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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat. It is Wednesday, the second of

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Speaker 2: December twenty twenty. It is time, donks, ladies and gents

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Speaker 2: for Morning Combat. Hi everyone, my name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm from CBS Sports, Showtime, a bunch of other places.

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Speaker 2: best coast. It's Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian, how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Luke.

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Speaker 4: I am quarantined, so I'm not seeing the sights of la.

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Speaker 4: There'll be no hanging out with javas or jerks for me.

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Speaker 3: But I hear not for you. Though not for you, bro,

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Speaker 3: little bonus, little bonus content this week. All right, I

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Speaker 3: hear there's a little there's a little birdie in my ear.

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Speaker 2: We shall see, but for now we have bigger fish

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Speaker 2: to fry. You are out there for let's see Ring

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Speaker 2: City and the fights are not tonight, they are tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Are any fights of notes for our audience's sake that

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Thursday, nine pm Eastern, NBC Sports Network.

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Speaker 4: Brandon the Canon Adams, former Contender Season five winner Boxino

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Speaker 4: veteran fought Jermal Charlow and lost that title opportunity. He'll

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Speaker 4: be in the main event against late replacement Sonny Duverson.

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Speaker 3: It should be some good fights.

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Speaker 4: And your boy the beij one on the call along

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Speaker 2: See and also, are you in the same hotel. How's

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Speaker 2: as folks know, Wednesday is a no Jay Wednesday. But

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Speaker 2: I think he did upgrade your travel kit? Is that right?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, my man kit. Yes it's working up to

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Speaker 3: We're comming, Luke, Luke, We're coming.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, we have the documentary. Hey, when is your

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Speaker 4: MK content this week, where you not only get that Luke,

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you, Luke, they don't. They don't. They don't

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Speaker 4: But you know, look, there's a lot of there's there's

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Speaker 2: Yes, fuck Jake for now and forever. Okay, Well, with

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Speaker 4: The ship be sinking here, Luke from the idea of

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Speaker 3: Do we build a tighter bubble? How do we fix this?

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Speaker 3: But Luke, I went to the interwebs.

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Speaker 4: You ever hear of a guy, famous laptop steeler and

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Speaker 2: All you got to do is test positive. Man, that's it,

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong. BC. I don't know what the future holds,

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Speaker 3: And the quality of fights.

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Speaker 3: Form of normal. See you over the summer and fall.

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Speaker 4: But what are we going to do though, Luke, if

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Speaker 4: I'd like to retain it because the beauty of this

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Speaker 4: We originally said, hey, if you're Leon and you really

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Speaker 3: For real.

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Speaker 4: There was legit opportunity in there for him to make

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Speaker 3: So it really depends on how much it took out

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Speaker 4: Let's make it happen, because I feel like on both

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fair point. I would again, I would

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Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, and let's get a couple of things straight here.

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Speaker 4: The coms out argument was a hipster one. He can't

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Speaker 4: Don't like when people make certain hipster argument Ember when

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Speaker 3: No, it's not like he had a great year.

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Speaker 4: And it's the same argument luke for me of why

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Speaker 3: If Figuredo doesn't fight again, he wins it.

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Speaker 4: I think he's got the best body of evidence right now.

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Speaker 3: I think he's the second best.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, you could this this could be his time.

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Speaker 4: This could be his era unless Figuredo goes out there

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Speaker 3: Now he's your club out. Who are we missing, Luke?

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Speaker 2: We're missing somebody, all right, it's a good question. I'm

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Jan Blohowitz Luke is the other one in

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Speaker 2: Okay. I would have said if Justin Gaigie had Beaten

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Speaker 3: No, it goes back to the mosviital debate.

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Speaker 4: If someone's winning titles and defending I'm doing it's it

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Speaker 3: It really does.

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Speaker 3: I think that's your number three.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be. It could be. There's not really

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Speaker 4: Hey, you give that man four times to get finished,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna give it to him. Luke, do you hold

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Speaker 2: Not like other people do? Not like other people do?

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Speaker 2: who both have similar records. One's twenty and oh, the

435
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Speaker 2: other one's twenty and oh. Ones defended this title five

436
00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,840
Speaker 2: times and the one's defended his title five times, So

437
00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,200
Speaker 2: then how do you separate the two? If at all possible,

438
00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,680
Speaker 2: you have to look at how well they did against

439
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Speaker 2: those oppositions and if one guy has decision including splits

440
00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,800
Speaker 2: in there, and the other one has you know, second, third,

441
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,359
Speaker 2: first round finishes, you have to give the nod to

442
00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,119
Speaker 2: the person provided they are, you know, reasonably similar levels

443
00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,320
Speaker 2: of difficulty in terms of the strength of schedule. You

444
00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:13,600
Speaker 2: got to give it to the guy that did the

445
00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,520
Speaker 2: better work. Now, obviously I'm not comparing out a sign

446
00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,040
Speaker 2: in any one particular regard here to another fighter. I'm

447
00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,040
Speaker 2: just saying you got to give him the credit for

448
00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,359
Speaker 2: the win. He's got the tick over Uel Romero, but

449
00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,080
Speaker 2: that it was so lackluster and that it wasn't particularly

450
00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,400
Speaker 2: exciting and less than being exciting, it just was not dominant.

451
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,360
Speaker 2: I think that's pretty clear. It was not at all dominant.

452
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,240
Speaker 2: That lowers the overall value of what it could be.

453
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:37,679
Speaker 2: That's all I look at it.

454
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Speaker 3: That's fair, that's very fair.

455
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Speaker 4: I mean, look, you don't see a lot of people

456
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Speaker 4: lining up to Romero, and you don't see a lot

457
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Speaker 4: of people dominating him.

458
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Speaker 3: So at the end of the day, I scored it

459
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Speaker 3: against Izzie. But that's it may be boring, but it

460
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,800
Speaker 3: ain't an awful win. Luke, Okay, people aren't trying to

461
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 3: fight that guy, so you know it doesn't. I don't

462
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,119
Speaker 3: think it really counts against him so much, but roll on,

463
00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 3: roll on, all right.

464
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Speaker 2: So with that out of the way, let's get now

465
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Speaker 2: to we've talked about Dustin p I spoke to him yesterday.

466
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Speaker 2: The video is up on the YouTube channel now. I

467
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 2: think some articles are going to go up for it

468
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,199
Speaker 2: on CBS Sports. Looking forward to those, but at the

469
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Speaker 2: time being BC he made a comment about the interim title,

470
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Speaker 2: and here's what he said.

471
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got it, we got it. Do you know

472
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Speaker 3: that we had Oh?

473
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Speaker 2: I didn't know that we had it. So let's let's

474
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Speaker 2: let's set this up here. I asked them a series

475
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Speaker 2: of questions about it, like, you know, if listen, if

476
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Speaker 2: Habib is not in the picture anymore, Yeah, it should

477
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Speaker 2: probably be for a title when he fights Connor in January.

478
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Speaker 2: But let's assume a world where that doesn't happen. Would

479
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Speaker 2: you want to fight for the interim title? This is

480
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Speaker 2: basically what he says. If they decide for whatever reason,

481
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 2: that Habib is going to stay and compete, which God

482
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 2: only knows what's gonna happen at this point, but let's

483
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Speaker 2: say that that's what actually does happen. Should there be

484
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Speaker 2: an interim belt for your fight. Do you want an

485
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Speaker 2: interim belt unless Kabeb is.

486
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Speaker 5: Taking you know, a lot of time away from the sport.

487
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Speaker 5: I don't think an interim belt should be introduced. You know,

488
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Speaker 5: there's already been two in the lightweight division. Kubebe's unified

489
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Speaker 5: both times that their interim champ was introduced.

490
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Speaker 3: No, there's been three.

491
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 5: Tony was an interim champ as well, you know. So

492
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Speaker 5: I think the division needs clarity and needs an undisputed

493
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Speaker 5: world champion, and there's no reason for that unless Kabeb

494
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Speaker 5: is out for a long time. If he's retired, then

495
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 5: then two guys have to fight. The next two guys

496
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Speaker 5: in line need to fight for the belt. If he's

497
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Speaker 5: not retired, you know, it has to be.

498
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Speaker 3: In the next five six months, right.

499
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Speaker 5: The guy can't take a year off between fights.

500
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Speaker 3: B C.

501
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Speaker 2: I couldn't hear a word of that, but I'm wondering

502
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Speaker 2: if you could. And either way your reaction to him

503
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 2: basically saying, you know what, I'm not super interested in

504
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Speaker 2: an interim title.

505
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have no idea if the public heardit either,

506
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 4: hopefully they did, and if they didn't, please check it out.

507
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 4: Some fantastic interview from the professor there, very good stuff.

508
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, f the interim title, Luke F the BS.

509
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 4: I love it when Justin Gage took that belt and

510
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 4: threw it down. I love these type of emphatic statements

511
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 4: where it's BS.

512
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Speaker 3: And I know you're in. Look what we didn't show

513
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 3: there was your response, which was an educated one.

514
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Speaker 4: About well, doesn't it bring you more pay? Isn't there

515
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,160
Speaker 4: a plus for a fighter to want to get into

516
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 4: the interim business. And while he did eventually, you know,

517
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Speaker 4: bow down to that and say yes, if you're telling

518
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Speaker 4: me I can get.

519
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 3: More money, go in the interim root. Of course I'm

520
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Speaker 3: going to do it.

521
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Speaker 4: But I love his foundation and principle. And when any

522
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Speaker 4: fighter does this, that's just a trinket. That's just part

523
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Speaker 4: of the process. The real thing is the championship. I

524
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 4: want the championship. If Habib is still going to fight

525
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Speaker 4: in some form, why would we have an interim championship.

526
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 4: You make one when you need one. We don't need

527
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 4: one right now. I love that attitude. I love everything

528
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 4: about Really, let's be honest here, I love everything about

529
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Speaker 4: who Dustin Poiers has evolved to become, not just as

530
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Speaker 4: a fighter, but Luke even more as a man, a father,

531
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 4: a a more evolved sportsman, and you know, and you

532
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 4: had some really interesting questions in there about how much

533
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,959
Speaker 4: there is to learn as a fighter as you mature,

534
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 4: and how you're never ending, you're constantly learning, but just

535
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 4: how much we may be as viewers in h don't

536
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 4: understand how much there is to master.

537
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 3: From planning a training camp to planning away cut.

538
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Speaker 4: To you know what I mean, Like, there's so many

539
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 4: layers and levels to this game. He is certainly in

540
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 4: a fantastic spot, not just the run he had before

541
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 4: the he be fight, but coming back and beating Hooker

542
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 4: the way he did. It was very interesting to hear

543
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 4: how that that machine inside his head works and takes

544
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 4: us all in. But yes, for the sake of the

545
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 4: interim title, Luke, I know that that's the way Dana

546
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 4: gets them paid.

547
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Speaker 3: I hate it.

548
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 4: Shane Carwin's not my UFC heavyweight champion, Carlos Content was

549
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 4: never my UFC welterweight champion. It's a trinket, all right,

550
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 4: So don't make it about make it a gold jacket

551
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 4: or a ring or something or a sock on a

552
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 4: cock that says I got next.

553
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Speaker 3: That's fine, because that's all that really means, Luke, But

554
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 3: I like where he's going.

555
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: With it right here. How much do you feel like

556
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: your background in covering boxing all these many years? I mean,

557
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: I don't think that the position you adopt is in

558
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 2: any way like controversial or the not the norm. I

559
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 2: think most people would probably agree, like do we really

560
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 2: need an interim title?

561
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 4: Like?

562
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 2: We probably don't, So I think in that sense it's

563
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: quite mainstream. But what I mean to say is I

564
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 2: have noticed that when you get guys who and you

565
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 2: are fifty to fifty at this point, but when you

566
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: know your career historically has been predominantly covering boxing, you

567
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 2: see you talk to those guys about the interim titles

568
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: and how rare they are relatively speaking to boxing. They

569
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 2: love that. They love that there's very little part of it.

570
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: They love that you hardly ever see it. They love

571
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 2: when fighters to your point, like gaitschee take it off

572
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 2: and say that's not for real. I see a lot

573
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: of that on boxing Twitter and boxing Instagram. Do you

574
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: feel like that colors your perspective at all?

575
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,239
Speaker 3: Yeah? Look, you ever grow up?

576
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 4: I didn't specifically, but you ever grew up in an

577
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 4: alcoholic house. You come out of there and not wanting

578
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,159
Speaker 4: to play with the sauce. And I grew up in

579
00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 4: this this bastardized environment of the boxing political structure. They

580
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 4: won't make a damn belt for anything. Look, but they

581
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 4: don't tell the people that the frontline old guy black

582
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 4: lives matter championship doesn't really matter. And they don't tell

583
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 4: the people that there's four lightweight champions in the WBA

584
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 4: right now. Yeah, I don't want any of that bullshit

585
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 4: to come to UFC. And you know, my argument was

586
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 4: always if it gets you more money that way, well

587
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 4: can't Dana just pay you more and number one get

588
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 4: tenders fight, because that's really what it is all about.

589
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 3: But yes, the.

590
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 4: UFC ZOUFA, their success for Tita's and Dana was in

591
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 4: building something that was the opposite of their dying favorite sport,

592
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 4: right that was So it's like, why are we going

593
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 4: back in that direction?

594
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Speaker 2: In terms of the rest of the interview from him,

595
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 2: I had a quote in there I hope you can

596
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: share it at some point later, which was he's not

597
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: looking for a lighter load, He's looking for a stronger back.

598
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 2: It really resonated with me I mean, the thing I

599
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: took away from this, Yeah, they'll use your water bottle

600
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 2: their guy. That's what the producer says. But my point,

601
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: BC is that my lesson from this interview was I

602
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: don't know if Poorier is going to beat McGregor. You know,

603
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: it's hard to know, like what state McGregor's going to

604
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: be in, assuming he's in any kind of state relative

605
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 2: to the abilities. As we know that he is a

606
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: handful generally, and especially early. He's so good. He's dialed

607
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: right in from the word go, and Poorier takes a

608
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: little bit of time to get going out. I mean,

609
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 2: it's not quite right to call him a slow starter,

610
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 2: but his early rounds are not necessarily against the better opposition,

611
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: sometimes his better rounds. So you know, there's a real

612
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: question to be asked about whether he can win this

613
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: fight at all. But what I will say is if

614
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: he's going to win it, I do think now is

615
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: the time his level of maturity and understanding what makes

616
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 2: him tick, what the ingredients are of success, how to

617
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: thread those needles. He has come around a lot, and

618
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: I feel like listening to him that you know, again

619
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: we don't know if he's going to hide an injury

620
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 2: or whatever. But BC, I felt like from this one,

621
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: you're definitely gonna get a different fight. I just Connor

622
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: may get his hand raised again. But this idea that

623
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 2: Dustin's going to go in there and just get run

624
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 2: over in you know, two minutes or something, I don't

625
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: buy it.

626
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 4: Well, Luke, Dustin doesn't admit to it, it doesn't cop

627
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 4: to it anymore in interviews, and he didn't in your interview,

628
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 4: didn't really take the bait. But McGregor owned him mentally

629
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 4: in that first fight, and I think out of there

630
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 4: are reasons why the fight went that way.

631
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 3: Connor was better at featherweight.

632
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 4: And he was at a point of just rising with

633
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 4: every performance that he was an unstoppable train. But also

634
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 4: Pourier cutting down to featherweight didn't have the same level

635
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 4: of punch resistance. So those are foundational elements as to

636
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 4: why that fight went the way it did, Luke.

637
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 3: But also he got on his damn head.

638
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 4: I mean, he owned him, as you you know, correctly

639
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 4: laid out in the other instances in which Connor has

640
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 4: done that to Alvarez, to whom I mean to everybody,

641
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 4: basically even at times with Nate, even though Nate is

642
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 4: sort of, you know, pre naturally wired to not let

643
00:27:58,560 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 4: that bother him.

644
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 3: So I respect and love Pourier's responses, even.

645
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 4: The illustration of taking a piece of paper and drawing

646
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 4: a circle and trying to just put in the middle

647
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 4: of their the things he can control in a fight

648
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 4: camp and not worrying about the rest. Love that, and

649
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 4: I love the veteran response of you know, I don't

650
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 4: care about the trash talk game blah blah blah, but

651
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 4: I do wonder Luke. It's one thing to say that,

652
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 4: but it's also another thing to get into a camp

653
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 4: against Connor McGregor. And now we don't know if Connor's

654
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 4: going to be the featherweight mad man he was back then,

655
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 4: or if this is the more mature, cowboy Seroni level

656
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 4: camp of Connor, who was more like.

657
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: Giving praise to people and being redemptive.

658
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 4: Either way, it is one thing, I think, Luke, to

659
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 4: say I've evolved past being subject to that I'm more mature,

660
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 4: and another thing to execute it, because that is one

661
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,959
Speaker 4: thing Connor does great unless you believe, Luke that the

662
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 4: magic is gone from what the mental side of the

663
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 4: Connor attack used to mean.

664
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a big question of if Connor doesn't play

665
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: those mind games anymore. We don't know if he will

666
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: already want It's still a little bit too early to tell.

667
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: But to the extent also by the way, COVID might

668
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: help Dustin Poirier in that sense where there is no

669
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: big fight week. They're not gonna have you know, at

670
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: the at the Figaredo pay per view, They're not gonna

671
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: have to our knowledge, I guess we'll have to CBC,

672
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 2: but my hunch is they're not gonna have a press

673
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: conference that day for the media, certainly not for the

674
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: fans with the next pay per views headliners. You know

675
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: how they used to do that at the beginning of

676
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: this year and in the end of last year, you

677
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: have to set up the next pay per view where

678
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: there's all these fighters on stage and the fans are screaming.

679
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: You know, you get chewed up at those kinds of things.

680
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: In fact, during the interview, I had referenced, you know,

681
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: Rda getting chewed up by Connor. I don't think a

682
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: lot of fans realized Rdia was the original opponent for

683
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: Connor a UFC one ninety six before he fell out,

684
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: and they substituted in Nate Diaz. And when they had

685
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: that press conference, you get RDA in a very conventional suit,

686
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: saying very conventional things. You had Connor showing up intentionally

687
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: looking like Pablo Escobar and just from a verbal standpoint,

688
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 2: eating him alive right just going after him. It was

689
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: a it was a thing to behold because of COVID BC.

690
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: And again we don't know what choices Connor's going to make,

691
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: but certainly because of that, you don't have to deal

692
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: with that anymore. You don't have at least not nearly

693
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: as much. Maybe on fight we can fight. I don't

694
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: enough to deal with some of it, but not a lot. Dude.

695
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: It's not a big deal like it used to be.

696
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: And so I really wonder if Connor either doesn't choose

697
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: those weapons anymore or doesn't have them as readily available,

698
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: what does that do to the fighting itself? Where we

699
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: have believed for the longest time that the mental aspect

700
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: played a key component in his wins. I still believe

701
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: he's talented enough again if he has retained his abilities

702
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: to beat most of the elite one p. Fifty five

703
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: vers But it's a serious open question, and I don't

704
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: know the answered to it.

705
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: I mean, it's wild, and this is a debate that

706
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 4: only really happens with somebody like Connor who has had

707
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 4: that kind of level of fame and left the sport

708
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 4: for so long. I mean, we're talking about a guy

709
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 4: Luke who had has had two lightweight fights, two Luke

710
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 4: two lightweight fights, and they were years apart, and they

711
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 4: were both title fights. And I know that there's a

712
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 4: lot of people who are you know, as you always say,

713
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 4: there's people who believe he's Jesus, and then there's people

714
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 4: who think he's always sucked and is never good. But

715
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 4: the people that are very critical of him, they quickly

716
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 4: always point out, you know, like do we even know

717
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 4: if he has legitimate lightweight power, meaning like legitimate get

718
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 4: you out of there like he did at featherweight. Yes,

719
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 4: he threw an absurd four punch combination and just be

720
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 4: dazzled Eddie Alvarez. But you know, we only learned so

721
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 4: much from the Habib fight, in which he got you know,

722
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: dragged down and gassed out and he had no zip

723
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 4: on his punches. Even in that round that he won,

724
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 4: it seemed like Luke, So it's hard to tell I mean, look,

725
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 4: if the mental games mean nothing, and I think you

726
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 4: laid out why it might mixed with the maturity of

727
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 4: Dustin even though I just gave a disclaimer, that's one

728
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 4: thing to say you're mature and another thing to.

729
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: Deal with a guy like that.

730
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 4: If this fight is more about just the damn fights, Yeah,

731
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 4: you gotta favorite Poorier in this one.

732
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: And I think that's a big part of why we

733
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: need to see this.

734
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 4: Want to get them both in their own particular solo

735
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 4: COVID bubble and just say training there, eating their crap

736
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 4: in there, don't leave because we need.

737
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 3: You, We need you well.

738
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: And the good news is Porte said he's going to

739
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 2: go to Fight Island even earlier than before, so you know,

740
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: hopefully he can get there unscathed. And once he gets there,

741
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: I'm pretty confident he'll be fine for the duration of

742
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 2: this of his stay. All right, Topic number three, BC,

743
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: and this is one where again this is why I

744
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: like this show, BC. Well, I like the show for

745
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: many reasons. One it pays my bills, but two, you know,

746
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: we try to treat boxing seriously here. We take it

747
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: seriously on the show. Obviously, it's a much bigger part

748
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: of your background than mine, but I'm trying to make

749
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: it part of my future in a much more full

750
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: throated way. And this is where having a little bit

751
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: of knowledge on either side of the game comes in handy.

752
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: Clarissa Shields, who is the would you call her the

753
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: best female boxer a live PC? Maybe Katie Taylor, I

754
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: guess is somewhere in that conversation.

755
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 3: In the discussion. In the discussion, yeah, yeah.

756
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: So certainly she is a premier, if not the premier

757
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: talent on the women's side of the game. She has

758
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: signed with the Professional Fighters League. On the MMA side

759
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: of things, I guess to fight at one hundred and

760
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: forty five pounds BC. What can you tell us about

761
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: Clarissa's Shields the boxer first and then second, given those facts,

762
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: how you think she might do in signing with the PFL.

763
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: And we'll unpack everything through that conversation.

764
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: Look, this is big news in a lot of ways.

765
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: I want to tip the cap to an organization I don't.

766
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 4: Always speak awesomely of the PFL. This is a fun signing.

767
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 4: It's very interesting because Luke, and I'm gonna answer your

768
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 4: question shortly. It's one thing for somebody like Shields to

769
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 4: say I'd be willing to do a big MMA match,

770
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 4: and in our idea it's sort.

771
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 3: Of a you know, celebrity crossover one off.

772
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 4: It's one thing to say, well, you know what if

773
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 4: she boxed Cyborg, like all those things are just curiosity.

774
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: It's another thing to say, no, I'm going for it.

775
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 3: I'm making a legitimate move into mixed martial arts.

776
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 4: Give me a year of step up fights and then

777
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 4: let's see twenty twenty two.

778
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: You know where I stand among the big names and

779
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: the champions.

780
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 4: There, whether it's a Kaylae, a Irris and a Cyborg

781
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 4: or whoever she can get in with.

782
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 3: So let's break this down. She's an incredible athlete.

783
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 4: Let's say that first and foremost, women's boxing only gives

784
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: you two minute rounds rather than three. So there are

785
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 4: a lot of people who believe that has robbed from

786
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 4: the potential of getting more knockouts. When you look at

787
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 4: Clorista Shields boxing record, Unbeaten has won titles in so

788
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 4: many different way classes and unified it became undisputed.

789
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 3: I mean in such a short time. It doesn't have a.

790
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 4: Lot of stoppages, So I think that's telling you Luke.

791
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 4: She's not a crushing, one punch knockout puncher.

792
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: It's just not. But she's big, quick, athletic.

793
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 4: Do you remember her big fight on Showtime against Christina

794
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 4: Hammer that was hyped up for a few years. When

795
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 4: that finally became a fight, it wasn't one because Shields

796
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 4: was so far ahead of Hammer, who.

797
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: Was a decorated champion in Germany for like a decade.

798
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 4: In terms of everything, IQ carrying out of a game

799
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 4: plan and again the athleticism, and I think that's what

800
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 4: separates her from everybody else in boxing.

801
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: She's a two time Olympic gold medalist. I mean, she

802
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: is the real deal.

803
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 4: When it comes to her fighting heart and her knowledge

804
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: of this game. But the real question is how does

805
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 4: that change to MMA? Now, Look, there's certain things, Luke.

806
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 4: She's got to get over. She's got to be able

807
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 4: to stop takedown. She's got to be able to absorb

808
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,280
Speaker 4: kicks to the you know leg, the little foundational things

809
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 4: that doesn't that allows her to feel comfortable and want

810
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 4: to do this in her favorite Luke, she's twenty five,

811
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 4: so this is still, you know, early enough to do this,

812
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 4: and you would think that they're going to be smart

813
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 4: and really try to match her in the type of

814
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 4: fights that can not expose her but allow her to

815
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 4: keep going deeper into the water to figure it out,

816
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 4: until we know whether her ground game and ability to

817
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 4: do some of the foundational aspects beyond punching are have

818
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 4: bright potential or are going to stay remedial. It's really

819
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 4: hard to try to gauge, but I think the advantage

820
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 4: she'll have Luke over the other women. Remember we saw

821
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 4: Heather Hardy, Anaholitan decorated female boxers who made.

822
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 3: The move, and obviously Holly Holms the biggest one.

823
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 4: But what she has that they don't is youth age,

824
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 4: real athleticism and again just a mind and spirit for this.

825
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 4: You know, so if she dedicates herself completely and just

826
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 4: so you know, she did say in subsequent interviews to

827
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 4: Breto Komodo that she doesn't want to lose her belt

828
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 4: in boxing, so she will stay busy fighting. She wants

829
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 4: to fight three to four times in boxing to keep

830
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 4: all her mandatories going and fit in two to three

831
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 4: MMA fights.

832
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 3: It's ambitious, but she does keep a busy schedule.

833
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 4: But Luke, I can't sit here and tell you we

834
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 4: have a future champion on our hands. The proof will

835
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 4: be in the putt in, as Floyd says, And yes,

836
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 4: I'm excited for every step of the way, Luke, to

837
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,919
Speaker 4: see what she has and how she might be able

838
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 4: to evolve.

839
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: You love that. You love that. You know Floyd's thing

840
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: works because you can kind of use putting as a

841
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: you know, it's a clever play on words. It's a

842
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: lot better than Emmett Smith when he tried to be

843
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: a Monday night football commentator. You remember that when he

844
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: would accuse teams who lose of getting blowed out and

845
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: things like that. It didn't quite work that well, did it.

846
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: I find the story to be fascinating. The more you

847
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: think about it on a surface level, you're like, Okay,

848
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 2: it's kind of that's kind of quirky. But then when

849
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: you really begin to dig into the details, B see,

850
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 2: it's very interesting. Which is I want to say this.

851
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: The thing that I think is absolutely unassailable about Clarissa

852
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: Shields is one thing you were very clear to emphasize

853
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: just now, which is her athletic prowess. Her athletic prowess

854
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 2: cannot be challenged. She is very, very very elite in

855
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: that regard. I think whether she is competing inboxing or

856
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: in MMA, PFL or any other organization, honestly, if she

857
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 2: was signed to the UFC, would she be the best

858
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty five pounds pure athlete. She a

859
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: better pure athlete than Amanda Nunez. She might be in

860
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: just in pure athletic terms, right, however, one wants to

861
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: measure that, obviously she's not even close to the overall

862
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: MMA fighter would be you know, irresponsible to even suggest

863
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: such a thing. But in terms of just athletic talents,

864
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: she is on that level, if not exceeding it. So

865
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: I think that is clear. The thing to me that

866
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: is not a foregone conclusion, though, is how she translates.

867
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: So on the one hand, the change in boxing gloves,

868
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 2: and I think the one thing that promoters and regulators

869
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: get wrong on the women's side of things, They get

870
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: they make their boxes to their gloves too big. Women's

871
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: boxing gloves should be six ounces in my opinion, here

872
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: she's gonna get down to four ounces. What is that

873
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 2: going to do for her punching power? It can only

874
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: improve it. But if you actually watch her box, I'm

875
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: not gonna say she doesn't hit hard, but being a

876
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: power puncher is not her defining quality. She has a

877
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: very educated and consistent jab, She has good timing on

878
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: her accounters. She knows when to attack and when to

879
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: defend in terms of the overall strategy through the rounds.

880
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: But she's not some kind of like you know, she

881
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: doesn't have Amanda noon As punching power, at least relative

882
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: to her own sport. Again, we'll see how it translates

883
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: to MMA. But like this idea that because you're a

884
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 2: boxer you automatically hit hard. Power punching is different than boxing.

885
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: They can intersect, but they're not the same thing. And

886
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: I think that is not an obvious a thing that

887
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: people should just assume. The other one is BC truer

888
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 2: or false. She is the best boxer to try MMA

889
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: in terms of both their ability and then doing it

890
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: in their prime, because James Tony is, you know, just

891
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: one of the all time greats, but he was so

892
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: far past his prime it didn't matter. Claria Shields to

893
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 2: your point is twenty five. So is that a true statement?

894
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: I want to build on it.

895
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, Holly Holm was was a very good boxer, right,

896
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 4: very good?

897
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: Okay, but yes, but Clarisa Shields gold medalist in the Olympics.

898
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: I mean we're talking about all the way through.

899
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 4: And one other part about Clarisia Shields that is a

900
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 4: plus to her, Luke. I think you're right, You're right,

901
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 4: this this, this is the most decorated, talented person to

902
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 4: make that move. But Clarisa Shields turn pro at one

903
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 4: sixty eight in one titles. Now she's coming down till

904
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 4: fifty four was her recent She's talking about moving down

905
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 4: to welterweight in boxing if she can, which would tie

906
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 4: into fighting at featherweight potentially one forty five and women's MMA.

907
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 4: Somebody that's been able to do it over different weight

908
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 4: classes in different you know, body type. She's a true

909
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 4: through great fighter. So we'll see if that translate. But

910
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 4: I think your point is right. This is probably in

911
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 4: the age. Is the age is the key, Luke. The

912
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 4: age really is the key. Where there is time if

913
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: she shows promise in those certain foundational aspects that we

914
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 4: talked about, you know, trying ground game for the first time,

915
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 4: being able to do some of those things, you know,

916
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 4: kicks and knees, that there is room to improve, and

917
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 4: you know, we'll still be honest her even though women's

918
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 4: MME has evolved exceptionally from where it started, uh, it's

919
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 4: still centered largely around strawweight and sometimes bantam weight, I mean.

920
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: One forty five.

921
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 4: They're just not a deep pool, so that you know,

922
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 4: if she can get good quick, you know, there's no

923
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 4: like you want somebody who's an athlete and is smart,

924
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 4: and she's got that.

925
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 3: But she's got a fighting spirit.

926
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 4: I mean, she's tough as nails, Luke, and she's going

927
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 4: to need that eventually in the cage when somebody's got

928
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 4: her down.

929
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: Going for a choke and it's a it's a real fight.

930
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 4: I think that there's elements to her fighting spirit that

931
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 4: haven't fully been quenched in the boxing realm that if

932
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 4: it's as real as I think it is, could really

933
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 4: blossom in MMA where it is more about a grapple

934
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: and a fight than just throwing hands.

935
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: All right, So here's the thing that again I am

936
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: not declaring to you these are reasons to say there

937
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: won't be success. I am merely identifying some markers that

938
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: remain somewhat unknown, and we just don't know what the

939
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 2: answer will be, positive or negative until we get more information.

940
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 2: One is the punching power. Again, I think it'll be improved,

941
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: but hard to say exactly how much. That's the first

942
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: The second thing I'd say is why she has that pedigree.

943
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: Holly Holm had kickboxing experience before she ever tried MMA.

944
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: Why is that relevant Because an MMA fight or stand

945
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: further apart than they do in boxing. That enabled Holly

946
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: Holm to keep people at range when they wanted to

947
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 2: take her down. That enabled her to use a wider

948
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: variety of rep weapons that is not going to be available,

949
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: at least immediately in terms of the ease of things

950
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: to Clarissa Shields. It's something to keep in mind. It's

951
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: not as obvious as people think it is, and it

952
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 2: should be well, at least you should take it seriously

953
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: because that actually, I think really aided. If I can

954
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 2: fight at range in one you have to cover more distance.

955
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 2: That's gonna make my takedown defense, which is probably not

956
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: very good, a little bit better because I have to

957
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 2: use it less. And also, hello, kicking is maybe Holly

958
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: Holmes's best weapon. I mean, that's just really reality there.

959
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 2: Grissa Shields doesn't have those things. But the other part

960
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: about this conversation BC is something she told I think

961
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: the athletic, which is that she said boxing is a

962
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: sexist sport and that's why she's leaving. They don't like

963
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: the way that they're paid, she doesn't like the way

964
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: that they're promoted, she doesn't like the way that they're

965
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: talked about, and she feels that MMA is a oasis

966
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: in the desert. I got news for her. I mean,

967
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: she's got a point about the paychecks and some other things,

968
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. But I don't know that it's

969
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: like some progressive alternative to the sexist boxing world.

970
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 3: I see her point.

971
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 4: Even though we're going through a many women's boxing renaissance

972
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 4: right now, it's on TV more than it has been

973
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 4: in years. You got the Katie Taylor's you got you know,

974
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 4: there's some good fight there's actually some really good fighters

975
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 4: out there.

976
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: At the same time, she is right, it's still looked

977
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 3: at as an attraction.

978
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 4: They don't get the promotion or the or the money

979
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 4: on that level unless you are a Shield or a

980
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 4: Katie Taylor in an MMA.

981
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: It's it's it's normalized.

982
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 4: It's you know, women's fighting is legitimate in normal and

983
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 4: everything else.

984
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: So you know that's what led people in the past.

985
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 4: When we're talking about Heather Hardier Anahulitzan going to Bellator

986
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 4: the bigger paychecks, and.

987
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 3: I don't think it's wrong what she said, and I

988
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: think it plays into again her attitude of wanting to

989
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 3: be the best and the greatest. She called herself the guot.

990
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 4: We can all agree that GWAT is one of the

991
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 4: worst things we've ever heard anybody come up with Luke

992
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 4: the greatest woman of all time in terms of just

993
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 4: acronyms there, it's lame, but her point is well taken.

994
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 4: I always loved about her, that she's got this chip

995
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 4: on her shoulder and this passion to prove herself and

996
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 4: to prove that her fighting sport is legitimate, that she's

997
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 4: always called out the best, has always been willing, as

998
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 4: I said, to go to different weight classes. And now

999
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 4: her goal Luke seems to be become the first to

1000
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 4: hold a major boxing title and a major mixed martial

1001
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 4: arts title at the same time. You couldn't ask for

1002
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 4: anything more from somebody trying. And while they're yes, there's

1003
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 4: probably financial implications of why she wants to do this,

1004
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 4: you couldn't ask it for anything more from somebody who's

1005
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 4: calling themselves.

1006
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 3: Great and then is going out of their way to

1007
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: try to prove it.

1008
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 4: And again at just twenty five, if she can make

1009
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 4: this a career, we could be talking about the kind

1010
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 4: of fighting career we haven't seen yet in terms of

1011
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 4: being able to cross over back and forth on that

1012
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 4: extreme high level, this could be long term, you know,

1013
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 4: a monster move from her in terms of maximizing her legacy,

1014
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 4: which again is something we don't talk about enough because

1015
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 4: everybody is so much more about the money.

1016
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. But here's the thing though, that I want to

1017
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: push back on her and you in terms of this argument, like,

1018
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: oh m, then a is you know it's got more

1019
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 2: progressive attitudes about women? Well it does, I mean, yes, okay,

1020
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 2: and that on that surface level examination that is true.

1021
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: You do see a lot more hospitable attitudes towards the

1022
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 2: participation of women and their marketability inside MMA than you

1023
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: do in boxing. Well, I mean, can I just say

1024
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 2: this out loud, Women's boxing is not especially exciting. In fact,

1025
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: is usually fucking boring. Women's MMA is not. I mean,

1026
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: there's something to be said about hold on to make

1027
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 2: a point.

1028
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 3: Here, to make you a sandwich to Luke, no.

1029
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: Listen to me, listen to me, it's got nothing to do.

1030
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: This is what I'm trying to tell folks. Men's and

1031
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: women's gymnastics, for example, are not the same. They don't

1032
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: do they do some of the same stuff, but there's

1033
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 2: a lot of differentiation because they figured out there's ways

1034
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 2: to make the different body types and the physical capabilities

1035
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: work for different ends. The men do the iron rings,

1036
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: for example, there is again the pommel horse, and some

1037
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 2: other things are are are are There's an overlap there,

1038
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 2: but the women have some of their own individual events.

1039
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: Here's what I'm trying to get across the What the

1040
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 2: inside is of MMA is that when you let the

1041
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: full breadth of someone's athletic talents shine women's game, an

1042
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: MMA is phenomenal to watch in many cases as good,

1043
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: if not better than the men's. But if you just

1044
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: want to make it about what boxing can provide under

1045
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: a limited set of rules, particularly with heavier gloves, the

1046
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 2: punching power isn't there nearly as often. Of course, there's

1047
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: some depth of talent issues as well, But what I

1048
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: mean to say is they have it to me, figured

1049
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: out the proper rule set and included glove size on

1050
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: the women's side of boxing to make it as exciting

1051
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: and frankly as competitive as it should be. In MMA,

1052
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: you get a lot more of that. There was a

1053
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: lesson I learned from someone who was teaching arm bars.

1054
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: Was a little dude, and he was like, what's going

1055
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 2: to win in a contest? Your arm or my body?

1056
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: And he was sort of showing if he puts his

1057
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: whole arm or his whole body against my arm and

1058
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 2: he tries to break it, my arm can't win. It's

1059
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: a way to leverage size, no matter what your size

1060
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: is for maximum end. That's why what Ronda's arm bars

1061
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: are amazing. No, yes, you get the Amanda nunas is

1062
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: out there who have significant punching power, But dude, are

1063
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: people going to really see I mean, this sounds like

1064
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: I'm doing some kind of you know, Archie bunker bit,

1065
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: But I don't believe that's really fair. How many people

1066
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: can sit here and raise their hand and say truly

1067
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: that they get as much entertainment from the women's side

1068
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 2: of boxing as they do the men's, even when you

1069
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: have the elite side. I like Larsa Shields Fighting, I

1070
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: certainly do. I respect her tremendously as an athlete, but

1071
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: the way in which that sport of structure. Dude, it's

1072
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: not that exciting. Is that controversial to say?

1073
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 4: No, it does come off at first like a like

1074
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 4: a you know, women's suffrage debate. But you're right, And

1075
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 4: I think the main point of why you're right is

1076
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 4: that women's boxing at the moment, even though it's going

1077
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 4: through a renaissance period, is still so largely underdeveloped. And

1078
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 4: when you have a sport that's under developed, you don't

1079
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 4: actually have the best in the world competing at it,

1080
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 4: or if you do, there's only a couple that are

1081
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,959
Speaker 4: really the best in the world, and everybody else after

1082
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 4: that is so damn average. And when somebody is so

1083
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 4: damn average, they don't have a ton of power, they

1084
00:47:58,760 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 4: don't have a ton of dynamic.

1085
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 3: It's just a fight. So it doesn't mean that there's

1086
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: no that there aren't exciting women's fighters. There is. Doesn't

1087
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 3: mean that there hasn't been exciting fights.

1088
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 4: I mean the Delphine Pursuing and Katie Taylor two fights

1089
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 4: were fantastic.

1090
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: But you're right, Luke, I'm just saying lesson on us.

1091
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 2: It's a for profit business, and the reason why it

1092
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: works in MMA is because women's MMA is fantastic. The

1093
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: open rule set and the way in which the body

1094
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: can be applied for violent ends in MMA. It just works, dude,

1095
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: it works really well. And so because people realize you

1096
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: can make money behind it, they've got much more open attitudes.

1097
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: If women's boxing was able to be that dynamic relative

1098
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: to the men's side, I think you see open attitudes there,

1099
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: but it just doesn't work in the way that it's

1100
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: supposed to. And again that.

1101
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 3: Look, Ronda opened the door.

1102
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 4: And I remember specifically, like in the car Mouche fight

1103
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 4: when when Ronda was in that face crunch submission, we

1104
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 4: were like, oh my god, if she taps, does that

1105
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,479
Speaker 4: kill women's mma. Well, it turned out she didn't tap.

1106
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 4: It also turned out that we were able to they

1107
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 4: were able to, excuse me, put out such high quality

1108
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 4: fights in the wake of Rhonda, right creating the UFC

1109
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 4: Women's Strawway Division and seeing how across the board you

1110
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 4: have some great athletes, You're right, deeper pool better stuff. Look,

1111
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 4: Closia Shield has done so much in ten fights, but

1112
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 4: there's a reason why so many of her fights Luke

1113
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 4: have been unifications and stuff, and you're like, how is

1114
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 4: she fighting for three or four titles in a different

1115
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 4: weight class every time. Well, it's because there just aren't

1116
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 4: a lot of great fighters, and sometimes there's a lot

1117
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 4: of vacant titles and they're just thrown onto her when

1118
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 4: she comes into a fight to make it even bigger.

1119
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 4: When yes, the reality is the pool is not it's

1120
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 4: so shallow, and the sport comparative to the elements of

1121
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 4: MMA and women's MMA that can become pretty exciting, really exciting,

1122
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 4: and you know what happens on the ground and the

1123
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 4: const Yeah, you're right.

1124
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: Right, You're not an archie bunker. I'm just I know

1125
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: it sounds archie bunker to be like. But I like

1126
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 2: women's jiu jitsu. I think it's just as exciting as

1127
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: men's I mean, act better.

1128
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 4: True, And you made the gymnastics comparison, but I think

1129
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 4: basketball might be the best one.

1130
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 3: Luke. There are times I live in Connecticut where you

1131
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 3: women are the biggest thing ever team of sides.

1132
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 4: There's certainly times when I've gotten into you cut women

1133
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 4: or WNBA.

1134
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 3: For certain seasons. But Luke, I think it's not wrong

1135
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 3: that there are such a large male population, even to

1136
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 3: this day in twenty twenty, that are like, the women's

1137
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 3: game is just not exciting enough for me. And it's

1138
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: not wrong to say that.

1139
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: Right, If you look at the crime rates, who commits

1140
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:27,479
Speaker 2: most crimes? Men? Men commit most crimes, including violent crimes. Right.

1141
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: I'm the first person to admit that the data just

1142
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: shows what it shows, But it tells you a lot

1143
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 2: about physical aggression and physical abilities. And if you're gonna

1144
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: make rules for that and then try to adapt them

1145
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: for women where you're just throwing those hands, I don't

1146
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: know that it translates as well versus just opening up

1147
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 2: the rule set and then it translates fantastically. It's not

1148
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 2: a comment on women or women's sports. It's a comment

1149
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: on that particular way it works in that rule set

1150
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: for that particular gender. That's it. That's all I'm suggesting

1151
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 2: to you. It's not women who have a place or

1152
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: or we shouldn't be as exciting. I'm just saying, if

1153
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: people can make a buck off of something, they're going

1154
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: to have a good attitude about it, and there's a

1155
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 2: better way to make a buck off. Women's fighting. I

1156
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: think it boxing again. I think that the gloves are

1157
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: way too big. But okay, different questions.

1158
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 4: Oh way, you started this debate by using the term

1159
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 4: full throated argument, and I can't get Rocco out of

1160
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 4: my head, so let's just get out of this topic altogether.

1161
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, BC. You know I won't eat crow,

1162
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: but I will say I was because I still thought

1163
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 2: it would do well. But it did way better than

1164
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: I thought it would. Dan Raphael of whatever side he's

1165
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: with these days, boxing scene, okay, good shots the boxing scene,

1166
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, just the boxing scene, okay,

1167
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: or excuse me, I should say Mike Tyson and Roe

1168
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 2: Joas Junior pulling in apparently one maybe one point two

1169
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: mil on the pay per view by rates. Now we

1170
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: knew we did really well, just from a sort of

1171
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 2: a casual observation of interest. But then on top of it,

1172
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: you know, I will say this, BC. They sold it

1173
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: for fifty bucks. I wonder if they had tried to

1174
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 2: sell it for seventy five how much that would have

1175
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: hurt it. But either way, it did dreamly well. Be

1176
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: see your respects to these great numbers.

1177
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,720
Speaker 4: This is a separate argument from the one we had Monday,

1178
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 4: which was was the pay per view actually entertaining?

1179
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 3: Did it make you want to watch more?

1180
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 4: The sales come in obviously before the show happened, So

1181
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 4: this is a monster success. Rayfield reported that it could

1182
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 4: be as high as one point five million, maybe even

1183
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 4: one point seven due to some people's projections. Once all

1184
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 4: the receipts are tapped. Let's talk about why this is massive.

1185
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 4: The promotion was horrific, I mean just horrific. And I

1186
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 4: really thought, Luke, the whole scare about will this be

1187
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 4: a real fight or.

1188
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 3: Will the commission get in the way would have killed it.

1189
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 4: But yes, at the end of the day, it is Tyson,

1190
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 4: and it is Tyson returning from a fifteen year absence.

1191
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 4: But look, I think the main reason why you and

1192
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 4: I were, you know, dismissive of the odds of it

1193
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 4: going over a million. I think I said, you know,

1194
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 4: I could see it to its seven to eight hundred thousand,

1195
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 4: is because, like pay per view is not in the

1196
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 4: healthiest place numbering wise at the moment. People do have

1197
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 4: to realize when Manu Pacia and Floyd Mayweather we're on

1198
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 4: that five year road to fight each other, they both

1199
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 4: benefited so much from the fact that they never cashed

1200
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 4: in on that fight and we were all just sitting

1201
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 4: here going when are you gonna.

1202
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 3: Fight each other?

1203
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 4: So each time Pakiah would fight Margarito, or Mosley and

1204
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 4: Floyd would fight, or Tez and Marquez, We're just hoping, Okay,

1205
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 4: if they win, they're gonna call out the other guy

1206
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 4: at the end of the fight.

1207
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 3: I gotta see this, you know. Blah blah blah.

1208
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 4: I hope they cannot lose and keep the fight together.

1209
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 4: They were doing a million plus almost every time. The

1210
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 4: reality is, Luke, it's so hard to do a million plus.

1211
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 4: It was ten fifteen years ago, and it is even

1212
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 4: more now. Outside of let's be honest here, over the

1213
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 4: past five ten years, okay, outside of Maymac Maypack and

1214
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 4: Floyd Canelo.

1215
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 3: Do you know the fights that have done over a million?

1216
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 3: Luke sort of?

1217
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 4: You know, specifically the last five six years, Glove Canelo

1218
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 4: one and two.

1219
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 3: And that's it, Luke, that's it. I mean. Codo Canelo

1220
00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 3: was a big fight.

1221
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 4: For HBO per view in twenty fifteen, Puerto Rico versus

1222
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 4: Mexico like colliding, and it was a great promotion and

1223
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 4: it still did like eight hundred thousand. And it's just

1224
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 4: that's where pay per view is specifically, that's where pay

1225
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 4: per view is after Maypack, which, if you remember Mayweather

1226
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 4: Pakia was the first fight to raise it up to

1227
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 4: one hundred bucks, and it was the fight where like

1228
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 4: everybody had to see it after not watching a big

1229
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 4: boxing fight for years, and it didn't live up to

1230
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 4: people's expectations. Blah blah blah. That did sort of kill

1231
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 4: the market. You're telling me that two guys over fifty,

1232
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 4: no matter their name value, and I yes, the name

1233
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 4: value in this case was the reason why. But no

1234
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 4: matter their name value, can come in here and draw

1235
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 4: over a million when pay per view is basically dead, Luke.

1236
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 4: And I say dead because how many times have you

1237
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 4: seen the last couple of years, Luke, whether it's Wilder

1238
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 4: or Spence or whoever's in the main event of a

1239
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 4: pay per view, Dravante will find out they did three four,

1240
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 4: five hundred thousand.

1241
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 3: Well, like, that's a monster win in this era, in

1242
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 3: this day and age.

1243
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 4: Dude, old man Tyson just did maybe a million and

1244
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 4: a half.

1245
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 3: That's insane, Luke.

1246
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 2: Okay, how much would a seventy five dollars price tag

1247
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 2: reduced purchases.

1248
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 4: Ten twenty percent? I can't, I mean, was that a

1249
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 4: major differentiator? And it certainly had to help Luke, but

1250
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 4: I don't think that was make or break.

1251
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's make or break. And again,

1252
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 2: who the hell knows what the answer is. I think

1253
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 2: you're probably right somewhere between ten and twenty percent. But

1254
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 2: if it doesn't sell a million, and where's twenty percent, well,

1255
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: now you're back at eight hundred thousand. The Canolo excuse me,

1256
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 2: the Canelo Codo territory, right, So, like how much of

1257
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: a whopping difference would there be in that case? I

1258
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 2: think your point about boxing. Boxing basically doesn't have many

1259
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 2: stars right now that can sell shitloads of pay per

1260
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,919
Speaker 2: view buys. It's got plenty of TV fighters, plenty of those,

1261
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: but not so much who can sell pay per view buys.

1262
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 2: I just again, massive success, way more than I thought

1263
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: it would be. Totally underestimated it and I wanted to

1264
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 2: call it just as I see it. Still it's just

1265
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 2: a curiosity for me. I really wonder what the relaxed

1266
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 2: pay per view price means in the.

1267
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,959
Speaker 3: End, and look even comparative to MMA, let's talk about

1268
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 3: that same time frame, the last five.

1269
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 4: Years, what has done big business outside of Connor or

1270
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 4: UFC two hundred, Like you haven't seen a lot of

1271
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 4: million pluses.

1272
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 2: Right, ortiz Ladell three?

1273
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 4: It did three hundred and fifty buys, right, yeah, no,

1274
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 4: literally three hundred fifty buys.

1275
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: By the way, say pay per view price. I think

1276
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: it was just fifty bucks. Tells you a lot about that, doesn't.

1277
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 3: It's it's why.

1278
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 4: I mean, look, okay, so that's Tyson, and you can't

1279
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 4: overlook Tyson is a is the reason.

1280
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 3: Okay, at the end of the day, it is the reason. So, Luke,

1281
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 3: we talked on Monday about we both believe there is

1282
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 3: a market for all guy fights.

1283
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 4: We both believe the window could end up being short

1284
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 4: for a bunch of different reasons. I mean, eventually someone's

1285
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 4: gonna get hurt, or it's gonna suck or whatever. But

1286
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 4: what could this do to the fight that everybody's trying

1287
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 4: to make now and everybody being a vander Holyfield putting

1288
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 4: out press releases and coming on the internet and all that.

1289
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 4: I mean, Holyfield Tyson three, even given we know from

1290
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 4: Tyson Jones that it was fun, but it wasn't a war, dude.

1291
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 4: This fight is is a bigger fight on paper, right then?

1292
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 4: I mean, Roy Jones is great, but he was never

1293
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 4: a crossover mainstream star on the level that holy Field was,

1294
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 4: and specifically with the look, Louke, it's the casuals that

1295
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 4: get a pay per view up to two million, right,

1296
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 4: it really is that that's the market.

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00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 2: It's the casual dude up to a million. Sorry, I

1298
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 2: mean I don't think there's a million. Households are hardcore

1299
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: boxing fans. I mean in some kind of general way.

1300
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 2: But to me, if you saw a million, you have

1301
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: crossed into casual big time.

1302
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 4: So casuals know the bite fight Luke, This Tyson didn't.

1303
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 4: Tyson's performance was so surprising and good, even though it

1304
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 4: wasn't a war and there were no knockdowns that I

1305
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 4: have to believe.

1306
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 3: Can this do two million pay per view buys?

1307
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 2: Bluke could, because here's the deal. I mean, think about something.

1308
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: If Roy Jones fought Anderson Silva, how well would that

1309
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 2: do in terms of pay per view? Probably pretty well.

1310
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: I don't imagine, and maybe you disagree, but I don't

1311
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: imagine it would sell anything close to this one. And

1312
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: so you have to ask yourself, why is that the case? One?

1313
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: Mike is still Mike is a towering figure in boxing

1314
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 2: and in combat sports. Too, something that folks just don't

1315
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 2: really appreciate. The dude has remained relevant whether he is

1316
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,919
Speaker 2: doing his podcast or he's in the Hangover, or he's

1317
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 2: doing that one man show or whatever. Either there's a

1318
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: roast where he's involved or something. Dude Mike is just

1319
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 2: kind of always hanging around in a way where you

1320
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: notice him on major networks, opportunities, movies, whatever. He's Mike

1321
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: is everywhere all the time. There's this continuous fascination of

1322
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: about him. He's got this we'd business. I mean, people

1323
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 2: are fascinating with this dude. Roy Jeones Junior does not

1324
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 2: capture that same kind of attention, and neither does Amerson Silva,

1325
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: even if both obviously are you know, when they competed

1326
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 2: or legends of the game. So, uh, you take that

1327
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: plus maybe his most or if it's most iconic fight,

1328
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 2: but one of his most you know, iconic moments, bad

1329
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 2: or good, and you run that back again against the

1330
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 2: guy who's all so part of that heavyweight experience in

1331
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: the nineties where heavyweight boxing was kind of the shit.

1332
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: It's like, how do you miss with that one?

1333
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 3: It's it's wild.

1334
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 4: I mean, look, just the simple element of this will

1335
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 4: be the first time they're fighting since the Bite Fight,

1336
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 4: even though all of us fight fans know they've made

1337
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 4: up a million times and they're both ambassadors for the

1338
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 4: game and they love each other just that casual person.

1339
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 4: That's like, the last time I cared about these two,

1340
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 4: the dude bit the dude's air off and there was

1341
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 4: a brawl in the ring. Look, I mean, the twenty

1342
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 4: twenty is so fricking weird, and obviously we can't get

1343
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 4: to this discussion of Holyfield Tyson trilogy maybe doing stupid numbers,

1344
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 4: maybe without having seen Tyson Jones first and waking up

1345
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 4: and realizing that the market is there.

1346
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 3: But Luke, at the beginning of twenty twenty.

1347
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 4: If I would have told you this year would play

1348
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 4: out the way it did COVID wise, you'd think I'm crazy.

1349
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 4: If I would have told you we would have cared

1350
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 4: that much about Joe Exotic for some season, you had

1351
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 4: thought I was crazy. And most importantly here, if I

1352
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 4: told you we would close the year on Morning Combat

1353
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 4: by saying, could Tyson Holyfield three in an exhibition when

1354
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 4: they're both old as shit.

1355
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,919
Speaker 3: Do two million pay per view buys? Look? I mean,

1356
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 3: is that what's the ceiling on this fight? What is

1357
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: the damn ceiling?

1358
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 5: Right?

1359
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 3: Now?

1360
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 2: There's the part about it, Dude. What fight was promoted

1361
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 2: worse than this one and did as well? Honestly, I

1362
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: don't know the answer to that. Usually to get over

1363
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: one million buys, you not only need the kind of

1364
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 2: headliners who can do that, you have to have a

1365
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 2: reasonably competent team who knows how to promote it.

1366
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 4: Could you have four seven all Access showtime? You need

1367
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 4: one of those vehicles that people care about?

1368
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: Bingo? Dude, could you imagine if they actually promoted this correctly,

1369
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: with like the right team, the right assets, the right media,

1370
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 2: the whole nine yards. Could it do three? I mean

1371
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: that seems ambitious, But two five? I honestly, at this

1372
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 2: point I'm gonna I'm gonna go all in and say

1373
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 2: two five with the right promotion, I don't think it's crazy.

1374
01:00:59,120 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 2: I really don't.

1375
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 3: Dude.

1376
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 4: If Tyson goes in there and he's in such great

1377
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 4: shape that it's not impossible, and let's say him and

1378
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 4: Holyfield put on a fun fight because they're both action guys,

1379
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 4: and let's say Tyson stops him.

1380
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 3: They're like we talked about the redemption story in that

1381
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 3: angle from what.

1382
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: Was at age fifty. I mean, come on, at that point,

1383
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 2: you know I'm telling you this.

1384
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 3: I'm telling you this.

1385
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 4: Remember the key to George Foreman's come back commercially right

1386
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 4: was how much people some people thought he was a

1387
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 4: con man in doing it, how much he charmed the

1388
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 4: American public.

1389
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 3: If you don't remember the nineties.

1390
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,439
Speaker 4: And George Forman's come back and you're only thinking about

1391
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 4: the knockout of Moore, which was the the you know,

1392
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 4: the the real turning point that allowed him to do that.

1393
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 3: Look, George Foreman.

1394
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 4: Had a sitcom on ABC shortly after the Morror fight.

1395
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 4: He obviously had the Grills line, which kept him so

1396
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 4: on the forefront of pop culture, but he was like

1397
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 4: a I mean, he would come into the press conferences

1398
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 4: for his fights Luke with a tray full of cheeseburgers

1399
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 4: and laugh about how he was a grandpa and.

1400
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: A senior citizen.

1401
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 4: And could you see Tyson going like so far full

1402
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 4: circle that like forget mentioning a rapist like he. I mean,

1403
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 4: if he comes out of like he was so nice

1404
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 4: after the Jones fight and so touched and giving them

1405
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 4: money to charity and all that, what if he goes

1406
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 4: out there and fights Holyfield and some monster success and

1407
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 4: he wins.

1408
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 3: Could he have a an about face publicly?

1409
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 5: Now?

1410
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 4: Look, he already had the about face to fight fans

1411
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 4: with the One Man Show and all that in turning

1412
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 4: his life around.

1413
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 3: But I'm talking about like mainstream.

1414
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 4: This guy could be the biggest, the biggest, you know,

1415
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 4: star of twenty twenty one.

1416
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 3: If that's the.

1417
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: Case, I know, honestly, it's like, is there a reasonable possibility?

1418
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 2: A reasonable possibility? Then again, if promoted correctly, blah blah blah,

1419
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson could be the biggest combat sports star in

1420
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. Is that possibility?

1421
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 3: Why?

1422
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 2: I don't know that it's the likeliest one, But I

1423
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 2: couldn't discount it. I couldn't discount it. You know, he

1424
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 2: had to at least take it seriously as a as A,

1425
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 2: as A as a contingent moment. It's it's it's it

1426
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 2: really speaks to his popularity. I don't think he can

1427
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 2: do a full reformation. I mean, he's tried the reformation

1428
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 2: thing all this time, and there are still some acts

1429
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 2: about his past and you know, including the you know,

1430
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 2: he's a he's a he's a felon, But I don't

1431
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 2: know if they're alleged rapes or you know whatever. There

1432
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 2: are indiscretions in his past that he has very much

1433
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 2: apologized for, and there are some he has not, and

1434
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: to them, to critics, that makes him an unrepentant rapist.

1435
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 2: And I don't know that there's any way around that,

1436
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 2: to be quite candid with you, that seems Look.

1437
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 3: Let me pause you on that. Okay, what was the

1438
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 3: key part about Ali becoming the true legend that he became,

1439
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 3: that that you know, went so far above sports, went

1440
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 3: into you know.

1441
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 2: He refused when he refused to be drafted.

1442
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 4: Well, no, it was it was the turning it around

1443
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 4: late with all the philanthropy work. And I mean, he

1444
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 4: would you know, they would send Ali out to the

1445
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 4: Middle East and try to do you.

1446
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 2: Mean you mean you mean what got him on the

1447
01:03:58,600 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 2: good side I'm talking about.

1448
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, So when he went on the good side, you

1449
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 4: weren't talking anymore about draft dodging, about being a black panther,

1450
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 4: about all these things that made nineteen sixties and nineteen

1451
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 4: seventies White America be like, this guy's a villain. I mean,

1452
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 4: look at you know, Ali was a villain for a

1453
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 4: long stretch to certain pockets of the world, and then

1454
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 4: he became everyone's hero and the ambassador for this sport.

1455
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 4: Tyson's on the fast track to doing that, Luke, where

1456
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 4: I really think it's going to get to a point

1457
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 4: where it's like he's this lovable redemption story and character

1458
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 4: like and it's wild to think about.

1459
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 3: He's already had so many ups and downs.

1460
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 4: And personal turnarounds that there might be the biggest one

1461
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 4: possible for him.

1462
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 3: He's gonna be your ali for the next you know,

1463
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:40,439
Speaker 3: twenty thirty years.

1464
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit skeptical of that because he went

1465
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 2: to jail, and you know, you think about other athletes

1466
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 2: who have gone to jail, like Michael Vick. Michael Vick

1467
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 2: has made a pretty significant rehabilitation. Right he's on Fox.

1468
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if he calls games, but he's certainly

1469
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 2: in studio analyst. And even then, there are people who

1470
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 2: just will not forgive him. I'm not I'm not suggesting

1471
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 2: that they're right or wrong. You know, it's everyone's decision

1472
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 2: about how they want to treat what he did and

1473
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,480
Speaker 2: then subsequently how he has tried to atone for it.

1474
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 2: It's a it's a complicated debate, But the lesson I

1475
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 2: take from both Mike and Mike Vick is that rehabilitation

1476
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 2: is clearly possible in some ways to a pretty strong degree.

1477
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: But to become America's dad, you know, there's a certain

1478
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 2: wholesomeness there that has to that has to be there

1479
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 2: that I don't know that some of that baggage is

1480
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 2: ever gonna quite get shit. I could be wrong, we'll see.

1481
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: I mean, here's the thing. If you can sell two

1482
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 2: five and you're still not America's dad, who gives a shit? Right,

1483
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: You're you're America's you know, funny uncle. Oh, but you're

1484
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 2: still selling two five? I mean, gives a fuck at

1485
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 2: that point?

1486
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 5: You know.

1487
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 3: Well, let's see.

1488
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 4: Holyfield did put out a press release that said, quote,

1489
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 4: Luke my side tried to make the fight happen, and

1490
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 4: we got nothing but excuses. Now I can see why

1491
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 4: he wanted to tune up fight before thinking about fighting me.

1492
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 4: There's a lot of back and forth here. You'd have

1493
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 4: to think the fight's gonna happen. Mike seems to be

1494
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 4: interested despite that quote.

1495
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 2: Also, i've seen holy Field in person recently. He doesn't

1496
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,439
Speaker 2: move all that sprightly. I'm a little you know, take

1497
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 2: these press releases with a grain of salt.

1498
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, do you think this fight would be fun?

1499
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 2: It's not my thing, dude. It doesn't matter what I

1500
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 2: think you're asking me. Will it sell? I'll for sure

1501
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,200
Speaker 2: it will sell. Will it be fun? Two guys in

1502
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 2: their fucking fifties? I mean a hard pass, bro super

1503
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 2: hard pass.

1504
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 3: But soft?

1505
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 2: Come on?

1506
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 3: You got a soft pass?

1507
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 2: Me on that.

1508
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 3: It's a soft pass.

1509
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 2: Come on, Luke, all right, soft pass, soft pass, fine,

1510
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 2: soft pass. But it's not for me. It's just not

1511
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 2: it's not you know, it's Oh look, let's play country

1512
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 2: music for your birthday. Nah, I'm good, you know what

1513
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 2: I mean. It doesn't it's not gonna make me happy

1514
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 2: on my birthday, you know what I mean? All right,

1515
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 2: But now let's go to the side of boxing that

1516
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 2: nobody likes but is the most important important, which is

1517
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 2: the actual side of boxing. This weekend, Aerol Spitz and

1518
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 2: Danny Garcia fight BC. Danny Garcia talking about being, you know,

1519
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 2: in the shape of his life, how he's routinely underrated

1520
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 2: left hook Garcia from Philly. He wants to make it happen,

1521
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 2: set up this fight for everyone, What are you looking for?

1522
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 2: And what is at stake?

1523
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 3: Dude?

1524
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 4: This is like, in a weird way, slipped under the radar.

1525
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 4: It's a Fox pay per view this Saturday at at

1526
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 4: and T Stadium. Yeah, and it's a great fight on paper,

1527
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 4: it's and here's the key storyline, and here's the key

1528
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 4: element y why it's not only a great fight on paper,

1529
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 4: but it's elevated because of the unknown Spence, unbeaten, has

1530
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 4: two of the four welterweight titles, putting them on the

1531
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 4: line against Garcia, former two division champion, obviously fantastic fighters,

1532
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 4: still in his prime at thirty two. But the key

1533
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,479
Speaker 4: is Spence hasn't fought since October when he beat Sean

1534
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,800
Speaker 4: Porter in that classic pay per view duel they had,

1535
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 4: and then two weeks later had that absurd accident, flipped

1536
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 4: his ferrari a bunch of times, ejected from the vehicle,

1537
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 4: not wearing a seatbelt, you know, charged with DWI. Yet crazily,

1538
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 4: Luke walked away with no broken bones, neither of the

1539
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 4: new set of teeth, had a bunch of scrapes and bruises,

1540
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 4: but you know, he went to the Cleveland clinic to

1541
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 4: have his brain checked and everything is kosher. He's coming

1542
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 4: in here on a fourteen month layoff, no tune up.

1543
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 3: Fight went through the quarantine like everybody else and Erl Smith.

1544
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 4: Aerol Spence is going right back in there for his

1545
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 4: third straight pay per view, headlining it against the guy who. Look,

1546
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,839
Speaker 4: there's been some hate through the years for Danny Garcia.

1547
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 4: People put cherries on the Instagram, right.

1548
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 3: He fought Rod Salka.

1549
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 4: He got favorable scorecards against Mauricio Herrera and Lamont Peterson.

1550
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 4: I mean, look, there's been but at the same time,

1551
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 4: Garcia is really damn good, and I think from a

1552
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:35,640
Speaker 4: one punch standpoint, I think it's the biggest punch at

1553
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 4: Walter Wait. People give me so much shit for that,

1554
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 4: but that no look left hook is absolutely brutal in

1555
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 4: both divisions. He's in this fight because he can box right,

1556
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 4: same thing he did against Lucas Matisse many years ago

1557
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 4: when you and I were in Vegas for that Canelo

1558
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 4: Floyd fight. Now the difference is Errol Spence a you know,

1559
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 4: Lucas Matissa.

1560
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 3: It's a different hurdle here.

1561
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 4: But he's in this fight because he's patient, he's calm,

1562
01:08:58,360 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 4: and he's got an exit game.

1563
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 3: In terms of power, Luke. Just the questions alone of

1564
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 3: wanting to know whether Aero Spence can go through this

1565
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,799
Speaker 3: life changing thing and still be the same is without

1566
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 3: a doubt worthy of price of admission, as is what's

1567
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 3: at stake for the winner.

1568
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 4: They both everybody wants Pacquiao, Sean Porter wants the winner,

1569
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 4: te Keith Thurman wants the winner. I mean, there are

1570
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 4: no shortages, Terrence Crawford, there are no shortage of monster

1571
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 4: fights you can make, Luke. But it comes down to this,

1572
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 4: and I want to ask you this because the biggest storyline,

1573
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 4: and it's wild to think either way. There's one scenario,

1574
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 4: Luke where Spence will not be the same from this,

1575
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:36,480
Speaker 4: whether it's a physically, mentally.

1576
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:37,719
Speaker 3: Or a combination of both.

1577
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 4: And this could end up being a tougher fight than

1578
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 4: than the people favoring him expect.

1579
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 3: But what about the flip side, What about the fact

1580
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 3: that walking away from this accident, which he's called a miracle,

1581
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 3: he said he has angels, you know, protecting him.

1582
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,800
Speaker 4: He was straight up drinking at a club, there were

1583
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,759
Speaker 4: Footagivity's driving a Ferrari with no seatbelt at extreme speeds

1584
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 4: in Dallas. I mean, like he was living a reckless life.

1585
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 4: What if this somehow makes him better in the long run,

1586
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 4: because he admitted in the Morning Combat interview you can

1587
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 4: watch it where you know he was living out of control.

1588
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 3: What has he done since the accident. He bought a

1589
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 3: ranch and a farm, He's got horses, He's got his

1590
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 3: family there.

1591
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 4: He moved out of Dallas like he is taking it seriously, living, breathing, sleeping, boxing.

1592
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 3: Which side do you think that falls on?

1593
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,799
Speaker 4: That he's worse off for going through that, or somehow

1594
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 4: even better long term?

1595
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 2: Tend to think better? Right, worse off he would? I'd

1596
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 2: be a lot more concerned if he was doing the

1597
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 2: same kinds of things. And obviously, with you know, bars

1598
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 2: and clubs and restaurants being closed or impacted in the

1599
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 2: way that they are, it has, you know, put a

1600
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 2: real hurt in on the town. Drunks opportunity to go

1601
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 2: to his local watering hole. But I think tend to

1602
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 2: moving out is probably a good thing. I'm not a

1603
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 2: big believer that the crash is majorly impactful. To be

1604
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 2: quite honest with you, I think that it was a

1605
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:04,520
Speaker 2: maybe wake up call, certainly scary. It required some hospitalization,

1606
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 2: but it didn't like shred his knees or his shoulders

1607
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 2: or his elbows. It didn't affect his mobility really in

1608
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 2: any kind of way other than for a very very

1609
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 2: minor short amount of time caused some lacerations, but that's

1610
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 2: really about it. So that's scary and that is real,

1611
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: and I take that seriously, and thank god he is okay, obviously,

1612
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 2: But it didn't you know, this wasn't Alex Smith, or

1613
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 2: this wasn't Joe thisman, or you know, I don't know,

1614
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 2: somebody getting in a car wreck and then having to

1615
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 2: get their shoulder reattached. It wasn't any of those things

1616
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 2: where you not only have the trauma of the event,

1617
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 2: you have the physical trauma that you have to deal with.

1618
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 2: There was no videos of Spence learning how to walk again,

1619
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 2: you know, in some kind of hospital ward. It was

1620
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 2: kind of in and out and then he made this switch.

1621
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 2: So to me, I take the trauma of the accident seriously,

1622
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 2: but given how lucky he was, there's not much more

1623
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 2: to it than that. So the question is, like, what

1624
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 2: do you really expect from Danny Garcia? You know what's funny, man,

1625
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Like Danny Garcia can box his ass off.

1626
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 2: I looked at the odds, they're not too far apart.

1627
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 2: They've got Spence at about minus four hundred, Garcia about

1628
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 2: plus three hundred. Obviously Garcia has that monster left hook.

1629
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 2: But you know what, I can't find I can't find

1630
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 2: anybody who when it's other than you know, Angel Garcia,

1631
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 2: mister on hell. I can't find anybody when it's time

1632
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 2: to say, which way are you going on this? I

1633
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 2: can't find anybody who's like, you know, I really got Garcia.

1634
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 2: You know, they take Garcia seriously as a potential threat,

1635
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 2: but only if something goes like calamitously wrong for Spence.

1636
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 2: And I don't really see anybody be like, here is

1637
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 2: the case for Danny Garcia as the better boxer. That's

1638
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 2: just missing from the conversation. So for those reasons, you

1639
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 2: have to think Spence is gonna win.

1640
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 3: Well, Garcia does have like a plus chin, he's got

1641
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 3: great power. He's a better boxer than you think.

1642
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 4: But yes, is he gonna go out there and out

1643
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 4: box Spence? Not likely unless there's knockdowns? Right, could he not?

1644
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 3: Could he finish Spence? Certainly, it's it's in play.

1645
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 4: But Spence has absolutely ripped Luke and ready for this

1646
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 4: physically that if nothing's wrong, and the recovery of the

1647
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 4: layoff and the mental strain of the accident and all that.

1648
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 3: And look what he said to me was, uh, he

1649
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 3: doesn't remember any of it, Luke.

1650
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 4: He has no memory of the accident, no memory of

1651
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 4: the three weeks he spent in the hospital. His first

1652
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 4: memory is waking up at home the first day that

1653
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 4: he was brought home. And while I mean, there's certainly

1654
01:13:28,120 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 4: something alarming in that, at the same time, Luke, I

1655
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,719
Speaker 4: wonder if that has removed some of the the potential

1656
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 4: mental hurdles that could be there from this, you know

1657
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 4: what I mean, if maybe it was almost like a

1658
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 4: dream to him, and now it's like, okay.

1659
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just to say he was doing what he

1660
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 2: was doing before. Why would go why would be Why

1661
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 2: would doing what he's doing now make it worse?

1662
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1663
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 4: And well he was starting to blow up between fights

1664
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 4: and get a little chubby, and we saw it. Look

1665
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 4: when he walked in on You remember when Sean Porter

1666
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 4: beat Danny Garcia and Spence walked into the ring and

1667
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 4: said were good friends.

1668
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 3: I love your dada. Let's get it on, dude.

1669
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 4: He was drunk as shit during that and I remember

1670
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 4: like none of us really wanted to say anything on Twitter,

1671
01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 4: and there was backstage.

1672
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 3: Interviews where he was slurring his words.

1673
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 4: I mean, he said like this was the recommitment he

1674
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 4: needed to know that I need to be in shape

1675
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 4: all year long, which is obviously what the greats do

1676
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 4: to always be ready and to sort of clean up

1677
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 4: some of the you know, I'm walking on water, I'm a.

1678
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 3: Star, I'm a stud type of thing.

1679
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 4: If he comes out there and boxes, Look, the Danny

1680
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:29,679
Speaker 4: Garcia's biggest kryptonite, Luke.

1681
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:31,759
Speaker 3: Is he does not have elite level foot speed.

1682
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 4: So people like Lamat Peterson people in the past have

1683
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 4: been able to I mean even Keith.

1684
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 3: Thurman, who was able to use quickness to sort of

1685
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 3: out box him. You gotta have a big punch to

1686
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 3: keep him away. But if Spence decides to box and

1687
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 3: use his length.

1688
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 4: There are reasons to believe this could end up being

1689
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:51,839
Speaker 4: a you know, eight rounds to four, clear and solid

1690
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 4: decision win for him.

1691
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 3: If he's back and he's ready, I can't wait to

1692
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 3: see it.

1693
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it'll be fun. I for

1694
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 2: sure think it'll be competitive. It's just like what's the

1695
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 2: road to Garcia getting the majority of the rounds or

1696
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 2: you know, knocking him down or stopping him with strikes.

1697
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 2: You know, it's like, I don't well, I don't know

1698
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 2: that I still a clear path for that.

1699
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 4: Let me just say this, though, handicapping this fight is

1700
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 4: not really all that different from handicapping when Keith Thurman

1701
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:22,879
Speaker 4: fought Danny Garcia in March.

1702
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 3: Of twenty seventeen, almost sort of the same thing.

1703
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 4: Keith Thurman a complete fighter in the same way Spence's

1704
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 4: quick can box has great power.

1705
01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:30,719
Speaker 3: All that.

1706
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 4: Thurman came out in a little great against Garcia early.

1707
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 4: But you remember that fight, Luke, it was a split decision.

1708
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,599
Speaker 4: Everyone's scorecard was basically one fifteen, one to thirteen either way.

1709
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 4: Thurman tasted Garcia's power and he sort of changed and

1710
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 4: he got more defensive, and he left the back door open,

1711
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 4: and Garcia filled that hole and he came on and

1712
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 4: he rallied. You have to wonder if there's potential that

1713
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:54,719
Speaker 4: I think Spence that has a better chin than Thurman

1714
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 4: and has more of a willingness to stand in there

1715
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 4: like he did against Porter. But I just wanted to

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Speaker 4: say that to say I didn't think there was an

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01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 4: avenue for Danny Garcia against Keith Thurman, even though I

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01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 4: love that fight, and he made it pretty damn close.

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Speaker 2: Well, the last time that Garcia has fought elite opposition

1720
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 2: it was the sewn Quarter fight, which was September of

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01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. And then he fought Adrian Granados, who hasn't

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01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 2: fought since that time.

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Speaker 4: And then he knocked He knocked the stuffing out of Granados,

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01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:19,839
Speaker 4: and nobody does Okay.

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01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, but he had seven losses heading into

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01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:23,600
Speaker 2: that contest. It's not like he was fighting a.

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01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 4: Lot of controversial decisions, but yes it was. It was

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01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 4: not an a plus win, yes, all right.

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01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 2: And then he fought I haven't redcatch. Now, we were

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01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 2: there for that, we were working with Showtime, and that

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01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 2: was a dominant performance by Garcia, but you know, he

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01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 2: was also getting booed by the end there a little

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01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 2: bit because it went the full distance for a guy

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01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 2: who was basically overmatched. Now, maybe that was a stay

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01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 2: busy fight. No, in fact, it was definitely a stay

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01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:46,680
Speaker 2: busy fight, and he was fighting a little bit more

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01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 2: carefully as a consequence. I'm just saying, the last time

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01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 2: you've seen like a shining like Garcia at his absolute

1739
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 2: best against elite opposition. What would you say, Brandon Rios

1740
01:16:58,439 --> 01:16:59,320
Speaker 2: even then a little bit?

1741
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 3: Peterson Rios a little washy. Malanaji was washy in that fight.

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01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 3: Peterson was probably the last. And guess what I had

1743
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 3: Peterson beating him. So yeah, I mean, look, this is

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01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 3: a point while taking Luke he's he's a great elite

1745
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 3: b side. He's Look.

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01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:18,879
Speaker 4: He was asked by uh Mike Coppinger on the Athletic podcast,

1747
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 4: like if you beat Spence, is this cement the hall

1748
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 4: of fame?

1749
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 3: And Danny was like, dude, I'm already in the Hall

1750
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 3: of fame.

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01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 4: And you know what, Luke, he's got one of those

1752
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 4: resumes where you're like, he has beaten a lot of.

1753
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 3: Big names, you know what I mean?

1754
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 4: Like, but your but yet to your point, when was

1755
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 4: the last straight up elite foe that he beat straight up?

1756
01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 3: Was it Lucas Matisa in twenty thirteen?

1757
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 2: Maybe it's been a while, all right. Well, with that

1758
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 2: in mind, those are our top five BC. It's time

1759
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,800
Speaker 2: to have a little fun. What's been happening on social media?

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01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:51,480
Speaker 6: Good sir, hey, This time for SJAW Social Justice Wednesdays

1761
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 6: it's a No Jay Wednesday of course as well, and

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01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 6: let's bring in the honorable one Luke bader Ginsburg.

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01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 4: A lot of talk on the internet, Luke, whether this

1764
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 4: segment has run its course, but we're gonna try to

1765
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 4: resuscitate it.

1766
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 3: All right, let's really run.

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01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, look, we're trying to figure out

1768
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 2: what to do with our Wednesday and Friday shows. Suck

1769
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 2: a dick, everybody, all right?

1770
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 4: Well, look, there's been a lot of activity post Jake

1771
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 4: Paul knockout of Nate Robinson. Everyone's getting involved, including Dylan Danis,

1772
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,680
Speaker 4: who was called out by Jake Paul following the knockout.

1773
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:23,919
Speaker 4: So Danis tweeted, you just fought a retired NBA reject.

1774
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:27,640
Speaker 4: Be careful what you wish for little guy at Jake Paul.

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01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 3: Okay.

1776
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 4: So then Danis tweets this photo of Jake Paul and writes,

1777
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 4: dance for me, bitch at Jake Paul wearing the Winnie.

1778
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 3: The Pooh Tigger costumes. Okay, that's weird. And then uh,

1779
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 3: Dravonte steps in. How do we get here? Luke? He

1780
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 3: responds to the fan comments saying Jake Paul should have

1781
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 3: called out Dravonte and he said he would have been

1782
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,640
Speaker 3: to sleep next to Nate if he did that.

1783
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, I mean, look, if you're Dravonte, Luke,

1784
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 4: you're not gonna you're not at a fan clowny about

1785
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 4: Jake Paul, right, I mean, you're gonna come out swinging.

1786
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 4: So then Jake Paul quote tweeted that with Dannis's name

1787
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 4: in it and said, I at King Ryan Garcia, handle

1788
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 4: this light work for me talking about Gervante. Okay, all right,

1789
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 4: interesting shout out there. Then things got weird, Luke, because uh,

1790
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:19,720
Speaker 4: our old MMA veteran Jose Canseco has has entered the conversation.

1791
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 4: He said, I will fight any one of the Logan brothers.

1792
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 4: They have enough for anyone with any type of talent

1793
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 4: yet or fighting skills. I don't think that's English, Luke,

1794
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 4: but Jose wants in. You remember that time he fought

1795
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 4: Hongman CHOI right, yeah.

1796
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 2: I will fight any one of the Logan any of

1797
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 2: the Logan brothers. They have enough for anyone with any

1798
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:48,960
Speaker 2: type of talent yet or fighting skills. Problems at home.

1799
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 4: The teto Ortiz can cot that tweet for him, Luke,

1800
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 4: all right, sorry, I'll tie it up here uh so

1801
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 4: then it continued to get weird because Logan Paul quote

1802
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 4: tweet and by the way, isn't the I found out

1803
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 4: this afterwards that Logan Paul used to sleep with Jose's daughter.

1804
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 4: Because here it comes Logan Paul quote tweet and said,

1805
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 4: no problem, I love smashing Conseko's Luke.

1806
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 3: That's a plus work right there, judge.

1807
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 2: And all of this has been unbearably stupid up until

1808
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 2: this point, and this is equally stupid. But that's a

1809
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:20,720
Speaker 2: nice thing, Okay, very good.

1810
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 4: Well, hey, Luke, we got Daniel Corbier somehow he joined this.

1811
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:29,000
Speaker 4: He posted an image with a caption of Danis and

1812
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,680
Speaker 4: during the DC and Helwani show at ESPN, I heard

1813
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:35,080
Speaker 4: it's a popular fight podcast. He said, Connor beats Jake

1814
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 4: Paul in the boxing match, but Jake Paul beats Dylan Danis.

1815
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,240
Speaker 4: Dylan does not need to fight Jake Paul because he'll

1816
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 4: get beat up. Wow, all right, I mean we said

1817
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 4: the same thing on our show, Luke more or less,

1818
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 4: but DC brought it, brought it straight and direct. Well,

1819
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 4: Dylan Danis didn't like that, so he came back and

1820
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 4: quote tweeted DC and said, watch that fat mouth before I.

1821
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 3: Shut it with a little bit of a photoshop in there.

1822
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 2: Okay, is Dylan Dannis the absolute worst? I mean he

1823
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:03,400
Speaker 2: might be.

1824
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 3: I love him. I love him, I don't care.

1825
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 4: I love him and I and he sucks, and I

1826
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 4: love that.

1827
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 3: I love I love the troll of him. Well.

1828
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 4: DC ended the debate with a quote tweet saying, Dannis,

1829
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 4: sit your ass down before I called Jake Paul.

1830
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 2: Oh, DC, get his ass. That is great, all right,

1831
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 2: So let me adjudicate this one. Your winners here by

1832
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 2: absolute first round, Ko Logan Paul for the Conseko's line,

1833
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,880
Speaker 2: and then Daniel Cormier. Everyone else, including Jervonte, being a

1834
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 2: loser in this one, because Jervonte, why are you bothering

1835
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 2: with these you know vermin, these these these leeches, They're

1836
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,560
Speaker 2: not even in the same I mean, it is insulting

1837
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 2: to even consider them of being in the same profession.

1838
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 2: Please don't do that to yourself. You no need. But

1839
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 2: that zing from Cormier was fucking hilarious. That was great.

1840
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 2: That made my day. God bless her.

1841
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 3: Judge. What an American judge, Luke Bader Ginsburg.

1842
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 4: We need you to weigh in here, not on who won,

1843
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,839
Speaker 4: but trying to decipher what these tweets mean on Social

1844
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 4: Justice Wednesday. Of this morning, manager of the Stars, Ali

1845
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 4: Abdelazi's came out and tweeted GSP with triple I emojis luke.

1846
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: Okay, all right? Is that that's it?

1847
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 4: I want you first knowing that that Habib's gonna meet

1848
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 4: with Dana.

1849
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 3: What's Ali doing right here? He's stern some shit up?

1850
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 2: Right, stern some shit up? But you know, it's hard

1851
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 2: to tell if he's reacting to something or if he's

1852
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 2: trying to create something to react to. You know what

1853
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 2: I mean?

1854
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 3: He is a he is a smart man in that regard.

1855
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 4: Well, Connor McGregor saw that I'm guessing, and then he

1856
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 4: fired off the next few tweets here he tweeted shitty

1857
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 4: jocks okay, Then he tweeted you can run, but you

1858
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 4: can't hide.

1859
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,640
Speaker 3: This is all this morning, and then Connor ended with

1860
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,719
Speaker 3: don't be scared, homie. Are these two things related?

1861
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:19,719
Speaker 2: Judge Ginsburg, didn't Habib also say I've choked out Dustin

1862
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,759
Speaker 2: and Connor? Why would I want to fight either of them?

1863
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 5: Think?

1864
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I have to assume this is all related.

1865
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 2: Right, it has to be right. It has to be,

1866
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 2: But like, why would you put the first two not

1867
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 2: in quotations, but then the third one you would not?

1868
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 2: I get it. It's Nate's line, or it's it's a

1869
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 2: Nick's line. Whoever said it anymore, I can't remember, but

1870
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:45,759
Speaker 2: it's the Das brothers line. Why would you put in quotations?

1871
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 2: I get that you're attributing it to them, but you're

1872
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 2: applying it for your own ends.

1873
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 4: I wonder if that's a reference to Nate saying he

1874
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 4: slapped Habib and Habib did nothing about it.

1875
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1876
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,560
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know. Here's what this is why I

1877
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 2: don't fallow any of these people on Twitter. This is

1878
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 2: this is why.

1879
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 3: This all right, we'll see if this segment lives another day.

1880
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 3: But that's your that's your social justice for the week. Luke.

1881
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 3: Let's get into a segment that always wins every Wednesday.

1882
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 2: Let's do it. Let's do it.

1883
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 3: It's it's called fan submissions. So here's what you need

1884
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 3: to do.

1885
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 4: D m me hit us up at morning combat at

1886
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:20,639
Speaker 4: gmail dot.

1887
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 2: Can I say something very quickly, don't hit me up.

1888
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:27,560
Speaker 2: I'm not the guy. Send it to BC or morningcombat

1889
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,200
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. Don't send it to me please.

1890
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:31,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm.

1891
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 4: The one, the one you love, so please send that

1892
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 4: to me. So this is if you don't already know

1893
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 4: your artwork, your submissions, wearing our merch, whatever you want

1894
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 4: to do to join our community and get on the show.

1895
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 3: Let's kick it off here, Luke with Scott m Rizzo.

1896
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 3: This guy's making some moves lately, Luke, Scott R. Scott,

1897
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 3: I don't think it's Scott R. This is Scott Rizzo. Yeah, yeah,

1898
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 3: that's our guy.

1899
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 2: We got it.

1900
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 4: So what makes this great is you and I are

1901
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 4: the handsome uh you know darlings here of the early eighties,

1902
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 4: which was my favorite show as a kid, without questioning.

1903
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 4: And our boss hog is Dana White with the with

1904
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 4: the cigar, which is hilarious.

1905
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 2: Luke, So we you and I are Bow and Luke Duke.

1906
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:18,599
Speaker 2: By the way, you look like a Paul Brother if

1907
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:20,520
Speaker 2: ever there was one.

1908
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 4: You actually look like the dude that plays is that

1909
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 4: Tom Schneider or something?

1910
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 2: Or I look like some nineteen eighties forgotten you know,

1911
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 2: c list porn actor. Yeah, in desperate need of a barber.

1912
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 2: And then you got yeah where's Roscoe Pico train? Where's

1913
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,480
Speaker 2: all these guys, but this is fucking hilarious.

1914
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 3: Well, Scott Rizzo was also working hard.

1915
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 4: Look, he picked out an obscure moment from our documentary

1916
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 4: MK the Return to the Studio because he couldn't take

1917
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 4: his eyes off one part of it.

1918
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 2: So, look, you know, I didn't even I even mentioned

1919
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 2: this luggage to you. Let me guess. Rather than buying

1920
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 2: a normal piece of luggage and then putting some kind

1921
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 2: of like, you know, sticker on it or some kind

1922
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 2: of identifying marker so you could easily get it at

1923
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 2: baggage claim, your idea was let me go and rip

1924
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 2: out the carpet in a motel six and use it

1925
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 2: to make luggage so that it is also identifiable at

1926
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Speaker 2: baggage claim.

1927
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Speaker 4: So I've had a few times where this became embarrassing

1928
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 4: that I have this in public.

1929
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 3: Why do I have this? My wife loves purple, and

1930
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:28,559
Speaker 3: she thought, let's pick.

1931
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 4: Out a bag that will be easily seen on the

1932
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 4: baggage carousel. You're correct, Luke, So this has become my

1933
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 4: travel bag. I get some dirty looks and I always forget, like, hey,

1934
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 4: maybe this bag's lame.

1935
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 3: I shouldn't travel with it.

1936
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 4: Well, then our folks at the MK did a long

1937
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:44,759
Speaker 4: shot to end the documentary on that bag for some reason.

1938
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 3: So yes, it was distracting. Scott Rizzo. I need I

1939
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 3: need Manly or man bags.

1940
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 2: But I mean that is that? I mean, this is

1941
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:55,919
Speaker 2: you know, the good news is it's Bill Cosby pre rapist.

1942
01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 2: But the bad news is it's Bill Cosby.

1943
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 3: Oh I called me, you got me? You call me

1944
01:27:06,160 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 3: off guard? Then all right, Well, speaking of the Campbell family, Luke,

1945
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:12,719
Speaker 3: what do we got next?

1946
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, that's my dad, Chris Campbell in Florida. Yeah,

1947
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:23,639
Speaker 4: so he already owned MK merch because he's my dad

1948
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 4: and he loves me. But somebody gifted him for his

1949
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 4: birthday with this MK sweatshirt.

1950
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 3: So he's wearing it to show it off.

1951
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 4: But look, as I was looking at him, I'm like,

1952
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 4: are you on the road to becoming my dad?

1953
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 3: I mean, is this like looking in the mirror?

1954
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 2: You know what? I'm not too far away from that.

1955
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:45,480
Speaker 2: I typically don't wear the black jeans with the black sweatshirt.

1956
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 3: Black jeans and black motorcycle T shirt every day of.

1957
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 2: The year, you know what. God bless this fine American,

1958
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 2: I gotta say, though not too far apart now, I

1959
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 2: am going to get a haircut later today, but not

1960
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,600
Speaker 2: too far apart. Jesus Christ, your pops, you got some

1961
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 2: thick ass fingers too. Look at those Look at those

1962
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 2: Vianna sausages. God damn.

1963
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1964
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a big dude. Yeah, shout out to pops.

1965
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 2: Right there. Bro, your dad and my dad do not

1966
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 2: look the same. Well that's not quatch. My dad's got

1967
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 2: a beard and gray hair and all that kind of stuff.

1968
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 4: Will we ever get fan submission Robert Thomas wearing the

1969
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 4: MK gear.

1970
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 3: Will it ever happen?

1971
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 2: You'll find the cure to cancer before you ever get that.

1972
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, all right, well let's get weird here. Luke

1973
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 4: Todd m has a very accurate represented. Yeah. Well, Luke,

1974
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 4: let's you and I have our old guys sitting on

1975
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 4: the toilet.

1976
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 3: What do we have? What do we have in our possession? Forties?

1977
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 2: All right, we got some forties. By the way. I

1978
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:57,600
Speaker 2: don't know if you noticed this, and maybe this is unintentional,

1979
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:01,519
Speaker 2: but the empty forties are the plastic and the ones

1980
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 2: that are filled have glass. I know we had a

1981
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 2: conversation about that briefly. Yeah, did we talk about playing

1982
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 2: battleship on the toilet.

1983
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:11,560
Speaker 3: I don't recall, no, but that is hilarious.

1984
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 4: We both have laptops on our laps. If you are

1985
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 4: only hearing the audio version, and I'm exclaiming I sunk

1986
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 4: your battleship, and it says toilet combat and the look.

1987
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 2: At the oh, look at the other. It's almost like

1988
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 2: the Oregon Oh. I'll say this. I used to play

1989
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 2: battleship with my brother when I was a kid, and

1990
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 2: I cheated on that game more than you know, a

1991
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 2: pro athlete in the NBA cheats on his wife went

1992
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:39,160
Speaker 2: on the road. He would be like, oh, see seven,

1993
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 2: which would be directly on one of my ships, And

1994
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 2: I would just put the red pin in one of

1995
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:46,559
Speaker 2: my ships, but then not tell them it was it

1996
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,640
Speaker 2: was actually it was actually one of his things. And

1997
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 2: I would sink, like all of his ships but one.

1998
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 2: He'd be like, dude, how have I not hit any

1999
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 2: of your fucking ships? And I turn it around and

2000
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:58,960
Speaker 2: it would be all my ships all sunk. I just

2001
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't say. I just wouldn't say.

2002
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 3: Is this a direct reference to Harold and Kumar? Was

2003
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:06,520
Speaker 3: that the movie with the I Sunk Your Battleship?

2004
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 2: Maybe I've only seen the Harold and Kumar Christmas Special.

2005
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 2: I've not seen the other one, the real one.

2006
01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 3: Oh.

2007
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 4: I rocked it on the airplane a couple months ago

2008
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 4: after a couple of gummies.

2009
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 3: It's fantastic. It's still, it's still, it's still absolutely holds up.

2010
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 4: All right, let's let's roll on here. Wouldn't be MK

2011
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 4: Wednesday with our guy Dickles. Okay, so here is a

2012
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 4: play on the movie.

2013
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:30,680
Speaker 3: I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry. It says, I

2014
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 3: now pronounce you morning combat.

2015
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 2: Well, I can't read what it says below our names.

2016
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 3: I yeah, I can't either.

2017
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 2: Gath there is straight as can be. But tell no

2018
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 2: one you see I recently saw this movie on Netflix.

2019
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 2: They dropped the six letter F word several times in

2020
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,719
Speaker 2: this movie. Not not as passive as I thought.

2021
01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it yet, Luke, I haven't seen it,

2022
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 3: but it's funny. Well down there, Dick calls his back.

2023
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 3: He sent us this edit from the movie True Wise.

2024
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,560
Speaker 2: Are you Jamie Lee Curtis?

2025
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 4: Yes, that's a great scene, by the way, an epic scene.

2026
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:20,520
Speaker 4: I'm Jamie Lee Curtis dancing, remember when she was undercover

2027
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:23,799
Speaker 4: and you're Arnold in the shadows sitting in the corner.

2028
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 2: That is gross.

2029
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 3: She was pretty hot in that scene, Luke, Okay.

2030
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was peak Jamie Lee Curtis, Jesus

2031
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:37,599
Speaker 2: Christ is gross. Ye turns off and we just bang.

2032
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 2: I don't.

2033
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 4: There's probably more likely, Luke, that we fight, right, I mean,

2034
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 4: how what is the what is the shelf life of

2035
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:49,640
Speaker 4: this show in our on screen relationship?

2036
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 3: It's well, we're gonna test that, right, We're gonna put

2037
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 3: it to the test. Oh.

2038
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 2: I think it'll I mean, as long as they keep

2039
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 2: paying us, it'll last a while. Like I said, it

2040
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 2: will eventually flame out, but I just don't know. I

2041
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 2: don't won't be soon.

2042
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 3: So you think it'll flame out before we fade away?

2043
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 3: Is really where you're going with that? All right, Luke?

2044
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:09,519
Speaker 3: We got another one here. I think this is dick

2045
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 3: Holes again with an Orchids of Combat meme.

2046
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 4: It's you and I knocking on the door of the

2047
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 4: studio from the documentary with a nice Orchids of Combat

2048
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 4: sign on it, and then it says moments later, there's

2049
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:26,759
Speaker 4: a couple weird o faces going.

2050
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 2: On there, Luke, what are you holding towels?

2051
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:34,080
Speaker 3: I got an umbrella there, that's an umbrella and I've.

2052
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 2: Got it, yeah, over my shoulder.

2053
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 3: Yes, those are towels.

2054
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 4: Edited in by dickles we I don't know much about

2055
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 4: this man, but he's uh, he's in the webscream Hall

2056
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:43,559
Speaker 4: of Fame, so I'll give him credit.

2057
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:45,839
Speaker 2: Now, this is faz, This is you know what again?

2058
01:32:47,000 --> 01:32:50,719
Speaker 2: Just two dudes exploring sexuality in their forties apparently.

2059
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 3: And we'll end with this.

2060
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:58,680
Speaker 4: Luke dick Holes, I believe created a a video of

2061
01:32:58,800 --> 01:32:59,759
Speaker 4: all my rents.

2062
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 3: Can we show me right here through my heart?

2063
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 4: You'd still be able to see through my isocam what

2064
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 4: I'm all about?

2065
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:09,679
Speaker 3: Fucking fighting? Yeah, I'm the sauce.

2066
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 4: You know, Bro, You're just a in the end, you're

2067
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:13,680
Speaker 4: an important piece of meat, but you know you're an

2068
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 4: unseasoned dead animal at the end of the day, all right.

2069
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 4: What Luke doesn't understand is that if you don't seasoned

2070
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 4: beef correctly, it's just a dead animal.

2071
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 3: And while you know, Luke may bring like you know,

2072
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 3: it's just he's an ex marine sergeant. He may bring

2073
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 3: a powerful presence, he may bring.

2074
01:33:33,880 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 4: A you know, fandom, an established you know audience.

2075
01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 2: But oh my gosh, it's a piece of.

2076
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 3: Meat at the end of the day.

2077
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 4: If I'm not throwing that pepper on top of that steak,

2078
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 4: you know, he's just another carcass, psychological car.

2079
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 2: Oh that's well done.

2080
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:59,080
Speaker 3: Oh look up the damn sauce. That is so well done.

2081
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:02,680
Speaker 2: Wow, dude, that is that is They should have made

2082
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:04,839
Speaker 2: you as like Salt Bay right doing.

2083
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 3: The Yeah, that was fantastic.

2084
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:11,799
Speaker 2: This guy dickles Man, I'm telling you him and Scott

2085
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,160
Speaker 2: what was it Scott Rizzo or whoever the scott are. Yeah,

2086
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 2: they are. They are quite the talents, quite the talent.

2087
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 3: They're very prolific. Yes, they're fantastic.

2088
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 4: Well done. Thank you to all the fans. Morningcombat at

2089
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:24,719
Speaker 4: gmail dot com. If you want to join the party,

2090
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 4: I know we've got people working on new theme songs

2091
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:27,840
Speaker 4: for us.

2092
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 3: We got a a lot of good stuff going on

2093
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 3: as we do. All right. Yeah, people hit me up

2094
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 3: all the time. They're telling me of the stuff they're

2095
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 3: gonna work on. I mean people, they love this, Luke,

2096
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 3: they love this thing.

2097
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna we're willing to give it to you

2098
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:43,799
Speaker 4: more than three times a week MK, all day, nearly

2099
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 4: every day.

2100
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:45,920
Speaker 3: So that's all right there.

2101
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 2: So let's plug it real quick. Tomorrow three pm. My

2102
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:50,080
Speaker 2: live chat is back, and of course be right here

2103
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 2: at Morning Combat. Secondly, BC will be on NBC Sports BC.

2104
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 2: What time does the broadcast start?

2105
01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 3: Nine pm Eastern live from the parking of the famed

2106
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 3: Wild Card Boxing Club in Los Angeles.

2107
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 2: Yes, are you gonna have gloves on again? Like a

2108
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:05,839
Speaker 2: weird murderer.

2109
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 3: I will try to remove them this time and see

2110
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:10,920
Speaker 3: if I can pull it the commission. They're on us.

2111
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 2: Look, they're on us. Okay, I can believe it. I

2112
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 2: can believe it all right. So if you would like

2113
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:18,280
Speaker 2: to get more Showtime and various other things, you can

2114
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 2: go to Showtime dot com thirty day free trial. If

2115
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:22,320
Speaker 2: you like it, you can keep it. If not, you

2116
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 2: can pound sand. Let's see merch like this, mugs, hats, cups,

2117
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Christmas not too far away, Go ahead

2118
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 2: and get in on it. You can go to store

2119
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,599
Speaker 2: dot show dot com. We are on social media as well.

2120
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:37,559
Speaker 2: BC and I are both on Twitter and Instagram, as

2121
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 2: is Morning Combat. Morning Combat is consistent, same name all

2122
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 2: the way through from YouTube, Twitter, Instagram. For us, it

2123
01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 2: tends to vary, so take a screenshot there and then

2124
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 2: you can find us, but please, you know, follow like

2125
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 2: the video, hit subscribe and then follow us on social media,

2126
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 2: and of course PC plugged it Morningcombat at gmail dot

2127
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 2: com because we need your submissions for Dead Wrong, which

2128
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 2: we'll do on Friday. What do we get wrong either

2129
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 2: one of us let us know, send us email and

2130
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 2: make sure it's correct. Please double check your work. Huh

2131
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:07,240
Speaker 2: your algebra?

2132
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:09,560
Speaker 3: Dirty deeds?

2133
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 5: Oi?

2134
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:16,640
Speaker 3: Oi, oi, dirty deeds. I'm done? Oh might dirty?

2135
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 2: Alright, listen, let me read to you my Hall of

2136
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 2: Fame list and then shut the fuck up. All right?

2137
01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:26,640
Speaker 2: Do that. The Hector Camacho documentary will be on Friday.

2138
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 2: We'll have more interviews with that, I believe out today

2139
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 2: from the director with BC, so be on the lookout

2140
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:35,640
Speaker 2: for it, plus the Portia interview Spence Garcia, lots of

2141
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 2: stuff out there.

2142
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,599
Speaker 4: Please, you're gonna be chatting with with Sean Porter today

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Speaker 4: for a Morning Comedies. She crossed the hall in the

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Speaker 4: fought both Garcia and Spence obviously, so he'll be an

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Speaker 4: interested spectator in Saturday's pay per view maybe fight in

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Speaker 4: the winner. So look for that, Luke, look for look

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Speaker 4: for it. All, just keep looking, you're gonna find it,

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Speaker 4: all right.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, there you have it, BC. Enjoy your broadcast.

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Speaker 2: Be safe. We'll see you tomorrow on tele Vision. I'll

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Speaker 2: see you guys tomorrow right here at Morning Combat for

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Speaker 2: my live chat for everyone at Malka and Showtime. That's

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Speaker 2: Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. Until next time, may all

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Speaker 2: of your gains be loyal.