moroccan women and healers for almost every issue you

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<v Speaker 1>could imagine, including recipes to and I quote, give a

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<v Speaker 1>deflowered bride the appearance of virginity, ashore a husband's fidelity,

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<v Speaker 1>bring misfortune upon a co wife, augment the size of breasts,

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<v Speaker 1>and for irritated mothers in law, detaching a newly married

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<v Speaker 1>son from the two beloved new wife. If a wife

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to dominate a marriage, according to this book, all

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<v Speaker 1>she had to do was, after being intimate with her husband,

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<v Speaker 1>urinate into her cupped hand and then pour the contents

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<v Speaker 1>into her unsuspecting husband's tea while reciting this chant, I

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<v Speaker 1>made you drink my water so that you do not

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<v Speaker 1>see but by my eyes you do not hear, but

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<v Speaker 1>by my ears you do not speak, but by my words.

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<v Speaker 1>If a woman wanted her husband to desire her more,

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<v Speaker 1>she had to preserve a fresh, plump date inside her

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<v Speaker 1>well private regions and then mix it into her husband's food.

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<v Speaker 1>To stop an abusive husband from beating his wife, he

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<v Speaker 1>had to be fed soup made with hyena's brains, and

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<v Speaker 1>so on and so forth. Among these recipes was the

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<v Speaker 1>preparation of the arm, the food that, if eaten, would

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<v Speaker 1>cause a person to be controlled in a variety of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>The magicians and healers who prepared that the arm claimed

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<v Speaker 1>that it was in fact prepared at the guidance and

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<v Speaker 1>direction of the Jinn themselves. The preparation was described in

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<v Speaker 1>de Lenz's book like this, The coast coast is rolled

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<v Speaker 1>by the hand of the dead, mixed with the crushed

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<v Speaker 1>bones of the dead as a fatida, fallen hair reduced

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<v Speaker 1>to cinders, powder of dry toronto would have figged finally pulverized.

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<v Speaker 1>This is at the base of all magic drugs administered.

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<v Speaker 1>Unknown to the victim. That hand of the dead thing,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, wasn't taken lightly. Local doctors once reported

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<v Speaker 1>to de Lend that two women were caught digging up

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<v Speaker 1>a grave so that they could steal the hands from

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<v Speaker 1>a cadaver and use them to prepare food for one

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<v Speaker 1>of their husbands. They weren't trying to get him possessed,

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<v Speaker 1>though the ritual was supposed to have the effect of

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<v Speaker 1>a love potion and filled the spouse with endless desire

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<v Speaker 1>for his wife. Instead, once the women were caught, the

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<v Speaker 1>husband actually divorced the wife. Now, if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>cause an actual gin possession, more foul things have to

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<v Speaker 1>be added to the base of this concoction. To take

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<v Speaker 1>things further, dung and feces, choice foods of the gin

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<v Speaker 1>are added to that the um, resulting in a filthy

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<v Speaker 1>mix that no person in their right mind would voluntarily eat,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why the victim has to be tricked into

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<v Speaker 1>eating it, And that trick involves the person's own personal jin,

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<v Speaker 1>the kareen. You'll remember earlier in the season, we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this jin, the one that every person is born

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<v Speaker 1>with and dies with the front of me for life,

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<v Speaker 1>that you just can't shake. According to de Lenz's book,

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<v Speaker 1>the way to get the evil gin on the inside,

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<v Speaker 1>as it were, was for it to team up with

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<v Speaker 1>the victims screen and influence it to make their person

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<v Speaker 1>eat the filthy the arm which the evil gin was

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<v Speaker 1>attached to. And once that the arm is inside your

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<v Speaker 1>belly and running through your bloodstream, so is the possessing

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<v Speaker 1>gin itself. You might be relieved thinking that you're safe

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<v Speaker 1>from gin possession because while no one you know would

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<v Speaker 1>or could go to such lengths to saddle you with one,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, no one dislikes you that much, right, But

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<v Speaker 1>not all gin possessions are orchestrated by a human enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes the gin go about possessing people completely of their

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<v Speaker 1>own volition. They might do it for revenge if a

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<v Speaker 1>human hurt them or another gin, usually without knowing it,

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<v Speaker 1>but they can also be driven by lust, desire, jealousy

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<v Speaker 1>of a person, wanting that person to themselves, not unlike

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<v Speaker 1>a real life stalker. In such cases, these gin can't

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<v Speaker 1>rely on their victim eating the arm to enter the body,

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<v Speaker 1>so they have to find other openings, and according to tradition,

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<v Speaker 1>every opening in the physical body is fair game for

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<v Speaker 1>the gin, and not just the obvious ones like the nose, mouth,

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<v Speaker 1>and ears, even the fused fontanels in the skull like

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<v Speaker 1>that soft spot on the top of the head. The temples,

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<v Speaker 1>the eye sockets are considered gateways into the inner space

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<v Speaker 1>of a human being. Then, of course, there are the

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<v Speaker 1>openings of the nether regions, which according to tradition, are

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<v Speaker 1>just as vulnerable to invasion as any other opening in

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<v Speaker 1>the body and should be guarded accordingly. But these openings

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<v Speaker 1>also don't have to be physical. Overwhelming emotions such as

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<v Speaker 1>fear or despair are exactly those cracks that render a

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<v Speaker 1>person less able to fend off a gin attack. Fright

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<v Speaker 1>is in a specially powerful break in a person's psychic

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<v Speaker 1>defense mechanism, which is one reason evil gin will do

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<v Speaker 1>all they can to scare the heavy jeebs out of you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just for kicks, it's to create breaks in

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<v Speaker 1>your armor that lets them right on into your body.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea that demons or even Satan could take possession

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<v Speaker 1>of a person is as old as the belief in

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<v Speaker 1>these beings themselves, and ancient scrolls were found in the

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<v Speaker 1>caves of Gormran on the shores of the West Bank

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<v Speaker 1>and Palestine that attest to that belief. You may have

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<v Speaker 1>heard of them. The Dead Sea Scrolls, which were discovered

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<v Speaker 1>in ninety, but date back a few centuries before the

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<v Speaker 1>birth of Jesus of Nazareth. A prayer found in the

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<v Speaker 1>scroll reads, do not let Satan or an unclean spirit

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<v Speaker 1>rule over me. Do not let pain or an evil

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<v Speaker 1>inclination take possession of my bones, demonstrating that the Jews

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<v Speaker 1>of this period acknowledge that this was a real possibility. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>given that we've all seen the x or sist, you

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<v Speaker 1>might believe that we all know the signs of demonic

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<v Speaker 1>possession when we see it. I mean, what else could

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<v Speaker 1>explain speaking in tongues while your head spins three sixty degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>But the signs aren't always so obvious. An online blog

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<v Speaker 1>aptly named gin Exorcist tells the story of an average

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<v Speaker 1>housewife who suddenly began acting really strange. The blog has

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<v Speaker 1>only two entries, both written by the son of the

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<v Speaker 1>suspected victim of possession. His mother was generally a sweet woman,

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<v Speaker 1>sensitive and kind hearted, and when family problems arose, she

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<v Speaker 1>took them to heart pretty deeply. One day, having been

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<v Speaker 1>unable to sleep the night before because of family issues,

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<v Speaker 1>his mother fell with a thud in the kitchen. When

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<v Speaker 1>they found her, she was on the floor having passed out,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe from exhaustion, but she seemed okay afterwards and fell

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<v Speaker 1>into a deep sleep for the rest of the evening.

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<v Speaker 1>But around one am, the family woke suddenly to the

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<v Speaker 1>sound of crashing glass. They found the mother standing in

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<v Speaker 1>front of her dress or mirror, which she had smashed

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<v Speaker 1>with a perfume bottle as she screamed repeatedly, you're a

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<v Speaker 1>bad mother. I'm going to kill you. She then turned

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<v Speaker 1>to her husband and demanded to know who he was,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she passed out again, and when she came to,

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't recognize anyone in the family, not even her children.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, of course, the family started freaking out

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<v Speaker 1>and called nine one one, thinking she was having a

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<v Speaker 1>psychiatric break, But when she was taken to the hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>all the tests checked out just fine. They weren't able

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<v Speaker 1>to find any medical reason for the fainting and memory loss,

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<v Speaker 1>and so she was released to go home. The next day,

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<v Speaker 1>she seemed fine, but the family had started wondering whether

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<v Speaker 1>they were dealing with something supernatural, so the Sun reached

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<v Speaker 1>out to a cleric to ask how they would know

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<v Speaker 1>if this was Gin related. The cleric told him to

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<v Speaker 1>look out for some common but relatively unrecognized symptoms of

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<v Speaker 1>gin possession joint pains, abnormal headaches, extreme temperature changes in

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<v Speaker 1>the body, excess of yawning, laziness, and nightmare. He also

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<v Speaker 1>advised that they recite a number of prayers and blow

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<v Speaker 1>into a glass of water to give the mother to drink.

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<v Speaker 1>If she complained that the water tasted weird or like ash,

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<v Speaker 1>that meant a gin had taken over her. They never

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<v Speaker 1>did get a chance to do the water test because

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<v Speaker 1>it turned out they didn't need it. That same night,

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<v Speaker 1>the mother began speaking in someone else's voice, the voice

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<v Speaker 1>of the gin that was possessing her. He spoke through

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<v Speaker 1>the mother in a deep voice as she either stared

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<v Speaker 1>ahead unblinking or closed her eyes with a smirk. His name,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, was a mus Rooney. He was a gin

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<v Speaker 1>from India, he told the family, and he liked living

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<v Speaker 1>with them and liked living in her body, where he

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<v Speaker 1>had dwelled for the past twelve years. We are never

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<v Speaker 1>told whether the family was able to exercise Musrooney the

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<v Speaker 1>gin from the mother, because the blog stopped short of

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<v Speaker 1>the next entry. But they were on the right path,

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<v Speaker 1>because according to the customs, the first thing you need

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<v Speaker 1>to try to do when exercising a gin is to

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<v Speaker 1>determine the jin's name, if that is the general give it.

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<v Speaker 1>The gin will ordinarily resist giving too much information about themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>because the more they give up, the less power they have.

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<v Speaker 1>Knowing the name of a gin, where it's from, what

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<v Speaker 1>it's lineages, gives you leverage over it, and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a similar way to knowing all that information about someone

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<v Speaker 1>you're interrogating. It can take repeated intense questioning, coupled with

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<v Speaker 1>irritating the gin, for example by tugging on their victims

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<v Speaker 1>ears or pulling their hair. Establishing the name of the

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<v Speaker 1>gin is most important in cultures where exercising a possessed

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<v Speaker 1>person is less about driving out in evil gin and

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<v Speaker 1>more about establishing what you could call a working relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with it. The book The hammad Sha, a study in

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<v Speaker 1>Moroccan ethnopsychiatry, details how the latter approach is much more

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<v Speaker 1>likely to be taken on in that region. That's because

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<v Speaker 1>in Morocco, certain powerful jin's like La la Aisha, the

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<v Speaker 1>camel footed she demon or her consort Sidney Hammu are

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<v Speaker 1>not just believed to exist, they're also venerated and feared

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<v Speaker 1>If these gin are responsible for a possession, the victim's

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<v Speaker 1>best bet is to just join the very Sufi order

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<v Speaker 1>connected to the gin in order to appease it. In

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<v Speaker 1>one particular case, a man who was a member of

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<v Speaker 1>the Sufi order called the Miliana dreamt on three consecutive

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<v Speaker 1>nights that the Jin La la Aisha had grabbed him

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<v Speaker 1>by the neck and slammed him onto the ground. She

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<v Speaker 1>said to him in the dream, either you work for

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<v Speaker 1>me or I'll have your neck. Over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>those days, the man grew so sick and weak he

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<v Speaker 1>could no longer walk. Finally, his wife bought him a

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<v Speaker 1>black tunic and red turban the colors beloved to La

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<v Speaker 1>la Aisha, and after performing a ritual to join the

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<v Speaker 1>Jin's order, he recovered. He told the author quote, Aisha

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<v Speaker 1>asked me to perform her rituals for the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>my life. I will always work for La la Aisha.

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<v Speaker 1>Now women hold a special place among these orders when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to dealing with gin, acting as what are

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<v Speaker 1>called the law or exorcism sears. They're brought in especially

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<v Speaker 1>when a gin can't be identified, and they use their

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<v Speaker 1>powers of divination to cast and read Cali shells. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>those pretty speckled shells that are often made into jewelry

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<v Speaker 1>in our part of the world are in fact central

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<v Speaker 1>to one of the oldest divination rituals in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>used to connect with ancestors, spirits, and yes jin, most

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<v Speaker 1>commonly in West Africa. Once the gin is identified, elaborate

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<v Speaker 1>communal rituals are often undertaken to appease the gin, and

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most well known such rituals in North

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<v Speaker 1>Africa is the Czar exorcism ceremony. The Czar exorcism is

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<v Speaker 1>meant to appease no other than the Tsar itself, malevolent

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<v Speaker 1>demons that most frequently attached themselves to women. It's believed

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<v Speaker 1>that there are eight demon jins called sar Roach who

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<v Speaker 1>all serve at the pleasure of the Jinn, King Warobal Mama,

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<v Speaker 1>and any of these could be behind a possession. The

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<v Speaker 1>czar ritual itself is not only done mostly by women,

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<v Speaker 1>it's also often led by women. In the two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and three book Women and Demons Culled Healing in Islamic Egypt,

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<v Speaker 1>the author witnessed a ritual for herself and Cairo when

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<v Speaker 1>she accompanied a well known exorcist named Sika Zahara to

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<v Speaker 1>a ceremony meant to cleanse the gin from a victim

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Czar Bride. The ceremony took place in

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<v Speaker 1>the dead of the night at the home of a

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<v Speaker 1>woman who lived in a house made out of a

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<v Speaker 1>grave right in the center of the Cairo Necropolis. The

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<v Speaker 1>Necropolis is a massive one thousand year old cemetery called

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<v Speaker 1>the City of the Dead, but it houses not only

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<v Speaker 1>the dead, but also thousands of living Egyptians who make

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<v Speaker 1>their homes right next to the deceased. A group of

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<v Speaker 1>women were already gathered in this grave house, and the author,

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<v Speaker 1>also a woman, was immediately doused with incense and seated

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor so the ceremony could begin. The Czar Bride,

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<v Speaker 1>a woman in her fifties, was dressed in white with

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<v Speaker 1>a head dress and ornaments, and the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>women formed a circle around her. Amid drums enchanting by

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<v Speaker 1>shaik A Zara, the women let out a high pitched euilation,

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<v Speaker 1>a joyous sound signifying celebration. Suddenly, the drumming and chanting stopped,

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<v Speaker 1>and the bride was led into the center of the room,

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<v Speaker 1>where two turkeys were brought to her. Sik A Zara

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<v Speaker 1>apologized to the birds and then slaughtered them and smeared

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<v Speaker 1>some of the blood on the bride's forehead, cheeks, and hands.

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<v Speaker 1>And then something truly unusual happened. A bottle of whiskey

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<v Speaker 1>was broken out and poured for everyone in the room. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone in that room was Muslim and would ordinarily shun

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<v Speaker 1>alcohol as completely forbidden in the faith, But as was

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<v Speaker 1>explained by the author, they were dealing with some very

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<v Speaker 1>special circumstances. The gin who had possessed the czar bride

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<v Speaker 1>was a Christian gin, and he had ordered that everyone

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<v Speaker 1>must drink the whiskey to appease him, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>they couldn't say no. The women lit up cigarettes, drank

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<v Speaker 1>the whiskey, and began intense, dramatic, exhausting dancing, shaking and shuddering,

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<v Speaker 1>swiveling hips, and swirling scarves and sticks for hours, each

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<v Speaker 1>one channeling a different Gin through their particular movements. At

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the exorcism, the gin hadn't exactly been

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<v Speaker 1>driven anywhere. Rather, the gin had become the master of

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<v Speaker 1>the possessed, and the ceremony itself was a means for

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<v Speaker 1>the possessed to submit to the Gin, a submission that

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<v Speaker 1>they will be bound to for the rest of their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>They will live as their master's servant, dancing the day,

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<v Speaker 1>answers the master enjoys, wearing the colors he or she prefers,

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<v Speaker 1>and participating in the rituals the master expects. These are exorcism,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems then, it's not at all about exercising the

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<v Speaker 1>gin from a person. It's more about exercising a person's

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<v Speaker 1>resistance to the gin. It seems like a heavy price

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<v Speaker 1>to pay, but for most it's worth it to no

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<v Speaker 1>longer be tormented by gin whose power can never be matched.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also, i suppose, worth the large sums of money

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<v Speaker 1>that have to be paid to the woman in charge,

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<v Speaker 1>sheik Zara for the Czar ritual itself. Of course, not

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<v Speaker 1>everyone is on board with pretty much just giving in

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<v Speaker 1>and submitting to a gin, and frankly, not all gin's

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<v Speaker 1>are on that same train either, which brings us to

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of exorcism that we think about When we

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<v Speaker 1>think about exorcism, you know what I mean, the priestly

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<v Speaker 1>figure chanting, script, shaking holy water, sweating, hollering, exhausted by

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<v Speaker 1>the effort to drive out a demon from its victims.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, those kinds of exorcisms happen all around the

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<v Speaker 1>world with experts claiming to be able to expel the

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<v Speaker 1>Gin from human hosts. Enter Abu Yusuf, intrepid Jin hunter

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<v Speaker 1>and healer from Detroit, Michigan, who was profiled on the

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<v Speaker 1>Religion News blog fifteen years ago. Abu use Of claims

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<v Speaker 1>clients all across the globe and was tracked down for

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<v Speaker 1>his profile in Beirut on his way to the Gulf

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<v Speaker 1>to perform some exorcisms. Yusef wasn't born with any special

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<v Speaker 1>powers in the field, but he spent hours studying scripture,

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<v Speaker 1>and one day, two decades later, as he was deep

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<v Speaker 1>in study, he suddenly felt something what he wouldn't say.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a secret, and that secret opened up the

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<v Speaker 1>secret world of Gin to him, a world he was

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<v Speaker 1>able to see clearly. Ever, since not every Gin exorcist

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<v Speaker 1>has the power to see Jin. Ordinarily, making use of

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<v Speaker 1>special in a I see dead people kind of way,

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<v Speaker 1>he could vouch, for example, that six of the dwellings

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<v Speaker 1>in the UK were haunted by Gin, and could also

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<v Speaker 1>tell what a person is possessed by a Jin even

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<v Speaker 1>if that person is showing no apparent signs of it

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<v Speaker 1>during the interview itself. Use have told one of the

0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 1>two journalists that she was possessed by a gin, but

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:23.119
<v Speaker 1>her male colleague nope, which tracks with the use of

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 1>theory that most gin possessions happened to women by jin who,

0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:32.919
<v Speaker 1>out of lustful obsession, sexually violate their victim. Those such cases,

0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:36.720
<v Speaker 1>he said he saw frequently. The reporter, who was hoping

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 1>to witness an exorcism, decided she may as well just

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 1>get exercised herself, and so she revisited Yusuf, who began

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<v Speaker 1>by seating her in a chair, feet firmly planted, hands

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 1>on her thighs relaxed as use have bent close to

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:54.959
<v Speaker 1>her ear chanting prayers. At first, she tried to focus

0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:58.159
<v Speaker 1>on the words, but then they all started to blur together.

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Then she rights the shadows and lights reflected on the

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:07.359
<v Speaker 1>stone floor start to dance. My vision blurs, My hands

0:28:07.560 --> 0:28:10.240
<v Speaker 1>start to sweat. I can feel my hands start to

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<v Speaker 1>lift up just a little bit, but strongly enough to

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<v Speaker 1>make it hard to keep them down when I try.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea how long this is all taken.

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.119
<v Speaker 1>It has been some twenty minutes until my hands and

0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 1>legs started shaking slowly. My hands are still up, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was it. She was then given a drink of

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<v Speaker 1>water and told that the gin would never bother her again,

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:35.439
<v Speaker 1>that it had left her body through her hands and feet.

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 1>The journalist was rather shocked that the entire thing was

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<v Speaker 1>so painless. That, explained Yusef, was because he knew what

0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 1>he was doing, which is why he said there were

0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 1>people around the world willing to pay him thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars to help free them of the demons that conventional

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<v Speaker 1>medicine failed at Now, if that seems like a stretch,

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<v Speaker 1>it isn't at all. A two thousand and nineteen piece

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<v Speaker 1>on the Metador Network travel blog, written by Middle East

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<v Speaker 1>culture writer Baxter Jackson, tells the story of a woman

0:29:05.080 --> 0:29:07.520
<v Speaker 1>who traveled all the way from the US to the

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<v Speaker 1>country of Oman in order to take care of her

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:15.200
<v Speaker 1>gin problem. Jackson had years earlier written about a famous

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 1>gin exorcist named mall Lam Salim, who was from and

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<v Speaker 1>lived in Bahla, an oasis town in Oman. But Bahla

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 1>isn't just any old town, though it's made it into

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<v Speaker 1>the National Geographics list of the top ten most haunted

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<v Speaker 1>places in the world, and was also featured in an

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 1>NPR segment for the unusual and unexplainable supernatural things that

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 1>took place there. It's called for good reason, Medina the Alser,

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:46.680
<v Speaker 1>the city of magic, black magic. That is, the stories

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>out of Bahla are endless pillars of fire that erupt

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 1>out of the desert sands spontaneously, crumbling walls that refused

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<v Speaker 1>to be rebuilt, Mosques that fly, which is that take

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<v Speaker 1>off with little girls, and accounts of peop will who

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>look out of a window only to see their own

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>self looking back in and encountering gin that have taken

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 1>on the appearance of a dead loved one. It's not

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 1>a surprise to find men like maure Lum Salim in

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 1>a place run amok with gin. And so when a

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 1>young woman from Boston read Baxter Jackson's piece, she reached

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 1>out to him, saying, I'm an American, I live in Boston,

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:26.760
<v Speaker 1>and I have a gin problem, and I'm not crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>She wanted to see if more Lump Salim could help her,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was willing to fly halfway across the world

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:37.800
<v Speaker 1>to see him, and so Jackson found himself picking her

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<v Speaker 1>up at the airport and escorting her along with another friend,

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<v Speaker 1>to the exorcist's home in Bahala, driving through a dust

0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 1>storm and then right into a fearsome thunderstorm as they

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<v Speaker 1>reached the town, more Lump Salim was a large, imposing figure,

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>but welcoming. They settled in with cups of cardamum coffee

0:30:56.080 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of a room scattered with amulets. The

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 1>exerci carefully opened a massive book filled with rice paper pages,

0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:09.320
<v Speaker 1>each one covered in Arabic scribbles, symbols, and diagrams. Now

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the room was brightly lit with neon tube lights, but

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>suddenly a shadow, dark and defined, raced across the walls

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:22.720
<v Speaker 1>of the room, and incomprehensible whispers filled the air. Everyone gasped.

0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>No one had moved, there was nothing that could have

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 1>created that shadow that clearly flew across the room, and

0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>certainly the whispers had erupted out of nowhere. Suddenly, more

0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:36.960
<v Speaker 1>Lem Salim declared Al Malak as the black Prince of

0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 1>the Gin, that was the gin that the young woman

0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 1>was afflicted with. The exorcist lit some frankincense, had the

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 1>woman lay in the center of the floor and began

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 1>reciting scripture and chanting prayers over her, his hand resting

0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 1>on her forehead. The woman exhaled a deep sigh and

0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 1>a rush of cold air filled the room, and as

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<v Speaker 1>more Lem Salim continued to pray, she suddenly sat upright

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 1>and screamed ferociously as the thunder outside roared. She had

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 1>to be wrestled back unto laying down again by the

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 1>two men witnessing the exorcism, and Muam Salim shook a

0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 1>vial of holy water over her body. She groaned, twisting

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 1>and turning trying to get free from the men, and

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 1>her fingers and toes curled tightly. Another shadow flew across

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:27.840
<v Speaker 1>the wall as Muallem Salim thundered, he who returns over

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 1>and over again, he who whispers evil into the hearts

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:33.120
<v Speaker 1>of men, whether he be from among the Gin or

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 1>men be gone. The storm outside seemed to parallel the

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>climax of the exorcism. Suddenly dying down and Baxter Jackson

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>watched as the young woman's body relaxed and her eyes,

0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 1>which had been rolled back in their sockets, returned to normal.

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<v Speaker 1>They helped her up a bit weak, said their goodbyes

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>to the exorcist, and returned to their car. There, the

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 1>woman said she felt better, lighter, like a weight had

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 1>been lifted from her, but that didn't mean she thought

0:33:01.720 --> 0:33:04.800
<v Speaker 1>she was cured, because before coming to Amman to meet

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 1>maua lump Slim, she had gone to the Uae and

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 1>had an exorcism there with another shake. But according to her,

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:13.960
<v Speaker 1>after the ritual, the Jin had returned with a vengeance,

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>and unfortunately her story didn't end there. The respite she

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.640
<v Speaker 1>got from the Black Prince of the Jin was only temporary,

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:25.760
<v Speaker 1>and eventually she decided to travel to Indonesia to give

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:36.440
<v Speaker 1>yet one more exorcist a try. While the young woman

0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>in this story unfortunately wasn't able to rid herself of

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 1>the Jin that haunted her, she's lucky that the exorcist

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 1>she saw didn't resort to more extreme measures, because in

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 1>the world of gin, exorcism is perfectly acceptable to beat

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 1>a gin out of you. According to the thirteenth century

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 1>theologian Ibnthemia, it's permissible to strike a possessed person as

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<v Speaker 1>many strikes as it took to get rid of the gin,

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 1>because it was the gin who felt the pain of

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 1>the strikes, not the human, who, even Theamia said wouldn't

0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:09.839
<v Speaker 1>feel a thing, and the screams coming from the person

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 1>being beaten, well, no need to be concerned about those either,

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 1>because that was the jin screaming, not the human, which

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 1>means something must have gone very wrong. In the case

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<v Speaker 1>of Abdul Khalam, a forty eight year old Bangladeshi man

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:29.440
<v Speaker 1>who died in February after an exorcism, abduk Alam had

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<v Speaker 1>been acting kind of strange lately, so the family thought

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:35.439
<v Speaker 1>he might be suffering from a gin possession. They took

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:38.799
<v Speaker 1>him to a local exorcist, who, along with his assistance,

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 1>held abdu ke Alam underwater until he nearly drowned, and

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:45.759
<v Speaker 1>then beat him badly to drive the gin out. The

0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:49.920
<v Speaker 1>next day, Galam was found dead, having succumbed to his injuries.

0:34:50.760 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>The exorcist may have driven the gin out, but also

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 1>took Glam's life in the process. Charges were filed against

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 1>the exorcist, but he's not loan and having used possession

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:04.879
<v Speaker 1>as an excuse to physically abuse a person. In fact,

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 1>a social worker in one British community told a reporter

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:11.840
<v Speaker 1>that she had seen numerous times women who, when seeking

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:15.359
<v Speaker 1>help to get out of abusive situations, be silenced by

0:35:15.400 --> 0:35:19.040
<v Speaker 1>others as being possessed, and she had also seen cases

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 1>in which family members or a spouse claiming a woman

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:27.120
<v Speaker 1>was possessed by a gin beat her mercilessly. In other words,

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:30.840
<v Speaker 1>gin possession was used both as an excuse to dismiss

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 1>allegations of abuse, but also as an excuse to actually

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 1>abuse these victims. Unfortunately, the world of gin possession and

0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 1>exorcism is ripe for abuse, and a field like this

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>is also an open invitation to some who take advantage

0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 1>of the desperate, especially because it can pay pretty well.

0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Like most things in life, jin exorcism is commodified. In

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and twelve, the BBC reported a profile of

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<v Speaker 1>an East London exorcist named Abu Mohammed, with a video

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:06.800
<v Speaker 1>showing him performing an actual exorcism. His waiting list is

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 1>many months long, and he charged back then around a

0:36:10.160 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars for a one hour session. Not too steep,

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 1>but not a bad source of income if you're booked

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 1>back to back for months. It's fair to say, though,

0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:20.360
<v Speaker 1>that his prices are on the low end of the

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 1>spectrum when you consider that Mohammad Yowafi, a famed Jordanian exorcist,

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 1>charges an average of three thousand dollars for an exorcism. Once, however,

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 1>he charged an Arab millionaire thirty thousand dollars to cleanse

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:38.920
<v Speaker 1>his palatial residence of a Jin king and the king's

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>entire Jin army, which had apparently taken up residence there.

0:36:43.400 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 1>The millionaire was so happy with the results that he

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:50.719
<v Speaker 1>gifted Yowaffe an expensive watch as an extra bonus. You'll

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 1>find Jin removers and exorcists all over the internet selling

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 1>their services, though traditionally the good ones don't need to advertise.

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 1>They're known by word of mouth, and if anything, they

0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 1>prefer to work as privately as possible. And while some

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.879
<v Speaker 1>may take advantage of people seeking answers, there are plenty

0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:11.640
<v Speaker 1>of them who are actually pretty committed and sincere in

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:14.480
<v Speaker 1>wanting to help. They really believe that there are dark

0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:17.400
<v Speaker 1>forces that attack people, and they believe they can make

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:20.920
<v Speaker 1>a difference, and sometimes they're able to serve an even

0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 1>greater purpose in bringing people together in unexpected ways. Coptic

0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Christians and Muslims have lived side by side for centuries

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 1>in Egypt, and while at times political circumstances have led

0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 1>to not just tension between the communities, but even unfortunately

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:40.800
<v Speaker 1>actual violence. There is one certain space that has managed

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:44.640
<v Speaker 1>to evade such crises, and that is the Church of

0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Father Samaan Ibraheim, one of the very few priests in

0:37:48.920 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 1>all of Egypt who is allowed to perform exorcisms, and

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 1>every week he performs mass exorcisms that draw people from

0:37:56.640 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 1>every walk of life and every faith to him. The

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 1>story of how Father Ibrahim came to this work is

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 1>a legend unto itself. Decades ago, he saw a vision

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:09.160
<v Speaker 1>that inspired him to build a church for the people

0:38:09.560 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 1>who lived by the Kutham Mountain, a place itself connected

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 1>with miracles. That congregation in the nineteen seventies and today

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:21.839
<v Speaker 1>consists of the poorest Christian community in the city, called

0:38:21.840 --> 0:38:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the Zabalein, which literally means garbage people. The Zabalein, nearly

0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 1>all Christian, have for nearly a hundred years now, been

0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:35.479
<v Speaker 1>the city's primary garbage collectors and sorters, entire families making

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:39.600
<v Speaker 1>their living by hauling away, sorting, and recycling mountains of trash,

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:43.879
<v Speaker 1>and their largest community, around thirty thousand of them, live

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:47.360
<v Speaker 1>in what is nicknamed Garbage City at the foot of

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:52.359
<v Speaker 1>the Mautham Mountain, where Father Ibraheim established his church. It's

0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 1>no ordinary church, though. The discovery nine of an incredible

0:38:56.719 --> 0:38:59.879
<v Speaker 1>cave under the mountain, a cave with pillars already made

0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:03.800
<v Speaker 1>to rock, was an answer to the priest's prayers. He

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:06.799
<v Speaker 1>had been looking for an expansive area for worshippers to gather,

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:09.880
<v Speaker 1>but finding no such space in the city crowded with

0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:13.440
<v Speaker 1>people in garbage. This cave was assigned from God to

0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:17.760
<v Speaker 1>gather under the earth itself, and so in that cave

0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:20.719
<v Speaker 1>was built what is now known as the Cave Cathedral,

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<v Speaker 1>and every Thursday night, live streaming online, thousands gather in

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:29.520
<v Speaker 1>the Cave Cathedral, many of whom are Muslim, to get

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 1>Father Ibrahim's help in exercising their demons. Numerous news stories

0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:37.240
<v Speaker 1>have been written about these exorcisms, and in two thousand

0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 1>and fourteen, a vice journalists decided to go witness one

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 1>for himself. He sat through a two hour rather ordinary

0:39:44.160 --> 0:39:48.320
<v Speaker 1>church service, after which spurts of howling rose from different

0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:52.080
<v Speaker 1>parts of the cathedral. Men and women apparently afflicted with

0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:55.800
<v Speaker 1>gin began clawing at the priest, begging for his attention

0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 1>and for a few drops of the holy water that

0:39:58.280 --> 0:40:01.880
<v Speaker 1>he was throwing around. Muslim women with their heads covered

0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:04.279
<v Speaker 1>in hijab, lined up with bottles of water for the

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:07.920
<v Speaker 1>priest to bless them with his own saliva. Others grunted

0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 1>and groaned in the pews, thrashing around until the priest

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:15.280
<v Speaker 1>laid his hands on them. The entire affair lasted about

0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:18.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes, and the journalists who witnessed it didn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>all much impressed. But he asked one woman how she

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<v Speaker 1>felt after it seemed her demon had been banished. She

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<v Speaker 1>told him I feel great, thanks to God. The conclusion

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<v Speaker 1>reached by the journalist was this that we just view

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<v Speaker 1>the problems in our heads differently. Some see them as

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<v Speaker 1>mental or emotional health issues, and others as external forces

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<v Speaker 1>of good or evil. And so a gin exorcism, whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not an actual jin is a problem, or whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not the exorcism itself is real, is just one

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<v Speaker 1>way to bring some comfort to those who seek spiritual catharsis.

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<v Speaker 1>And as for the phenomena of possession itself, well, some

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<v Speaker 1>theorize it's a form of resistance to helplessness, cultural and

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<v Speaker 1>social restrictions, and bad personal situations. It can be a

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<v Speaker 1>pathway of empowerment to women who find spaces to dance

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<v Speaker 1>and smoke and drink and wield spiritual power during exorcism

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<v Speaker 1>rituals when they aren't able to do so anywhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>Or it could be an expression of powerless men unable

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<v Speaker 1>to overcome social expectations. Maybe for some, possession is an

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<v Speaker 1>instrument of expressing despair and anguish, of heartache and pain.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember the mother who was possessed for twelve years by

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<v Speaker 1>the Indian gin named mus Rooney. When the gin was

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<v Speaker 1>questioned about why, having lived inside of her for twelve years,

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<v Speaker 1>did he finally decide to manifest now, the gin told

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<v Speaker 1>the family it wasn't to torment the mother. Far from it.

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<v Speaker 1>He emerged as a lesson to them because they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>treat their mother right. A pretty convenient possession for the mom,

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<v Speaker 1>you could say. But if you're like me, it's still

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<v Speaker 1>hard to dismiss gin possession outright. And that's because you

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<v Speaker 1>can't really pick and choose how far you want to

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<v Speaker 1>go in your supernatural beliefs. Like I've said before, it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like being a little pregnant. Once you're in,

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<v Speaker 1>you're in. Once you believe there's something out there, something

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<v Speaker 1>we can't understand or ever fully know. Where do you

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<v Speaker 1>draw the line. If you believe ghosts, for example, are possible,

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<v Speaker 1>then why aren't fairies and UFOs and angels and demons

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<v Speaker 1>and God and Satan and yes Jin possible? And if

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<v Speaker 1>they're possible, how do you know what they can and

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<v Speaker 1>can't do, what they will and won't do? You don't,

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<v Speaker 1>and neither do I, because no matter how hard we try,

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<v Speaker 1>and believe me, people have been trying for thousands of years,

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<v Speaker 1>will never fully know the world of the Hidden Gin.

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<v Speaker 1>gonna find an amazing series of interviews between me, scholars, experts, artist, historians,

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<v Speaker 1>stories and it was a lot of fun. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you have any Gin stories, well, I'd love to hear

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<v Speaker 1>from you. Email me at the Hidden Gin at gmail

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