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Let's go 20 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: over to Bobby. I'm glad you put the b in 21 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: front of your name, Bobby. It looked like Abby from 22 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: Long Island, New York, and I went Abby Bobby from 23 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 2: Long Island, New York. Oh for Toyota four Runner. What's 24 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: going on? How can I help? 25 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 3: H Ron? Long long, long time listen. It's really I 26 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 3: really appreciate that what you do for all of us. 27 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: Thank you. Happy to be here. 28 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: I just replaced my uh nineteen eighty four crested up 29 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 3: with a new to me two thousand and four four 30 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: Runner with sixty thousand miles. It's like a brand new car. Yeah, 31 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 3: I know I over paid for it, but you know what, Ron, 32 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:39,559 Speaker 3: it rides like a new car. 33 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's bump. Absolutely, I can check. 34 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 3: I can check. The transmission has a full sized spare tire. 35 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 3: But the previous owner had problem with the brakes as 36 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 3: far as a spongy pedal. 37 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: Okay, spongey now you're talking about while you're driving? Yes, okay? 38 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: And is it that it's not a good firm pedal, 39 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: almost like it needs to be bled. 40 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: Yep. And I gave it a good thorough bleeding. First 41 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 3: I tried. I bled. The backs came out like iced tea, 42 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: I suppose, And I thought the pedal came up a 43 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 3: little bit. But then when I did the fronts, no 44 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: change and it's still it seemed like it got a 45 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: little bit better. But I wouldn't bet on it. 46 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: Okay, you're aware there's a specific bleed procedure for this vehicle. 47 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 3: Oh I am not. Yeah, I'm waiting for the owner's 48 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 3: manual from Toyota. 49 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: Yeah you want to, and you want to also be aware. 50 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: And here's a classic example of driving an older vehicle, Bobby, 51 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: I would I would have a subscription to one of 52 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 2: the online electronic services all that of DIY something like that, 53 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: you know, just to see can you get more current information, 54 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 2: Because if you're waiting for the service manual from Toyota 55 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: for an four that probably stopped production twenty years ago. 56 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: More than a few bulletins have come out since that 57 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: book was initially published, unless they're unless they're continually updating 58 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: and publishing the paper print copies, but I don't think 59 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: they are. Or you're waiting for an owner's manual, not 60 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: a service manual. 61 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: No money for service manuals. 62 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's not going to be it's not going 63 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 2: to be anywhere near as it's not going to be 64 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: anywhere near as comprehensive as electronic information. You know, if 65 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight they came out with a 66 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: bulletin related to your particular problem, but they stopped producing 67 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 2: that book in two thousand and five, you'll never see 68 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: that bulletin. So here's here's here's the argument. Yeah, it's nice, 69 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: it's well, it's nice to have a it's nice to 70 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: have Listen, the guy at Toyota told you, hey, here's 71 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: the most current copy of an O four service manual right. 72 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 4: Now. 73 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: What he said he'd get me one with all the updates. 74 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: And I've been dealing with this guy out in a 75 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: loft Kansas for like. 76 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: Well, maybe maybe maybe he does, maybe he knows something. 77 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: I don't know, But I can't imagine that in twenty 78 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: nineteen if that was the last date, or twenty twelve, 79 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: if that was the last data publication, I'd be curious 80 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: to see what the publication data is on the manual 81 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: that as Toyota has aged that vehicle out. That vehicle's 82 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: twenty one years old. Now, I don't know, I don't 83 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: know that they care. I don't know that they care 84 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: so much about it. Right, there's the argument for electronic information. 85 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: Neither here nor there. You got to get the bleed procedure. 86 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 2: You've got to follow brief bleed procedure. Make sure you're 87 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: doing it correctly. Number one. Number two, there's a possibility 88 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: this has a bad hydraulic control unit. This has the 89 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: electric vacuum pump set up correct It does right. So 90 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: here's a quick test. Pump the brake pedal forty times 91 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: thirty five to forty times forty times should do it 92 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: all right? You pump it forty times, turn the ignition 93 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: switch on and you'll hear the pump run. Okays, it 94 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: builds pressure within a few seconds of coming on, between 95 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: five and eight seconds. That pump should sound strained like 96 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: it's building pressure right, like it's under load. And if 97 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: it doesn't, then you've got to start to have a 98 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 2: conversation with your head. Do you have with yourself in 99 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: your head? Do you have a problem with that pump assembly? 100 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 5: Now? 101 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 3: Ron, would you feel comfortable with changing just some motor? 102 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 2: Now I put the whole thing, I do the whole thing. Yeah, Okay, 103 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: it's twenty one years old. You know it's a and 104 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 2: not to mention. Here's the case where if you can 105 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 2: still get that complete motor assembly from Toyota. Let's say 106 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: you do Let's say you just do a motor and 107 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: five years from now the accumulator ball fails or some 108 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: other component of that and you find out it's not available, 109 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 2: and now you're chasing an aftermarket something that might be marginal, 110 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 2: you know what, on an older vehicle. If the goal 111 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: is to keep it, and since you just got it, 112 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: the goal is to keep it, You're better off replacing 113 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: and using the best quality parts you can find. Now, 114 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 2: it's going to be cheaper in the long run. Five 115 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 2: years from now you won't have a problem. You're saving money. 116 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 3: Fights I'm already so far ahead of the game, right exactly, 117 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 3: and spend eighteen hundred dollars on Toto factory ports to 118 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 3: replace both of it. I just wanted to make sure 119 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 3: I'm doing the right thing. 120 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 2: You're you're on the right path, my friend. 121 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 3: All right, please electronic blued and then we'll go from there. 122 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 2: Go from there, and if you need me, you know 123 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: where to find me, all right, Kittle, you'd be well. 124 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 2: Take care. Bobby. Arlene intent in Tennessee twenty Malibu. What's 125 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: going on here? Leen? How can I help? 126 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 4: I had to have the transmission replaced in April, and 127 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 4: I did that through the dealer, right, and I got 128 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 4: a rebuilt GM transmission. 129 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: Right. 130 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 4: What I have a problem with is when I go 131 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 4: to put it in park. If I'm on level ground 132 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 4: and it takes my foot off the break, it goes 133 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 4: right into park. But if I'm on an incline or 134 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 4: decline and I try to park it and I take 135 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 4: the foot off, it rolls before it locks into park. 136 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: More so did more so than it did with the 137 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: previous transmission. 138 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, yes, Okay. 139 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: And you're and you're and you're going to tell me 140 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: you went back to the dealer and they said that's 141 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: normal for the operation of the vehicle. 142 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 4: No. I went back to the dealer and they said 143 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 4: there was no error code and they couldn't duplicate it 144 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 4: until they told. 145 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: Me to go home. Can you can you take a 146 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: technician for a ride? Are you allowed to do that? 147 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 4: No? They they kept it for a day and a 148 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 4: half and told me the technician did drive it right. 149 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: But did the technician put it on an incline? Probably 150 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: not right, so he can't duplicate the problem when he 151 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: doesn't see it right. 152 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 4: What I need to know is that a breaking problem, 153 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 4: or is that a transmission problem. 154 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 2: Sounds like a transmission problem to me. Okay, so take 155 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: your take your index finger on your right hand. Take 156 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: take your thumb and index finger on your left hand. 157 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: Put your put your index finger from your right hand 158 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: in between the other two. All right, grip, grip your 159 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 2: right hand index finger moderately tight. Okay, Yeah, that's basically 160 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: the park pole. Your right index finger. Your right index 161 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: finger is locked between the other two fingers, right right. Now, 162 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: spread them apart a quarter of an inch. See all 163 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: that slop? See how see how your finger moves more? Yeah, 164 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: that's the movement in the transmission. If that gap is 165 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: too large, if those parts are worn on that unit, 166 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 2: if it's a reman unit that was not properly assembled 167 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: or re manufactured, that measurement is off. And now you've 168 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: got too much slop such that it's loaded against load 169 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: your right index finger against your thumb. You feel how 170 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: hard that is to push? 171 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 4: Yeah? 172 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: If it has to roll the other way and it 173 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: can't because it's so hard loaded in one direction, and 174 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 2: then finally bang, you jam it and you get it 175 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: to pop, that's the sensation you're going through. If they 176 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: don't experience that problem on an incline, just like you're 177 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 2: describing it. Because you've described it perfectly. There's nothing wrong 178 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: with your description, there's nothing wrong with your analysis. I 179 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: think you're spot on all right, But how do. 180 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 4: I get them to believe that? 181 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 2: You got to somebody's got to go for a ride 182 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 2: with you. Take the service manager out for coffee. Say, hey, listen, 183 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. 184 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: Here's here's the thing about relationships with a repair shop. Right, 185 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: is this where you bought the car? 186 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: Yes? 187 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: Is this the guys that have been servicing it up 188 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 2: till now? 189 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 4: Yes? 190 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, Ron, you know you've been taking care of 191 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: my car for five years. You put a transmission, and 192 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: I think there's a problem really early, and I can't 193 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: experience it. Let's go for a ride. I mean, that's 194 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: the first words out of my mouth. It's it's because 195 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: the problem. 196 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 4: Is I'm dealing with a dealership and like he told me, 197 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 4: they have a turnover on technicians, and I'm not dealing 198 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 4: with the same technician I was a month ago. 199 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: Right, But that's not your problem. I know that's not 200 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: your problem, sweetheart, And don't let Yeah, it's their excuse. 201 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: Don't let them pass the buck. Shame on them for 202 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: doing that. All right, it's time to talk to the 203 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 2: service manager. Listen, I am a customer. I have been 204 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 2: here for five years. I have paid it for every 205 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: service you guys recommended to me. I have played the 206 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: game your way. Now I have a problem. You want 207 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 2: to know what the mark of a good repair shop is. 208 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: It's not when they can do an oil change, or 209 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: retire rotation or put brakes on the car. It's when 210 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 2: you've got a dedicated customer and they've got a problem. 211 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,359 Speaker 2: It's up to that shop to solve it. They're obligated 212 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 2: to solve it. And I say this with all the 213 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: zest and energy I can for all my shops out 214 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: there that listen in, and for all my customers out 215 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: there that listen in, for all the listeners out there 216 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 2: that say what makes a good repair shop? That's what 217 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: makes a good repair shop. And if the service manager 218 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: doesn't give you any support, go talk to the sales manager. 219 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: You know, I think about buying another car from you guys, 220 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: but service is kind of falling on its face here 221 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: right now. 222 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 4: I thought about doing that before. I'm going to take 223 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 4: it back in and I thought, who do I talk to? So, 224 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 4: you're right, I need to see the service manager. 225 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: It's as my late father in law would say, it's 226 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: time to talk to the front of the horse because 227 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 2: the other end's not working. All right, Okay, okay, thank you, 228 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: good lucky, your sweetheart. You let us know what happens. 229 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 2: Ay five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. 230 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: I'm the front of the horse. I'm running any in 231 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: the car, doctor, I'll be back right after this. Let's 232 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: real quick. Go to Chuck in Delaware sixteen Toyota Tacoma 233 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: with some noises from the back. Chuck, Welcome to the car, doctor, sir, 234 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 2: what's going on? 235 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 5: Oh not a whole lot. Thank you for your callback. 236 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 5: You're welcome, enjoy your show. 237 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 2: Thank you. 238 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 6: And So I have a sixteen Toyota Tacoma SR five 239 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 6: and every once in a while, if I coast to 240 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 6: a stop, it feels like the rear end sometimes for 241 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 6: the transmission, like bangs or pops, and I can physically 242 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 6: feel it. And it doesn't happen all the time. 243 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: If you put it in neutral when it's doing that, 244 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: does the does the sensation go away? 245 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 5: No, it's real quick. It just it just pops for 246 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 5: a second and then and then everything's fine. 247 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: Okay. Four wheel drive, Yes, as factory tires stock tires. 248 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 5: Uh, they're not. They're not stocked. 249 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 2: No, are they big? They're not? But are they? Are 250 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: they a very aggressive tire? 251 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 5: No? 252 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 6: No, I've put I've put what they recommend to want 253 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 6: to learn. 254 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: An LT Okay, So barring tires creating an issue or 255 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: some kind of drive line vibration, and barring that there's 256 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 2: a problem starting to develop with the drive shift, I 257 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: probably out of curiosity, let me ask this question. How 258 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 2: many miles around this? A little mileage wouldn't matter to 259 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: me in my mind. For this, how many miles around this? 260 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: Chuck four right? I'd probably pull the dry shaft down 261 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: and just feel the joints, make sure they all feel 262 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: equal in terms of, you know, they've got the right 263 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: amount of wiggle to them. Nothing excessive, nothing feels warned, 264 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 2: nothing feels clunky. Do we have a center support bearing 265 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: on this? Or is this a one piece shift? Why 266 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 2: do I think this is a center support bearing shift? 267 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 5: That that I do not know? 268 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 2: All right? Do I have it? 269 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 5: I mean, everything's oem right. I haven't done anything to 270 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 5: the drug since I bought. 271 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 2: It, right, I was gonna say I would. I would 272 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: look at the shaft. Is it a problem? Yeah, it's 273 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: just a good time. Listen almost two hudred thousand miles 274 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: on an eight year old vehicle. It's a good time 275 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 2: to just how's the drive shift? Is it intact? Is it? 276 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 2: Is it starting to bind up in certain spots? Is 277 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: it starting to get excess of wear? How's the center 278 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 2: support bearing? If it's a two piece shift, which something 279 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 2: in my mind tells me it is, all right, those 280 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: would be the obvious things i'd look for when I 281 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: pull the shaft out, where the shaft goes into the transmission, 282 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 2: I would look at that slip coupling, all right, the 283 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: yoke itself, does the yoke itself looks like it looks 284 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: like it has where either on the outside, more importantly 285 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: on the inside. You ever ever pull a drive shaft 286 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: out of a tail shaft housing, and now I have not. 287 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: And look at the splines. Right, take your index finger, 288 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 2: make it. Make make a hole with your right index 289 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 2: finger against your thumb on your left hand, and put 290 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 2: your finger in the hole. Right round peg, roundhole. Now 291 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: start to expand your and I'm using my index finger 292 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: all out this show this week. Now, start to expand 293 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 2: that that index finger. Right, it's a little sloppy. Your 294 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 2: finger's a little sloppy in the hole. Is it is 295 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: the yoke bouncing around on the inputs on the output 296 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: shaft of the trans. Is it gouged? Are the splines 297 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: of the output shaft of the trans starting to dig 298 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 2: into the yoke so that as the drive shaft, the 299 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: drive shaft have to ha has to have smooth and 300 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 2: even balance against the output shaft of the trans. If, however, 301 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: you drive, I'm not picking on your driving, Chuck, I'm 302 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: just saying, however you drive aggressive or easy or whatever 303 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 2: in between. At one hundred and eighty five thousand miles, 304 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: if that output shaft has started to gouge the splines 305 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: on the inside of the dry shaft yoke, is it 306 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 2: catching and not releasing and allowing a smooth transition? Be 307 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 2: curious if putting the truck in neutral while it was 308 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: happening made a difference and just allowed the vehicle to 309 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: coast under no load? 310 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 4: Right? 311 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 2: Right? Does that? 312 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 5: And it doesn't happen all the time? 313 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 3: Right? 314 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 5: Very it's very right. So it seems like it's boring 315 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 5: cold weather. 316 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, and there's that there's that drive shafts yoke 317 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: sticking in in under under a duress condition, sometimes sometimes 318 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: part of a diagnosis. And you guys hear me say 319 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 2: this all the time. Is tell me what's good. I'll 320 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: tell you what's bad. I would be curious, all right, 321 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: is and let me say it like this. If you 322 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 2: pull the drive shaft down or your mechanic takes the 323 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: drive shaft out, and the ue joints are good, and 324 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: if there's a center support bearing and that's good, and 325 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: the inside of the yoke looks okay, right, I would 326 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: probably pack a little wheel bearing grease up against the 327 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 2: yokes blines, all right, or maybe a little yellow I 328 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: think I probably use yellow grease. What I call yellow grease. 329 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: Everybody else says white lithium, same thing. I put a 330 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: little yellow lithium on there, all right. It doesn't hurt, 331 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: it's a good it's a good slip yoke grease. Does 332 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: the problem go away in frequency? Does it go away completely? 333 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 2: Or does it still happen. If it still happens, you've 334 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 2: looked at the obvious. I just want to make sure 335 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: the drive shift isn't about to fall out on the 336 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 2: two hundred thousand mile truck, right, you know, I just 337 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: just yeah, just just the obvious stuff. Have you ever 338 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 2: serviced the drive line? Have you ever done diff fluids, 339 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: transfer case fluids, those kind of things? No, No, I 340 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: need you though, right, yeah, you do, and I don't. 341 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: I don't know that that's going to solve any problems 342 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 2: because frankly, I would have done it every fifty thousand 343 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: miles up to this point. All right, Right, But what 344 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: I would be curious is if you change transfer case fluid, 345 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: if you change you're dift fluid, and you were to 346 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: filter the fluid through a pain strainer, are you going 347 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: are you going to get any kind of fragments or metal? 348 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: Uh? Oh right? Row and. 349 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 2: Yeah that's ret row as Astro would say. 350 00:16:57,880 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 3: So, but you know that. 351 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: That's how I would approach it, brother, all right, So 352 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 2: this way you kind of know what you're getting and 353 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: you know where you're at. But just some basics. There's 354 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: nothing that stands out. There's no bulletins. I thought we 355 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: were gonna have a conversation if you said to me, hey, ron, 356 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: I got a whine from the rear of the vehicle. 357 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: There's a bulletin from Toyota that talks about chassis or 358 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 2: cab insulation double thirteen eighteen. But that's not you. You've 359 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: got something else going on. Whether we're concerned about it 360 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: at one hundred and eighty thousand miles, whether it's preventable 361 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 2: or just general age. That's what some of this looking 362 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 2: and service and will tell us. Good luck to you, Chuck. 363 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 2: If you anymore, you know where to find me. Hey, 364 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 2: coming up next, Darryl Brockman. Let's learn about batteries and 365 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 2: the latest in technology from the folks over at Optimum Batteries. 366 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: I'm ronning Ay and the car Doctor. I'll be back 367 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 2: with him right after this. Welcome back. You know it's 368 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: getting to be that time of year. Well, actually that 369 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: time of year for batteries is probably year round now 370 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: because as we've said for a long time, right, we 371 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 2: see more batteries fail I think in summer than we 372 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 2: do in winter. But it's always a good time to 373 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: talk about batteries, and I thought it would be appropriate. 374 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 2: We've reached out to Daryl Brockman. He is product planning 375 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 2: over at OPTIMUMA battery and we're excited to have Daryl 376 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 2: with us and talk about all the new things that 377 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 2: Optima is doing. Darrel, Welcome to the Car Doctor. 378 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 7: Thanks so much for having me. Great to be here. 379 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 2: I need to put a battery in my car. Let's 380 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 2: start the simple conversation here, right. I need to put 381 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 2: a battery in my car. I've got a two twenty 382 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 2: Toyota Camryo. It's got auto start, it's an automatic, it's 383 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 2: got all the bells and whistles. Help me put a 384 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: battery in my car, Daryl, what am I looking for? 385 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 7: I mean, usually what you would recommend as an AGM battery, 386 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 7: especially if you have start stop in your vehicle, that 387 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,719 Speaker 7: is much harder on the battery. The battery is going 388 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 7: to be instead of starting the battery, you know, once 389 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 7: when you leave for work and another time when you're 390 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 7: coming back for work, you might be starting the car 391 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 7: twenty or thirty times. And the a GM battery is 392 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 7: what's going to give you the longest life. You know, 393 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 7: in today's modern vehicles, the electrical loads on vehicles over 394 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 7: the last ten years has grown exponentially and it's not 395 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 7: expected to decrease. And the old flooded batteries just don't 396 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 7: have the life and they're not designed to meet those 397 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 7: kinds of you know, much higher electrical requirements that today's 398 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 7: vehicles have. 399 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 2: Is it a safe assumption? Dangerous word on family radio? 400 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: But is it a safe assumption to assume that, Well, 401 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: if I've got an AGM battery, I don't have a 402 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 2: secondary battery for start stop or you know. And I 403 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 2: guess the other plf of that question becomes, if I 404 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 2: do have that second, smaller battery, if I'm changing my 405 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: main battery, I should change my second battery too, correct. 406 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 7: I mean, vehicles can have two and three batteries. In 407 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 7: an EV, there's the motive battery, the one that makes 408 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 7: the vehicle move. There'll be a twelve volt battery that's 409 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 7: you really powering the cabin functions or some you know, 410 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 7: some of the core functionality. And then in an even 411 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 7: an internal combustion engine vehicle, you know, a normal vehicle, 412 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 7: those often have two batteries now where they'll have the 413 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 7: starting battery, and then they'll have a small auxiliary battery 414 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 7: that's providing some backup power for some other critical systems. 415 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 2: Now, Optima would make a battery for my camera, wouldn't they? 416 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 7: We do we have actually, so we have our a 417 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 7: GM line. We have red top and yellow top AGM 418 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 7: batteries that your camera probably takes a group thirty five battery. 419 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 7: We make that in both red and yellow top or 420 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 7: red top batteries, or what would be used in a 421 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 7: vehicle that has more typical electrical loads where the battery 422 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 7: is used to start the vehicle and then the all 423 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 7: charging system has enough power to keep the to maintain 424 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 7: electrical equilibrium, a yellow top battery. If you had a 425 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 7: big audio system in your car or something with exceptional 426 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 7: electrical demands, we'd suggest one of our yel top batteries 427 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 7: that's a dual purpose battery that has great starting power 428 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 7: in addition to the ability to be cycled more deeply 429 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 7: and have long long cycle life. 430 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 2: So you know you've got them. You've got the batteries 431 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 2: from my car, right, But then you get into like 432 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 2: what they call power sport vehicles, you know, like a 433 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: power sport Like why do power sport vehicles like ATV snowmobiles, 434 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: wave runners, they need a specific type of battery, right 435 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: as opposed to batteries that I might use in my 436 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: camera or is that can I take my camera battery 437 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 2: and put it into a power into a power sport 438 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 2: vehicle if it fits sure. 439 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 7: And the biggest difference between a power sports battery and 440 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 7: an automotive batteries that those power sports batteries are much smaller. 441 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 5: Often. 442 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 7: I'd actually introduced a line of lithium power sports batteries 443 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 7: about two years ago, and they have a lot of 444 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 7: great teachers lithium batteries. One of the advantages is the 445 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 7: very lightweight. A lot of people, you know, if you 446 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 7: have a bike that's or a power sports vehicle that's 447 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 7: more performance oriented, a lithium battery is much lighter than 448 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 7: the lead acid battery replaces, so it'll the vehicle handle 449 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 7: better and the Again, those batteries have great cycle life. 450 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 7: One of the features that are with the empower sports 451 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 7: batteries have that really people really like is our Optimus 452 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 7: CPR function, and that's what we call our built in jumpstarter. Basically, 453 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 7: when the battery gets if the battery gets discharged down 454 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 7: to thirty five percent stay of charge, if you leave 455 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 7: the heated grips on on your motorcycle, or if you 456 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 7: leave the whip lights on your side by side overnight. 457 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 7: Once that battery gets down to thirty five percent, the 458 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 7: battery automatically will go into sleep mode, it'll shut down 459 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 7: in that thirty five percent that it holds in reserve. 460 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 7: It acts like a built in jump starter. You just 461 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 7: have to press the button on the power link that's 462 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 7: included with the battery. It wakes the battery up and 463 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 7: you can start it up and be on your way. 464 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 2: Wow, that's kind of cool. That's that's neat. Now is 465 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 2: that is that part of lithium technology, because my other 466 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 2: question was you know you have and as when you 467 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: talk about your lithium technology, is that hypercore lithium because 468 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: or is hypercore lithium technology and optimum battery something specific? 469 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 7: Also, so, there are a lot of different lithium chemistries 470 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 7: in the market. The lithium chemistry that's used in cell 471 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 7: phones is different than the lithium chemistry that's commonly used 472 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 7: in electric vehicles, and the lithium chemistry that is used 473 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 7: in our batteries is different than both of those. Optimally 474 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 7: uses a lithium iron phosphate chemistry, which is known for 475 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 7: having excellent capability to deliver a burst of power for starting, 476 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 7: but it's also widely considered the safest and the most 477 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 7: abuse tolerant lithium chemistry. And then even within a given 478 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 7: chemistry type our hypercore technology with a different for a 479 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 7: given cell chemistry, you can tune the performance attributes of it. 480 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 7: And that's where our hypercore chemistry comes in. For example, 481 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 7: our Q eight six automotives, starting withium automotive starting battery, 482 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 7: it can crank down the minus twenty fahrenheit. And if 483 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 7: you check other lithium batteries that they are on the market, 484 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 7: they generally recommend that they're not used certainly below zero 485 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 7: fahrenheit and sometimes even ten or twenty degrees fahrenheit. So 486 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 7: I'm in Milwaukee and I can even use one of 487 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 7: those batteries here. 488 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 2: So you're saying, you know, a power sport vehicle, an ATV, 489 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 2: a snowmobile, a wave runner that's gonna that can take 490 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 2: a lithium battery. But you're also saying you have lithium 491 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: technology available for cars, for my camera, for my pickup truck, 492 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 2: for my whatever. 493 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 7: We have a full line of lithium batteries. We have 494 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 7: six different power sports batteries, different sizes to cover over 495 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 7: ninety five percent of the power sports vehicles on the 496 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 7: on the road, everything from a little fifty cc scooter 497 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 7: up to a big, big V twin touring bike, side 498 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 7: by sides and everything in between. We also have a 499 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 7: we have a couple of lithium batteries for marine and 500 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 7: r V applications, and we have a auto and truck 501 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 7: lithium starting battery as well. 502 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 2: So if you make a group thirty five lithium battery 503 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 2: for my camera, right, I'm not saying you do. If 504 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: you do and I want to and I want to 505 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 2: put it in, is it a bolt in or do 506 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 2: I need to do something special? Do I have to 507 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 2: change something because my battery was originally a GM or 508 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,239 Speaker 2: lead acid or whatever it might have been. Is there 509 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 2: is there a difference to the way it's going to 510 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 2: charge or work. 511 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 7: So the physical the physical size of the battery, we 512 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 7: don't actually make the battery that it's a lithium battery 513 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 7: for your camera. 514 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:40,959 Speaker 4: Right. 515 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 7: The lithium automotive battery we make, it's a H six. 516 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 7: It's the most common size used in vehicles in the US. 517 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 7: It is a it's a direct drop in for those 518 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 7: drop in replacement for those vehicles. And the reason that's 519 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 7: possible is both lead acid batteries and lithium batteries. The 520 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 7: ideal charging voltage is very close to fourteen point four volts. 521 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 7: That's also the output the power output level of the 522 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 7: vehicle of vehicle charging systems. So that's what enables you 523 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 7: to be able to put a lithium battery into a 524 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 7: vehicle that originally had a let acid battery without having 525 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 7: to change anything with the charging system or anything else. 526 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 2: And that that lithium battery gives me the advantage that 527 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 2: I'll have more reliable starting power in colder weather, and 528 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 2: more durability, longer lasting. 529 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 7: And that and the because the lithium batteries they have 530 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 7: a they basically they have a battery management system. It's 531 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 7: basically a computer inside, and that enables a bunch of 532 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 7: really cool features for a lithium automotive battery. I was 533 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 7: talking about that built in jumpstart function. So if you 534 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 7: go to the airport, leave your domemite on and jump 535 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 7: on the plane, you come back a couple of days 536 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 7: later in your battery. Instead, our lithium antomne motive batteries 537 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 7: have that same optimus CPR function. The cool thing about 538 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 7: the automotive batteries is you just need to all you 539 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 7: have to do is open up the optimum Bluetooth app 540 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 7: on your phone and it reactivates automatically, turns the battery on. 541 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 7: You don't have to open the hood, you don't have 542 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 7: to tear up our you even start the vehicle up again. 543 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 7: Just open up the app from your driver's seat and 544 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 7: away you go. 545 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 2: You're making it way too easy, Daryl, Darryl, stay put 546 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: to take a pause on the side. I'm ronning Any 547 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 2: in the card doctor. Let's when me come back. I 548 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit about the power Link 549 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 2: system and some of the other things you've got going 550 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: on over there at Optima Batteries. We're here with Daryl 551 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: Brockman from Optima Batteries. I'm ron an Any in the 552 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 2: car doctor. I'll be back right after this. Hey, look 553 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 2: we came back. Ronan Ani in the car doctor. I'm 554 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 2: here with Daryl Brockman. He is the in product planning 555 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 2: over there at Optima Batteries. Darryl. When we pulled away, 556 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: I wanted to jump in real quick too, about the 557 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 2: power Link system. Can you talk about that real quick? 558 00:27:58,600 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 7: Sure? 559 00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 4: So. 560 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 7: Powerlink it's a proprietary system with multiple patterns for battery communication, control, 561 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 7: and charging. It's a corded dongle that's connected to the battery, 562 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 7: and it allows you to know the battery status. Has 563 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 7: multicolored LEDs, so for example, the LED of flash green 564 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 7: if the battery is fully charged, it'll flash red if 565 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 7: the battery needs to be charged. There's a button on 566 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 7: it it allows you to shut the battery down for 567 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 7: off season storage or if you're railing your side by 568 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 7: side to the trails and you want to don't want 569 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 7: to have to worry about it being powered up. You 570 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 7: can just press the button for three seconds it puts 571 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 7: the battery to sleep. I mentioned Optimus pr previously are 572 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 7: built in jumpstart function. It's using that button on the 573 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 7: power link is how you'd wake the battery up again. 574 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 7: And then finally, there's a plug on the end that 575 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 7: enables you to directly plug one of optimized Withium enable 576 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 7: chargers in Freezy maintenance your battery power sports vehicles and motorcycles. 577 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 7: The battery is usually not very convenient to get to. 578 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 7: It can take a half hour of wrenching to even 579 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 7: get to the point where you can see the battery right. 580 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 7: So this cord of dongle allows you to you know, 581 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 7: basically like an extension cord so that you can charge 582 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 7: your battery conveniently without having to break out your run. 583 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: It's sort of like that remote access cord you see 584 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 2: sticking out of the grill of like a diesel plow 585 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: truck when they want to get to the block heater 586 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 2: or something. You're you're just making an access point easy 587 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 2: to get to. 588 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 7: Very similar, and we combine that charging capability with the 589 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 7: LEDs to no battery status and the ability to control 590 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 7: the batteries. 591 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 2: Right, and then it feeds. Is that what feeds back 592 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 2: to the app on the phone if we're doing that. 593 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 7: So the power sports batteries, they have the power Link 594 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 7: our group thirty one batteries that are used for boats 595 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 7: and RBS r Q eight six batteries that would be 596 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 7: used in a number of cars and trucks. Those all 597 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 7: have a Bluetooth app. And that Bluetooth app not only 598 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 7: you know, the first question is why do I need 599 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 7: an app for my battery? I don't care what my 600 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 7: battery is doing. Probably the most useful feature that it 601 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 7: has that people really have been, you know, really very 602 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 7: interested in is if that battery gets discharged down to 603 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 7: thirty five percent, it'll automatically go to sleep. That they're 604 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,479 Speaker 7: optim of CPR function. I was talking about just opening 605 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 7: up by You just have to open up the app 606 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 7: and by doing that and connecting to the battery, it 607 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 7: activates the battery and wakes it back up again when 608 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 7: that built in jumpstart function has been has been activated, 609 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 7: so you don't you don't even have to open up 610 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 7: the hood. 611 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 2: Of the vehicle. 612 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 7: You don't have to make physical contact with the you know, 613 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 7: dig up your trunk. 614 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 2: I want to talk about safety certifications. Why are they 615 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: so important? 616 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 7: The safety certifications? I mean, there's a lot of lithium 617 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 7: battery manufacturers and brands on the market. Agency and safety 618 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 7: certifications are one way to know that the battery has 619 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 7: undergone rigorous testing to ensure safe operation. And there's both 620 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 7: sell and battery level certifications. Optima has both not only 621 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 7: for the US standards, but for international standards as. 622 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 2: Well, so you know, when people are using lithium, and 623 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 2: we hear lithium in the news all the time, right, 624 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 2: we know optims optim has done the research. And that's 625 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: where the safety certifications are so important that we're dealing with. 626 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: We're dealing with the you know, the cream of the crop, 627 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 2: so to speak. You guys are rich that that we're 628 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 2: dealing with a good quality of lithium battery and technology 629 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 2: behind it. 630 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 7: Yeah, Clarius is engineering team. Clarius is the world's largest 631 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 7: battery manufacturer. The engineering team that supported development of these 632 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 7: Optima batteries their normal their normal rule is developing low 633 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 7: voltage energy storage systems for major audio automakers. Clarios is 634 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 7: the world's largest supplier of low voltage energy storage systems 635 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 7: for automakers. That same engineering team with that with their 636 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 7: you know, robust product knowledge and experience with the tech 637 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 7: achnology and battery management system development. That's the team that 638 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 7: supported development of these Optima batteries, and it's really what 639 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 7: enables us to have such high performance, such a unique 640 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 7: and proprietary feature set, and again to have that long 641 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 7: list of agency and safety certifications. 642 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 2: Yep, Daryl, where can the listeners go get more information. 643 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 7: Optima Batteries dot com or our tech support line at 644 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 7: eight eight eight eight Optima Perfect. 645 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 2: Daryl, We'll get together again. I'm on an a, Andy 646 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: and the car Doctor. We'll be back right after this. Hey, 647 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 2: once again, thank you to my special guest Daryl Brockman 648 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 2: for taking the time. Battery technology is evolving. I still 649 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: think batteries are evolving faster than the rest of the 650 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 2: car when you look at it, because it's it's it's lithium, 651 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 2: it's conventional, it's a GM, it's the way we test it. 652 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 2: It's the chargers, it's the maintainers. It's just accelerating like 653 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 2: a rocket ship. About six months ago, maybe eight months ago, 654 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 2: we did a test. We unwrapped one of Optima's, the 655 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 2: D four hundred plus battery maintainer. It's up on our 656 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 2: YouTube channel if you go take a look at it. 657 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 2: Just go out look for ron Anannie in the card 658 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 2: doctor or type in Optima D four hundred plus Battery 659 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 2: Maintainer and look at all the little technology that's in 660 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 2: that box. And it's just crazy what we need. And 661 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 2: it's also crazy what the tooling will do because of 662 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 2: the newer technology. So yeah, just a great interview. I 663 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 2: could have talked to Darryl for another hour. I kind 664 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 2: of geek out on that stuff. To quote Daryl, Darrel 665 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 2: says he's a geek with batteries. Yeah, I'm a geek 666 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 2: with batteries. To Daryl, that's why I get you. That's 667 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 2: why it was a pleasure to have you. So you 668 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 2: will find more information once again at Optima Batteries dot com. 669 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 2: Well I can tell by the music. Tom's trying to 670 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 2: get rid of me. He must think it's time for 671 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 2: me to go, so go I must, And let me 672 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 2: just say it's been a pleasure. I hope you guys 673 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 2: have a great rest of the weekend, however long it 674 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 2: lasts for you, until the next time we get together. 675 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 2: I'm Ronan Aannie in the card doctor, minding you good. 676 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 2: Mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you