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Speaker 1: Welcome to upisode to eighty one. This one's super cool

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Speaker 1: Edwin McCain will be in. Who I gotta be honest

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Speaker 1: then I saw him on TikTok and I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: let me say if I can get him in. He

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Speaker 1: drove in from like two states away. He has that

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Speaker 1: song I'll be You Crying Shoulder, that jam. He got

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Speaker 1: a bunch of hits, but that's a that was the one,

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Speaker 1: really big, massive one that stood the test of time.

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Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that song, how Hoody and the

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Speaker 1: Blowfish change his life. There's also a debate with Eddie

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Speaker 1: and I on cover songs and if they were better

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Speaker 1: than the original, And as always, we start with the

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Speaker 1: new music Top five. All right, here we go. Pentatonics

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Speaker 1: has a new album out called The Lucky Ones. Here's

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Speaker 1: that song by the same title, because easy. Here's the

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Speaker 1: thing about Pentatonics. If you're around anybody that's a little

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Speaker 1: older and they hear Pentatonics, they know them. They'll always

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Speaker 1: go did you know there are any no instruments in that?

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Speaker 1: It's every time when Pentatonics play at number four. Kit

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Speaker 1: More put out Wild World Deluxe. It features a song

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Speaker 1: She's Mine that's out now, and here's a new song,

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Speaker 1: sometimes a Man Guy. Sarah Beth Tate, who is an

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Speaker 1: artist that hey I saw on TikTok, brought her in

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Speaker 1: now she's putting out really really cool music. She has

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Speaker 1: a new song called Hometown Girl. Damn Yeah. Check out

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Speaker 1: Sarabeth take really cool. Number two. Lauren Dusky, who I know.

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Speaker 1: She came out and open for me for a while.

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Speaker 1: She was I think she won the Voice or was

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Speaker 1: second on the Voice one of the two. She has

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Speaker 1: a new song out called I Would for You. And

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Speaker 1: Ryan Heard and Marion Morris have a new duet called

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Speaker 1: Chasing after You But You Want To. Also, as you know,

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift has put out the new updated Love Story.

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Speaker 1: So it didn't make the top five. You already know

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Speaker 1: that anyway, but here's a clip. Be sure to check

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Speaker 1: that out too. And Music News the weekend's music sales

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Speaker 1: are up three hundred and eighty five percent since his

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl halftime performance. He came out with it Can't

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Speaker 1: Fill My Face. I didn't hate the performance. I mean

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Speaker 1: that was my favorite, but people just love to hate

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl performance. That's fine. Bruce Springsteen arresta for

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Speaker 1: a DBI New Jersey. You may have seen this. It's

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Speaker 1: just kind of I just didn't know the law was this.

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Speaker 1: He was on his motorcycle, a fan came up, took

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Speaker 1: a pictures stead of here, take a shot with this,

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Speaker 1: a law. And they said Springsteen was cooperative to the

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Speaker 1: whole process. He had to. He has to be so

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Speaker 1: annoyed because I might imagine he didn't know that was

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Speaker 1: or they did the blood alcohol level which is point

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Speaker 1: he got the d W. I that's crazy. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying he's right or wrong. I just couldn't believe that

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Speaker 1: was the law. Dave Grohl revealed his top three records

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Speaker 1: for homeschool music class. By the Way Dave Girl from

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Speaker 1: food Fighters, Bump Bump, Bump, Bump, and here are his choices.

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Speaker 1: Here you go. You're going to want to get the Beatles.

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Speaker 1: Sergeant Pepperson's one reason is because that album still connects

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Speaker 1: the way it did the day it came out. Now,

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Speaker 1: want to get the A C. D C album Back

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Speaker 1: One of the work. A third album I do like

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Speaker 1: to dance. Let's just go with Saturday Night Fever. Like look,

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Speaker 1: if you put Saturday Night Fever on, it's gonna feel

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Speaker 1: I would have to go with those three albums. There

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Speaker 1: you go, Food Fighters New Records out to Kane Brown

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Speaker 1: good for Kane Brown. And then finally, Justin Bieber is

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Speaker 1: gonna play his whole album on TikTok. He's doing a

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Speaker 1: concert on TikTok for Valentine's Day. He'll play his compilation

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Speaker 1: Journals and Its entirety nine pm Eastern. The concert will

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Speaker 1: re air on his platform on Monday at one pm Eastern.

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Speaker 1: He's excited to bring the show to life. He says,

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Speaker 1: there's your music news. I think you're gonna like this episode.

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Speaker 1: Thank you friends for hanging out and checking in here

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Speaker 1: on the Bobby Cast. All right, that's it, alright with

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Speaker 1: Edward McCain right now. You know, tell you when I

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Speaker 1: was like Edwin, I saved up money may one saved

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Speaker 1: up money. You were playing at wash Staw Baptist University

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Speaker 1: And as I got older and I started to tour

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Speaker 1: here's the thing about Edie and I remember thinking about

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Speaker 1: whole band. Yeah, well it was versatile, you know. We

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Speaker 1: started out by myself busking, so you know that's always

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Speaker 1: busking experience? I used to play on the street in

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Speaker 1: It was just honestly, it was almost like a challenge.

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Speaker 1: It was like, can you are you? Do you have?

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Speaker 1: Are you crazy enough to sit out here and sing

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Speaker 1: I had a guitar teacher, this guy named Tom Yoder,

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Speaker 1: this isn't You don't know what You'll never know what

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Speaker 1: these things, but that's not compelling. What's compelling to people

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Speaker 1: you become the ambassador of possibility. You become what they

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Speaker 1: what else, you guy, It's good to be checked, right.

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Speaker 1: But I respected so much more when I'm done, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like they I just grew a little bit. When

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Speaker 1: I can beat that crowd, when that's my crowd. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just skewing on. Yeah, it's a layout, right, it's

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Speaker 1: I enjoy it more when i'm when when it's danger

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Speaker 1: component of of strategy that had to be employed, or

426
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: you don't really have a career unless you're willing to

427
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: do that, right And I I just I mean I

428
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: had I had. I remember, I used to have uh

429
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: spiral notebooks all the program directors that could potentially play

430
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: my songs, and I would get up at eight o'clock

431
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: every morning and just start calling them. And I had

432
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: notes to the side of the last time I had called,

433
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: whether I actually talked to him, what we talked about,

434
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: or if I just had left a message. And I

435
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: just started banging the phones and I just became you know,

436
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: it was either you're you're either gonna add it or

437
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna be so annoyed with me, will eventually be friends,

438
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: you know, And I still have program director friends to

439
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: this day. They're like, God, you were so obnoxious, but

440
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 1: what do you will and to do? At what point

441
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: did it go from you having to hustle to you

442
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: just holding onto the rocket ship after the Dawson's Creek thing.

443
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 1: It just but it just it was it was in

444
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: but but that was the difference when you know, like

445
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: when they turn on when a major company turns on

446
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: the juice, when they say when they turn on all

447
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: the force and the of the promotional machine they have

448
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: where where all they gotta do is pick up the phone.

449
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: And you're on Leno, and you're on Letterman, and you're

450
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: on every talk show and now you're doing you know,

451
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: anthems for all the major sporting events, and it's you know, yeah,

452
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: you're just hanging on. But then so then the challenges

453
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: And I see this a lot because you've been hand

454
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: to mouth for a decade before this moment, and because

455
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: you've played every single gig that anybody's ever offered you,

456
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: and you don't ever say no. To anything all of

457
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: a sudden, there's no way two two say yes to

458
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: every thing, yet you still try, and you create complete imbalance. Bye.

459
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: And we were I think, I mean at one point,

460
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: at one point, we've been on the road for like

461
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: eleven months or ten months or something, and and they

462
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: didn't even know we were still out, but they were

463
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: paying for a tour bus, and we were like, well,

464
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: we're not turning this back in, and so we would

465
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: play anywhere, and it just got to a point where

466
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: it was it was, it was a total imbalance of life.

467
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: And and I was just twenty something shows. It was crazy.

468
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: It was crazy. I mean it was It was one

469
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 1: of those uh uh you have to live through it

470
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: to learn how to say no. You know, what was

471
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: the stage that you were on. It doesn't be a

472
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: literal stage, but you go because I'm lucky a few

473
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: times in my life I've been able to look around.

474
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: One Seacrests went down and I hosted American Idol. Right,

475
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: I work on the show. But Seacrests went down and

476
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 1: he's the only let me too host of that show ever.

477
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: And they were like, hey, we need you to host,

478
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: and I don't have a lot of moments where I

479
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: can look at myself and go, hey, this is a

480
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: really big this is cool. But I'm under the American

481
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: idol Moniker, which is about as big as of a

482
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: brand of a TV show that's existed in the States,

483
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, huh, can I believe this? I'm hosting

484
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: this freaking show. Like for you, what was one of

485
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: those moments where You're like, geez man, I'm the guy

486
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: busting in South Carolina and now here I am doing

487
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: what I mean almost every single day still even now,

488
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: like I'm like, I'm I can't believe I'm I get

489
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: to do what I do even now, like I'm sitting here,

490
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: like honestly, I was telling a friends driving here. I

491
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: was like, I have no idea why Bobby is bringing

492
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: me to Nashville to do it. I'm like, what I know,

493
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: I am the least relevant person in this. In this

494
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: to you right now, here's why, and then I'll have

495
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: you finished answering that question. One, I was always a

496
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: big fan, Like, first and foremost, like I did not

497
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: have money and I saved up and bought tickets to

498
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: your show, right, So for me, I was a fan. Secondly,

499
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: I watched on TikTok, and so it was. It was

500
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: the two worlds colliding. And I was talking about producer

501
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, you knew i'd really like to

502
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: have up here. It looks like just a really interesting

503
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: guy to be around is Edland McCain. And he was

504
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: like yeah, I said, yeah, I don't think. I think

505
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: he still lives in South Carolina, and that that is

506
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: the genesis of me being a fan and then watching

507
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: you now and here you are. It's it's it's incredible

508
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: and it's amazing. But if i'm if, I'm going back

509
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: to a point where I couldn't believe. Uh. I played

510
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: a show with Ray Charles and you know, Michael McDonald

511
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: and and I was just being included in these moments

512
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: where I was like if I just kept waiting for

513
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: the guys in suits to show up and go, look, man,

514
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: this is there's been a huge mistake here. Did you

515
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: ever feel like you did not have the talent though,

516
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: to be included every day of every day in my life,

517
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: I think I don't I have I have those voices

518
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: in my head, God, I have those voices in my head.

519
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: They're like, dude, you are the biggest used car salesman

520
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: um and and I I'm I'm not. I have those

521
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: voices that scream at me. But I love singing and

522
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: playing for people, and I love the emotion and I

523
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: love the I love that moment when a crowd becomes

524
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: the the completion of the art. You know that that something,

525
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: something personal to me has gotten to a moment where

526
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: an audience understands and you can't. There's no there's no

527
00:30:54,200 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: amount of money or fame or or accolades it that'd

528
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: come me even close to touching that. And and so

529
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: I found that even before the Atlantic stuff, and and

530
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: and I still mercifully get to have that in these

531
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: little venues that I play to this day. And I'm

532
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm fiercely protective of it, to the point where I

533
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: don't play as many shows as I could because I

534
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't ever want to jeopardize my opportunity

535
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: to go out there and play it. I will sit

536
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: in an excavator and dig dirt for half the year

537
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: just so that I can play my seventy shows that

538
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: are beautiful and special, you know what I'm saying, Like,

539
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: that's that's more important to me at this moment um.

540
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: And plus I love being home with my kids. And

541
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how else to describe it.

542
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: I mean, and I had gotten to a point and

543
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna you know totally, I got into a point

544
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: where I was resenting going on stage because we were

545
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: playing so much and so much, so many, so many.

546
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't it was just it was turning into have

547
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: to and there was it was all about money and everybody.

548
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: You know, there were a lot of people that that

549
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: rely on you. When you get to a certain when

550
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: you start to earn a certain amount of money, everybody

551
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: thinks it's all going to you. But it's not going

552
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: to you. There's thirty people that are making a living

553
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: on the money that you're generating. And if and and

554
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: they don't that. It's not in their interests to help

555
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: you have balance. It's it's let's how many shows can

556
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: we play? How many? Um and and so that was

557
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: sort of a I had. I kind of had to

558
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: have a I mean that in in my personal life,

559
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 1: I had to have a there was a reckoning. There

560
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: was a moment and two thousand and seven where I

561
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: just my life was completely out of out of balance

562
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: and out of hand and I had to throw up

563
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: my hands and and you know, say help and go

564
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: to rehab and and get my you know, start all

565
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: over again. I guess, you know. And that's that was

566
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: the if. And I and I talked to a lot

567
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,239
Speaker 1: of people in recovery. You know, I try to help

568
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: as much as I can, you know, get help people

569
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: into recovery because of that, that experience, you know, and

570
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: people don't know it naturally know how to create balance

571
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: in their life, you know, it's we We know how

572
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: to create momentum. Momentum. Man, we can get going fast.

573
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: Everybody knows how to create momentum, but balance is something

574
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: that you have to be taught. It is such an

575
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: opportune time for you to come and have this conversation

576
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: because I know you're talking to a microphone, but I

577
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: feel like you're talking to me without even knowing it.

578
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: I'll tell you in my personal life, even just yesterday

579
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: my fiance and I were talking, I've had to hustle

580
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: every freaking second to get here. I mean, just kill myself.

581
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: And now, for the first time in my life, people

582
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: start to think I'm cool and they're offering me jobs.

583
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: And I got this TV show that too and I

584
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: can't turn anything down because I'm afraid that if I

585
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: turned it down, I'm never gonna get another offer again

586
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: the rest of my life. And you go to yourself,

587
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: Am I really gonna sit here this weekend and know

588
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: that I've got some thirty five thousand dollar appearance that

589
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go do And I'm gonna be able

590
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: to sit here and enjoy my weekend knowing that I'm

591
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: leaving this huge payday on the table like that, like

592
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: that was That's a real thing. And I know, I

593
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: mean people, I can hear people out there going way,

594
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: you know, I can hear them out there saying why.

595
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: But I promise you that, uh it took a It

596
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: took this seventy year old guys friend of mine, he's

597
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: my oldest non related friends, got named the Mole. And

598
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: the mole said to me, he pulled me aside one time.

599
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: He goes, look while your kids are little, and why

600
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: you have a good life going right now? Those gigs

601
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: are always gonna be there. You know that golf course

602
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: always be there. That you know, you know, be home

603
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: and and and be a part of the special parts

604
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: of your life. And I and for some reason, that

605
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: just that hit hard enough for me to to you know,

606
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: I took it to heart and and just rearranged how

607
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: I do things now. I say that, but it takes

608
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: years to be able to dial it down a little bit,

609
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: because you can't just go okay today, right, You just

610
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: have to incrementally dial it down and start to just

611
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: gently put the boundaries out there for people so that

612
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: you can have balance, because otherwise you're no good to anybody,

613
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: especially yourself. Like man, I know, for me, I was,

614
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: I was useless by the time I hit the I

615
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: hit the wall, I was, I was suicidal, and and

616
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: I was done. I was done. I was done with life.

617
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 1: And it didn't I had a lot of money, So

618
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: that did that, wasn't it? You know? It was? It

619
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 1: comes down to, and I say this all the time,

620
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: the currency in this life is the relationships that you have,

621
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: the friendships that you're blessed to be a part of,

622
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: and and the opportunity that you're given to be someone

623
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: that somebody else can count on. Are you some I

624
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: gotta say this to my kids all the time. Are you?

625
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: Are you somebody that other people can count on, that

626
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: they can rely on? And that's the thing. That's it.

627
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it. That's all there is. The rest

628
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: of it is fireworks. You still love playing, uh more

629
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: than anything. I love it. I love it more now

630
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: than I ever did. Um. But it took me. It

631
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: took it took I had to go touch the I

632
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: had to go touch the flame. Now, don't get me wrong.

633
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: This this is the thing. This is just me because

634
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people that are super great

635
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: at being famous, and they love it and they love

636
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: the the whole thing, and and uh, I'm just I

637
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: just wasn't one of them. I just wasn't good at it.

638
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: I gotta imagine you get a lot of request for weddings.

639
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: I mean some sometimes, I mean I get I've done

640
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: a lot of weddings. I actually I've Yes. Sorry answering,

641
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 1: let me make a thousand word answer out of one,

642
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: give me let me answer. Yes. You have a song

643
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 1: that has heck. I saw Justin Bieber singing this song

644
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: when he was everybody for a minute, everybody was blaming me.

645
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, he sang the song. Everybody loves it.

646
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: What are you talking everybody? It's a universe personally love song,

647
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: and it is a universal love song I see in movies,

648
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: TV shows. You ever just go grocery shopping and you're like,

649
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: what the craph in my hands? Dude? Home depot every

650
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: time I walk in home depot. And the best part

651
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: about is always make a scene if my kids are

652
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: in there. I'm like kids and I'll accidentally knock stuff

653
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: over and go, I'm sorry. I was listening to all

654
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: some songs and I could kids. Listen, Litsten, this song

655
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: is gonna pay for want of you to go to

656
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: college and you wrote this by yourself. Yeah, so I

657
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: gotta imagine the checks are still coming in publishing now

658
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: they do, but but you know it's that yes, but

659
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: I don't you know what I mean that that money helps. No,

660
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: listen to a lot of good stuff. This is a

661
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 1: this is a very in the Weeds Music Interview podet,

662
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: we have publishers come on, so like a lot of

663
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: people that work in the music industry, listen to this

664
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: for those exact type of questions, not look how rich

665
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: I am. But it's like, if you write a song

666
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: that sustains at different levels, you can continue to make

667
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: money off of it, right, And and yes you absolutely can't.

668
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: And what's interesting is that, and I really have not

669
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: been a very good, uh custodian of my publishing catalog

670
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: because like during the pandemic, I was like, maybe we

671
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: ought to try to like go back and look at

672
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: all the stacks of paperwork here and figure out if

673
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: any of this crap means stuff. It's like, oh, look, Malaysia,

674
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: you know, are we supposed to be getting money from

675
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: Koala lampour? Because I think maybe that's a thing. And

676
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: uh yeah, My I have a friend of mine and

677
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: who's a who's now helping me. He's a music business attorney.

678
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: He's really great and he's like he called me the

679
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: other day he's like, respectfully, you're an idiot, you know that, right?

680
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 1: You know you're out there like doing forestry mulching for

681
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: people in the swamp, yet you're publishing catalog is in

682
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: complete disarray. And I'm like, well, that's your job. You're

683
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: supposed to fix that for me. So yeah, that's I

684
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: am not. I'm not one of those guys. I just like,

685
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: if you want to put me into a coma, please

686
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: just put a spreadsheet in front of me and tell

687
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: me that it matters. And I'm instantly asleep. So yeah,

688
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: I should care more than I do. Let me play

689
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: a few of these, give us a clip of Abby.

690
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: Everybody knows, let's remind them again. Can you still hit

691
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: those notes like that? Yeah? You know it's funny. Yes

692
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: I can. And every night though, when I'm singing the

693
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: high note, I always go freaking twenty five year old me,

694
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: jackass man, we want to put it in the Kia.

695
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: Be your dumb ass like that won't be hard to

696
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: sing when you're fifty one? Do you ever? Do you ever?

697
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: Can't drop it a half step? Sax players? Sax players

698
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: don't like it when you throw a kpo on or

699
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: drop it a half step. And he's been playing with

700
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: me for thirty years, so he's and he's our tour manager.

701
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 1: So if I did that to him, then I would

702
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: end up sleeping in the conference room on the cot

703
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: every night, you know, in the hotels. Actually I'm not,

704
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm lying. This is how cheap we are. He and

705
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: I share a room when we're on top to this day,

706
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: thirty years we've been playing together. But I have the

707
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: same mostly the same band and crew I've had for

708
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: this entire time, which, in and loyalty is kind of expensive.

709
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: But I stand by it. I think, you know what,

710
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: what's the best story, man? We we started this journey

711
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,479
Speaker 1: together thirty years and because of what we did, we

712
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: all have, we all pay our rent and eating you know. Cool,

713
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: that's a cool story. We started out in a van

714
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: that I bought in Atlanta for five hundred dollars. I

715
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: put a fifteen hundred dollar stereo in it, and thirty

716
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: years later, look, look where we are still playing music.

717
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: I could not ask for more. Hit it hard, my

718
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: good boy. Come on, yeah, there was before auto tune

719
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: to you, jack Ash and everything sounds so perfect. Everybody

720
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: sounds perfect. How many times would you have to sing

721
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: those singing down? Could you walk in and singing down

722
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: and then walk out? I want to I'm gonna you know,

723
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna flex a little bit here. I wish I

724
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: could get an old golden on the phone our engineer

725
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,479
Speaker 1: for him to tell you that I would. I could

726
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: walk in and to take it, you know, to take

727
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: and and and really, if you don't get it in

728
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: the first couple of takes, you need to leave because

729
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: by the third or fourth take, man, you're just reading

730
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: a Hallmark card. It's not there. You're not there. And

731
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: and plus back then tore back then, tape was expensive.

732
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: You know, there was reels the tape man. Every time

733
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: you burn the real a tape, I was like five

734
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: hundred bucks. So you get you know, when that red

735
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: light came on, you better have your ship together because

736
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: this is expensive, you know. And uh, we were. I

737
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: think back to that. I used to play ten shows

738
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: a week in Hilton Head, uh. And then I had

739
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: this old, that old van, and I had had a

740
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: love seat that I bought from Goodwill in the back

741
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: of it and I slept it on the slept in

742
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: this van. But I'd play my ten shows and I'd

743
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: get all the money from my shows and then I

744
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: drive to Augusta, Georgia and sleep in my van in

745
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: the parking lot and then walk in with my little

746
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: bag of money and give it to Howard Warmeth um

747
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: uh at Studio South and uh and he would we

748
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: would record a song, you know. I would just basically

749
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: walk in deliver all the money. And then we made

750
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: my you know, an independent record, um guys, and just

751
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: it's it's unlistenable now, but it's like I just thought

752
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: it was so great and uh. And but then you know,

753
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: we did stuff on that record, Like I didn't know

754
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: I shouldn't bring a whole choir in and do a

755
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: whole song with him like I I would do. I

756
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: was doing stuff when I was eighteen that I just

757
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I wasn't supposed to do that, right

758
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 1: and and uh but that was it. That was it,

759
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: and it was just figure it out, you know, figure

760
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: out how we're gonna do it. Let me play some

761
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: of hearts Fall. Yeah, you still sing all these I don't.

762
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I haven't sung that one, um, but but

763
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: I do. I have been during the pandemic. People have

764
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: been getting me to play all these old songs and

765
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: I have to go to YouTube and find some guy

766
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: in Poland that will show me how to play my song.

767
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: You know. Uh actually had somebody send me a YouTube

768
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: clip of this dude from Poland playing one of our

769
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: songs called Promise You, and I'm watching the dude play it,

770
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: and I was like, that is a way better way

771
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: of playing this song than the way I play it.

772
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: So now I do it his way. You know, the

773
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: internet it teaches me everything. Um, I play. I play

774
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: a lot of the those songs that they come in rotation.

775
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: There's like a core group of songs. I know that

776
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: my audience is going to want to hear solitude for sure.

777
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: It comes that one comes and goes. Um, you know,

778
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: I was thinking actually when I first got here, Uh,

779
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: when Patty Griffin released this album called Living with Ghosts,

780
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: I became completely enamored with her because that album is ridiculous.

781
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: It's so fantastic, the songwriting and her singing and everything

782
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: about her right and so at the time, we were

783
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: doing really well and I just sent the word. I

784
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: was like, any tour date she wants, she should be

785
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: able to have so and not thinking at all that

786
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, she probably isn't gonna want to play the

787
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: NASCAR barbecue beer slide that we're playing, because like I

788
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: would play anywhere, I would play any place on Earth.

789
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: And then here's like sweet Patty, and we took her.

790
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: We dragged her around all these horrible gigs, and um,

791
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: I got it to see her, I don't know, a

792
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and I got to at least

793
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: apologize to her for all these insane gigs we dragged

794
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: her to back in the day. Uh. God, I was

795
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: so in love and I still am. I mean, I

796
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: think and It's one of those things. And I said

797
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: to people at the time when I heard her first record,

798
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: I said, this is this will This is undeniable. You watch.

799
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: I don't care how long it takes this. This girl

800
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: is going to be considered in in terms of the

801
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: all time grades. Some people like, what are you talking about? Man?

802
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: I was like, trust me, you can't. This is undeniable

803
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: right here. You can't stop the real thing. And uh

804
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: And I love being right like that too, right, I

805
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: get it to go back and rub everybody's nose in it,

806
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: because so so amazing, so amazing. We've we've been here

807
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: before you five minutes. This has been exciting for me

808
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: to be able to do. I'm just a fan. I

809
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: was a fan, and then when I saw you again

810
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: on TikTok, I was like, we gotta get him back

811
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: up here. Everybody followed, I don't. On TikTok, he sits

812
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: in his room, he plays the I guess the first

813
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: one that I saw that was you doing the dude.

814
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: They're like the duets where people hop on and do

815
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: it with you and sing the other side of it,

816
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: and you know whose idea that was. My friend Mike

817
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: Karado is just retired from the Marine Corps. He hit

818
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: me up and he's like, dude, you need to do

819
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: this thing on TikTok where you do at it. And

820
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: I was okay because I didn't know any better, and

821
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: and it just went crazy. And then Brittany and the

822
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: whole Brittany Moore thing, Brittany Moore, who is a really

823
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: good singer who I saw that song, well, I saw

824
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: your challenge and I saw her come on and sing

825
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: Jesus and Janie and I was like, well, that song

826
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: is fantastic because this that speaks to me and and

827
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: uh yeah, and the whole TikTok thing. What I love

828
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: about is how you know, people are just trying to

829
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 1: figure it out right, and there's a lot of people,

830
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a there's a bunch of static on

831
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: there too, but there's a lot of people that are

832
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: authentically trying to understand each other and they're trying to

833
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: be helpful, and there's a lot of really funny people.

834
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: It's the best one for funny content. And I can

835
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: sit and watch forever and laugh. Yeah, and just I

836
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: mean that's one of my that Before that, I guess

837
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: my TikTok was comments sections of any YouTube video like there.

838
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: I mean, people are funny, man, I mean that is

839
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: one of the things like I hold like the great

840
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: hope in humanity in the just ridiculously funny nature. People

841
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: are hysterical, They're great. Well, thank you. I know we're

842
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: gonna do something too on the radio show. We're gonna play.

843
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: So I appreciate you, you know, coming up and entertaining

844
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: a fan. That's what this this is for me. So

845
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: I'm very honored. Thanks for spending close to an hour

846
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: with me here and then I can't wait to hear

847
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: you perform. And I'll have to pay for a ticket

848
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: and send them back this time, like I said, up

849
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: for free. It's like the opposite from when I was

850
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: a kid. And when I was a kid, I was broke.

851
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: I had to save up for a ticket and sending

852
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: them back. Now I'm broke, I'm sitting up front and

853
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 1: I got a free ticket. That's awesome, all right, Edward McCain,

854
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: you gotta go following on TikTok, follow him everywhere. Good

855
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 1: to talk to you, Thank you, thank you. I saw

856
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: this list on Whiskey Riff. It's a list of songs

857
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: that are better than the original which is what they say.

858
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: What I'm gonna do is play them both and we'll

859
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: be the judge that. Okay, so the debate is the

860
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,479
Speaker 1: original versus a new one. It's gonna be hard because

861
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: usually you just go with the original because it's the

862
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: first thing you heard, so you base everything on that. Okay,

863
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 1: let's start. Nine Inch Nails had Hurt, Okay, I got

864
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: this is here you go, And later it was recorded

865
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: and to critical acclaim by Johnny Cash. And here's Johnny

866
00:49:54,160 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: Cash doing Hurt but the sweetest trip. I actually can

867
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: understand what's being said in the Johnny Cash version. But

868
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: I would think, if you're a die hard Nine inch

869
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: Nails fan, you hate the Johnny Cash version. Yeah, I

870
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: would think that. But I gotta tell you, man, like

871
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: you already got me run the first one. I was like,

872
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: there's no way I'm gonna like the second version. But

873
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: when I heard Johnny Cash sing this song, I loved it.

874
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: Oddly made sense right, Yes, he was older, and I

875
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: think they released around the time either he died or

876
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: maybe right after he died. So, man, it was very

877
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: emotional when this song came out. There was a whole

878
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: thing where Trent Resiner who's the lead singer, said, Hey,

879
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: that song not even mine anymore, like even he loved that,

880
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: said that that's that's Johnny cash now man. Pretty cool.

881
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 1: All right, how about this, let's go back to here's

882
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: a song called Summertime Blues by Eddie Cochrane. Sometimes, but

883
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: I'm a collet, dude, but he no thetime, No, no, no no,

884
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: you're saying the other one. Alan Jackson, Yeah, here you go.

885
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes I don't wonder I'm no cure for the Summertime

886
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: Blue covered a song from Ye It's hard not listen.

887
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: We know some these people. It's hard not to pick

888
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: them in these songs personified the age that we grew up.

889
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 1: But I'm picking Eddie Cochrane. Yeah, me too, dude. And

890
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: because the La Bamba this came out in the movie LaBamba,

891
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: Richie Allens was playing with Eddie Cochrane. It's a it's

892
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 1: a scene in the movie. And when I bought the

893
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 1: soundtrack to La Bamba, this was in then in the soundtrack.

894
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: I think the version I knew though, was Brian Seltz

895
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: Bran Sets Orchestra Orchestra covering Eddie croc Cochrane. But it

896
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: made me find this music and I love the original. Yeah,

897
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: I love it too. Listen, I love that Alan Jackson

898
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: version if I'm gonna listen to it myself more. But

899
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: I think that's such a cool song, and a lot

900
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: of people don't even know that that's a cover that

901
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: Alan Jackson did. All right, how by this, I'm gonna

902
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: play you George Jones, also Kenny Rodgers cut it. Here's

903
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: Old Red somebody, why don't you run? Get mye my

904
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: God Rado, Happy Dread, v the Morning Come? And here's

905
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: Blake Shelton and the Root. Somebody, don't you rentition a

906
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: little firm to take George Jones or Blake Shelton. I

907
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: want to apologize for this one. Man, I had no

908
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: idea George Jones saying this. So this Blake's the only

909
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: one I've ever heard. That's the first time I've heard

910
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: George Jones sing that. So I have to go Blake

911
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: just for that reason. Yeah, I go George Jones. Like

912
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: I feel the fear. Yeah, Like play the George version again. Somebody,

913
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: why don't you run? Get my my God, Rado, Happy

914
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: Dread the Moon? I feel a look grittier too? Is

915
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: both good? How about McBride and the Ride, which, by

916
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: the way, the song was written by John Richard Big

917
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: and Rich and two thousand one, McBride and the Ride

918
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: had Amarillo Sky. He just takes tract another round sounds,

919
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: so that's two thousand two. Then Al Deane put it

920
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 1: out in two thousand six. He just takes a tractor

921
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: another round across the sands of taking McBride the Ride,

922
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 1: the original or Al Deane absolutely McBride and the Ride too. Yeah,

923
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: it's so good that definitely, the nighty sound of it.

924
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: I go with that one. Yeah, I mean too, you know.

925
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: And also when like a big label gets it, it it

926
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: kind of pops it up a little bit too, and

927
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: it's so supermascus option. But I like the original version.

928
00:53:58,120 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: I think Al Deane would agree with that too. Then

929
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: night the lights went out in Georgia. Here is Vicky Lawrence.

930
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: Here you go. That's song with number one in nineteen

931
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: seventy three. By the way, Vicky Lawrence plays mom and

932
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: Mom's family um. And later on here's Reba doing it.

933
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: And I talked to Reba about this song before and

934
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: she's like, man, I'm just so lucky that Vicky cut

935
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: and it was so good and let me actually jump

936
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: off of it, and I still go Reba. Yeah, me too.

937
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 1: I think this one Reba outdid it because I mean,

938
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: she's the passion in her voice when she sings that,

939
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: you can feel it. Yeah, I go Reba, but barely.

940
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: It's also hard to compare songs. It didn't have the resources,

941
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: the recording resources. Three didn't have the same kind of

942
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: studios they did in you know, nineties. I don't know though,

943
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: man Vicky's version. You can hear a little xylophone in

944
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,959
Speaker 1: it at playing it while she's singing the whole different

945
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: world back dressed his mo. Okay, how about this? Did

946
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: you know Colin Baton rouge? Is it cover? Stop it? No?

947
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: And whatever you're about to play, I've never heard this.

948
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:11,959
Speaker 1: Let me play the original version by the oak Ridge Boys.

949
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: Get Sam a low down about come on, let me

950
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: talk to about one more time. Oh yeah, I love

951
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: that versions. I've never heard them before in my life.

952
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 1: Here is Garth Brooks obviously through the loose. I can't

953
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: pick against Garth versus Colt so good, but I gotta

954
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 1: go Garth. Sorry, boys. How about three B W. Stevens

955
00:55:51,800 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: and put out a song called My Maria. It made

956
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: the top ten of the pop charts. My Maria, I

957
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: didn't know. I didn't know that there was that successful

958
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: Turn it up a little bit. This is a jam version.

959
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: It's Brooks and Done almost took it exactly. That's what

960
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. Let's hear you get all right,

961
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: here's Brooks and Dunne. I'm gonna go b W. Stevenson,

962
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: you are just because it's a jam, not just the jam.

963
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: Brooks and Dunn just did what they did just a

964
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 1: little better. They didn't. By the way, it's hard for

965
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: me to say this, because I love Brooklyn dun and

966
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: I think they would agree to. They basically just did

967
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: that song better. They didn't copy switches of it. And

968
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: Ronnie sings better than he does Ronnie Dune does Ronnie

969
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: the original almost sounds like Ronnie a little bit. It

970
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: sounds like Ronnie's and it's singing his iPhone. Yeah. So

971
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Brooks and Done though, just because that's

972
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: the one I knew. And then finally, you know, Chris

973
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 1: Stapleton did Tennessee Whiskey. But here you go, let's do

974
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 1: David Allenko and George Jones. Here you go up first, first,

975
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: smooth Tennessee. That's David alan Coo. And here's George Jones

976
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: yours it's Tennessee Whiskey. And here's Chris Stapleton. Rest you

977
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: gotta pick one of the three. I do, and it's

978
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: Chris Stapleton because the other two sound like it's on

979
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: easy listening stations. I mean, yeah, now you would hear

980
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: that there's so much soul in the Chris Stapleton version,

981
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: But don't you think that's part of the smooth I

982
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: like that smoothness of George Jones. Let me George Jones

983
00:57:53,320 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: in the SECD one yours it's Tennessee wish I could

984
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: just hear. I'm saying, guys, we need to make this

985
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: sound smooth, and they did. It's good. It's real good.

986
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna go with Stapleton on this one. I'm

987
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: gonna go David Allenko because his voice to me, the

988
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: first one, Yes, the first one. You play that one again,

989
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: please gosh swish, Oh dude. I love David alanco and

990
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: his voice to me just brings back so many memories.

991
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: Which one you going? I'm going David Alankolchrist Stapleton. That's great.

992
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: I love that there's three out of this one to pick.

993
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: Check out Eddie's sports podcast, Tell Me about that Me

994
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: lunchbox in Ray, we do a sports podcast called The

995
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: Sore Losers. We talk sports, but we also talk a

996
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: lot about our lives and we're trying to get more

997
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: guests on. Now we have Taylor little One from the

998
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: Titans on this week. Pretty cool get and uh it

999
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: just goes up from here, dude, We got next, probably

1000
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: Joe Montana, Emmett Smith, Troy You're lying now, Okay, now

1001
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm lying, But good to have dreams. Those are our goals.

1002
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: Eventually someday check out The Sore Losers. Thank you very much,