Speaker 1: Are you leaving on?
Speaker 2: You wanna way back home? Either way, we.
Speaker 3: Want to be there.
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter how much baggage you claim and give us
Speaker 2: time and a termino and gay. We want to send
Speaker 2: you off in style. You wanna welcome you back home?
Speaker 2: Tell us all about it. We scared her? Was it fine? Malcorn?
Speaker 2: Do you need to ride?
Speaker 4: Do you need to ride?
Speaker 2: Do you need to ride? Do you need to ride?
Speaker 2: Do you need to ride? Do you need you ride?
Speaker 4: Ride with Karen and Chris? Welcome to Do you need
Speaker 4: a ride? This is Chris Fairbanks And.
Speaker 2: This is Karen Kilgariff. Hello, my friend, Hello, my friend.
Speaker 2: At the end of twenty twenty two, I have.
Speaker 4: Here in front of me your new pickleball paddle.
Speaker 2: Oh the best paddle, it says on the box.
Speaker 1: I believe it's a Apparently, Jamie Fox, the actor egat
Speaker 1: multi talented celebrity, is weighing a pickleball and he makes
Speaker 1: those paddles.
Speaker 2: Jamie Fox did not send us pickleball.
Speaker 1: It is his pickleball company. No, it's just the paddle.
Speaker 1: I mean, I might as well show it to you. Yes, please,
Speaker 1: it's cool, it's in there.
Speaker 2: It's pre dude, I'm getting that I'm going to get
Speaker 2: that from you.
Speaker 1: It is for you, and I'm not going to take
Speaker 1: credit for it, because it was they were giving them
Speaker 1: away at this golf tournament I did, and Hannah Drake Littman,
Speaker 1: who works for the Heart Foundation, sent me. Because I
Speaker 1: didn't get my trophy after I won, I left because
Speaker 1: I was sad I didn't win the chipping contest. So
Speaker 1: it's really a present from Hannah. But because I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't play pickleball, I was thinking about myself, but
Speaker 1: I was in my head because I was golfing. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Hannah sent you this, so it's from her. Hannah I together.
Speaker 1: It's a dual gift.
Speaker 2: Oh are we supposed to share it?
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: She just was listening to the episode where you and
Speaker 1: Dave were talking about, Hey, we should start playing pickleball,
Speaker 1: and so she's thoughtful and said, oh shit, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and you just for a second here, I was going
Speaker 1: to take credit and I backed out. And that's what
Speaker 1: Christmas is all about. Like you were going to say
Speaker 1: you got.
Speaker 4: It for me, I was. I was going down that road,
Speaker 4: that that bumpy road.
Speaker 2: Of lies to very You know what though, what a
Speaker 2: what a tempting road that is to be like, hey, look,
Speaker 2: you know I listen to what you say, and I
Speaker 2: was thinking, what would you like most for Christmas?
Speaker 1: I could have got it, would have done that, and
Speaker 1: then I realized we talked about it. So I went
Speaker 1: and I purchased from Jamie Fox personally.
Speaker 2: Trunk the trunk of his car.
Speaker 1: I'm trying not to turn down though it was Roads
Speaker 1: of Lies, good healthy.
Speaker 2: Also, if Hannah listens to the podcast, then she may
Speaker 2: may have heard you get to steal the credit, and
Speaker 2: then then she would probably go to Jamie Fox and say,
Speaker 2: not only should we not have given this, but now
Speaker 2: you have an enemy, right, an enemy.
Speaker 1: In high places? Oh boy, that would be Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: it was out of fear. I get backed out.
Speaker 2: I think it's smart. Whatever it takes for you to
Speaker 2: not lie, whether it's fear, future repercussions and recriminations from
Speaker 2: Jamie Fox, any of it, you don't want it.
Speaker 1: No, No, he's a man I've always been scared of.
Speaker 4: Quite muscular.
Speaker 2: My very first writing job was on a sketch show
Speaker 2: called Hype Into Sorry in two thousand and in the
Speaker 2: year two thousand, I believe, and god damn, it was
Speaker 2: so long.
Speaker 3: Ago.
Speaker 2: It's so funny. But we were on the Warner Brothers
Speaker 2: lot and we were over by kind of on the
Speaker 2: back end in those none of this matters, but I
Speaker 2: can just see our offices because they looked It was
Speaker 2: just so exciting to be going on to a lot
Speaker 2: to have a writing job. It was just like I
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, all my dreams are coming.
Speaker 4: To travel your first staff writing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And at first I had to take the bus there
Speaker 2: because I didn't have a car. It was right after
Speaker 2: or I had to stop driving for three years when
Speaker 2: I started having seizures after I stopped drinking, so I
Speaker 2: was taking them the bus. I would have to walk
Speaker 2: over to Kowanga and wait there for sometimes between fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes and an hour and ten minutes for the bus
Speaker 2: to come to take me over basically Kowanga Pass and
Speaker 2: over Barram to the Warner Brothers lot. And Jamie Fox
Speaker 2: used to have his show where he was a hotel,
Speaker 2: like a hotel Bellhop. I think is the board for it,
Speaker 2: which I used to also watch on the WB and
Speaker 2: his shows. They wrote that down on the other side
Speaker 2: of the building that we were on, and so I
Speaker 2: used to from my office watch him pull into his
Speaker 2: parking spot and come into the building every day, and
Speaker 2: it was like the fun thing that we got to do,
Speaker 2: like a star. That never happens when you even when
Speaker 2: you're on a lot, it's usually just boring other people
Speaker 2: on the lot, right, unless it's someone exciting, like a
Speaker 2: right you love a certain executive producer and they're walking Yah.
Speaker 4: Almost never been the best behind the scenes decisions.
Speaker 2: Look at it suit a look at his The budgets
Speaker 2: this guy puts together are unbelievable. But it was Jamie
Speaker 2: Fox pulling up every day and Jamie Fox sometimes like
Speaker 2: then we started doing this thing where you would figure
Speaker 2: out a reason to go walk by the stairway because
Speaker 2: he would be coming up it, and then we would
Speaker 2: just go to pretend to wait for the elevator or
Speaker 2: be walking by holding two scripts or whatever, like got
Speaker 2: to do business over in this area. We had no
Speaker 2: business on that side of the building at all. It
Speaker 2: was really exciting. And he's like, Jamie Fox is one
Speaker 2: of the most talented people on the planet.
Speaker 1: Even forget like there's a video going around right now
Speaker 1: where he's doing a Trump impression better than anyone.
Speaker 4: Better than anyone, and Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 1: It's like one of those shows where they're in a
Speaker 1: studio all in a semi circle and they are laughing
Speaker 1: so hard, and I just forgot. He's this impressionist, YEP
Speaker 1: singer actor. He's got it all and he's.
Speaker 2: A hell of a pickleball player and he's so he
Speaker 2: is passionate about pickleball the way Dave Holmes and now
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: I His name was thrown around with these paddles so
Speaker 1: much that I'm one hundred percent sure there no one
Speaker 1: would just make that up because no, someone said it
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what, no, what, and then everyone kept
Speaker 1: reinforcing it.
Speaker 2: So I have to get that for you before I
Speaker 2: leave to go up north for Christmas, because.
Speaker 1: Everyone that I drop you off there's like San Francisco
Speaker 1: forty nine ers gear, there's a lot of heat. I
Speaker 1: just have it in a box here and I'm embarrassed
Speaker 1: and I see it and then I'm like, I'm a
Speaker 1: bad friend.
Speaker 4: I'm just I've just been holding it for you.
Speaker 2: I love that though. That's kind of fun. It's almost
Speaker 2: like the you know, the year in review of gifts
Speaker 2: that you've gotten. But I'm excited because the people that
Speaker 2: I know that know how to play pickleball and know
Speaker 2: the rules and know where the lines are are all
Speaker 2: in Pedaluma. So I can just basically call Adrian. My
Speaker 2: sister's found Adrian and be like, hey, do you want
Speaker 2: to play pickleball on these mornings? Because and then I
Speaker 2: can learn it from the people I know who know
Speaker 2: it instead of like, because Dave and I were talking about,
Speaker 2: well we should just go and we should find courts
Speaker 2: and we should like in La. Yeah, like that's so intimidating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is. It is. I need to be told.
Speaker 1: Like I subbed in a kickball game last week, and
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've ever played kickball. I was
Speaker 1: assuming it was the same rules as Little League baseball,
Speaker 1: but it's been since I was a child that I
Speaker 1: did that. It was so much fun. I had so
Speaker 1: much fun and I felt like a kid again. And
Speaker 1: it was a team sport when I haven't done a
Speaker 1: team sport in years. Yeah, and I felt it felt amazing.
Speaker 1: I really enjoy It's very important to do like an
Speaker 1: activity I think.
Speaker 2: And team team based because you when you do your individuals,
Speaker 2: you then attack yourself and you have lots of big
Speaker 2: feelings whereas if it's on a team, you have people
Speaker 2: to balance it out right.
Speaker 1: At no point, even when I missed a catch or
Speaker 1: didn't know what I was doing and I threw the
Speaker 1: ball in the wrong direction, I wasn't hating myself because
Speaker 1: there's a team there. There was also you just are
Speaker 1: more inherently more supportive of everyone.
Speaker 4: And it's and.
Speaker 2: It's also kickball, like it's kickball, which you can say
Speaker 2: that about golf, but golf is like kind of a
Speaker 2: businessman's game, and so I'm sure there's lots of things
Speaker 2: that come up, whereas like if you fuck up and kickball,
Speaker 2: you're like, sorry, I guess I'm not in third grade.
Speaker 1: Yeah bye, Yeah, I had no expectations. Well I did
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm like, what have I run? And
Speaker 1: my legs don't work and I trip. I was so
Speaker 1: scared that I would just fall down for no reason.
Speaker 2: But it didn't happen, just like all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you're like, oh, it turns out
Speaker 2: I can't run at all.
Speaker 4: Well, it is.
Speaker 1: When the ball is bouncing towards you very quickly, it
Speaker 1: is very hard to kick it. I will say I
Speaker 1: thought that I would be way better at kicking it.
Speaker 1: I was like missing it and almost doing a Charlie
Speaker 1: Brown onto my back, which brings me.
Speaker 4: To my next subject.
Speaker 2: Oh, Okay, have.
Speaker 1: You been rewatching any of the Peanuts Thanksgiving or Christmas
Speaker 1: holiday specials?
Speaker 2: I personally have not. Charles Schultz is from Santa Rosa,
Speaker 2: so like it was his hundredth birthday a month ago,
Speaker 2: I think, and so when I was up there, they
Speaker 2: were having all kinds of like memorials and talking about
Speaker 2: him and what a legend is and everything, and it's
Speaker 2: very much ingrained. Also, my sister, being a first and
Speaker 2: second grade teacher, shows her class both of those at
Speaker 2: the holidays, so I kind of do it vicariously through her.
Speaker 2: So I'm always like, hat, did you show him? Did
Speaker 2: you show him the Thanksgiving one yet? Because I think
Speaker 2: I've told you this. My sister on Thanksgiving shows her
Speaker 2: class the Thanksgiving one and she makes them popcorn and
Speaker 2: eminem's all the stuff that they have at the Charlie
Speaker 2: Brown feast that Snoopy makes them she makes for the kids,
Speaker 2: which I was like the first time she told me that,
Speaker 2: I burst into tears because I was like, I just
Speaker 2: realized that's what I've wanted to do since I was
Speaker 2: like six years old watching that special, Like, how's fun
Speaker 2: is with it? They're doing, do what they're doing, what
Speaker 2: they're eating, like live, you know, Live Linus's life, Live
Speaker 2: Peppermint Patty's life. Although can I just say first, first,
Speaker 2: we'll do the Thanksgiving special. People have pointed this out
Speaker 2: on social media. I find it absolutely jaw droppingly horrifying.
Speaker 2: Franklin is sitting on one side of the table by himself,
Speaker 2: and he's the only black character, and they have him
Speaker 2: on one side and there's like six kids on the
Speaker 2: other side, and it makes no fucking sense. It makes
Speaker 2: no fucking sense there.
Speaker 1: I mean, that had to be a mistake. There are
Speaker 1: so inclusive of them, they're sweet to them. I was
Speaker 1: paying attention to that. That was just bad art design. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but who I'd like to speak to the artist. What
Speaker 1: was the mistake?
Speaker 2: What are you doing? Yeah, he's one of the gang.
Speaker 2: But it's like, that is the weirdest thing. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: the weirdest thing to me, unless somebody fucked around like
Speaker 2: photoshopp did or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, maybe Oh so you saw you saw still online?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I would have noticed that.
Speaker 2: I think so much, Louise, do you mind looking to
Speaker 2: see if that's real? That Franklin sitting on one side
Speaker 2: of the Thanksgiving fee stable by myself.
Speaker 1: I mean, as if there isn't enough depressing the It
Speaker 1: bothered even as a child, it did. There's an eerie
Speaker 1: like sadness too. It's not just the music, but the
Speaker 1: fact that there and everyone always talks about this, but
Speaker 1: no adults around, no parents, No one mentions their parents.
Speaker 4: They're they're making dinners by themselves.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And Charlie Brown says the most, I hate my life,
Speaker 1: what is my life?
Speaker 4: Good grief? Oh bru.
Speaker 1: Like he is so down on himself that I can't
Speaker 1: believe that was for kids.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I was laughing so hard at how openly hard he
Speaker 1: is on himself, and everyone's so mean to him. But
Speaker 1: then right in the end they're like, you're a hero,
Speaker 1: Charlie Brown. Yeah, and it right in the right in
Speaker 1: the very end, he's happy they save it.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny. Also, Linus is like the baby.
Speaker 2: He has a blanket over his shoulder. He sucks is them.
Speaker 2: But he is like a German philosopher, the shit, he says.
Speaker 4: I did not.
Speaker 1: That is something I forgot or didn't notice when I
Speaker 1: was a kid. He totally says the most poignant, perfect things. Yep,
Speaker 1: he's so smart.
Speaker 2: Literally, as a kid, we're all we're all just like, hey,
Speaker 2: look a dog and a birder friends, Like, no one
Speaker 2: is picking up on any of that adult stuff. It Actually,
Speaker 2: as a kid, though, it did make me feel uncomfortable
Speaker 2: that they were by themselves and that it was always
Speaker 2: this kind of thing where I'm just like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: it's Thanksgiving, and somehow this group is just just they're
Speaker 2: all by themselves. That doesn't make sense that the parents
Speaker 2: are like, sorry, we went on a cruise for the weekend.
Speaker 1: Oh, someone asked me to do stand up on a cruise?
Speaker 2: Are you going to do it? No?
Speaker 4: I can't. I mean I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit of a A cruise ship is
Speaker 1: just a float, giant port it potty that serves fish.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 1: I'm scared that that's one thing that I've like, my
Speaker 1: brain has changed.
Speaker 4: I can't be on a cruise ship yet.
Speaker 2: I just can't know that it's actually it can be
Speaker 2: very claustrophobic, especially if you hit any kind of slightly
Speaker 2: rough water. It's very to me scary. But wait a second,
Speaker 2: that just makes me think, because we should come back
Speaker 2: to this Peanuts Christmas special. Before we do, let's just
Speaker 2: se quick take a right down the alley of there
Speaker 2: is a movie. Have you seen Triangle of Sadness? No? Okay,
Speaker 2: did you ever see the movie Force Masure? Oh? Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: that yeah, same director. Okay, I just watched it this
Speaker 2: past weekend. You have to see it. Okay, speaking of
Speaker 2: what you just spoke of without any spoiler's okay, it's
Speaker 2: you're going to love it.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, and I actually wanted Triangle of Sadness to
Speaker 1: be some Peanut special.
Speaker 4: I didn't know about it.
Speaker 1: I really like a dinner bell and they zoom in
Speaker 1: on it and it's.
Speaker 2: Just it's really round by himself and.
Speaker 1: It's just kids eating together, no conversation, no music.
Speaker 4: Triangle of Sadness.
Speaker 2: I didn't even I didn't even realize that perfectly perfectly
Speaker 2: capped it up. Wait, sorry, Onalisa, you just tell me
Speaker 2: what this says?
Speaker 4: Yes on aalise please.
Speaker 2: Basically, yes, He's sitting on the other side of the
Speaker 2: table and Genejols says that that her husband didn't have
Speaker 2: anything to do with it. It was the director's decision.
Speaker 2: They think that it wasn't any ulterior motive, but I
Speaker 2: mean it was the time, so it's very possible that
Speaker 2: somebody did so. Because was it from the late sixties?
Speaker 2: Does it say or the It was like a sixties originally,
Speaker 2: I think, But still well.
Speaker 1: Just as excluded. They are so hard on that. It's
Speaker 1: not that kid's fault, pig Pen. That he's dirty, that's
Speaker 1: his parents, wherever they might be. Of course they're never mentioned,
Speaker 1: very true, but I knew kids like that with a
Speaker 1: cloud of dirt around them that were smelling, and it
Speaker 1: always made me sad because it was just like maybe
Speaker 1: their parents didn't have a watcher and dryer. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: are so mean. They bring up that he's dirty all
Speaker 1: the time, and he's a sweet He also says sweet things.
Speaker 1: I was really bothered by pig Pen, the way the
Speaker 1: kids treat them. They are so mean to each other.
Speaker 1: Lucy is so mean.
Speaker 2: Lucy's Superman, which I always loved. We love her because
Speaker 2: you know, she's a self actualized woman, which back then
Speaker 2: was very refreshing. But there's another one that looks like
Speaker 2: Lucy but she has a ponytail and she's she's always
Speaker 2: like get out of here, Charlie Brown, like she is
Speaker 2: the meanest, but she's not like a main character, and
Speaker 2: she says the meanest shit, And I think, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think they're That whole thing was like I think Charles
Speaker 2: Schultz meant to represent like kids don't have it easy
Speaker 2: just because they don't have jobs and shit, kids go
Speaker 2: through shit that's very real. And I think that idea,
Speaker 2: whether it was conscious or not, of like this is
Speaker 2: where all your problems start, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: So you might as well give kids the respect of
Speaker 2: what they go through, you know, as they go through it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's so insane that Lucy was a therapist,
Speaker 1: but she did it for nefarious reasons, and she would
Speaker 1: try to get Charlie Brown to admit certain things. It
Speaker 1: would just be like, you know, it would make you
Speaker 1: feel better if I held the ball and you kicked it.
Speaker 1: And he's like, I guess this is helping talking about this,
Speaker 1: and then she pulled away. He land and he didn't
Speaker 1: land flat on There's times where he landed on his
Speaker 1: upper back, like near his neck, like it.
Speaker 4: Was a dangerous prank.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and but the fact that she was doing therapy
Speaker 1: for people. I just it was so that kind of
Speaker 1: a cartoon just wouldn't be made now unless it.
Speaker 2: Was no although you know a lot of the stuff
Speaker 2: that Lucy that we you know, we judged Lucy for
Speaker 2: we then thirty years later celebrated Johnny knoxall for right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And that's just delightful and
Speaker 2: boys being boys. But if Lucy does it, she's a.
Speaker 1: Vicious I mean in Triangle of Sadness, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a peanut special.
Speaker 4: People don't talk about Lucy.
Speaker 1: Actually Staples, Charlie Brown's nottsacked to his leg, which.
Speaker 2: Jackass they were the og jackass nus jumps off that
Speaker 2: weird two foot wall they're always walking by. I was
Speaker 2: always obsessed with those backgrounds because I started to catch
Speaker 2: on of like, oh, that's right, they can't just make
Speaker 2: new backgrounds all the time as people walk around. That
Speaker 2: was like a thing because we just watched so much
Speaker 2: televisionist kids that I started like going, like, you know,
Speaker 2: in Scooby Doo when they run down a hall. And
Speaker 2: I said this once to my friend's sister, Picture plant,
Speaker 2: picture plan, yep, And they're just it's like whoa, whoa.
Speaker 2: And it's like, first of all, how long is this hallway?
Speaker 2: This is why are we still going? Is fifty yards long?
Speaker 2: There's only two things in the hallway, and it repeats
Speaker 2: all the way down like all those kinds of things
Speaker 2: where that's how much TV. It was like we were
Speaker 2: I was getting picking apart the background. What do you
Speaker 2: know what that's called, like with the base layer of
Speaker 2: the cartoon cell that they put the character.
Speaker 4: Oh sure, I mean I would call it a background.
Speaker 2: Sure, Oh yeah, background makes sense.
Speaker 1: And then they would just scroll over that one, drawing
Speaker 1: over and over and we all noticed, we all know
Speaker 1: that it was lamp chair.
Speaker 4: Lamp chair.
Speaker 2: Okay, but then you did you moved on to the
Speaker 2: Christmas special? So you already watched it or have you
Speaker 2: not yet?
Speaker 1: It is that one is sweeter, Yeah, that's one is
Speaker 1: less dysfunctional. And I don't know why, but it made
Speaker 1: me cry several times. I also, I I'm not are
Speaker 1: you a Christmas person?
Speaker 2: They? Are you a Christian?
Speaker 4: What is your relationship ship? Like with christ Karen?
Speaker 2: I think he's really hot and I love how good
Speaker 2: of a listener he is. Yes, I have a very strong,
Speaker 2: lifelong relationship with Christ that I keep private. Imagine that
Speaker 2: Christians of the world zipping your lip about your relations.
Speaker 4: In all seriousness. Yeah, me too, me too, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: You know you know, yeah, but that's special. I love Christmas.
Speaker 2: I love I love waiting around to feel the Christmas
Speaker 2: Eve feeling, and sometimes I don't get it till like February.
Speaker 2: It's really weird, especially if, like you know, like losing
Speaker 2: your mom. There's these things that kind of like come
Speaker 2: as speed bumps where then you're kind of like, is
Speaker 2: it wrong that we're having Christmas as Oh, this isn't
Speaker 2: the same, right, And you kind of go through this
Speaker 2: weird you know thing where you're processing Christmas differently. But
Speaker 2: like we were, where was I? I was eating with
Speaker 2: my friend Albertina at the Astro Diner last night and
Speaker 2: that comes on in the background and I go, oh,
Speaker 2: this is my first Christmas jingle. Christmas Carol or that's
Speaker 2: the word I'm looking for, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, Christmas music, sure, Christmas music, Yeah, Carol's
Speaker 1: are you know?
Speaker 4: That's door to door. It's very intrusive.
Speaker 2: That's more of that, didd it. This was like a
Speaker 2: straight up Christmas song, and I go, oh, it's my
Speaker 2: first Christmas song this season, and Albertina goes, oh, you
Speaker 2: haven't been leaving your house. I'm like, oh, you're right,
Speaker 2: we're like well into the teens here. But it was
Speaker 2: the first one i'd heard. And then I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: and then they have a little I just noticed they
Speaker 2: have a Christmas tree here. Like I'm so not an
Speaker 2: outside person right these days that the Christmas spirit has
Speaker 2: not hit me because I'm just in this room on
Speaker 2: this computer.
Speaker 1: I might be more of it because I'd been listening
Speaker 1: to Christmas music at my apartment. I made this isn't
Speaker 1: a tree, but I did make a thing with my
Speaker 1: plant stand nice.
Speaker 2: Oh there's so little Chris put little white lights. Are
Speaker 2: those icicle lights? Are they poist?
Speaker 1: Set point setia as it's spelled and as my mother
Speaker 1: pronounced it.
Speaker 2: That's pretty.
Speaker 1: Last night, the Improv had a Christmas party and I
Speaker 1: kind of went there hesitantly because I knew it did
Speaker 1: be packed, and I wasn't sure, you know, I was
Speaker 1: worried that I wouldn't know anyone. It was the best
Speaker 1: hanging out with Bill Dwyer. He was so fun and funny.
Speaker 1: I was wishing you were there because it was so
Speaker 1: much fun and everyone was in such a good mood.
Speaker 2: Wire is we should have him on. He is truly
Speaker 2: the funniest kid he is.
Speaker 1: He's great, and he's always in a good mood, and
Speaker 1: he always like wants to riff and play games, and
Speaker 1: he makes me feel like a kid again. It makes
Speaker 1: me think of the first time I met him on
Speaker 1: the road featuring for him, and we were just inventing
Speaker 1: games in the condo, throwing frozen peas across the room
Speaker 1: into the He would open the freezer and I'd throw
Speaker 1: frozen peas and he'd try to close it before I
Speaker 1: could get it in there.
Speaker 4: Frozen pie's were everywhere. We were laughing.
Speaker 1: We weren't been drinking, we were just I'm like, this
Speaker 1: guy is the funnest.
Speaker 2: He's the truly the best. He also has one of
Speaker 2: the greatest jokes where he's like he puts up his
Speaker 2: hand and I think at the time he was married,
Speaker 2: but so he had a gold ring on and be
Speaker 2: like Bill Dwyer and then he'd pull the ring up
Speaker 2: and go Bill Dwyre at the mall. Remember that. Like,
Speaker 2: he is truly one of the best comedians if you
Speaker 2: have a chance to see him, you have to go
Speaker 2: see him.
Speaker 4: He's so hilarious. He often says, Bill.
Speaker 2: D Bill at the mall, and he's kind of turning
Speaker 2: at the waste like a weird automaton and showing everybody
Speaker 2: him being single at the mall. He's he's And also
Speaker 2: we used to work. One of my very very first
Speaker 2: any kind of comedy writing jobs was on like an
Speaker 2: internet comedy news show. It was crazy. Me and John
Speaker 2: Matta and Bill Dwyer all work there. And Bill was
Speaker 2: the first of all his jokes. He would just write
Speaker 2: like three pages of jokes that were the whole show. No.
Speaker 2: I was sitting there trying to put ideas together, like
Speaker 2: feeling so terrible about myself, and Bil dwirts jokes were
Speaker 2: just like, okay, well there we go. That's that's all
Speaker 2: we need. He's so good. And then he would do
Speaker 2: stuff like one time he was just gone for a
Speaker 2: while and then I hear him out in the hallway.
Speaker 2: He's like, Karen, hey, Karen, come out here for a second.
Speaker 2: So I go outside and he's not out there, and
Speaker 2: then I look up and he's holding himself up on
Speaker 2: the between the wall and the ceiling like Spider Man,
Speaker 2: like to scare me and it just purely to do it.
Speaker 2: Like and this is a man that had like three
Speaker 2: or four kids. Yeah, he wasn't. He wasn't like a
Speaker 2: college student.
Speaker 1: And last night he was wearing a black velvet sport
Speaker 1: coat with a red like nice dress shirt underneath a
Speaker 1: what looked almost handmade a knit Misfit sweater, a black
Speaker 1: with the giant Misfits skull. Yeah, he couldn't have been
Speaker 1: work but Christmas y. He was Christmas punk rock last night.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm looking around, I'm like, no one
Speaker 1: is cooler than him, because I was close because I
Speaker 1: had my new glasses on, which, by the way, I
Speaker 1: lost last night. I'm trying not to beat myself over it.
Speaker 1: But they got to be in the improv somewhere. Yeah
Speaker 1: they are. They're They're somewhere. They're under I'm after this.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go find them. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: worry about it. But bil Dwyer was the cool his
Speaker 1: style wise.
Speaker 4: He was. He was the winner last night. We had
Speaker 4: so much. Damn all these faces of people.
Speaker 1: I really, even when I do comedy shows, you're not
Speaker 1: hanging out like that.
Speaker 2: No, you're just always coming and going are like, yeah, wait,
Speaker 2: name other people because this is I miss Bildwyer so much.
Speaker 2: Who else was there that I would have find me see?
Speaker 1: Even people like Greg Hahn is this ex marine Like
Speaker 1: he's huge, like Gary Golman, but he used to open
Speaker 1: for Daniel Tosh back when I was doing it, and
Speaker 1: he's the goofiest, silliest comic ever that doesn't use his
Speaker 1: impending stature. He's just ridiculously funny. And I was so
Speaker 1: excited to see him and tell him like, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan of yours and I always have been
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to tell you that, and he
Speaker 1: really appreciated it. It was just all the It was
Speaker 1: a everyone was in a good mood and saying sweet
Speaker 1: things to each other. And that was one of the
Speaker 1: first times, like you and I when we were podcasting
Speaker 1: over the Quarantine, we were like, I promise I'm going
Speaker 1: to go to parties. I'm going to appreciate being there.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say no to things. Last night
Speaker 1: I finally felt like, Okay, everyone is on the same
Speaker 1: page with enjoying being around each other. It was just
Speaker 1: it was just, I mean, even Aaron Pooler von Shannenfeldt,
Speaker 1: the first booker that liked me there was there and
Speaker 1: I was so happy to see her. I was Zoe
Speaker 1: Friedman had been there. It was just the staff there.
Speaker 1: I wanted to see Eddie. I want the text bartender
Speaker 1: Eddie because I haven't seen him in forever. Craig, the
Speaker 1: bartender that used to bartend during your show with April.
Speaker 1: He was there, and he's so funny and fun.
Speaker 2: Oh so nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just had a lot of great interactions, even with
Speaker 1: comics whose names I don't remember because it's been so long.
Speaker 1: I was still hey you, I'm so happy to see you,
Speaker 1: just avoiding names.
Speaker 4: It was so fun, it was that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really put me in the Christmas spirit, which is
Speaker 1: why I asked.
Speaker 4: You about your relationship with christ.
Speaker 2: I went to see Jonathan Richmond last night. Do you
Speaker 2: care about his music?
Speaker 4: I don't not care about it because I don't know
Speaker 4: who he is.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 2: I bet if you heard a song you would because
Speaker 2: he's been around since like late sixties, seventies, and he
Speaker 2: had that song road Runner, road Runna Donna, and he
Speaker 2: has the song and I want to take his place
Speaker 2: straight And it's a song about like this guy's a
Speaker 2: stoner and I'm not a stoner and I want to
Speaker 2: take his place.
Speaker 4: Well I can.
Speaker 1: I don't recognize those songs, but I can tell the
Speaker 1: way you're casually singing them that it might be right
Speaker 1: up my alley.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you know in the movie Something about Mary,
Speaker 2: there's a troubadour guy that walks through and side guy.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, it's him.
Speaker 2: And so he's been around forever and he got this
Speaker 2: kind of like after Something about Mary, there was like
Speaker 2: this peak of like this guy or whatever. But there's
Speaker 2: of course he's like a musician's musician, so there are
Speaker 2: people that have been following him since day one, and
Speaker 2: he is truly his music is so listenable and it's
Speaker 2: so perfectly done. And he's opened with the song that
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell. I think he was making it up
Speaker 2: on the spot, and it was he was talking. He
Speaker 2: just started talking about like like love is in the air,
Speaker 2: but you you have to be available and you can't
Speaker 2: numb out, and we've all numbed out and it's this
Speaker 2: whole thing. But he does it really kind of like
Speaker 2: over dramatically. It's just it was so delightful and he
Speaker 2: started exactly at eight o'clock. He's seventy years old, but
Speaker 2: he's like but you wouldn't know it. You'd think he
Speaker 2: was liked. And he's got like a he plays guitar
Speaker 2: and it's like acoustic, and then he's got like a
Speaker 2: percussionist on stage with him that most dude plays like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what the instrument is, but I would
Speaker 2: say bongo's be in the but it's not. There's a
Speaker 2: drummer that's really furious it's not, but I shouldn't and
Speaker 2: can't Secca. Well, it's like he's just percussion. So he's
Speaker 2: just like the he's backing him up. And he has
Speaker 2: a song called Dancing at a Lesbian Bar that was
Speaker 2: his closer, like everyone knows that one that.
Speaker 4: I've heard that I've heard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just like but it felt it was
Speaker 2: that kind of thing where everyone was very quiet and
Speaker 2: listening so hard, and he was doing all this stuff
Speaker 2: and being very like it just felt like actual art.
Speaker 2: And one of his songs was like people have no shame,
Speaker 2: they they steal everything, and then he just goes into
Speaker 2: a Santana riff, like at first you think he got
Speaker 2: a song stolen from him and that's why he wrote
Speaker 2: this song. And then he just basically ends the song
Speaker 2: by ripping off Santana and it's so funny. Like and anyway,
Speaker 2: the show ended like like at eight forty five or
Speaker 2: eight fifty, we were in the car by nine o'clock,
Speaker 2: where I'm like, this is exactly what I am talking
Speaker 2: about of going to a concert where it's like it's
Speaker 2: almost like you get just a direct injection of like
Speaker 2: beautiful artistry and somebody who's authentic and cool and original,
Speaker 2: and then you just get out.
Speaker 1: Of there's you wanting more. He doesn't over to stay that. Well,
Speaker 1: it's funny that I hope that it part of you.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can feel however you want. But you
Speaker 1: do that to audiences too, and everything you just described
Speaker 1: i've seen you do.
Speaker 2: Uh, thank you. So I.
Speaker 1: Don't I don't know. I know you're taking and you
Speaker 1: can take a break. I mean, my dad said, no,
Speaker 1: I don't paint. I'm gonna paint when I'm retired, and
Speaker 1: he took twenty some years off, and sure enough, you've
Speaker 1: seen how good he was when he picked it back up.
Speaker 1: There's no I'm not adding pressure again. But you you're
Speaker 1: very good and you do that also, and you yeah,
Speaker 1: your songs aren't comedy songs necessarily, but you're funny in
Speaker 1: between everything you just said about this guy, you're a
Speaker 1: truebadore Karen.
Speaker 2: Well, but there's something, you know what it was, I
Speaker 2: think I got to really appreciate because there's people and
Speaker 2: that I think. You know, when you're left to your
Speaker 2: own devices, you tell yourself a bunch of shit that
Speaker 2: you think is like reality, that you're not being, that
Speaker 2: you are prote do a thing you actually can't do,
Speaker 2: or whatever evil voice I have in my head that's
Speaker 2: always just like, don't do that. It's super embarrassing, and
Speaker 2: watching him do that where I'm like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: where I got the idea, Like listening to this guy
Speaker 2: and watching this guy or watching someone like Daniel Johnston,
Speaker 2: watching people who are like I don't really care if
Speaker 2: I'm the best guitar player in the world. I have
Speaker 2: this idea and I think you're gonna like it, and
Speaker 2: that energy itself will work like you can that is enough,
Speaker 2: and you just have to kind of execute that in
Speaker 2: a way that where it's very difficult, that you have
Speaker 2: to be vulnerable enough to kind of like then give
Speaker 2: people that no matter what they're gonna give you back,
Speaker 2: which is this guy has been Jonathan Richmond has been
Speaker 2: like essentially doing that thing around people loving him or
Speaker 2: you know whatever. He doesn't give a shit. He's I've
Speaker 2: seen him three times over the last twenty years, and
Speaker 2: he is the same every time in that energy of
Speaker 2: like he likes to put his guitar down and just
Speaker 2: dance around and people kind of go like at first,
Speaker 2: people go like whoo, like they're playing along almost like
Speaker 2: comment on. But then after a while you're kind of
Speaker 2: like this rules, like this guy loves what he's doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would though, I would like I just was
Speaker 1: imagining if you put down the guitar and started doing that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not it just seems out of character
Speaker 1: for you, but the visual of it just made me happy.
Speaker 4: You started like like a ma like my mom when
Speaker 4: she had some wine, like started essentially just.
Speaker 2: Kind of hands and hips, hands and hips.
Speaker 1: Hands and hips, paper, Yeah, plant table, plant table, just run.
Speaker 2: Like Scooby Doo down around the stage.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's funny because I saw you throw
Speaker 1: it together at the last second. One of my favorite
Speaker 1: songs you did and I'm biased. Of course, was for
Speaker 1: our podcast, but you how did you ever do a
Speaker 1: long version of the my favorite murder.
Speaker 2: Song No I Meant To? And it was like, I
Speaker 2: think the that's so funny because that show was supposed
Speaker 2: to be a placeholder, but it was this thing where
Speaker 2: I was just like, I know what I want this
Speaker 2: song to sound like, so here I'll just give an example.
Speaker 2: And then basically George was like okay, and then it
Speaker 2: was like and then we just were like now we're
Speaker 2: doing it now, like now it's happening, so we're not
Speaker 2: going to go back and find we're not going to
Speaker 2: buy a song or you know what I mean. And yeah,
Speaker 2: So then I think there was a point in time
Speaker 2: where I was like, I should write that as a
Speaker 2: whole song. But then now it's about it's almost like
Speaker 2: it's just a sting. It's just like a little intro.
Speaker 2: It isn't I don't think it is a whole song.
Speaker 1: Well, there is a artist she's I think they it's Texas.
Speaker 1: So she's Female Artist of the Year in Austin, but
Speaker 1: she's married to Guy Forsa Forsyth. This an artist, a
Speaker 1: blues guitarist that I remember went back when I lived
Speaker 1: in Austin, and she did. She sent me a message
Speaker 1: and sent a link to a full length version of
Speaker 1: the song, and it is haunting and sounds like it's
Speaker 1: from True Detective and you have to hear it.
Speaker 2: I it's is that in the box with all my
Speaker 2: other shit?
Speaker 4: Yes, it's one of your gifts.
Speaker 1: But she sent a message and I and I finally
Speaker 1: read it. It's like, please have Karen listen to this.
Speaker 1: And I listened to it and it's so good. But
Speaker 1: she said that on some podcasts. You said, I don't
Speaker 1: know that I could recreate what I did. I don't
Speaker 1: for my favorite murder song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was like I always use a capo
Speaker 2: because I can't do bar chords. And then so wherever
Speaker 2: the capo was is a mystery. I'm sure someone could
Speaker 2: figure it out. And then I know I was doing
Speaker 2: a little hammer thing. I mean, I can only play
Speaker 2: five chords, so it's it's probably a to see something
Speaker 2: like something minor. Maybe I'm not.
Speaker 1: Sure, but I think you'll love here. I'll send you
Speaker 1: Jazz becaud Of it's her name. I'll send you this song, please,
Speaker 1: du I would love to hear it. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: My point is you inspire people as a musician. You
Speaker 1: should do it again if you want. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Geez, yes you thank you. Of course that's nice. I
Speaker 2: like that idea. It's you know what it is. Music
Speaker 2: is just like when people get it right. And I
Speaker 2: feel like this is why so many people love to
Speaker 2: do their own music. It's because, like it is such
Speaker 2: a very specific kind of expression and it is so
Speaker 2: fucking fun if you do it, like you can do
Speaker 2: it by yourself and have a really good time, but
Speaker 2: also the more people that do it with you, then
Speaker 2: there's this like insanely powerful communal thing. Did I tell
Speaker 2: you about that? I did Brian, I did this show
Speaker 2: at Permanent Records Roadhouse and it's called bring your Own
Speaker 2: Cover Band, I think, And so we went and we did.
Speaker 2: They wanted to do PJ.
Speaker 4: Harvey and Brian Cook and those guys. Yep, yeah it's.
Speaker 2: Brian Cook and Wood sure yeah Rick Rick Wood. Does
Speaker 2: Rick have the same last name as Andy Wood? Anyway,
Speaker 2: all the Wood, the entire Wood family is there and
Speaker 2: they're playing woodwinds. But we did win Wood. We did PJ.
Speaker 2: Harvey songs, and I love her. Of course the very
Speaker 2: big deal ninety, Like I had all these nineties feelings
Speaker 2: where I was just like, oh this there's some big
Speaker 2: ship yeah memories here. But one of the songs they
Speaker 2: were like there already picked a couple that they wanted
Speaker 2: to do, and then I was like, guys, we have
Speaker 2: to do Kamakazi. It's like the fucking coolest song of
Speaker 2: all time. When I went to rehearse it them, it
Speaker 2: is like, now I think the drummer's name was Charlie, Shit,
Speaker 2: I can't remember. He's super nice and an amazing like
Speaker 2: he's a touring drummer. He plays with Belinda Carlisle, he
Speaker 2: plays with like all these fucking cool people. He's like
Speaker 2: the real deal, and he goes, I don't even know
Speaker 2: how to say it, but what he's like, this is
Speaker 2: in six six time or six one time. It was
Speaker 2: some insane rhythm that, of course all those guys were
Speaker 2: good at because they're really good musicians and they kind
Speaker 2: of know how to do it when we were practicing.
Speaker 2: But I picked it and I literally was like, I
Speaker 2: don't know where to come in, Like I didn't because
Speaker 2: it was this kind of like you have to hear
Speaker 2: the song PJ Harvey Kamakazi. It's so fucking heavy and awesome,
Speaker 2: and we rehearsed it and we only got to like
Speaker 2: rehearse it three times on one night, and then I
Speaker 2: was like, hey, are we gonna rehearse this again? And
Speaker 2: Brian's like, you got it. It's gonna be fine because
Speaker 2: it's like they they're already doing eight other songs and
Speaker 2: they don't really care, and I'm like, fuck, I picked this.
Speaker 2: I have to get this right. And so I just
Speaker 2: listened to her version over and over and the night
Speaker 2: of we went into that song and we fucking nailed it.
Speaker 2: And it was it felt like I could fly, like
Speaker 2: that feeling of like I know when to start, I
Speaker 2: know this really well now I'm actually singing it. It
Speaker 2: was so fucking cool in this way that I can't explain,
Speaker 2: and it's very much like, you know, it's almost like
Speaker 2: what do they call that, like rock rock camp or
Speaker 2: whatever where people go and pay money to be an
Speaker 2: aerosmith or whatever. That's what it felt like. But it's
Speaker 2: like my friends who are also comics or musicians that
Speaker 2: like to hang out and do it. It was the
Speaker 2: It felt like the best thing I've ever.
Speaker 4: Because I remember you being kind of nervous for that.
Speaker 2: I was fucking shitting. I kind of was like, should
Speaker 2: I tell them I'm sick or have COVID because that
Speaker 2: idea where it's just like the beat was unlike anything
Speaker 2: and I never even noticed before because of course it's
Speaker 2: her song and her doing it, and it all is
Speaker 2: just kind of like, oh, yeah, yeah, I get it,
Speaker 2: and then once you sit there and it's like you're
Speaker 2: getting counted in. I can't explain how. It was almost
Speaker 2: like we were doing fancy jazz. It was so hard
Speaker 2: to follow anyway, and we nailed it night of We
Speaker 2: nailed it, like to a t. It was fucking rap.
Speaker 1: I did a version of Red Red Wine that went
Speaker 1: from Neil Diamond to ub forty and that was in
Speaker 1: my early isn't reggae.
Speaker 4: Hilarious if I do it? God days?
Speaker 1: But I was so nervous, and I wish that we
Speaker 1: had rehearsed more because I had the same feeling with
Speaker 1: my college buddies when we went and did those punk songs.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can all I have to do is
Speaker 1: be confident on stage all the things you were telling
Speaker 1: me to do.
Speaker 2: Confidant, A confidant all.
Speaker 1: I have to do is to be a friend and
Speaker 1: a confidant to these golden girls of mine. That's and
Speaker 1: I felt to do all these old punk songs that
Speaker 1: everyone there recognized from skate videos and they're singing along
Speaker 1: and I look back and these are friends of mine
Speaker 1: that I was all scared and lived in the dorms
Speaker 1: and met all these guys in college. It was there
Speaker 1: were times where I'd be screaming, singing and I was
Speaker 1: my eyes were tearing up. Yeah, it was windy and
Speaker 1: we were outside, so that was part of it.
Speaker 2: Shit.
Speaker 4: I also was very emotional for me.
Speaker 1: And we're we're doing shows again on my birthday weekend
Speaker 1: in February.
Speaker 4: We're doing the.
Speaker 1: The slalom and we rent at a house and we're
Speaker 1: going to rehearse for three days. And I'm not scared
Speaker 1: this time. I'm just excited. So I have had a
Speaker 1: taste of that.
Speaker 2: But yes, it's it's incredible. It is like the fucking
Speaker 2: greatest but also sorry, a bank slalom, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Yes, it is one of the oldest snowboard contests. It
Speaker 1: is a long, kind of rugged slalom course with big
Speaker 1: burms like the walls you know, like race car walls
Speaker 1: that are beveled up, and it's very fast and difficult,
Speaker 1: and it's a snowboard contest that's gone on for like
Speaker 1: almost forty years, if not more than forty. Where is
Speaker 1: it at Mount Baker in Washington. Yeah, so we're running
Speaker 1: up there and we're doing two shows and it's going
Speaker 1: to be packed with people that I assume snowboarding and
Speaker 1: skateboarding are enough of a crossover sport that I think people.
Speaker 4: Will know these songs.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm nervous, I'm also excited, but I really I
Speaker 1: want to consult a voice coach. I got to learn
Speaker 1: at least what I'm supposed to sound like and get
Speaker 1: some tips. It's got to help. What do you think
Speaker 1: should I do that sure? Or should I just practice?
Speaker 2: Well, you can do both, but I think the most
Speaker 2: helpful thing anyone ever took my friend Don Cummings, who's
Speaker 2: the best singer, and he can play the piano and
Speaker 2: sing and it's so impressed. But he's like, you have
Speaker 2: to be breathing big the whole time. He's like, your
Speaker 2: your gut is like a bellows and you're just filling
Speaker 2: up with air and pushing the air back out and
Speaker 2: that like thinking of it that way, because when you're
Speaker 2: nervous and you get excited or whatever, it's all tightening
Speaker 2: and you have to figure out how to stay loose
Speaker 2: and relaxed. Yeah, which is very hard because that's it's
Speaker 2: like the paradox of performing, where like that's the one
Speaker 2: time you're the most harvis. It's so vulnerable to sing.
Speaker 2: It's like so much more vulnerable than comedy. People don't
Speaker 2: understand that. So it's like, so now you're your most
Speaker 2: vulnerable and then you have to be at least as
Speaker 2: relaxed as you can possibly.
Speaker 4: And I know I wasn't doing it one.
Speaker 1: I sing from inside my skull, I go no further
Speaker 1: down than my neck, and all of my vocals come
Speaker 1: from my nasal passage and I pretty much hold my
Speaker 1: breath in between lyrics, so I already know I'm doing
Speaker 1: that wrong and I'm also screaming. But throughout a show
Speaker 1: I started to figure it out. Like at the end,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I sound like I know what I'm
Speaker 1: doing right now.
Speaker 4: I could, yes, because.
Speaker 2: You just need the practice, but also I wonder I
Speaker 2: bet you On like YouTube, you can look up vocal
Speaker 2: exercises and vocal tips like vocal singing, singer tips or whatever,
Speaker 2: because people have that knowledge to give.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did watch some video that have me doing
Speaker 1: like grumbling didgeridoo, like singing in my throat. Yes, I
Speaker 1: don't know what that's for, but I did it and
Speaker 1: it did help, like prime my vocal cords before the show.
Speaker 4: And it's a mink of Australia at the time, which.
Speaker 2: You always is relaxing. It is, I mean, snakes, gigantic spiders,
Speaker 2: relaxing stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kangaroos with razor sharp punching claws.
Speaker 2: Coming up over a hill as you're trying to relax
Speaker 2: and have a picnic. Now you're fighting a.
Speaker 4: King and their kid is staying all of it from
Speaker 4: the pouch.
Speaker 2: And then you're like, do you have the time to
Speaker 2: listen to me wine?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should do old there's Old Green Day in
Speaker 1: some skate videos prior to Dookie. Yes, and I wouldn't
Speaker 1: mind Billy Joel Armstrong, I guess all of Green Day.
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge fan anymore, but they did a
Speaker 1: cover of some misfit song and I watched it over
Speaker 1: and over and over. I just realized they are like
Speaker 1: an amazing band. But it's just not something I grew up. Well.
Speaker 2: Also, they were one of those first kind of like
Speaker 2: a punk band that went to child or.
Speaker 1: Something, did they Yeah, Oh he's like a trained musician,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Like I just thought knew he was from the Bay Area.
Speaker 2: But they went wide as a punk band, which of
Speaker 2: course everyone's like you're a phony. And it was the nineties,
Speaker 2: which was the worst era to live in maybe ever,
Speaker 2: ye with that kind of shit that Kirk Cobain like
Speaker 2: if you try, if you lift a finger to try,
Speaker 2: you're immediately a fraud.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people notice you're trying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, And it's like those guys. Comparatively, they were
Speaker 2: a great band, and they wrote really hooky, great songs,
Speaker 2: and they got a lot of shit for just like
Speaker 2: being popular.
Speaker 1: Yep, totally, that was That's the most anti punk thing
Speaker 1: you can do, is have everyone like you.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, that's right. Well, Well, I like this
Speaker 2: idea of ourt that we're basically going to on this
Speaker 2: podcast transform our years long comedy careers into brand new.
Speaker 1: So lead vocalist, you know I'm gonna get and I
Speaker 1: read these messages, I'm going to get a lot of
Speaker 1: them that insisting you and I collaborate. I'm not read.
Speaker 1: I have to fail on my own first. So the
Speaker 1: answer is no, Karen, I know that you. That's where
Speaker 1: this was leading. Do you want to do a duo?
Speaker 2: Are? I can't handle your intense snowboard punk rock righter.
Speaker 4: It's just a different vibe mine. I'm doing like a
Speaker 4: lil style.
Speaker 2: Your street style does not match up with my art
Speaker 2: teacher crocheted vest PJ. Harvey covers. We'll get there, though,
Speaker 2: We'll come back around. You should actually, once you do that,
Speaker 2: you figure out you should tell Brian cookie you want
Speaker 2: to do one of those, because yeah, Brian and Andy
Speaker 2: love doing like any and all songs.
Speaker 1: Yeah I was they we were talking about it and
Speaker 1: I just didn't follow up.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I do want to do that.
Speaker 2: Because they also do Guilty Treasure, which is super fun.
Speaker 2: That's what are you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one is my favorite.
Speaker 4: Guess of course why I picked UB forty.
Speaker 1: Of course I when Red red Wine comes on, I
Speaker 1: don't have to be on a cruise ship. I will
Speaker 1: enjoy it anywhere, but I have to be very private
Speaker 1: about that. It's famously song people don't like. I guess, well,
Speaker 1: I feel like.
Speaker 4: I love Red red Wine.
Speaker 2: It's here's the thing if you were if you were
Speaker 2: a teen or preteen in like nineteen eighty two, that
Speaker 2: thing was our like Brown Eyed Girl. It was on
Speaker 2: everywhere all the time, like it was constant and you
Speaker 2: couldn't get away from it, and it was this weird
Speaker 2: kind of like it was. It's just so funny. Culturally,
Speaker 2: it's such an odd breakout hit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my sister had their albums.
Speaker 1: Like to me, it was it was a cool like
Speaker 1: English band that yes, you know, knowing about the specials
Speaker 1: and madness, I kind of put it in that category.
Speaker 1: But the video, that video was always on and it
Speaker 1: was insane to me because he's singing about this this
Speaker 1: woman that he's in love with that is cheating on
Speaker 1: him with this other man. But it's the drummer of
Speaker 1: the band. So during the shots where they're actually singing
Speaker 1: the song, the guys just behind them drumming. But then
Speaker 1: they go to these scenes where she's on a date
Speaker 1: with him, and I'm like, just turn around and yell
Speaker 1: at him. He's the drummer. They just should have hired
Speaker 1: an actor out think it was very confused. They should
Speaker 1: they must have made up because now we're singing. They're
Speaker 1: singing the song together. He must not be mad anymore.
Speaker 2: There's a band that I absolutely adore and they're kind
Speaker 2: of like a they're like a comedy band out of
Speaker 2: Ireland called the Rubber Bandits, and they have a song
Speaker 2: called Roshane, I Want to Fight your Father, and it
Speaker 2: is the funniest fucking thing you've ever seen. First of all,
Speaker 2: these guys wear plastic bags on their faces and they
Speaker 2: pull out the eyes in the mouth. But other than that,
Speaker 2: they have a very tightly tied plastic bag on their head.
Speaker 4: That would put me on.
Speaker 1: Edge if I was watching, because we all know that
Speaker 1: is classically how we lose children. Apparently, yes, well, you're
Speaker 1: not supposed to wear plastic bags on your head.
Speaker 2: No you are not. You're not supposed to. Doesn't look good.
Speaker 2: It's disturbing. But during this song, and it's kind of
Speaker 2: like they tried to make it like it's a it's
Speaker 2: a little bit of almost like an R and B
Speaker 2: kind of jam song. It's a very good, funny song.
Speaker 2: But at one point he's singing and he says something
Speaker 2: about I'll pay for your tattoo or something, and then
Speaker 2: in the video in the video. The girl's leaning on
Speaker 2: the thing getting a tattoo on her back, and when
Speaker 2: the camera comes around, she's getting you be Forty tattooed
Speaker 2: on her back in like foot tall letters, and it
Speaker 2: is the That reveal made me laugh for like five minutes.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's the fucking funniest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: She's she just wants you be forty across her back.
Speaker 2: It's so obscure.
Speaker 1: I love in excess. The more time passes is mare,
Speaker 1: I reave visit old songs. I have sort of a
Speaker 1: crouch on Michael Hutchins because I want to be him.
Speaker 1: I want to crawl into him and live him. Sure,
Speaker 1: but he's dead. I know he's dead, but in my
Speaker 1: mind he's still alive. I was at a cell phone
Speaker 1: store one day and this guy had I just noticed
Speaker 1: he was tattooed all over was script and I was
Speaker 1: reading it and it was all his whole body was
Speaker 1: covered in excess lyrics.
Speaker 4: Oh whoa.
Speaker 1: Which at the time, I'm like, that's you're crazy. He's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's my favorite band. I don't think it's crazy anymore.
Speaker 1: I think that guy's awesome. But at the time I
Speaker 1: was like, wait, there's no way you're that into an excess.
Speaker 2: It's a huge commitment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the songs on his arms, I mean it
Speaker 1: looked good. It was written like in typeface. It was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you are covered with information. You're like a digital prisoner
Speaker 1: from the future.
Speaker 2: You're you're digital prisoner from the future. If they made
Speaker 2: prisoners b liner notes in the future.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm what I'm saying is I'm going to
Speaker 1: get a big in excess tattoo on my upper back.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, that's that's what I wanted to hear. This
Speaker 2: wrap into that's your Christmas gift to yourself this year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, give yourself some self care.
Speaker 2: Bill Dwire, Oh I miss him. Also. I ran into him,
Speaker 2: you know, five years ago or something like that, wherever
Speaker 2: it was, and he was exactly the same. Here's what
Speaker 2: I love people like that that are just like, especially
Speaker 2: in la where people come to this town and you know,
Speaker 2: have great things happen to them and then have horrible
Speaker 2: things happen to them, and it's like it is a
Speaker 2: very difficult life to be like I'm going to be
Speaker 2: a comedian and try to make my way. It's fucking rough.
Speaker 2: And Bill has he's been like a game show host.
Speaker 2: He's done it all. He's so so good. Actually, that
Speaker 2: just reminds me I was going to write this fucking
Speaker 2: pilot that he I wanted. It was called The Bill
Speaker 2: Dilan Show, and it was poor man's copyright, although I've
Speaker 2: already written this so you can't steal it. But it
Speaker 2: was a guy who.
Speaker 1: It was recorded. That means, yeah, great, I own it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's copywriting.
Speaker 2: The digital copyright is taking place as we speak, yes,
Speaker 2: but it was it would be bildwire. And he plays
Speaker 2: the host of a variety show in like nineteen seventy two,
Speaker 2: who thinks that Lawrence Welk is a current host and
Speaker 2: he thinks he's competing with him, and so he's a
Speaker 2: local LA variety show host thinking he's like, I'm going
Speaker 2: to get him this week, and he doesn't understand that
Speaker 2: the shows are syndicated and they're from like ten years before.
Speaker 1: And no one telling why is no one telling him
Speaker 1: he's not voicing it in front of others.
Speaker 2: It's basically a behind the scenes chaos show of what
Speaker 2: it would have been like to work on a variety
Speaker 2: show in nineteen seventy two, when like the director, like
Speaker 2: the opening shot is the director. You hear the god
Speaker 2: mic where the director is telling a singer on the
Speaker 2: stage like don't take another step you're on and then
Speaker 2: it's like, because you know, do you remember on the
Speaker 2: Lawrence Welsh. This might be a reference that no one gets,
Speaker 2: but I was obsessed with Lawrence Well from childhood because
Speaker 2: my grandmother used to watch it and she'd be like,
Speaker 2: come in here and watch it with me, and so
Speaker 2: like oftentimes these seventies sets were like it would be
Speaker 2: a big, wide stage and then a woman standing halfway
Speaker 2: up on a staircase that goes nowhere, big curtains as
Speaker 2: far as yes, exactly, big tall, glittery curtains. The orchestra's
Speaker 2: over on the side and she's singing you know, moon River,
Speaker 2: but she's just on this weird staircase to nowhere, and
Speaker 2: it's all very dramatic, and so it's like she's her
Speaker 2: eyes are fully dilated because she's completely on some kind of.
Speaker 4: Pill phancing pills.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and so she's kind of and they're like,
Speaker 2: don't walk up those stairs. And it's the director and
Speaker 2: he's calling the shots, but he's drunk in the control room,
Speaker 2: like with a big.
Speaker 3: Glass of brown liquor, a simpler time. Everyone's smoking, Yes,
Speaker 3: everyone's smoking the entire time. And Bill Dwyer would be
Speaker 3: Bill Dillman. He's the host, so he's like, because wouldn't
Speaker 3: you be the perfect like seventies show host.
Speaker 4: I did you know that?
Speaker 1: I was on an MTV reality show called Seventies House
Speaker 1: where they took these kids and moved them into a house.
Speaker 1: They took away their flip phones. It was a long
Speaker 1: time ago, and Bill was the game show host. Like
Speaker 1: he'd come over and they'd be quizzed about seventies TV
Speaker 1: shows and inventions, and if they got them wrong, they
Speaker 1: got kicked off.
Speaker 4: And I just came over as the neighbor.
Speaker 1: I had a transiam and nunchucks and my hair was
Speaker 1: huge with a mustache. But Jimmy Walker was on it,
Speaker 1: Gallagher was on it. Natasha Lajero was the other host.
Speaker 1: It was like and he was so he had a long,
Speaker 1: skinny mic. I've seen him be a seventies game show
Speaker 1: host on MTV and he was amazing at it.
Speaker 2: He's the fixed. Yeah, he's Bill Dumman.
Speaker 1: And because we met him together, Bill and I more
Speaker 1: in the Loss of Gallagher. Just last night Oh, well,
Speaker 1: we talked about how much he really didn't like being
Speaker 1: on that show. Yeah, he did not enjoy himself, and
Speaker 1: I understood. I understood. They made him wear a hat
Speaker 1: with hair stapled to the inside so it looked like
Speaker 1: his old hair. That didn't probably make him feel good.
Speaker 2: Then don't take the fucking job. Here's the thing, it's
Speaker 2: the word no.
Speaker 4: Get to be honest.
Speaker 1: I know he just passed, but he was so mean,
Speaker 1: he was so mad. Yeah, but God rest him.
Speaker 4: I hope he's well. That's the thing place emotionally.
Speaker 2: This business it breaks people. It breaks people, it really does.
Speaker 4: It's hard. It's not an easy run. But we're doing
Speaker 4: okay with it.
Speaker 2: We really are. And I think in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: this is when everything's going to change. Oh really, when
Speaker 2: it's all going to come together.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go ahead and just just a plants safe.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four is going to be my year. I
Speaker 1: think I need another.
Speaker 2: Just for me personally, just one year of prep. I
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 1: I think as as humanity we will all blossom in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, But for me personally, success will come
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: I'm just putting it out there. I think that's safe.
Speaker 4: One year buffer nice, yeah, perfect.
Speaker 2: I think for for twenty twenty three, I'm going to
Speaker 2: become very limber. That's my thing. A lot of stretching.
Speaker 4: I think that's a good idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need it.
Speaker 4: Do you have rollers? Do you have massage guns?
Speaker 2: No? Okay, okay, I'll get those for I'll ask my
Speaker 2: sister for those for Christmas.
Speaker 1: Because I've been Yeah, I think it's very it's very
Speaker 1: important to just dig those into your problem areas.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, to loosen it up.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But even just a basic, you know, touch your toes
Speaker 2: kind of show. I just I do it sometimes when
Speaker 2: I go into the kitchen, like wait for water to
Speaker 2: boil or something. Then I'm just like, I need to
Speaker 2: be doing this consistently and for an extended period of time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I never have everyone I know stretches before they
Speaker 1: skateboard or do anything.
Speaker 4: I just go and do it.
Speaker 1: And anytime someone has lovingly come up behind me and
Speaker 1: put their hands on.
Speaker 4: My shoulders, they are horrified.
Speaker 1: Their hands retract immediately and they're like, good lord, You're
Speaker 1: like a knotted up stress ball. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm sorry yeah.
Speaker 2: Then don't put your hands there if you don't like it.
Speaker 4: I start, oh my god, driving here.
Speaker 1: There is a place in Silver Lake called Pilates Punks,
Speaker 1: and so with an ax and I slowed down, and
Speaker 1: sure enough it was a plates class and everyone had
Speaker 1: purple mohawks.
Speaker 4: I almost drove the car off the road. So maybe
Speaker 4: I can.
Speaker 1: I assume they're listening to punk rock two, which seems
Speaker 1: like it would defeat the calming purpose.
Speaker 2: But I mean, no, pilates is supposed to be calming.
Speaker 2: That's yoga. The pilates is like you're doing some serious
Speaker 2: stretching and extending of your spine right right, So they're
Speaker 2: just kind of like, yeah, muscles, because sometimes they do
Speaker 2: a thing where like you have to lift your heels
Speaker 2: off the ground and then lift your head off the
Speaker 2: ground and just stay there for three minutes.
Speaker 4: It's hard. Yeah, it is hard.
Speaker 1: And I did it a little bit here and it
Speaker 1: was easy to like cheat and look like you're doing it,
Speaker 1: but I was not doing it all in my core
Speaker 1: or where you're supposed to be focusing on. I was
Speaker 1: just like, you know, using special my own little fallback positions.
Speaker 4: And they I think they could tell I was cheating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's easy to cheat in there and not do
Speaker 1: it properly, and then you don't get the benefits. I
Speaker 1: would leave not sweaty, and everyone else would leave sweaty,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm doing this wrong, and.
Speaker 2: They're like, you're only cheating yourself, and then you can
Speaker 2: turn around and go. If this was nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 2: you'd all be fucked. You could never name your business this.
Speaker 2: Everyone would throw molotov cocktails through your front window.
Speaker 1: They are very punk rock at Pilate's punks oh darts,
Speaker 1: screaming about the queen, and I, uh, okay, can you hear?
Speaker 1: There are my neighbors, and I live up on a hill,
Speaker 1: so it hasn't bothered me too much. They bought a
Speaker 1: gaggle of roosters, and famously I thought that roosters only
Speaker 1: did that in the morning.
Speaker 4: But they do it all day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they think at six am all day until and
Speaker 1: it's dark right now and they're still roostering. I believe
Speaker 1: it's the proper crowing. They're crowing, yeah, and they will
Speaker 1: not stop. Why do people have roosters as pets?
Speaker 4: That's all.
Speaker 2: I just watched a TikTok about how good chickens are
Speaker 2: for like eating compost and they get rid of a
Speaker 2: ton of waste and stuff. But it's hard in the
Speaker 2: city because maybe they're stressed out or something. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I can't hear it though.
Speaker 1: Okay, good, Well that's because I got a good mic
Speaker 1: and I'm using my proper vocal exercises.
Speaker 4: You're drawing deep rell, a lot of heavy breathing.
Speaker 2: We've got We've hit the hour mark.
Speaker 4: We're good.
Speaker 1: I hate to leave it on such a floppy dud
Speaker 1: with that rooster business.
Speaker 4: It's like, hey, you want a non sequitur.
Speaker 1: I got lightheaded this rooster business started coming out of
Speaker 1: my mouth.
Speaker 4: I'm like, why the hell am I going here? You
Speaker 4: know what, I knew you couldn't hear the roosters.
Speaker 2: I couldn't.
Speaker 4: Why bring them up?
Speaker 2: Well, you were just trying to You're just trying to
Speaker 2: find the button. And we do have to allow we
Speaker 2: have to allow for the art to come in.
Speaker 1: I can't believe how much time has passed. You're you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the two of us, but it
Speaker 1: was like you were a fun guest today.
Speaker 2: Jump to a what if you button? What if you button?
Speaker 2: It with your new Year's a new Year's resolution.
Speaker 1: Okay, I am going to therapy and I'm gonna see
Speaker 1: if there are certain pills that I could take that
Speaker 1: make me consistently happy.
Speaker 2: Well, if you find out, will you let me know?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: No, I think that I've gotten enough messages being diagnosed
Speaker 1: by everyone but doctors about this ADHD business, and I
Speaker 1: think that people are onto something the more I think.
Speaker 1: It's the reason I set aside my three hundred dollars
Speaker 1: glasses last night. I do have trouble focusing and the
Speaker 1: times I've not recreationally but just had a bit.
Speaker 4: Of an adderall.
Speaker 1: I am a winning, high performance version of myself, and
Speaker 1: you think that that would.
Speaker 4: Be a clear sign that.
Speaker 1: Maybe I should have it on hand. But honestly, that
Speaker 1: is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna I'm gonna find
Speaker 1: a therapist.
Speaker 2: And that's a great idea though, I mean, whatever they
Speaker 2: prescribe you aside and whatever the results, that's huge.
Speaker 1: I tell other people to do it all the time.
Speaker 1: When we do our ads, we're telling people therapy is
Speaker 1: and I haven't.
Speaker 4: I'm admitting that I'm admitting.
Speaker 1: It to you and better help and everyone I'm I'm
Speaker 1: going to do it and I mean it, and you
Speaker 1: can even follow up, I promise. Okay, it's important that
Speaker 1: whole area.
Speaker 2: Cut that whole area.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I didn't mean to lay a big one on you. Now,
Speaker 1: what's your what's your resolution?
Speaker 2: I have to mind stretching, Okay, Like I think that
Speaker 2: really has to be and I like this idea. Both
Speaker 2: of us are picking out of the comfort zone things
Speaker 2: right where it's it's a scary thing to like figure
Speaker 2: out how to get a therapist or to actually sit
Speaker 2: there and be like, all right, I'm actually doing this
Speaker 2: thing because it's vulnerability with mine. I think it's like
Speaker 2: I want to get to the point where then I
Speaker 2: can go take a class and not feel self right,
Speaker 2: not feel really anything, just kind of go do it
Speaker 2: and feel fine, because right now my comfort zone is
Speaker 2: the only place I feel like I ever exist except
Speaker 2: for like working stuff, but anything else I'm always like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can't go to that. It's too oh I can't whatever,
Speaker 2: And it's like who gives a shit? Like that idea
Speaker 2: is getting to be It's just like I want to
Speaker 2: work on it without the excuse of it's supposed to
Speaker 2: somehow be exactly perfect or like comfortable for me where
Speaker 2: it's like I'm not comfortable doing physical things really anymore,
Speaker 2: and I need to get back to it because I
Speaker 2: used to take pilates classes three times a week, like
Speaker 2: that was the thing that was just like, yeah, you
Speaker 2: have to do it. You have to like move around
Speaker 2: and you remember.
Speaker 1: The older I get it felt good? Right, yeah, oh
Speaker 1: my god, okay, yes you do that. And both the
Speaker 1: things we're planning on doing is caring about ourselves and
Speaker 1: that will make us better people. Even I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: have I'm not even going to have expectations.
Speaker 4: I think just doing those things, yes, well makee.
Speaker 2: It'll be like an adventure. We'll both be having doing
Speaker 2: an experiment on ourselves.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, okay, it's going to be a great twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four.
Speaker 2: You know what it is. I'm gonna start stretching so
Speaker 2: that I can get ready to consistently play Pickleball's that
Speaker 2: is my detailed one.
Speaker 4: I well, I have your paddle.
Speaker 1: It didn't come with the big yellow whiffle ball, but
Speaker 1: I did see it.
Speaker 2: And I can get my hands on one of those.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well I will drop this off before I
Speaker 1: leave Friday awesome.
Speaker 2: Perfect, I love that. Okay, great, all right, well then
Speaker 2: I'll see you soon. Thank you all for listening to us.
Speaker 2: Whether you've been listening for I don't know, has it
Speaker 2: been nine years, or for this last year, if you
Speaker 2: just joined us, whatever it is. Our audience is growing
Speaker 2: and we're not doing anything to make it happen except
Speaker 2: for that you guys are coming to listen, and so
Speaker 2: I just wanted to say we really appreciate you as
Speaker 2: an audience. You're some of the nicest, warmest listeners and
Speaker 2: it's such a it's so fun that we know there's
Speaker 2: people out there that listeners talk about pickleball. Suddenly we
Speaker 2: have the best pickleball paddle in the business. Like that
Speaker 2: kind of support, and Chris gets it all the time
Speaker 2: when he does his live shows. It's just so lovely.
Speaker 2: So thank you.
Speaker 1: It's been every time I do a show and I
Speaker 1: meet you guys, it is it. I get emotional. It's
Speaker 1: we are so lucky that you are all amazing people.
Speaker 1: And yeah, thank you very.
Speaker 2: Much, and thank you Onalis for producing this show with
Speaker 2: us and for being here and supporting us. And you've
Speaker 2: been doing it for a while. I don't think we've ever.
Speaker 2: Thank you on Mike Guest, thanks now, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys.
Speaker 4: I seen that was way better than that rooster shit right.
Speaker 2: We can pull out of any rooster hole you dig
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 4: I'll be like kicking eye, like a chicken and a breadpan.
Speaker 2: With doe picking out doors. Happy holidays, everybody, Happy New Year.
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