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Speaker 1: after a busy NFL weekend. We are live. It is

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Speaker 1: The Herd. Wherever you may be and however you may

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Speaker 1: be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Jamax.

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Speaker 1: We finally got some football and the quarterbacks play Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow's plan over the course of the weekend. The tours

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Speaker 1: playing starters are playing. Matt Stafford didn't we knew that,

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Speaker 1: but Caleb Williams interesting, we did not play, and I

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Speaker 1: want to get to that. Okay, justin so one hour

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Speaker 1: from now, Colin Wright, Colin Rock. So what's interesting is

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Speaker 1: Mike Sando. We'll have him on tomorrow. His annual survey

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Speaker 1: came out this morning. So Mike Sandal has been doing

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Speaker 1: this for a year. It's kind of the bible of

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Speaker 1: what the league thinks. That it's quarterbacks he has fifty voters,

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Speaker 1: So he has six GMS, six assistant gms, six former gms,

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Speaker 1: eight head coaches, five execs, nineteen assistant coaches. So this

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Speaker 1: is a wide array of opinions upstairs, below upstairs, people

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Speaker 1: who have played against quarterbacks, and so the tiers are

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Speaker 1: pretty predictable. I don't have any real squabbles. Your Tier

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Speaker 1: one is mahomes Borough, Allen, Lamar, Jackson, Stafford. I agree

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Speaker 1: with that. Tier two is Daniels, Herbert Goff, c J. Stroud,

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Speaker 1: you know, Tier three they got bow knicks closer to

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Speaker 1: the middle than the top. I'd probably change that. But

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Speaker 1: here's what's interesting. Caleb Williams is bottom of tier three.

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Speaker 1: But fifteen voters, about thirty percent of voters already knowing

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Speaker 1: what a mess the Bears were last year. That wasn't

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Speaker 1: Caleb's fault, the coaching staff. Fifteen voters have Caleb in

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Speaker 1: tier four. Tier four. I'm not even putting on the screen.

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Speaker 1: It's old Russell Wilson, It's Daniel Jones, it's Spencer Rattler,

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Speaker 1: not gonna work. That's alarm me. Here's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: There were a couple of quotes from coaches, and I've

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Speaker 1: said I'm rooting for Caleb. I'm now in Chicago a lot.

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Speaker 1: I want the football team to be good. Here's two

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Speaker 1: quotes from coaches. One of them a defensive coordinator who said,

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Speaker 1: in terms of processing ability and getting the ball out

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Speaker 1: of his hands, he was the worst quarterback we played against.

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Speaker 1: He holds the ball forever. A head coach in the

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Speaker 1: NFL said his processing to me was alarming watching the

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Speaker 1: tape alarming. Also, before the game, a lot of quarterbacks played.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, played Mahomes, played Ben Johnson. Because they had

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Speaker 1: a scrimmage against Miami earlier in the week. Ben Johnson

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Speaker 1: decided not to play them at all yesterday. And here

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Speaker 1: was Ben Johnson's reasoning. There is no substitute for real

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Speaker 1: life bullets. I get that.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, when you can accumulate seventy

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Speaker 1: That goes a long way in terms of where you

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Speaker 2: With the connection with the quarterback in his pass catchers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of other quarterbacks in those inner

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Speaker 1: squad games, whatever you want to call him. They had

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Speaker 1: sixty seventy stamps too. Bryce Young played, Joe Burrow played,

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Speaker 1: this weekend and he did not. Caleb didn't. And I'm

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Speaker 1: a big, loud, aggressive media. It is a poorly owned

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Speaker 1: not hostile of Shadeur Sanders after making a point after

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Speaker 1: And again it's it's not it's not ugly. And I

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Speaker 1: It's fine. But this thing is like, Chadure, what are

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Speaker 1: watching Tony grossy TikTok clips. And here's the thing I've

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Speaker 1: said about Shador and I've defended him. His size, his arm,

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Speaker 1: And I think his accuracy I think it's really good.

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Speaker 1: I think he throws a better ball than Dak, but

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Speaker 1: think his accuracy is an excellent trait. I'll argue. I'll

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Speaker 1: really beautiful catchable ball. He's an easy thrower. But I

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Speaker 1: in the ball's accurate. C J. Stroud. Ball comes out

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Speaker 1: Stroud's accurate. Herbert's accurate. I think Shaduer and I also

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Speaker 1: O whity guys, mom's athletic ability. Well, his mom must

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Speaker 1: be a good athlete because he moves well. And Shandur

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Speaker 1: had a good game. But my take is, and I'm

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Speaker 1: out of this little stuff. Oh right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what you said about Johnny Manziel at Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 1: and Deshaun Watson's court stuff in Houston. How about you

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Speaker 1: set this one out rounds fan, You're all for three on.

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Speaker 1: It's no big deal. The speeding tickets. His own GM

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Speaker 1: and support from local radio. Guy watch film and again,

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Speaker 1: it's not the end of the world. He is a

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Speaker 1: good kid, but the judgment thing for him is going

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Speaker 1: to have to be exceptional. He is not big Ben,

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Speaker 1: And Brady knew it, and Peyton Manning knew it. Peyton

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Speaker 1: when you're not, the trades aren't a Dak had so

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Speaker 1: much self awareness. I said this from the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: Dak was one of those strangely mature guys like twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Dak was twenty three going on thirty three. Jalen hurts,

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Speaker 1: he's not real big and not a great pocket guy.

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Speaker 1: He's like twenty seven going on forty seven. So this

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Speaker 1: Don't worry about what local media says, like, just stay

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Speaker 1: away from that stuff and Cleveland fan sit it out.

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Speaker 1: You've been telling me for years that stuff doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: I've been right three out of three times. You got

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Speaker 1: rid of Baker. I told you, get off television in

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Speaker 1: the commercials. Baker, just get the quarterback thing right. Forget

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Speaker 1: the commercials. He was good in the commercials. Here's Kevin

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Speaker 1: Stefanski on whether Chador is gonna get number one quarterback

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Speaker 2: I'm really focused on all of our quarterbacks development and

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Speaker 2: every single one of these reps. We have a standard

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Speaker 2: there are things that Shadur can clean up. He will

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to hear your anti Shadur. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I thought he was underdrafted. I thought Jackson

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Speaker 1: I think Shador was underdrafted. And when you watch him play,

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Speaker 1: he's very comfortable. He's a real six two to eighteen.

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Speaker 1: He's not a weight room junkie, but he's he's if

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Speaker 1: you're six foot two, you're in the ninety six percentile

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Speaker 1: he's tall, he carries his weight well. He's not spindily

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Speaker 1: like Teddy Bridgewater or is Matt Ryan skinny or golf.

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Speaker 1: He's not top heavy like Will Levis. He looks like

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Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback six two two eighteen, easily accurate, moves well,

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Speaker 1: he's not great at that stuff, but he's absolutely to

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Speaker 1: me a franchise quarterback with all that stuff. He didn't

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Speaker 1: have a weird delivery. He's not slinging it side arm.

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Speaker 1: He's a franchise quarterback, but he better be buttoned up

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Speaker 1: on the other stuff, because that's what's made Dak rich,

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Speaker 1: not the arm, not the traits. And I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Traits are probably sixty percent of this stuff, sixty to

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Speaker 1: sixty five percent. But the other thirty five percent. If

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Speaker 1: I told you to be successful in life, sixty five

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Speaker 1: percent is you know, DNA, but thirty five percent is discipline. Well,

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Speaker 1: you better be disciplined. That's a big chunk of life,

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Speaker 1: all right, Jay mc colin, Wright, Colin wrong. This this

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Speaker 1: Colin Wright, Colin Raw and Matt Hasselback too. So I

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Speaker 3: Start with the Pittsburgh Steelers, Colin. They got a nice

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Speaker 1: room at twenty four years old and tell thirty four

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Speaker 1: year old players what to do. As I've said about

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Speaker 1: rookie and second year quarterbacks, it's almost unfair. But tough

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Speaker 1: quarterback is not receiver, Mike linebacker. You have to come

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Speaker 1: in and bark, and you have to come in and lead,

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Speaker 1: and if you can't do that, don't play the position.

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Speaker 1: That's why I don't find me a silly quarterback who's

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Speaker 1: an all time great. I'm not interested. John Elway was

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Speaker 1: barking at Dan Reeves's coach. That's what I need, NBA.

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Speaker 1: I don't just show me your talent, score and defend quarterback.

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Speaker 1: It's unfair. I had this conversation with a in. John

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Speaker 1: Middlecoffin and I were talking about this. Surgeons, I need

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Speaker 1: you to be uniquely mature at twenty seven years old,

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Speaker 1: No senior froggy, he's night before surgery. I need you

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Speaker 1: to be home sleeping pilots. I'm not interested in you

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Speaker 1: hang with the bros like you have to be rested

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Speaker 1: for your flight. Quarterbacks are same. The only thing in

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Speaker 1: sports I need you to be ready to go at

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Speaker 1: twenty four. You don't get to go out and party

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Speaker 1: with your boys. If you do, like Manziel, you're out

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Speaker 1: of the leak. I got no time for it. San

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Speaker 1: Drake May is doing that. But what Frable's saying is

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Speaker 1: Tom could go out and knock down a beer after

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Speaker 1: they want to get Tom Brady did not drink in

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Speaker 1: the regular season, not a beer. That's if you want

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Speaker 1: to knock him down. Maybe in a bye week you

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Speaker 1: go to Cancun. That's fine, but it just this is

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Speaker 1: what's needed for the position.

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Speaker 5: Abe.

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Speaker 3: We institute that here on the show. No drinking policy

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Speaker 3: during the season. We got to lock in for gambling.

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Speaker 3: It's possible. Final story, Colin is Matt you Stafford, He's

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Speaker 3: got that back issue.

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Speaker 6: However, Sean McVeigh.

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Speaker 3: Expects him back at practice today and he talked about

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Speaker 3: Stafford's throwing session on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: It was awesome. He looked good. He threw the ball

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Speaker 1: really well.

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Speaker 7: There was no limitations in terms of the types of

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Speaker 7: throws deep, intermediate, short, We were moving the launch point

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Speaker 7: and you know, he felt really good and so looking

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Speaker 7: forward to progressing him back into practice on Monday, but

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Speaker 7: it was a good step in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it just came over that Jordan or

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Speaker 1: Sarah bar shop Or is reporting that Stafford's in street

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Speaker 1: clothes and didn't appear to be practicing. So I'm going

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Speaker 1: to give you my Kirk cousin, Aaron Rodgers Matt Stafford comp.

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Speaker 1: I don't want Matt Stafford in the preseason with backup

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman Stafford Cousins Aaron, I don't want him out there. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: Joe Flacco, i'd give a pass to because he's so big.

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Speaker 1: He's such a physical outlier. He could take a couple

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Speaker 1: of hits. Quarterbacks who are older, been around the block,

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Speaker 1: don't need the snaps. Burrow is only doing it because

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati has been so disappointing in September, so like Zach

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Speaker 1: Taylor's trying to figure out a way to be better

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Speaker 1: in September in that division. Otherwise, I wouldn't play Burrow

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Speaker 1: because of his injuries. But I do think with Burrow,

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Speaker 1: it's like there's this riddle, like why are they so

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Speaker 1: bad in September? Like I don't get it, so that

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Speaker 1: I get Mahomes fights for snaps. I've heard Mahomes wants

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Speaker 1: more than Andy Gibbs and Andy will play starters. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't care. So Jmack with the News, Well that's the news,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's really interesting. So what the NFL is doing now.

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Speaker 1: They have these practices, like you know, the Rams and

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys will have a practice and then they'll have

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Speaker 1: a game and it's funny. Andy Reid will not do

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Speaker 1: that ever, So Andy Reid's theory is he's old school.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to steal any and I don't want

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Speaker 1: you to look at my personnel. You could see one

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Speaker 1: of our fifth round draft picks and you go back

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Speaker 1: home and you start. You know, Andy Reid does not

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Speaker 1: want any of those. Kyle Shanahan will do a singular

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Speaker 1: practice with another team, but not too because his feeling

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Speaker 1: is if you have a practice and you win the practice,

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Speaker 1: then the other team this is when fights happen, get

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Speaker 1: marked at by their coaches and they come back the

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Speaker 1: next day at practice and they're just banging on your guys.

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Speaker 1: So one of my few knocks on the NFL is

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Speaker 1: I don't like preseason. I don't like it, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think I need a lot of inner squad practices

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Speaker 1: or whatever you want to call these things. Joint practicem sorry,

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Speaker 1: joint practices. I don't like joint practices. You can do

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Speaker 1: a few of them. I don't like preseason games. And

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Speaker 1: my reason is when Texas and Oklahoma, Texas and Ohio

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Speaker 1: State play on Fox here in a couple weeks, Texas

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Speaker 1: isn't having joint practices with the Aggies, the buck Eyes

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Speaker 1: aren't having them with the Wolverines. And these are nineteen

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Speaker 1: year old kids and they'll look like they're ready to play.

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Speaker 1: Remember Ohio State played Oregon last year early in the season.

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Speaker 1: How many joint practices, I mean, how many they don't

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Speaker 1: do it. So if college guys don't need a preseason

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Speaker 1: and are limited by the NCAA in practice hours and

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Speaker 1: with the NIL and the transfer portal, these college teams

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Speaker 1: have thirty new players and they don't need it. So

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Speaker 1: I think Rashaun Slater getting hurt now I know what

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Speaker 1: it was at a practice, and sometimes it's just bad luck.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think joint practices I would do maybe one.

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Speaker 1: I would not do it with the team in my Division.

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Speaker 1: I would not. In fact, I probably would make sure

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Speaker 1: the team's not on my schedule for the next couple

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Speaker 1: of years. You know, I'm not a conspiracy to rist,

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Speaker 1: but if Andy Reid says not doing it, I'm kind

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Speaker 1: of on Andy's side on this, But I'm not a

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Speaker 1: I'm I think you are paid in football to figure

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Speaker 1: out how good a guy is without game stuff. Mean

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. Right now, Ryan Day is going to have

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Speaker 1: to make a decision on who's the starter. No preseason

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Speaker 1: and no joint practices. You're paid to figure it out, right, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't get a pre show before the show, like

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Speaker 1: the light comes on Talk, right, you can do at

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Speaker 1: prep practice. We don't. We don't do joint sessions with

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Speaker 3: Sunday, the NFL is back on Fox and we're kicking

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Speaker 3: it off with raining MVP Josh Allen and the Bills

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Speaker 3: taking on Caleb Williams and the Bears. Preseason football Sunday,

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Speaker 3: eight eastern on Fox.

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Speaker 1: Okay, time out. That will be the highest retted preseason

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Speaker 1: game of the preseason. I'll make I'll make a bet

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Speaker 1: right now. And that's not because of Josh Allen. Aren't

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Speaker 1: you intrigued by that stuff?

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Speaker 3: Listen, Josh Allen, There's no way Josh Allen's taking a

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Speaker 3: snap in that game.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't need to. But with Kayleb Williams, well.

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Speaker 6: They're gonna get after Caleb Williams. That's you know.

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Speaker 3: Mc McDermott's not going to go in there like, oh,

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Speaker 3: let's play patty Cake.

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Speaker 6: They're going after Caleb.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, you had a note on Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 3: Did you see where that video came from of Schdure

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Speaker 3: talking to the reporter? No, hey, yeah, it was actually

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Speaker 3: Shadour's brother, Deon Sanders Junior, was filming it. And I'm

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Speaker 3: just wondering, Colin, was this scripted, Hey, after you play well, let's.

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Speaker 6: Go talk to that reporter.

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Speaker 1: Get it.

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Speaker 3: It's going to go viral. It went viral and it

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Speaker 3: also pumped up kept it in the family. This isn't

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Speaker 3: some like random person got the video. It was Deon

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Speaker 3: Sanders junior of well Off Media. You can read about

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Speaker 3: that online.

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Speaker 1: I don't love that. I don't that's worse than it

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Speaker 1: being some rando like guys concentrating the stuff that matters

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Speaker 1: that don't remember when I was critical to Baker get

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Speaker 1: off television commercials. Stop posing with tigers like figure the

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Speaker 1: quarterback position out and all the Brown fans. You're making

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Speaker 1: a big deal. It creates this focus on the stuff

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Speaker 1: that matter.

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Speaker 3: Said, we're in an interesting era right now, Colin where

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Speaker 3: people want to settle scores. Okay, that's a big thing

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Speaker 3: among politicians right now, and this, to me feels like

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Speaker 3: her going after somebody.

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Speaker 6: He's had a rough five months dating back to the draft.

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Speaker 1: And the lead. He was gonna be a top five pick.

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Speaker 3: Daniel Jeremiah had him top twenty on his board, and

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Speaker 3: the guy falls through the fifth round. Everybody's blasting him.

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Speaker 3: He gets the speeding tickets, and now he's getting he's

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Speaker 3: like a pinata in Cleveland.

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Speaker 6: Is he going to make the roster? Fourth string?

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Speaker 1: He plays?

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Speaker 6: Okay?

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Speaker 1: I mean he was. He was not great.

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Speaker 6: He was good, right, Oh?

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Speaker 1: I think no.

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Speaker 6: The first thing he does a settle a score with

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Speaker 6: a reporter.

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Speaker 1: Everybody kept telling me he's not athletic enough, and I

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Speaker 1: kept saying, yes he is. He had two times when

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Speaker 1: he moved. I mean, and watch him. When he moves,

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Speaker 1: he throws a really that's a perfect pass. That's a

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Speaker 1: really good pass against.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I think his accuracy is franchise quarterback accuracy. I think

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Speaker 1: his movement is he is not a stationary target. I'll

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Speaker 1: argue this all Now. Does he run backwards too much? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Caleb does it? Wagh too much? Caleb? Can you know

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Speaker 1: Josh did this early? You gotta get that. Caleb is

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Speaker 1: not athletic enough to do that. I don't think he

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Speaker 1: did it too much in college. But in college had

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Speaker 1: a horrible old line Cleveland's O linees Okay. I don't

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Speaker 1: know where PFF franks to me, it's always been okay,

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Speaker 1: But I I thought all of his college traits transferred.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. When Johnny Manzel, everybody told

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Speaker 1: me how athletic he was. Everybody told me how athletic

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Speaker 1: Tebow was, and you saw immediately that Tebow was closer

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Speaker 1: to a tight end than he was a gifted athletic quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And you saw. I remember the first Johnny Manzel game,

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Speaker 1: he got outrun by a defensive end and I'm like, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: Part of Tbau and Manzell's primary strength was whow these

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Speaker 1: guys get out there and move. Shaudor does not move

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Speaker 1: noticeably worse than Tbau, who I was told was a

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Speaker 1: great athlete, should do or. But Shaudr's strength isn't the

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Speaker 1: chador sits in the pocket and throws darts. I mean,

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Speaker 1: look at this throw. That's like, it's a really good throw.

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Speaker 1: That is an excellent here in the pocket with heat.

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Speaker 1: That is a really big time throw. He is in

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Speaker 1: the end zone. You got a man coming at you,

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Speaker 1: a pro. Look at this. That is athletic. I want

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Speaker 1: to hear that he doesn't have NFL traits. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to hear that he's a fifth round quarterback. He

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Speaker 1: was underdrafted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now this is the Panthers, okay, and these are

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Speaker 3: backups and third stringers.

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Speaker 1: But backup.

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Speaker 3: It's a nitpick, just a little, okay.

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Speaker 6: I know the two touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: You know, their two scoring drives were like ten yard

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Speaker 3: drive and a forty three yard drive. Okay, so let's

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Speaker 3: not go. He's not going eighty yards. The drives were

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Speaker 3: short and sweet. There's a lot of punting, I get it. Overall,

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Speaker 3: I would say this was a promising debut for Shador,

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Speaker 3: and I do think it's a real competition now between

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Speaker 3: him and Dylan Gabriel. I also thought I'm Joe Flacco

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Speaker 3: starting week one. I just don't believe that.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, all right, Tyson Beagent the backup for the Bears.

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Speaker 1: He had like a sixteen play drive. It was pretty good. Yea.

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Speaker 1: And again I always hear this, Well he's doing it

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Speaker 1: against backups. He's playing with backups. Also true, Okay, so

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Speaker 1: it's all relative here. So this is interesting. Mike Sando

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Speaker 1: the athletic comes out. He'll be on tomorrow. I love this.

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Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with his quarterback tiers. It's like one of

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Speaker 1: those gifts. I don't know what day comes out today,

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Speaker 1: I'm driving it and I'm like Misleby Christmas. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like I don't even have to talk about it today,

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Speaker 1: but I led with it, so he has. This is

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Speaker 1: where NFL executives and I totally agree. In their tiers

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Speaker 1: four tiers they have Jalen Hurt's ninth tenth best quarterback

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Speaker 1: and fans view quarterbacks through the lens of hey they

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Speaker 1: win well. Trend Dilfer and Nick Foles have Super Bowl

662
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Speaker 1: rings and Dan Reno doesn't. Matt Hasselbeck doesn't. Matt Hasselbeck

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Speaker 1: is better than Nick Foles by a lot, and Trent Dilfer.

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Speaker 1: So gms are asked to contextualize it. And if it

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Speaker 1: was just about when for a quarterback, then how did

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes get drafted in the first round? And how

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Speaker 1: did Josh Allen? I watched Josh Allen play two good

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Speaker 1: teams in college Iowa, Oregon. He got crushed by bo

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Speaker 1: fans view quarterback. It's all about winning. You have as

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Speaker 1: a you're asked, I mean, a great stockbroker tells you

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Speaker 1: to buy a stock before it's one hundred and forty bucks.

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Speaker 1: He tells you to buy it when it's thirteen. Anybody

673
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Speaker 1: can buy a stock. Anybody can buy Navidia now for

674
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Speaker 1: the next ten years, or Amazon, and say, eh, I

675
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Speaker 1: know my stuff. Would you buy at NAVIDI at nine

676
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Speaker 1: twenty six, seven years ago. So Matt Stafford played in

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Speaker 1: the NFL for twelve years and did not win a

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Speaker 1: playoff game. He's a Tier one quarterback and he was

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Speaker 1: Sean mcvay's number one target. So this is not a

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Speaker 1: knock on Jalen Hurts. He's not as tall as you'd like.

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Speaker 1: He's about the same size or shorter than brock Purty.

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Speaker 1: And brock Purty last week a podcast and said forty

683
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Speaker 1: percent of the time I can't see who I'm throwing to.

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Speaker 1: Tua has said publicly, yeah, a lot of times I

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Speaker 1: let go of the ball. I can't see the receiver.

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Speaker 1: So and the other thing is, and this is just

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Speaker 1: so obvious. The Eagles had a bye week. Remember when

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady went to Bruce Arians. They were seven and

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Speaker 1: five and they had a bye week. You can break

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Speaker 1: down your offense in that bye week and kind of

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Speaker 1: make a major. It's hard to get off the treadmill

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Speaker 1: week to week to week, but when you get that

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Speaker 1: bye week and you get three or four extra practices,

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady goes to Bruce Arians and says, we're going

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Speaker 1: to change up the offense. Last year in the bye week,

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Speaker 1: the people who know him best said, you know, we'd

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Speaker 1: be better off throwing less. That's a tell. So some

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in this league are Taylor Swift. They're leading the

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Speaker 1: entire tour. Most quarterbacks in this league are the Spice Girls.

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Speaker 1: They're part of an ensemble. Jalen is part of an ensemble.

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Speaker 1: Of the fifty voters fifty in the Mike Sando survey

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Speaker 1: of the fifty three had Jalen Hurds is the tier

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Speaker 1: one quarterback. Okay, it'd be different if it was like

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Speaker 1: twenty three, and then we could argue. But he was

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Speaker 1: much closer to seventh rounder Brock Purty than Mahomes Burrough

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Speaker 1: and Josh Allen or Lamar. And that's exactly right. Best

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Speaker 1: a line in football, two great receivers, best running back

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Speaker 1: in football, an offensive organization, always above average tight ends,

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Speaker 1: and two easy wins every year with the Giants, and

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Speaker 1: relatively easy wins over the Cowboys. So, for the record,

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Speaker 1: I've always said this, the difference between the truly great

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Speaker 1: like Mahlmes and the good Baker may darnold what happens

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Speaker 1: when you ask him to carry the team. So Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: When he throws over forty times in his career, that

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Speaker 1: means the Chiefs are either behind or the run game's

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Speaker 1: not working. Mahlmes is thirty nine and eleven. When Jalen

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Speaker 1: hurts with a great o' line is asked to throw

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Speaker 1: forty times or more, he's own five. He's never won

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Speaker 1: an NFL game. Okay, those are also very similar to

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott's numbers. When Dak Dak went thirteen and three,

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Speaker 1: when he had the best O line and he had

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Speaker 1: that great rookie running back remember out of Ohio State

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Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott and Zach's throwing twenty seven times. Dak was

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Speaker 1: thirteen and three, and then all of a sudden, you

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Speaker 1: know Zeke ages. They don't have a number one before

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Speaker 1: a Marii Cooper and it's like, yeah, Dak's not as

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Speaker 1: good when you ask him to throw forty two times.

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Speaker 1: It's a different quarterback. So it's not a criticism. Again,

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Speaker 1: very few Taylor swifts a lot of spice girls. You're

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Speaker 1: just part of an ensemble. You need protection. For the record,

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Speaker 1: last year Niners beat up at left tackle. Christian McCaffrey

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Speaker 1: didn't play. I think perty was one in six with

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan one in six against playoff teams. Brock, when

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Speaker 1: he has the ensemble healthy, can be a very effective quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Smart moves, all that jazz hour two on a Monday.

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Speaker 1: Come up next