1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: Hello and podcast stuff, cool, Margaret Post Phil Joy. Today 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: today was the most like I've been, like, oh my god, 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: the world. That was so Robert Evan to you. I 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: take it all back ship. Sooner or later it happened. 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: I don't feel bad about it. Made me feel bad 6 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, I tell jokes now, So 7 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: after working with Robert and Cody for a while, Yeah, 8 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: well that's, um, that's good because this entire no, I 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: actually I don't tell tocom jokes. I don't think I do. 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: I actually don't really feel comfortable with it, but more 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: so than I did before I started working with those boys. 12 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: That's this whole thing where I'm like telling all this 13 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: story about people should be able to say whatever they want, 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: make talk dirty, and I'm like, but I'm still kind 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: of a proper lady about something. You know, I really 16 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: really that I don't like part jokes. I don't like 17 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: hoop jokes, like none of that, not like you know, 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: I don't want to like see those people like locked 19 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: up or I respect your right to to do those jokes. Yeah, yeah, 20 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: exactly defensive. You're right anyways, coming this is a cool 21 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: people who did cool stuff, and that's Katie Stool right right, Margaret, Yes, 22 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: and that is Sophie, who is our producer. By Sophie 23 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: Hi Hi. It is us yep and Ian who is 24 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: not present but is listening, is our editor, and he 25 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: rules because he cuts out all the awkward, weird pauses 26 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: like where my brain turns off because we're somewhere between 27 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: one and fifteen years into a pandemic and our brains 28 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: don't work the same anymore. So thanks, they sure don't 29 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: do the shout out. And so today it is part 30 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: two of our two part series on the Fight for 31 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: birth control. And if you haven't listened to the first part, 32 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: you should probably go listen to the first part. So 33 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: all that stuff from the first episode, all the fucker 34 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: and people fighting and dying for the right to control 35 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: their bodies and to not be possessions of their husbands, 36 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: that's the precursor to what gets called the birth control 37 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: movement in the United States. They actually didn't even use 38 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: the word birth control until but I'll get to that later. 39 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: The birth control movement in the United States started in 40 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: New York City in the nineteen tenths, and I want 41 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: to start with my favorite of these advocates, Emma Goldman. 42 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: If Anthony Comstock is Anthony fucking Comstock, derisively yes, Emma 43 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: Goldman is Emma fucking Goldman, but excitedly okay, emm a 44 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: fucking Goldman. Yeah. Emma fucking Goldman was a Jewish anarchist 45 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: and immigrant from Russia, a midwife, a groundbreaking feminist, a 46 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,239 Speaker 1: famous orator who scared the piss out of cops and 47 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: governments everywhere she went, and basically the person who did 48 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: the most work to say you can actually enjoy life 49 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: and be a revolutionary. My one of my favorite of 50 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: her quotes, in order to open this little section is 51 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: I want freedom, the right to self expression, and everybody's 52 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: right to beautiful, radiant wings. I like that. Emma Goldman 53 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: was not born in nineteen sixty nine, despite my apparent 54 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: compulsive desire as a person writing the scripts for her 55 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: own podcast to type in nineteen instead of eighteen. Emma 56 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: Goldman was born in eighteen sixty nine and was now Lithuania, 57 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: but was then the Russian Empire. Her her mom's first husband, 58 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: had died of katie. Can you guess what he died of? 59 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: It's in the nineteenth century TB. He did. He died 60 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: of tuberculosis. The that first marriage. Her mother's first marriage 61 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: had been for love. The second marriage to Emma's dad 62 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: was arranged by the family. Emma's dad sucked. He used 63 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: to whip her. She went to school where teachers would 64 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: beat her hands with rulers. She got another teacher fired 65 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: when he tried to sexually assault her, and she physically 66 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: fought him off, which rules. I mean, it does not 67 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: rule that she had to do that, but no, you know. So, 68 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: her family moved around a lot. Her dad opened lots 69 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: of failed businesses and kind of like classic shitty dad mode, 70 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: Emma worked a bunch of jobs as a kid. She 71 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: wanted to keep going to school, but her dad set 72 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: her French books on fire and shouted quote, girls do 73 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: not have to learn much. All a Jewish daughter needs 74 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: is to know how to prepare, give filth, fish, cut 75 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: noodles fine, and give the man plenty of children. He 76 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: sounds like a good dad. Yeah, good dad. This actually 77 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: an epis. I love a good dad. They're so hot, 78 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: you know dad, Oh my god? Right, yeah. That it's 79 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: funny because the bar that we ask like like good 80 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: dad is one of the easiest bars to pass, and 81 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: it works on me. What do you what do you 82 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: actually read about a good dad? You're like, that guy's 83 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: amazing so much, and it's so unfair because I mean, 84 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: I'm not a mother, but what I understand of motherhood, 85 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: it's really hard and women get criticized so unfairly for 86 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: their mothering skills, whereas a dad just has to tell 87 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,559 Speaker 1: his daughter to shut up and make the get filter fish, 88 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden he's Dad of the Year. 89 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: You know I have to do is not be this 90 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: guy and your your dad? Yeah exactly, Um, the bars 91 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: on the floor, please lift your feet and don't scuffle. 92 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: So she doesn't go to school. Instead, she studies on 93 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: her own, and she studies those podcast alumni, the Russian Nihilists. 94 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: She really likes the Russian Nihilists. She especially likes the 95 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: ones who had just recently killed the Czar. Sure then 96 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: facing rising anti Semitism, some of which came out of 97 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: the fact that nihilists, including a Jewish nihilist, had killed 98 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: the czar. There's programs happening, and her family emigrates to Rochester, 99 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: New York in waves. First her sisters go, then Emma 100 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: goes her parents like, no, you can't go and she's like, 101 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: fuck you, I'm going to go, and then I think 102 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: she threatens to throw herself in the river if they 103 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: don't let her go. So she goes, and then her 104 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: parents and brother came soon after, because Russia not a 105 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: really good place to be Jewish right then, and she 106 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: gets the job as a seamstress in Rochester, New York. 107 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: She marries this impotent dude who quickly turns into an 108 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: abusive asshole in the classic I'll kill myself if you 109 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: leave me way. Yeah, So she left him and for 110 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: her Yeah, and then at one point she actually goes 111 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: back to him. No, no, she went back to him, 112 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: but she only goes back to him for like three months, 113 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: and then she's like, fuck him out again, good girl. Yeah. 114 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: And her parents, however, kick her out of the house 115 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: for being a slut for divorcing her husband. Okay, so 116 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to include mom in the not good parents 117 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: mode really quickly. Yeah, that's not great. I mean, I 118 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know about their home life, how 119 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: much power. If that's what father believes of a woman 120 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: and what her role is, I can imagine that her 121 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: mom wouldn't have much say in the decision. That's a 122 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: that's a really good point. But I don't know. Yeah, 123 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: she could just be a bit, she'd be a fucking cunt. 124 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: I just love to say the word cunt. I think 125 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: so satisfying. It is really so, it's just all of 126 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: those consonants. It's nice, feels good in your mouth. I 127 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: know that feels good in your mouth. You can you 128 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: can quote me on it. I concur Okay. So, so 129 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: Emma Goldman gets into she's a teenager now she's sixteen 130 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: or something, and she gets into anarchism in the wake 131 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: of podcast alumni the Haymarket affair, in which eight anarchists 132 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: were put on trial pretty much just for being anarchists 133 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: in the fight for the eight hour work day, and 134 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: four of them were hanged. So Emma's like, okay, this 135 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: seems cool. So she fox off to New York City 136 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: and the first day she's there, she meets the man 137 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: that she kept around us, her friend with occasional benefits 138 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: for for decades, with whom she would soon plot a murder. 139 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: His name is Alexander Berkman, or Sasha for short, and 140 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: he's all right. He counts as cool people too, and 141 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: he's bisexual. Definite step up from abusive husband. Yeah he 142 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: sounds like like good people. Yeah, yeah, he's good. Now, 143 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: he's good. He there's like some stuff that you would 144 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: be like someone says, yeah, I won terms he's good. 145 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: He is. He's good. It's not that good, is he. 146 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: But unfortunately that's why we have to talk about most 147 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: men in our lives. We're like, he's not that. He 148 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: means well, he doesn't get it. Well, I wish he 149 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: got it anyway, that's a different topic. So so I'm 150 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: a gold Man. She falls in with this huge immigrant 151 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: community of socialists and anarchists on the Lower East Side, 152 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: and all of these folks would hang out on the 153 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: rooftops of the tenement buildings and they would shout at 154 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: each other across from rooftop to rooftop in German, Russian 155 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: and Yiddish about how to build class power and destroy 156 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: the capitalists and free themselves from the state which just 157 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 1: rules like what a time to be alive, you know, yeah, 158 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: I know, yeah, And now I feel like in the 159 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: last episode, I felt like this to all of these 160 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: people like you, imagining like, yeah I could have That's 161 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: exactly who I would have been. And maybe I was 162 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: I don't know where I stand on past lives, but 163 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 1: I love to fantasy. I love to daydream about, like yeah, 164 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: maybe I was there, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I believe 165 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: in past you. I believe in current you as well. Um. 166 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if you speak any of these languages, 167 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: but you should shout them across rooftops if you do, 168 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: or in languages you do know. So she's in her 169 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: early twenties when the Homestead strike happens, which is in 170 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: June two, and I even put the eight in the 171 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: date right correctly. This time, a unionized steel plant was 172 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: negotiating their contract with their asshole boss, this guy named 173 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: Henry Clay Frick, who was a huge industrialist at the time, 174 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: and he hates all of his workers. He hates the union, 175 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: so he locked during negotiations. So they go on strike. 176 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: So Frick hires some scabs and then some Pinkerton's who 177 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: are private security to protect the scabs. And on July 178 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:44,239 Speaker 1: six two, they have a good old fashioned twelve hour gunfight. 179 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: Oh twelve hours. They must not be very good then, yeah, okay, 180 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: fair enough. It leaves It leaves seven guards and nine 181 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: strikers dead. This this gun fight at the factory. So 182 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: so Emma Goldman and her pal Sasha, she she called 183 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: him a pal out a boyfriend, and they were lovers 184 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: and friends, but not quite a couple because they were 185 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: very emphatically they're own people. That was a big part 186 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: of their politics. And so they're like, hey, hey, pal, 187 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: you want to do a murder. This guy is up 188 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: to no good. We will kill this frick asshole and 189 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: then all the workers will be like, hooray the revolution. 190 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: Let's throw off the chains of capitalist depression and create 191 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: a free society based on mutual aid. That's their plan, 192 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: no notes, perfect plan, solid, what could go wrong? No notes. 193 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: So they decided that Sasha, it couldn't have possibly gone. 194 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: Oh there's so many steps there that will all go correctly. Yeah, 195 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: So they decide Sasha is going to do the shooting 196 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: and or stabbing, and Emma is going to do the 197 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: telling everyone why they did that, to rouse the rabble, 198 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: to you know, throw off the yoke of oppression or whatever. 199 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: And at this point Emma Goldman tries sex work to 200 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: raise the money. But basically what happens, um she's street 201 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: walking and a guy picks her up and takes her 202 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: to a bar, and says, honestly, I don't think that's 203 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: the job for you, and then gives her ten bucks, 204 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: which is in today's money. So what did you say that? 205 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: That's kind of offensive? I know, I have no idea, 206 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: but you know, And and and also a lot of that 207 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: comes from her own writing about her life, right too. 208 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: So there's always the like, yeah, and there's also this 209 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: thing and I actually think this is probably what happened. 210 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: But there's this thing that I keep running into where like, 211 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: sex work is written out of history constantly. So many 212 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: people have or like have had past tensed engaged in 213 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: sex work, and it is just like not talked about 214 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: as soon as they do anything else. You know, no 215 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: one wants to talk about it. Yeah, but they get 216 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: together their money. I think that. Um. I think Emma 217 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: Goldman borrows money from her sister. Basically. I don't know 218 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: if she's like, hey, I want to do a murder. 219 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: Can I get some money for murder? But Berkman goes, 220 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: finds Frick in his office, shoots him three times, stabs 221 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: him once. But the problem here is that Frick isn't 222 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: just the owner of a steel factory. He's a fucking 223 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: man of steel or something because he survives. It's about 224 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: to say that sounds like overkilled, but it wasn't. It 225 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: was not overkilled. Henry clay Frick lives a long as time. 226 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: And this will be shocking to you. I know. The 227 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: workers weren't like, hooray, we two can take arms against 228 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: our capitalist overlords. Instead they were like ship, what the fuck? 229 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: Oh fuck, we don't actually want this, this is bad. 230 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: Oh dang. So people can't just be forced into changing 231 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: their perspectives like that over and now. Yeah, it's interesting. 232 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: I don't know. I was looking for something different, Like 233 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: of course you'd be like, yes, you're liberated, let's do this. 234 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: But a lot of people I'm treating the choir pay. 235 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: You get so limited by your cages. You you are 236 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: afraid to step out and and see because it could 237 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: be anything there or whatever. But like people, people are 238 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: are can be hard to convince that they're participating in 239 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: that this system is not is fucking them instead of 240 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: helping them totally totally. And so this this action the 241 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: attend taught, I believe they call it. It It was an 242 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: attempt at propaganda of the deed, which was like a 243 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: the anarchist style at the time. At the end of 244 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: the nineteenth century, which was do propaganda by mostly by 245 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: killing people who are bad, but but by like doing 246 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: things rather than just talking about things. But but it 247 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: turns out you can't just show up and kill a 248 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: guy and have everyone be like hooray, thanks for killing 249 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: the guy or whatever, you know, especially if he doesn't die. 250 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: Yeah I know, yeah, actually I wonder what had happened. 251 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: So and this sets back both the labor movement and 252 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: the anarchist movement unfortunately. And there's this one guy, Johan Most, 253 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: who was Emma Goldman's sort of mentor figure, who does 254 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: a lot of speechifying, and he goes around and his 255 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: whole thing is like revolutionary violence. We need more violence. 256 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: Violence is the way, you know, it's like this whole deal. 257 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: Compared to a lot of the other anarchists at the time, 258 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: we're like violence is like maybe necessary, but we're more 259 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: into mass movements and you're almost like the violence. And 260 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: then as soon as this assassination happens or happens, John 261 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: Most walks it back and it's like, oh, it was 262 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: a bad idea. He never should have done that. And 263 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: Emma Goldman is in the crowd when he's giving this 264 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: speech talking ship on her fucking pal. So she walks 265 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: up to the stage with a horsewhip and horse whips 266 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: him for talking ship. Oh oh my god, that's bold. 267 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: And then she breaks the horsewhip over her knee. I 268 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: guess the handle of it rows it at the stage, 269 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: and I think storms off and she regrets this later 270 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: she's like, maybe overreacted. Sure, who among us? Well, that's 271 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: what she says. Her quote that is basically whom among 272 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: us is quote at the age of twenty three, one 273 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: does not reason, I mean fairly accurate. Yea, yeah, I 274 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: mean I never used a horse whip. Well, they're just 275 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: not as readily available. I mean, you know you don't. Yeah, yeah, 276 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: it'd be like if you used to know no one 277 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: uses clubs anymore, like a club that for your car. Okay, 278 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: I think it's I think we all can agree. And 279 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: do you know what else is fair? I'm looking to 280 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: see how far into this episode we are it's fair 281 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: for us to move to advertising because done like a pro. Thanks, um. 282 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: I want to move it back to the bread and 283 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: butter of our podcast sponsors and tell you that um 284 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: potatoes are fairly easy to grow and other people can 285 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: also do the growing for you. You don't have to 286 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: do it yourself. And they're very good for you unless 287 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: you unless they're not good for you, because everyone's bodies 288 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: are different. Yeah, we metabolize things differently. And there are 289 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: many varieties of potatoes, such a point selfie and so 290 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: often overlooked when talking about potatoes. And also whatever else 291 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: these other ads are and we are back are and 292 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: we are talking about how poor Alexander Berkman, who has 293 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: just shot and stabbed a dude, because I know, he 294 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: gets sentenced to twenty two years in prison. And while 295 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: he's in prison, he discovers his bisexuality, he has relationships 296 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: with fellow prisoners, and he he doesn't like prison. That's 297 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: like the highlight of prison for him. Um, he prison 298 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: sucks him up, Honestly, I'm not trying to make light 299 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: of it. Um. He becomes a prison activist and he 300 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: fights for conditions for the other prisoners. And because he's 301 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: constantly doing this, he's constantly in solitary confinement, often in 302 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: a straight jacket. Yeah. So his friends do what nineteenth 303 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: century anarchists did best, which is digging a tunnel. They 304 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: rent a house across the street from the jail and 305 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: they get to it, they dig through rocky soil, they 306 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: go some gas mane. It means they have to start 307 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: putting ventilation. Yeah no, they yeah that. This is another 308 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: theme of cool people who did cool stuff. Is that 309 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: a ton of people in the nineteenth century break out 310 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: of prison by digging tunnels. It's fucking wild and one 311 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: of the anarchists hangs out, well, everyone else is digging. 312 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: One person's job is to play piano and sing to 313 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: cover the sound of people digging. Oh my god, it's 314 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: like a cartoon, you know. And could you imagine what 315 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: that singing and played would be like if your soul 316 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: job is to cover the percussive sounds of digging. But 317 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: speaking of cartoon, unfortunately, on the day before the escape, 318 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: a random construction had dumped a load of stones in 319 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: blocking his path to the tunnel. Oh so he doesn't 320 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: get out through the tunnel. That is a cartoonish development, 321 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: I know. And then before the construction scared and he 322 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: can get out through the tunnel, some kids sneak into 323 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: the now empty house and they discover the tunnel. And 324 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 1: because there are a bunch of dumb snitch as kids, 325 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: they tell the grown ups, idiot kids. And so now 326 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: the tunnel is discovered into the jail, and there was 327 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: no proof that it was Berkman who had been trying 328 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: to escape, but the prison is like, whatever it was Berkman, 329 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: it was obviously Berkman. And he spends a year in 330 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: solitary instead of getting out and reuniting with his He 331 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: does get out after fourteen years in the end um, 332 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: but you know, legally, and the whole thing had probably 333 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: been a bad idea. Emma wrote Sasha at one point 334 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: and said, acts of violence, except as demonstrations of a 335 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: sensitive human soul, have proved utterly useless. So in the meantime, 336 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: while Sasha's in jail, Emma Goldman does two things. One, 337 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: she becomes a midwife. She goes to Vienna and she 338 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: studies Midwiffrey in nursing. And then she works in the 339 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: tenements and the immigrant populations at the Lower East Side 340 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: and later for the middle class US born progressive movement. Wow. 341 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: And it was partly this work that helps her realize 342 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: that this sort of all or nothing attitude that a 343 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: lot of like her male revolutionary comrades had was fucking bullshit. 344 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: Because reforms matter as she helps so many people give 345 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: birth and terrible conditions. She wrote, I saw that it 346 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: was a mockery to expect them to wait until the 347 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: social revolution arrives in order to write injustice mm hmmm, 348 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: that you can do tangible things right now, not just 349 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: talking about the big ideas. You can help people in 350 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: their lives right now, totally and like, and that's why 351 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: it matters that we make sure that people have access 352 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: to abortion and you know, all of those things. Like. 353 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: So she also becomes the US's most popular anarchist orator, 354 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: and she weaves both feminism and aestheticism into her speeches. 355 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: Basically her whole things like women are their own people, 356 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: and beauty matters for its own sake, and it is 357 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: important revolution and the right to beauty was as important 358 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: to her as the right to freedom is. Actually, what 359 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: she's most famous for today is there's a paraphrasing of 360 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: a quote of hers. The paraphrasing is, if I can't dance, 361 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: it's not my revolution. So by beauty she means like joy, yeah, totally, 362 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: and like aesthetic stuff too, Like she's like into like 363 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: literature and art and like, you know, she's like these 364 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: things matter, quality of life, matters. Yeah, absolutely. So one 365 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: day she's dancing at this party and these like very 366 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: serious man revolutionaries are chastising her for being too i 367 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: don't know, free and enjoy in her life. And she 368 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: said to them, or she said later about them, I 369 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: guess I did not believe that a cause which stood 370 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: for a beautiful ideal for anarchism, for release and freedom 371 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: from conventions and prejudice, should demand the denial of life. 372 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: And joy I insisted that our cause could not expect 373 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: me to become a nun, and that the movement should 374 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: not be turned into a cloister. And so this is 375 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: kind of how she ends up, kind of on the Well, 376 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: she's been part of the sexual liberation kick the entire 377 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: actual time. But and what's interesting is that, like all 378 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: of this stuff has been a big part of the 379 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,239 Speaker 1: left and anarchism the entire time, but it was not 380 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: being talked about as much by like the big name 381 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: important figureheads of history, but the people who were actually 382 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: like just trying to be revolutionaries and ship we're all 383 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: about this stuff. Yeah, the newspapers and communities were constantly 384 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: discussing it, and they did more than discuss sex constantly, 385 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: and at one point this older European anarchist Peter Kapacken. 386 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: He's like anarchist Santa Clause, I don't know. He visits 387 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: and he asks why the newspapers are wasting so much 388 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: time talking about sex here in America. Emma Goldman said, 389 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: all right, dear comrade, when I've reached your age, the 390 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: sex question may no longer be of importance to me, 391 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: but it is now. H I love her, I love her. 392 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: I know. So Okay. It's not just that she was 393 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: down to funk or whatever, but it says she read 394 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: as they're fighting for society based on cooperation, and the 395 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: cooperation is born out of love and love, family relationships, 396 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: all of that, what those things look like is of 397 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: paramount importance. And she was also down to fuck. Her 398 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: quote is can there be anything more outrageous than the 399 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: idea of a healthy, grown woman full of life and passion. 400 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: Must deny nature's demand, must subdue her most intense craving, 401 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: undermine her health and break her spirit, must stunt her vision, 402 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: abstain from the depth and glory of sex experience until 403 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: a quote good man comes along to take her onto 404 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: himself as a wife. Totally fine. A sex before Mary incredible, 405 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: but she wasn't part of the suffrage movement because she 406 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: didn't like states. She considered the right to vote to 407 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: be a distraction, and she also saw that a lot 408 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: of the American suffragettes were very puritan and flavor at 409 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: this point. Especially at this point, as a block women 410 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: supported the Comstock laws. Actually, even though Comstock fucking hated women. 411 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: The voting block of some of the first women to 412 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: vote in America also disenfranchised sex workers and supported prohibition. 413 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: And Emma Goldman was against the prohibition movement the banning 414 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: of alcohol sales. She said, quote it sanctions the spread 415 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: of drunkenness among men and women of the rich class, 416 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: yet keeps vigilant watch on the only place left to 417 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: the poor man, basically saying like, when you make ship illegal, 418 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: the rich people get to do it and the poor 419 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: people don't. Yeah, alright, one more quote. It's not the Latin. 420 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: We'll pretend it's one more quote. Her feminism can be 421 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: summed up in her own quote. Her development, her freedom, 422 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: her independence must come from and through herself, first by 423 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 1: asserting herself as a personality and not as a sex commodity. Second, 424 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: by refusing the right of anyone over her body, by 425 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: refusing to bear children unless she wants them, by refusing 426 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: to be a servant to God, the state, society, the husband, 427 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: the family, etcetera. By making her life simpler but deeper 428 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 1: and richer. So I like her. I like what she 429 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: has to say. And she incapable of not running a 430 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: foul with the law, which is fair since she her 431 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: whole purpose is to do away with the concept of 432 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: a society based on top down laws. In three, she 433 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: was incited for Sorry, she was arrested for inciting a 434 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: riot because she'd um incited a riot. She told a 435 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: crowd of three thousand hungry people. This is during a 436 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: whole bunch of hunger and starvation was happening in the US. 437 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: She told the crowd, demonstrate before the palaces of the rich. 438 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: Demand work. If they do not give you work, demand bread. 439 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: If they deny you both take bread. It's like feudal England, 440 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: all a working class people rising up and showing at 441 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: the gates of the wealthy landowners, you know, the lords, 442 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: and demanding Yeah, yeah, totally. And when she was arrested 443 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: for for this, she was arrested like a week later, 444 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: they caught up with her, and I think Philly, even 445 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: though I think the speech had been in New York. 446 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: The arresting all Sir has her in a train and 447 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: basically says like, snitch on your buds and we'll drop 448 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: your charges, which m en gooldman does not do. Yeah, 449 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I doubt she takes that deal. Yeah, 450 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: No one said she throws a class of ice water 451 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: into his face. Did you get sentenced to a year 452 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: in prison? Which she served. The press dubbed her the 453 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: modern drone of arc for this. It just increased her 454 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: fame in reach and like when she gets out of jail, 455 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: it helps with her speaking tours and it it also 456 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: sucks up with her health. And I'm sure it's sucked, 457 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: but like overall it it worked. It's sort of in 458 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: her favor in a way. But the next time she 459 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: goes to jail, or the next time I'm going to 460 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: say about the time she goes to jail did not 461 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: work in her favor. N One, an anarchist named Leon 462 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: show Gosh, assassinated President William McKinley. And this was not 463 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: a very strategic move, to say the least. Show Gosh 464 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: wasn't really part of the anarchist movement, even though he 465 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: was an anarchist. I'm trying to claim he wasn't, but 466 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: he was. He was a poor man, the son of 467 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: Polish immigrants, who had had enough with the whole system 468 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: and decided basically to go shoot a guy. He'd actually 469 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: been kept out of the anarchist movement because he kept 470 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: sketching people out. He basically would like show up and 471 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: be like, hey, guys, you want to like do some crime. 472 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: I love that description of someone sketching all the anarchists out. Yeah, totally. 473 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: So no one wants to play with him. So he 474 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: just goes. He finds McKenley, and he shoots him in 475 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: the gut, and this kills McKenley. It takes a couple 476 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,239 Speaker 1: of weeks, I think it. McKenley eventually dies of an 477 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: infection caused by the wound, and the left in general, 478 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: including a lot of the anarchists, rushed to distance themselves 479 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: from from Leon shows I'm a Goldman, though she refused 480 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: to condemn his action, even though she didn't she didn't 481 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 1: think it was a good idea, and she'd also got 482 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: blamed for inspiring him because under investing under probably torture. 483 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: He said that he had like seen him a Goldman speak, 484 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: you know. But Emma Goldman saw the assassination as cause 485 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: and effect. You treat people like ship long enough, someone 486 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: might fucking shoot you. And this time the press call 487 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: her the high Priestess of anarchy. It's also not a 488 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: bad title, not at all. That's actually a very sick title. 489 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: But of course they did that. Cho Gosh was tried 490 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: and executed. He he never repented. His last words were, 491 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: I killed the president because he was the enemy of 492 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: the good people, the good working people. I am not 493 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: sorry for my crime. I am sorry. I could not 494 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: see my father because his father didn't come to see him, 495 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 1: because his father was like, sorry, kid. Yeah. Emma Goldman 496 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,639 Speaker 1: was arrested for this. There was no evidence connecting her 497 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: to the crime, and after two weeks in custody she 498 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: was released. And once again, this assassination fox the anarchist 499 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: movement up um. Roosevelt comes into office and basically says, 500 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna funk up all the anarchists and 501 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: everyone who was sympathetic to the anarchist That's like his 502 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: first thing, which I mean fair right. There are the 503 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: people who are just killed his predecessor. He he passes 504 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: the Anarchist Exclusion Act of nineteen o that says you 505 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: can't immigrate to the U. S If you're an anarchist. 506 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: And because of this crackdown and basically how wildly unpopular 507 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: the assassination was, anarchism goes from it used to be 508 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: the leading leftist tendency within the United States and it 509 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: falls behind a more reformist socialism after this, as people 510 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: are like, oh, yeah, that's wow. Yeah, yeah, I guess 511 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, it kind of. I'm with Emma Goldman. 512 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, it is what it is. You know. It's 513 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: like I mean, I am too, but I mean, when 514 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: when you're sketching it out, like it makes sense how 515 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: public perception of what uh being an anarchist means or 516 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: why is lost because of you know, the way it's framed. 517 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: And then but yeah, I am also, but I think 518 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: that a lot of people identifies that. Like now, it's 519 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: a conversation that comes up a lot on Twitter, a 520 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: different version of it, let's say, you know it. Yeah anyway, yeah, 521 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: I I do tend to agree like, yeah, well he 522 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: was a bad man and support this person's actions per 523 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: se to say, because I think it's a bad idea. 524 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: But if you're a bad person and you're doing that, 525 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: what do you expect um someone might snap? I remember 526 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: during the I think it's like the two thousand eight 527 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: financial crash instead of the more recent financial crash or whatever. 528 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: And there are all of these like headlines in the 529 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: UK that were like, some people broke up bank owners window, 530 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: like at his bed, at his house, and I'm kind 531 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: of like, I'm not like that. It doesn't solve anything, 532 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: right to go and break this bank owner's window. What 533 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: do you? Yeah, what do you fucking want? You? Just 534 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: like you just sucking drove millions of people into poverty 535 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: and they broke your window? Powerless? Like yeah, I mean 536 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: the same conversation during Black Lives Matter here and protests 537 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: and the way everything was framed, especially here in Los Angeles, 538 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: and yeah, totally Los Angeles, a lot of what do 539 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: you expect? No, I do feel bad. I do. I 540 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: feel bad for that mom and pop restaurant. I'm really 541 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: glad they have insurance to cover it. But these the 542 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: that's it's gonna suck to clean up this mess. But 543 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: eyes on the prize much more important, And why are 544 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: people upset anyway? No, totally. So Emma Goldman goes on 545 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: to do I mean she does so much ship that 546 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: I could easily do a two parter just on her. 547 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: She travels around, She lectures and midwives midwife midwifferies helps 548 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: deliver babies. She mid whiffs it. Yeah, yeah, uh, nothing 549 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: mid about. I'm gonna try and use slang just to 550 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: make everyone cringe. Nothing mid about her whiff. Nope, So 551 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: he's giving me the No I like it. No, I 552 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: think I full support. All right, this is safe space, 553 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I know what's listening. She she falls 554 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: in love with this hobo doctor guy who specializes in 555 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: treating venereal to these, named Ben Rightman. She runs a 556 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: magazine called mother Earth that combines anarchism with cultural issues, 557 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: literary criticism, poetry, and the arts in general. Her politics 558 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: shift away from individual acts of violence and away even 559 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: from mass movements and towards popular education. She starts talking 560 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: to a more middle class crowd, which pisces off a 561 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: lot of her friends, but she stays a percent down 562 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: for the cause. So whatever, people can hate whatever. And 563 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: then the reason we're talking about her in today's episode, 564 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: The Modern Birth control movement kicks off and Emma Goldman 565 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: jumps in from the ground floor. The birth control movement 566 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: got its name from a guy named Auto Bobsky, but 567 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: it was popularized by Margaret Sanger and also by the anarchists. 568 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: And Emma Goldman did a lot for birth control, but 569 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: she didn't suffer for it like some of the other 570 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: people I'm talking about. She suffered for other things. Everything 571 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: was all tied together for her. All of these different 572 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: issues boiled down to oppression and people having power over 573 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: other people. So nineteen fifteen, she goes on a nation 574 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: wide speaking tour talking about contraception, which was not legal 575 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: for her to do. She distributes texts written by her 576 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,959 Speaker 1: home a boyfriend and also by Margaret Sanger about how 577 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: to not have kids, which is also not legal. So 578 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: in February eleven, she was arrested for violating the comp 579 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: stock laws. That fucking asshole back in the story, fucking asshole, 580 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: I'd almost forgotten about him. I know, I know will 581 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: die in four years. Um. She refuses to pay a 582 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: hundred dollar fine, and she spends two weeks in prison, 583 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't want to go to prison 584 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: for two weeks, but it doesn't compare with what other 585 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: folks ended up facing. So no, of course, to fast 586 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: forward her life after birth control, she gets involved in 587 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: and by that I mean there's several more paragraphs better. 588 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: I really loved her so much. Cool she she did. 589 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: But she gets involved in the Anti Conscription League in 590 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: New York Um during World War One, because everything is 591 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: better when you add league to the end of your 592 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: causes name. It definitely makes it more official or fun sounding. Maybe, 593 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: and he probably have capes. You know, I thought you 594 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: said cakes, but capes. Capes and capes. I'll take both. Yeah. Yeah. 595 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 1: Once it's a society, you move up from capes to cloaks. 596 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: I think fair and honestly, who wants to hang out 597 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: with those types? I know, I know. The league is 598 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: where the funds at. They play, they get drunk. Yeah, 599 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,479 Speaker 1: they eat cake, cake, they scream as they eat cake 600 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 1: in their fancy capes. Yeah. This is going to tie in. Well, okay, 601 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: So as much as the government doesn't like birth control, 602 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: it really does not like antimilitarism. She's basically going around saying, hey, 603 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: you don't have to you can fight conscription. You don't 604 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: have to go fight in this war. On June fifteen, 605 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: her and Berkman. He's still around. They're still pals. Uh. 606 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: They get arrested in an office full of propaganda, and 607 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: according to the nineteen seventeen New York Times article about 608 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 1: their arrest, she asked if she could go put on 609 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: a more presentable out it for her arrest. Okay, they 610 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: say yes. She goes upstairs to a room and she 611 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: comes out wearing a royal purple gown. Because that's kind 612 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,879 Speaker 1: of lady she is. I love it. And then, even 613 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,280 Speaker 1: though she did not, to my knowledge, invent a system 614 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: of dates to replace A D and B C, she 615 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: did represent herself and Berkman in court, and possibly because 616 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: she didn't come up with a system of dates to 617 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: replace A D and b C, she fails. She does 618 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: not successfully defend them in court. They lose, and they 619 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 1: both get two years in prison. Two years man. He 620 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in jail. While Imagleman's in prison, 621 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,240 Speaker 1: she makes friends with another anarchist woman who's in prison 622 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: for smuggling bombs onto a train to go not to 623 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: blow up the train, but to go blow up up 624 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: I don't know somebody important, probably, and also a socialist 625 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: woman and they team up despite their differences. They're different 626 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: political ideas, and they fight for better conditions for the inmates. 627 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: Um which is the TV show that I want to 628 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: watch out of all of this. No, I mean this 629 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: one's good too. Yeah, they get out. They caught up 630 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: in the first Red Scare pretty much immediately and you 631 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,360 Speaker 1: can't get a break here, No, they really can't. Along 632 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: with more than five other anarchists and communists, they get deported. 633 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: I think it's something like the Palmer Raids. I think 634 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 1: it's something like ten people get arrested, and basically it's like, 635 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: you're a filthy comedy, get the funk out of the country. 636 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 1: They get sent back to Russia, where both of them 637 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: are originally from. And they're actually excited about this, right 638 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: because it's nine and Russia is seving a revolution and 639 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,479 Speaker 1: they're like, we like revolutions, maybe this one will be good. 640 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: So they go there and they're actually again excited. The 641 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,760 Speaker 1: Bolshevik Revolution was very like contentious among the left in general, 642 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: but like overall, even the people who don't like the state, 643 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: like the anarchists, were like, well, let's see where they're 644 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: going with this, right, So they get there and then 645 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: they realized that the Bolsheviks suck there. They're banning free speech, 646 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,240 Speaker 1: workers are in shitty conditions. Everyone fighting for better conditions 647 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: gets fucking branded account of revolutionary and thrown in jail. 648 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: People are getting murdered by the Bolsheviks, all the anarchists 649 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: are getting rounded up. It just it sucks. So they 650 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: get out and sounds like bullshit. Ship Okay, I'm mean 651 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: to do it. That's the best thing ever to come 652 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,919 Speaker 1: out of this podcast that sounds sarcastic but actually like it. Okay, 653 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,399 Speaker 1: I feel like that's another probably beingo thing is Margaret talks. 654 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: And so they wander. Basically they wander around Canada, Europe 655 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,439 Speaker 1: just or like they don't have a place because they don't. 656 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 1: They can't. They're not trying to hang out in Russia. 657 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: They're not allowed back in the US, and they just 658 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,240 Speaker 1: keep getting kicked out of different places and wandering around. 659 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: Alexander Berkman dies in six He takes his own life 660 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: after a bout of illness and some unsuccessful surgeries. He's 661 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: basically like fucking him in pain and he side stand it. 662 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: Emma Goldman is in a different city and when she 663 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: finds out he's dying. He like kind of doesn't. I 664 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 1: try not to talk about the details of suicide on 665 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: the show, but he like doesn't succeed right away, right 666 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: and he takes a little while fromim to die. Um, 667 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 1: so he's he's sick, you know, basically. So Emma Goldman 668 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 1: rushes to a different city too to be by his 669 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 1: side as he dies, and he recognizes her but he 670 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: can't speak, and then he falls into a comma and dies. 671 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,319 Speaker 1: But then the silver lining to all of this, she's 672 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: sixty nine years or I don't know she's old. She's 673 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: in her late sixties at this point. A few weeks 674 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 1: after Berkman dies, Emma Goldman gets to go live her dream, 675 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: the thing that she's been fighting for her entire life, 676 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: because the Spanish Civil War alumni of the show, Spanish 677 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 1: Civil War has broken out, and she moves to Barcelona 678 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: and she spends three years living in an anarchist society 679 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: made up of millions of people. Um. And she told 680 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: the workers there, this actually gets to your point earlier. 681 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: You're talking about people kind of misunderstand in anarchism and 682 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: show Gosh's not helping that. She tells the workers they're 683 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: your revolution will destroy forever, the notion that anarchism stands 684 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 1: for chaos. Yeah, and I wish that were It does 685 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: prove it to anyone who looks at the Spanish Civil War, 686 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: but that history gets buried. That's really beautiful that she 687 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: got to go there and experience that. I know, it 688 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: makes me really happy. Like did she die there? No, 689 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: she died shortly after the fascist takeover. She flees to Canada. 690 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:35,279 Speaker 1: Sucking fascists, I know they're sucking everywhere. Um, and she 691 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: dies I think within a year or something less than 692 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: that of of having to leave Spain. But if I 693 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: make it to seventy and get to spend most of 694 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: the last three years of my life living in an 695 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: in an anarchist society, Like how many fucking happy, especially 696 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: back then? Yeah totally, you know, yeah yeah uh. In 697 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,720 Speaker 1: she dies from a stroke in Toronto. The US actually 698 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: gives permission for her body to be returned to the 699 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: States and she's buried next to the Haymarket Martyrs in 700 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: in Illinois, the people whose deaths were the reason that 701 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 1: she went on this whole crazy journey that was her life. 702 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: So just need to point out traveling was so hard. 703 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,760 Speaker 1: Also shout out to her for not dying of TV. 704 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: Has not died of TV or didn't die of TV entirely. 705 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,280 Speaker 1: But the amount of time and commitment energy to uplift 706 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: your life, to uproot everything and go to all these 707 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,280 Speaker 1: different environments is pretty wild if you think about it 708 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: took to achieve your dreams like this, to achieve this, 709 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: the amount of work to get to anyway. Yeah, is 710 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: she the one that started in Vienna? Or am I 711 00:40:53,719 --> 00:41:01,439 Speaker 1: confusing people's narratives here? Now? She started in um Lithuania, Lithuania, 712 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 1: I met somebody went to Vienna to study Midwiffrey or something. Oh, yes, yes, 713 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: this is I mean just that Lithuania, then in America, 714 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: and then you're off to Vienna to study, and then 715 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 1: you're coming back and everything that's happened, that's as a 716 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: poor woman woman. Yeah, at this time, it just it 717 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: really does blow my mind. The sheer magnetitus, the sheer 718 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,000 Speaker 1: strength of will and fortitude you have to do to 719 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: accomplish literally anything but and not die of TV and 720 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: not die of TV. And speaking of dying of TV, 721 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 1: you know what time it is, Margaret. Yeah, I was 722 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,439 Speaker 1: trying to come up with I had it all head 723 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: in my head where I was going to be like, 724 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: how do we go with? Okay, you know who else 725 00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:51,439 Speaker 1: takes a lot of your time and energy? Advertising said, 726 00:41:52,680 --> 00:42:01,440 Speaker 1: and here is some more of that, and we are 727 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,480 Speaker 1: Batman and we have just left. I'm a Goldman resting 728 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: comfortably in the ground after a long life and now 729 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: in Illinois. It's sort of a she deserves it. Yeah, 730 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of a place of pilgrimage. A lot of 731 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: people go out there and see um the martyrs and 732 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 1: her and Lucy Parsons and all these other people. And 733 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,959 Speaker 1: and so I don't know entirely how much credit Ama 734 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: Goldman deserves for invigorating the birth control movement, because everyone 735 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 1: likes her so much that anything she touches, people like 736 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: Ama Goldman was there, you know. And I mean she 737 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: went on a nationwide speaking to her and got arrested 738 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,439 Speaker 1: for it, right, And but I just literally can't other 739 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 1: people do know. I'm not saying it's unknown. I'm saying 740 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. But she might have been a footnote 741 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: who gets written in all the stories because everyone thinks 742 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: she's so cool, or she might have been a more 743 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,479 Speaker 1: central player. She had in her hands and a lot 744 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: of pies because she was so good at getting things 745 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: off the ground. It's as possible that her influence is 746 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,719 Speaker 1: a huge reason why things got off the ground. But 747 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: she didn't stay in the particular fight for birth control 748 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: because she was too busy getting repressed and being kicked 749 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: out of various countries. Other people stayed in the fight. 750 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 1: The most famous of these is the most complicated person 751 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:23,799 Speaker 1: going to talk about today, Margaret Sanger. Oh yeah, I 752 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 1: always want to root for a Margaret. Problem is that 753 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 1: fifty percent of the women with um English or Irish 754 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,919 Speaker 1: names in history are Margaret's and of those fifty another 755 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: fifty percent are probably bad. Yeah, there's a lot of 756 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:44,440 Speaker 1: notably bad ones. And Margaret, this Margaret not not me, Margaret. 757 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm only two good things, but you are the exception 758 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,200 Speaker 1: to the role this. Margaret does both good and bad things. 759 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: Oh so, Margaret Sanger most famous as the for two things. 760 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,760 Speaker 1: Margat Sanger is famous as the founder of planned parenthood 761 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 1: and for being a eugenicist. Just to get that out 762 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: of the way, and we'll talk about both those. When 763 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: she was young, she flirted with anarchism briefly and was 764 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,800 Speaker 1: influenced by it and ran a newspaper called the Woman 765 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,359 Speaker 1: Rebel No God's No Masters, No God's no Masters, being 766 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,879 Speaker 1: a common anarchist slogan. But she then moves away from 767 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:24,800 Speaker 1: socialism and further into eu genesis. Eugenis bad stuff. Genesism. 768 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 1: She wasn't a white supremacist, she was actually far from it, 769 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:33,760 Speaker 1: but she absolutely helped white supremacism by helping the broader 770 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,800 Speaker 1: eugenics movement, which has done irreparable harm to marginalized people. 771 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 1: The right wing likes to misrepresent her beliefs and like 772 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: claim that she was like actively racist, but she she 773 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: did not believe in a racial component to eugenics. She 774 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: fought to stamp out bigotry in the movement, and she 775 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,839 Speaker 1: worked with black black leaders constantly. Um, but it kind 776 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:59,760 Speaker 1: of doesn't matter because intentions, well what part of okay? 777 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: Because because okay, yeah, well one of the most complicated things. 778 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 1: I actually kind of tried to write this whole thing. 779 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: At first, I was like, I'm just not gonna talk 780 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 1: about Margaret Singer. I'm gonna stop everything. And then I 781 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: was like, because I because it's so fucking messy. But 782 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 1: the thing that I learned is that, um, the first 783 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 1: time I learned This is a little while ago, and 784 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: it blew my mind. The left was also really into 785 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: eugenics back in the day, and they were into different 786 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,319 Speaker 1: types of eugenics depending on the leftist, but certainly the 787 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,760 Speaker 1: anti authoritarian left was into sort of eugenics by choice. 788 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: People like, if workers choose to have fewer children than 789 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:41,040 Speaker 1: the the workers will have more power at the bargaining 790 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 1: table because there's fewer of them and the capitalists need 791 00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: them more, and ship like that. Weird, Yeah, weird a 792 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,840 Speaker 1: is a a really good way to put it. But 793 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 1: Margaret Sanger does go beyond that and leaves the non 794 00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 1: coercive eugenics, which a ton of famous popular people that 795 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 1: people avoid talking about as eugenicists were into. It was everywhere. 796 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,799 Speaker 1: It was everywhere. I mean, I'm doing I'm working on 797 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 1: something right now, and the person who creative b am I. 798 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 1: It all fed into eugenicists handed that you know and study, 799 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: taking study of people and finding an average and that's 800 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: the ideal. But you're of portion only studying white men, 801 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,400 Speaker 1: and then everything below is underweight and everything above is overweight. 802 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,839 Speaker 1: And that is literally R B M I to this day. 803 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,320 Speaker 1: But it was also baked in and informed all sorts 804 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 1: of eugenicists. And so my point being is like, yes, 805 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:45,239 Speaker 1: it's sneakily is in healthcare and then in public policy, 806 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,760 Speaker 1: uh you know, and and you know criminal justice everywhere 807 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,720 Speaker 1: all the aspects of society. No, totally, yeah, and and 808 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,399 Speaker 1: and I keep talking about in history mustly because that's 809 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: what I look at. But it is absolutely right, like 810 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,919 Speaker 1: used up to the present day in a lot of ways. 811 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:08,399 Speaker 1: It usually doesn't use that name anymore, right, um, but right, yeah, anyway, yep. 812 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: So Margaret Sanger she was the child of socialist Irish immigrants, 813 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,040 Speaker 1: and like Emma Goldman, she was a nurse practicing on 814 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 1: the Lower East Side of Manhattan. She illegally distributed information 815 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,239 Speaker 1: about birth control to people in the tenements. And she 816 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,040 Speaker 1: might have been abortionist at this time, but because I 817 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,279 Speaker 1: read about how she helped women quote, terminate their pregnancies. 818 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,720 Speaker 1: But the other thing is that she was actually fairly 819 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,880 Speaker 1: anti abortion, which I had no idea. She only believed 820 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,040 Speaker 1: in abortion when it was necessary to save the mother's life. 821 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 1: Her whole thing about birth control was this way, we 822 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,439 Speaker 1: don't need abortion. Well, right, that is what planned parenthood 823 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: continues to be. It's like, well, we're providing a service 824 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 1: which reduces abortions. Yeah, it's Margaret's magazine, the woman Rebel 825 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,680 Speaker 1: that sparks the birth control movement. Or rather it was 826 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,560 Speaker 1: calm Stock, his his final act, his repression of it, 827 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 1: that sparks the birth control movement. Route that the year 828 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,080 Speaker 1: before he died, Anthony Comstock was after her, so he's 829 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: still working in his fucking seventies, sucking asshole. She's a 830 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,640 Speaker 1: wanted woman. She's facing twenty years in prison for running 831 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,319 Speaker 1: a magazine. So she decides to do what many wise 832 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,359 Speaker 1: people have done, and she fucks off out of the country. Sure, 833 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,520 Speaker 1: she goes up to Canada and then gets a forged 834 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,000 Speaker 1: passport and heads over to England. But the case brings 835 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: out a ton of supporters and a real movement starts forming. 836 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,960 Speaker 1: So she comes home to face the music stand trial 837 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,440 Speaker 1: and the government looked at all of her supporters and 838 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:33,240 Speaker 1: we're like fuck this, and they dropped the charges. Wow, 839 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: Which is why it's good to have a movement behind you. Yeah, 840 00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 1: it's also good to be rowdy enough that being behind 841 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,120 Speaker 1: someone actually makes things matter, because if you know, if 842 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,319 Speaker 1: millions of people mar march to stop the invasion of 843 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,600 Speaker 1: I rock in two thousand three to do ship. It 844 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:55,359 Speaker 1: really depends on the context here, but yeah, yea, so 845 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,200 Speaker 1: now free. In nineteen sixteen, she opens the first birth 846 00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,239 Speaker 1: control clinic in the US in Brooklyn, and it was 847 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,799 Speaker 1: opened nine days before the cops raided and arrested the 848 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,759 Speaker 1: entire staff, including Margaret, which makes her even more of 849 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,680 Speaker 1: a hero, and she uses that fame to start a 850 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 1: new magazine called The Birth Control Review, which talks about 851 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:19,760 Speaker 1: birth control and about eugenics and about sterilizing unfit people. 852 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,880 Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh boy, it's it's basically after as far 853 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: as I can tells, after World War One that she 854 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 1: becomes like a eugenicist and starts believing in course of eugenics, 855 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,680 Speaker 1: and she leaves socialism and anarchism far behind, falls into 856 00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:39,040 Speaker 1: this nonsense. And at the beginning she started off saying 857 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:43,200 Speaker 1: women should be quote the absolute mistress of her own body. 858 00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 1: And then at the end she talks about wanting a 859 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,280 Speaker 1: government department that overseas who gets to have babies. Oh, 860 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,160 Speaker 1: this is bad, this isn't This isn't like light eugenics. 861 00:49:55,200 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 1: This is like eugenics I know and like. And part 862 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,759 Speaker 1: of the problem about researching her is that everyone either 863 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,319 Speaker 1: really likes her really hates her, and so if you 864 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,839 Speaker 1: really like her, you downplay all over eugenics, and if 865 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,400 Speaker 1: you really hate or you play them up or you 866 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,239 Speaker 1: play up the racist elements of them. Right. So it's 867 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,919 Speaker 1: hard to find out some of this stuff because it's 868 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,680 Speaker 1: so biased. But this, this thing that she's saying is 869 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,879 Speaker 1: not particularly controversial. This whole government should decide who gets 870 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,640 Speaker 1: to sucking babies, if anything, that's probably least controversial than 871 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:31,200 Speaker 1: less controversial than like in birth control. Yeah, well, I 872 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 1: mean actually, and that's like something that I kind of 873 00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:34,759 Speaker 1: don't quite get to in this script because I don't 874 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,319 Speaker 1: feel like I don't have I didn't have enough time 875 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,839 Speaker 1: to really do it justice but now pretended to adjustice us. Now. 876 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,239 Speaker 1: One of the things that I realized is that, um, 877 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,640 Speaker 1: the shift towards birth control, like as soon as like 878 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 1: birth control started winning, then the government's like, yeah, yeah, 879 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,680 Speaker 1: birth control, birth control, we can use it to make 880 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:56,160 Speaker 1: the master race, you know. Yeah, And so I don't 881 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:01,120 Speaker 1: know what, Okay, I mean, that was a good point. Yeah, thanks. Um. 882 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 1: So it doesn't feel like a coincidence to me though, 883 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 1: that she's moving away from socialism and anarchism as she 884 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,080 Speaker 1: moves into eugenics, and in ninety Margaret Singer called for 885 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,640 Speaker 1: a birth strike to reduce over population, hoping to avert 886 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,400 Speaker 1: faminine war. Right. But the thing is is that the 887 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,560 Speaker 1: left at least now understands a few things about overpopulation. First, 888 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,960 Speaker 1: and most importantly, the world isn't lacking in food. The 889 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,239 Speaker 1: world is lacking in equitable distribution of food. Yes. And secondly, 890 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,120 Speaker 1: something that we know this because of actually work of 891 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 1: people like Margaret Sanger and Emma Goldman all these other people, 892 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,000 Speaker 1: is that when people have access to family planning, it 893 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:42,040 Speaker 1: actually does curbt population growth. And there's no need for 894 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,759 Speaker 1: any institution. No institution needs to direct or control it. 895 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,040 Speaker 1: You literally say, hey, people who are capable of having babies, 896 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,200 Speaker 1: here's how you choose whether or not to have a baby, 897 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,440 Speaker 1: and the population levels off. If that matters to you, 898 00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,520 Speaker 1: that is how it is done, and that is how 899 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:02,920 Speaker 1: it is effectively done. Like, I really, I don't know 900 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,919 Speaker 1: I get worked up about that. I mean, as you should. Yeah, 901 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:08,960 Speaker 1: as we also, I mean we all know, I know, 902 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,520 Speaker 1: we all relate to this. I mean it's just it's 903 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,719 Speaker 1: wild to be sitting here talking about it. So absolutely, 904 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 1: and that this is still the conversation and next birth 905 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,359 Speaker 1: controls right now, but the next one up is I mean, 906 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,920 Speaker 1: abortions up right now. But the next up is birth people. 907 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:29,160 Speaker 1: And it's mad. It feels I don't like to be 908 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:34,880 Speaker 1: careful about language choice, but it truly feels madness, Like 909 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,879 Speaker 1: it's madness. What are we doing? It's my body? Yeah, 910 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,200 Speaker 1: And I mean it kind of reminds me because I 911 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,400 Speaker 1: feel like they'll come for birth control and then start 912 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,520 Speaker 1: continue to do force sterilization, which we'll get to in 913 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 1: a little bit, and it, frankly, it reminds me of 914 00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,120 Speaker 1: Nazi Germany, where they specifically were like, actually, Nazi Germany 915 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,640 Speaker 1: was one of the countries that legalized some abortion because 916 00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:01,440 Speaker 1: they really wanted unfit people to have abortions. And uh 917 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:06,080 Speaker 1: and then of course, yeah, of course they did. So anyway, 918 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 1: she has an American Birth Control League, which in two 919 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:14,399 Speaker 1: becomes Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood today makes it absolutely clear 920 00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,200 Speaker 1: that they disavow Sanger's eu genesis beliefs and is like 921 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,920 Speaker 1: upfront about being like, this is the incredible amount of 922 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,400 Speaker 1: harm that those beliefs did. But Sanger dies in nineteen 923 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,440 Speaker 1: sixty six, the year after the Supreme Court legalizes birth control, 924 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,520 Speaker 1: and which I believe, and I didn't write this down 925 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:34,760 Speaker 1: in my notes, so this is unsourced. Um that that judgment, 926 00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,600 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court judgment that legalized birth control, relies on 927 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,280 Speaker 1: a very similar the same concept as Roe v. Wade, 928 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,000 Speaker 1: which comes after. But yeah, and so I want to say, 929 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,640 Speaker 1: I'm like glad she got to see birth control become legal, 930 00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,520 Speaker 1: but I only like her in the first act. So 931 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:54,320 Speaker 1: I kind of don't give a ship. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, well, 932 00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:00,839 Speaker 1: ultimately you sucked. So I mean, from a storytelling perspective, sure, 933 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,239 Speaker 1: we like to see people have payoff for the things 934 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,879 Speaker 1: they've worked for. And it is undoubtedly a good thing 935 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,720 Speaker 1: that absolutely worked for ye, but the rest of it's bad. 936 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:20,439 Speaker 1: So I don't really care about her. Yeah, no, totally. Yeah, 937 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:25,640 Speaker 1: Like it kind of evens out. Yeah, I don't actively 938 00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,640 Speaker 1: hate her, but I don't like her either, So yeah, totally. Again, 939 00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,080 Speaker 1: it was It was funny because before I started researching this, 940 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,480 Speaker 1: I was like, oh God, I'm gonna have to fucking 941 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to cover margat Sine. Yeah, I'm not 942 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,080 Speaker 1: looking forward to this. Also because I like knew that 943 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,600 Speaker 1: she was involved with the anarchists. I'm not proud of that. 944 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,640 Speaker 1: So I'm like, uh, you know, yeah, you're like, don't 945 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,200 Speaker 1: give us a bad name. But then there's another weird 946 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,800 Speaker 1: part of me where I planned parent is not perfect, 947 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,759 Speaker 1: but I'm kind of like it was cool started by 948 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,560 Speaker 1: someone who you say, no guys, no masters or whatever. 949 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:59,760 Speaker 1: You know, Um, yeah, it is cool. So it's both things. 950 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,240 Speaker 1: So she's a good segue to move from talking about 951 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,400 Speaker 1: the yea the right to not have children, to the 952 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,959 Speaker 1: dark legacy of the same fight, the second fight people 953 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:12,400 Speaker 1: out of wage the right to have children. So I 954 00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:17,200 Speaker 1: want to talk about Fannie Lou Townsend Hammer, who is 955 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:18,960 Speaker 1: not part of the dark side of the story, or 956 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,319 Speaker 1: rather the dark side of story happens to her. But 957 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,840 Speaker 1: she's sucking awesome. She's cool people who did cool stuff 958 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:30,279 Speaker 1: like no, no, I feel complicated, just no qualifications. She's 959 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,680 Speaker 1: up there with Ezra Heywood and Emma Goldman like and 960 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,399 Speaker 1: she's born on October six in Mississippi. She's the last 961 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,560 Speaker 1: of twenty children born to a black sharecrupping couple. I 962 00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,120 Speaker 1: know by the time she was six she wasn't working 963 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,560 Speaker 1: in the fields picking cotton. By the time she was twelve, 964 00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,880 Speaker 1: after sixth grade, she quits school for work. Her parents 965 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,200 Speaker 1: ruled they taught their kids to be proud to be black, 966 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,600 Speaker 1: and her mom carried a handgun around to protect her 967 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,040 Speaker 1: kids from the white landowners who were like often would 968 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:04,560 Speaker 1: beat black kids. Yeah. In one Fanny leu Hammer had 969 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,120 Speaker 1: surgery to remove a uterine tumor, and while she was 970 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,200 Speaker 1: under the white doctor gave her hysterectomy without her consent. 971 00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:16,640 Speaker 1: This racist sterilization was really, really fucking common. Fanny coined 972 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:22,080 Speaker 1: a word for it, the Mississippi a pendectomy, And she 973 00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,359 Speaker 1: later said that in Sunflower County Hospital, I would say 974 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,200 Speaker 1: that six out of ten of the Negro women that 975 00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,120 Speaker 1: go to the hospital are sterilized with their tubes tied. Yeah, 976 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 1: and this ship still happens yep. And after this she 977 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,359 Speaker 1: becomes one of the most important figures in the civil 978 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,719 Speaker 1: rights movement. In nineteen sixty two, she went on a 979 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,240 Speaker 1: bus with the Student Unviolent Coordinating Committee to register to vote. 980 00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,200 Speaker 1: All seventeen passengers on the bus were refused since they 981 00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,680 Speaker 1: failed literacy tests that were imposed by Jim Crow laws. 982 00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,200 Speaker 1: They got pulled over and find a hundred dollars for 983 00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,239 Speaker 1: the nonsense charge of the bus was too yellow and 984 00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,400 Speaker 1: they weren't allowed to leave. Yeah, the like, I mean 985 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,160 Speaker 1: the costs. Just like, let's go funk over those people 986 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,480 Speaker 1: they pull over the bus. They're like, a bus is 987 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,400 Speaker 1: too yellow. I don't know why they have that accent, 988 00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,960 Speaker 1: and your boss is too yellow. Gotta give us a 989 00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,719 Speaker 1: hundred bucks before you go on your way. Just I 990 00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,080 Speaker 1: didn't do the calculations like I sometimes do, But it's 991 00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,440 Speaker 1: a lot of sucking money. They and they they scraped 992 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,880 Speaker 1: together the money before they were able to leave. She 993 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,439 Speaker 1: gets home and her boss fires her from her share 994 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,480 Speaker 1: cropping job because she was a you know, dangerous rabble rouser, 995 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,640 Speaker 1: and confiscates a bunch of her and her husband's property. 996 00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,760 Speaker 1: This did not stop her. In nineteen sixty three, she 997 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,080 Speaker 1: sat at a whites only restaurant and was beaten so 998 00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,560 Speaker 1: badly in jail by cops that she never fully recovered, 999 00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,600 Speaker 1: and that did not stop her. In sixty four, she 1000 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,480 Speaker 1: helped organize Freedom Summer, and hundreds of college students of 1001 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,800 Speaker 1: various races showed up to help register black voters in 1002 00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,840 Speaker 1: the South, including podcast alumni Heather Booth. I get really 1003 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,439 Speaker 1: excited trying to tie them all the podcasts it's into 1004 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,840 Speaker 1: one thing, but they're all it's all connected, all the 1005 00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,040 Speaker 1: cool people fucking interweave. The person who founded the Jaine 1006 00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,400 Speaker 1: Collective came down for Freedom Summer, which had been organized, 1007 00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:11,000 Speaker 1: including by part by Fanny, and she kept working the 1008 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,560 Speaker 1: political system. She even wound up alongside two others as 1009 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,200 Speaker 1: part of the first group of black women to run 1010 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,720 Speaker 1: for Congress. But eventually she soured on political change, which 1011 00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,080 Speaker 1: just kept sucking, not working, so she started doing ship 1012 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,439 Speaker 1: that I think is even cooler, to quote the writer 1013 00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:29,200 Speaker 1: Deborah Michaels. Frustrated by the political process, Hamer turned to 1014 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,720 Speaker 1: economics as a strategy for greater racial equality. In Night, 1015 00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,040 Speaker 1: she began a pig bank to provide free pigs to 1016 00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,960 Speaker 1: black farmers to breed, raise, and slaughter. A year later, 1017 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,760 Speaker 1: she launched the Freedom Farm Cooperative, buying up land that 1018 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,000 Speaker 1: black people could own and farm collectively. With the assistance 1019 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,840 Speaker 1: of donors, including famed singer Harry Belafonte. She purchased six 1020 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,720 Speaker 1: forty acres and launched a co op store, boutique, and 1021 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,000 Speaker 1: sewing enterprise. Co Operative economics also are one of these 1022 00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,720 Speaker 1: things that tied through all of it, even the idea 1023 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,960 Speaker 1: of like cooperative owing enterprises was actually a big part 1024 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,720 Speaker 1: of the Russian Nihilist when they weren't trying to blow 1025 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,120 Speaker 1: up the czar, they started, Yeah, the whole thing they read. 1026 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:07,760 Speaker 1: This book was actually one of the books that Emma 1027 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,120 Speaker 1: Goldman really was inspired by. It's called What Is to 1028 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,440 Speaker 1: be Done? Not the later one by Lennon or the 1029 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,200 Speaker 1: later one by Stalin, but the first one by the 1030 00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:19,080 Speaker 1: guy whose name IY don't remember. Um Um. It basically 1031 00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,640 Speaker 1: is like, hey, you should start sewing cooperatives and that's 1032 00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,800 Speaker 1: how you should raise up enough money to start having 1033 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,439 Speaker 1: an economy where paul take care of each other. And 1034 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,960 Speaker 1: I don't believe that Fanny was necessarily like inspired by 1035 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:31,640 Speaker 1: that or with the through line or whatever, but it's 1036 00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,520 Speaker 1: instead it's something that people figure out, is that cooperative 1037 00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,680 Speaker 1: economics and like collectively creating economies um a really good 1038 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:43,080 Speaker 1: way to protect wealth and communities that have the wealth 1039 00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,160 Speaker 1: taken away from them. On a regular basis, throughout her life, 1040 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,200 Speaker 1: she faces an endless slew of racist attacks, racist poison 1041 00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,440 Speaker 1: their farm animals. When she's a kid, she people try 1042 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,880 Speaker 1: to drive by shooter and she's this short, thick black 1043 00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:58,600 Speaker 1: woman with a thick Southern accent and no formal education. 1044 00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,240 Speaker 1: When she was supposed to speak as a Democratic delegate 1045 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,640 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four, President Lyndon Johnson like personally blocked her 1046 01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:09,720 Speaker 1: from speaking because he didn't want, you know, uneducated black 1047 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,120 Speaker 1: woman or whatever on stage. And when she was given 1048 01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,560 Speaker 1: an honorary degree, prominent assholes both white and black were 1049 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,680 Speaker 1: piste off because she didn't deserve it, because she wasn't 1050 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,680 Speaker 1: fully literate. But other black leaders believed in her. Malcolm 1051 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,080 Speaker 1: X believed in her, and it was while speaking alongside 1052 01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Malcolm X in Harlem in nineteen sixty four that she 1053 01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,840 Speaker 1: gave her most famous speech, in which she said, I've 1054 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,000 Speaker 1: been tired so long. Now I am sick and tired 1055 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,200 Speaker 1: of being sick and tired, and we want to change. 1056 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,120 Speaker 1: She rules. She she dies of breast cancer in seventy seven, 1057 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,480 Speaker 1: only fifty nine years old. And there's there's still people 1058 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,120 Speaker 1: doing that economic work. She started the Federation of Southern 1059 01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,560 Speaker 1: Cooperatives as a coalition of black farmers. It's been around 1060 01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,040 Speaker 1: for fifty five years, is still around. They work to 1061 01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,680 Speaker 1: keep farmland in black and cooperative hands throughout the South. Wow. 1062 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,480 Speaker 1: And but she's also one of uncountable number of people, 1063 01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,919 Speaker 1: mostly people of color, who or coerced or tricked into sterilization, 1064 01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,760 Speaker 1: mental patients, prisoners, women on welfare, people who showed up 1065 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,040 Speaker 1: at the hospital for completely unrelated surgery. The state just 1066 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,840 Speaker 1: was fucking wild about population control, and they would be 1067 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:19,880 Speaker 1: like the Board of Eugenics would decide, it's so creepy. Yeah, 1068 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,680 Speaker 1: and it's it's explicitly racist. Yeah, I know, I know. 1069 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,320 Speaker 1: It's like it's one of those things where you kind 1070 01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:27,000 Speaker 1: of like the fact that it, like, I mean, it 1071 01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,160 Speaker 1: still happens, but the fact that it was like even 1072 01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,760 Speaker 1: more above board happening like fifty years ago. Yeah, that 1073 01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,720 Speaker 1: was common. It's hard for me to wrap my head around. 1074 01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:40,920 Speaker 1: It's so evil, you know, Yeah, because it was just 1075 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:48,000 Speaker 1: so recent how recently are thinking collectively? Was just very medieval. 1076 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,480 Speaker 1: It blows my mind. And yeah, it's very important to 1077 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:55,880 Speaker 1: note that it does still happen. Um, there was a 1078 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:59,360 Speaker 1: huge thing recently. I guess I don't even know. Time 1079 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,440 Speaker 1: just feels like a vacuum. But expose about all the 1080 01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:07,200 Speaker 1: migrants in in custody who under rent forced to direct 1081 01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:13,240 Speaker 1: me um and in prisons, women, uh, you know, or 1082 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,640 Speaker 1: people with reproductive people. That's not the phrase that is 1083 01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,160 Speaker 1: not the word. I am tired, but you get my 1084 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:25,640 Speaker 1: people who give birth, thank you. Yeah, forces directed me. 1085 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,600 Speaker 1: It's it's sickening. And now it's just not talked about. 1086 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:37,000 Speaker 1: Is that it happens totally, And it was women were 1087 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,040 Speaker 1: targeted more than men. There were men also forced to um, 1088 01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:44,480 Speaker 1: you know, have forced sterilization, but not as much. White 1089 01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,720 Speaker 1: poor folks weren't exempt, but they were targeted at least 1090 01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:52,320 Speaker 1: three times less often. And it's it's fucking genocide. Like 1091 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,560 Speaker 1: the North Carolina Eugenic Sport had a whole plan to 1092 01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:59,200 Speaker 1: quote breed out black people by sterilizing black men. And 1093 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,800 Speaker 1: in cause you were wondering, the US was the first 1094 01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,240 Speaker 1: country to get really excited about compulsory sterilization, like hundred 1095 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,720 Speaker 1: more than a hundred, like hundred twenty years ago or something. 1096 01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,680 Speaker 1: So's it's not really a surprise that the black power 1097 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,160 Speaker 1: movement in late sixties early seventies was not actually excited 1098 01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,920 Speaker 1: about birth control and abortion for a while. In the 1099 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,000 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, somewhere between a quarter and half of Indigenous 1100 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,240 Speaker 1: women who came into the Indian Health services for health 1101 01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:26,600 Speaker 1: care services, for any health care services were sterilized. Latin 1102 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,760 Speaker 1: x people face this in a group of Mexican American 1103 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,480 Speaker 1: lawyers filed a class action lawsuit in Los Angeles, and 1104 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,520 Speaker 1: they actually used Roe v. Wade, basically saying that Roe v. 1105 01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:39,920 Speaker 1: Wade should protect the right to bear children as well 1106 01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,160 Speaker 1: as not bear children. Um, because all these people like 1107 01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:46,360 Speaker 1: sometimes it was like forced, like you're tricked, and they 1108 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,000 Speaker 1: just do it while you're while you're under Sometimes they like, here, 1109 01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,360 Speaker 1: sign these forms, sign these forms. Okay, you signed the 1110 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,080 Speaker 1: forms and you didn't read it or you can't read 1111 01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,240 Speaker 1: it's in English or whatever, you know, m hm. And 1112 01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,520 Speaker 1: so so they sue using Roe v. Way Aid, and 1113 01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:04,200 Speaker 1: they lose, and the ruling was racist as fuck. To 1114 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,520 Speaker 1: quote a of course, it was to quote one essay 1115 01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:12,320 Speaker 1: by um Emily Mash in the Immigration and Human Rights 1116 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,240 Speaker 1: Law Review. The judge wrote that the plaintiff's emotional distress 1117 01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,439 Speaker 1: was not caused by the sterilizations, but rather by the 1118 01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:24,080 Speaker 1: patient's cultural background as immigrants from rural Mexico, who accredited 1119 01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:28,200 Speaker 1: a woman's worth to her ability to raise a large family. Yeah, 1120 01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:32,760 Speaker 1: oh my god, oh those poor DearS. They've lost their 1121 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,200 Speaker 1: value and their in their society and our society. The 1122 01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:44,120 Speaker 1: value is for sterilization. That's disgusting. Yep, apologies for some 1123 01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,520 Speaker 1: of the ships started showing up in the early two thousands. 1124 01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,160 Speaker 1: Occasionally laws would be repealed that the stuff that had 1125 01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:57,200 Speaker 1: allowed the involuntary sterilization the thousands, Jesus fucking Christ. Well, 1126 01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,920 Speaker 1: and Washington State still has the law in the books. 1127 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:05,240 Speaker 1: Ah and it and almost no compensation is handed out 1128 01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,200 Speaker 1: when they're like, oh, sorry about that, and their excuse was, well, 1129 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:09,919 Speaker 1: most of those people are dead, and like, we didn't 1130 01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,720 Speaker 1: really keep records of it, so how would we even 1131 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,000 Speaker 1: find the people to give money to who we did 1132 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,480 Speaker 1: this horrible thing too? Oh my god, that's awful, And 1133 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,520 Speaker 1: as you pointed out, it is still happening today to 1134 01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,240 Speaker 1: especially to prisoners and people held by ice. Um. I 1135 01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,840 Speaker 1: try not to end on doom and gloom, So I 1136 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,200 Speaker 1: want to say, kind of similar to the last episode, 1137 01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:35,640 Speaker 1: that these people who fought, they didn't lose, because we're 1138 01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:39,200 Speaker 1: still in this fight and we haven't lost, and we 1139 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,200 Speaker 1: we win every time we protect any given individuals right 1140 01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,040 Speaker 1: to choose whether to have a kid or not in 1141 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:49,320 Speaker 1: either direction, and and all of the bad ship still happening. 1142 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:55,800 Speaker 1: But but yeah, it's really important because we wouldn't. First off, 1143 01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,919 Speaker 1: we wouldn't still be having this fight if it wasn't 1144 01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,440 Speaker 1: for their work. But we've remarked several times over these 1145 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,439 Speaker 1: two episodes about how it wasn't even that long ago, 1146 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:10,120 Speaker 1: and I think it's really important to note that because 1147 01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,720 Speaker 1: it wasn't that long ago, and look at how different 1148 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,919 Speaker 1: it is now. And I mean it's not that it's 1149 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:22,000 Speaker 1: fixed by a long shot, of course not. But you 1150 01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:25,480 Speaker 1: move the ball forward, and I find hope in that. 1151 01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,760 Speaker 1: Does that make sense, like even though it feels hopeless 1152 01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,440 Speaker 1: right now that we're still, but but that you can 1153 01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,640 Speaker 1: see how progress has happened now I'm thinking about, like, well, 1154 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:41,920 Speaker 1: happening but we're still. That's the tape. I think. I'm 1155 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,440 Speaker 1: a little like more progress neutral and that I think 1156 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:46,960 Speaker 1: a lot of times we win some and lose some, 1157 01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,160 Speaker 1: and we get ahead for a while and we get 1158 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,360 Speaker 1: knocked back for a while, Like I mean sometimes about 1159 01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,959 Speaker 1: like places in medieval Europe where it was totally chilled 1160 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,040 Speaker 1: to be a trans woman, and then we get jealous, 1161 01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:01,000 Speaker 1: you know, um, and then like but I'm gonna use 1162 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,560 Speaker 1: a throwaway line and people are gonna be like, what 1163 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,040 Speaker 1: is it. I'm kind of speaking very vaguely here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1164 01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:10,200 Speaker 1: but we like win by fighting. We win by making 1165 01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,479 Speaker 1: our lives better and the lives of people around us better, 1166 01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:17,160 Speaker 1: and by by just like not letting them do this ship. 1167 01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,160 Speaker 1: Sometimes we're gonna do let them. Yeah, it's like, well, 1168 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,080 Speaker 1: I can't not do something. I still get to get up, 1169 01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:27,520 Speaker 1: get up tomorrow and keep doing it. So even if 1170 01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,840 Speaker 1: it's exhausting, you gotta keep and and that gives me 1171 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,560 Speaker 1: and there's hope in that. Yeah, totally. And as Emma 1172 01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,520 Speaker 1: Goldman taught us, we can still dance and have fun. 1173 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,560 Speaker 1: We can still dance and have fun, find the beauty. 1174 01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:44,520 Speaker 1: What a delightful journey. This has been good. Thank you 1175 01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,160 Speaker 1: so much again. I had written into the script saying 1176 01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,120 Speaker 1: we needed um, we needed Katie to take a stab 1177 01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,720 Speaker 1: at a speech about why we can. But Katie did it. 1178 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:59,480 Speaker 1: I prompted. Ye oh wow, yeah, no, I know my role. 1179 01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:04,040 Speaker 1: That's what I was smirking about. That's really funny. I 1180 01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,480 Speaker 1: was like, look at Katie being you just you just 1181 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:11,360 Speaker 1: manipulated me into doing it. You just wrote a show 1182 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:15,120 Speaker 1: that that brought me to that spot where I felt 1183 01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,080 Speaker 1: inspired to give you that. So that's that's a testament 1184 01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:23,040 Speaker 1: to your tire work here and speaking of of of 1185 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,160 Speaker 1: other people's work, Katie, do you have any plugs you'd 1186 01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,760 Speaker 1: like to plug here For a second, it was like 1187 01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:33,920 Speaker 1: Katie plug other people's work. Yeah. Sure. You can check 1188 01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,920 Speaker 1: out our podcast even more news and our YouTube channel 1189 01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,840 Speaker 1: some more news. I'm on Twitter, Katie Stole. That seems 1190 01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,599 Speaker 1: like a good place to start. That's solid, and Margaret, 1191 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,840 Speaker 1: anything you want to plug at the end here. You 1192 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,640 Speaker 1: can follow me on Twitter at Magpie Killjoy if you 1193 01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:55,439 Speaker 1: want to see me participate begrudgingly in discourse and you 1194 01:08:55,479 --> 01:09:01,080 Speaker 1: can um fake be grudgingly. And you can follow me 1195 01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,439 Speaker 1: on Instagram at Margaret Killjoy if you want to see 1196 01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,559 Speaker 1: pictures of my dog and videos of me playing hurdy 1197 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,320 Speaker 1: gurdy and other weird ship. You're getting a follow today, 1198 01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,600 Speaker 1: all right. I have a book coming out called We 1199 01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,680 Speaker 1: Won't Be Here Tomorrow, which ironically comes out after tomorrow, 1200 01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:22,000 Speaker 1: September twentie in fact um working against the OWE. I'm 1201 01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,960 Speaker 1: gonna stop trying to make puns out of the title, 1202 01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,120 Speaker 1: but you can you can probably pre order bys I'd 1203 01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,240 Speaker 1: be listening the ray k Press and if not, it'll 1204 01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:40,400 Speaker 1: be soon. Fighting congratulation, Thanks and We'll be back next week. Bye. 1205 01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:45,960 Speaker 1: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of 1206 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,080 Speaker 1: cool Zone Media, but more podcasts and cool Zone Media. 1207 01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:52,080 Speaker 1: Visit our website cool zone media dot com or check 1208 01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,920 Speaker 1: us out on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 1209 01:09:55,000 --> 01:10:02,240 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. You do a bit 1210 01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:02,320 Speaker 1: of