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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast, Can spreck and see dote.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal, and I just asked, what does Dan

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Speaker 1: say at the beginning of the show? Every time? Alongside

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Speaker 1: one hero here in the Chris Westling podcast studio, it's

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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler. It's me and you, buddy. I don't think

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Speaker 1: that we've done you know what, fourteen we need to

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Speaker 1: fourteen hundred plus um thousand episodes or hundred episodes, whatever

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Speaker 1: the word is the number. But we had the combination

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Speaker 1: of you and I doing a show together. I don't

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Speaker 1: think has occurred now. I don't think so alone. It

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Speaker 1: makes me feel a little more alive. That's good, just

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Speaker 1: like anything that changes up routine, that's good. It also

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Speaker 1: shows like our lack of chops, our lack of professionalism that,

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Speaker 1: like I was like, what just me and Mark doing

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Speaker 1: a podcast? What to uh, two white guys doing a

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Speaker 1: podcast that's typically it's never been done before. We need

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Speaker 1: way more help than that. That. It does speak up

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Speaker 1: poorly of us on that front. How was your mother's day? Though,

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Speaker 1: not that you're a mother, but like I thought i'd

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Speaker 1: ask you because I would imagine it was nice. It was.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty uneventful. I Emma could put my mind

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Speaker 1: at ease when I kind of talked about Mother's Day

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Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm not your mother, like you don't

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Speaker 1: need to get and I was like, that's kind of true,

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Speaker 1: like you know, it's more that the kids did a

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Speaker 1: lot of nice stuff and yeah, we ate some good food.

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Speaker 1: She didn't you know it was nice. Yeah. I had

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Speaker 1: to whip our children into shape on some fronts that

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Speaker 1: they didn't quite get the aspect that it was a

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Speaker 1: day where they aren't served but are serving someone else.

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Speaker 1: That's not always uh, a front burner scenario in our

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Speaker 1: home for them to comprehend. So but we had a

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Speaker 1: nice time and then we um We gave them an

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Speaker 1: Xbox that we had been kept hidden for years because

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Speaker 1: we thought it would turn into something negative. But it

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Speaker 1: was pleasant. We played Madden. At the end of the night,

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Speaker 1: I played um simone and Madden and we played Niners

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Speaker 1: talking a big game like I was like talking about

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Speaker 1: how balanced my all. I mean, I just got got totally.

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Speaker 1: She threaded the needle on me like she was she

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Speaker 1: very creative and how she used Deebo Samuel or absolutely

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Speaker 1: Jimbo Samuel had. I had like an eighties six yard

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Speaker 1: catch on the drive number two, and I never really

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Speaker 1: came back. But also, you know, we have two Jimmy G's.

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Speaker 1: My Jimmy G through three picks. Hers was relatively flawless,

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Speaker 1: true to life the week to week experience. Yours was

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Speaker 1: the Jimmy G that showed up in the playoffs. Hers

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Speaker 1: was like, yes, two thousand seventeen Jimmy G. That's how

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Speaker 1: you keep romance alive. Now we have younger people behind

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Speaker 1: the desk. Now that I'm sitting actually in Dan's chair,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at Justin Graver and Christie and Randy the

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Speaker 1: Uh like in their and their relative youth bothers me.

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Speaker 1: But I had my fifteen wedding anniversary last weekend. Dan

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Speaker 1: undisclosed location we should have mentioned, uh, celebrating his wedding anniversary. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And uh, that's one way to keep romance alive. So

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Speaker 1: glass is play a lot of Madden together. Well, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, different situations, different needs. That's why

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Speaker 1: I didn't really have to celebrate Mother's Day. It's like

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Speaker 1: before Mother's They really, what are you gonna do? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the kids, the kids, they cooked her some stuff in

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Speaker 1: the morning. But in the end, do you really want

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Speaker 1: limited amount of that, please, I G it's not that great.

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Speaker 1: There's actually a lot of talk, a lot to talk

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Speaker 1: about today. Surprisingly, Uh, Tom Brady's back in the news.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that quickly. Decent amount of news. And

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Speaker 1: I'm even more excited about our friend Connor Or who's

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Speaker 1: gonna be joining us later on this show. You once

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Speaker 1: hosted a podcast that wasn't really a podcast because it

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Speaker 1: was on another strange service. What was that? The podcast

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Speaker 1: It was also getting monster numbers, so I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: gravery you you I know you're new to this, but

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Speaker 1: is go back and listen to all the Heat and

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Speaker 1: Light episodes. They're great. It's Connor and Mark talking about conspiracies,

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Speaker 1: talking talking about dark forces that are in the universe,

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Speaker 1: and uh, it's a delightful program. And we're going to

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Speaker 1: bring back the spirit of Heat and Light on this

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Speaker 1: episode by talking about some maybe mysterious dark conspiratory conspiratorial

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Speaker 1: elements maybe of the grave. Talker. Just nod your head, because, um,

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Speaker 1: while it sounds like that would be a lot of work,

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Speaker 1: So just say yes, it sounds like a great idea

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Speaker 1: for a spinoff pod that Mark Sessler would host, right, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's what it was essentially literally, that's literally what it was.

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Speaker 1: I think I had just started the Jessell Nick and

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Speaker 1: the fray he was feeling. Again, this is a re

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Speaker 1: does Courts of Thunder fit into all of this? That

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Speaker 1: that's just another new one. That's just again trying to

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Speaker 1: stay alive, um, embracing your passions in life as you

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Speaker 1: as you get into your forties. I'm also passionate about news.

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Speaker 1: Let's do some news. So Graver just needs to be

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Speaker 1: told that there's gonna be news. Um, you know, like yeah,

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Speaker 1: Dan Spoon feeds you, right and at this point like

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Speaker 1: we'll have added uh the news in post. Actually maybe

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Speaker 1: At this point, he would probably realize that we do

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Speaker 1: news every episode. He just have an appropriate sound drop

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Speaker 1: next episode. This is right when we when we have

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Speaker 1: our like Goodbye to Graver video with lots of tears.

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Speaker 1: few weeks he doesn't, please, please put it away. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk Tom Brady. Uh, he's joining Fox Sports? What he's

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Speaker 1: making three hundred and seven five million dollars over ten years?

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Speaker 1: What like he's gonna be an ambassador for Fox. This

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Speaker 1: Lachlan Murdoch. What like? What is happening here? This doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem like a real story. It is a real story.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be the lead analyst. We don't know who's

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Speaker 1: whenever Tom Brady retires, he's gonna become the lead analyst.

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Speaker 1: The contracts already done. What is going on here? Mark?

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Speaker 1: I mean to put it into context. Joe Buck and

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Speaker 1: three point five million together. It's to be fair. It

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Speaker 1: seems fair a lot of money. Yeah, they just made

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Speaker 1: Tony Romo in there. This deal is insane. Here's the thing, like,

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Speaker 1: Like my stance, and I think it's a fair one

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Speaker 1: There's not a lot of evidence for that. Number one,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's making double what everyone else is making.

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Speaker 1: He's making more in retirement then he is as a player.

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Speaker 1: He's making more than he ever made for the Patriots

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's not like passion that it about doing that,

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Speaker 1: But I'd like to think, as a Patriots fan of

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Speaker 1: The reason it didn't work is because he they wanted

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Speaker 1: to renegotiate a contract, and he's like, why would I

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Speaker 1: do that? Why would I help any new team out.

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Speaker 1: I want to just be a free agent and pick

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Speaker 1: my next location. Uh. The Eagles have been mentioned as

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Speaker 1: a potential landing spot. I love that they could really

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Speaker 1: use another cornerback. Uh. And and they're trying to win

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Speaker 1: right now, why not do that? Uh. The Raiders have

435
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Speaker 1: been mentioned as a potential landing spot. Patrick Graham, who

436
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Speaker 1: coached him, and that makes a lot of sense to

437
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Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl season. UH could go after them. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of teams that need cornerbacks. Like, you don't

439
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Speaker 1: need to overthink this. He's twenty eight years old turning

440
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Speaker 1: twenty nine. He was a Pro bowler in twenty I

441
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Speaker 1: know he didn't have like a great news flash. That's

442
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Speaker 1: like every cornerback except for eight or nine of them.

443
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Speaker 1: They go up, they go down. If you go from

444
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Speaker 1: your highs being a top ten cornerback to your lows

445
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Speaker 1: being an average starter. Those guys make ten million dollars

446
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Speaker 1: a year. Like, he's a pretty great player to be availab. Yeah,

447
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Speaker 1: and also defense is your environment. But Patrick Graham, I

448
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Speaker 1: I in in Vegas. I could that would be a

449
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Speaker 1: juicy fit for James. The secondary stinks too, and they

450
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Speaker 1: need them. They could absolutely use them uh a couple

451
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Speaker 1: other free agent signings, and mentioned Jerry Hughes, he was

452
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Speaker 1: in my top thirty going to the Texans. Like that.

453
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Speaker 1: The Texans are starting to get a little more active.

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Speaker 1: I feel like if they actually added some decent players

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Speaker 1: in the next month, they could be somewhat competitive. I

456
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Speaker 1: don't think they're the worst roster and anymore in the

457
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Speaker 1: entire NFL. Sony Michelle goes to the Dolphins. A couple

458
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Speaker 1: of signings we missed a week ago just because of

459
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Speaker 1: when we taped. Was Bryce Callahan the former Baron Bronco

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Speaker 1: and Kyle Van Noy to the Chargers. Any of those moves,

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Speaker 1: Michelle Hughes the Chargers moves do anything. I think the

462
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Speaker 1: Dolphins are gonna be a fun watch, But I do

463
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Speaker 1: think you could probably sense the skulls of fantasy heads

464
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Speaker 1: exploding all over the planet because Sony Michelle has added

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Speaker 1: to a backfield that also had Chase Edmonds, Raheem Monster,

466
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Speaker 1: and Miles Gaskins. So it's like they had guys probably

467
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Speaker 1: isn't making the team, I would think. I would think

468
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Speaker 1: maybe Miles Gaskin because the other they all the other

469
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Speaker 1: three were all brought in by the new coaching stuff.

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Speaker 1: But that's a good point, Michelle. UM. Maybe not a

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Speaker 1: lock just because he doesn't help much on passing downs

472
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Speaker 1: and UH or special teams, but he's a solid contributor.

473
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Speaker 1: He definitely helped the Rams on their way to winning

474
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Jerry Hughes can still play like it's

475
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Speaker 1: very rare and UH, I think this is gonna benefit

476
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Speaker 1: the teams that have some cap space left. Your Browns

477
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Speaker 1: are certainly one of them. UH to really use that

478
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Speaker 1: money well in the next month. Here's some players still available.

479
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Speaker 1: Odell Beckham, Dwayne Brown, Jedevan Clowney, Melvin Ingram, Rob Gronkowski, UH,

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Speaker 1: Kim Hicks, Trey Flowers, j C. Treader, Will Fuller, Eric Fisher,

481
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Speaker 1: Julio Jones, Anthony Barr, Justin Houston, and Dominican Sue Sheldon Richardson,

482
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Speaker 1: Kevin King. I just went through, were like most of

483
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Speaker 1: the guys left on my one on one. All those

484
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Speaker 1: guys can play football, Like, all those guys can play

485
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Speaker 1: plus snaps in the NFL, and they're gonna be better

486
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Speaker 1: for the most part. Then your second or third round

487
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Speaker 1: pick that you just spent two months talking about on

488
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Speaker 1: podcasts or breaking down how they're gonna fit in, Like

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Speaker 1: most of those guys are going to be better than

490
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Speaker 1: your second and third round picks and they're out there now,

491
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Speaker 1: and that's it hasn't been like that, And I really

492
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Speaker 1: think it's something I've been focused on in terms of

493
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Speaker 1: team building that teams need to spend more to the cap.

494
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Speaker 1: They need to spend as much money as they can,

495
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Speaker 1: like if not, like there's no downside, like you're not

496
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Speaker 1: doing what you can to win. So I think this

497
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Speaker 1: next month is my overall point, like teams can really

498
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Speaker 1: improve themselves and it's gonna make a difference when it

499
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Speaker 1: comes to September. It does seem like scenery wise there

500
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Speaker 1: this time around, there was a big let's do the

501
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Speaker 1: draft part and see what's what holes still remain. But

502
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Speaker 1: this line of players you just mentioned, these are the

503
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Speaker 1: gray beards right now, and they're probably like spending too

504
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Speaker 1: Verse seven and two right now, Like they're fine. I mean,

505
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Speaker 1: what maybe they're they're hanging in there. If they're in

506
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Speaker 1: a bad they're better than they've ever been. And I

507
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Speaker 1: think they everyone thought they were going to get these

508
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Speaker 1: big contracts and free agency this year because the cap

509
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Speaker 1: was going way up after a couple of years of

510
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Speaker 1: down there, and these guys at least weren't happy they

511
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Speaker 1: didn't get them. You know, they didn't get those deals,

512
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Speaker 1: but doesn't mean they can't get three or four million dollars.

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Speaker 1: One of those guys, by the way, is Jarvis Landry.

514
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Speaker 1: It's been reported that the Ravens are interested in him,

515
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Speaker 1: and that feels like a good fit. Yeah, no, it's

516
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Speaker 1: also you know, Cleveland was on the map and Mary

517
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Speaker 1: kay Habits said that the door seems closed at this point,

518
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Speaker 1: so the Ravens would be a good fit. Ravens also

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Speaker 1: added Mike Davis to their backfield, who I think I

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Speaker 1: like more than other people. I just kind of trust

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Speaker 1: the Ravens to do well by running backs as well. Right,

522
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Speaker 1: they ran out of running backs last year and it

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Speaker 1: actually affected them. If everyone's healthy, Mike Davis probably isn't

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Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of run, but he's he had

525
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Speaker 1: a bad year in Atlanta. Was higher on that signing

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Speaker 1: than it certainly turned out didn't really work. But you're right,

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Speaker 1: you have J. K. Dobbins, Gus Edwards, and now if

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Speaker 1: there's injuries there, you have a nice backup. If Landry

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Speaker 1: goes to Baltimore. I don't. I don't hate their receiver group.

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Speaker 1: Everyone is panicking about the receiver group if your offensive

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Speaker 1: where do? I love it? Though? But yeah, but like

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Speaker 1: you can't be perfect at every position, and they're obviously

533
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Speaker 1: a team that can live without great receivers. And I

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Speaker 1: would look at it this way. Andrews is your number one,

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Speaker 1: Bateman's your number two. I think he'll be fine. Landry

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Speaker 1: is your number three, two and three with Bateman and

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Speaker 1: Duvernet who I who I like a lot. And I

538
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Speaker 1: have a feeling the Ravens like Devin Duverney more than

539
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Speaker 1: most people do. Is your four. And it's like, that's

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Speaker 1: fine if that's like your worst position or one of

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Speaker 1: your worst positions. You find Justin's very excited about Devin

542
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Speaker 1: Duvernet hook on baby. Devin Duverney was the Texas long

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Speaker 1: ORNs best receiver when he was there, and then he

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Speaker 1: kind of just disappeared into a gadget player when he

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Speaker 1: got to the league. I just realized one of the

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Speaker 1: reasons they traded Brown. I bet is some faith in Duverney,

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Speaker 1: because to me, they're very similar players, Duvernet and Marks Brown.

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Speaker 1: I bet you could replace sevent of Markis Brown with

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Speaker 1: Devin Dory. Yeah, it's also it is notable to me

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Speaker 1: that they are so called number one wide out wanted

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Speaker 1: out of a team that has Super Bowl aspirations. Like

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Speaker 1: it's there is something about the system for free agents.

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Speaker 1: It's like, no, that's not I like, I like the

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Speaker 1: idea of Lamar Jackson and the Ravens in general, probably

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Speaker 1: from a player at the angle, but like as a

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Speaker 1: wide out, you're gonna go there and you're gonna see

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Speaker 1: your numbers drop. Right, Marky's Brown supposedly asked for a

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Speaker 1: trade after a second year when they you know, when

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Speaker 1: they were like he was mouthing off all the time,

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Speaker 1: like how upset he was. So it's like it's not

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Speaker 1: a great fit for some some of these wilds. Like,

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Speaker 1: but here's the reality. You're right. It probably hurts your

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Speaker 1: your earning potential a little bit. But it's kind of

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Speaker 1: like if you were let's say, Justin Jefferson, like we

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Speaker 1: would know you were Justin Jefferson, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like if Markus Brown was as good as some of

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Speaker 1: the first round in second round receivers like a J.

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Speaker 1: Brown and stuff, like, we wouldn't know. It's Justin Jefferson

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Speaker 1: is like truly special. But I think for for the

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Speaker 1: kind of guys they have on the roster right now,

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Speaker 1: it's just a little it's it's one team that stands out.

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Speaker 1: It's a bit of an unrewarded landing spot for that position.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's it's like he said in

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Speaker 1: the Social Network, like if you invented Facebook, you would

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Speaker 1: have invented Facebook. Marky's Brown in this situation is the

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Speaker 1: vincl voss. I wish I had done that, but I

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Speaker 1: wish I did too. Um time for News and Notes

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Speaker 1: Another weird item, uh in the news the schedule release

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Speaker 1: has been just like sprinkling out little crumbs all week. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we're big with the release, guys, Mark So's Dan. The

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Speaker 1: three of us are part of the schedule release Bonanza

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Speaker 1: on NFL Network. I believe this is the first ever

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Speaker 1: NFL Network program in which Rich Eisen and Michael Irvine

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Speaker 1: are on the show and we are also on the show.

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Speaker 1: Pinch yourself. I am pinching myself. They were I think

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Speaker 1: they were so enamored that they asked to use about

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Speaker 1: two minutes and fifty four seconds of our commentary. That's

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Speaker 1: absolutely fine. Um, I know you know we've talked with

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Speaker 1: rich he's been on our show. We saw him a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago at the draft. I'm not certain

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Speaker 1: anyone else on that show knows who we are, so

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Speaker 1: will be more they're they're surprised than anyone else. It

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Speaker 1: does make me feel uncomfortable to think that they'll be

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Speaker 1: sitting with their ear pieces in and during one of

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Speaker 1: their breaks, maybe they'll go get food. Actually that would

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Speaker 1: be good. They take a little break, get some coffee

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Speaker 1: or whatever during the break that they'll be listening to

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Speaker 1: us like Hamana hammna about the International Series games, which

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Speaker 1: we taped last week, but we learned more news this week,

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Speaker 1: which is that there's gonna be a week two doubleheader

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Speaker 1: Monday Night football where at seven fifteen you get Bills

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Speaker 1: Titans on ESPN, and then eight thirty this is different

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Speaker 1: on ABC you get Eagles Vikings, So it both games

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Speaker 1: will be playing at the same time at at one point,

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Speaker 1: which is strange to me and yet kind of kind

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Speaker 1: of fun. What do you feel about that? I have

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Speaker 1: I have mixed feelings because I think that the concept

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Speaker 1: of doubleheaders, um, I love it, like it's kind of great,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, definitely like primetime games the way that

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Speaker 1: we do our job much more than like when you're

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Speaker 1: watching three games at the same time on a Sunday,

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Speaker 1: which sometimes from my brain, it just does not stop

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Speaker 1: doing it. You like to have famously windows. I'll take

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Speaker 1: little notes about things I see, and it does. It's

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Speaker 1: health to it. Like I know less than the average

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Speaker 1: fan leaving on Sundays because I just watched like the

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Speaker 1: four games I'm gonna watch, and I just kind of

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Speaker 1: ignore the rest because it's too hard to know everything

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Speaker 1: we have. We have different processes, I guess on that front.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's interesting from like an A. J.

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Speaker 1: Brown perspective that we get his new team and the

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Speaker 1: team that moved on from him. I have no idea

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Speaker 1: where we'll be with Malik Willis by the time we

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Speaker 1: get to week two. Everyone's like, oh, you probably won't

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Speaker 1: start till week fourteen. It's like this stuff sometimes hate

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Speaker 1: and so quickly right crazy's definitely not starting. I'm not

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Speaker 1: seeing it starting a week two, but that could be

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Speaker 1: where if they got wallet by the Bills. That you

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Speaker 1: get that reaction to the Titans fan base will probably

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Speaker 1: be calling for it way before. But I don't like

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Speaker 1: how they did the Titans Bills game. Here. What do

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Speaker 1: what do you think? I agree, it's like, first of all,

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Speaker 1: it's a bigger game in my opinion, it's two teams

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Speaker 1: that compete for the top of the a f C

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Speaker 1: versus two teams that are going to be trying to

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs. I feel like in Minnesota and Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: you might be overrating your Titans. But okay, coming off

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Speaker 1: the ones like I would, I would actually take the

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Speaker 1: Eagles over under over the Titans. Right now, we don't

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Speaker 1: know what the Titans are entirely without power ranking those

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Speaker 1: four teams, I'm going one by a mile, Bills, two

644
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: Eagles pretty close behind Titans. And then yes, the Titans

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Speaker 1: consistently doubted That's okay. They like to be the underdogs.

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Speaker 1: But it's kind of a shot because you said it,

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Speaker 1: that was one of the best games of the year

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Speaker 1: last year, Titans Bills. I we had to make a

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Speaker 1: list of our ten asked games of the year, and

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Speaker 1: I threw that one in there, even though everyone had

651
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Speaker 1: forgotten about it by then, like amazing, comeback. It was

652
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Speaker 1: Monday and I football. I had a little bit of everything.

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Speaker 1: Uh and yeah, and they're kind of treating them because look,

654
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: it's on cable, it's on ESPN, they're the network. Game

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Speaker 1: are the bigger markets, which I guess is Philadelphia. But

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Speaker 1: it's like, does that really matter at this point? Don't

657
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: more people want to watch Josh Allen at this point

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Speaker 1: than anyone in Philadelphia, Minnesota and Derrick Henry for that matter.

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Speaker 1: In today's world, everyone's gonna have access to both games

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Speaker 1: and watch whatever they please, So it's not that big

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Speaker 1: of a concern. No, I like, I don't mind two

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Speaker 1: games at once is fine. You can have both both

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Speaker 1: of them and will probably have like a special around

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Speaker 1: the NFL podcast show that night. So it's I'm sure

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Speaker 1: we will. It's extra work for you, which I again,

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Speaker 1: I like this lineup. I'm excited now and it gets

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Speaker 1: closer to the idea that I had. I think I

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00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: presented it in about on this show of two games

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Speaker 1: a day every day for the whole NFL season, that's

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Speaker 1: total chaos. You'd have to I have to do the

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Speaker 1: Matt like. Also, you need to get a team that

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Speaker 1: played every Tuesday, Like you can't be a team that

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Speaker 1: played Tuesday. Then you're don't care. Well, that's that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: You don't care about that. Some people do care, like

675
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Speaker 1: it would totally change how how football is experience. That

676
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: was an idea I had that when I only had

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Speaker 1: one kid, my daughter Ellis, and she was still young.

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Speaker 1: Now that I'm older, I don't now I want those

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Speaker 1: days just like you living alone in an apartment kind

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Speaker 1: of scenario, like the two games a day, like I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't get sick of it. I think I think it

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Speaker 1: would be absolutely fine. The other game that was announced

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Speaker 1: was Rams Broncos on Christmas Day. Uh, this is gonna

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Speaker 1: be a wild Christmas weekend. Will have a full slate

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Speaker 1: of games on Christmas Eve, which will be a Saturday,

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Speaker 1: and then we have three games on Christmas. Uh, so

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Speaker 1: say goodbye to your family, Daddy's not coming home Rams Broncos.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I might have to see if I can go

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Speaker 1: to that game. Well, that's the thing. I could see

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Speaker 1: a son, how you know, at the game because it's

691
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: right here at our workplace. So that feels like maybe

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00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: I mean the NFL um you know, I appreciate what

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Speaker 1: they're doing here, which is a total takeover a planet Earth, uh,

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Speaker 1: and certainly wiping out nuking every other sport on the landscape.

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Speaker 1: Because this used to be the gentleman's respect between the NFL,

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Speaker 1: which was dot little Christmas games here and there, the

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Speaker 1: NBA's day. Who cares about that at this point Christmas Day,

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Speaker 1: NBA regular season action. I'm not saying that fans, it's

699
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Speaker 1: still the NFL is saying they don't care about anything

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Speaker 1: else in the They used to the ratings for the

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Speaker 1: NFL network game that they had on Christmas, which was

702
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: what or I don't know was that a network game?

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Speaker 1: It was brown it was Brown's Packers. Last year was

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Speaker 1: the it's the most watch but it was the most

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Speaker 1: watched game of the year. That's the thing. Thanksgiving and

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Speaker 1: Christmas Day games are the most watch games of the year. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: is not a huge surprise to me that they're doing this.

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Speaker 1: But three is a lot all so it just happens

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Speaker 1: to be the year that Christmas falls on a Sunday.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they'll go three every year, but ma'am,

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00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: that's a lot. I think to avoid that overtaking my

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00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: day yeah, I think I'm gonna maybe I'll surprise him,

713
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Speaker 1: but I think I'm gonna ask Emica what she thinks

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Speaker 1: about going to the game. That's kind of fun. That's

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00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: only gonna happen one time. I mean, we're Jewish, we

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Speaker 1: do the Christmas thing, though we don't do hanaka. We

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Speaker 1: just do gifts on you know, we don't. There's just

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Speaker 1: no religious respect to your approach. It's an unusual one.

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Speaker 1: It's I mean, you gotta do something. That's how I

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Speaker 1: grew up. That's it for schedule released talk today. We

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Speaker 1: all have more on Thursday. That was news and Notes

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Speaker 1: presented by upwork, the world's work marketplace. Learn more at

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Speaker 1: upwork dot com. UH. Finally, in the news, UH an

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Speaker 1: unfortunate story UM in Las Vegas this week where the

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Speaker 1: Raiders team president, or as UH as Mark Davis, their owner,

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Speaker 1: will point out, well, it was only the interim team president.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't actually the team president. He was a team

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Speaker 1: president only for eight months. UH. Who cares? He was

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Speaker 1: there for eighteen years. He knows what's going on. Their

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Speaker 1: team president for a little less than a year. UH

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Speaker 1: is accusing Mark Davis in a statement of firing him

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Speaker 1: in retaliation for bringing concerns by multiple Raiders employees about

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Speaker 1: a hostile workplace UH and the hostile conditions specifically towards

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Speaker 1: women UH. And he believes that he was fired in

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Speaker 1: retaliation for that. It's really serious. It comes on the

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Speaker 1: heels of a few other mysterious UH Raiders executives that

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00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: were cleaned out last year. There's been a lot of them. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's just a lot of stuff that we don't know

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00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 1: what's going on in in those There's been some reporting

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00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: that there was financial um misdeeds being done by those employees.

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Speaker 1: This to me is a lot more serious because the

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Speaker 1: NFL UH is now getting involved. They say they recently

743
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Speaker 1: became aware of the allegations and they are looking into

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00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: it at another team and another ownership group to the

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Speaker 1: list that the NFL is investigating right now. I mean,

746
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Speaker 1: this has been a pretty wild offseason on that front.

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Speaker 1: And this employee, you're right, he was for eighteen years.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a classic whistleblower move. And he he

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Speaker 1: basically I think he put his own employment, his own

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Speaker 1: life on the line, I mean professional life too, do

751
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Speaker 1: what he thought was right here. So we'll see what

752
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: they do, right I really I respect what he did,

753
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: and I respect him laying out the reasons for it.

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00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: And look, it sounds like he knew maybe where this

755
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: was going throughout. I think there's a lot of documentation

756
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: he felt that Mark Davis specifically, like he he put

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00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: it out there. We're just repeating what his statements are

758
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: that Mark Davis the owner specifically, UM created a hostile

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00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: place for women, did not treat women right. And the

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00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: NFL like got a problem, Like like society has a

761
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: problem in the NFL is just part of society. But

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00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean specifically, the owners that are running the league

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00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: right now have a problem. Jerry Jones has a problem.

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Speaker 1: Dan Sneider has a problem. Mark Davis has a problem.

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Speaker 1: Like these are some of the most vocal and integral

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00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: owners in the in the league and have really active

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00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 1: UM parts of the league have recently gotten stadiums built

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00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: in the case of Mark Davis and Jerry Jones, And like,

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00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: the NFL has got to fix this stuff the end,

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00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: like Roger Goodell and everyone that's in this office. And

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00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: it's very tricky to be investigating an owner when the

772
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: owner is technically the boss of Roger Goodell. But I

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00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: just want to like see the league we work for

774
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: actually display a level of seriousness when it comes to

775
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: these allegations. Obviously, the Shaun Watson story is different, but

776
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: it's sort of of the same piece. And when your

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00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: owners are acting like this, like it's your problem, you

778
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: gott you have to do something about it. It's the

779
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: structurally the NFL needs to change, and I I you

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00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: you want it to be taken seriously, like you said,

781
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: and I look at what happened with the Jerry Jones

782
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: thing up till now. That's not taken seriously. I think

783
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: the league would rather things like this go away. And

784
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: you know, each the all thirty two teams are so different,

785
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: and the Raiders stand out as a family run operation obviously,

786
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: but sometimes that's where some of this stuff can happen

787
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: in fester, where there's less of a committee and more

788
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: of like a king or an emperor running the show. Right.

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Speaker 1: I mean this comes on the on the heels of

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00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: John Gruden and his email scandal, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that's gonna be involved. Just in the last year alone,

792
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: the Raiders have seen Department of Chief Financial Officer Ed

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Speaker 1: Villa and Wave a senior vice president of Strategy and

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00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: Business Brandon Doll Controller, a REXI Grant, and h another

795
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: Jeremy Acquire, the chief Operations and Analytics officer, all resigned

796
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: or kicked out fired in the last year alone, which

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00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: is just like, what is that tell you? Crazy? Uh?

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00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: Year for the Raiders. As they're getting excited for the

799
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: on field product, the off field products got a lot

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Speaker 1: to worry about. Let's get to something a little more

801
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: fun to talk about. That's gonna be Connor Or. But

802
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Speaker 1: first we'll take a little break. Our next guest. It's

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Speaker 1: a very special fist. He's a former employee of NFL Media,

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Speaker 1: a writer for the Around the NFL blog. He's a

805
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: man of mystery, a man that's full of surprises in

806
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 1: terms of his takes, his interests. You never really know

807
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Speaker 1: where he's coming from. He now works for si dot

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Speaker 1: com and he's a cover story writer. It's Connor Roor.

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody there? He is. It's great to have

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Speaker 1: you back, buddy. We're good. I mean, even though I

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Speaker 1: like had to stop our pre show conversation because the

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Speaker 1: fact that you think Frozen two is a great movie

813
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: just sort of stopped me in my tracks, and I thought,

814
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Speaker 1: like what what are what are we talking about? What

815
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: are your reasons? I mean, Frozen, it's a good Disney movie,

816
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: Frozen two. It's like they were trying to be deep

817
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: about like global warming or anything. But it's like trying

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Speaker 1: to be deep as if it was written by a

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Speaker 1: seven year old. I mean it got it. The movie.

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Speaker 1: I was so deep on Reddit about this recently. The

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Speaker 1: movie is so incredibly like entrenched in in colonialism. Right,

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Speaker 1: but they they did not they didn't finish the job right,

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Speaker 1: and that that would be my only complaint, right, Like

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Speaker 1: Erindale should not exist. Erindale should have been taken out

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Speaker 1: by the wave. Um and the people of North Thunderlad

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Speaker 1: in the forest should have been able to reclaim the

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Speaker 1: land and destroy Erindale, so that that would be my

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Speaker 1: only complaint. Otherwise, like the music is unbelievable. Um Adina's

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Speaker 1: voice has never sounded better. And I just think, uh,

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Speaker 1: like some of the songs are really powerful and uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm enjoying the Frozen stage right now. I have

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Speaker 1: kids who watch it. But I would say, like there

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Speaker 1: are like several Frozen two songs from the soundtrack on

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Speaker 1: my running playlist. I've got to say that there's nothing

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Speaker 1: more Connor or Esque than the fact that you're on

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Speaker 1: like deep dark subreddit boards about Frozen two. Well, the

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Speaker 1: whole time I'm sitting there and I'm like, well, I

838
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: wonder what that song is really about, but it is

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00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: like about what it said, it's a trying to be about.

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00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: But like the whole thing with the colonials, that's where

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00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: they got me wrong. Like if you're gonna you can't

842
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: try to be deep and then I get only halfway there.

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00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: It was it felt to me like it was trying

844
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: to be a message movie that really didn't make anything.

845
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Speaker 1: This is why Greg was not the third limb in

846
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: the Heat and Light podcast, because your mind is gonna

847
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: take it somewhere totally different. And I and that's why

848
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: my my daughter doesn't love me. And it's because I

849
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: bring up these things. Feel if they're watching the movie,

850
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: let me I'll put I'll put a bow in the

851
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: argument with this, right. I finished Ozarks yesterday last night,

852
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: and um, I'm not gonna spoil the ending for anybody

853
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: who hasn't seen it yet. Um, but you know Frozen,

854
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, you put a bowl on it, you

855
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: walk away feeling generally okay, whereas the ozarks is it

856
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: falls in line with our common theme of all premium

857
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: television and movies now, where it's just like you walk

858
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: away with the sense that like everything sucks and only

859
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 1: like evil people are powerful and rule rule your life,

860
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, I get it. You know, you know,

861
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: I'm a Disney guy. You're a Disney like that likes

862
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: a little half baked storyline about reparations mixed in. I

863
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: don't need your half baked reparation storyline. You executed it terribly.

864
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm stupid. I am stupid. Uh, let's talk about stupid

865
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: potential plot lines for the two thousand twenty two season.

866
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,919
Speaker 1: That's the wrong way to freight to introduce us, because

867
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: I don't think this is stupid at all. I'm really

868
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: excited about this segment. You guys had a podcast Connor,

869
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: you and Mark back in the day, and Mark, maybe

870
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: you can explain it to me and how it relates

871
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: to this um this episode. But what I took from

872
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: it was you guys look beneath the surface of certain

873
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: stories that people accepted a surface answer, whether it was

874
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: darkness in the world or conspiracies, and you went below that,

875
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: and I think that's what we're gonna try to do

876
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: with some NFL stories here, is that I think there's

877
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: there's territory to do that with NFL stories. Um, I

878
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: mean Connor and I when he would be in Los

879
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: Angeles or just over over our direct messaging clients, we

880
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: just naturally talk about this stuff. And the more you

881
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: get to know Connor, like he'll then send you like

882
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: an explosive twenty two page article you found on said topic.

883
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: But we would go I'll give you an example. I

884
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: think one of our first episodes ever, Um, I had

885
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: to convince our at NFL editors, Um, this is not

886
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: when you were in charge, Greg of of myself. That

887
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: was someone else, and Connor also was working a shift.

888
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: We both got out of a ship for like two

889
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: hours so that I I could go into a office while

890
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: you were in New Jersey, and we recorded in a

891
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: long episode about the fact that there may be too

892
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney's that the real that the Paul McCartney that

893
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: you knew early early on, at some point, um, there

894
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: was a shift and that human being was replaced. And

895
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: you can go, uh listen to the episode, which does

896
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: not available any people could find it somewhere. And if

897
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: you're if you're a big fan of the show, if

898
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: you're the type of fan that's on the reddit board

899
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 1: or leaves us messages, uh, leaves us comments, interviews on iTunes,

900
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: people should do that. By by the way, we haven't

901
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: asked for a while. Then maybe you are the type

902
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: of person that can find us these episodes and somehow

903
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: send it to us. You can contact Justin Graver at

904
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: Titans Film Room on Twitter, d m him about it

905
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: and let us know. But it's it's um. It's amazing

906
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: because you just wrote a story that fits perfectly into

907
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: this idea for a segment Connor, you wrote about the

908
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: NFL's investigation into the Browns and Hugh Jackson's allegations that

909
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: they weren't trying to win uh five years ago, that

910
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: they were tanking, and what you uncovered was frankly a

911
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: lot more interesting than anything I expected to come from

912
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: this Hugh Jackson story. I have to admit I didn't

913
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: read it till today, and I'm like, how are not

914
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: more people talking about this? I guess I explained to

915
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: the listeners that that haven't heard it, just like what

916
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: what this story was? And how it off its in

917
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: what's interesting? Right because I went on like a Cleveland

918
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: area radio station the other day to talk about the story,

919
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: and they just said, Hey, Connor Roors here, shoot, Hugh

920
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: Jackson's a loser. What's your problem? You know? And then

921
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: it's like, well, yeah, Hugh Jackson won three games, and

922
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: I think that that obscure wars three games and whatever

923
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: it was two and a half years, and I think

924
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: that that obscures uh, the general point here, which is

925
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: that uh, he had a deal with the Browns and

926
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: addendum to his contract that wasn't submitted to the league.

927
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: Um that UH financially incentivized him to have an increased

928
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: number of early round draft picks and to carry over

929
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: salary cap space, among other things. And so our argument is,

930
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened, Like the Browns could have

931
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: been bad because Hugh Jackson's a bad coach, the Browns

932
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: could have been bad because they were trying to lose.

933
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, But it's incredibly weird and unorthodox to

934
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: financially incentivize a coach to get more early draft picks

935
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: and to carry over cap space, because there's really only

936
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: one way to do that. And you have that, you

937
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: have the plan all And now that's the part where

938
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, how is more people not talking about this.

939
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: I definitely want to send it out that you have

940
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: the contract dt else you just mentioned some of them.

941
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 1: Another one was uh finishing top ten and win probability

942
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: added on fourth down, which I just found interesting that

943
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: they were incentivizing him to be analytic, uh, analytically minded

944
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 1: in terms of his coaching. But yeah, they were. They

945
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: were given him extra money mark to basically high to

946
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: get high draft picks and have young players. And I

947
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: don't think that's necessarily wrong, it's just really I just

948
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: find it very interesting to see the four year plan

949
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: which Connor did the reporting on, all written out. I think,

950
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 1: like Connor, the way the way you describe contracts stuff

951
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: like that, it turns people off maybe in general, because

952
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: it's complex, it's in the weeds. You you added a

953
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: lot of clarity to that, and I think it does

954
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: raise questions. I also, looking back on that time, like,

955
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: I don't put the huge Jackson because it's coming from

956
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: him doesn't totally discredit the whole thing. You're right about that,

957
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: and that's a probably more local reaction to that. But

958
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: the Browns were pretty out front about the fact that

959
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: with Sashi Brown and the rest of that front office,

960
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,919
Speaker 1: that we are taking a different approach. We're the team

961
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: that's gonna take on Brock Swidler's massive contract just to

962
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: do something that other NFL teams aren't doing. It was

963
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of a different period back then, and

964
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: so I don't know if it was like this hidden

965
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: tank job. Necessarily, they had a terrible talent, they had

966
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: no answers at quarterback, and they were looking to a

967
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: crew and re shift to change the whole franchise through

968
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: the draft picks. But then the contract, which they were

969
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: not out front about, and if they didn't send it

970
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: to the league, adds all sorts of questions. So it's

971
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: super murky, it is, and you know, it's interesting to me,

972
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: is I think. And I wrote a follow up to

973
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: this um that included some additional reporting that, like, you know,

974
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: Hugh was one of the only coaches I think that

975
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: we've found and we surveyed a lot of people who

976
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: have done coaching contracts around the league who were actually paid,

977
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, or offered to be paid for a certain

978
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: win total, which I thought was really interesting and doesn't

979
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: necessarily happen like in a lot of coaches contracts, it

980
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: will just be like you get extra money if you

981
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, not like you get extra money if

982
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: you win three games, you know what I mean. And

983
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: so I thought that was kind of interesting. But I

984
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: think what it does, and I think the convenience, uh

985
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 1: and you talk about conspiracy, you know, I don't know

986
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: whatever it is. But the timing of the fact that

987
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,439
Speaker 1: you can establish basically what your basement level expectations are

988
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: of being competitive with the Brian Flores investigation looming, I

989
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: think is is interesting and just kind of worth considering, right,

990
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: because with Hugh Jackson, what the NFL is saying is no, no,

991
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: they were trying to win because in Hugh Jackson's second year,

992
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 1: they signed uh, you know, Kevin Zeitler, right, and so

993
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: even and even though they were in bottom two of

994
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: cap spending each of those first two years, what they

995
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: basically did was establish a structure where it can be like, Okay,

996
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 1: as long as you're kind to here and you can

997
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: show us some glimmer of reasonable expectation of competition, then

998
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: we're not going to come down and you for tanking.

999
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: And I think that the Browns, it'll kind of be

1000
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: the Browns line going forward, right where it's like, as

1001
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: long as you don't do it any harder than this,

1002
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna be okay. Doesn't the NFL want

1003
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: to allow other teams to do something similar? Doesn't the

1004
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: NFL want to do it? I was thinking that if

1005
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna allow, if you're gonna open up that, if

1006
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: you're not gonna look at the brown situation other than

1007
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: through a certain lens as the league, you're allowing other

1008
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: teams to go to the tank method, which we've seen

1009
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: looked at all of this and said there is absolutely

1010
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 1: nothing against the rules going on here, and I don't

1011
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: necessarily disagree with that. I just find it interesting to

1012
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: see all of this stuff written down on paper. So yeah,

1013
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: I think they're basically saying, like the Giants, I think

1014
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: are a good example this year. That's that's a team

1015
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: strategy that you're essentially spending less money in the short term.

1016
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: The Giants are, like we talked about James Bradbury earlier.

1017
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: They could have kept him if they wanted to, They

1018
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: could have moved money around, but they don't want to.

1019
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,320
Speaker 1: They don't want to spend money this year because they

1020
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 1: have a long term build. It's just kind of crazy

1021
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: to look at it all and down on paper that

1022
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: the coach is literally making extra money if the team

1023
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: spends less money, which is what is exactly written down here,

1024
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: that if they rank in the bottom quarter of cash spend,

1025
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 1: the coach for some reason gets extra money. Yeah. I

1026
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: think in in the end, and what I wrote in

1027
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: the follow up column, and I think what I hope

1028
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: everyone takes away from it, right is you have to

1029
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 1: have now that the NFL has blessed this and said

1030
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: it's okay, um, I think as a player agent or

1031
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: a player, you have to know that this exists. And

1032
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: if you're signing anywhere as a free agent, you have

1033
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: to be able to find out if your coach has

1034
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: picked a cruel bonus in his contract or any sort

1035
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: of um, any sort of incentivization for cash spend or

1036
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: cap spend, because that affects your future career, right like

1037
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, so you have to know that going forward.

1038
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: And so whether that means we're more transparent about coaching

1039
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: contracts which are basically unseeable because you know, you can

1040
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: google players contract in two minutes, but you can't find

1041
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: any coaching contract or. Forbes always lists like the top

1042
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: ten highest paid coaches, it's always Belichick one or two,

1043
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: and then they just put a number on there and

1044
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: they're just like, oh, we're just guessing, right, We're we're

1045
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: a publication, but we're just guessing. We're gonna put him

1046
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: number one, but we have no earthly idea. I'm with you.

1047
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: I would love that, and I think that that the

1048
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 1: point you make is absolutely right and players should push

1049
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: for that. But I have a hard time imagic in

1050
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: it all because you're you're also asking the player not

1051
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 1: to share that information if things go sour down the road.

1052
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: I love this story. Everyone should check it out Connor

1053
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: or on Sports Illustrated dot com. You can find it

1054
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: from his Twitter account. Everything. Do you have, uh something

1055
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: that that would have been a good heat and light

1056
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: episode mark if it was a little more football oriented. Yeah, yes,

1057
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: it's far less trenchant than what we've just been discussing.

1058
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 1: I'll start right there. It's sort of stupid, but uh,

1059
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: if this occurred, I think you'd have people that said,

1060
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 1: this isn't a big deal, this just happened the way

1061
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: it happened. Then you'd have other people saying something about

1062
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: this doesn't fly you people, well, I think in the

1063
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: spirit of heat and light, like Connor and I think

1064
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: I would both probably be in that and you might too.

1065
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: We'll see. But here's all goes. I'll read it to you. Um,

1066
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 1: this is what I'm saying. I'm projecting to happen between

1067
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: now and the Super Bowl. There will be a moment

1068
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,959
Speaker 1: between now and said super Bowl where NFL Commissioner Roger

1069
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: Goodill is advertised to the public as a heroic figure

1070
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: after saving a civilian from a life threatening event. All right,

1071
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: full disclosure. Suspicion will bubble up that the entire thing

1072
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: is a false flag. People like Conrad Mark will have

1073
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: their doubts. Mark will come, you know, compliantly say nothing

1074
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: due to his employment status. But also Goodell earns points

1075
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: for refusing to discuss the event, kind of treating it

1076
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: like something any sort of salt of the Earth cowboy

1077
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: would do any day of the week. So it doesn't

1078
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: you could you could argue he's not bubbling it up,

1079
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,399
Speaker 1: but just to just what will it look like. Look

1080
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: for the event to take the form of rog saving

1081
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: said civilian from for example, I'm gonna give you a

1082
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: couple of items that how this may shape. Because we've

1083
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: seen these things in the past. From a pr angle

1084
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 1: with actors, directors, people that are in trouble, suddenly something

1085
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: heroic happens. But maybe a communist it's a bit of

1086
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: an image makeover. I mean, I just I'm just saying

1087
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: he's sort of the first person that came to mind. Um,

1088
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: maybe he says or saves the civilian from a car

1089
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: fire by the side of the highway, or a potential

1090
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: drowning in shark flush waters, or from an animal attack

1091
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: in the forest, or from a tornado which nobody researches

1092
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: enough to realize no weather event actually occurred in the

1093
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: said place. They said it did. From an armed robber

1094
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: from land pirates, from a gang of rowdy youths with

1095
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: wooden clubs, from a trashy woman on bath salts, from

1096
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: potential poisoning. Roger drinks the poison instead and lives. From

1097
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: a poultry gist of some variety. Again impossible to prove.

1098
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: He didn't stop a pulture geist demon possession from an

1099
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: envelope filled with a nefarious white powder. Rock just opens

1100
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: up the envelope and Bibe said white powder and lives, etcetera, etcetera.

1101
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: It's gonna take the form of one of those things.

1102
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: There'll people that say, Oh, that's so wonderful, what a

1103
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: nice story, and others that say, wait a minute, there's

1104
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,359
Speaker 1: a deeper story here. We got to cut that for

1105
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: social you know, definitely, we need to definitely want that

1106
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: out there, just like ant NFL commission on Twitter and

1107
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: put that out there. Absolutely noted Randy is on it.

1108
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 1: We will have that clip on it. Graver last one

1109
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: week as producer the Round podcast. That would be a

1110
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,879
Speaker 1: great episode. I would love I would love to listen

1111
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: to Connor talk about that. You and Connor the It

1112
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: was funny because I was thinking in my mind, I

1113
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: was like, oh God, if people unearthed heat and light,

1114
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: what are they going to find? Because you know, I

1115
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: don't remember what I said, you know, eight years ago,

1116
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: before I had kids and cared about anything really or

1117
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: do I Yeah, But I think there was an episode

1118
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: that there's no way it was wilder than that, So

1119
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: you're kind Now. We did an episode on pyramids is

1120
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: an energy source and I think we accused JP Morgan

1121
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: of centralizing electricity. Yes, it was j JP Morgan took

1122
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: some took some friendly fire or fire. Just I could

1123
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: see your your vision happening. There's no sandwich on the

1124
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: line here, even though it kind of feels like a

1125
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: sandwich proper um. I could see Roger Goodell from what

1126
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: I know about him, uh doing that. You know, I

1127
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: don't know if he needs like a huge image makeover

1128
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: right now. I feel like he was getting beat up

1129
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: more publicly in the past. Um, but certainly he has

1130
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: some owners going wild right now that we talked about earlier,

1131
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: and that's bad for the NFL. And maybe maybe this

1132
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: will give him sort of the the juice, the pr

1133
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: juice almost to do that part of his unpleasant part

1134
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: of his job a little more easily. Every You know,

1135
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: I'm not just saying this because we we are. We

1136
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: keep it real here on the Around the NFL podcast,

1137
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: Like everyone says who nice things about Roger Goodell, who

1138
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: actually know I'm like behind the scenes, and I was like, oh, yeah,

1139
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: he's such a nice guy. He's always did this or

1140
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: that for me. Like you never hear anyone actually say

1141
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 1: anything bad behind the scenes, which usually a pretty good

1142
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: sign because we hear a lot of people say a

1143
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: lot of bad things behind the scenes about a lot

1144
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: of powerful people. Um So I think I think it

1145
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: makes sense that this would happen. Yeah, I'm with you.

1146
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: I don't think that he's appears to be a villain

1147
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: on any level when we hung out with him, but

1148
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: like from a national perspective, he could use a little

1149
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: bit of pru And if you remember in the pages

1150
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: of Sports Illustrated written by my old boss Peter King,

1151
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: there was the seminal um Roger Goodell profile that had

1152
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: a um an anecdote from back in his college days

1153
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: where I believe he broke up a violent bar fight. Okay,

1154
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: see there we're setting the gunner all right. My my

1155
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: story which I think could be something that the two

1156
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: of you would would dive into. It's it's not as mystical.

1157
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: It's a little more like Ozark, where it's just like

1158
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: an open ended question, maybe a little more like Twin Peaks.

1159
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: And that is about the dark energy around the Minnesota Vikings.

1160
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: And different teams have different UH energy around them, and

1161
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: I think what the Vikings energy that's around them right

1162
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 1: now is that they will never change. They are just

1163
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: always the Vikings. They're the the exact same team as

1164
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: they were year before. Like literally, if you look at

1165
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: their offense, it's it's Kirk Cousins, Dalvin Cook, Kjazwere, Adam

1166
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: thieland Justin Jefferson. Mostly the same offensive line, uh, a

1167
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: lot of the same defensive Yes, they changed out the

1168
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: coach and the GM, but like that's not enough because

1169
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: ultimately what is pulling both sides of the Vikings fans

1170
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: experience is this unforgiving sameness. Uh that you finished with

1171
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: eight or nine wins and it's ultimately disappointed. And there's

1172
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: a point in the season where it seems like they

1173
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: have your hopes up, but all their fans kind of

1174
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: know that it won't happen, and they're almost potentially stuck

1175
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: in this cosmic energy loop where whatever happens around that team.

1176
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: You can shake up the coach and the GM, it

1177
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. They're just stuck energy wise in the middle.

1178
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: I dig it because it kind of feels like, um,

1179
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: a house that has haunted, where the spirit that uh,

1180
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: the spirit doesn't change. They're they're trapped in something dark

1181
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: and negative themselves. That's why they are where they are,

1182
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: and like even their dark energy is boring, Like it's

1183
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: a boring dark energy. The Vikings seem no matter what

1184
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: they do, they do seem the similar to me year

1185
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 1: after year when we do the show Connor, it's um,

1186
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: you know what it is. It's like it's it could

1187
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: be this like private obsession of owners. Ziggy will for

1188
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: like he he goes into the stadium on game day

1189
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: in disguise and he's looking around and he just and

1190
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: he just loves the idea of like like a person

1191
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 1: never reaching a certain level of happiness. You know, he

1192
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: just you know, he just watches watches people watch Dalvin

1193
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: Cook slam into the line for like a two yard

1194
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: gain on an ice so han off and then and

1195
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: then know that that person was like really hoping this

1196
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: would be a moment where he could connect with his

1197
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: son and see an incredible play, but instead, like it's

1198
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: just play after play of Dalvin Cook ramming into the

1199
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: line for two yards, And like Ziggy Wilton just loves

1200
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: this idea of of complete and utter like unfeelingnus media

1201
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: pretty like yeah, that makes him very ungenerous of spirit,

1202
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: a certain sort of um and not even an ambivalence

1203
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: antipathy towards the human race that he wants maybe he

1204
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: wants them to feel, not to psychoanalyze here in this scenario,

1205
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: but like to feel how he feels um and just

1206
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: feel very middle of the road. I feel like his

1207
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: brother Wealth got off with the better scenario here like

1208
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 1: this is uh, this is uh there, this is why

1209
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: I need you like guys to help me out with

1210
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: this exercise because mine still sort of went back to

1211
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: like what is the vikings standing is gonna finish? But

1212
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: you guys helped helped me. I think it'd be a

1213
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: good episode. What's one for you? Connor? So I have

1214
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: uh I have here and with the Tom Brady News today,

1215
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: uh interesting sort of uh interesting sort of connection here

1216
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: on the broadcast or front. But at some point in

1217
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: the next few months, there would be a credible discovery

1218
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: of a John Madden look alike in the Panamanian village

1219
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: of lacho Era outside of a Bunco general that touches

1220
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: off a massive league wide conspiracy about the legitimacy of

1221
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 1: his death. So is John Madden really dead? But I

1222
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: mean it's this is fantastic, So he know he's so

1223
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: it's not like a clone. It's like he's just getting

1224
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: older and older. But he's been hitting out in this

1225
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 1: um other area of the earth outside of a Bunco

1226
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: general uh in Latreia, which is in Panama. And you know,

1227
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: he just had to escape the hustle and bustle of

1228
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: the NFL. But something inside of me believes that he

1229
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 1: longs to return, um to call big NFL games, especially

1230
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: now I believe he would top the thirty five million

1231
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 1: a year that Tom Brady just got to Mark's. Mark's

1232
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: face just lit up, especially with your pronunciation of the

1233
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: place in Panama. Uh. He just is so happy. I

1234
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: love to see you two together because Connor and Mark

1235
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: do you guys just make each other happy. Nothing wrong

1236
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: with that we do, especially when we were at the

1237
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: cozy taking each other happy. I love that too. Um.

1238
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: I think um Matt and always would talk about the

1239
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 1: bus talking to each other at the Hall of Fame

1240
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: and uh he believed in mysticism. I believe like that

1241
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: they are never I don't really believe Al Davis is dead,

1242
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: Like I don't think Mark Davis got that stadium built.

1243
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: So I feel like maybe they're together. They always they

1244
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: always remained us. I took a virtual tour through in

1245
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: in Uh during research for the show, and it seems

1246
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: it seems lovely all right, we'll do a quick speed round.

1247
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to go uh shortly, but my just

1248
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: speed round one is just gonna be kind of an

1249
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: investigation into UM, like what it's like to play with

1250
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I just feel like that would be a

1251
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: good episode. And why why Davonte Adams left UM. Aaron

1252
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: Rodgers said he was the man who was the reason

1253
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: why people came to play in Green Bay, and now

1254
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: you look at their team and the only you know,

1255
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: person that came back to play there is Randall cop

1256
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: like Odell Beckham. That would be a nice place to

1257
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: go play. Aaron Rodgers. You talked about your ability to

1258
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: bring people in and and attract them. Go get Aldell Beckham.

1259
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: You could absolutely use him right now, and they have

1260
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: the cap space to do it. And so I think

1261
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: that would be a good episode, just sort of looking

1262
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: into that everything that's beyond uh totally Like, I think

1263
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: there's a lot there that UM is yet to be uncovered.

1264
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: My mind is this is a more sort of football

1265
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: e uh. I think that we are months away from

1266
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 1: a sizzling report in which it's revealed. I mean, I

1267
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: think we already feel this way to some degree, but

1268
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: with real facts and and dangerous items and bullet points

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Speaker 1: that the Niners are quietly in turmoil because Kyle Shanahan

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Speaker 1: simply doesn't believe that Trey Lands can do it. And

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Speaker 1: all this business that's been going on for the Jimmy

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Speaker 1: g last season, everything is a fractured scenario inside a

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Speaker 1: team that has Super Bowl dreams. Love that in the

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Speaker 1: sense that it's history repeating. Mike Shanahan and his general

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Speaker 1: manager in front office says that was his downfall. They

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Speaker 1: always started clashing. It was like palace intrigue. I could

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Speaker 1: see that happening. What's your last speed? Round one? Connor

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Speaker 1: Okay Uh Chargers receiver Josh Palmer stuns the NFL in

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Speaker 1: a few weeks with an early retirement, opting to focus

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Speaker 1: on his true prapped passion of creating a rechargeable battery

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Speaker 1: for home guardening equipment. That lessons are reliance on foreign

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Speaker 1: raw materials and this this creates thousands of jobs in

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Speaker 1: the process and pulls away dozens of his teammates with

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Speaker 1: the promises of term employment pensions. Uh. You know, all

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Speaker 1: this great stuff in the NFL basically becomes a massive

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Speaker 1: networking ground for American mind essential materials business. So it's

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Speaker 1: players want to get into the NFL so that they

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Speaker 1: can jump into American mind materials, and not to stay

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. That is gonna because of Josh Palmer.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna kill the Chargers in the a f C West. There,

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Speaker 1: Slater and Zion Johnson are like, oh, yeah, we're going

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Speaker 1: with Josh and suddenly products Yeah, no offensive line help whatsoever. Well,

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Speaker 1: based on the reaction of the the group that I'm

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Speaker 1: watching behind the glass that was that idea was a winner.

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Speaker 1: You delighted them. They were laughing, they were smiling. They

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Speaker 1: were like children again. After Mark and I totally bore

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Speaker 1: them talking about football for news. For a lot of

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Speaker 1: people behind the glass, our children still well, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: guys are in your twenties to to us, to us

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Speaker 1: your children, um, but we're we're the type we have children.

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Speaker 1: Mark Connor does he's wearing a less Sneed f Them

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Speaker 1: Picks sweatshirt right now. I love it, Connor. Um, as

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Speaker 1: Dan would say, You've said it all, what a what

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Speaker 1: a delight to see you again, bye, guys. I feel

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Speaker 1: like it's like Dan's away and we got away with

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Speaker 1: this episode, or I think he would know, I think

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Speaker 1: he would have totally enjoyed it, and I'm sure he'll

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Speaker 1: be listening he who knows, maybe he's in Panama wherever.

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Speaker 1: That was. See you later, Connor, guys, thanks for having me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: um what a show. Um big week, big show. That

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Speaker 1: was great, and uh, we're gonna have a great show

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Speaker 1: on Thursday, Mark schedule release Spectacular. It was always um

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Speaker 1: West's least favorite tent pole event by the NFL, but

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Speaker 1: I think we're going to up the most of it.

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Speaker 1: That's that's absolutely true. He hated it, he hated making

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Speaker 1: a big deal of it, he hated writing about it,

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Speaker 1: and um Dan, you know, I don't know if it

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Speaker 1: was intentional that he set up his anniversary on a

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Speaker 1: day where they would eventually do the schedule release show,

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Speaker 1: like fifteen years later. Probably not. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: moved around actually over the years, it's now much later

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Speaker 1: than it used to be. But he happens to be gone.

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Speaker 1: But we do have some special guests. Rachel Bonetta is

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Speaker 1: going to be joining us on on the show. We

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Speaker 1: hope to get Patrick clay Bown in here as well

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Speaker 1: for part of it, and so that'll be fun. We

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Speaker 1: will release it as a podcast, hopefully right when the

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Speaker 1: schedule is released at eight pm Eastern time five pm Pacific.

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Speaker 1: We're not allowed to release any earlier than that. I

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Speaker 1: think that's probably the sixth, seventh, eighth time we've done this. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll have to find out, Graver, go find out what

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Speaker 1: annual episode this is between now and Thursday. Okay, that's it.

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Speaker 1: You don't have anything more, a lot of legwork for

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Speaker 1: for Graver though, Uh, he's doing a great job. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for um, for the late John Madden, or maybe not

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Speaker 1: the late John Justin Graver Connor or Mark Sessler. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you on Thursday. Heave a call. M