WEBVTT - Gape Expectations

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<v Speaker 1>I had this nightmare that I was cast onto drag

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<v Speaker 1>Grace and I was competing in the profits. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a moment during the show where the cameras were down

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<v Speaker 1>and I needed to go use the bathroom. And when

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<v Speaker 1>I was taking a ship, they were like calling like places, places,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, fuck, I need to like go,

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<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden, the walls of the

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<v Speaker 1>bathroom dropped and I was sitting on the toy that

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<v Speaker 1>in front of the entire cast of this Drag Race

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<v Speaker 1>season and Row laughing at me, and the whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>had been staged. I'm not proud of this, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>never been on the Dakota Johnson train. You know what,

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<v Speaker 1>fran I will not accept any Dakota Johnson slander, because

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<v Speaker 1>today we are lifting Dakota up and celebration and thanking

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<v Speaker 1>her for the amazing, incredible show stopping never the same bus, club,

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<v Speaker 1>another club, another club, bus, no sleep, next plane, no sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>Gift that she gave the world, which is fifty shades

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<v Speaker 1>of gray, yes, and then after that, of course, becoming

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<v Speaker 1>the crew the director of a very bougie lube company

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<v Speaker 1>that I will say I was a fan of before

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<v Speaker 1>she hopped Onto, but it is a great loop Virgins.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we are talking about fifty shades of great, not

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<v Speaker 1>just the movies, not just the books, but the fifty

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<v Speaker 1>shades of great phenomenon, which is you know that these

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<v Speaker 1>are the best selling books of the twenty tents. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a moment in pop culture, took pop culture

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<v Speaker 1>by storm, and we will be revisiting it because this

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<v Speaker 1>is like a Virgin the show where we give yesterday's

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<v Speaker 1>pop culture today's takes. I'm ros Damo and I'm Fran Toroto. Fran,

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<v Speaker 1>are you ready to be tied up and dominated? Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you're asking for my consent? Um? No, okay, And I

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<v Speaker 1>guess podcast over and just like that season one, and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean what I'm hoping is the only season of

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<v Speaker 1>and just like that, but probably won't be has ended.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you think? What did you think of the finale?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you hated it obviously, but what's your nuanced

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<v Speaker 1>and can you provide analysis of why you hated it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>There were parts of it that I liked, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>loved Carrie's dress in Paris incredible, although he did she

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<v Speaker 1>should have been wearing the carry necklace. Um. I loved Harry.

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<v Speaker 1>Harry was amazing. Let's let's start with Harri okay, because

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<v Speaker 1>Harry sucked up every scene. Harry like now joins the

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<v Speaker 1>legacy of iconic Sex in the City guest stars. That's

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<v Speaker 1>so true. She really brought that zaney nous back into

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<v Speaker 1>Sex in the City. I think that's something that's really

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<v Speaker 1>were we were missing from this reboot. And just like

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<v Speaker 1>that universe is so much And here's the thing. The

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<v Speaker 1>buzz around Harry is a lot. And they originally had

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<v Speaker 1>her reading for the book publisher role, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>had her comeback in and they wrote this role for Harry,

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<v Speaker 1>which is thank how much they liked her. She need

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<v Speaker 1>she needed room to breathe. I'm glad we got so

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<v Speaker 1>much Rabbi Jen and she was so integrated into the

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<v Speaker 1>storyline and to all the girls storylines. Yes, she was

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<v Speaker 1>like the Deos x Machina of like their relationship drama honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>which I loved um and I foresee Harry in season two.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, I think that makes her the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>girl good well, I mean I don't know about I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>she would be amazing at them as the fourth note.

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<v Speaker 1>But we should use her, use her space. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think they deserve her. I don't actually trust these women

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<v Speaker 1>with like a trans friend because hart character is trans

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<v Speaker 1>in this iteration at the at the mitzvah, which I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess let's getting to the stuff that I didn't like.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Rock York Golden Black needs to be in jail. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I think actually everyone and and just like that should

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<v Speaker 1>be in jail. The only person who shouldn't be is

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<v Speaker 1>Rabbi Jen. She can have the keys, she can lock

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<v Speaker 1>them up, but everyone everyone else belongs in prison. I

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<v Speaker 1>will say, as a Jews I was happy to see

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<v Speaker 1>like such an accurate representation of what one of these

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<v Speaker 1>over the top barmitz was looks like that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>it was so unrealistic that they would just let Rock

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<v Speaker 1>not go through with it. Although it was funny to

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<v Speaker 1>see them trying to bribe Rock, because that is very

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<v Speaker 1>fucking funny. What do you want an oculut? That definitely

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<v Speaker 1>happened to me in some way, like I was given

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of material reward for like training for my

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<v Speaker 1>bar mitzvah, but like just trying to bribe Rock just

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<v Speaker 1>to do it was like I imagine that has happened

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of people, but what a fucking little

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<v Speaker 1>piece of ship. I feel like I had a slightly

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<v Speaker 1>different takeaway from this. I was on Team Rock. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought also Rock licked Dora that I have to go.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to go. This podcast is over. Rock was

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<v Speaker 1>not a Team Rock podcast. Also, have never heard Rocky

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<v Speaker 1>or Golden Black said out loud, which is was very

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<v Speaker 1>jarring for you to say, But now that I'm hearing it,

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<v Speaker 1>like I I know this person. I know Rocky or

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<v Speaker 1>Golden Black like a some crunchy queer hipster pretending to

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<v Speaker 1>be some crunchy queer hipster, but it's actually, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>We've worked with them, We've had sex with them, we've

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<v Speaker 1>been at parties with them. Like but I I, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was an amazing plot point, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was totally on rock side about kind of coming coming

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<v Speaker 1>at a head in so many different areas of your

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<v Speaker 1>life and being like, Okay, these are all the things

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<v Speaker 1>I've called in a question about my gender, So of course,

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<v Speaker 1>like when like when I start to think about my religion,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna like question that too. And you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>kid would wait until the eleventh hour to decide that

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<v Speaker 1>they don't want to do this anymore, and I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was also I wish I had been explained more,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was a really nice way to tie together

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<v Speaker 1>what was wrong about the whole experience, which is that

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<v Speaker 1>the whole day mitzvah was really about Charlotte. It was

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<v Speaker 1>about what Charlotte wanted. Yeah, that was a mits was

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<v Speaker 1>are about I know, but that's about the parents. Like

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of what Rock was trying to say but couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>And so suck it up, suck it up and take

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<v Speaker 1>the thousands of dollars you're going to get his gifts. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And honestly, the vibe Roc was getting with a little

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<v Speaker 1>like like kind of like a coexist kind of queer

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of I did like Rock Suit. I like

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<v Speaker 1>Ross Suit. The pink suit was great. I mean otherwise, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we have to talk about jay I. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Chad is announcing their pilot via song at a huge

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<v Speaker 1>party when like, I mean, yeah, getting a pilot is exciting,

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<v Speaker 1>but also like that pilot is probably not getting picked up,

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<v Speaker 1>and if it is, it's getting canceled after one season,

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<v Speaker 1>So like have the party later, you know, Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>too early to celebrate. Although I love giving Sarah Ramirez

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to sing they are a Broadway icon, as

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<v Speaker 1>we have talked about. I thought like that the whole Miranda,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go with you to l A thing was

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<v Speaker 1>like really unhinged. I loved and going back to Harry,

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<v Speaker 1>like the scene in the bathroom where they kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like come at ahead of like are you going to Paris?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you going to l A? Are you going to

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<v Speaker 1>do both or neither? Whatever? Like that was so real,

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought Miranda saying I'm allowed to change, like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm allowed to completely up end everything you know about

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<v Speaker 1>me as a character because I'm having a crisis, like

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<v Speaker 1>I am calling into question everything that I've believed before

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<v Speaker 1>this moment. I thought that that earned a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>what we saw this season that was like so frustrating

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<v Speaker 1>about you know, Miranda becoming this kind of hard to

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<v Speaker 1>watch character. I don't know. There was just no resolution

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<v Speaker 1>for it, though, because the resolution like saying I'm allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to change, isn't the resolution of a story, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>this does end up being the only season, Like that's

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<v Speaker 1>where we leave Miranda. Yeah, I just need you to

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<v Speaker 1>know that I don't I don't care who I'm dating

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care if I'm dating like this Disney like

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<v Speaker 1>prince of a human being. Like I would never ever

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<v Speaker 1>pass up on a trip to Paris with you to

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<v Speaker 1>dispel your husban. Thank you. That's really sweet of you.

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<v Speaker 1>I would also never pay for you to come to

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<v Speaker 1>Paris with me. I did love that. Once Miranda canceled,

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<v Speaker 1>Carrie was like, Charlotte, I'm not going to Paris to people,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way. It was extremely accurate though it's and true.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and Charlotte knows her place. She's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like word like I understand. Yeah, with the Shadeas of

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<v Speaker 1>it all, you know. I was reading this Vulture article

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<v Speaker 1>where they interviewed all of the writers from and just

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<v Speaker 1>like that, and one of them was saying, like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we knew people were going to hate Shadeas, like that

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<v Speaker 1>was the point. They were supposed to be this like caricature.

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<v Speaker 1>And that just made me so angry because you can't

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<v Speaker 1>say that after the fact, to like retcon your bad

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<v Speaker 1>choices like that has to all be on the page

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<v Speaker 1>when you write the script and on the screen when

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<v Speaker 1>you shoot it. You can't say after you've seen all

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<v Speaker 1>the tweets, like ha ha, we knew, we knew everyone

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be Team Steve, like this was all intentional,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's not clear from the show. All you have

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<v Speaker 1>is the text and it doesn't It didn't work, And

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<v Speaker 1>I call bullshit on that. I call bullshit as well,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when there are no Latin or non binary writers

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<v Speaker 1>in this room. It just makes them look bad, like

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<v Speaker 1>they're punching down, you know what I mean. If like

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<v Speaker 1>there were a bunch of men like writing a role

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<v Speaker 1>for a woman as to like, you know, why she's

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<v Speaker 1>like a funk up or whatever, like why she's like

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<v Speaker 1>a villain, Like you would feel kind of a type

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<v Speaker 1>of way about that, you know what I mean. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a difference between creating a character that is so villainous

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<v Speaker 1>that you love to hate them. She is someone we

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<v Speaker 1>hate to hate. Like it's not fun to watch. There's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing about what brings this character together that is satiating.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's a testament to the intentions of

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<v Speaker 1>their writing and what we see actually on screen versus

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<v Speaker 1>like what we're reacting to. It's just it's just not

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<v Speaker 1>sticking the landing to me. Also, sorry, she would never

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<v Speaker 1>be monogamous, So there's I don't understand nor should nor

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<v Speaker 1>should they have to be, you know, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>it's like such a missed opportunity for there to be

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<v Speaker 1>queer queer like actually like nonminary writers in this room

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about like the nuances of what sex and

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<v Speaker 1>the City characters could learn about queer relationships, which has

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<v Speaker 1>so much to teach them. But honestly, this is rounding

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<v Speaker 1>to like what I feel as like my resounding point

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<v Speaker 1>about the finale, which is that where we are ending

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of season one is actually where we

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<v Speaker 1>we should have started, you know what I mean? I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like season would have been just like that is

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<v Speaker 1>so much like grief and like all these kind of

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<v Speaker 1>character rearranges and so much like upheaval that was like

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<v Speaker 1>not really earned, but like I would much rather start

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<v Speaker 1>the season with biggest Dad. Miranda is divorced and dating

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<v Speaker 1>someone non binary, you know, shar has a non binary kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Samantha is about to re enter the franchise question mark,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that is a starting point and I did not

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<v Speaker 1>need to watch like the season worth of what was

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<v Speaker 1>the Reject? Did Nicholas Sparks novel of like Carrie's grief

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<v Speaker 1>plot line? You know what? I mean, like it really

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<v Speaker 1>was not like the T and I didn't I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>need it to forget. Yes, I didn't need to watch

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<v Speaker 1>your like tragic kiss on a stoop with that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I did like the kiss with the hot producer. That

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<v Speaker 1>was good. We needed a start rebounds. Yeah, but like no,

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<v Speaker 1>I I do think it makes sense that it ends

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<v Speaker 1>in a more hopeful way than it started. Honestly, when

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<v Speaker 1>they were talking about Miranda, Miranda and her internship, Miranda

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<v Speaker 1>rejecting an are you kidding me? There isn't a world

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<v Speaker 1>where in any fifty plus year old woman is vying

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<v Speaker 1>for an internship or has any sort of stakes in

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<v Speaker 1>an unpaid internship. Well, also, like it was just too

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<v Speaker 1>late to introduce that as an obstacle, Like they should

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<v Speaker 1>have seeded that earlier in the season, like show us

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<v Speaker 1>her trying to get the internships, so we understand what

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<v Speaker 1>she's giving, and it should be like the state was

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<v Speaker 1>so unclear she I mean it could be an apprenticeship.

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<v Speaker 1>It should she should be at the directorial level, Like

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<v Speaker 1>there's she's studied, she has all this experience in another field.

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<v Speaker 1>She would have come back and been at a much

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<v Speaker 1>higher level. It just doesn't make sense. Um. But all

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<v Speaker 1>that to say, even though the finale was not really

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<v Speaker 1>that great at tying all of the ends that we

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<v Speaker 1>were interested in, I did enjoy my way through it,

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<v Speaker 1>um with with the exception of like the Talking Lamp

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<v Speaker 1>and like the ashes of it all. Yeah, well I

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<v Speaker 1>don't this is not you know, ooky spooky our. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not what I came here for. And like also her

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<v Speaker 1>saying that bigs in Heaven, I hate to break it

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<v Speaker 1>to you, but biggest burning in hell in hell in hell,

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<v Speaker 1>I am going to miss the show. I'm gonna miss. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna miss. I don't know what I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>do on Thursdays anymore. Okay, Well, what have you been

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<v Speaker 1>watching this week? M oh, I've been listening to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the new music that's been coming out. I

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<v Speaker 1>shockingly love the new Mitsky album, and I am on record,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly on this podcast, as not really being into Mitsky. Surprising. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is surprising because she does seem like someone who

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<v Speaker 1>would be exactly my Josh, but Be the Cowboy really

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<v Speaker 1>didn't do it for me and I even after listening

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<v Speaker 1>to her new album, I went back and listened to

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<v Speaker 1>Be the Cowboy to be like, oh was I like

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<v Speaker 1>not giving it a fair shot, and no I still

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<v Speaker 1>don't like it. Um. I think it's this something specific

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<v Speaker 1>about this album, like it's very cynthy um, which I

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<v Speaker 1>really liked. Um, and you know, it's like so good

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<v Speaker 1>that I will even forgive it for only being like

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<v Speaker 1>thirty minutes long, which girls make your albums longer. We

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<v Speaker 1>are not. I'm not here for EPs. No, no, no cowards,

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<v Speaker 1>come on. I also I'm I'm I like Mitsky, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a Mitsky head. This album also appealed to

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<v Speaker 1>me because if it's it's dance, I guess um vibes

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<v Speaker 1>I Love should have been me. That's maybe my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>song on the album. I think that should have been

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<v Speaker 1>the way it kind of like good. I Also one

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<v Speaker 1>of my friends, Jaslin, did the choreography for this Stay

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<v Speaker 1>is Soft music video I think, which is also a

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<v Speaker 1>really good song. Um. But yeah, I mean welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the Mitsky clan. I'm I'm glad to have you Rose.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the girls on this side of town are

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<v Speaker 1>are here to welcome you. Yeah. I loved like the

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<v Speaker 1>only heartbreaker is so good love me more. There's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>more of um, like a st vincent kind of vibe

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<v Speaker 1>on this album, which really appeals to me. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just so happy that we have, you know, these women

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<v Speaker 1>who are still making rock and roll um that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because that is very much like a musical sweet spot

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<v Speaker 1>for me. Also, this weekend, I was listening to on

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<v Speaker 1>repeat um the machine Gun Kelly and Willow Songmo Girls.

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<v Speaker 1>I winced and then smiled because I was like, machine

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<v Speaker 1>Gun Kelly, No Willow, Yeah, Okay, yeah, it's a It's

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<v Speaker 1>the song called Emo Girl, and it's about being in

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<v Speaker 1>love with an emo girl, and it's like it's so

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<v Speaker 1>catchy and like addictive Willow. The Willow clubs are sick

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<v Speaker 1>the club with Avril when av was so good, perfect

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<v Speaker 1>use of Avril. I just it's it was so well done. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>moving on to Drag Race. The only thing I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say is that this is the funniest mini challenge

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<v Speaker 1>in the history of Drag Race, point blank period. I

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<v Speaker 1>was it was very funny when Sa McLaughlin showed up,

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<v Speaker 1>I gag. I think the challenges have been really good

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<v Speaker 1>this season, like this and like last week where they

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<v Speaker 1>had to make the teaser, like that's very inventive and

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<v Speaker 1>I really like it. Um. My big takeaway from this

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<v Speaker 1>episode was Georgia's fucking eight that lip sing. Honestly, like

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<v Speaker 1>she should have um, I don't know, like one twice

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<v Speaker 1>because of it. They should she should have like retroactively

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<v Speaker 1>won the challenge because of how good that lip sync performance.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of think Georgia should have been in the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom last episode two and maybe the episode before that,

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<v Speaker 1>because I would have loved to watch her lip sync

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<v Speaker 1>for her life every time, Like she I think is

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<v Speaker 1>an assassin. Like I don't think we even saw her

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<v Speaker 1>in that episode. No, I don't think so either. I

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<v Speaker 1>do wonder if she'll because I think I think about

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<v Speaker 1>like the narrative slots that that different contestants fill in

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<v Speaker 1>their season. I wonder if she will be one of

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who does poorly early on and then realizes

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<v Speaker 1>they have to step their pussy up and ends up

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<v Speaker 1>making it, you know, all the way to the end,

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<v Speaker 1>or vain, or or if she's just like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>going to have a couple of fierce lip sings and

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<v Speaker 1>then eventually they're like, okay, but you still suck in

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<v Speaker 1>the challenges, so you're going home. Yeah, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a Cheachy or a Trinity Cabon, a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of redemption. Maybe I would love to see that,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest, even if she's not technically as good

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<v Speaker 1>as some of the other girls. Are you watching UK

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<v Speaker 1>versus the World? I am, we are, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't watched it, but I'm I'm interested. Can I please

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<v Speaker 1>please please please, ma'am yeuse I I give you to

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<v Speaker 1>watch Drag Race Canada season one because like, I'm not watching.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not watching. I'm not watching a seasonal drag Race

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<v Speaker 1>without RuPaul. No. That's another thing I'll say about this

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<v Speaker 1>current season of Drag Race that Mr Paul is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of serving like he's he's been really on his game. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and I have to say, like, that's why I won't watch,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like many of these international seasons, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>not drag Race without RuPaul for me. I mean, I okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with the sentiment of what you're saying, especially

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<v Speaker 1>even though as I say that I can feel the

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<v Speaker 1>estrogen beings out of my body. Um. I think, um,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly with the game we watched, like I love that

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<v Speaker 1>they're straight up hazing Maddie morphosis, Like yeah, yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>are like every like like when when it was Maddie's turn,

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I love, rude,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what Yeah, it was that very much was the

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<v Speaker 1>energy like you're gay but rose all of the virgin

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<v Speaker 1>I wish Maddie. I wish Maddy MorphOS is like said no,

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<v Speaker 1>homo before she started doing it, like I want her

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<v Speaker 1>to be in on the joke a little more if

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<v Speaker 1>we have to have her. Yeah, I agree, it's whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>But on that note, you would not be saying what

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying about rue if you saw her runway for

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<v Speaker 1>UK Versus the World, which I know you did because

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<v Speaker 1>you saw my Instagram story. But girl, she cleaned up

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<v Speaker 1>at Sheen. She got her this ugly ass velvet like

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<v Speaker 1>pink string. Who she dress so something you would wear

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<v Speaker 1>a till party. Yeah, looked like a full mall rat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, giving me my brats doll aesthetic. Yeah yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>a tell far bag in a poorly done smoky eye. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you're getting there. No, no, no, everyone sending

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<v Speaker 1>me please send in makeup tips for France. I will

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<v Speaker 1>I will receive makeup tips if you receive campaigns to

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<v Speaker 1>please watch Canada Season one because coming back to UK

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<v Speaker 1>Versus the World. Jimbo and his involvement in that season

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<v Speaker 1>is like essential knowledge for watching UK versus the World.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to see what Jimbo does with his art

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<v Speaker 1>in order to see someone send me in a YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>super cut with the highlights. I'll watch them. Fine, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not watching the whole season. Okay, fine, fine, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to watch it. But my point is for

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<v Speaker 1>those that aren't watching UK's Versus the World, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why it's called that. It's not formatted as a

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<v Speaker 1>UK versus the rest of the people on this show.

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<v Speaker 1>It is literally just International All Stars. It's All Stars rules.

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<v Speaker 1>So the winner's lip sync and they eliminate someone from

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom two. So, I mean, I love those rules.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm it makes it so much more fun to watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>What's really fascinating is they did not enter the workroom.

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<v Speaker 1>They entered the runway, and it was kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>little like Meet the Queen's kind of moment, or re

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<v Speaker 1>Meet the Queen's kind of moment, as opposed to, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know this, like we're chroom drama that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>happens at the beginning. But I mean, some of my

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<v Speaker 1>main takeaways from the show are that there's just like

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<v Speaker 1>nothing left behind Jujubes eyes, like she's just dead girl

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<v Speaker 1>dead inside. I I she is one of my all

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<v Speaker 1>time favorites, and it's it's really hard. She's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best, She's one of the best, and it's so

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<v Speaker 1>hard to watch her do this because her soul just

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<v Speaker 1>isn't in it anymore at all. Like even big Juju

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<v Speaker 1>fans like me can admit that, like this was such

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<v Speaker 1>a below average like performance in the beginning of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>like you'll see it's just like so like not Juju,

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<v Speaker 1>And honestly, you just like see the light leaver eyes

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<v Speaker 1>as RuPaul cackles in the bathroom and as RuPaul cackles

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<v Speaker 1>in the background, Um, I just wanted to say, RuPaul's

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<v Speaker 1>in the bathroom making sure that there's no treadswomen in there.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like here he called me, get your ass out

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<v Speaker 1>of Um. What Jimbo does on UK Versus the World

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<v Speaker 1>is high art and it honestly helped made me appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>what few like performance artists we have on this show.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I think willow Hill is kind of performance. I

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<v Speaker 1>think even like Sasha Willowers heartbreaking on this episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Drag Race. She was so good and then when she

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about her body breaking down, it was so sad.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the moment I want her to win me too,

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<v Speaker 1>because Cornbread getting eliminated. We need to talk about cornbread.

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<v Speaker 1>I was goop gooped. It was a good episode. It

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<v Speaker 1>was an exquisite episode of television in in large part

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<v Speaker 1>because of these twists and turns. These girls are selling

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<v Speaker 1>their souls and holes away to Satan slash rubaal that

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<v Speaker 1>that they are, that they are, and the same as

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<v Speaker 1>the case for International All Stars, which is what I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be calling UK versus the world. The most important takeaway

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<v Speaker 1>is that Pangina for the win. Mama Pangina is hot hot, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But I guess like there's also like a weird aspect

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<v Speaker 1>of it, like you are the best of the best

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<v Speaker 1>in your country, like so good that we had you

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<v Speaker 1>host our show. But but even being that means you

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<v Speaker 1>are not on the level of the host in this

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<v Speaker 1>country's version of drag. But there is precedent for it

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<v Speaker 1>now because you know, when they put baby Zahara Bane

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<v Speaker 1>into the show, they were like, what the fuss she

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<v Speaker 1>already won? You know what I mean? Like or I

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<v Speaker 1>think they've done a version of this before, like where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a winner and a host. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess like didn't Brooklyn Heights came back as one of

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<v Speaker 1>the lip sync assassins. She was the host of Canada's

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<v Speaker 1>Drag Race, but she was originally a contestant, So I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. It's just it's just interesting. It's a little

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a little colonialist, which considering it's UK versus

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<v Speaker 1>the world, like yikes, yikes. So so what you're saying

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<v Speaker 1>is that this show, this show is about imperialism. It

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<v Speaker 1>is imperials, yes, the imperialism of drag So fifty Shades

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<v Speaker 1>of Gray. This is a very true example of the

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<v Speaker 1>premise of this podcast because I had to literally force

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<v Speaker 1>Frand to watch this with me. Actually kick um, I will.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to set the intention and like I want

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<v Speaker 1>the virgins to understand the context of fifty Shades of Gray.

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<v Speaker 1>I un ironically and very earnestly and passionately and spiritually

0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:40.359
<v Speaker 1>love this movie. I think I love this series of films.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe you have said on this podcast that is

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<v Speaker 1>they're the best. They're the best films ever made, all

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<v Speaker 1>three of them, not just the first, As that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>I have never read the books. Uh. The only time

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<v Speaker 1>I did ever read a section of the Fifty Shades

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<v Speaker 1>of Gray novel was um over someone's shoulder on a

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<v Speaker 1>plane once because they were squirming in their seat next

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<v Speaker 1>to me while reading something and I wanted to see

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<v Speaker 1>what it was, and it was Fifty Shades of Gray.

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<v Speaker 1>The only time I've ever heard a passage of this

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:14.800
<v Speaker 1>book was when it was read by Gilbert Godfried for

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<v Speaker 1>something I can't remember who, Gilbert Godfrey. It was the

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<v Speaker 1>fun Is he alive? Did he diet? But it was,

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<v Speaker 1>I will say, extremely funny. It was very well done. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But in a way I have read Fifty Shades of

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<v Speaker 1>Gray because I've read Twilight, right of course, so give

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<v Speaker 1>us the context here, Where where does the franchise come from? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty Shades of Gray. If you've never read the books

0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:42.560
<v Speaker 1>were seen the movies is three stories about Anastasia Steel,

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<v Speaker 1>the most unrealistic name of a character ever in history,

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:52.480
<v Speaker 1>who is a sort of mousy college student who meets

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<v Speaker 1>a kinky billionaire and and gets involved in a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of reluctant b D s M relationship with him, and

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<v Speaker 1>the series is about her wanting him to stop being

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<v Speaker 1>kinky and be in like a normal relationship with her,

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.320
<v Speaker 1>and him wanting to like hit her and take out

0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:13.879
<v Speaker 1>his mommy issues on her. That is the basic premise

0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:16.080
<v Speaker 1>of all three movies. I I want to get into it,

0:25:16.119 --> 0:25:18.080
<v Speaker 1>but I just have to tell you where I'm coming

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:21.040
<v Speaker 1>from Rose, which is obviously I haven't read the books,

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:24.440
<v Speaker 1>but I was working at Random House in the wake

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:28.720
<v Speaker 1>of fifty Shades Mania. I worked as a studio assistant,

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:31.960
<v Speaker 1>and I have some real beef with this book franchise

0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 1>because the year I started to work there was the

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<v Speaker 1>year immediately after every employee at Random House got a

0:25:40.160 --> 0:25:43.879
<v Speaker 1>five thousand dollar Christmas bonus. Every single employee, a company

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:46.359
<v Speaker 1>of thousands of people, every employee got a five thousand

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 1>dollar bonus because of fifty Shades money. Isn't that crazy?

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Like the CEO was like, we made so much money

0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:56.800
<v Speaker 1>that every employee gets you get a call? Are you

0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:58.640
<v Speaker 1>get a car? I was just anyways, I was furious,

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:01.159
<v Speaker 1>which is very interesting to think about because we have

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<v Speaker 1>to set fifty Shades of Gray in context, because fifty

0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Shades of Gray is fan fiction. We talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>briefly in our Twilight episode with Peyton Dicks, which you

0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 1>should definitely go listen to if you haven't. Um. Fifty

0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Shades of Gray was originally published as a Twilight fan

0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:25.479
<v Speaker 1>fiction called Master of the Universe. It was written, it

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:29.960
<v Speaker 1>was written. It was written under the pen name wait

0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:37.080
<v Speaker 1>for it, Snow Queen's Ice Dragon. Snow Queen's Ice Dragon.

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:40.159
<v Speaker 1>I hate that, but also, yeah, that is kind of

0:26:40.160 --> 0:26:43.120
<v Speaker 1>a serve of a fan fiction screen name. So this

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 1>was written as a Twilight fan fiction in which Edward

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:51.720
<v Speaker 1>was just this kinky billionaire. Bella was like basically just Bella.

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:56.920
<v Speaker 1>One of the biggest complaints with Twilight is how puritanical

0:26:57.000 --> 0:26:59.760
<v Speaker 1>it is. And you know, the main tension of the

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:03.240
<v Speaker 1>CEA is that, as we talked about with Peyton, Bella

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 1>wants to fuck Edward, and Edward won't fuck Bella because

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:12.119
<v Speaker 1>he's a vampire and his superpowered dick would like cave

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 1>in her skull if she gave him head. It is

0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:19.480
<v Speaker 1>the sole engine of the screenplay pretty much, and so

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 1>like fifty Shades takes that and flips it's on its head,

0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:26.359
<v Speaker 1>which is that, you know, Christian Gray or Edward Cullen

0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:31.400
<v Speaker 1>in the fan fiction is very willing to fuck Anastasia

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:35.679
<v Speaker 1>or Bella, but won't give her the emotional intimacy she

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:38.720
<v Speaker 1>wants because he has this, you know, like tortured past.

0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 1>And there are a lot of kind of characteristic mirrorings

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:46.440
<v Speaker 1>between the two which we'll get into. It's the they're

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 1>exactly the same, like all of the characters are are

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 1>like the character the basic like tenants of their personalities

0:27:54.119 --> 0:27:58.840
<v Speaker 1>are completely unchanged. Right, Except the tension of Fifty Shades

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:02.399
<v Speaker 1>is that Christian Gray is kind of inducting her into

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 1>bedous m I was going to say culture, but it's

0:28:05.800 --> 0:28:08.200
<v Speaker 1>not really bad and culture, which we'll talk about, and

0:28:08.320 --> 0:28:11.080
<v Speaker 1>in Twilight, it's more like Edward kind of being like,

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 1>these are my vamp this is my vampire culture. You're

0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:15.679
<v Speaker 1>not allowed to be in it. It's a little it's

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.080
<v Speaker 1>a slightly different kind of tension. Yeah, So I want

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 1>to kind of walk us through the history of of

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:25.199
<v Speaker 1>the publication of Master of the Universe and how it

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:28.239
<v Speaker 1>became the book and movie franchise we know today. Let

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:31.800
<v Speaker 1>me just buckle in. So when Snow Queen's Ice Dragon,

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 1>we have to see the full name every So when E. L. James,

0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 1>the artists formerly known as Snow Queen's Ice Dragon again

0:28:39.560 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 1>publishing Master of the Universe. UM, she did something that

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<v Speaker 1>like it doesn't really happen a lot in fan fiction,

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:52.080
<v Speaker 1>or at least like as someone who has read fan

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>of fiction like my entire adult and adolescent life and

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 1>still does. UM. She wrote that when she was published

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:03.239
<v Speaker 1>in this story, it was like in real time and

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 1>she had a real like relationship with her audience and

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>in her author's notes when she was publishing the story,

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:12.959
<v Speaker 1>like each new chapter she would ask people for like

0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>suggestions on on plot points that they wanted to see,

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:20.080
<v Speaker 1>and like she would get you know, feedback from them

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:22.320
<v Speaker 1>on where they wanted the story to go. So this

0:29:22.480 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>really was a like community exercise, which is why I

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 1>think there is a lingering sour taste for people who

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 1>were in the Twilight community, which I UM. I was

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 1>listening to a podcast that's come out recently. It's called

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:43.440
<v Speaker 1>The Big Hit Show, and it's about um, you know,

0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 1>like huge cultural moments. I'm like, how they become that

0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 1>big very brave of you to listen to. What is

0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 1>your first podcast ever? I thought of you, I'm going

0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 1>to ignore that the first season is all about Twilight. UM.

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 1>And they did do an episode, like specifically about fan fiction.

0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 1>And there were a lot of people who were in

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 1>the Twilight Phantom at the time that this is being

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:07.040
<v Speaker 1>published who have a lot of like sore feelings about

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:11.360
<v Speaker 1>it because what E. L. James did is this trope

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:15.680
<v Speaker 1>within fan fiction um that's referred to as filing off

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 1>the serial numbers. And it's basically like, when you write

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 1>a fan fiction it becomes really successful, you think, oh,

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:26.640
<v Speaker 1>this has potential to actually be a book that I

0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 1>can capitalize on, because the thing about fan fiction is

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>that it's free. You can't make money off of it. Um.

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a it's an in doubt, it's like

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 1>something that people do, like purely for the enjoyment of writing,

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 1>of like you know, being in fandom, of like loving

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:44.960
<v Speaker 1>a piece of art that so much that you want

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.760
<v Speaker 1>to continue playing in the world. And so when someone

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:51.920
<v Speaker 1>sees like commercial viability for their fan fiction, they pull

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:55.240
<v Speaker 1>to publish and then do this thing called filing off

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 1>the serial numbers, which is like, you know what el

0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>James did. She pulled her story from wherever what lived Online,

0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 1>did like a searching and replace with all of the names,

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 1>and you know, published it as fifty Shades of Gray

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>what And it was originally actually self published of course,

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 1>like on like what on Amazon or something like that.

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:20.200
<v Speaker 1>It was published as an e book and a print

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>on demand paperback, and then it became so successful because

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 1>of like a viral marketing campaign that it was eventually

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>published by Vintage Books and became the best seller we

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>know today, right, And so I mean you and I

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:39.160
<v Speaker 1>watched the movie together before we get into that. I

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 1>think you know, there was, as we all remember, a

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:46.840
<v Speaker 1>complete inability to avoid the conversation of hippie shades. Right.

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.240
<v Speaker 1>It was such a it was such a joke, like

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:52.080
<v Speaker 1>it was very very much fodder for late night you

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 1>know um hosts to put to poke fun it. And

0:31:55.880 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 1>I think, like it's it's very similar to this same

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 1>criticism that surrounded Twilight when Twilight first came out, which

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:11.440
<v Speaker 1>was people making fun of young women for wanting to

0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 1>read a romantic saga, especially something that was horny. But yeah,

0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 1>but like Twilight wasn't as obviously horny, of course, And

0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 1>I think it's it's different. It's different versions of hating

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:30.280
<v Speaker 1>women for the things that they're interested in. Twilight was

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 1>hating young women for wanting to participate in romantic fantasy,

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:39.920
<v Speaker 1>and fifty Shades of Gray was hating women for wanting

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:43.840
<v Speaker 1>to read something like that made them horny. Period. That

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:46.720
<v Speaker 1>is such a good distinction because I remember like the

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:48.400
<v Speaker 1>S and L jokes about like, you know, women in

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 1>their forties and fifties like reading and like you know,

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 1>masturbating on a corner of a washing machine or whatever.

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean. But like the you know,

0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 1>the person the people having the last laugh with this

0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>are Stephanie Meyern L James because these things that you know,

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 1>culturally people wanted to make fun of, which are women,

0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 1>and their interests are extremely profitable, you know. Like when

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Twilight was released, they thought it was going to be

0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:16.560
<v Speaker 1>a flop, and it's one of the Yeah, it's one

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 1>of the biggest movie franchises ever. It made like seventy

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 1>million dollars it's opening weekend. I'm shocked that they thought

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 1>it was going to be a flop. But what's interesting also,

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:28.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, well, not to poke fun in the exact

0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>same way we're trying to like criticize, but I will

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 1>say I do remember very viscerally the images circulating online

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 1>by the time the movie franchise came out of ushers

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>in movie theaters finding many times soiled cucumbers. Um, do

0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 1>you remember that? No, it's not real or is that

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 1>just like a Twitter thing? Basically, there are a series

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 1>of images online of ushers and theaters being like I

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 1>found a like a literal like soiled. I don't I

0:33:57.640 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>don't believe that. I think people were faking. You get

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:03.320
<v Speaker 1>the image. It looks pretty compelling. I don't know, but

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm not. But my point is not till I mean,

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 1>I think the hoax, that's just giving hoax. That's just

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:10.560
<v Speaker 1>like funny, it's fun to make fun of. But it

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 1>is exactly in line with what you're saying. Is that

0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:16.840
<v Speaker 1>the overall kind of like punchline of at least fifty shades.

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:19.560
<v Speaker 1>But I guess in tandem with Twilight is kind of

0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 1>like women wanting things. You know, Yeah, but when there's

0:34:23.080 --> 0:34:26.319
<v Speaker 1>no one is an easier target than women and the

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 1>things that they're interested in. Well, please don't masturbate in

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:32.400
<v Speaker 1>movie theaters. Yes, even though like women and our interests,

0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 1>we drive pop culture every time, there's a reason why,

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 1>Like most fan fiction is written by women, and like

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:40.799
<v Speaker 1>a lot of it is by queer women. I mean,

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:43.279
<v Speaker 1>anyone who listens to this podcast knows that I love

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 1>fan fiction. I am a scholar of fan fiction. But

0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 1>I never I never read Fifty Shades of Gray when

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 1>they were books. I was really never interested, even though

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.399
<v Speaker 1>I knew the backstory. And I think by that point

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 1>I had kind of moved on from my Twilight interest

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:59.800
<v Speaker 1>because I was very interested, or I was. I was

0:34:59.840 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 1>like interested in the books when they came out, and

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 1>I was bored one summer and read them all and

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:05.799
<v Speaker 1>it happened to be the summer before the movies came out,

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.439
<v Speaker 1>so I like got on the train of being really

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 1>into them. But then by the time the last Twilight

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 1>movies came out, I was like my interest had waned

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 1>the Fifty Shades of Gray came out, I like saw

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 1>the book phenomenon kind of from a distance, like didn't

0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 1>really participate in it. And then the movies came out,

0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:26.560
<v Speaker 1>and did you see them? I did. I A friend

0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:29.560
<v Speaker 1>of mine had gone to Connecticut to do a writing

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 1>retreat and like some house that his like family owned,

0:35:34.160 --> 0:35:36.040
<v Speaker 1>and I went out there for a couple of days

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 1>and it was in this very podunc town and there

0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 1>was nothing for us to do. So we decided to

0:35:41.280 --> 0:35:43.279
<v Speaker 1>go see Fifty Shades of Gray one night because it

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:45.720
<v Speaker 1>was the only thing playing at the movie theater and

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 1>I was obsessed. You were radicalized. I was radicalized as

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:52.959
<v Speaker 1>a fifty Shades of Gray stand and I have never

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:56.399
<v Speaker 1>looked back. And um, you know, like my my good

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 1>friend Ryan and I like we saw that the second

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:03.880
<v Speaker 1>TOO movie together and like both ironically and un ironically

0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:09.640
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed them. Uh, you and I watched the first movie together. Um,

0:36:09.680 --> 0:36:12.520
<v Speaker 1>so I'll reserve my thoughts for now, but what was

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 1>your reaction when you saw it for the first time?

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 1>You said you were radicalized? But like what we're kind

0:36:17.200 --> 0:36:19.239
<v Speaker 1>of the do you remember anything that you latched onto,

0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:21.840
<v Speaker 1>whether it was like an image or something about Dakota

0:36:22.160 --> 0:36:24.359
<v Speaker 1>or something about how it's framed. I think it was.

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:27.480
<v Speaker 1>It does a lot of the things that I think

0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Twilight did really well in adapting the books, which is

0:36:30.239 --> 0:36:34.280
<v Speaker 1>makes them cooler than the source material. So like Twilight

0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:36.600
<v Speaker 1>did that really well with the soundtrack, and fift Shades

0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:40.279
<v Speaker 1>of Great has great soundtrack. It's like the soundtrack is

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:43.400
<v Speaker 1>so good. Fance slow mix. Well, that was such a

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:45.400
<v Speaker 1>moment when the trailer came out and it was the

0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:50.720
<v Speaker 1>updated version of Crazy and Loves It's sublime is such

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 1>a god It's and It's film did not deserve the

0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:56.520
<v Speaker 1>effect within the movie. No, it's not. Well, we'll talk

0:36:56.560 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 1>about it anyways. I I honestly cannot pinpoint what I

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:06.399
<v Speaker 1>love about the movies so much. I really like them.

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I I can acknowledge that, like the story

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:13.080
<v Speaker 1>has a lot of flaws the same way that Twilight does.

0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:16.319
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I like about it is like it's

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 1>melodrama treated very seriously, but also like fifty shades of

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 1>great kind of like the Twilight movies, like does let

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:29.000
<v Speaker 1>itself like not take itself too seriously and does kind

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:32.400
<v Speaker 1>of like wink a little bit at like how ridiculous

0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 1>what's happening is? Does it wink? Think? Do you think

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 1>the film is aware of itself? I feel I do?

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 1>You know what's funny is when I was watching, I

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 1>feel like Dakota is aware of what's going on. I

0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:47.880
<v Speaker 1>think Dakoda. But I think, is that is that colored

0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:51.919
<v Speaker 1>by like you knowing the Dakota Johnson of Tonight? That's

0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:54.799
<v Speaker 1>a really fair that's a really fair point, perhaps, And

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 1>I honestly think whoever is listening at home might have

0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 1>an answer to that too. I think based on her performance,

0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:05.520
<v Speaker 1>I thought Dakota gave something that was a little more

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 1>cartoony than what Jamie Dornan and the rest of the

0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 1>cast was doing. Like, I think that Dakota fed into

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:16.480
<v Speaker 1>some physical comedy that to me, even though it wasn't

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 1>She obviously didn't make the movie camp or anything, you know,

0:38:19.200 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 1>but she did play an earnest character she was acting. Yeah,

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean she's she feels pretty grounded in reality to me,

0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 1>because there's a lot of really insane shit happening around her,

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 1>and she does kind of acknowledge that. Like when Christian

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:40.200
<v Speaker 1>is trying to you know, bully her into becoming his submissive,

0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 1>she says to him many times like this is crazy.

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>She's what you're asking of me is insane. Yeah, she

0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:50.279
<v Speaker 1>sometimes challenges him or sometimes he will say things that

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:53.000
<v Speaker 1>you think would be very shocking and she is like, um,

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 1>very pointedly unfazed by it. Yes, but as in Twilight

0:38:57.160 --> 0:38:59.759
<v Speaker 1>with with Bella and Edwards, like she's just so in

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 1>love with him that she stays in this like you know,

0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:19.440
<v Speaker 1>controlling relationship. When we watched the movie together, I remember

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:22.319
<v Speaker 1>you saying at some point along our conversations about the

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:27.440
<v Speaker 1>film that, um, you feel like Anna, Anna Anna, that

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Anna has more agency than Bella. If we were to

0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of compare and contrast these two entities a little bit,

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 1>because I had no idea that Bella worked at a

0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 1>hardware store. Um, but Anna also works at a hardware store.

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:43.080
<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of um parallels, you know, between

0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:47.240
<v Speaker 1>these two films, but the actual like female lead, I guess,

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:49.239
<v Speaker 1>the the woman in the in the center of the

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:54.040
<v Speaker 1>films are very different. Yeah, well Bella. You know, outside

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:57.359
<v Speaker 1>of a few moments, Bella really goes along with what

0:39:57.520 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Edward wants her to do. She finds out he's a vampire,

0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:02.880
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, okay, I'm going to become a vampire too.

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:04.799
<v Speaker 1>I want to be with you forever. He leaves her

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:08.320
<v Speaker 1>a new moon and she just completely shuts down until

0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:11.319
<v Speaker 1>another man enters her life and like inspires her to

0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 1>like build her confidence, which not to be a snob

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:16.120
<v Speaker 1>is like bad writing, because like the one thing you

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 1>need a character to do is to like make decisions

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:21.439
<v Speaker 1>for themselves instead of just like letting things happen to them.

0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:23.759
<v Speaker 1>But I guess also that is kind of I guess

0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:26.880
<v Speaker 1>the charm of something like Twilight, and then it's comics.

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:32.239
<v Speaker 1>She's comically disempowered. Yeah, and in fifty Shades like Yes,

0:40:32.320 --> 0:40:36.840
<v Speaker 1>Anastasia is so in love with Christian that she allows

0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:40.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot of his bad behavior, but she also at

0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 1>several moments is like I'm not doing this, um, but

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:47.759
<v Speaker 1>like she eventually is talked back into it, usually by him,

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 1>like breaking into her home, like the one scene in

0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 1>the movie where she has broken up with him and

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:55.239
<v Speaker 1>she comes home and he's like standing there with wine. Yeah,

0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:57.560
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, what the and she never remarks upon

0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:00.720
<v Speaker 1>the fact that he's broken into her home, and you know, Okay,

0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 1>So I, as I, as the virgins have probably picked

0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:07.319
<v Speaker 1>up on, didn't love the movie. I think that one

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:09.359
<v Speaker 1>of the things that I struggled with. And I don't like,

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:12.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't like yuck in people's yum. I'm

0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 1>not putting you on the stand and making you like

0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:17.120
<v Speaker 1>defend this movie or good luck that. Yeah. Yeah, But

0:41:17.400 --> 0:41:20.319
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I have a really hard time with

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:24.320
<v Speaker 1>movies that come out in this day and age where

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.359
<v Speaker 1>all the entire engine and the entire stakes are like

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:31.279
<v Speaker 1>built around like a white guy's dick, you know what

0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:34.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, Like the to me, there is there's nothing

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 1>in any of the character character's motivations outside of the

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:40.319
<v Speaker 1>fact that, like, you know, Jamie Dornan can really lay

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 1>the pipe. You know, that's kind of like what's going

0:41:42.200 --> 0:41:44.480
<v Speaker 1>on in this film, and that I as much as

0:41:44.520 --> 0:41:47.759
<v Speaker 1>I love comedies where the whole premise is like I

0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:51.400
<v Speaker 1>want to fuck, you know, thinking about something like fleabag

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 1>or like never have I ever or like something like that,

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:57.359
<v Speaker 1>I feel like there is like so much inside of there.

0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:00.400
<v Speaker 1>There's not There's not a ton explored actually in the

0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:02.759
<v Speaker 1>sex itself of the film, which is like kind of

0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 1>the beating heart of what the franchise. Well. Yeah, and

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 1>it's also like this universe that I personally can't empathize with,

0:42:12.640 --> 0:42:18.120
<v Speaker 1>in which the most important thing in life is romantic love. Yeah,

0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, these these two women, Bela Swan and Anastasia

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:27.799
<v Speaker 1>Steele put their love of these awful men before anything else,

0:42:27.960 --> 0:42:30.359
<v Speaker 1>and that is that is the only thing in their

0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:34.319
<v Speaker 1>life that that matters is the men they're in love with.

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Like if the Begdel Test had like a scoring system,

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:40.839
<v Speaker 1>these would be like failing greats. Like they are like

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:46.799
<v Speaker 1>groundbreaking lee, like uncomplicated, like like female leads. I think

0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 1>another thing that really shook me. I don't know why

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:51.640
<v Speaker 1>it shocked me, honestly, it's kind of stupid, but like

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:53.359
<v Speaker 1>I said to you when you were watching, I was like,

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:56.759
<v Speaker 1>I knew, I've always known that this was a fan

0:42:56.840 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 1>fiction of Twilight, but there really is like no frills,

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:07.960
<v Speaker 1>no decorations, like it is fun fixition, like lifted from

0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:12.000
<v Speaker 1>the blog onto this TV screen. And I think that

0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 1>that is why I was kind of sad, is that

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 1>I kind of thought maybe I was gonna like the

0:43:16.920 --> 0:43:19.080
<v Speaker 1>movie a lot because it would be one of those,

0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:21.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, so it's good kind of moments, and it

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:23.960
<v Speaker 1>obviously was that in a lot of different ways. But

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:26.640
<v Speaker 1>I think I was kind of um taken aback by

0:43:26.800 --> 0:43:29.920
<v Speaker 1>what I felt was a complete failure of the imagination

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:34.840
<v Speaker 1>to capture what is supposed to be a really tumultuous,

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 1>sexy affair, you know what I mean. And I use

0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:41.800
<v Speaker 1>the word affair like lover's affair, not like a fidelity.

0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:44.399
<v Speaker 1>So you think that they're boring, I think that it's

0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:49.240
<v Speaker 1>boring as fuck. And you said yourself that every single

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 1>sex scene in all movies are really that vanilla because

0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:55.640
<v Speaker 1>all the sex, every single for those of you that

0:43:55.680 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 1>haven't watched, every single sex scene is basically the same

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:02.719
<v Speaker 1>thing that is restrained for like three seconds, for like

0:44:02.800 --> 0:44:05.120
<v Speaker 1>three seconds, and then and then he does a little

0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:06.920
<v Speaker 1>and then he just starts sucking her, yeah, and then

0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:09.359
<v Speaker 1>they just have normal like there for the first thing

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:13.400
<v Speaker 1>they have sex is in Missionary what Well, that's because

0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:16.799
<v Speaker 1>she's that's because she's a virgin also, you know, like

0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:20.800
<v Speaker 1>just just like just like Twilight, you know, fifty Shades

0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 1>has a big preoccupation with virginity. Of course it does,

0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:26.719
<v Speaker 1>and that like kind of pure heroinism is like so

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:28.839
<v Speaker 1>ikey to me, and I think, honestly, the other thing

0:44:28.880 --> 0:44:31.000
<v Speaker 1>that really gets me, what I was talking about earlier,

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 1>is like the engine the film is like unfortunately and

0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:37.520
<v Speaker 1>you and I disagree on this. Jamie Dornan looks like

0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:41.280
<v Speaker 1>a fucking like he's in a fucking like target catalog.

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Like I think he's so nondescript. He's not, He's on

0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 1>He's completely conventionally attractive. He is a catalog model. I

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:53.160
<v Speaker 1>do not see anything distinct about him in his body

0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:55.239
<v Speaker 1>or in his face, and so I think that was

0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:57.839
<v Speaker 1>another thing It's like I was like, wait, this is

0:44:57.880 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 1>the guy. Well, you know, it was originally supposed to

0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:05.520
<v Speaker 1>be um Charlie Hoonan, who like is a little bit

0:45:05.600 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 1>more rough around the edges than Jamie Dornan, but he

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:14.239
<v Speaker 1>backed out of the last minute because he, like what,

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:17.080
<v Speaker 1>didn't want the level of fame that he knew he

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 1>was going to get from being in these movies. I

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:24.200
<v Speaker 1>honestly don't know if Jamie Dornan has that level of fame, Like, yeah,

0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:27.160
<v Speaker 1>he was he not known before this really or yeah,

0:45:27.239 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 1>he he had been like on a couple of TV

0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:32.480
<v Speaker 1>things and like since this movie, Yeah, he's in that

0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:35.680
<v Speaker 1>big like black and white Oscar movie right now, Belfast,

0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:37.839
<v Speaker 1>and like he's been in a couple of other things.

0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:41.080
<v Speaker 1>He was in Barbon Star Um, which was you know, fun.

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:45.560
<v Speaker 1>He has he he did not reach Robert Pattinson levels

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 1>of fame, and he certainly isn't as famous as as

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Dakota Johnson, right And obviously you know, well that's what

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:55.279
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, is that like Robert Pattinson is,

0:45:55.400 --> 0:45:57.160
<v Speaker 1>even though you know, not a great actor in the

0:45:57.160 --> 0:46:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Tylight movies, is like much more compelling. You disagree, you

0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:06.279
<v Speaker 1>disagree on dangerous grounds whatever. Um he is. So he's

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:10.120
<v Speaker 1>like dark and stormy and mysterious. He sells us on

0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:13.719
<v Speaker 1>this kind of supernatural dark horse trope, UM Cowboy from

0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Nowhere kind of thing that's going on. Um. But to me,

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:20.759
<v Speaker 1>it's like if I were to like recast Jamie Dornan,

0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:23.000
<v Speaker 1>because obviously Dakota is perfect in the movie. If I

0:46:23.040 --> 0:46:25.680
<v Speaker 1>were to recast Jamie, I think I would want someone

0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:31.000
<v Speaker 1>like a like Adam Driver or Alexander's Scars Art, someone

0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:33.440
<v Speaker 1>that we get into like that. It's funny that a

0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:35.959
<v Speaker 1>hot person. It's funny that you bring up Adam Driver

0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 1>because Adam Driver is the focus of another filing off

0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 1>the serial Numbers fan fiction turned successful novel. UM. So

0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:50.160
<v Speaker 1>there's this romance novel that was huge, I mean still is.

0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:52.320
<v Speaker 1>But like last year I think is when the Christendo

0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:56.759
<v Speaker 1>peaked on book talk. It's called The Love Hypothesis and

0:46:56.840 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 1>it's a Star Wars rayl fan fiction. Um. Ray Low

0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 1>is Kylo Wren and ray who are you know, the

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:08.440
<v Speaker 1>two leads of the newer Star Wars movies And there's

0:47:08.480 --> 0:47:11.719
<v Speaker 1>like a big shipping community about them and lots of

0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:15.600
<v Speaker 1>fan fiction. And this romance novel was originally written as

0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:17.840
<v Speaker 1>a fan fiction about them, and the author did the

0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:20.880
<v Speaker 1>same thing, finding off the serial numbers, changing their names,

0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:25.040
<v Speaker 1>and it's now like a hugely successful um romance novel

0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:28.360
<v Speaker 1>had no idea and I did read it, wait you

0:47:28.440 --> 0:47:32.200
<v Speaker 1>did it? Was you know, it was a nice way

0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:35.359
<v Speaker 1>to spend a day. I literally read it in like,

0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:39.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, forty eight hours. I think that that said.

0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:43.080
<v Speaker 1>What I'm trying to get at is I was, personally

0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:46.600
<v Speaker 1>before watching a movie very excited about what can be

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:50.040
<v Speaker 1>explored in a power dynamic that I don't want to

0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:52.480
<v Speaker 1>say blurs the line of consent. But in B D,

0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:55.960
<v Speaker 1>S M and kink culture, which is not at all,

0:47:56.040 --> 0:47:58.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, exemplified in this movie, there are much more

0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:02.520
<v Speaker 1>nuanced approaches to how they talk about consent, because lack

0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:05.560
<v Speaker 1>of consent can be someone's kink, you know what I mean,

0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:09.799
<v Speaker 1>like someone having a kind of being overpowered. Fantasy is

0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:13.160
<v Speaker 1>something that is imbuted and always talked about intracommunally in

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:16.160
<v Speaker 1>B D, S M and kink stuff, and so I thought,

0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:18.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, there would have been some of that explored,

0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:20.480
<v Speaker 1>which I think is maybe explored in the books, but

0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:22.760
<v Speaker 1>not at all in the movie. I don't I don't

0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 1>think it is, but it also would have been interesting,

0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:27.920
<v Speaker 1>like if it was like um, if the power dynamic

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:30.719
<v Speaker 1>was also like age related, like if it was more

0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:32.920
<v Speaker 1>of like a daddy, like a like a Willem Dafoe,

0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:37.560
<v Speaker 1>or like a it's all about capitalism, you know, it's

0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:39.480
<v Speaker 1>like he has more money than her. You know, you

0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:41.680
<v Speaker 1>did only watch the first movie, So I think it

0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:43.760
<v Speaker 1>would be fun if I if I told you about

0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 1>what happens in the rest of the topline. For me,

0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:49.360
<v Speaker 1>I've literally never heard this before. Okay, well, first, before

0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:50.759
<v Speaker 1>I say this, we do have to talk about the

0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:53.920
<v Speaker 1>fact that Rita or is in these films. She has

0:48:53.920 --> 0:48:57.360
<v Speaker 1>a She has a very brief cameo in the first film.

0:48:57.560 --> 0:49:03.000
<v Speaker 1>She she plays christians sister Mia, who is Alice from Twilight,

0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:05.440
<v Speaker 1>And we have to say when Rosa is very brief,

0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:11.120
<v Speaker 1>she means like one to two lines. She also has

0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:13.960
<v Speaker 1>a really like horrible she's wearing a really horrible wig.

0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:18.360
<v Speaker 1>And also her introduction is inconsequential to anything in the movie.

0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:20.480
<v Speaker 1>The only reason she's in that movie is to set

0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:23.880
<v Speaker 1>up the next two movies. Yes, so you know the

0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:27.719
<v Speaker 1>first film ends with with Anastasia leaving Christian after she

0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:30.719
<v Speaker 1>has asked him to show her how bad he wants

0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:33.160
<v Speaker 1>to hurt her, and he like spanks her six times

0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:36.760
<v Speaker 1>and he's like by um. So in the second movie

0:49:36.800 --> 0:49:39.319
<v Speaker 1>like she very they very quickly get back together, like

0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:44.120
<v Speaker 1>almost no time at all, um, but she's being stalked

0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 1>by one of his old submissives, um who is like

0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:51.160
<v Speaker 1>who is still obsessed with him. You also find out

0:49:51.160 --> 0:49:55.200
<v Speaker 1>in the second movie, um more about his tragic backstory.

0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:58.440
<v Speaker 1>So he well in the first movie like I think

0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 1>you will remember that he said that he is a

0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:03.960
<v Speaker 1>crack baby. Basically, oh my god, he had an abusive

0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:07.319
<v Speaker 1>mother who died when he was little. And you find

0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:09.720
<v Speaker 1>out in the second movie that all of the women

0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:13.759
<v Speaker 1>who he likes to dominate look like his mom. So

0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:16.440
<v Speaker 1>so like he just has a really bad mobby issue.

0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:20.120
<v Speaker 1>Dakota Johnson does kind of look like a young mom. Um.

0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:24.840
<v Speaker 1>You also in the second movie meet the older woman

0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:29.080
<v Speaker 1>who inducted him into b d S M what so

0:50:29.239 --> 0:50:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Kim Basinger plays Mrs Robinson who love that who you know,

0:50:33.800 --> 0:50:38.000
<v Speaker 1>like basically was a pedophile and um made Christian her

0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:40.439
<v Speaker 1>submissive when he was a teenager. And it's called Mrs

0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:44.359
<v Speaker 1>Robinson to call back to the graduate um um. So

0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:47.319
<v Speaker 1>in the second movie, Anastasia meets her and the wait

0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:50.960
<v Speaker 1>in that relationship was he the submissive whoa okay okay?

0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:53.640
<v Speaker 1>And so Anastasia meets her and like hates her. Also,

0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Christian asks Anastasia to marry him in the second movie

0:50:57.280 --> 0:51:01.040
<v Speaker 1>because it's Twilight, and I also think the second movie

0:51:01.280 --> 0:51:06.680
<v Speaker 1>is when he gets into a helicopter crash what but

0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:10.680
<v Speaker 1>but survives um also um Anastasia has started working at

0:51:10.680 --> 0:51:15.520
<v Speaker 1>a publishing house and her boss is super predatory and

0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:19.799
<v Speaker 1>wants to suck her and eventually gets fired because he

0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:21.880
<v Speaker 1>tries to assault her. Does Jamie Dornan like kill the

0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:25.840
<v Speaker 1>boss or something? No, But it continues on into the

0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:28.799
<v Speaker 1>third movie because in the third movie you find out

0:51:28.920 --> 0:51:33.839
<v Speaker 1>that the boss was so Christian was in you know,

0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:37.080
<v Speaker 1>like the was in the system, is like in foster

0:51:37.200 --> 0:51:40.880
<v Speaker 1>care and was adopted by his rich parents, the Grays,

0:51:41.680 --> 0:51:45.160
<v Speaker 1>And I guess it turns out that the boss was

0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:48.279
<v Speaker 1>like another possible kid they were going to adopt, and

0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:50.600
<v Speaker 1>like feels that he should have gotten the life that

0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Christian got and so he is like stalking Anastasia and

0:51:56.640 --> 0:52:00.440
<v Speaker 1>like trying to break into their home and then this

0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:02.840
<v Speaker 1>is why it's important to mention Rita Aura. In the

0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:06.640
<v Speaker 1>third movie, Rita or gets kidnapped by the boss does not,

0:52:06.800 --> 0:52:11.520
<v Speaker 1>and Dakota Johnson has to by the by the boss

0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:15.319
<v Speaker 1>um and then Dakota Johnson has to like navigate this

0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:19.520
<v Speaker 1>hostage crisis and that's a perfect role for Yeah, And

0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:24.359
<v Speaker 1>she like goes in, like she makes Christian think that

0:52:24.400 --> 0:52:26.560
<v Speaker 1>she's leaving him and goes in withdraws all this money

0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:29.120
<v Speaker 1>from their account so that she because they've gotten married

0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:32.960
<v Speaker 1>at this point, so she can save the sister. And

0:52:33.000 --> 0:52:35.520
<v Speaker 1>then like she's oh and she's also pregnant. She gets

0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:39.279
<v Speaker 1>pregnant in the last movie, and she like kicks her

0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:41.880
<v Speaker 1>in the stomach, I think, and she thinks she's going

0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:46.200
<v Speaker 1>to lose the baby. Also also very much like very

0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:49.200
<v Speaker 1>much like in Breaking Dawn, Christian when he finds out

0:52:49.239 --> 0:52:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Anastasia is pregnant, is really against it, um like because

0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:56.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, in in Breaking Dawn, Twilight doesn't want Bella

0:52:56.440 --> 0:52:57.759
<v Speaker 1>to have the baby because he thinks it's going to

0:52:57.880 --> 0:53:00.320
<v Speaker 1>kill her. Christian doesn't want Anna State should to have

0:53:00.400 --> 0:53:05.160
<v Speaker 1>the baby because like he wants her to himself. But

0:53:05.200 --> 0:53:08.160
<v Speaker 1>then you know, like after she gets kicked during a

0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:12.439
<v Speaker 1>hostage crisis. He's like, oh, I want the baby. Um,

0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:15.200
<v Speaker 1>your recounting of the trilogy is honestly more interesting than

0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:18.640
<v Speaker 1>my entire experience of watching the film. Okay, but so

0:53:18.719 --> 0:53:21.680
<v Speaker 1>the best part of the well, no, there's like a

0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:24.960
<v Speaker 1>lot of great I would never says um. So the

0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:29.080
<v Speaker 1>end of the final movie a childlike glee and wonder

0:53:29.120 --> 0:53:32.320
<v Speaker 1>on roses eyes. Right now. The end of the final

0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:36.839
<v Speaker 1>movie is, um, you know, like a Christian has kind

0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:39.680
<v Speaker 1>of like given up, you know, being a dom and

0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:42.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, they think they've settled into this like normal life.

0:53:42.719 --> 0:53:45.560
<v Speaker 1>And then when he comes home and um, Anastasia has

0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:48.399
<v Speaker 1>like put the jenes that he always used to fuck

0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:50.759
<v Speaker 1>her and out on the bed. What kind of genes

0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:54.920
<v Speaker 1>they're just they're just they're just jeans, They're they're kind

0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:57.480
<v Speaker 1>of like a you know, they've got like a like

0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:02.200
<v Speaker 1>like artful fading, you know, I would say their bootcut.

0:54:03.360 --> 0:54:06.000
<v Speaker 1>And and then she and then she's waiting in the

0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Red Room of Pain, which is what his playroom is called,

0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:11.839
<v Speaker 1>like canonically is called the Red Room of Pain. Hate that,

0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:15.279
<v Speaker 1>and she has now like decided she wants them to

0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:18.880
<v Speaker 1>be kinky again. And he says to her that she's

0:54:19.200 --> 0:54:23.799
<v Speaker 1>topping from the bottom, and that's how the movie, that's

0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:28.480
<v Speaker 1>how the franchise ends. No, it does. Yeah, you're kidding. Honestly,

0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:30.800
<v Speaker 1>the thing one of my biggest well, okay, something that

0:54:30.840 --> 0:54:32.560
<v Speaker 1>stuck out to me. I think it's so funny that

0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:34.600
<v Speaker 1>she starts to work at a publishing house. When we

0:54:34.600 --> 0:54:37.319
<v Speaker 1>were watching the movie. You pointed out to me that

0:54:37.600 --> 0:54:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Bella and Anna share the same three personality traits that

0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:44.760
<v Speaker 1>they have, which is they are burnett, they are awkward,

0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:50.360
<v Speaker 1>and they like to read clumsy clumsy right now different, different, different,

0:54:50.680 --> 0:54:52.880
<v Speaker 1>so they both play it. The main the main difference

0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:57.280
<v Speaker 1>is that Anastasia has bangs, right, That's that's actually huge huge.

0:54:57.320 --> 0:55:00.839
<v Speaker 1>She also is like very performatively not into the fact

0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:04.480
<v Speaker 1>that her boyfriend is a billionaire, and every time he

0:55:04.520 --> 0:55:06.319
<v Speaker 1>tries to buy her something, she's like, oh, no, I

0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:09.640
<v Speaker 1>don't want this, which is like, are you kidding? If

0:55:09.800 --> 0:55:13.200
<v Speaker 1>I if I felt if a billionaire fell into my

0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:17.480
<v Speaker 1>lap in a workplace environment, the way I would ride

0:55:17.760 --> 0:55:21.399
<v Speaker 1>and milk that man for all of his works, literally

0:55:22.200 --> 0:55:25.120
<v Speaker 1>literally ride and milk. He bought he buys her car

0:55:25.160 --> 0:55:28.520
<v Speaker 1>in the first film, and she gets like, oh, my god,

0:55:28.560 --> 0:55:30.640
<v Speaker 1>that was so weird too much. I can't take it.

0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:32.239
<v Speaker 1>You have to take it back. I would text him

0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:34.480
<v Speaker 1>and be like, actually, um, I asked for a jeep,

0:55:35.120 --> 0:55:37.560
<v Speaker 1>I asked for a tesla. Things Also, like a car

0:55:37.640 --> 0:55:40.399
<v Speaker 1>is not the kind of thing you can send back. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:42.680
<v Speaker 1>I guess not. But if you're really wealthy, I'm sure

0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:44.680
<v Speaker 1>they are really easy ways to kind of exchange it.

0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:47.000
<v Speaker 1>You can kind of do whatever you want when you're wealthy, apparently,

0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:51.319
<v Speaker 1>but honestly, his him being a billionaire, obviously, it's it's

0:55:51.400 --> 0:55:54.920
<v Speaker 1>very good for fan fiction, it's very sensationalistic. Um, and

0:55:54.960 --> 0:55:56.840
<v Speaker 1>it's good for the movies because they can do things

0:55:56.880 --> 0:56:00.880
<v Speaker 1>like go like fly in a helicopter, like you know,

0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:04.360
<v Speaker 1>he can like come surprise her on her trip with

0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:07.120
<v Speaker 1>her mom. Right, oh yeah, I remember, yeah yeah, And

0:56:07.440 --> 0:56:11.359
<v Speaker 1>I understand narratively what it does. But I think that

0:56:11.440 --> 0:56:16.360
<v Speaker 1>it just, especially now, makes him such an ugly character.

0:56:16.680 --> 0:56:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I think again, when I when I said, like, I

0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:22.440
<v Speaker 1>hate that the engine of the film is around, like

0:56:22.640 --> 0:56:24.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, the fact that he's really great at sex,

0:56:24.320 --> 0:56:27.160
<v Speaker 1>It's like I wish he had at least one more

0:56:27.440 --> 0:56:32.200
<v Speaker 1>redeeming quality, like he I could actually buy into the

0:56:32.239 --> 0:56:35.720
<v Speaker 1>fact that she's only here because he's amazing in the sack.

0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:39.279
<v Speaker 1>If the sex scenes were actually good, Um, but they

0:56:39.280 --> 0:56:42.120
<v Speaker 1>were just kind of you know, very sensual and like

0:56:42.239 --> 0:56:44.480
<v Speaker 1>they sell it. I think it's performed well, but the

0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:47.399
<v Speaker 1>sex is like so lukewarm. I know, honestly, the movies

0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:49.160
<v Speaker 1>would be so much more interesting to me if she

0:56:49.320 --> 0:56:51.360
<v Speaker 1>was like a gold digger and just wanted him for

0:56:51.400 --> 0:56:55.000
<v Speaker 1>his money, Like, then I could understand where she's coming from.

0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:57.840
<v Speaker 1>I would get her motivation. And I even as I

0:56:57.840 --> 0:57:00.000
<v Speaker 1>say this, it sounds like so ester, but there has

0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:02.400
<v Speaker 1>you trying to like woke ify the movie. But no, no,

0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:04.439
<v Speaker 1>but she has to be set up to be like

0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:08.040
<v Speaker 1>not only um, you know, physically pure, but morally pure.

0:57:08.440 --> 0:57:11.360
<v Speaker 1>She has to she has to not want the money

0:57:11.400 --> 0:57:13.960
<v Speaker 1>for him to be attractive to her the same way

0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:16.520
<v Speaker 1>that like, even though he talks all this game about

0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:19.880
<v Speaker 1>wanting her to be sexually experienced, when he finds out

0:57:19.920 --> 0:57:22.480
<v Speaker 1>that she's a virgin, he like loses his mind and

0:57:22.480 --> 0:57:25.120
<v Speaker 1>thinks it's the hottest thing ever, right, And which is

0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, which is so like which I don't understand

0:57:27.600 --> 0:57:30.760
<v Speaker 1>it all? Like I don't understand virginity being attractive. Okay, wait,

0:57:30.840 --> 0:57:33.240
<v Speaker 1>let's talk about that very quickly before we get into

0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:35.840
<v Speaker 1>the sex scenes, because this is like a virgin um

0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:38.080
<v Speaker 1>and you are listening are the virgins, And we have

0:57:38.160 --> 0:57:41.160
<v Speaker 1>to say we on this podcast, like the construct of

0:57:41.240 --> 0:57:44.480
<v Speaker 1>virginity is like a concept that is like so archaic

0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:47.240
<v Speaker 1>and bizarre and weird and like puritanical. And I think

0:57:47.240 --> 0:57:51.920
<v Speaker 1>that Twilight and fifty Shades and things like them exemplify

0:57:52.000 --> 0:57:54.919
<v Speaker 1>what we as a culture kind of believe around what

0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:57.600
<v Speaker 1>it means to have had or not have had sex.

0:57:58.000 --> 0:57:59.920
<v Speaker 1>And I think coming from where I'm at, it's like,

0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:03.880
<v Speaker 1>I like, growing up, there is just a myriad of

0:58:03.920 --> 0:58:06.000
<v Speaker 1>things that you know, my family would think are like

0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:11.760
<v Speaker 1>morally you know, wrong, But I could watch some things

0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:14.840
<v Speaker 1>on TV so long as they weren't sex, Like having

0:58:14.880 --> 0:58:17.880
<v Speaker 1>sex before marriage was like v b all end all

0:58:17.920 --> 0:58:20.360
<v Speaker 1>of like things that you absolutely like that is the

0:58:20.400 --> 0:58:22.800
<v Speaker 1>worst possible thing you can do, and like, culturally we

0:58:22.840 --> 0:58:25.280
<v Speaker 1>subscribe to it. And it's so funny that these like

0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:30.040
<v Speaker 1>women are so uncomplicated in their kind of puritanism that

0:58:30.120 --> 0:58:32.920
<v Speaker 1>they feel like there are a construct of like the

0:58:33.000 --> 0:58:37.120
<v Speaker 1>male imagination, when in fact they're both written by women. Um,

0:58:37.160 --> 0:58:39.640
<v Speaker 1>which is kind of cookie. I think the reason I

0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:42.200
<v Speaker 1>like kind of point that out is like to maybe

0:58:42.200 --> 0:58:45.160
<v Speaker 1>get into the sex scenes of it all, Like this

0:58:45.280 --> 0:58:47.440
<v Speaker 1>movie and it's a relationship to like b D s

0:58:47.520 --> 0:58:51.000
<v Speaker 1>M and kink is like virtually non exist. There is

0:58:51.040 --> 0:58:54.919
<v Speaker 1>no relationship this is at all, And like I'm not

0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a kinky person. I think it's like it's

0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:01.800
<v Speaker 1>honestly just like two much work for me, Like kink

0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:05.040
<v Speaker 1>is a whole lifestyle that you have to like. Well,

0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:07.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it depends on your level, but like when

0:59:07.360 --> 0:59:10.440
<v Speaker 1>you're as kinky as Christian Gray is being set up

0:59:10.480 --> 0:59:12.800
<v Speaker 1>to be, like it's like a hobby, you have to

0:59:12.840 --> 0:59:14.680
<v Speaker 1>invest a lot in it. I just don't have that

0:59:14.760 --> 0:59:17.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of energy or or attention span. And I am

0:59:17.600 --> 0:59:20.000
<v Speaker 1>also like maybe not a member I'm kinky, but I'm

0:59:20.040 --> 0:59:21.760
<v Speaker 1>not like a member of like the b D s

0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:25.080
<v Speaker 1>M community that would speak. However, that being said, like

0:59:25.160 --> 0:59:28.920
<v Speaker 1>even knowing very little about actual B D s M,

0:59:28.960 --> 0:59:31.760
<v Speaker 1>I am well aware that this is not any kind

0:59:31.800 --> 0:59:34.480
<v Speaker 1>of real depiction of what rose. I think you're selling

0:59:34.480 --> 0:59:36.880
<v Speaker 1>yourself short because even though as we said, we're not

0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:39.000
<v Speaker 1>like in that community, you and I, you know, used

0:59:39.040 --> 0:59:40.919
<v Speaker 1>to be sex writers. We used to be like people

0:59:40.960 --> 0:59:43.640
<v Speaker 1>that worked in LGBTQ media, Like we actually do know

0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:45.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot on this topic, and a lot of our

0:59:45.720 --> 0:59:48.720
<v Speaker 1>friends are in this community. So I feel like, you know,

0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:52.680
<v Speaker 1>I was able to really quickly see that there's just

0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:57.120
<v Speaker 1>no absolutely no relation to what this woman's in like

0:59:57.240 --> 1:00:00.240
<v Speaker 1>kind of fantasy of b d S M would be

1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:02.680
<v Speaker 1>because it is so like it just feels like it's

1:00:02.680 --> 1:00:05.160
<v Speaker 1>written by a fourth grader, yeah, when in fact it

1:00:05.200 --> 1:00:08.400
<v Speaker 1>was written by a fifth year old woman. And you know,

1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:11.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the backlash around this movie that wasn't

1:00:11.440 --> 1:00:14.400
<v Speaker 1>centered on like oh ha ha look at women being

1:00:14.440 --> 1:00:17.520
<v Speaker 1>horny and how stupid that is, like ha ha um

1:00:17.880 --> 1:00:21.880
<v Speaker 1>was from people who are actually in into b d S.

1:00:21.960 --> 1:00:25.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying this is not a realistic depiction of of

1:00:26.040 --> 1:00:43.520
<v Speaker 1>us at all. It's also a movie about contract negotiations,

1:00:43.560 --> 1:00:45.960
<v Speaker 1>because like, that's the whole plot of the first movie,

1:00:46.000 --> 1:00:48.120
<v Speaker 1>is him trying to get her to sign paperwork. It

1:00:48.280 --> 1:00:49.919
<v Speaker 1>is the best scene in the movie. It's a really

1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:52.640
<v Speaker 1>good scene with yes. So there is a scene in

1:00:52.640 --> 1:00:56.960
<v Speaker 1>which Anastasia has said that she wants to talk about

1:00:57.400 --> 1:01:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the contract to become Christians submiths sibum, but she has

1:01:02.000 --> 1:01:05.360
<v Speaker 1>some notes on the contract itself, so she asked for

1:01:05.360 --> 1:01:08.560
<v Speaker 1>a meeting at his At his office, she shows up

1:01:08.600 --> 1:01:11.640
<v Speaker 1>in this like very sexy dress and they have a

1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:14.040
<v Speaker 1>meeting in a boardroom in which she tells him like

1:01:14.440 --> 1:01:18.240
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't want to do anal or vaginal fisting. She

1:01:18.280 --> 1:01:21.880
<v Speaker 1>goes to the contract line by line, which is honestly hot.

1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:23.920
<v Speaker 1>It's a very amazing scene. But I thought it was

1:01:24.000 --> 1:01:25.960
<v Speaker 1>I was floored that she wouldn't do anal. I thought

1:01:26.000 --> 1:01:28.600
<v Speaker 1>that was so lame, Like come on, like that's another

1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:30.560
<v Speaker 1>It's like, come on, just like do anal, Like try

1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:34.000
<v Speaker 1>some blood play, like just you know, get into it.

1:01:34.160 --> 1:01:41.120
<v Speaker 1>I've never done blood play, not not on purpose. One

1:01:41.160 --> 1:01:43.240
<v Speaker 1>time I was having sex with someone and like a,

1:01:44.080 --> 1:01:45.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, we were a little too rough and

1:01:45.680 --> 1:01:49.680
<v Speaker 1>there was like a little cut on Like was it, oh,

1:01:49.760 --> 1:01:51.600
<v Speaker 1>yeah it was. There was a cot on my dick,

1:01:51.720 --> 1:01:54.880
<v Speaker 1>and after on your dick, it was like a very

1:01:54.920 --> 1:01:57.600
<v Speaker 1>small sliver it like it like her a little bit,

1:01:57.600 --> 1:01:59.880
<v Speaker 1>but I didn't really notice. Is very small. And after

1:02:00.040 --> 1:02:02.560
<v Speaker 1>we were like kind of done, his his stomach was

1:02:02.640 --> 1:02:05.040
<v Speaker 1>like covered in blood. He's like, where did this blood

1:02:05.080 --> 1:02:08.080
<v Speaker 1>come from? Um? Anyways, No, I have never engaged in

1:02:08.280 --> 1:02:12.600
<v Speaker 1>blood play. But I just like like the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>key iterations of what the author slash filmmaker think is

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<v Speaker 1>kank is essentially handcuffs, Uh, a whip, a writing crop.

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<v Speaker 1>I okay, I love a writing so I used to

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<v Speaker 1>one that's very Oh really, there's this, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>like only really to like I used to like bring

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<v Speaker 1>it to parties when I was a club kid. There's

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<v Speaker 1>this that's hot. That's a good look as well. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I there's this Ermes writing crop that I've been eyeing forever.

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<v Speaker 1>It's vintage. Um it's but it's like think it's like six.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't need a writing crop. But anyways, um, a

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<v Speaker 1>writing crop, a whip, handcuffs. These are things that an

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<v Speaker 1>ice cube he does ice play. Oh yeah, ice play.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm not trying to be a total bitch about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's just like you are. These are things that

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<v Speaker 1>at um, what you want is not necessarily is not cank.

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<v Speaker 1>In B D s M culture, these are things that

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<v Speaker 1>heterosexual couples in their forties and fifties introduced to their

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<v Speaker 1>relationships to quote unquote spice things up. Like it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>not b D s M. It's just not it's like

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<v Speaker 1>it's power play yeah yeah, which is yeah yeah. There

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<v Speaker 1>are little things here and there where it's like this

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<v Speaker 1>could be you know maybe, but it's just all of

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<v Speaker 1>it together just doesn't really work. And then I also

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<v Speaker 1>feel like when like you know, the first kind of

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<v Speaker 1>books came out, the b D s M culture was

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<v Speaker 1>also responding to what is a completely unhealthy, slash inaccurate

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<v Speaker 1>portrayal of consent in b D s M relationships because

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<v Speaker 1>Anna's I think frequently saying she she frequently does things

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<v Speaker 1>for Christian that she's not comfortable with because she's either

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<v Speaker 1>too shy to speak her mind, or because she's afraid

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<v Speaker 1>of losing Christian, or because you know, she just like it,

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<v Speaker 1>just doesn't have enough agency, even though she has more

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<v Speaker 1>as to see than Bella. But you know that's not

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<v Speaker 1>how b D s M has And when you do

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<v Speaker 1>it the right way quote unquote has very you know,

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<v Speaker 1>hard and fast kind of rules of communication and boundaries.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have found that my friends in b D

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<v Speaker 1>s M culture have some of the healthiest relationships and

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<v Speaker 1>or sex lives because they have to over communicate where

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<v Speaker 1>those lines are where a lot of times people not

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<v Speaker 1>in b D s M are too, just as the

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<v Speaker 1>as portrayed in fifty Shades are kind of too scared

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about those things because sex is embarrassing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's only there's only a passing mention of like safe words.

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<v Speaker 1>They talk about it during the contract negotiation scene, like which,

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<v Speaker 1>like do they even really do safe words anymore? Like

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I I will say, like I have to

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<v Speaker 1>admit that my only knowledge of b D s M

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<v Speaker 1>comes from fan fiction because because because it is a

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<v Speaker 1>true it is really a trope in in fan fiction.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have no idea if the understanding I have

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<v Speaker 1>of b D s M is even true to life,

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<v Speaker 1>and that it is like being written about through the

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<v Speaker 1>lens of someone's own experience, or if it's literally just

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<v Speaker 1>like teenagers making up what they think b D s

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<v Speaker 1>M is, or like women playing out their fantasies through

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<v Speaker 1>these characters, Like I have no idea if it's if

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<v Speaker 1>it's real or not, because it's not something that like

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<v Speaker 1>I really engage in in my actual sexual life. So

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<v Speaker 1>it could be that these ideas I have of what

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<v Speaker 1>b D s M actually are could be totally fake.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be really curious to see what would happen

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<v Speaker 1>if someone who was maybe more of a b D

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<v Speaker 1>s M communities mind would do with this film, like

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<v Speaker 1>would would like um anified Christian Gray on like Field

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<v Speaker 1>or something like you know for the I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if anybody if those listening, No, but there's like a

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<v Speaker 1>dating app that's like so busted. The UX is so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Well there, I mean, we do have to we do

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<v Speaker 1>have to say there's a difference between kink and b

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<v Speaker 1>D s M. Yeah, obviously, yeah, yeah, right, kink is

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a bigger umbrella over a bunch of like sub umbrellas.

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<v Speaker 1>And because I think they're there are plenty of people

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<v Speaker 1>who are into kink who don't want b D s M.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want, who don't want power or pain to

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<v Speaker 1>be part of that sexual experience. Right. Um, I was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna ask, have you ever have you ever like looked

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<v Speaker 1>at Field or tried fields or like I've been on

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<v Speaker 1>Field before, Like I mean I haven't had an account,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've been on the website. It's it is. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>apparently it's supposed to be for people that are maybe kinky,

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<v Speaker 1>but also maybe people that are polly and looking for

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<v Speaker 1>thirds question mark. The UX is so busted. And what

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<v Speaker 1>is really weird about it is like pretty much everyone

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<v Speaker 1>I've had too and I don't use the app, but

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<v Speaker 1>like when I did try it, everyone I swiped on

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<v Speaker 1>was just looked like some normy heterosexual couple, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, where like the queer people on this? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's very that's very fifty Shades because you know, like I,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's funny to me that I like these movies

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<v Speaker 1>so much when usually the reason that I am drawn

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<v Speaker 1>to something like this is because I can catch a

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<v Speaker 1>whiff of queerness, whether it's through like subtext or like

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<v Speaker 1>shipping some characters together or whatever. But Fifty Shades of

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<v Speaker 1>Gray is so aggressively hetero, like there's no there's truly

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<v Speaker 1>nothing gay about it except in the first movie when

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<v Speaker 1>um Anastasia asked Christian if he's gay, right, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's for some reason, that's the last time homosexuality

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<v Speaker 1>is ever acknowledged. And slightly back to the Rita or

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<v Speaker 1>of it all. You warned me about Rita Aura. You

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<v Speaker 1>did not warn me about Marsha Gay Harden. But I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted it to be a surprise, not just Marsha Guy Harden,

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<v Speaker 1>but Marsha gay harden also as a character that has

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<v Speaker 1>literally no bearing on the plot of the first film

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<v Speaker 1>at all, and I think has like one or two

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<v Speaker 1>lines question mark she does. She is important later because,

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<v Speaker 1>as I said, um, christians old lover is friends with

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<v Speaker 1>his mom, and in the third movie, I believe she

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<v Speaker 1>finds out about it and slaps her or like throws

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<v Speaker 1>a drink in her face, slaps his mom. No, no, no no,

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<v Speaker 1>Marcia gay harden Um throws a drink in combasing her

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<v Speaker 1>face because she finds out that she like preyed on

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<v Speaker 1>her son when he was a teenager. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that is actually something that must be noted, is

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<v Speaker 1>that like, um, people that are into this are not

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<v Speaker 1>um should are not a product of like childhood abuse,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Like there's a pathologizing of

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Gray. And yeah, Anastasia is very like preoccupied with

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<v Speaker 1>what the question why are you like this? Exactly? And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even want to like defend Christian Gray. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a dick. He's a bad person, straight up, um, but

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<v Speaker 1>like he It's It's true, like throughout the whole like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of franchise, there is this kind of like hm hmm,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy is fucked up and like there's something wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with him, and and Anesthesia thinks she can fix him. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just so, and she wants to know when they'll

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<v Speaker 1>be able to have a normal relationship. Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it's just it's not it's it doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's safe to say you won't be

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<v Speaker 1>watching fifty Shades Darker and fifty Shades freed Man unless

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<v Speaker 1>you tied me up and uh forced me to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>I would only do it with your consent. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I most likely will be going home and watching them

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<v Speaker 1>immediately after we finished recording, because tis the season fifty Shades.

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<v Speaker 1>They are Valentine's Day movies. They are what I like

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<v Speaker 1>to watch this time of year, and I love them

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<v Speaker 1>so much period, And I hold stay for that. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate you holding space for me. I really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you gaping for me. No, not that. We will

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<v Speaker 1>be back next week with a discussion on Jagged Little

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<v Speaker 1>Pill the album slash. We kind of get into the

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<v Speaker 1>musical a little bit too, with none other than Charlene Incarnet,

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<v Speaker 1>renowned drag artist and friend of ours who has come

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<v Speaker 1>on a pod because she is honestly the expert on

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<v Speaker 1>all things Atlantis. Um, you can tell us what you

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<v Speaker 1>like about this week's episode. Did you watch the Shades? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you? Are you? And Anna? Are you a Christian? Um?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you a Rita? Are? Do you like fan fiction?

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<v Speaker 1>What fan fiction would you like to see adopted into

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<v Speaker 1>a major film franchise next? I identify as a Marsha

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<v Speaker 1>of course. Um, you can tell us what to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about next, whether it's a show, a book, a cultural

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<v Speaker 1>phenomenon we want to hear from you. Call to confess

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