1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to Best of Both Worlds. 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode two hundred and forty nine, 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: which is airing in May at some point of twenty 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: twenty two. We're moving a couple of episodes around for 13 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: various different reasons, but we always try and say a 14 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: few weeks ahead. So on this now. Today we're going 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: to be talking about household hacks, so various ways that 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: we make our household run more efficiently, smoothly, little things 17 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: we've come up with for the years. Of course, some 18 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: folks listening to this might be like, well, we hear 19 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: that Best of Both Worlds is a big fan of outsourcing, 20 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: and that is true, correct Sarah, absolutely big fan, big fan. 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: But it turns out that it is almost impossible to 22 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: outsource everything. No matter how much you do, there is 23 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: still gonna be other things to do. I mean, even 24 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: if one has a tremendous amount of money to hire help, 25 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: there's still going to be a gap between what is 26 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: there at any given moment and what one theoretically could 27 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: have and the practical reality. Unless you staff your household 28 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: like twenty four to seven with various teams of folk, 29 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: which even most extremely wealthy people are not going to 30 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: do if they have any aspirations of normality, There's gonna 31 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: be stuff to be done. I was reminded of this 32 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: when I read Melinda Gates book not long ago. And 33 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: I mean she wasn't messing worries about She said, I 34 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: had a lot of help, you know, raising my kids, 35 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: running my household all that. I mean, go figure. But 36 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: she was still talking about like family dinners and they're 37 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: all cleaning, and like the kids would try to take off, 38 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: you know, before everything had been cleaned. She's like, no, 39 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: get back here. We're not leaving until the household, you know, 40 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: the kitchen is clean. I mean, this is one of 41 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: the richest families in the world. But you know, unless 42 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: even if somebody else had cooked the dinner, like unless 43 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: you have people hovering around until the end of it, 44 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: like somebody's got to clear the dishes and then you know, 45 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: put them in the dishwasher or something, and you can 46 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: leave it until the next morning. But then you know, 47 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: you've got aunts and your one hundred million dollar households. 48 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: Its just you want to do something. I wonder if 49 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: the British Royal family does their dishes over Yeah, well 50 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: they might. I mean the thing is, if you want 51 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: to have any sort of privacy whatsoever, like you have 52 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: to do some things. I mean, it's just like the 53 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: nature of it. But you know, anyway, we outsource a lot, 54 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: but we still do a lot. I mean there's still 55 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: plenty left. There's still plenty to do. I mean, we have, 56 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: as you do, a full time theame, we have a 57 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: weekly housekeeping service, we have a yard service. We still 58 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: wind up doing a ton of stuff, which has always 59 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: struck me as one of those problems with the broad 60 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: pronouncement that outsourcing means kids won't learn how to do 61 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: household tasks, Like if you hire a cleaning service, your 62 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: kids will never learn to do household task. Like in 63 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: my experience, there is plenty of work for everyone. Our 64 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: nanny does a lot of the kid laundry, but I 65 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: do some on the weekend if there's extra to be done. 66 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: The kids see me and their dad doing laundry. We 67 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: all chip in on dishes, on emptying the dishwasher, where 68 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: we all cook some days, we all run errands at 69 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: different points, so still a lot to be done. Yes, agree, 70 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 1: you know it's so funny since we wrote these notes, 71 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: I have some additional household hacks because, as I've mentioned, 72 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: Annabelle has taken to YouTubers that are into making lunches 73 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: doing house prep, and we spent like two hours binge 74 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: watching her favorite the family Fudge. If she wants to 75 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: be on the podcast, I would welcome it because she's 76 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: definitely made a thriving income. She has her own best 77 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: of both worlds going right now showing other women how 78 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: they can keep a perfect home. So it's a little 79 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: interesting anyway. So many good hacks there, So maybe I'll 80 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: be adding to this list. Laura, I'll be surprising you are, well, 81 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: that's exciting. I'm surprised. I will enjoy the surprise as 82 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: it comes. So first, let's cover that topic of laundry. 83 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: Do you actually like doing laundry? I know you don't 84 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: really do a lot of it. Do have you ever 85 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: enjoyed it? And I used to enjoy laundry pre kids, Yeah, 86 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: doesn't feel it's never It used to feel meditative because 87 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: there was like time to do it when I wouldn't 88 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: be interrupted, And now I never feel like there's a 89 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: great time to do it. My husband actually doesn't mind 90 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: doing it because his time to do it is like 91 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: while watching TV shows late at night when I'm usually asleep. 92 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: So actually, if ar Nannie doesn't do our laundry, he 93 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: is more likely to do it than I am at 94 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: this point. Yeah, and she Now we have a little 95 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: little talk here about the frequency of laundry, she said 96 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: she and she does like a load every day? Or 97 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,719 Speaker 1: how does that work? Yes? And so do we like 98 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: we found if we? I mean, yes, there's different schools 99 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: of thought. And actually, as I was watching that YouTube, 100 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: I was like, well, actually, if you kept your each 101 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: kid's laundry separate, then you could have like a day 102 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: for each kid, like Tuesday's genevieven, Wednesday's animal and whatever. 103 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: So I'll get to we'll get to your hack in 104 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: a second. But our our practice has just been to 105 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: jumble everything together. And I find that at least, you know, 106 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 1: if our nanny's away, like if it's just me, more 107 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: than two days worth of laundry just makes me want 108 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: to like curl up and die because it's just too 109 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: much to handle. And so we seem to find it 110 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: more manageable when we just get into the routine of 111 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: throwing in a load every day, switching in the dryer 112 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: at some point during the day, and then my husband 113 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: folding it with TV at night. Repeat. Yeah, I would 114 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: say we don't do it daily, but I do like 115 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: the thought of each person individually, because if you look 116 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: at what takes time with laundry, it is often the 117 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: separating it out and putting it away. I mean putting 118 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: something in the machine and starting it and then moving 119 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: it over. Those are both like one to two minute activities. 120 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: It is the taking it out and then putting it 121 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: back where it goes. That is the thing that consumes 122 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: a lot of time. So one of the easiest ways 123 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: to reduce that amount of time is to have only 124 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: one person's stuff in there, because then there is no 125 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: separating and it can just go straight to that person's place, 126 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: and if that person is older than say seven years old, 127 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: that person can put the stuff away, so then it 128 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: is not the responsibility of whoever is doing the laundry. 129 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: And so that is one way to save a ton 130 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: of time right there. I would say, we don't do that, 131 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: but we only combine two peoples because then that's a 132 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: balance between needing to do it every day and having 133 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: seven loads during the week of people's stuff. And it's 134 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: sort of a bonus points if the two people are 135 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: like different genders or sizes, so that it is very 136 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: easy to see whose stuff is who's right, like the 137 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: the pink underwear is probably not the teenage boys, and 138 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: so you know, it can be easily separated with less 139 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: sort of decision making time devoted to it. And is 140 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: there a laundry spreadsheet like Monday? There is not a 141 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: long streader Tuesday. So our nanny does the kid's stuff, 142 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: and she she does like two loads a week, like 143 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: two runs of it a week basically. But the kids 144 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: are responsible then for putting their own stuff away, well, 145 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: not Henry, but the older children can put their own 146 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: stuff away and take it out. So that's in there's 147 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: Michael tends to run our stuff together. We have separate hampers, 148 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: but then he puts it in together, so then it 149 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, we wind up just pulling it out bit 150 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: by bit over a day or two. As we think 151 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: about it, I would say, I'm not sure how much 152 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: laundry needs to be folded. I'm very curious about your 153 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: what what is your husband doing when he's folding? We 154 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: fold everything. I was slightly horrified at your idea that 155 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: laundry didn't need to be folded, very horrified. Wrinkly. Who's 156 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: like a small child's clothes is wrinkly? Like what are 157 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: you buying for them? I don't know. Cotton so like 158 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: children's T shirts and like leggings or shorts don't really 159 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: get wrinkly. I don't know. My kids like to have 160 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: their clothes all condoed, and I find it makes it 161 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: easier to like, I don't know, I guess. Yeah, your 162 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: mileage is definitely going to vary. Are you a team 163 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: Laura or team Sarah on this one? You'll have to 164 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: let us know, yeah, because I don't think I could 165 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: ever get behind not folding my kids really clothes or 166 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: not having them folded. They have a wonderful job. Uh, 167 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: the younger two are not quite They're getting there, actually, 168 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of our family like expectations. So 169 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: I'm assuming by the time they're her age they will 170 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: do their own or maybe they'll choose not to do it. 171 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: But then, yeah, I can say that a lot of 172 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: stuff does not wind up getting folded in our house. 173 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: But sorry, you know, it's not the end of the world. 174 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: What's your what's your sheets and towels policy? Is there? A? Yeah, 175 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: the once a week to two weeks, and I am 176 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: very spoiled and usually either our nanny or our housekeeper 177 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: do that. So like we don't have like our dedicated housekeeper, 178 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: we have someone that helps clean every couple weeks and 179 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: so they often do it that day. Yeah, I would 180 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: say that I realized with the sheet washing thing that again, 181 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: taking them off and putting them in the laundry is 182 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: not challenging. It's the putting them back on that is 183 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: such a pain in the butt. And but that again, 184 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: if you are over about eight years old, you could 185 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: do and you can whine about it a lot, but 186 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: you can still do it. And so it's sort of 187 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: a life skill. To put your clean sheets back on 188 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: your bed. I haven't even mastered the top bunk like skill. 189 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: I struggle, So I mean I can do it, but 190 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: it takes me like thirty minutes to get it up there. 191 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: I totally agree. I totally agree. Yeah, that's one of 192 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: the reasons we probably wind up doing the sheet washing 193 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: less frequently. Then perhaps one should one other. Just two 194 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: our hacks here. If you have a baby, we just 195 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: wash everyone's stuff in the baby detergent. So we just 196 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: buy a huge thing of draft. And actually Henry has 197 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: pretty sensitive skin, various things going on there, so we 198 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: are just washing everyone's stuff in draft, probably for the 199 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: rest of all time. Well, I mean we have a 200 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: big thing of tide too, and so if it's obvious 201 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: his stuff isn't in it, somebody might use the tide, 202 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: but most of the kid's stuff winds up in the draft. 203 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: And just in case you think this is a drift commercial, 204 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: I've actually never used dreft really, they've always just used 205 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: the all free and clear and it's never caused any rashes, 206 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: so that's good. It's been good. Good to not have rashes. 207 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: If you can avoid rashes. We washed everything on cold 208 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: I mean, unless there's been a reason that it needs 209 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: to be sanitized. But if it's not cold, there's obviously 210 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 1: no need to separate the colors because they don't bleed then, 211 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: So I really don't know why we'd ever do anything else. Generally, 212 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: just don't buy clothes that require special washing instructions. I mean, 213 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: that's a big thing. Like children's clothes that would require 214 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: special washing instructions is just like a horrible idea. The 215 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: one exception is adult clothes like women's dress pants that 216 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: can be machine washed but not dried. This is still 217 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: generally better than the dry cleaning that would be needed, 218 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: So I make an exception for that. That that's that 219 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: is an allowable hack. There certainly some things like mm 220 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: will floor pants are our machine way. They're worth it, 221 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: They're worth the effort, worth the effort to avoid going 222 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: to the dry cleaner. Should we take our quick take 223 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: our hat will be back next household area more household hacks. Well, 224 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: we are back talking at household hacks. We are finding 225 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: out the differences in how we approach our philosophies of laundry. 226 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: I have apparently the non folder, Sarah is the folder. 227 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: So let's go to dishes. There may be ways schools 228 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: of thought on dishes and dishwasher loading and emptying. I 229 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: don't know that I really follow all of the details 230 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: on that. Have you timed yourself emptying the dishwasher, Yes, 231 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: it's like eight minutes, five to eight minutes for me, 232 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: five to eight minutes. Yeah, it doesn't take much time. Yeah, 233 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: it is incredibly quick, which is funny because it's one 234 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: of those tasks that in my brain would expand mentally 235 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: because I don't enjoy it. I mean, I'm not sure 236 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: anyone does, but I particularly don't. And so I was like, 237 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's like fifteen minutes, twenty minutes, half an hour. 238 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: I don't know spend my life emptying the dishwasher. And 239 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: eight minutes is like drying stuff off too that like 240 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: didn't get completely dry because sometimes the plastic stuff doesn't really. Yeah, 241 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, at least not in our dishwasher. We 242 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: have a bosh. Yeah, I don't think it has like 243 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: a hot cycle anyway. So yeah, I always find it's like, 244 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: don't procrastinate, just do it. Having an empty dishwasher is 245 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: always worth it. We definitely are of the unlike the laundry, 246 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: I don't care how anything goes in there, like whatever that. 247 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: You know. Some people are like picky about how you 248 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: load your dishwasher, and I'm like, just fit as much 249 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: stuff as you can'tit there, and I'm just great for 250 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: my dishwasher because it is an amazing tool, isn't it. 251 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: It's an amazing tool. Yeah. We try to get in 252 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: a rhythm where we run it at night, so it 253 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: runs sort of overnight because it's like, i mean, modern 254 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: dishwashers take like almost three hours. It's kind of ridiculous. 255 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: I don't you know. I'm sure there's some energy saving 256 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: reason for that, but anyway, so run it at night. 257 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: It's clean in the morning. It can be put away 258 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: in the morning. We do try to sort of stack 259 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: it so that the bigger plates are in the back, 260 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: the littler ones are in the front. I mean, there's 261 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: a there's sort of a method to it. Obviously, you 262 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: have to teach kids like put your bowls upside down. 263 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: Wonder why it suddenly looks like a fish bowl. It's 264 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: right side up, but it definitely is, you know, And 265 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: weekends it goes faster, right because everyone's eating all their 266 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: meals here, So sometimes it gets run in the middle 267 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: of the day then too, and so then the kids 268 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 1: need to empty it. That needs to get into the 269 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: rhythm of that. So I'm curious for your hand wash stuff, though, 270 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: what's your approach? What do you have to wash hand 271 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: wash dishes? I see you use something else, but I 272 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: just use one of those sponges that's like rough on 273 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: one side and smoother on the other side. And whatever 274 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: dish soap was on sale. Yes, okay, So we tend 275 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: to do the brush, the scrub brush and like a 276 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: squirt dishwasher detergent, because it seems to be the easiest 277 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: way to be able to do one dish at a time, 278 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: And if there is only one dish, you would like 279 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: the person who created that one dish to go ahead 280 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: and do it, as opposed to leaving it there in 281 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: case some magical dish fairy comes along and would like 282 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: to do all the dishes at once. The magical dish 283 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: fairy does not want to do all the dishes at once. 284 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: The magical dish fairy would like everyone to do their 285 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: dish once they have done it, and then you know, 286 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: put it away. For instance, once popcorn bowl one, you 287 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: should squirt scru up rents put it away, and by 288 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: the way, we put almost every not everything, but we 289 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: put a lot in a dishwasher. Yeah, like we are 290 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: well that scrubrush can then be dishwashed. Oh amazing, amazing 291 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: every couple of runs. You you stick it in right, 292 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: and then you know it's clean for the next one. 293 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: I assume most other things could be too, I think 294 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: like sponges. Yeah, like even like the parts of your 295 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: food processor can go in the dishwasher. Like we put 296 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: knives into a dishwasher. I'm sure that's not like what 297 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: you would do if you were a chef and had 298 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: very high end knives. But I'm always like, yeah, they've 299 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: lasted many many years and I didn't have to hand 300 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: wash them for many many years. Now we put our 301 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: knives in the dishwasher too. It's funny because I read 302 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: some I was probably in real simple They're like hand 303 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: washing your knives is just it's a small investment of 304 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: time that keeps them, you know, good for whatever. I'm like, actually, 305 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that actually that comes out that you know, 306 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: you work an extra hour or two and buy a 307 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: new set of knives, versus you know, the time extra 308 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: time it would have taken you to handwash them for years. 309 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not sure everyone thinks that. I mean, 310 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: I haven't had to buy knives anyway. Like I have 311 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: decade old knives that are going strong I don't know, 312 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: bones or something and grinding them down. I don't think 313 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: they get that dull that quick. And again, most of 314 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: us are not working at French laundry and need you know, 315 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: the best knives in the world, so something that could 316 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: also be dish washed. I would also say that prevention 317 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: is good here, that there's nothing I don't know. Sometimes 318 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: people get excited in the kitchen and make every single 319 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: pot dirty. Yeah, I mean that is why probably decoupling 320 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: cooking and cleaning up isn't always the best idea. But actually, 321 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: in our house usually it's not decoupled. So it's fine. 322 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: If I'm cooking, I'm highly motivated. It's like me or 323 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: like two pot meals or something. But you know, the 324 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: fewer pots the better because then you you don't have 325 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: to scrub out more than you need to. So that's 326 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: the dishes cleaning up. Sarah, you are in the midst 327 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: of a big decluttering. Oh, we went to town this weekend. 328 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: I mean it was like, I'm so slightly annoyed that, 329 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: like I couldn't muster the energy to do that much 330 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: decluttering until we're moving, because I'm like, well, no, the 331 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: house is so nice, I can enjoy it, and we're 332 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: like moving on three days. So I don't know, I 333 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: don't know what that says. I just feel like it 334 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: is so much easier to pick up and like exist 335 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: in your house when you were not buried in random stuff, 336 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: whether they be the kind of stuff Laura likes to keep, 337 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,479 Speaker 1: like your kid's artwork, or I don't know, I just 338 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: looking around. I can't possibly claim to be a minimalist, 339 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: but like, I guess I want to be one, So 340 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: we're getting there. No, if you ever have to get 341 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: yourself in the mindset to declutter, you can always pretend 342 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna move, and then maybe that would light a 343 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: fire well more more practically, schedule a pickup from Green 344 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: Drop or one of those like that that they then 345 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: give it to the places that run thrift stores, like 346 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, American Red Cross or Purple Heart or whatever. 347 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: But they will, you know, let you schedule online for 348 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: a certain day for a pickup, and so say you 349 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: schedule it like two weeks out for Friday two weeks out, 350 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: and then you're like, hey, now I have to get 351 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: stuff out there because I promise ten boxes. So that's 352 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: one thing that you can force a deadline. I might 353 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: do that. I might put it on like monthly rotation, 354 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: and I could do it in conjunction. I don't know 355 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: if your area has this, but ours has like a 356 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: monthly bulk pickup where you could put true trash items 357 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: that are like an old mattress or something by the 358 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: side of the road and it'll get picked up for free. 359 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: It's once a month. So if I were to make 360 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: that like our decluttering day and also schedule a donation day, 361 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: that day could be like you get rid of your trash, 362 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: you get rid of your donatables all in one day. 363 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: Help others have a decluttered house. Yeah. Yeah, But even 364 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: if you don't have a free bulk pickup, which I 365 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: don't think we do around here, there are a lot 366 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: of junk calling services, so you know, you might just 367 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: avail yourself of this, say like twice a year. You 368 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: are going to pay you know, it's not a huge amount. 369 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it's you obviously pay something to have a 370 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: truck come to your house and have a team of 371 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: guys get your stuff in the truck. But you know, 372 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: it's it's a pretty competitive business. So you know, there's 373 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: probably three or four operators in your area, so you 374 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: can just call and get a quote. But if you've 375 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: got in the habit of scheduling that every year every 376 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: six months, that could be a way to get rid of, 377 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, true trash in your house as well the 378 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: things that are not donatable and again public service announcement. 379 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: When you're donating stuff, it needs to be stuff that 380 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: the nonprofit can sell, not something that you know would 381 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: be the piece of clothing keeping someone from frostbite and nakedness. 382 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: Like that's generally not what's going on. It's that they 383 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: sell it and use the money for their programs. So 384 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: it has to be sellable to people who would pay 385 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: money for it for it to be a donation. Like 386 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: think to yourself, okay, minimal quality for a thrift store, 387 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 1: would it be on the shelf? Yes, yeah, that makes sense. 388 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's something you can do to declutter. You know, 389 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: if you do a you know, family cleanup is always 390 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: a good idea to get everyone involved because it also 391 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: can limit the time like, in order to get everyone 392 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: doing it, you have to designate a time, and then 393 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: it generally needs to be relatively short and contained. And 394 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: so if everyone's focused on, say picking up for twenty minutes, 395 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: you set a timer, it's kind of easier to get 396 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: people to do that versus nagging every you know, five 397 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: hours for like a week, like have you picked up yet? 398 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: Have you picked up yet? And also then it allows 399 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: people to relax as well because they know they're not 400 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: going to be told to clean at some other point 401 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: and you don't have to either, like that's the cleanup time, 402 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: and if it doesn't happen, then then it's fine. You know. 403 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: An obvious time is if you have somebody coming into 404 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: vacuum the next day, that would be a good time 405 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: to pick up stuff before they come. On weekends, they 406 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: take advantage of my highly motivated children when it's about 407 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: to be screen time. So I'm like, okay, if you 408 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: want to start your screen time on time, your toys 409 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: have to be picked up up And all of a sudden, 410 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: it's like you had I don't know, little motor and 411 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: everything's picked up in six minutes, and it's like amazing, 412 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: what a team of three highly motivated children can clean 413 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 1: up in six minutes. Yeah. So one hack we have 414 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: for you know, if people are doing a cleaning service, 415 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: or if you are cleaning on your own this could 416 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: possibly work too, is to split the house but have 417 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: the busiest rooms get the cleaning each time. So our 418 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: cleaning service does, you know, like the first floor and 419 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: the kitchen one week and then the next week do 420 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: the second floor, but also the kitchen because in the 421 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: second floors where the bedrooms and bathrooms all are, and 422 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: that way they don't have to you know, the whole 423 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: house does not need to be cleaned every week to 424 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: that standard, and then it would just be you know, 425 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: time consuming and more expensive because we'd be paying for 426 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: all those hours. But the kitchen probably does need that cleaning. 427 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: So that's some way to get a weekly cleaning service 428 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: of the dirty place without having to you know, take 429 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: the cost and time of cleaning service for the rest 430 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,120 Speaker 1: of it. And obviously if you're doing it on your own, 431 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: you can do the same thing like you know, I 432 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: clean on Fridays for instance, and you know I do 433 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: the kitchen and the you know, common areas on the 434 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: first floor or you know common areas that aren't bedrooms 435 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: on this day and then the next week do bedrooms 436 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: and kitchen or whatever like that. I find that nothing 437 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: gets that bad until after two weeks. Yeah, like you could. 438 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: You could also hire them for every two weeks and 439 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: then do your own like ten minute interval, just like 440 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: empty trash bands like quickly, you know, and it's like 441 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: kind of not I don't know, Well, your again your 442 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: mileagimary variants. Some people may be like, no, my house 443 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: must be cleaned from weekly, but I notice when it's 444 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: more than two weeks. I don't notice when it's like 445 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: ten days versus I would say that day or in 446 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: your standards, it is one of the best household hacks 447 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: around that probably nobody else is noticing quite as much 448 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: of this as you are. I mean, you can wipe 449 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: up any sort of obvious dirt and a you know 450 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: if you see it. But yeah, if anything that's not 451 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: a massive source of hygiene problems can probably go a 452 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: little bit longer, and then you might buy yourself a 453 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: fair amount of time with that one thing for cleaning 454 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: up having bins for random stuff. And I know some 455 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: of the organization people hate this idea. I keep reading 456 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: stuff about like the junk drawer is the enemy of 457 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: humanity or whatever, because then you aren't organizing it, you're 458 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: just putting it there. But I found that if you 459 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: have bins to stash stuff like a room can get 460 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: picked up and look presentable a lot faster. And especially 461 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: if you don't let the bins go forever, like you 462 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: do put them away at some point, then it can 463 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: make the cleaning process far faster. Even for organizing having 464 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: a junk drawer is I call this the paradox of 465 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: the junk draw But if you have one category for other, 466 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: like any sort of categorization product project, if you have 467 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: an other category, you can organize everything else far faster 468 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: because if there's not an obvious category, then it goes 469 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: in other. But the fact that you're allowing for obvious 470 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: categories meaning means it's a quicker process. So I would 471 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: just throw that out there as a way to make 472 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: any sort of organization sorting cleaning go faster is having 473 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: one bin for other slash everything slash a junk drawer, 474 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: however you want to categorize it. Also put a trash 475 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: can in the family car. I was gonna say, don't 476 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: leave that one out. That's so true. I don't do that, 477 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: and I should, and I when I feel like my 478 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: life just feels incredibly chaotic, usually one of the things 479 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: I feel moved to do is to get an empty, 480 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: empty like grocery garbage bag and get all the trash 481 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: out of my car and I feel a million times better. 482 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 1: So I don't know why I don't just keep one 483 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: in there, but yeah, yeah, either way, especially if you 484 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: have kids are using the car, it's just they're going 485 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: to have trash and they're just gonna throw it on 486 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: the ground, So having somewhere for them to put it 487 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: is a great idea. All right, let's go to Errands. Yes, 488 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: we are subscribed and savers, much to my husband's dismay 489 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: because he is not a fan of a certain company Amazon, 490 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: but I am sometimes so I really like subscribe and 491 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: save just because there is a discount. You don't have 492 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: to think about it. We'll never run out of paper 493 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: towels because it's a trigger every month for me to 494 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: see if we need it or not. The only thing 495 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: is we have like ten or twelve subscriptions, but I 496 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: don't need all ten or twelve every month. And if 497 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: you forget to tell them not to send it you're 498 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: in trouble, so they do send you an email, but like, 499 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like they've probably researched when 500 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: do we send this email? So it gets buried under 501 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: everything so they don't two winds up buying ten tubes 502 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: or two. So I put in my planner like around 503 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: the twenty seventh of every because it's usually like a 504 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: certain day you have to respond by twenty fifth, twenty 505 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: seventh whatever, Like put it in there and like remind 506 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: yourself or set an alarm on your phone or whatever 507 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: to be like tell a subscribe and save not to 508 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: send me everything on my list. At least I need 509 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: that reminder. But I do find the overall concept helpful. 510 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: I will say I went to Costco, and I noticed 511 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: that some of their prices are way better, So maybe 512 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: someday I'll switch. Yeah, we get our toilet paper and 513 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: paper towels from Costco, but that is reliant on one 514 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: party not minding going to Costco. And my husband seems 515 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: to like it, so that's fine. He can buy stuff there. 516 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: We order a lot of one off stuff from Amazon 517 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: and similar type places. One of my Friday batch, the 518 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: little things I'll put on my Friday punch list. So 519 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: these are little things that I don't want distracting me 520 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: the rest of the week. Is ordering any household items 521 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: that we might need or also, you know, it's not 522 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: that hard to just do it, especially if you have 523 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: Amazon Prime. The minute you notice something is gone, you 524 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: have your phone, pull up the app, you order it. 525 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you can overthink these things. I'm sure that's 526 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: not the most efficient from a delivery perspective, but we're 527 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: often ordering enough stuff anyway that it tends to come 528 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: two to three times a week the Amazon truck here, 529 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: so it's that is what it is. We also are 530 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: Kid's Karate studio is right by Target. So if we 531 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: do need to get something in the middle of the week, 532 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: be that a grocery item or household item, and it 533 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: has not been procured during a big shop or during 534 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: you know, ordering or whatever, it's pretty easy to go 535 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: there and get it. And that's something that an adult 536 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: can easily do and sometimes maybe even wants to do 537 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: during the class versus I don't know, walking out outside, 538 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: sitting in the car, half watching, half watching the phone, 539 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: whatever it is. So I would say look into kid 540 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: activity times. As you know, a good time to do 541 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: a quick grocery shop. You can get a lot done 542 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: in forty five minutes to an hour, and then you 543 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't need to use other time. So it could be 544 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: definitely better than going on the weekend, if that is 545 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: at all possible. Yeah, I like that. So in terms 546 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: of meal planning and cooking, what are you meal plans? 547 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: So what are you doing? Yeah? We do, we still. 548 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just part of my weekend routine. I 549 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: get my menu planning pad out. I use either most 550 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: of the time, I use Preptish, which are like pre selected, 551 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: you know, they give you a recipe list and an 552 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: ingredient list, or if I'm like wanting to get a 553 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: kid involved, whip out one of our favorite cookbooks. But 554 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: I basically plan at least formuls with leftovers and make 555 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: my grocery list right then and there. I honestly can't 556 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: wrap my head around how a family could function without 557 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: meal planning, although I know some do and they don't 558 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: die they tend that stuff. Well, we just I mean, 559 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: how we sort of do this is have theme nights. 560 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: So Wednesday is it's like a plan? Yeah, I mean, 561 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: so it's a recurring plan it's not a new plan. 562 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: Every week Wednesday is breakfast for dinner. Fridays make your 563 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: own pizza night. I'm currently still doing the Sunbasket kits 564 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: twice a week. We may rethink that I think We've 565 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: gone through a lot of their stuff now and so 566 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: I'm getting a little a little tired of it. But 567 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: comes two nights a week, so that's basically fills the 568 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: week because then we only need to think of Thursday 569 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: during the week, and that's often you know, people might 570 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: be in and out anyways. The kids can just have 571 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: like grilled cheese, or we have fijitas or pasta or 572 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: something like that. And weekends as well, you know, there's 573 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: often some you know, you might be gone somewhere, or 574 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: we often do a steak or other such big protein 575 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: one night and then can use that as leftovers for 576 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: lunches during the week. But we just got a new grill, 577 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: so that's exciting. So it's a gas grill. We always 578 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: had charcoal before, which it's kind of like building a 579 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: fire in a fireplace. It takes a long time, like 580 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: you have to you know, be invested in the process 581 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: to do a charcoal grill. Some people think they taste better, 582 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: which is fine. But the gas grill is like again 583 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: turning on the gas fireplace. It goes very fast and 584 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: then you can just put your meat on it. So 585 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: we may start doing that from more weeknight type things, 586 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 1: whereas the charcoal was weakened only kind of activity and 587 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: not a busy weekend day activity. And then for breakfast 588 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: because the kids, the kids will get to lunches in 589 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: a minute. But I'm curious about your breakfast rotation concept. No, 590 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: we don't actually do it. That's only my fantasy kitchen. 591 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: But I really think. I think this is like I 592 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: have a friend who used to do it and it 593 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: worked really well for her, and she was, okay, here's 594 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: what was good about it. It got her kids to 595 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: eat like a few things. She didn't have to think 596 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: about it. She just offered the one thing and it 597 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: was just like it was just like her routine. So 598 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 1: she had like oatmeal one day, muffins one day, eggs 599 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: one day, yogurt bowl one day whatever. Whatever. Her things were. 600 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: My struggle. And I know you're like, I don't have 601 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: to ask them, but here's what happens every morning with 602 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: my children. They calm downstairs, they're in moods. They never 603 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: wake up happy. They're like fighting over the couch and 604 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, what would you guys like for breakfast? Silence? 605 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: What would you like for breakfast? Silent? We're gonna be late. 606 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: I need to make you breakfast. No response. Okay, fine, 607 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm making you cereial. No, I don't love that. Like 608 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 1: I mean, some kids, that's a slight exaggeration, and some 609 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: kids are better than others. But if I just plunk 610 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: something down on their seat, it can just be completely rejected, 611 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: and then they refuse to eat anything, and then they're 612 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: whining that they're hungry. And it's like, it really is 613 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: better if there's buy in to what I'm serving, but 614 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: I often it's such such a one. Thing I tried 615 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: that I maybe could go back to is having them 616 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: pick the night before, tell me the night before when 617 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: you're in a better mood. In that way, I'll have 618 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 1: it ready for you in the morning. But yeah, I 619 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: obviously haven't figured this out. We keep things very easy, 620 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: but I just wish I could just it's not the 621 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: making of the breakfast, it's getting them to commit to 622 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: the breakfast. So if you have tips for me, let 623 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: me know. Yeah, And anyone can, you know, tell their 624 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: breakfast strategies here, So the good or bad thing, I 625 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: don't know how it is, but like we're not doing 626 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: all three at once ever, like I have all five 627 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: at once. Ever, it's in a long series over multiple hours, 628 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: so it's one kid at a time basically, And so Jasper, 629 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: you know, we just do a waffle and fruit or 630 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: this morning was hard boiled eggs and fruit because we're 631 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: recording this right after Easter, so we have like literally 632 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: fifty hard boiled eggs in the house right now that 633 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: need to get eaten. So, you know, lots of hard 634 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: boiled eggs this morning for breakfast. But I would say 635 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: it's always just two components, so think muff and pressed fruit, 636 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: baffle plus fruit, egg plus fruit, cereal plus fruit, and 637 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: that's that's your choices more or less. If you want 638 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: to get your own thing, you can. Ruth will often 639 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: get her own breakfast and do whatever it is. But 640 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: for the older two boys at least, it's a very 641 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: time constricted thing to give them as most sleep as 642 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: possible and get them out the door for their early 643 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: starting schools. So there's just not really any discussion about it. 644 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: It's food is put in front of them, they eat 645 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: it and go about their day. Hi, I get it. 646 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: I don't know why such a struggle. Maybe it has 647 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: to do with them sort of just rebuilding against that 648 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: time condensed period that we have, because it's kind of 649 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: like they wake up and I'm like, you're on the clock. 650 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: We got to leave in thirty minutes or whatever, and 651 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: it is all three once. But well, if I figured out, 652 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: I'll let you know on a future episode. I had 653 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: some fantasies of doing more like homemade muffins, like we 654 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: would do muffins on the weekend. I mean, there's a 655 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: couple problems here. One is that doing muffins only makes twelve, 656 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: which you get through them that night with seven people 657 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: I have. You know, we don't even have seven people, 658 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: but we have the same Yeah, so the most it 659 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: could ever cover is Monday morning. And you know, for 660 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: I guess four children, it could cover Monday morning. But 661 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: that's it. And so yeah, well we'll see. It's there's 662 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with waffle. If I made muffins, my kids 663 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: would probably actually eat that happily. But I don't usually 664 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: actually do that. Yeah. Yeah, let's talk about lunches though, 665 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: So what's your approach for lunches? Well, lately, okay, so 666 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: our nanny has made the kids lunches for the most part. 667 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: I always have to do Monday's lunch because she's not 668 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: there in time. Sometimes we take the kids to school. 669 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: But lately Annabelle has been super into making lunches thanks 670 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: to that YouTube channel, and I am very happy about it. 671 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: So she often makes all three kids lunches. She actually 672 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: kind of has fun doing it. I bought her. I 673 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: knew they now have two options for which lunch box 674 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 1: they want to use, because she likes to use these 675 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: bent go boxes because that's what the YouTuber was using. 676 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: But you know what worth it if she's gonna be 677 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, you've used YouTube for good here. 678 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: And by the way, I would happily at this stage 679 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: have my kids purchase lunch. But our school does not 680 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: offer lunch for purchase, so that is why we are homemade. 681 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: We do. Actually, they provide pizza on Friday if you 682 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: pay for it, so we've been doing that. So now 683 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: it's four days. Well yeah, and our family, everyone either 684 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,879 Speaker 1: buys lunch or makes their own, except Alex, our seven 685 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: year old, which I've sort of made my piece with this. 686 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: My goal was that everyone would just buy their lunch 687 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: at school eat what they offer. It seems reasonable to me. 688 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: I look at what the menu is, I've seen it 689 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: looks like a normal, reasonably healthy lunch. But he won't 690 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: eat it. So I pack the same thing roughly for 691 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: him every day. It's it's pretty much modular, and so 692 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: it's it's literally a two minute process. I can do 693 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: it in the morning. Well, you know, if I'm drinking 694 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: old coffee, I'm eating it up in the microwave or something. 695 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: It's so I just, you know, I put the ice 696 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: pack in his lunch box. I grab a squeeze apple sauce, 697 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: some raisins or crasins or dried blueberries or whatever the 698 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: fruit is that they we're doing, cheese stick or a 699 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: similar type cheese product, you know, package cheese product, a 700 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,280 Speaker 1: some sort of snack like pretzels, and then a bread product. 701 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: It's been like raisin bread or cinnamon bread or a 702 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: bun or whatever it is. But that he will eat 703 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,280 Speaker 1: all of those things, and so he has a lunch. 704 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: Ruth has me go because I have to pre order 705 00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 1: roots lunch for whatever reason. The middle in high school, 706 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,760 Speaker 1: I don't have to do this, but the elementary school 707 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: you have to put in a pre order for it. 708 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: It's still free. Apparently that's going to be changing. I 709 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: don't know, but it's still free at the moment. But 710 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: she wants to look at the menu and choose which 711 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: days she orders, and then the days she doesn't like it, 712 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: she will make her own lunch, which I actually have 713 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,839 Speaker 1: zero clue what she puts in there. At one point 714 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: we had to learn that you don't put bananas in 715 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,760 Speaker 1: the fridge if you are making your lunch the night before. 716 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,959 Speaker 1: But you know, life skills, learning new things all the time. 717 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 1: I agree, I don't have a lot of it. I 718 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: feel like our kitchen is stocked with relatively healthy things, 719 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: so how bad could it be what Annabel puts together? 720 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: And it seems fun. Yeah, just for family meals. One 721 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: other hack that you know people who have larger families 722 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: might want to do. We assemble everything on the counter, 723 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 1: so I put out like seven plates and have you know, 724 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: cut up fruit on everyone's plate or the veggies on 725 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: everyone's plate, and dished it out and then people grab 726 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: their own plate and grab whatever silverware they feel they 727 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: will need, and whatever drink they feel they will need. 728 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: Obviously not Henry, but everyone else can can do this 729 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: on their own. And the upside of this is that 730 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: you're not getting a whole lot of unused silverware. It's 731 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 1: you know that somebody for whatever reason doesn't use a spoon, 732 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: they use a fork on some item, or they don't 733 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: really need the knife for it, Whereas if you're setting 734 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: the table ahead of time, you wind up with some 735 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: unused utensils, or somebody wasn't really thirsty, and then you 736 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: know they had the drink that they didn't drink, and 737 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's just more stuff. So that's that's something 738 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: that I've found is a time saver. There, no that 739 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,879 Speaker 1: makes sense. We I mean, as I've spoken, we don't 740 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 1: have family dinner every night. Maybe hopefully in the future 741 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: at least I can eat with the kids some more. 742 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: But we do have the kid set the table when 743 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: we do eat together, so at least that's generally they 744 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,240 Speaker 1: do it. I don't do it, and they're trained pretty 745 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 1: well after dinner to bring their plate to the sink. 746 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:03,839 Speaker 1: We don't have that many household tasks other than cleaning 747 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: up their toys, which can be a lot of work 748 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: because they make a giant mess, or Genevie makes a 749 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 1: giant mess, and all three of them are cleaning up. Oh, 750 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: this is very off topic from this topic. But my 751 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 1: latest kid chore that they're really good at doing is 752 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: shredding paper. We pay them two dollars a bag. They 753 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 1: can either get paid individually or they can do it 754 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: together and split the two dollars. Sounds worth it to 755 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: get that done. It's great. It's an excellent service exactly. Yeah, 756 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: where you're supposed to bring your plate up and put it, 757 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, rinse it off, put it in the dishwasher, 758 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: So somebody's always trying to get out of it. I 759 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: don't know. It just strikes it as like why, like 760 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: why would you try? Really busy mom, I have a 761 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: lot of homework, so I can't bring my clean to well. 762 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,439 Speaker 1: It's not even expressed. It's not like, oh I'm too busy, 763 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: I can't do it. It's just like somebody will try 764 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 1: to like get up and walk away. I'm like, do 765 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: you think I don't see it? That's so funny, But 766 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,760 Speaker 1: people have to do that. Help with the dishes, if asked, 767 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,280 Speaker 1: clean up the room, plus common areas taking out trash, 768 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: as a family. This is a Wednesday night activity that 769 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: people can carry stuff because we have a very long 770 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 1: driveway now, so we have to bring those trash cans 771 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: down and bring them back up. So if there's it's 772 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: like a little wall, a little wall built in, everyone 773 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: can can do it. Walk the dog when asked, watch 774 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: your little brother when asked as well. So those are 775 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: all the various tasks that are on the table for us. Awesome. 776 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: And then finally the last thing kids stuff. You put 777 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: shoes in a crate. Well, I don't know, we may 778 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: be changing it because we have a little mini mudroom 779 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: closet situation in our new house, but we had an 780 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: interesting setup we in our regular closet. You opened the 781 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: door and we had like shoved one of those ikea 782 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: you know, I love those little cube things. So we 783 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: have a cube for each kid's shoes, although really the 784 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: two bottom cubes are like all the kid's shoes and 785 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 1: the top cubes are like all of Josh and my shoes, 786 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 1: and one of the ones on the top is Genevieve. 787 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: So we were not like fastidious and like keep them 788 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 1: all separate or anything, but it's worked pretty well to 789 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: corral everything and my other kind of like mudroom slash 790 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: closet hack is to not let the backpacks fester for 791 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,840 Speaker 1: weeks because the stuff I find in there, it's like 792 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: an old towel, an old piece of lunch, like it 793 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 1: just gets so disgusting. I don't know that I get 794 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: to them weekly, but I think a lot of times 795 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: I do, at least Genevieve's because I have to take 796 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: out her like we have to wash their rug for school. 797 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,000 Speaker 1: Don't even ask, but yeah, Annabel's and Camera doesn't use 798 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,399 Speaker 1: a backpack, so that helps. Yeah. I don't know how 799 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: he gets away with that, but he sounds like a 800 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,879 Speaker 1: great idea. Yeah, once a week to run through them 801 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: or have the kids run through them would be a 802 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: great thing to do. All right, Well, let's give to 803 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 1: the question section here. So this is from longtime lurker, 804 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 1: first time email or this person calls herself. She says, 805 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 1: I'm considering moving from primarily daycare to more of a 806 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 1: dual situation. So I guess maybe you know, preschool plus 807 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: part time nanny or something. I know you've spoken before 808 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: about your screening process, but I don't know that i've 809 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: heard you talk about the actual I intervirite you questions 810 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: you have used? Do you ask for references? I feel 811 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: like the interview questions are softballs. I mean, how do 812 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 1: you really get a feel for the person who's going 813 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: to spend so much time with your kids? My disclaimer 814 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 1: is it, Laura, You'll be much better at answering this 815 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: because we've had the same nanny for almost nine years now, 816 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,320 Speaker 1: so I haven't done this very often, and I'm grateful 817 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: for that because it's it's it is stressful. But I 818 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: think the references are far and away the most important thing. 819 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: That is how we knew that we really wanted our 820 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 1: nanny to work for us speaking to the people she 821 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,240 Speaker 1: had worked with before finding out, like their candid thoughts 822 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,919 Speaker 1: about what they thought about things, you know, what was good, 823 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,840 Speaker 1: if there was anything they would change. I remember like 824 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: the tone of the says it all like they were 825 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: just like, oh, don't let this one go, Like she's 826 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: so great. We wish we could have kept having her. 827 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,080 Speaker 1: And yes, finding out like why did it end? Did 828 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: the kids just age out of it? Or was it 829 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,720 Speaker 1: a you know, our I think ours They said something 830 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: like we our financial situation changed and we just couldn't 831 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: afford it anymore. So I believed it, and you know 832 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: that meant okay, it was nothing that our nanny did, 833 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: and so yeah, obviously those references were true. I think 834 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 1: I spoke to two actually, and they were very consistent, 835 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: and that was really really helpful in terms of questions. 836 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: I think I remember asking like how, like walk me 837 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: through how you would spend a day. But remember I 838 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,040 Speaker 1: was interviewing for nanny for like a sixteen month old 839 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 1: and an unborn child, so the questions I would probably 840 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,840 Speaker 1: ask today would be very different. And I think we 841 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: did ask for some kind of proof of like driving record, 842 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,319 Speaker 1: because we knew that she would be driving our kids around. 843 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,439 Speaker 1: We want to make sure like she was a safe driver. 844 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: Yeah she was. I think definitely the references are most 845 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: important because you can tell if you're calling multiple references 846 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: and they're like this person's awesome, like you know, most 847 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 1: likely you're going to be similar. You know, tell me 848 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,320 Speaker 1: how you'd structure So for questions for the person themselves, 849 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: I mean, like you said, tell me how you structure 850 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 1: a day with them. You could give them a scenario, 851 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: see how they answer, ask them about their past childcare experiences, 852 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: like talk about that job, you know, what did you 853 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: like about that job, like what worked really well there? 854 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 1: You know, what do you think you know have been different? 855 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: You can ask if they've dealt with an emergency situation 856 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: how it went. You could give an example of a 857 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 1: scenario that you have dealt with recently and asked for 858 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, their advice and how they would have handled it. 859 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,400 Speaker 1: You know, so that I think all of those are 860 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: good way because you're just trying to get a sense 861 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: from of what kind of person you know they are 862 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: they thinking about problems solving? Do they seem creative, do 863 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: they seem positive? Those are all the kind of things 864 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 1: that you are looking to figure out. And yeah, I 865 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: would I would say it's like you want to have 866 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: a good rapport with the person, think that they are 867 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: smart and patient and optimistic and trustworthy and all that. 868 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: But then the references are the ones who are going 869 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,799 Speaker 1: to tell you exactly what it's going to be like 870 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,239 Speaker 1: as an employer employee sort of relationship. And that's what 871 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 1: you know, you really want to get clear on because 872 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: you know what your deal breakers are, right Like, if 873 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 1: I mean hopefully you do, may you may not. That's 874 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 1: the other problem is you do gain experience with this 875 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,759 Speaker 1: over time, and so maybe the first person you don't 876 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,560 Speaker 1: actually know that it would drive you crazy if they 877 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,840 Speaker 1: did X, Y or Z because you haven't done this before. 878 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: But after the first person, you do know it will 879 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 1: drive you crazy if they do X, Y and Z, 880 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,799 Speaker 1: and hopefully you can have a good you know, if 881 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: the person is otherwise great, you could have a discussion 882 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,359 Speaker 1: about this and solve that problem together. But then you know, 883 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: going into the next hiring process that maybe that's something 884 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: that you wouldn't you know, want to compromise on. All right, 885 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 1: Sarah Love of the Week. I mean, I guess we've 886 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: been doing a lot of sort of our household hacks 887 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 1: are all loves of the week. I will have to 888 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,560 Speaker 1: give a shout out to the family Fudge on YouTube 889 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,560 Speaker 1: because Annabel found them. But they're very entertaining. They have 890 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: a lot of great household hacks if you're interested in that. 891 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: They have four delightful children, and I have to say, 892 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: good job Annabel. She just founded that. Yeah, I'm very 893 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: curious how she found that. We got to work on 894 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,799 Speaker 1: our search process on YouTube because I feel like we 895 00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: wind up in you know, worst places. Although YouTube Kids 896 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: is pretty good, but I like some of their drawing. 897 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,120 Speaker 1: The drawing videos, like you said, the magic whatever it is, 898 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, but they color in and you can 899 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: see the things taking shape. It's always fun the Internet. 900 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,360 Speaker 1: It's a wonderful and amazing place. Anyway, we've been talking 901 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: all things household hacks this week. We will be back 902 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: next week with more on making work and life fit together. 903 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 904 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 905 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 906 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: This has been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please 907 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and 908 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 1: life work together.