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Speaker 1: This this One Bill's Live presented by Calllida Health. How's

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Speaker 1: everybody doing on a Thursday? Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with

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Speaker 1: you here on One Bill's Live. Thanks for making us

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Speaker 1: a part of your afternoon as we in closer to

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl fifty nine, and we should mention that we

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Speaker 1: have a programming note for you. We will not have

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Speaker 1: Monday after today to undoubtedly go over all the happenings

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Speaker 1: down in New Orleans concerning Super Bowl fifty nine. So

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Speaker 1: that's the story.

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Speaker 2: There's a game going on down there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is right, that's right, and we'll get into

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Speaker 1: some related things concerning that in just a second. We

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Speaker 1: should probably start with Bills notes, and the reason why

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Speaker 1: is because it has a lot to do with what's

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Speaker 1: going to go on there in New Orleans tonight, because

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Speaker 1: you have the NFL Honors tonight and there are four

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Speaker 1: Bills who are up for awards. Josh Allen, as we know,

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Speaker 1: is up for League MVP, Offensive coordinator, Joe Brady up

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Speaker 1: for Assistant Coach of the Year, Tamar Hamlin for Comeback

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Speaker 1: the most respected award of them all, the Walter Payton

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Speaker 1: Man of the Year Award. That's fair to say, right,

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Speaker 1: that is the most respected awards.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I would say, yes, that is exactly right.

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Speaker 1: The NFL Honors show airs tonight on NFL Network and

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Speaker 1: Fox at nine pm. So good luck to those guys,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get into our topic of discussion, which is

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Speaker 1: related to these award finalists and awards in general, after

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Speaker 1: the season is over. We'll get to that in just

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Speaker 1: a bit, but we should also tell you college football

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Speaker 1: reporter Bruce Feldman says sources are telling him that the

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Speaker 1: Bills are going to hire former Jaguars and Falcons coordinator

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Speaker 1: Ryan Nielsen as a senior defensive assistant. Nielsen has also

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Speaker 1: been a defensive line coach and co defensive coordinator with

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Speaker 1: the Saints. He did that for six years with the

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Speaker 1: New Orleans organization. So a veteran coach in the NFL

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Speaker 1: ranks and he's going to help on the defensive side

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Speaker 1: of the ball. What do you make of that, Steve?

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Speaker 1: The fact that there is going to be a at least,

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Speaker 1: according to reports, senior defensive assistant added to the staff.

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Speaker 2: I would anticip I would say that. I think they do.

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Speaker 2: As you go down. If you're keeping close eye around

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Speaker 2: the National Football League, every almost every single coaching staff

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Speaker 2: goes through some changes, not all of them, but some

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Speaker 2: of them. And like this, when you hire extra guys,

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Speaker 2: it's like, listen, we need somebody that does it, can

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Speaker 2: do this for a more deficient here, Let's fix this

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Speaker 2: and you find the best guy possible. And a guy

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Speaker 2: who's been in the league as a coordinator at that position,

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Speaker 2: with the Falcons, so it it brings something to the table.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure. Then in their postseasonal meetings and they're you know,

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Speaker 2: Let's get another eye. Who can we get in this?

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Speaker 2: Ryan Nielsen falls into that category, right, you can't. You've

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Speaker 2: always got to keep It's always a good idea, I think,

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Speaker 2: to keep fresh eyes on what you're doing and get

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Speaker 2: that's what this points to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've had senior assistants before, you know. I

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Speaker 1: So it's not like they haven't had senior assistants before.

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Speaker 1: Former defensive tackle in his college days at USC. There

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Speaker 2: Ryan doesn't take that. I'm not trying to insult. That's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go around the NFL presented by Kalida Healthy,

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Speaker 1: official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills. And this news

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Speaker 1: just came in over the last twenty minutes. Bears owner

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Speaker 1: of Virginia Hallis McCaskey, unfortunately passed away today at the

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Speaker 1: age of one hundred and two. The team just made

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Speaker 1: that announcement on their social media channels less than a

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Speaker 1: half hour ago. Missus McCaskey had served as the owner

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Speaker 1: who passed away in nineteen eighty three. Virginia mccaskey's son,

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Speaker 1: not expecting anything to change with regard to Bear's owners.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry there's another one. And other women have played

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Speaker 2: It is loyalty, no question about it. And and there

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Speaker 2: same thing. This is you can It's I get it, Bills.

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Speaker 2: Every other fan base makes fun of every other fan base,

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Speaker 1: He was also I believe it was the Zach Gelb

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Speaker 2: The right thing. Whatever helped, That was the right thing

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Speaker 1: NFL Players Association Executive director Lloyd Howell Junior pushed back

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Speaker 2: The salary cap will go from forty eight point five

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Speaker 2: And the league is posturing as well. It's a two

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Speaker 1: Add Australia to the list of new destinations where an

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Speaker 2: You have to You have to go, like just in

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Speaker 1: They will be playing one another in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: Let's just say Mike Brown doesn't spread the money around.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers. Browns and Ravens are hoping they try and

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Speaker 2: That's kind of they made zero. They did not make

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Speaker 1: I mean, Burrow's like, let's make it happen. It's like

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Speaker 1: make it happen. Let's uh, let's restructure your deal, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: That guy is a dude. T Higgins is a little

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Speaker 2: different but still really good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably a half step below him.

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Speaker 2: And Burrow. You know, Burrow is an old timer. Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 2: You know Bill's fans. Trey hen Hendrickson had seventeen sacks last.

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Speaker 1: Year, seventeen and a half.

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Speaker 2: And the year before that, how many you have?

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Speaker 1: Seventeen and a half.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he had thirty five sacks in two seas, thirty

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Speaker 2: five in two seas. A lot, and that guy's available.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you could get him via trade.

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Speaker 2: You get him now.

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Speaker 1: You have to give him a new deal too, because

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Speaker 1: he's looking for a new deal from Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna be thirty one, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe, Yeah, I think that's right right here.

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Speaker 1: So he's gonna be he's a year older than Miles Garret.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's gonna be thirty one and twenty five.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna be thirty one this year.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, but he's productive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm yeah, you get him.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you gonna need a premier pass rusher.

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Speaker 2: Everybody needs one. Uh yeah, Cincinnati. I mean, Cincinnati's got

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Speaker 2: some decisions to make. I don't know if if you're

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati and I can't I couldn't tell you if I

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Speaker 2: couldn't tell you this because I don't know how they

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Speaker 2: do drafting. Certainly the Bills. You know, Bills fans know

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Speaker 2: Brandon Bean. It's hard for him to get really great

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Speaker 2: players at the top of the draft because they're always

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Speaker 2: drifting drafting twenty eighth or this year it's thirtieth, so

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Speaker 2: it's hard to get a game changer right there. But

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Speaker 2: in the rounds subsequent to that, three, four, five, and six,

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Speaker 2: they get great, really good players. So that's kind of

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Speaker 2: the story with the Bills draft Cincinnati. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you. They have for a long time.

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Speaker 2: They had for a long time draft at the top

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Speaker 2: of the draft a lot, And this is the first

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Speaker 2: time where you've ever seen, in at least in the

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Speaker 2: last thirty years, where Cincinnati has a handful or more

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Speaker 2: of guys who are really elite players and they've got

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Speaker 2: some decisions to make. Do they let a couple of

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Speaker 2: them walk knowing they can draft replacements. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: do they have that kind of reputation. It's a big

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Speaker 2: decision for Cincinnati, and this offseason is going to say

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Speaker 2: a lot. They did not make the playoffs this last year,

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Speaker 2: so running it back to me as good as Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow played and as hot as they were at the

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Speaker 2: end of the season, I don't know. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you earned a chance to run it back.

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Speaker 1: And for years, the Bengals coaching staff was their scouting staff.

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Speaker 1: I mean they were one and the same. I think

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Speaker 1: that has changed, yes, finally, but for the longest time

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Speaker 1: their coaches did their own scouting. So yeah, they were

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Speaker 1: double dues. I believe it's different now.

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Speaker 2: Doing double duty. Yes, their coaching staff was their scouting staff.

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Speaker 2: I mean you can say, well, let's at least the

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Speaker 2: coaches know what they're getting. H is not quite like that.

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Speaker 2: It's cost cutting move and you know, whatever work your

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Speaker 2: offensive staff or defensive staff is doing in the off seasons,

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Speaker 2: try and get together, and they're all spread out, they're

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Speaker 2: all across the country. They can't meet, they can't talk

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Speaker 2: about new concepts, they can't do any of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: So it was it was frowned upon around the league.

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Speaker 2: I thought.

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Speaker 1: Final note in Around the NFL, Jaguars head coach Liam

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Speaker 1: Cohen finally as his offensive coordinator, hiring Vikings chief of

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Speaker 1: special Projects Grant Yadinsky, who is just twenty nine years

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Speaker 1: old but is considered by many to be a rising

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Speaker 1: star in the coaching ranks. Worked very closely with Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold this past season in Minnesota. So Jaguars rounding out

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Speaker 1: their coaching staff after hitting a few bumps in the road,

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Speaker 1: you remember, the Bucks denied them permission to interview a

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Speaker 1: couple of guys that Cohen wanted to bring with him

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Speaker 1: to Jacksonville. So that is that for Around the NFL,

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Speaker 1: presented by Colidea Health. Since this is our last show

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Speaker 1: of the week, the OBL Friday Fan mail Bag is

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Speaker 1: open here on Thursday for any and all of your

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Speaker 1: most pressing Bill's questions or about the NFL, the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: whatever you have in mind. Fired off at us at

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Speaker 1: eight oh three, oh five fifty one eight eight eight

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Speaker 1: five fifty two five fifty Those are the numbers to

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Speaker 1: join us, and we do have open lines for you.

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Speaker 1: We also, since it's the NFL Honors Show tonight, wanted

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Speaker 1: to ask you this as well. How do you feel

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Speaker 1: about postseason awards? I mean, is it? Could you care less?

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Speaker 1: Are you hoping that Bill's players get recognized in some

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Speaker 1: form or fashion? Just curious how you feel about postseason awards?

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Speaker 1: Knowing the NFL Honors show is tonight eight oh three,

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Speaker 1: five fifty one, eight eight eight five fifty two, five

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Speaker 1: fifty those are the numbers to join us, and we

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Speaker 1: do have open lines for you, so we'll take a

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Speaker 1: break here, but we're wide open the rest of the

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Speaker 1: show for your phone calls here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 1: presented by Kalida Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right

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Speaker 1: back here on a Thursday edition. At One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you, and we've got an

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Speaker 1: obl mail bag open for you to submit any question

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Speaker 1: you've got on your mind, either on the phone lines

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Speaker 1: or on the tweetsheet at One Bill's Live, also asking

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Speaker 1: you what's your feelings on postseason awards. Some people are like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you can take them or leave them. Curious how you're

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Speaker 1: feeling about them. Knowing that four different Bills are nominated

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Speaker 1: and finalists for awards tonight for the NFL Honors, which

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Speaker 1: kickoff at nine PM, on NFL Network in Fox. So

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Speaker 1: let's go to the phones at eight oh threeh five

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Speaker 1: one eight eight five fifty two five fifty. We lead

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Speaker 1: off with Tim in Buffalo today. What's up, Tim, Chris?

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Speaker 5: How you guys doing today?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 5: Real quick question, getting back to yesterday very briefly, regarding

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Speaker 5: measurements and ball placement and everything. What I was wondering

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Speaker 5: when the guys come out the chain game comes out

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Speaker 5: to measure for a first down, how do they know

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Speaker 5: where to put the back end stick?

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Speaker 2: They do it from the on the sideline. They have

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Speaker 2: one of the officials. You'll see him go down and

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Speaker 2: he'll put a it's a chain link. They will put

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Speaker 2: a clip, a metal clip on the chain link right

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Speaker 2: at the spot on the hash mark on the sideline

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Speaker 2: where the yard line is. They'll put it there. Then

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Speaker 2: when they go out on the field, he'll put it

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Speaker 2: on the corresponding hashmark and they'll pull it tight from

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Speaker 2: his finger, not from the other stick.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 5: I've always been curious about that, especially now with all

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Speaker 5: the conversation going on about the placement and the other

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Speaker 5: thing is regarding the postseason awards. Really I could take

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Speaker 5: them or leave it. I mean it would be great

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Speaker 5: for Josh to win the MVP, but I'd rather win

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Speaker 5: the Lombardi. So that's kind of where I stand on that.

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Speaker 5: Thanks lot, guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, think tim, Thanks for the call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think everybody like that sentiment for sure.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I think everybody would take a Lombardi over

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Speaker 1: any other award that makes Yeah, I mean, that's kind

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Speaker 1: of that's a done deal, Lucille. I think one hundred

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Speaker 1: people out of one hundred would take that. I'm just

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Speaker 1: kind of curious. You know, you got four finalists from

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Speaker 1: the Bills, and you're like, are you really pulling for

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Speaker 1: somebody like Josh? Obviously a lot of people want to

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Speaker 1: see him win MVP. I'm not terribly optimistic that's gonna

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Speaker 1: happen tonight, but you know, Joe Brady like talk about

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Speaker 1: exceeding expectations. I mean, the team was second in the

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Speaker 1: league in scoring. You had only one receiver back from

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Speaker 1: last year's squad that had caught a pass from Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen Right, the run game was unbelievable. The Bills are

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Speaker 1: the first offense in the history of football. They have

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Speaker 1: thirty passing and thirty rushing touchdowns in a season, so

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of hoping he gets recognized tonight, so we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to John Inuffalo next. What's up John?

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Speaker 7: Hello there, Chris, and uh Steve. I love both of

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Speaker 7: you guys. I think you're tremendous commentators.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate that, and I.

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Speaker 7: Want to I want to give it an award to

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Speaker 7: every Buffalo Bills player on that team this year. They

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Speaker 7: had a tremendous season and uh, we all know that

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Speaker 7: we came a little bit short, but I am so

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Speaker 7: proud of that team, and uh, I love them and

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Speaker 7: I will always wish the best for them as long

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Speaker 7: as they're on the in this league. And I and

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Speaker 7: I and I agree with having awards for the for

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Speaker 7: the recognition of the players.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Well thanks for the calling, John, appreciate

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Speaker 1: that and thanks for listening. Yeah, you know, recognition is

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Speaker 1: a nice thing because you know, as we hear every year,

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Speaker 1: there's third want unhappy teams at the end of the season,

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Speaker 1: only one team is truly happy because they're the one

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Speaker 1: with the championship trophy. So if there's I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I guess some of these awards are consolation prizes in

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Speaker 1: terms of recognition for the season that you had.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's like everything you can you can be

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Speaker 2: really proud of this team. It's a lot of fun

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Speaker 2: to watch this team. It gave us a lot of enjoyment,

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Speaker 2: a ton of good games in this last regular season.

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Speaker 2: Be really proud of the way they overcame or really

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Speaker 2: exceeded expectations from the beginning of the year. And still,

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Speaker 2: you know, we're still disappointed that they came up a

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Speaker 2: game short, one game short, and uh, well two maybe,

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Speaker 2: And that's you kind of that's where you sit, and

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Speaker 2: that's where most of the league sits every year. And

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Speaker 2: you got to you got to appreciate it for how

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Speaker 2: well this team did and how far over expectations they

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Speaker 2: actually did perform, and which they did. I thought that

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Speaker 2: was That's the one thing I'll remember about this this

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Speaker 2: team is how far over expectation they got and they

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Speaker 2: almost got to the super Bowl doing it.

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Speaker 1: To Ryan in Toronto, next, what do you got first?

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Speaker 8: Ryan, Hey, Chris, Steve love the show. I got two

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Speaker 8: things to talk about. Hey, I want to start off

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Speaker 8: when I said yesterday about the fantasy football punishments. The

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Speaker 8: reason why we stopped doing the punishments because we got

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Speaker 8: involved with some of some of these people got caught for,

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Speaker 8: you know, with lawn posts.

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Speaker 9: And then some of the players have kids.

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Speaker 8: Now they oh, daddy, why are you going doing this

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Speaker 8: before Halloween? After Halloween anyway, that's why you stopped doing that.

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Speaker 1: And the mountains after him? Huh you had the mountains

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Speaker 1: after him? I know.

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Speaker 8: Well, you know, people go up, they have kids, whatever,

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Speaker 8: they ask the questions now right. Secondly, this Bowl rewards

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Speaker 8: saying it's gonna be it's a joke. If we asked me,

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Speaker 8: it's gonna end up like the Pro bowt. Nobody's gonna

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Speaker 8: watch it, you know what, They're gonna write it for

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Speaker 8: whatever it is. It he does another top topic but

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Speaker 8: pulls leading at the Super Bowl. That's all? Is it

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Speaker 8: just mainsteam attention grabbing a ward? I think we ask me,

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Speaker 8: that's all it is.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, thinks you can.

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Speaker 2: It's easy, particularly after last year, to be cynical about

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Speaker 2: how they pick the MVP and the Comeback Player of

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Speaker 2: the Year and some of the others. And you can

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Speaker 2: only I don't even know, you can only assume that

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Speaker 2: the Walter Payton Man of the Year and the Offensive

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Speaker 2: Player of the Year and the Defensive Player of the year.

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Speaker 2: Some of the others are equally rife with missus. It's

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Speaker 2: hard to kind of get behind it. Certainly, it's nice

652
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Speaker 2: that the Bills always have a guy or two from

653
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Speaker 2: now this year four who are right at the top

654
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Speaker 2: of all of these categories. But when push comes to shove,

655
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Speaker 2: you look at last year's MVP race, I'll still tell

656
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Speaker 2: you there's no way to Josh doesn't win that award

657
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: last year, and the Comeback Player of the Year last year,

658
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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco wins it after playing six games coming back

659
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Speaker 2: from not being wanted by anybody in the league to

660
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Speaker 2: coming back and playing good for like five games to

661
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Speaker 2: win Comeback Player of the Year instead of DeMar Hamlin

662
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Speaker 2: who came back and oh, by the way, he was

663
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Speaker 2: dead and came back. So you're telling me the guy

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Speaker 2: who came back from being unwanted had a better year

665
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Speaker 2: or more compelling year than Damar Hamlin. So that even

666
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Speaker 2: last year and Josh not getting the MVP last year

667
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Speaker 2: instead of Lamar Jackson, you know, I'll have that debate

668
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Speaker 2: with anybody. He should have won it and he didn't.

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Speaker 2: So it's easy to get cynical about what these postseason

670
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Speaker 2: awards can mean, and how they're picked and who votes

671
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Speaker 2: on him, and what their criterion is. They changed the

672
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Speaker 2: criteria of one of them because it was such an

673
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Speaker 2: embarrassment last year and here we are, so yeah, it

674
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: is important to the players, though, no question about it.

675
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 2: It's a big deal. It's a little piece of history

676
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Speaker 2: of the NFL, and it's nice to be considered in

677
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: it always, even if you are a little cynical about

678
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Speaker 2: how they choose him.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know that Hamlin is even gonna win

680
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Speaker 1: it tonight. I mean, he should have won it last year,

681
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Speaker 1: to your point, did not. He's back in the category

682
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Speaker 1: this year. But I think you know a guy like

683
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow who came back from an injury the previous season,

684
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Speaker 1: Sam Darnald, I mean, those two guys probably have a

685
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Speaker 1: better chance to win it than Hamlin does.

686
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Speaker 2: That's like Sam Darnald will be a little bit.

687
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Speaker 9: More like.

688
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Speaker 1: Reviving his career.

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Speaker 2: It would be more like Joe Flacco. He's stunk, and

690
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: now he didn't stink, he didn't get hurt. He didn't

691
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Speaker 2: get hurt. He's coming back from what he's improving. That's

692
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Speaker 2: what he did. He improved comeback.

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Speaker 1: That's the most improved Player.

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Speaker 2: So you say what you want. Yeah, I'll say I

695
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Speaker 2: said what I said, Darry.

696
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Speaker 1: You did and very eloquently. Let's go to Aaron in Oregon.

697
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Speaker 1: What's up Aaron?

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Speaker 10: Hey, guys, Hey, thanks for talking to me today. I

699
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Speaker 10: wanted to weigh in on a few little things, but

700
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Speaker 10: I'll try to be quick. First, the awards, I do

701
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Speaker 10: usually not care, like I was like Josh was, I

702
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 10: don't care. I just want the super Bowl Trophy. But

703
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Speaker 10: now I do want the MVP Forum since we can't

704
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Speaker 10: have the super Bowl trophy, you know, just for his

705
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 10: Hall of Fame resume, just to recognize him for what

706
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Speaker 10: he did this year in for the past seven years,

707
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Speaker 10: you know. So so I hope that happens for him.

708
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Speaker 10: And then I wanted to do some anti relationship hotline

709
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 10: news for you. I actually volunteered to work this Sunday

710
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Speaker 10: instead of trying to get out of work like I

711
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Speaker 10: was a couple of weeks ago. I was like, I

712
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Speaker 10: do not want to watch this game, Like sign me

713
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Speaker 10: up for work, so I'll be busy. I won't be

714
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Speaker 10: thinking about it.

715
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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 10: Watching watching the Chiefs play, or especially watching the Chiefs win,

717
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 10: is like putting the Basco in your eyeballs, so I

718
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Speaker 10: don't want to do that.

719
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Speaker 1: Well, good on you.

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Speaker 10: Then, yeah, and then I just wanted to ask a

721
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Speaker 10: question if we did want to trade, do we have

722
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Speaker 10: to wait for the new league year or can people

723
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Speaker 10: trade right away right now? Or how does that work?

724
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't believe. I'm trying to remember how long

725
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Speaker 1: the trade moratorium lasts once the deadline passes. I'll have

726
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Speaker 1: to look that up. I don't know that off the

727
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Speaker 1: top of my head. Aeron, Okay, I mean I do

728
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Speaker 1: know that they have to be CAP compliant by the

729
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Speaker 1: start of the new league year, so I'll have to

730
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Speaker 1: look that up. I'll get back to you on that

731
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Speaker 1: when we take a break. I'll take a look at

732
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Speaker 1: that and see what I can find on that.

733
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Speaker 2: Obviously, the rules change when if you do it before

734
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Speaker 2: the new league year, the rules in the CAP are

735
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Speaker 2: all one way, and if you do it after, they're

736
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Speaker 2: a different way. So in some ways it's advantageous before,

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Speaker 2: in some ways it's after.

738
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Speaker 1: But the you have to wait for the start of

739
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Speaker 1: free agency, right, you gotta wait right so March twelfth,

740
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Speaker 1: so the moratorium begins at the trade deadline, which was

741
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Speaker 1: November fifth last year, and you can resume making trades

742
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Speaker 1: the first day of the league.

743
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Speaker 11: Here.

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Speaker 1: Now you can negotiate it and have it all buttoned

745
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Speaker 1: up and done and signed off on between the two parties,

746
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Speaker 1: and then they submit it to the league March twelfth, right, right,

747
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: so you can agree to you can talk about it now.

748
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Speaker 2: You can agree to it today and say we're gonna

749
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Speaker 2: do it on March twelfth. Presto chango, and then you

750
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Speaker 2: just wait and then yes, submit it then. So you

751
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: can do it in principle anytime you want, but it

752
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Speaker 2: has to be on certain milestones of the calendar before

753
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Speaker 2: it takes effect.

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Speaker 1: We have to step aside here we're up against the break.

755
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: But when we come back, we'll lead off with Kenny

756
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Speaker 1: and Indiana and others holding an eight oh three oh

757
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Speaker 1: five point fifty. It's an OBL fan mail bag Thursday edition,

758
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: also asking you your thoughts on NFL postseason awards. How

759
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: do they grab you? You let us know next here on

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Speaker 1: One Bill's All right back here on One Bill's Live,

761
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: Chris brown Steed, you task you with you OBL mail

762
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: bag here is open a day or ely since Steve

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00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: and I will not be on the air tomorrow, we're

764
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Speaker 1: giving the day off after a long season of quality work.

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Speaker 2: There you go. I like the way he's say quality work.

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Speaker 1: There. You gotta gotta come up with some kind of

767
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 1: phrase for it. Right, Let's go back to the phones,

768
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: though was promised into Kenny and Indiana. We got first. Kenny,

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Speaker 1: you're on one bills live.

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Speaker 12: Hey guys, how you doing good? Quality work? Is absolutely

771
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Speaker 12: I mean, you hit it on the head.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll take it checks in the mail.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you man.

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Speaker 12: There you go. I got to say about the the

775
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 12: MVP of War tonight. I am still holding out hope

776
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Speaker 12: for Josh, and the reason why is maybe good sense prevails.

777
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 12: And I know it's the same voters, the AP voters

778
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 12: that do you know, the first team All Pro and

779
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 12: largely the same voters for MVP. But I am hoping

780
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Speaker 12: that they give it that they gave first team All

781
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 12: Pro to Lamar for the sheer stats, and I'm hoping

782
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Speaker 12: that in their hearts they see that the value of

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00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 12: you know, most Valuable Player should go to Josh because

784
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 12: every week he's doing something that nobody has ever done

785
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 12: in the history of the league. So I am still

786
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 12: holding out for Josh. Tonight because Bill fans deserve some hardware,

787
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 12: sang it. I mean, these days it's all about the hardware.

788
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 12: If you don't have the hardware to back it up,

789
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Speaker 12: it all just fades away into public opinion. So that's

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Speaker 12: where I stand on that. And if you don't mind

791
00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 12: talking about the Super Bowl your topic yesterday, sure I am.

792
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 12: I'm rooting for the Chiefs because if they win, then

793
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 12: the Bills can hang their hat all off season on

794
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Speaker 12: the knowledge that we're the only team to beat those jokers,

795
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Speaker 12: and I would like that. So I appreciate the time

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Speaker 12: and I love your show.

797
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: Thanks Ny. That's an interesting perspective, you know, he feels

798
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: that the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl only booie's what

799
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Speaker 1: the Bills accomplished this season, namely the only team to

800
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: beat them.

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00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is that.

802
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: The Broncos beat them, but it was with none of

803
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: none of the start the Chiefs starters in the game,

804
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Speaker 1: including the team meaningless.

805
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 2: So yeah, I get it. I'm yeah, there is that,

806
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: and it's true, there's something in that to to hang

807
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 2: your hat on. And I'll say this too, the more,

808
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: you know, the more success they have, the harder it

809
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: is to sustain there's no question about it. It was

810
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 2: really hard. It's really hard to go back and do

811
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: that again and again and again and then to it again.

812
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: It wears you out, there's no question about it, emotionally

813
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: and from the inside out. And if the Chiefs do this,

814
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: and they do something nobody has ever done, They've got

815
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Speaker 2: to conjure something up to motivate them. They've got to

816
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Speaker 2: conjure something up to come back and have a fifteen

817
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Speaker 2: to one season again, you know, a sixteen o season.

818
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: They got to come back and conjure up the desire

819
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Speaker 2: to be something nobody's ever seen or even imagined. That's

820
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Speaker 2: hard to do, and maybe that will be what finally

821
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Speaker 2: does them in. They just don't have anything else to

822
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Speaker 2: shoot for. I don't know. But up to this point

823
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Speaker 2: they have been the standard by which everybody has chased

824
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Speaker 2: them to which everybody's aspiring to get to. And we'll

825
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Speaker 2: see if they can do that. Nobody's ever gone to

826
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Speaker 2: three straight and one three straight. That's big, and the

827
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: Chiefs could do it. And if they do, you kind

828
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: of think, well, what's left for him? You know, there's

829
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Speaker 2: a little bit of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it would be harder. It's like, you've

831
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Speaker 1: already done what nobody else has done. What are you

832
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Speaker 1: gonna do?

833
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: And let me tell you something. When you say, well,

834
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Speaker 2: let's go back and win another one, then you think

835
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Speaker 2: about It's like it's like going to take months and

836
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Speaker 2: months and I gotta work hard.

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Speaker 1: I gotta sustaining that.

838
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Speaker 2: To do something, to do something else that nobody else

839
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Speaker 2: has done, do I have to, you know, keep piling

840
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Speaker 2: it on. It's like, is that is it really worth that?

841
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Speaker 1: I kind of want to take a break now.

842
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 2: That way, I've said it a lot, it's hard to

843
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 2: play pro football. It's fun, but it's it hurts, buy

844
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Speaker 2: and large. And to jump back into that after you've

845
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Speaker 2: done something like something of a gargantuan over three years

846
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Speaker 2: that they've done, it'll be difficult for them. I'm not

847
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: saying they can't do it, and I'm not saying they won't,

848
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Speaker 2: you know, say all the right things about being motivated

849
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Speaker 2: to do it and all that, but man, oh man,

850
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Speaker 2: that is a gargantuan task.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to rich in Cheek de Wogan next. What's

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Speaker 1: up rich.

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, thanks for taking my call. Sure a quick

854
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 4: question on the salary cap.

855
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Speaker 1: Sure, I was just wondering.

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Speaker 4: No, I love Dawson Knox, but Dawson Knox is making

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Speaker 4: a lot of money as a second tight end and

858
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Speaker 4: to free up some space. What do you guys think

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Speaker 4: of that Davidson down on the practice squad, if he

860
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Speaker 4: got more reps and all that, that's my question. I'll

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Speaker 4: hang up and wait for your answer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're more likely probably to restructure Dawson

863
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Speaker 2: than to get rid of him or cut him.

864
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he costs you more to cut him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they might restructure him and give him

866
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Speaker 2: some money now and so get rid of his cap hit.

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Speaker 2: And I'll say this too, if knowing what Brownie and

868
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: I known what we see in this building, if Davidson

869
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: was a viable option, he'd already be playing, no matter

870
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: what the money said.

871
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: I mean, he did get called up three times this

872
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 1: season when Kincaid was out injured, Davidson was didn't really

873
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: factor much into the passing game. And the problem, I

874
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: shouldn't say problem. The reason, the main reason why Davidson

875
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: is on the practice squad and can't crack the fifty

876
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: three man roster is partly because he's got two tallented

877
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: players at his position in front of him. The second

878
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: part is he's a little bit of a one trick pony,

879
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: really good route runner and pass catcher, but doesn't do

880
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: a lot of the other things required of a tight

881
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: end in this offense exceptionally well. So if he can

882
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: work in the offseason on rounding out the rest of

883
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: his game to get at least within striking distance of

884
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: what he does best, which is run and catch the football,

885
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: well then yeah, maybe he does have a better chance

886
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,879
Speaker 1: of getting on the fifty three man roster, But right

887
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: now his game is not as complete as the other

888
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: guy's on the roster, and that includes Quintin Morris, who

889
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: does do a lot of the dirty work at the

890
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: tight end position. So yeah, I agree with Steve restructure

891
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: probably the avenue you take with Knox, And look, let's

892
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: not forget this. Coach McDermott and Brandon Bean spoke glowingly

893
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: of Dawson Knock and his impact on this team. We

894
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: talked a lot this season about MATC. Collins being a

895
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: glue guy. You want to talk about a veteran leader

896
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: in the locker room, Knox is up there among the

897
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: top three or four players in the locker room from

898
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: a leadership perspective, and that is something that, as we

899
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: know all too well, is not lost on coach McDermott

900
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: at all.

901
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 2: It's almost the point where Dawson. They talk about Dawson

902
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 2: like he's a rare dude who makes other players better

903
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: just because of his presence on the team. He's a

904
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: great example. He talks to guys. He's a leader, being one,

905
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: a guy that people want to be like. You know,

906
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 2: they want to emulate his work ethic, they want to

907
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 2: emulate his attitude, they want to his attitude and his

908
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: persona motivates other guys to be better. Those guys are rare,

909
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: and that has to go into the mix of what

910
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: his value is, and I think it does. That's why

911
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: they extended him in the first place. He became one

912
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: of those guys, So I think that's something you have

913
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: to look at as well. His value goes beyond what

914
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: he's on the field, because there are other guys on

915
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 2: the field who are playing their best in part because

916
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: of Dawson knocks. So that's kind of the the atmosphere

917
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 2: that a culture kind of brings to the table. And

918
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: I think they value Dawson a little bit more than

919
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: the money that they're paying him because of that, or

920
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: they pay him the money they're paying him, they extended

921
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: him because of that kind of presence he has in

922
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 2: the locker room. I'm not saying that's the only reason,

923
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: but I'm saying it is in the mix, and it

924
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 2: is part of his value.

925
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: Break time for us here as we are at the

926
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: top of the hour, but hour number two will continue

927
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: with your phone calls. The OBL Mailbag is open for

928
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: any and all questions on the Bills or the league

929
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: at large? And how do you feel about these postseason awards?

930
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: Can you do with them or without him? You let

931
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: us know next open lines through you at eight h

932
00:49:48,160 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: three oh five fifty here on One Bill's Live. This

933
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: One Bills Live, presented by Calllida Health. All right now

934
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: number two here on a Thursday, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker

935
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: with you, just days away from Super Bowl fifty nine.

936
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: But Steve and I will not be with you tomorrow.

937
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: We got the day off, so we're making the OBL

938
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: mail Bag today. Any question you have on the Bills

939
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: or the league at large? Fire away at eight oh

940
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: three oh five fifty one at eight five fifty two

941
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: five fifty Also with the NFL Honors Show tonight. We

942
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: wanted to get your take on where you stand on

943
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: postseason awards. Like him, hate him, could care less? Let

944
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: us know. Eight oh three, five fifty. We're gonna go

945
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: back to the phones and to Jennifer in Batavia. What

946
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: do you got first? Jennifer, Hi, guys, I.

947
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 3: Think you're great. I watched your show all the time.

948
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 3: I'm so glad to get a chance to say my

949
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 3: little event here or whatever you want to call it.

950
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 3: I think they worth a great I think they should

951
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 3: keep going with that. My thing I want to say

952
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 3: is that I think that the MVP player obviously should

953
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 3: be Joshua. My thing is, I just don't really know

954
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: exactly how they determine that. I mean, I hear. One

955
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 3: thing I noticed is that the yardage that he's slightly

956
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 3: a little behind on that. But I just was wondering

957
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 3: if his everyone eats mantra maybe possibly could not be

958
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 3: holding him back from getting MVP because he maybe didn't

959
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 3: get as much yards as see for example, mahomies like

960
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 3: he's not it's not a king's like, man, I'm seeing that.

961
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 3: I just was wondering, because he's so excellent. We all

962
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 3: know that, and I think that maybe he had concentrated

963
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 3: a little bit more on trying to run for that

964
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 3: touchdown as he did for the previous three years. Could

965
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 3: that maybe be a game change? I just want to

966
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 3: know what the formula is on all that.

967
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 2: Well, it's a good question, Jennifer. There's some circles who

968
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: would tell you because Josh didn't have an All Pro

969
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 2: or a big time guy outside that he did more

970
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 2: with less. Right, he had a great year with guys

971
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: who were not All Pro, who didn't have any amity

972
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: Pro Bowlers. James Cook was a second team Pro Bowler.

973
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: Other than that, it was Josh and just a bunch

974
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: of quote finger quotes, just a bunch of guys, had

975
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 2: a ton of injuries. Kincaid was hurt, Coleman was hurt,

976
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 2: Samuel was hurt. They didn't get Cooper until late in

977
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: the sea. The only guy he had all year was Knox,

978
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 2: Cook and Shakir those three guys, and none of them

979
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 2: are Pro Bowl All pros. So there's a circle of

980
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: thought that we will tell you Josh should be MVP

981
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 2: because he did more with less and just the opposite

982
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 2: for a guy like Lamar who had nine guys on

983
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: the in the Pro Bowl off his Baltimore's team. So yeah,

984
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 2: here's the thing. Lamar is a unique athlete and he

985
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 2: always gets attention, and plus they're a great organization. They

986
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 2: win a ton of games. And in fact, the fact

987
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 2: they won a ton of games is the reason he

988
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 2: won it last year, not because of his own individual play.

989
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: Josh dwarfed his numbers last year, but they gave it

990
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: to Lamar because their team was the one seed and

991
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: now this year they were the three seed, and Lamar

992
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 2: still might win it because now he has stats like

993
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 2: Josh had last year, or had stats in comparison to

994
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,479
Speaker 2: other guys like Josh did last year. So now they're

995
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: you know. So that's why it's frustrating for a guy

996
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 2: like Josh to sit there and do it two different

997
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: ways really well, and then have him change the you know,

998
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 2: change the goalpost, so to speak. There's no telling why.

999
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: And here's the thing. This year, Lamar's numbers are off

1000
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 2: the charts. They had a great offense. You saw it

1001
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 2: with Derrick Henry and stuff. But even so you can

1002
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 2: make the argument with Derrick Henry as a generational talent

1003
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 2: and the other guys around Lamar Lamar should have had

1004
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 2: a great year. So that's the formula why they pick it.

1005
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: They got fifty writers picking it. Whatever formula they give them,

1006
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 2: they're going to give it who they want to give

1007
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 2: it to anyway. So there you have it.

1008
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: I think the way they get to Lamar over Josh

1009
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: and this is just an educated yes on my part.

1010
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: Josh had the lowest passing yardage total since twenty nineteen,

1011
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: with thirty seven hundred yards passing. It's also his lowest

1012
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: passing touchdown total since twenty nineteen. Now, part of the

1013
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: reason for that is he sacrificed personal statistics for the

1014
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: betterment of the offense, which was a far more balanced attack.

1015
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, a lot of the

1016
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: low red zone carries that he usually handled went to

1017
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: James Cook this year in an effort to take some

1018
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: hits off of Josh's body, which I think was smart.

1019
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: And he still finishes with twelve rushing touchdowns this year

1020
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: and a receiving touchdown which was given to him based

1021
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: on the lateral from Cooper against San Francisco when he

1022
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: dove with the pylon. So he still finishes with forty

1023
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: one total touchdowns on the season, but Lamar, even with

1024
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: Derek Henry in his backfield, passes for over four thousand yards,

1025
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: passes for over forty touchdowns, and only has four interceptions.

1026
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: So he's got fewer picks than Josh by two, more

1027
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: passing touch by thirteen, and more passing yardage by a

1028
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: factor by a little over three hundred something yards. And

1029
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: so for the for the writers that stick to the stats,

1030
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: they're probably gonna lean Lamar. Whether we feel that's right, wrong,

1031
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 1: or indifferent, that's just the way I believe they are thinking.

1032
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree with it, but I think that's

1033
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: where a lot of them are going to come down.

1034
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 2: It's certainly feasible for Lamar to win the MVP this year,

1035
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 2: no question about it. He had a fantastic year. Their

1036
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 2: team was a juggernaut offensively, and they and you know,

1037
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 2: with Derrick Henry and the whole thing. The travesty was

1038
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: last year when Josh should have won it and they didn't. Yeah,

1039
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 2: that's the ridiculous nature of it. And it's the same

1040
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 2: thing last year when they give the Comeback Player of

1041
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: the Year to Joe Flacco and not DeMar Hamlin's They

1042
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 2: changed the rules because it was so such an embarrassment.

1043
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,879
Speaker 2: The MVP was an embarrassment last year too. This year,

1044
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: Lamar actually should win it because he's it's kind of

1045
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 2: the same thing as Josh did last year. Now they're

1046
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: getting back on track and they'll give it to Lamar

1047
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: like they ve him the First team All Pro probably,

1048
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: But Josh is You know, when you talk about value,

1049
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 2: there's no way you're gonna convince a Bills fan or

1050
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 2: any fan at large that Josh wasn't more valuable to

1051
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills than Lamar was to a team that

1052
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 2: had Derrick Henry rushing the way he did. It's easy

1053
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: to make the argument that, you know, I mean, how

1054
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: good would Baker Mayfield have been in that offense? How

1055
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: good would any of these players been in that offense?

1056
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 2: You know, Russ Wilson would have been good in Baltimore,

1057
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 2: So justin fields, I mean, you can make a list

1058
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: on a long list of people who would have had

1059
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 2: a really good season in Baltimore. Maybe not a Lamar

1060
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 2: Jackson season, but a really good season. You have a

1061
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: hard time making that argument about Josh Allen the Buffalo.

1062
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: Bills to Bobby in Buffalo next, what's up, Bobby Hey?

1063
00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 6: Sir, how you doing today? Good? Listen. I want to

1064
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 6: talk about this because I feel that, I really feel that, uh,

1065
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 6: the MVP honors is going to come down to three people,

1066
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 6: not just only Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. You know,

1067
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 6: but both of them had phenomenal years. Okay, I give

1068
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 6: I give credit. I give credit to where credit is due.

1069
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 6: Both of them had phenomenal years. But guys, I don't

1070
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 6: want you to forget about Saint Kwon Barkley. Look at

1071
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 6: Saint Kuon Barkley of Philly, Say Kwon Barkley just he

1072
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 6: just wrecked havoc throughout the NFL this entire year. Okay,

1073
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 6: Please don't forget about him, Okay. And I would not

1074
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 6: be surprised. I would not be surprised surprised if a

1075
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 6: running back gets the MVP. Okay, now that's my first thing. Okay,

1076
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 6: But I want I want you guys to answer me this. Now.

1077
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 6: I do I do see, I do see Miles Garrett

1078
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 6: as on the market. How would you feel about this?

1079
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 6: How would you think the Bills defense would improve if

1080
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 6: they picked up a player like Miles Garrett? Okay, I'll

1081
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 6: let you guys answer that question. Oh God, bless. Have

1082
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 6: a good day.

1083
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks Bobby, Thanks Bobby.

1084
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, good call. Yeah, you're right, Saquon is in the mix.

1085
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: It's hard for a running back to get into conversation

1086
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 2: these days with the way the league is structured and

1087
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: the back seat that it's taken. It's also you got

1088
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 2: to think about two. There's two of them. Derrick Henry

1089
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 2: had a fantastic year too, but he didn't have a

1090
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: Saquon year. He had a great year. But Saquon had

1091
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 2: a superlative year in every in every way. I'm looking

1092
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 2: down the numbers right here. Saquon had one, two, three, four,

1093
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 2: four games where he didn't get one hundred yards in

1094
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: the fifth and a fifth game that he got ninety

1095
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 2: five yards in five games out of the seventeen he

1096
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 2: did not have one hundred. Twelve games he had one

1097
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 2: hundred yards rush plus and one he had two fifty five.

1098
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: He averaged one twenty five a game.

1099
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 2: He had one that was his average. Two he had

1100
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 2: two games where he was one over two hundred, one

1101
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 2: that was over one hundred and seventy. I mean, the

1102
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 2: guy was a monster, an absolute monster. He had touchdowns.

1103
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 2: He had how many touchdowns did he.

1104
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: Have he had fifteen total thirteen rushing down He loses

1105
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: a lot of rushing touchdowns because of the play that

1106
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: they run at the goal line, which is the sneak

1107
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: with Hurts. So thirteen rushing touchdowns may not seem like

1108
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: a fat number, especially when you know the Bills had

1109
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: James Cook with sixteen, But it's because they run that

1110
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: play with Hurts all the time.

1111
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: I'll say this to Saquon on a team that was

1112
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 2: already very good, Saquon was the difference maker on that team,

1113
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 2: and that's hard to do as a running back in

1114
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: this day and age of throwing the football all over

1115
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: the yard. And his also and you're seeing it, we're

1116
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 2: watching it here is in the game against LA where

1117
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 2: he snapped off a bunch of long plays. That's the

1118
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: thing that's different. His ability to take him deep in

1119
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: the running game is rare in this day and age.

1120
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: It's very good.

1121
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 2: Explosive plays in the running game are really hard to

1122
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 2: get and Sequon was doing it every week. So yeah,

1123
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 2: I all listen to it. I don't have a problem

1124
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 2: with that he had, And listen, he's not very far

1125
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 2: away from setting the all time regular season postseason in

1126
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 2: one year of setting the all time rushing record for

1127
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 2: regular and postseason in one season and taking it away

1128
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: from Eric no No Davis, the Denver running back Terrell Davis,

1129
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 2: who rushed for like twenty four hundred yards in one

1130
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 2: regular and postseason or something like that counts counting playoffs altogether.

1131
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 2: So it's he's in. He's on the verge of doing that.

1132
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 2: I hear you got he's in the conversation.

1133
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but let's not forget he rushed for two thousand

1134
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: yards and sat out week eighteen. Yeah, didn't even play

1135
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: week eighteen.

1136
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 2: And you're right, And Bobby, I don't know if you've

1137
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 2: been listening to the show, but yeah, we've been talking

1138
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 2: about Miles Garrett for a couple of days now. Yeah,

1139
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: he's he's a game wrecker and the bit I think

1140
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 2: the Bills probably could make a legitimate offer for him.

1141
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 2: I don't know that they could make the top offer

1142
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: for him when another team really goes out and does it.

1143
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: He's a premiere difference maker. He's a force multiplier for

1144
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: your defense because he would make life on the back

1145
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: end for the guys that are covering a heck of

1146
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: a lot easier because of the pressure he can generate

1147
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: on a consistent basis on obvious passing downs, and even

1148
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: when it's not an obvious passing down, the guy brings pressure.

1149
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 1: He's got fourteen sacks each of the last two years.

1150
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: I think there's only two players that had more sacks

1151
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: in their career in their twenties. One of them is

1152
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: Reggie White, because Garrett's twenty nine and he's got over

1153
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 1: on undred saxon. They were only two other players that

1154
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: got to one hundred sacks in their twenties. One is

1155
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: Reggie White and the other one escapes me right now

1156
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: as to who it is.

1157
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,320
Speaker 2: I saw that too, and I can't remember his name either.

1158
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't Bruce, No, it wasn't so it was uh oh,

1159
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: it was Jared Allen. Jared Allen was the other pass rusher,

1160
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: the only other guys that had one hundred sacks in

1161
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: their twenties. And Garrett went over one hundred this year.

1162
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: So and he doesn't turn thirty until December, so he

1163
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: could break the record, which I think Reggie White has.

1164
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: So yes, he would be a gigantic difference maker. Let's

1165
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: get back to the phones and let me see who's

1166
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: been waiting here. The longest tier. It's Jerry and Ken Moore.

1167
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: What's up, Jerry.

1168
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 13: You know, I don't have a problem with Lamar winning

1169
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 13: the MVP, but my problem might be with last year. Statistically,

1170
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 13: if you combine the two years for both quarterbacks, Alen

1171
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 13: threw for two hundred more yards. He threw for one

1172
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 13: more touchdown pass he took. He threw thirteen more interceptions.

1173
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 13: He rushed for seven hundred fewer yards. He rushed for

1174
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 13: eighteen more touchdowns. He had one more receiving touchdown. But

1175
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 13: here are the two stats no one talks about. He

1176
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 13: gave up twenty six fewer sacks and lost six fewer fumbles.

1177
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 13: If you add all those stats up, how can one

1178
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 13: of them at the end of that have two MVPs

1179
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 13: and one have none.

1180
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get you, I agree with you. That's where

1181
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 2: I'm at.

1182
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 1: Two.

1183
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I'm at too.

1184
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: I think the bottom line is they dinged him for

1185
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: his eighteen picks last year because I can't come up

1186
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: with anything else. Jerry. I mean, I think you're preaching

1187
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: to the choir here, but I personally think the narrative,

1188
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: what was the narrative all last year? Oh, he's a

1189
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: great player. But he makes costly interceptions and cost his

1190
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: team games. And let's think about last year, more than

1191
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: three quarters of the way through the season, the Bills

1192
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: were six and six, and they're like, man, he's costing

1193
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: his team games. Look at a They're a five hundred team.

1194
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,439
Speaker 1: Why because Josh throws interceptions? That was the narrative last year.

1195
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: You think they're gonna give an MVP to a guy

1196
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: who threw eighteen picks. Probably not. That's that's the thing

1197
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: that I think they dinged him on last year.

1198
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 2: They gave it to a guy who didn't who scored

1199
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 2: thirty points himself during the year, and took it away

1200
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 2: from a guy who scored ninety. And I'll say it

1201
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 2: again at the end of it all. I know it's

1202
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 2: a regular season award, but in the regular season, in postseason,

1203
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 2: when you all take it all into count, Josh Allen

1204
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 2: had more touchdowns and the exact same number of interceptions

1205
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 2: as not only the MVP, but the MVP and the

1206
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 2: Comeback Player of the Year combined. Josh had more touchdowns

1207
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 2: than the same number of interceptions as the MVP and

1208
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 2: the Comeback Player of the Year combined, and he had

1209
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 2: way fewer sacks and fewer fumbles, and he scored. He scored.

1210
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 2: He was a machine scoring points last year. So I'm

1211
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 2: and that was after having to switch coordinators in the

1212
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 2: middle of the year. So I'm yeah, the league, the voters, oh,

1213
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 2: josh in apology for twenty twenty three, and they're not

1214
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 2: going to do it tonight, I don't think. But yeah,

1215
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 2: it's that. That's why I'm kind of cynical about these

1216
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 2: postseason awards. Today.

1217
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: We can tell let's get back to the phones and

1218
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: to James up in New England. What do you got

1219
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: for his James?

1220
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 11: I was going today, gentlemen, A couple of It's a

1221
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,919
Speaker 11: couple of things I've been looking at this year and

1222
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 11: moving on to next year. I mean, Steve, there's nobody

1223
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 11: to ask better than you about special teams that looked

1224
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 11: like covering punts was a big challenge for this team

1225
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 11: this year. That's that's number one, number two, you know, Coleman,

1226
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 11: I mean, yeah, yeah, modest numbers. Modest numbers is a rookie.

1227
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 11: I don't know about separation long term with him, meaning

1228
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 11: separation downfield. I didn't see a lot of that this year,

1229
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 11: which which obviously is a direct reflection for Josh having

1230
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 11: a rolls was write a lot to buy some extra minutes,

1231
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 11: seconds or whatever. I just be a good number one.

1232
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 11: Uh would open up the tight ends in the middle

1233
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 11: of the field because they know no one's going deep

1234
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 11: and we keep the defense honest and uh, yeah, those

1235
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 11: are my points. That's kind of what I saw this year.

1236
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 11: And uh, I'll hang up and miss and thanks guys.

1237
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: All right, thanks James.

1238
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 2: To address the Yeah, the punt coverage, Listen, it's always

1239
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 2: a challenge to cover punts. It's hard. They're kick You're

1240
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 2: kicking the ball to a guy who's an elite athlete

1241
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 2: and he's gonna have as much space as they can

1242
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 2: give him. Yeah, it's always going to be a struggle.

1243
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 2: And you got it. And there's there's things you can

1244
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 2: do too that I see.

1245
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: I don't.

1246
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: It's not just the Bills. I see around the league

1247
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 2: guys making some mistakes and they don't follow the right rules.

1248
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 2: They don't they don't have the ability or the wherewithal

1249
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 2: to make the right decisions in the moment, because that's hard.

1250
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 2: And I've said it a lot. The best return guys

1251
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 2: in the league aren't the ones necessarily they're all gifted.

1252
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 2: Every guy that's back there returning punts is a special athlete.

1253
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 2: They don't put that's that's your ticket to get in.

1254
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 2: I mean you have everybody's got one. Everybody's got a

1255
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 2: guy they can put back there that's gifted. The difference

1256
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 2: in between the good returners and the bad returners is

1257
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 2: decision making. It's from the neck up. Do they have

1258
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 2: space to run it? Can they set them up? Can

1259
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 2: they get loose? And once they get the ball in

1260
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 2: their hands, they got space? Do they know what to

1261
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 2: do with it? Do they know when to fair catch it?

1262
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 2: Do they know when to let it go over their head?

1263
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 2: Do they know when to fake a fair catcher? They

1264
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 2: know when to draw them off without taking the fair catch.

1265
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 2: All that stuff goes into it, and it's hard to

1266
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 2: cover punts. For myself, there's there's only like two things

1267
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 2: you need to teach guys about covering the rest of

1268
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 2: it's on the players. I don't I don't hold Matt

1269
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 2: Smiley to I don't want to hold him hostage. For

1270
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 2: the guys who don't know how to run down and

1271
01:08:55,560 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 2: tackle a guy, it's not complicated. So yeah, it's always

1272
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 2: a struggle to cover punts because you got to it's

1273
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 2: hard to find the right guys who have the right

1274
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 2: mentality to do it, and reps help. You get a

1275
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 2: lot of guys that come into the NFL they don't

1276
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 2: ever cover, they've never covered, not even in high school

1277
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: did they cover punts. In fact, you got offensive linemen

1278
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 2: in the NFL who probably returned punts in high school

1279
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 2: because of that kind of athlete. That's the way it is.

1280
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't.

1281
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 2: Get guys like that in the NFL. So it's a

1282
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 2: struggle to find the right guys to do it, and

1283
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,560
Speaker 2: you can't. You don't always have them on your roster.

1284
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: Right and to that point, and I don't know if

1285
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: you'd be surprised by this, James, but they finished sixteenth

1286
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: in the league in punt coverage this season, twenty eighth

1287
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: in kickoff coverage, which is not good enough. But I

1288
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 1: think what has gone by the board. Everybody talked about

1289
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: Buffalo's defense and all the players that were lost off

1290
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Speaker 1: of that unit. You need to think about the players

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Speaker 1: that were lost from Buffalo's special teams unit Core special

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Speaker 1: Team Tyler Matakaevich, Tyrel Dodson, and Saran Neil. Those three

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Speaker 1: players were core special teamers for years on this squad,

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Speaker 1: three years at least for all three of them, core

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Speaker 1: special teamers, and they're off the roster and they were

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Speaker 1: largely replaced by rookies. You know, we're talking about players

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Speaker 1: like Eddie Ulefosio, Joe Andreeson, players of that ilk were

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Speaker 1: asked to replace veteran stalwarts on cover teams and look,

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Speaker 1: those guys did their darndest to be as effective as

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Speaker 1: they could be. On top of the fact that it

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Speaker 1: was in a year where the kickoff play was completely new.

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Speaker 1: So I think if you take all of those factors

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Speaker 1: and weigh them out, I think you'll understand why there

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01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: was somewhat of a drop off ineffectiveness of play week

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Speaker 1: to week from what this special teams unit used to

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Speaker 1: be in terms of veterans who are experienced and used

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Speaker 1: to playing with one another, yet guys literally learning on

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Speaker 1: the job week to week.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's always a struggle. That's why you see

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Speaker 2: teams that have guys who've been there for a minute,

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01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 2: like Medikevitch is a guy who's kind of hangs around

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Speaker 2: as a special teams guy.

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Speaker 1: He's made his career being a special team.

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Speaker 2: And You've had guys over the course of the years

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Speaker 2: here in Buffalo that do that, and most teams do

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01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 2: that because those guys have some experience. It's hard to

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Speaker 2: learn to do it well, and you've got to want

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Speaker 2: to do it well. You've got to spend time thinking

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Speaker 2: about it in meetings and looking film and learning lessons

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Speaker 2: to get good at it. And it all starts from

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01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 2: a desire to do it. And as strange as some

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01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 2: people might think, these guys come in the league. Everybody

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01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 2: wants to be an All Pro wide receiver number one,

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01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 2: or a cornerback number one, or best nickelback, or they

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01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 2: want to be the best linebacker or whatever. They don't

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01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 2: want to just play. They don't want to be just

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Speaker 2: in the NFL. They don't want to be just on

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Speaker 2: the team. They want to be in their position. And

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Speaker 2: when you tell them you can have a career in

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01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 2: the special teams if you just work at it and

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01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 2: work at it hard, some of them say no or

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01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 2: say yeah, I'll do it, and then don't you know,

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Speaker 2: they go through the motions of it. They don't really

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Speaker 2: apply themselves. As crazy as it sounds, they're guys who

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Speaker 2: have lost their careers as special teams players in the

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Speaker 2: NFL because they didn't want to be a special teams

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Speaker 2: player in the NFL. It's that simple, and it's hard

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01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 2: to find guys like that who are willing to throw

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Speaker 2: themselves into it and have the kind of season that

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Speaker 2: Mac Collins had, you know that have the kind of

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Speaker 2: seasons that Taiwan Jones had at times, and Tyler Metakevitch

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Speaker 2: cam Lewis, all those guys, they don't want any part

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Speaker 2: of it. So there you have it, and you end

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01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 2: up with guys who you hope get the job done

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01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 2: on a play to play basis. Here, I mean, you're

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Speaker 2: you're sitting over there watching them, all right, You get

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01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 2: over there saying, man, just don't mess this up for us.

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Speaker 2: You kind of get on that kind of mentality. That's

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Speaker 2: no place to be.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Brett in Arizona here before the break.

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Speaker 1: Let me pull him up here. What's up, Brett?

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Speaker 14: Hey, jentlemen, how are you doing?

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Speaker 10: Happy Thursday?

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01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,519
Speaker 14: Really quickly picked a couple of points and then I'll

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Speaker 14: hang up. Obviously listen to you guys. But with the

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Speaker 14: awards ceremony thing, the one that would really kind of

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01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 14: bug me a little bit, and this might be a

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Speaker 14: personal side just for me, but if they gave DeMar

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Speaker 14: Comeback Player of the Year, I feel like it would

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Speaker 14: be like an apology award. You know, Hey, sorry we

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01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 14: messed up last year.

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Speaker 10: That's that's just my opinion.

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Speaker 14: Everybody else could you know, can have their own, but

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Speaker 14: that's the only one that really kind of, you know

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01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 14: what would irk me. I would love to see Josh

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Speaker 14: at the MVP. If he doesn't, we all know he's

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Speaker 14: here for a Super Bowl. He says that many many times.

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Speaker 14: But you know, the other thing I want to talk

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Speaker 14: about was we hear all off season about how Khalil

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01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 14: Shaker works out with Eric Moles, and Khalil seems to

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01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 14: be the one who gets the most separation with the

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Speaker 14: wide receivers, you know, out of our out of our group,

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01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 14: do you see the team maybe having the wide receivers

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Speaker 14: go work out with Eric or maybe bringing Eric in

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Speaker 14: because of the success that we've seen with Khalil Shakir.

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Speaker 14: I mean, because that's something that the team would would

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Speaker 14: look at doing. I'm not saying to replace the wire

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Speaker 14: receivers coach. I'm just saying maybe to bringing man is

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Speaker 14: kind of like an advisor thing. You know, I'd just

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Speaker 14: like to hear what you guys think about that. I

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Speaker 14: appreciate you and I hope you both have a great rest.

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Speaker 15: Of your day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Bright, no problem, Thanks for the call. I would

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Speaker 1: I would say regarding the awards, Yeah, comeback Player of

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01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: the Year. If DeMar gets it, it will feel like a

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01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: like a make good decision. Yeah, hey man, we screwed

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01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: this up last year, so here's our makeup call. Yeah,

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01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 1: we'll feel like that, which is unfortunate because you know,

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Speaker 1: the person that wins that award should be deserving. Not

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01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: saying that Lamar doesn't deserve it, but the circumstances are

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01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: far different now than they were last year, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's what kind of taints it. And it's no

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01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: fault of DeMar. It's the league's fault. They dropped the

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01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: ball or the voters dropped the ball.

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Speaker 2: Drop the ball.

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01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then know, as far as.

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Speaker 2: Players in the off season, with molds and stuff, players

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01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 2: players get to go their own way in the off season.

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Speaker 2: Now there will be exit interviews and they'll say, hey,

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01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 2: like Keon Cole McK on, you need to work on

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01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:12,760
Speaker 2: your route running. You've got to find a way to

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01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 2: get more separation at the top of your routes. You

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01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 2: got to do that. They'll have those serious conversations, and

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01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 2: it's up to the player to go out and seek

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01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 2: help and seek coaching and seek advice and in whatever way,

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01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 2: shape or form me has Now the coaches can certainly

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01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 2: say hey, uh, and I'm sure Khalil Shakir has probably

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01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 2: told Keon say, I work with the molds. He's great,

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01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 2: I'd love you should come work with us.

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01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: Uh.

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01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff happens. It's hard to get under

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01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 2: get that kind of routine under your feet. And after

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01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 2: just one season in the NFL, you're still trying to

1414
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 2: figure out what you're gonna do with your paychecks, and

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01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 2: you're still trying to find out where you're gonna live

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01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 2: in the off season, who you're gonna stay with, where

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01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 2: you gonna you know, where are you gonna post up

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01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 2: and start working out? Uh? What are you gonna do here?

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01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 2: And what about your and your wife or your girlfriend?

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01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 2: How are you gonna handle your personal life in relation

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01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,759
Speaker 2: to your training? Where am I gonna eat? Who's gonna

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01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 2: cook my? You've got a million things to do by

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01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 2: getting your life because these guys are in college and everything.

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01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 2: You go to the go to the cafeteria every day,

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01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 2: and so they got all this stuff. They got to

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01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 2: get together. And once they do that, then you know

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01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 2: they're trying to do that the season starts. Now they're

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01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 2: in year two. Then after year two when they've already

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01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 2: got all this offseason stuff. Now, that's why in year three,

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01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 2: after that long off season, in the second off season

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01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 2: where they've got it all smoothed out, they take off

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01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 2: and they really get better. That's what Keon Coleman is

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01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 2: up against in his first off season here. He's got

1434
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 2: to find a way to get his life smoothed out

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01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 2: so he can just spend time with a guy like Eric.

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Speaker 2: And there are other guys that I love e. Eric's

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01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,040
Speaker 2: great and he knows what he's doing. He's one of

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01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 2: the old time great He was a Hall of Fame

1439
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:51,400
Speaker 2: caliber player who played on a drought team. He knows

1440
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 2: what he's doing. But there are other guys like him. Yeah,

1441
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 2: and it's up to these players to seek those guys

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01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:56,759
Speaker 2: out and get better.

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Speaker 1: And we should mention that separation ability has been Here's

1444
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: calling cards since he came into the league. All due

1445
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 1: respect to Eric and him helping out Khalil, But Khalil

1446
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: knew how to separate before he got with Eric.

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01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 2: Khalil's not working on separation with Eric molds, He's working

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01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 2: on everything else. If you don't work on what you're

1449
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 2: good at, you work on what you're not good at.

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01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,840
Speaker 2: Same thing with Keon. He doesn't have to work working

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01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:20,640
Speaker 2: on fifty to fifty balls. He has to work on

1452
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 2: getting clear at the top of the route.

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Speaker 1: Break time for us here, more of your phone calls.

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Speaker 1: When we come back. We'll lead off with Mike in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: Here on a Thursday edition of One Bill's Live, presented

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Speaker 1: by Killide hell Fit's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back

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Speaker 1: here on One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve tasking with you,

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01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: and I'll get right back to the phones where we've

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01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: got people waiting for us. And as promised to Mike

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01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. First, what do you got for us?

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Speaker 2: Mike?

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Speaker 15: Hey, guys, I are you Yeah, Steve, I feel the

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01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 15: pain today. I feel like Josh is getting skimped out

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01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 15: on some stuff. Maybe twenty three, but we all know

1465
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:08,680
Speaker 15: it's a team sport, so I just feel like if

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01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 15: we would have had better team success against some of

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01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 15: these that they put us on the map. But my

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01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 15: question to you guys is we need to get better

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01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 15: at pass rush. That's no secret if we want to

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01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 15: compete with Mahomes. And I know Miles Garrett's out there,

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Speaker 15: and I always thought he was an option going into

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Speaker 15: the offseason, and now it's public that he is. But

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Speaker 15: the other person that I thought was Michael Parsons. And

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Speaker 15: with me, I know Miles Garrett's a legendary Hall of Famer,

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01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 15: bona fide stud I just feel more comfortable going in

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01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 15: and allocating money and assets for a guy like Parsons

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01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 15: just because he's a little bit younger. I mean, I'd

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Speaker 15: be fine with Garrett.

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Speaker 12: But that's just my opinion.

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01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 15: Maybe I'm a little jaded from the von Miller contract

1481
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 15: that we just didn't yield the results that we wanted.

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01:18:58,080 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 15: But I just wanted to get your guys just thought

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Speaker 15: on obtaining Parsons if possible.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that Parsons is unhappy in Dallas.

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01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he's gonna be playing on his fifty

1486
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: year option this year to the tune of twenty four million.

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01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 1: He wants an extension. I would think Dallas would be

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01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,799
Speaker 1: working on that He's one of their three best players

1489
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 1: on the roster, and clearly their best defensive players.

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01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:24,560
Speaker 2: He may be.

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01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:27,600
Speaker 1: They're also going to probably lose de Marcus Lawrence to

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01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,000
Speaker 1: free agency. He's also thirty two. He's not the past

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01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 1: rusher he was. They got to keep Parsons. He is

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01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,839
Speaker 1: their future. I mean, you don't have Parsons your defense,

1495
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna struggle mightily. It already struggles struggle this year.

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01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 1: They're giving up forty points at home.

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Speaker 2: Listen, Mike and Pa. Yes, I would rather have Micah

1498
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 2: Parsons than Miles Garrett, but it's close. And the other

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01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 2: thing is you got a shot at getting Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, you have no shot at getting Micah Parsons,

1501
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 2: absolutely zero none. Dallas will not part with him. It's

1502
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 2: like asking the Bills to trade Josh. They ain't gonna

1503
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 2: do it.

1504
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see it happening.

1505
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 2: They ain't gonna do it.

1506
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 1: He's entering the prime of his career now.

1507
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 2: Absolutely, to me, he would be untouchable for any team

1508
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 2: in the NFL at at any price.

1509
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 1: And even though the Cowboys have done some pretty silly

1510
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,599
Speaker 1: things the last couple of years, I don't think they're

1511
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 1: that foolish.

1512
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 2: Jerry ain't gonna do it. Uh so, yeah, yes, you're right.

1513
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 2: Michah Parsons. Yeah, we jump on that, just like we

1514
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 2: jumped on Miles Garrett for sure, But Michah Parsons is unavailable.

1515
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:39,439
Speaker 2: I would think at any price.

1516
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not to mention the fact that when he

1517
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,839
Speaker 1: does sign a new contract, he will reset the market.

1518
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 1: You pay the tip top of the market for that guy.

1519
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:53,200
Speaker 1: He's twenty five years old, second contract, top of the market.

1520
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 2: Money, is a dominant player, top to market money. So

1521
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 2: so yeah, I'm I'm kind of with Brown. If you

1522
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 2: could he if you could sign him to deal and

1523
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 2: you could get the Cowboys to say, yeah, I'd do it,

1524
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:05,600
Speaker 2: But I'm not.

1525
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 1: Those are multiple ones you're giving up for that.

1526
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 2: I'm not. You're not getting him.

1527
01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 1: Ye, I don't think that would happen.

1528
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 2: You're not getting it.

1529
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna try to sign him to an

1530
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,719
Speaker 1: extension down there to Will in Buffalo next. What's up? Will?

1531
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 6: Hey?

1532
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 16: Will?

1533
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 11: Sorry?

1534
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 2: I'm Will.

1535
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 16: How you doing good?

1536
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 9: So my point was about Damar Hamlin basically, and how

1537
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,600
Speaker 9: people say like he deserved it last year and not

1538
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 9: this year. But I actually honestly think like this is

1539
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 9: the year he probably does deserve the Comeback Player of

1540
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 9: the Year award because the guy started in the AFC Championship.

1541
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:43,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, he went.

1542
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 9: Two years ago to being a starting safety in the

1543
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 9: nf AFC Championship. Yeah, And I'd rather see him get

1544
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 9: the award for his actual play on the field than just,

1545
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:02,719
Speaker 9: you know, just being on the team.

1546
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: The team. Yeah, No, that's a valid point.

1547
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 2: He wid he accomplished more this year as a player

1548
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 2: than he did last year in his first year back.

1549
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,680
Speaker 1: I guess you could argue that his comeback took two

1550
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 1: years to do what was necessary on the field, and

1551
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 1: I think we've heard DeMar say more than once that

1552
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: just getting back into the flow of the daily routine

1553
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 1: of being an NFL player took all of last season

1554
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 1: for him to accomplish, and only this year did he

1555
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 1: really feel like every day was routine. Again. It's a

1556
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 1: great till you could make that argument, will take. I

1557
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:35,280
Speaker 1: think it's a fair argument.

1558
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 2: But I don't It's a year to year award, So

1559
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 2: I don't know how you go back two years and

1560
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 2: say he's a comeback Player of the Year now. But okay,

1561
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 2: it makes some sense no question about it. And I'm

1562
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 2: I'm all for Lamar Damar winning it. I'm all for

1563
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 2: Damar winning it. He deserves it more than anybody I know.

1564
01:22:57,040 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 2: We'll see if he does.

1565
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 1: To Mike and Lakawa, what's that Mike?

1566
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 7: Hi?

1567
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 16: Guys, how are doing good?

1568
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 8: Hey?

1569
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 11: Uh?

1570
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 16: I want to I want to bring my uh two takes,

1571
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:15,160
Speaker 16: but I'm gonna bring my first take on these special teams.

1572
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:20,719
Speaker 16: And I know Steve Tasker was a special team's guru

1573
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 16: and should be in the Hall of Fame. And I

1574
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 16: really believe that's going to happen. I just don't know

1575
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 16: exactly when, because I don't think these writers are too

1576
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 16: freaking smart right now. But anyways, Special Teams is about

1577
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 16: staying in your lane and not pursuing the ball. It's

1578
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 16: staying in your lane because I played football and I

1579
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,719
Speaker 16: learned it that way. But what I see, at least

1580
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 16: at the Bills, but I see it with a lot

1581
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:59,559
Speaker 16: of teams is they converge on the football and not

1582
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 16: on the lane. If they stay in the lane, there's

1583
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 16: no openings. There's no openings. And I would and I

1584
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:13,839
Speaker 16: would bring that into the same theory as a defensive end,

1585
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 16: a defensive ends job is to box, and Steve, you're

1586
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 16: in my age group, so you knew when you played

1587
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 16: football that they taught you when you're playing defensive end

1588
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 16: that you box. And by boxing, it allows the running

1589
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 16: backs to run through the line and not to the outside.

1590
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 4: Uh.

1591
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:38,679
Speaker 16: But then my last point is going to be uh.

1592
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 16: The guy that just called you uh two times ago

1593
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 16: from uh from from uh from Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, brought in,

1594
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 16: brought brought up the same thing that you know. I'm

1595
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 16: the name I'm gonna tell you right now because I

1596
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 16: tell you it every single day. Von von Miller has

1597
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 16: the highest pressure rate of almost any player in the NFL.

1598
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 16: And yes, we brought him into sack and he doesn't

1599
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 16: have the numbers sack wise that he used to have,

1600
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:21,639
Speaker 16: but he still has the pressure rate. And I would

1601
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 16: take the pressure rate.

1602
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 4: Now.

1603
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,640
Speaker 16: Would I give him twenty four million? No, but I

1604
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 16: would still redo his contract. He wants to stay in Buffalo.

1605
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,640
Speaker 16: I'll tell you again. He bought a house in the

1606
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:39,759
Speaker 16: Orchard Park and it's gorgeous and he's not planning on leaving.

1607
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 16: So anyways, I'm kind of like getting out of my

1608
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 16: car right now, So would you keep me on while

1609
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 16: you explain this.

1610
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:51,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean, Mike, that's all well and good,

1611
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 1: and I know his pressure rate was very high at

1612
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 1: the end of the year. But there's also the business

1613
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 1: of football that they have to take care of, and

1614
01:25:57,960 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 1: the Bills are going to have to make some moves

1615
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 1: to create enough cap room to make the additions to

1616
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 1: the roster they feel are necessary. And if Vaughan's willing

1617
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: to take another haircut, well, then all right, maybe he

1618
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: is here. But he took an eight and a half

1619
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 1: million dollar haircut last year. He may have to do

1620
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:17,600
Speaker 1: it again this year if he wants to stay on

1621
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: the roster. Because they're not cap compliant right now. They've

1622
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 1: got to make some more moves to get under the

1623
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 1: cap this year. Maybe not as many as they did

1624
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 1: last offseason, but they have to make some this year.

1625
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:33,520
Speaker 1: And usually older players with the higher salaries are the victims.

1626
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm not predicting anything, but I'm just saying. I'm just

1627
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,680
Speaker 1: telling you how past business has been done. So I

1628
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: don't know that he's a lock to be on the

1629
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 1: roster next season.

1630
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 2: Right and that's right. It'll be up to him whether

1631
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 2: he wants to be a part of it. Certainly, the

1632
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 2: bills will bring him back if he's if he's there

1633
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:58,920
Speaker 2: for the right at the right price, and you know,

1634
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 2: that's that's what it comes down to. Certainly he's not,

1635
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 2: you know, bereft of talent. I mean, the guy still

1636
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 2: still helped, no question about it, But I don't know that. Yeah,

1637
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 2: and whether he bought a house in No p or

1638
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 2: not is irrelevant to the big picture. If he doesn't

1639
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,080
Speaker 2: have a place to play, he's not gonna play it.

1640
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 2: And I'm sure the bills would be a minimal to

1641
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 2: bring him back in much in probably an expanded role

1642
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 2: than where Micah Hyde was this year. I don't think

1643
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 2: Vaughn's gonna come back and get on the practice squad.

1644
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 2: But if he comes back, and particularly for a guy again,

1645
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 2: if he can, if he's wanting to come back from

1646
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 2: a veteran minimum your nuts not to bring him back

1647
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 2: or make him some you know, there's a.

1648
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:39,719
Speaker 1: Way to do it. Yeah, it's gonna be unconveyed.

1649
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 2: But that's gonna be up to Vaughn whether he wants

1650
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 2: to play again. And he's gonna have a limited role

1651
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 2: at his advanced age. He's gonna be a mentor, he's

1652
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 2: gonna help the young guys on the roster, and that

1653
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 2: means you're gonna have to beat You're gonna be down

1654
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 2: another guy at another position if you're gonna keep Vaughn around.

1655
01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:54,679
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of things that go into

1656
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: that decision, because do you want to gobble up a

1657
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: roster spot with a guy that's gonna play fifteen snaps?

1658
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 1: Is he a mean bull to being on the practice

1659
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:03,639
Speaker 1: squad like Michah Hyde was this past year. Those are

1660
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 1: things that all have to be weighed out. Gotta take

1661
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 1: a break closing it up next year on one Bill's Live.

1662
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:27,840
Speaker 1: All right back here. On one Bill's Live, First Ground,

1663
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker and saw some interesting interviews down at the

1664
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 1: Super Bowl this week. One was on the Scoop City

1665
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,879
Speaker 1: podcast with Diana Rossini and Chase Daniel. They were interviewing

1666
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: Chop Robinson, rookie pass rusher for the Dolphins, and he

1667
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,639
Speaker 1: was asked when was his welcome to the NFL moment,

1668
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: and he credited Dion Dawkins for giving it to him.

1669
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 1: Let's listen in.

1670
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,680
Speaker 17: He gave me my welcome to the league moment. I

1671
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 17: mean both games, he gave me a welcome to the

1672
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 17: league moment. I was just going to get every single player.

1673
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:56,680
Speaker 17: I lined up on him and he was just terrorizing me.

1674
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 17: Like I didn't think seeing him on a film he

1675
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 17: moved good. But when you're out there on the field

1676
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 17: and you're going to get some he moves just as

1677
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:04,160
Speaker 17: good as I can get off the ball. So he

1678
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 17: was definitely the guy that gave me my walking to

1679
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 17: the league.

1680
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 2: I mean, he talks a lot, so was he saying

1681
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:09,799
Speaker 2: things that is he chirping at.

1682
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: You a lot?

1683
01:29:10,120 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 17: Yeah, he wasn't terping too bad. He was just saying

1684
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:13,600
Speaker 17: you gotta get off a little bit faster, or you

1685
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 17: got to do that better. But it was just a

1686
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:17,040
Speaker 17: fun and competitive game going against him.

1687
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 1: That's it for That's just about it for us. But

1688
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:22,879
Speaker 1: high praise, I mean it comes from a division opponent.

1689
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 1: You don't usually hear that kind of praise coming from

1690
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 1: a division opponent, but there it is.

1691
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:29,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dion is he's a really, really good left tackle.

1692
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:32,919
Speaker 2: The Bills are lucky to have him, and he loves Buffalo.

1693
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 2: It's a it's a good spot for him to be

1694
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 2: in it. He's not the first guy to give kudos

1695
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,679
Speaker 2: to to Dion this week down to the Super Bowl.

1696
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and one thing to remember about voting tonight. Most

1697
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,519
Speaker 1: first place votes don't always get it done. Second place

1698
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 1: votes count two. We'll see if it makes a difference

1699
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 1: for some of the bills tonight. We'll see you on Monday.