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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal. Ull that for me, I'm

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Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 1: for a day? Edith State?

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Speaker 2: Is that? Whoo whoo?

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Speaker 1: And then and tie Dan Rubinstein.

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Speaker 2: We have three count them, three college football playoff quarterfinals

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Speaker 1: We aren't able to respond to all of them.

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Speaker 2: Given circumstances, which we will discuss here momentarily, but we

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Speaker 2: decided we would hit the goal live button and talk

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Speaker 2: through the three games that.

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Speaker 1: Are in the books.

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Speaker 2: At time of recording, we have three teams that are

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Speaker 2: moving through to the college football playoff semifinals. Penn State

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Speaker 2: won the Fiesta Bowl on New Year's Eve, Texas One,

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Speaker 2: an overtime thriller against all odds. Earlier today against Arizona State,

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Speaker 2: and you and I just did a long stream watching. Yes,

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Speaker 2: your Oregon Ducks lose their first game of the season,

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Speaker 2: forty one to twenty one to the Ohio State Buckeye.

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Speaker 1: Sir, how are you happy? New Year? I've been better

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Speaker 1: as a college football person, but as a co host

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Speaker 1: of the Solid Verbal and a handsome tan thirty one

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Speaker 1: year old do them great?

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Speaker 2: Ty?

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Speaker 1: How can you complain life is all right? Here's the deal.

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Speaker 2: As I said, we had intended on reacting to all

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Speaker 2: four of the college football playoff quarterfinal matchups, but given

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Speaker 2: circumstances down in New Orleans, they weren't unable to play.

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Speaker 2: The Sugar bowls been postponed until Thursday, January the second,

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Speaker 2: at four pm Eastern time. Thoughts go out to all

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Speaker 2: affected by the horrific acts. An awful act of terror

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Speaker 1: It's horrible.

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Speaker 2: So to all effected, whether they're our listeners or just

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Speaker 2: what have you really sad to see that news? Hope

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Speaker 2: all are okay. We will do our best to cover

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Speaker 2: thinking of all who are affected here. It's just one

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Speaker 2: of those deals that we wish you didn't.

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Speaker 1: Have to talk about here.

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Speaker 2: So with that being said, we will be doing a

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Speaker 2: live stream during the Sugar Bowl, just as we did

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Speaker 2: during the Rose Bowl. That's going to start four pm.

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Speaker 2: Eastern time as well the game on Thursday. You can

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Speaker 2: the next round in a bit of context, do our

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Speaker 1: Yere so that we're recording right now? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Does that all sound right to you?

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Speaker 1: All? Good bye me. With that being said, we do have.

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Speaker 2: Three games that we can discuss, those being the Fiesta Bowl,

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Speaker 1: With just concluded a few moments.

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Speaker 2: Ago, Dan, we have Penn State, we have Texas. We

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Speaker 1: I think people are done talking Ohio State Oregon stuff.

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Speaker 2: Right, let's talk about that Ohio State orgon game show.

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Speaker 1: Guests, who just got fited? What happened?

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Speaker 2: What happened to your Oregon Ducks who beat the Ohio

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Speaker 2: we came into this one. I picked Ohio State again.

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Speaker 1: It is Holy hell.

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Speaker 2: Does Ohio State look so much better than they did

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Speaker 1: Holy hell. If this is the version.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe what I just saw with my own eyes.

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Speaker 2: That's how good they looked, and how good Jeremiah Smith

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Speaker 1: Also, Holy hell. Great decision by Jeremiah Smith not to

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Speaker 2: It was a long afternoon for you. It's all good.

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Speaker 1: But once an Oregon historian, always an Oregon historian. Okay.

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Speaker 1: that a good word? Sure? Capture, confuse, corral, Right, you

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Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl was something to behold. That Oregon was

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Speaker 1: Ohio State looked like a machine. Oregon looked like a team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not even right to say this

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Speaker 2: The team looks like a completely different team than the

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Speaker 1: I mean it's like night and day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like they're well beyond that. You are right.

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Speaker 2: They completely dominated Oregon in this matchup. But I'm not

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Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't not a game planning thing, but that

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Speaker 2: I was blown away by this performance. It remains maybe

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Speaker 2: Forty one to twenty one is your final. Ohio State

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Speaker 2: Texas thirty nine, Arizona State thirty one in double overtime,

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Speaker 1: Dan cam Skataboo was so good that you could hold

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Speaker 2: So this is a series late in the game, Arizona

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Speaker 1: Yes, with what they got about ninety seconds left. Ninety

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Speaker 1: I think it was just like after a further review,

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Speaker 1: there is no man, they didn't go through the details.

438
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if there was like a pool reporter

439
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: situation after the fact. Didn't see that because we were

440
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 1: starting our rose ball. We've been streaming for five hours

441
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: now too. Yeah, So I guess that's TBD anxious, eager

442
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: to read whatever there is to read if there's some

443
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 1: sort of explanation. But I guess I agree with Kenny Dillingham.

444
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: I must just not know what.

445
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 2: It is they're driving. We felt it should have been targeting.

446
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: They didn't get it. They end up punting. This one

447
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: eventually goes to overtime. Texas emerges victorious.

448
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: We had a doinked field goal attempt in there for

449
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 1: the win as well.

450
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 2: Burt Auburn lines up for the field goal.

451
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: Doinks it?

452
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: Yep, he had missed another one earlier in the day.

453
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 2: Burt Auburn, veteran kicker for Texas usually automatic, missed two

454
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: field goals. I guess my bigger question for you, then,

455
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: is is this a story about Arizona State trying to

456
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 2: be Cinderella mounting a feverish comeback damn near winning on

457
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 2: the back of Cam Skataboo, who did achieve full Caro

458
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: status in this game if you hadn't previously.

459
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah he had and continues it yeah.

460
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: Or is this more story of Hey, Texas almost gave

461
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: this one away and it felt like they had Arizona

462
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 2: State dead to rights.

463
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: I just feel like we've seen this from Texas before,

464
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: in these big games, in these medium sized games, in

465
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: these games in which they seemingly are able to jump

466
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: out to a lead that if they can continue to

467
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: build upon, it's just a no cond Like, it's just

468
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: no problem for Texas and they're not that team. That's

469
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, when we talk about winning as a skill,

470
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 1: it's also just like building on your lead is a skill.

471
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: Figuring out the rhythm of the game to adjust to

472
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 1: a team and you know, deal with things fluidly is

473
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: a skill. And for all the talk of like Steve

474
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: Sarkisian's the best play caller in the sportlah blah blah,

475
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: like we've seen this from Texas this year, other years

476
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: where they build up an interesting not interesting, they build

477
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: up a comfortable lead. It looks like they have figured

478
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: out a team immediately and the way that we just

479
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: talked about Ohio State and then there's just breaks to

480
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: this Texas offense. And Quinn Ewrs probably has the best

481
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 1: arm in the sport in terms of like the best

482
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: pure ability to throw a downfield ball to a player's fingernails.

483
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: Nobody does it like him when he is at his best.

484
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: His ceiling is incredible as a downfield thrower, and he

485
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: made some of those throws today. But you get him

486
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: a little bit uncomfortable, and he does that the happy feet,

487
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: the like start to scramble, stop scramble, throw it as

488
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: he's stopping. Like the ability to improvise disappears after like

489
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: a quarter and a half with Quinn yours, and I'm

490
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: not sure what that is. And it's kind of like

491
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: has seemed to be that for the past three years.

492
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 1: At his best, he's incredible. But then like have him

493
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: seeing thhos, have him like have to scramble outside of

494
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: the pocket to make a play or have them like

495
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: try to run into the pocket to it's not there.

496
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: That skill is not there, and when you have a

497
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: lead like Texas has, there has to be that element

498
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, what are we going to do creatively

499
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: in the run game to eat a little bit of

500
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: clock to keep this defense feeling tired and on the field.

501
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what what was whatever? The final number

502
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: was minus sack yardage. Arizona State was in every gap,

503
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: was in every lane they threw. We talked about this

504
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: kitchen sink. Every single creative blitz they had, every run blitz,

505
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: every every gap there was an answer for. And Texas

506
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: was just not prepared to have a winning rushing game

507
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: plan against ASU, which was very weird after what we

508
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: saw against Texas A and M, what we saw against

509
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: clemb The best of Texas against Clemson and ASU was defense,

510
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 1: especially like being shell shocked going down fourteen three, and

511
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: although obviously the punt return wasn't on the defense, they

512
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: were ready to roll against Texas rushing attack. Yeah, the

513
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: final number is one point eight.

514
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: Yards per rush on the Texas side of things, which

515
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 2: is a far cry from I think the emerging storyline

516
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: that you and I have talked about for several weeks

517
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: running now, which is yes, Sark Sark found this glitch

518
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 2: with the outside zone running scheme. They needed to get

519
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: the line on the same page as their backs, on

520
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: the same page as the quarterback, on the same page

521
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: as they're We didn't see any of that. We didn't

522
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 2: see any of that. Part of it was a function

523
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: of the way the game played out, and Arizona State

524
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: dominated time of possession. They had thirty seven minutes of

525
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: possession in this game, nearly fifteen minutes more than Texas did.

526
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 2: Kenny Dillingham designed a game plan that was intended to

527
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: try and keep Texas off the field as much as possible,

528
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 2: and I think it was a pretty good game plan.

529
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 2: I think it worked for the most part, obviously better

530
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: in the second half than the first.

531
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Speaker 1: And to be fair to Texas, they're dealing with injuries,

532
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: and the reals with injury, there's dealing with receiveries on

533
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: the offensive line apply. But this is how many games

534
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: have they played at this point. This is their fourteenth game.

535
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: That's normal, this is to be expected. Everybody's dealing with

536
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: this in this moment as he was dealing as he

537
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: was have the number one receiver in this game. Gotta

538
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: find a way. Texas found a way, albeit in two

539
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: overtimes needed. I think it was was it Andrew mccouba

540
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: who came up with the interception to seal the game.

541
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: ASU is I mean, an incredible year. It's like, you

542
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: can't actually say anything negative about Arizona State in this moment.

543
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: You can't.

544
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: It was house money, all house money, all gravy. Now

545
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: they don't go into it thinking that. They go into

546
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: this thinking we're gonna win national championship. We've got Camp Scataboo,

547
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: We've got we've got guts and moxie and everything we need.

548
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: This is one hundred percent positive, like an incredible year

549
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: for the Devils.

550
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: Well, it's an incredible year for them, as Kenny Dillingham

551
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: has said a couple times now, obviously they're ahead of schedule.

552
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: It's just year two.

553
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a program that was down and out

554
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: before he got there, and he has built a culture

555
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: of winning very quickly. So credit to him and credit

556
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: to the game plan that they had here. At again,

557
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: least in the second half when things really started to

558
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: come together on the Texas side, I found myself very

559
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: frequently questioning, what is this game plan?

560
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, what exactly is this?

561
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: And it felt more to me in the dying embers

562
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: of this game that Texas was playing not to lose

563
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: than they were to win, felt weirdly conservative. Quinn Ewers

564
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: made some big plays, some big throws, right, obviously, they

565
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: came away the victor in this one, but they needed

566
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: overtime to do it. It just felt to me like

567
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: I was not seeing that killer instinct from Texas that

568
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: I had hoped to see in a game like this

569
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 2: that obviously Las Vegas expected to see. They were a

570
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: thirteen and a half fourteen point favorite coming into this one.

571
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: So the fact that ASU was able to contend in

572
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 2: the manner that they did damn near won. The the

573
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: fact that Texas struggled in the second half to put

574
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: Arizona State away despite the fact that ASU had trouble

575
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: the entire first half punching anything into the end zone

576
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: from within the red area. I think it's all very

577
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: telling and it speaks volumes about where this goes next,

578
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: which is Texas against Ohio State. I think if you

579
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: look at the spreadsheets, it's a very interesting matchup. If

580
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: you chart the course for both of these teams, that

581
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: has to favor of Ohio State.

582
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: It just has to. At this point in time.

583
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: The way that Ohio State is playing, I don't think

584
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: any team in this tournament is beating them.

585
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: You have to have such an angry defensive line and

586
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: such a mauling offensive line. I don't see it in

587
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: this tournament, ty, I don't see it.

588
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: That is on the Texas side of the bracket. It's

589
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: going to be Texas and Ohio State in the national

590
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: semifinal in Dallas.

591
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: Right, that's in Jerry World.

592
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: It is in Jerry World. Yeah, it's a Cotton Bowl.

593
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a tough hand to be dealt if you're

594
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: Ohio State. Don't lose to Michigan, right, de Los Michigan.

595
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: But it's okay. They're just they're going on their way.

596
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 2: On the other side of the bracket, this one is

597
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: in the Orange Bowl. It is going to be the

598
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: winner of Notre Dame Georgia, which again is going to

599
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: be played on Thursday against the Penn State Nitney Lions.

600
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: Dan and wearing the hat.

601
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: You are I wore the change out of your Ohio

602
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: State trolling gear that you did on our live stream.

603
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah I did.

604
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: Penn State won this game on New Year's Eve the

605
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: Fiesta Bowl by a thirty one to two, fourteen score

606
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: over Boise State.

607
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: I have a lot of thoughts in this game.

608
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: Actually, okay, a lot of hearts in this game. I

609
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: watched the vast majority of this from the skycast, the

610
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: behind the line of scrimmage view where you get to

611
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: see what the defense is doing.

612
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: I was curious.

613
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: I was very curious to see how Penn State was

614
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: going to handle Ashton Gent from a defensive standpoint. And

615
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: what that view showed, I think think more effective than

616
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: the broadcast camera, was that, yes, Penn State respected Ashton Gent.

617
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: They did not respect the Boise passing attack at all,

618
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: and that stayed the strategy for pretty much the entire game.

619
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: Dan they had one high safety's a Key Whitley, otherwise

620
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: man coverage across the board. This was Penn State essentially

621
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: trusting that it had better athletes on defense. This was

622
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: them trying to force Maddox Madson to make a lot

623
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: of tough throws getting three interceptions as a result of it.

624
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: That's what this was.

625
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: That was their strategy. It was not complicated. Obviously, Ashton

626
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: Gent is still very electric with the football. Boise gave

627
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: him thirty carries. They tried to get him going in

628
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: this one, he broke a ton of tackles.

629
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,239
Speaker 1: Hey, I mean he is ridiculous. He's incredible. Like the

630
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: tackles that he broke to get he break five tackles

631
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: to get six yards and did it consistently, consistently. It

632
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: was not a fluke.

633
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: I mean, he is ridiculous when it comes to breaking

634
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: tack and he is not the biggest running back. He

635
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: is not Dereck Henry. This guy's like five to nine.

636
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: He's just slippery. He knows how to use his weight.

637
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 2: He is incredible.

638
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: I mean he is just looks like he's built of fists, right,

639
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: Like he's just he's incredible.

640
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: He's incredible, and Penn State respected that. If he's breaking

641
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: Penn State tackles, which is a pretty good tackling team,

642
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 2: you know he's the real deal. They fed him thirty times. Again,

643
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 2: he did rip off a few nice runs, but Penn

644
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: State keyed on him. They were able to stop him

645
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: most often before getting to the second level, before he

646
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 2: could really do damage. Yeah, and that was another thing

647
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: that was pretty apparent from the skycast. Penn State was

648
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: just more physical at the point of attack. And again,

649
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: as we talked about with Ohio, state, stopping the run

650
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: with their front four. They did really really well with that,

651
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 2: stopping their run with the front four or like you know,

652
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: slanting down their front funneling.

653
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were funneling to linebackers so the linebackers.

654
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: Could run downhill that type of thing and make plays.

655
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: They were just really good at handling that without over

656
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 2: committing themselves. Again, not anything complicated. They were just better.

657
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: They were better. Now, it's notable Abdull Carter went out.

658
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: Abdul Carter their.

659
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: Best defensive line, maybe the best defensive lineman a football,

660
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 2: depending on your perspective. Left shoulder injury, left upper arm injury.

661
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 2: I have not seen specifics at time of recording. He

662
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: did not return in this game. James Franklin seemed somewhat

663
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: optimistic when he talked about Abdul Carter earlier today. Seems

664
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: like it's going to be a wait and see thing.

665
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did. He did generate a holding call. Tie

666
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: did generate a Staters were like holding Abdul Carter ever play.

667
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: They're not calling everything if they were just calling on

668
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: Abdul Carter.

669
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: Yes, he got he got a hold call. He did

670
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 2: get a holding call. Uh, dds and I Dennis Sutton,

671
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: on the other side, was spectacular in this game. I

672
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: thought it dumb penalties, but all things considered, affected the

673
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: game in a really, really significant way.

674
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: I thought he was good.

675
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: I even thought a mean vanover the fill in for

676
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 2: Abdulkarta had a.

677
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: Really good game number thirteen yeah think yeah.

678
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: So that was all very very positive, and I'd say

679
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: the same was true for Penn State on offense. Dan,

680
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 2: like I don't have access to the full suite of

681
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: numbers quite yet, just a lot of yards before contact

682
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: for Penn State, especially k Tron Allen.

683
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: Dude, he had himself a day.

684
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: K Tron Allen has been playing like a man possessed

685
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 2: over these last three games.

686
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: Real savvy decision to get the ball away from k

687
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: Tron Allen in the second half for stretches. Good job, guys.

688
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: Tyler Donahue, who writes Four Lions twenty four to seven,

689
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 2: tweeted out that the final three regular season games for

690
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: k Tron Allen featured a total of sixty four rushing

691
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: yards at two and a half average if you count

692
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: in now the Big Ten Championship in the two playoff games,

693
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: averaging seven point eight per carry, three hundred and twenty

694
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: eight rushing yards. Yeah, he had one hundred and thirty

695
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: four in this one. You add in eighty seven more

696
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: from Nick Singleton who had the long touchdown run later

697
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: in the game, over two hundred for both these guys

698
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: seven point six per carry. It felt like they were

699
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: a shoe string away from more home run carries as well. Sure,

700
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: this is a running game that's playing really really well

701
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: right now. And you know, we can debate the merits

702
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: of well it was SMU, and well it was Boise,

703
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: and well it was Oregon.

704
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what to make on Rogon at this point, but.

705
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: It does seem as if they have found another gear

706
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: with that rushing attack. And that's pretty cool. That's pretty encouraging.

707
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: Now, keep in mind Oregon beat Penn State on a

708
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: neutral field like two and a half weeks ago. Yeah, okay,

709
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: do you think James Franklin has a recurring alarm on

710
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 1: his phone for two q o'clock that it's like, oh,

711
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: what do we have? Fourth and one mm? Do I

712
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: have something for you guys? Like should we just give

713
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: it to Khron Allen in like a vaguely creative way

714
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: like run outside Zone with kateron Allen, or a tossley

715
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: with Kateron Allen, or you know some sort of like, oh,

716
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: play action and here's Tyler Warren leaking out the flat

717
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: for an easy three and a half hours like ooh,

718
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: or or we're gonna have play action with Drew Aller

719
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: rolling away from his ideal throwing angle to throw it

720
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: away from his body. Like that's the two Q to'clock

721
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: for James Franklin. Didn't come back to haunt them, but

722
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,479
Speaker 1: happened at like an inopportune time as Boise was gaining

723
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of momentum. Really really wish if I

724
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: were a Penn State fan that like somebody would turn

725
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: off that alarm for the high leverage moment in the

726
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: red zone er on you know, third and one, fourth

727
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: and one.

728
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 2: But I was tweeting out to run the damn ball,

729
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: and I was definitely feeling the two.

730
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: Q to clock as well.

731
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: To get back steep into the night the last night

732
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four. There were moments in that game

733
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: where they really should have just run the football. They

734
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: did run it well, but yeah, two q o'clocks a

735
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: thing you mentioned. Tyler Warren still a force across the board.

736
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 2: Like won the Fiesta Bowl MVP Award. He had two touchdowns,

737
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 2: six catches sixty three yards, probably could have had more.

738
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: There were a couple that he couldn't reel in, but

739
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: his I wouldn't hate Tyler Warren hitting the Dugs machine

740
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: for a minute or two.

741
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: There were a couple of dumb drops in that one.

742
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: I mean literally, what was it was Hans Kasiki, Yeah,

743
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: I and it wasn't just him. There were drops in

744
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,399
Speaker 1: this game. The pass catch. There were drops in this game.

745
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: And Tower Warren's caught everything all year, So I don't

746
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: know what it was.

747
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: Just missed a couple against Oregon, missed a couple against Boise.

748
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: He's an incredible player, you know, Mackie Award winner. Uh yeah,

749
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: the the hand stuff, it was like incredible plays. It

750
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: was Amari Evans downfield, dropped a couple of balls.

751
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: Drew Aller, Drew Oler. Stat line won't knock you over.

752
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: Thirteen to twenty five, one seventy one to three touchdowns,

753
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: no picks, which is good. I thought this was another

754
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: really solid.

755
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: Game from him and the decision making.

756
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned the drops. Each game he looks a

757
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: little bit more like the five star quarterback than everyone

758
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 2: thought they were getting. He threw some absolute dimes in

759
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: this one, and there were a couple instances whether Tyler, Warren,

760
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: Maury Evans, somebody was dropping a pass not paying off

761
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: the effort from Drew Aller. I thought he looked really,

762
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: really solid in this football game. He's making good decisions.

763
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: He's playing with a lot more fire, sometimes a little

764
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: too much fire. But they were committed to throwing deep,

765
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: which I liked in this one. You sent me a

766
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: tweet from Bruce Feldman earlier in the week, in which

767
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 2: I guess he talked anonymously. Was one of those blind

768
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: items other Mountain West coaches who said that Boise does

769
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 2: not have cornerbacks or their week at cornerback. It seems

770
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 2: as if if Andy kotle Nikki took that one to heart,

771
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: because they made a real concerted effort to throw deep

772
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 2: here to the point where I was like, again, run

773
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: the damn ball. All year, we're crying for them to

774
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: try and throw it deep, stretch the field. In this one,

775
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: I think they almost did it to a fault. They

776
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: almost shouldn't like ease back on that because they didn't

777
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: need to. But the fact that they kept trying the

778
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: fact that they were able to hit a few of

779
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 2: those I thought was encouraging for where this passing game

780
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: is going next. And Drew Aller definitely continues to show

781
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: that he is maturing as a quarterback. So if you're

782
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: a Penn State fan, you feel good about that. You

783
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: feel good about the ground game, you feel good about

784
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: the way that Tyler Warren affects everything that the offense does.

785
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: And you got to be thrilled with the defense, absolutely

786
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: thrilled before you saw on defense.

787
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: I'm still a little bit of the mind that like

788
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: Drew Aller is a little bit like ty hilden Brant

789
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: with like a perfect eight iron, where you're just like,

790
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: this is who he is now. He just put it

791
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: nine inches from the pin. He was like he did,

792
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: but what are the rest of the eight irons look like? Like?

793
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: He has those throws that are incredible, And you might

794
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: be right about the poise defense, which, by the way,

795
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: here's here's a little not subplot, but he's just a

796
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: little like a sidebar here. I didn't hate Maddox Madison

797
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: in this game. No, I didn't either. It wasn't he

798
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: opened some really nice passes. He bought himself time nicely

799
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: against and at times, and I think actually the Boise

800
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: State offensive line, because you had mentioned early on in

801
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: the game that like they're being overwhelmed by Penn State upfront.

802
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: I thought they settled in kind of nice. They settled in. Listen.

803
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: The portrait that I am painting here, This was a

804
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 2: game in the fourth quarter.

805
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: The portrait that.

806
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: I am painting here is Penn State was better. Yes,

807
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: Penn State was absolutely better. Yeah, full stop. Penn State

808
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: was better in the first half than they were in

809
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: the second. Once Boise had a chance to settle into

810
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: this game, it did have a different tenor in the

811
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: second half.

812
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: For sure.

813
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: I was watching this game with solid wife Kate, with

814
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: my cousin over a few adult beverages on New Year's Eve,

815
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 2: and there were a few moments where the heart was popeditating.

816
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sure Boise.

817
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: I thought, all things consider, you can look at the

818
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 2: final score all you want, thirty one fourteen, I thought,

819
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: Boise by the time all was said and done, acquitted

820
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 2: itself fairly well in this game.

821
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: Yes, it didn't seem.

822
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: To me as if they were completely overmatched the full

823
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: way through. It started that way, but once they had

824
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: a chance to settle in kind of get into their groove. No,

825
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 2: it didn't really work for ash and Gent, but Maddox

826
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: mad said, I came away with the same impression. I

827
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: don't think he had the athletes out wide that could

828
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: get space with this Penn State secondary. I don't think

829
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 2: he had the line in front of them, albeit maybe

830
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: it improved over the course of the game. I don't

831
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: think he had the line in front of them to

832
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 2: resist pressure, to give himself better opportunities down the field.

833
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: I think he was.

834
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: Trying as best he could to throw guys open, so

835
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: there was only so much he can do. That's how

836
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: you end up with three picks. Again, this is not

837
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: a bad Boise team. I think they very much belonged here.

838
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: This is just a better Penn State squad that showed

839
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: it over the course of sixty minutes.

840
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: It was yeah, and I think Poise came out, drove

841
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: down the field and attempted a field goal early right

842
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: if memory certain like we can't that's not going to

843
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: win that game, and missed that field goal early on.

844
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm fact checking on the fly fourth and two from

845
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: the Penn State twenty eight. You're just like that's a

846
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: tight call. And it was twenty four to fourteen, and

847
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: they had like a twelve play sixty yard drive or

848
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: something missed another field goal. There there were opportunities. You're

849
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: right about the interceptions. It seemed like when they would

850
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: start getting a little bit of momentum and you'd buy

851
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: time and find receivers for first down throws. Yeah, then

852
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: you throw a pick or obviously the picks at the

853
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: end sealed things for Penn State. There were opportunities for

854
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: a slightly more disciplined, aggressive, more talented offense to move

855
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: the ball and score against Penn State again seventeen fourteen

856
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: and the third quarter twenty four to fourteen driving. Penn

857
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: State won this game because just flat out better and

858
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: take advantage of those moments more efficiently than Boise State could.

859
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: But I once Boise settled in, it was an interesting game.

860
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: As you mentioned, you were clenching a little bit. I was.

861
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: I was no, and I came away impressed with Boise Honestly,

862
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't expect that Ashton Ginty was going

863
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 2: to go for two hundred yards, one hundred and ninety yards,

864
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: even a hundred seventy yards in a game like totally.

865
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 2: I figured he would get a fair amount of work.

866
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: I knew he would put up a respectable number. I

867
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: didn't think Penn State would let him beat them, and

868
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 2: they didn't.

869
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 1: He wasn't able to do that. And even the teams

870
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: that have done well against him, sometimes you're just gonna

871
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: give up a seventy seven yard run because your linebacker

872
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: over pursues, and maybe that's how you get to one

873
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty yards. But Penn State was just so

874
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: sound up front in corralling him and knowing that they

875
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: were gonna have to send seven dudes at him specifically

876
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: not just in the play, that he was going to

877
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: have to be hit five, six, seven times to be

878
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: brought down. Sometimes he did it. Yeah, he is too player. Yeah,

879
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: So Penn State's going with the Orange Bowl again.

880
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: They're going to play the winner of Notre Dame in Georgia,

881
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: the Sugar Bowl being played on a different schedule. Given

882
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: circumstances that one's going to go down on Thursday at

883
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: four pm Eastern time. Dan and I are going to

884
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: do the live stream. We're going to do a reaction

885
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,479
Speaker 2: stream at some point thereafter talk through what the semi

886
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: finals look like, we'll give you point spreads, try to

887
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 2: unpack anything that we didn't have a chance to cover

888
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 2: on this episode. But again, weird scheduled this week given

889
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: all that has gone on in the world.

890
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: We will do our.

891
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 2: Best to keep you up to speed with all of that.

892
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: But we've got three winners through winners right now. They

893
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: are Ohio State, Texas, Penn State waiting on the fourth

894
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: waiting on the final four.

895
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: College football playoff Dame as as. Somebody invested in Penn State,

896
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: you were in their hat right now, we don't. We

897
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: haven't obviously in this moment recording see Notre Dame Georgia.

898
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: Is Penn State performing two expectation after beating SMU and

899
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 1: Boise State? Are they over performing? Out performing your expectations?

900
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: Coming up a little bit short or sort of to

901
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: you incomplete? And I'm trying to phrase this in a

902
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: way that's not knocking SMU and Boise State. These are

903
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: two good teams. It's stupid to sort of say, like, well,

904
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: how do we know if Penn State's actually good? It's

905
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: Boise State SMU? Like relative to your expectations, where are

906
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: they right now? I think they're ahead? Okay, I think

907
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: they're ahead.

908
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 2: And I've had a lot of people ask me online,

909
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: if it's Notre Dame or Penn State, who are you picking.

910
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: I think I'd pick Penn State right now, I really do.

911
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: Wow, what's the difference if that comes to pass.

912
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 2: I think with the way that they've played on offense recently,

913
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 2: it strikes me as a more complete attack. I'm still

914
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 2: not sure I know how to classify the Notre Dame attack,

915
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 2: and I'm a little fearful, as I said in our preview,

916
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: that when we do see the Sugar Bowl, it's going

917
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: to be a lot of Riley Leonard left, Riley Leonard right.

918
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: You can win like that in college foot well. By

919
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 2: the way, it doesn't always need to be a perfectly

920
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: balanced anything. You just need to have the best players

921
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 2: in the right places and you can find a way

922
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: to win.

923
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's Cam Newton left and Cam Newton sure.

924
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: Sure exactly so, it doesn't It doesn't need to be

925
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 2: a fully balanced approach, right. But I'm a little bit

926
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: worried that Notre Dame has not played a defense like

927
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 2: we have seen from Penn State over these last couple

928
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: of weeks, and if Penn State is going to run

929
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: the ball effectively, and if they're also going to mix

930
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: in a little bit more deep with the passing game,

931
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: it just feels to me like that presents a new

932
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: challenge for Notre Dame.

933
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: So if that hYP set states, I think Penn State's better.

934
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, if that hypothetical matchup goes down, I think I

935
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:47,959
Speaker 2: probably favored Penn State.

936
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think they have a better quarterback. I think

937
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: they have the better defensive line, and they have the

938
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: better gravitational offensive weapon and Tyler Warren. So yeah, that's

939
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: where I'm at. But look, I pick a Oregon to

940
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: beat Ohio State. What I know? What does any of

941
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: us know? All Right, So listen, here's the deal.

942
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: If you made it this far, hit fall, hit subscribe,

943
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,200
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944
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 2: feeds bright and early on Friday morning after the Sugar Bowl.

945
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 2: We will go through any leftover thoughts. We are doing

946
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: this sort of on the fly, right after watching the

947
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: two games on New Year's Day, two playoff games on

948
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: New Year's Day. Whatever we didn't get to on this

949
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: we'll try to cover on the next episode. Try to

950
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: put this all in perspective for you. We would encourage

951
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 2: you again to hit follow or subscribe.

952
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: If you' youet to do.

953
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Speaker 2: So, check us out at Verballers dot com. Another round

954
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Speaker 2: of bul Bingo coming up shortly. I will talk more

955
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: about that, I promise.

956
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that has been a big hit. I think

957
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: that is all for now.

958
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: Dan. My voice is crying for some water because we've

959
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: been talking for many hours on end. But I'm excited

960
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 2: for one more game.

961
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: Tomorrow, excited for the Sugar Bowl, excited for next week.

962
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: What's Thursday and Friday? Is the Semis? Yeah, Cotton and

963
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: Orange yep, could have Notre Dame Penn State. We got

964
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: to figure out if we want to go to that,

965
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: you and me? Oh man, that would be great. You

966
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: gotta figure it out. I got a couple pizza plays

967
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: I want to try in Miami. We've got some friends

968
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: in Miami.

969
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: I gotta I gotta do the Laura Quinn Jersey thing,

970
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: oh man, just to make it all about me.

971
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: It is, truly it is. I don't know what who

972
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: would be the two like the two people the Notre Dame?

973
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: How would you combine? Is there like a common Notre

974
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: Dame in Penn State? Number?

975
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: Like?

976
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: Is there a number eleven that you love. Obviously, I

977
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: Duel Carter for Penn State, But like, is there that

978
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: player that you could span both? I don't know, well.

979
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 2: I mean, twenty five is my favorite rocket Ishmael, and

980
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: the only twenty five that comes to mind is Tony

981
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 2: Driver for Penn State, backup, running back.

982
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: That's tough.

983
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's gonna work quite to the

984
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: same extent. I'd have to think about it.

985
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, that would be so lame and I

986
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: would love it.

987
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 2: We'll see what we can do, all right, Okay, listen

988
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 2: more to come. Thank you for barrel with us here.

989
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: Hope you can join us on stream. If not, we

990
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 2: will do our pest to recap everything on the next

991
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 2: episode in the meantime for that cover there, Dan Rubenstein

992
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 2: for myself, Tie Hill and Brand.

993
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Speaker 1: Happy New Year. We'll talk to you sooner. Stay soft, peace,