1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast. We'll get you out of 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: shady business deals. Welcome to another edition of the Around 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast, a special edition of the Around the 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hands. I'm joined in 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes, Mark Cessler, Chris Westling and 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: Greg Rosenhal. What is up, boys, Dan? And Well we 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: talked about on Sunday Show, and check out the week 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: seventeen recap that we rolled out late last night for 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: the latest in the NFL, uh in terms of the games. 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 1: But what we're talking about today is listen. Internally, it's 11 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: been told stay away from Black Monday. Don't use the term. 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: It's a little bit of sensitive issue. Oh that's right. 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: But even um I mentioned that this is a special episode. Mark, 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: you told me on Sunday Show. Special maybe not the 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: word to use in the circumstances. Dog Mark wouldn't see. 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: So let me just you know, say we and we 17 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: coined this on our Twitter show, which you could also 18 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: check out a lot of content. But this is not 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: our Black Monday podcast, Greg, it is our New Horizons 20 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: Past New Horizons Monday. It feels like I'm being sent 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: away against the actually a new a new UM podcast 22 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: that we're starting called the New Horizons Podcast, another revenue stream, 23 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: more advertisers, and we're going to explore the mind and 24 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: the body. So yes, this is something of a mini 25 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: pod or we seek seek to have it be a 26 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: little shorter than a typical pod. But what we're gonna 27 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: do is spin through each of the teams that are 28 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: involved with comings and goings uh in the big chair, 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: UM and talk about what what's the latest as of Monday, UM, 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: mid afternoon here on the West Coast. Also at the 31 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: end of the show, UM, we will throw it to 32 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: a good back and forth conversation we had with NFL 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: Networks Mike Kara Folo on our Twitter show when we 34 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: talked about UH, some teams, some vacancies, a little talk 35 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: about Nick Foles. He's at the Eagles facility, Uh, Mike. 36 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: So that will come up a little later in the show. 37 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: But let's get to it. Let's stag in right now 38 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: and start with the news that West we thought really 39 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: would never come because of the way the the organization operates, UM. 40 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: And frankly the reports ahead of time that UM, the 41 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: Bengals were leaving it up to Marvin Lewis whether he 42 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: wanted to return for what is it? A well, Marvin 43 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: Lewis is an idee season? Is that what it would 44 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: have been? That was what was out there? And then 45 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: I woke up this morning and there it is. Marvin 46 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: Lewis and the Bengals decide uh mutually to move on 47 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: once and for all, after sixteen years no playoff wins, 48 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: a conscious uncoupling. You could call it Mark Seler Apple 49 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: uh minus Apple West, Marvin Lewis and the Cincinnati Bengals 50 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 1: once and finally no more. Well, as Solomon Wilcots once 51 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: told you, for your pain, rankings are cool. Marvin Lewis 52 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: raised the Titanic in Cincinnati. I think newer football fans 53 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: would not believe how sunk this Bengals franchise was before 54 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis arrived. The previous coaches under Mike Brown from 55 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: two thousand three had a winning percentage of to seventy. 56 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: That is almost unprecedented, maybe unprecedented. This is this not 57 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: even a good batting average in baseball. This organization is 58 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: sort of a vanishing breed as a family run operation 59 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: in a business that hopes to be breaking in billion 60 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: annually by two thousand seven. No one. This is unique 61 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: to the Bengals. No one knows the organizational structure. You 62 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: can't say that about any of the other thirty one 63 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: teams in the NFL. No one really knows who's calling 64 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: the shots and what shots are being called, and what 65 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: sort of the flow chart is there. And I think 66 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: that's why that's one of the reasons why Marvin Lewis 67 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: stuck around for so long. He had a lot of 68 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: influence in the draft room, a lot more than most 69 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: coaches do. And I think that that organization has not 70 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: been confident they could find an upgrade on Marvin Lewis. Well. 71 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: He he rebuilt them. It was one of the great 72 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: rebuilding jobs of the last decade and it's unfortunate they 73 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: couldn't get over the hump to just win one playoff 74 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: game to get that off their back, because I love 75 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: those mid two thousands Bengals teams. They were fun to 76 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: watch and what you're talked about with the organization. Bengals fans, 77 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: I know have a complicated relationship with Marvin Lewis and 78 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: it definitely went on too long. But what he did 79 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: was make Mike Brown, their owner, start to modernize. They 80 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: basically didn't have a scouting department. They didn't have a 81 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: personnel department. Like he made them start hiring as part 82 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,799 Speaker 1: of even staying with the job back in two thousand 83 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: and eleven. He made them say, hey, we gotta update, 84 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: we need a scouting department, we need to do this 85 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: and that, and and I think he did a good job. 86 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: He was there too long. But if you kind of like, 87 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: look at what he accomplished compared to what the other 88 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: five coaches who lost their jobs in the last two 89 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: days of companies, like, there's no comparison. And it's almost 90 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: a bit of a shame that I think he's been 91 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: used as a punchline over the last few years, including 92 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: by us. Well, I'll admit it's that's all well and good, 93 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: but I also feel like he's someone that was given 94 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: a endless string of rope to not achieve nearly as 95 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: much as you would want someone that if you were 96 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: a Bengals fan back in two thousand and three and said, 97 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: we've just hired Marvin Lewis and here's the good news. 98 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: He's gonna do enough to stick around for sixteen years, 99 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: you would have to think, not only are we gonna 100 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: win a playoff game, or two, but you're probably gonna 101 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: get a Super Bowl appearance in there, because coaches don't 102 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: stick around that long. But this is a different team 103 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: to West's point, and they're perfectly willing and capable and 104 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: patient enough to a fault to stick around with Andy 105 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: Dalton when other teams are urgently looking to upgrade at 106 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: the most important position there is. And they had one 107 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: of the a f c's most talented rosters a couple 108 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: of seasons ago, and you still can't win a playoff game. 109 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: I don't know what more Marvin Lewis needed to do 110 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: to not have this job at this point. Here's neatly 111 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: sums up your point. There are two coaches in NFL 112 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: history to twelve years without a Super Bowl appearance and 113 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: not be fired, Marvin Lewis and Chuck Noll. And it 114 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: happened for Chuck Noll after he had that leeway of 115 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: going winning four Super Bowls. Marvin Lewis had leeway of 116 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: raising the Titanic. UH. For what it's worth, Marvin uh 117 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: Lewis in his press conference today, UH endorsed Hugh Jackson 118 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: as his replacement. Here's what Lewis had to say. I 119 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: think he's more than qualified. Um, I think he's been 120 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: in a couple of difficult situations and uh, you know, 121 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: and and that's tough, and and it hasn't broke his way. 122 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: But I think he's an excellent football coach. He's a 123 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: great motivator and uh uh you know, he's detailed and 124 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: and so I think he, you know, he deserves an opportunity. 125 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: If not here's somewhere else. So Hugh Jackson, if he 126 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: got another job, you wouldn't think he could get another 127 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: job anywhere else. But maybe Cincinnati is again West, the 128 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: one operation that runs itself so differently that Hugh Jackson 129 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: impossibly gets another chance in the big chair. You have 130 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: asked me many times on this podcast if I feel 131 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: sorry for Bengals fans, if I take their feelings into consideration. 132 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: I've never felt sorry for Bengals fans, because I think 133 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: they do it to themselves. If they hire Hugh Jackson, 134 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: I will feel sorry. That the vibe doesn't seem like 135 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: they will. They're interviewing Darren Simmons, their special teams coordinator, 136 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: Bill Laser, offensive coordinator. They've asked to interview Zack Taylor. 137 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: I don't know just the way that Marvin Lewis was 138 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: talking about it. I think I don't know if Mike 139 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: Brown is as big a fan of Hugh Jackson as 140 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis. Can we spread a wider net than just 141 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: simply the people already on the payroll. This is so 142 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: Bengals like that. I want to see what's going in 143 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: their rams. Quarterbacks coach Josh McDaniels. They requested, I can't 144 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: a job Josh McDaniels would want to take it. Don't 145 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: do it, don't do it. I feel bad for the Cincinnatians. 146 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: I don't think Hugh Jackson has earned that, to be honest, 147 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, the issue is not just the 148 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: football acumen. It was the person still experience of Hugh Jackson. 149 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: Cleveland to sell it, Mark, everyone knows there should be 150 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: no Hugh Jackson gets another head coaching. That was a joke. 151 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: You're free, Mark, you're saying still damaged. The Miami Dolphins 152 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: also made a move on Monday. They fire Adam Gaze 153 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: here on Bright Horizons Monday after three seasons. I don't 154 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: know if the coaches would agree with this title, but 155 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: Horizons is the name reportedly looking into broadcasting. Maybe front 156 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: office who knows those are new horizons for him. UM 157 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: Adam Gaze out after three years and UH the Dolphins 158 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: for the fourth time this decade will look for a 159 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: new head coach. UH. The team also promoted GM Chris 160 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: Greer to oversee the football operations. A tough day for 161 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: friends of you Around the NFL podcast, Mike Tannebaum reassigned. 162 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: He had been the e v P of football operations. 163 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,959 Speaker 1: So tan Obam has been on our show. Adam Gaze, 164 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: who was on our show in March, both swept out 165 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: in Miami and Greg, I know you got takes on this. 166 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: You think this is the worst job out there right 167 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: now because Da've showed no long term vision. They never 168 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: replace everyone at once. They always keep one guy. At 169 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: one point they kept their GM, then brought in Tannebomb 170 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: above him, then fired the GM and brought in another 171 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: fake GM kept their coach. But then GM Chris Chris 172 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: Greer when he was hired was not did not have 173 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: anything that Yeah, it was fake GM. He had no 174 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: decision and now he does because he's won some political power. 175 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: Strip Serena Williams. Fake GMS like shared a little office 176 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: with two computers facing the opposite Wait for Gloria Stefan 177 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: was like the fake UM football operations head Venus William 178 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: Hergie was in analytic it was it's always these little 179 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: internal battles that different people are fighting to try to 180 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: keep their jobs. That's number one. So I don't have 181 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: any faith the organization will make a good choice or 182 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: that it's a good setup. And the number two of 183 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: the rosters bad. That you're gonna have to have all 184 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: this dead money with Ryan Tanna and then what do 185 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: you have? You have Xavian Howard and Laramie Tunzil and 186 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: not a good home crow. Just there's not there's nothing 187 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: really to like. I totally agree with either, and I 188 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: guess you could have viewed it as a bit of 189 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: a couda ta When they got Adam Gaze, who years ago, 190 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: not long ago, was seen as the next great mastermind. 191 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: They called him the next Don Shula to come to Miami. 192 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: And now it's names like Eric b Enemy and Mike 193 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: Munchak and Vic Fangio that they're going to interview. It's like, 194 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: wait a minute, you just had this next Bix the 195 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: Bex big thing, and you couldn't make it work. And 196 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: this is so all the people were talking about today 197 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: they get hired with all these spells and whistles and 198 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: parades and draperies, they're all gonna be gone to three years. 199 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: A lot of loves still. I mean, he's he's got 200 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: relationships with the media and and a media, some of 201 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: them close to us, I'm sure. But immediately it's a 202 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: talk that he's got an interview and the Browns is 203 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: the most common common jobs. Quake me up Hugh Jackson 204 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: or Adam Gaze, Adam Gaze. It's a good it's a 205 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: good upgrade ultimately over Hugh Jackson. And yes, that's not 206 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: an extremely tough question. At the time, you were pretty 207 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 1: excited about h of course I was to case in point, 208 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: who's the next guy we're all excited about talk to 209 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: me seven days from now. Mark, you're very intense right now, 210 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: Well because because because you know what a big part 211 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: of this is. When we're when you're in this thing 212 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: and we're watching NFL Network for six am, and tell 213 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: me everything is the sky is falling left and right 214 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: all over the place. All of this is the biggest 215 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: news ever. But the rate of these coaching hires suggests 216 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: that the vast majority when you hire eight, six or 217 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: seven or and go totally south. It's kind of depressing. Well, 218 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: which takes us to um the Arizona Cardinals. They make 219 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: the decision and this is something that we kind of 220 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: knew was coming, but it's also now official. Steve Wilkes hired. 221 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: He gets one year, he takes over team. Remember what 222 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 1: we talked about men? Uh man, I call you usually 223 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: call you boys. Well, we've we've matured on this day. 224 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: I mean we've either sired multiple children or overcome cancer. 225 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: I think we deserve the title men, kids having kids 226 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: having kids? Is this the most masculine podcast? Erica? Oh yeah, alright, anyway, 227 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: echo chamber. So no, what was I talking about? I'm 228 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: so caught up with Steve. When Steve Wilkes got hired. 229 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: I remember we were all at the scouting combine in 230 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 1: February and we all kind of had a conversation. I 231 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: think we talked about on this very pod that Steve 232 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: Wilkes was the guy where you kind of felt a 233 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: little sorry for him because a lot of these other teams, 234 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:31,719 Speaker 1: even Jon Gruden, who got a lot of attention to 235 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: the combine, there was there was excitement around the team 236 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: and the idea of a new horizon, uh and a 237 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: lot to build on potentially, and and Wilkes it never 238 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: had that, and and they do when they went and 239 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: they got Josh Rosen, which I thought was the right 240 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: move at the time, but nothing really came of that 241 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: um at least in his first year. And I just 242 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: feel like Wilkes kind of got a raw deal here. 243 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if he was the guy or not 244 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: the guy, but he got written off by about eight 245 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: games into the season. And these guys deserve more time 246 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: to mature into the job. I don't I don't think 247 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: that's how you do business. They've also fired Byron Leftwich, 248 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: who was the second offensive coordinator they had the season 249 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: after firing Mike McCoy and Byron left which was meant 250 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: to be someone that they could build around and a 251 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: young coach that they could grow. And the Cardinals are 252 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: a good example of zero patients, a situation where why 253 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: are we giving an NFL coach one year to take 254 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: over a bad organization. I look at it was it 255 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: was a hard to watch team. There wasn't a lot happening. 256 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: There's like one of the one of the coaches that 257 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: wants to fit players into his you know scheme that 258 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: is immovable, and that is he's got to learn from that. 259 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: If you're Steve Wilkes at the same time and he 260 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: never even got a chance, I agree. I just something 261 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: about it seems very unfair. I think you shouldn't be. 262 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: That's the job of a coordinator. You should be you 263 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: should know what you're doing. And you're NFL when you 264 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: get the it's your first job. I don't care what 265 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: that's what the coordinating position is for president of the 266 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: United States. There's a learning curve to every job you 267 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: work in, and you and you if you are running 268 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: a hub NFL level offense for sixteen games, which he 269 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: was when he said all offseason everything we're gonna do 270 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: is based on the run and the offensive line, and 271 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 1: he had one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL. 272 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: Do you want to hear from your coach in two 273 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen, everything we're gonna do is based on the run, 274 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: one of the worst five offenses in the Football Outsiders 275 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: era according to their numbers. That I think part of 276 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: the factor here was Steve kim Their GM is very 277 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: much on the hot seat, but is allowed to keep 278 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: his job. And I you just get the sense they're 279 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: almost giving Time one chance to take a mulligan, because 280 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: Wilkes wasn't his first choice by any means according to reports, 281 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: and like whatever, this new tandem is Time and the 282 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: new coach is gonna have a short show and it 283 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: real quick. It's not a good look that Mike McCarthy's 284 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: name was floated out. There is the Cardinals being very 285 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: interested and wanting to give him a lot of power 286 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: to come in and have personnel power, and Mike McCarthy, 287 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: from what we're hearing, has no interest in going there. 288 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: Not a good start. So here's the other way to 289 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: look at it, Because I do I do you think 290 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: give me a coach one year is not good business? 291 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: But Steve will vance Joseph in Denver. They the Broncos 292 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: had not had back to back losing seasons since the 293 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, early in the nineteen seventies, which is a 294 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: remarkable achievement, uh in any era, but especially in the 295 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: salary cap era. Well, Joseph comes and they just can't 296 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: get it together. And you remember there were a lot 297 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: there was a lot of whispers that Joseph was maybe 298 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: a one and done candidate last year they gave Joseph 299 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: another season to get it going, they gave him a 300 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: better quarterback in case Keenum, but Greg, ultimately they just 301 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: cannot get anything going in the way they ended the season. Uh, 302 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: maybe just so solidified that it was time for him 303 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: to move on. There's not much to to like about 304 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: this situation again because you don't have a quarterback. I mean, 305 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: you have Von Miller, so I would take it over 306 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: the Dolphins job. You have Chris Harris, you have a 307 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: couple of players. You have uh, a guy in John 308 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: Elway who I don't think really is struggling for job security. Uh. 309 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: You wonder if Gary Kubiak would listen to to becoming 310 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: a head coach again, it sounds like he wants John Elway, 311 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: would love Gary Kubiak to be the coordinator and they 312 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: bring in someone with Well, there are reports out there 313 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: that John Elway would really love to somehow trade for 314 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: John Harbor. That's that's the next Broncos. Yeah, Mike garafolo 315 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: Ian Rapport have kind of thrown that out there as 316 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: the Dolphins for Broncos as two teams that that would 317 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: love to go after John Harper. But why would I 318 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: don't think the Ravens are gonna do. I also found 319 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: it interesting that Elway came out and said that Adam Case, 320 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: who was their offensive coordinator and someone that Elway thought 321 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: that was not ready to be a head coach some 322 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: years back, is saying no, he's not a candidate at all. 323 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't love that. No, I just think 324 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: that's it's a it's just not the only one. Okay, 325 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: what was that, Eric? I don't know it was it appropriate? 326 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: It was way inappropriate totally, especially on New Horizons or 327 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: spot on um. Yeah, So it's it's a it's a 328 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: tough job. It's a defense that is underperformed. And Joseph 329 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: was a defensive guy. So the the and that's the 330 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: whole thing too. With all this West there's eight head 331 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: coach openings and everyone wants to go in the new 332 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: direction in the NFL, which is get an offensive minded guy. 333 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: And I would think Elway is the same way. But 334 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: there's not I mean, there's a lot of openings and 335 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: maybe not a lot of guys even capable for the gig. 336 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: It's a good time to be an offensive coordinator with 337 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: some pedigree, it is. I mean, I I totally agree 338 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: that you don't know where they'll turn. There are tons 339 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: of candidates who are offensive minds. Nobody knows if they're 340 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: gonna be good head coaches. And I have no problem 341 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: with Vance Joseph being out after some of the coaching 342 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: strategy he's used throughout games. But I think that John 343 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: Elway is getting off easy. And I'm not sure exactly 344 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: what Joe Ellis does are responsible for. He seems to 345 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: be running the whole operation. I mean, there's essentially of 346 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: an ownership vacuum because of what's happening with the Bowland 347 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: family and fight over inheritance. But Joe Alice is running 348 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: the business. He's essentially running like an owner would. His 349 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: His and John's fingerprints are all over these disappointed seasons. 350 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: Think of how many different coaches and quarterbacks Elway has 351 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: had in his time. And there's a great stat it's 352 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: a little unfair, but a great stat that Elway was 353 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: twenty and twenty eight in the three years, you know, 354 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: before Manning arrived, in the three outside yeah, and outside 355 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: of Jerry Jones, John Elway is the closest there is 356 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: to a GMA. Simply would have to fire himself to 357 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: be removed because he's you know, and I don't know. 358 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: If he has another advanced Joseph and another brock Off, 359 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: I would think you're gonna fire him. Who fires John 360 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: Elway in ten for that? Does he? I mean it 361 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: helped that he had a very good um draft and 362 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: broad in he did good talent. However, yes, the quarterback position, 363 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: which is ironic obviously because of what he did for 364 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: a living before he went into car sales and then 365 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: uh into the front office. But well worn path, yeah, 366 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: well worn path. But you just you get the feeling 367 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: that he has no idea what to do a quarterback 368 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: because again, we don't have a strong quarterback class. You 369 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: have Case Keenom, I think under contract for one more year, 370 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: seven million dollars guaranteed next year. So right, it's almost 371 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: And then they have a bunch of guys on the 372 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 1: who's on the market. It's guys that are kind of 373 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: in the case Keenom tier of quarterbacks, so they're kind 374 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: of caught in between. Meanwhile, Von Miller, who's one of 375 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: the great defenders of this era, is gonna continue to 376 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: get older and get paid a ton of money. It's 377 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: a tough situation in Denver, not high up on the 378 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: list of best jobs, is it Let's say number six, 379 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: number six of eight. Number wait, let me just go 380 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: through this. Bengals, I have them eight, I would have 381 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: them probably seven. This is a weird way to mark. 382 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: What do you have? Where do you have the Dolphins? 383 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: I had the Dolphins above the Bengals. I would say 384 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: Dolphins seven, Bengals ages. Yeah, they're in the middle somewhere 385 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: because they got a pen I like Rose, and they 386 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: have the number one pick. They have some recent track. 387 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: This is taking some mental energy to go backwards on 388 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: all I don't even have a list. So well, that's good. 389 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the Jets. Todd Bowls 390 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: officially out. He was let go on Sunday night. This 391 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: was the worst kept secret in the NFL. We knew 392 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: Balls was gone once the Jets season spirals. He loses 393 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: forty games in four years. That's not a good average. 394 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: No playoff appearances. Uh well, there was a report that 395 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh that the Jets would shake the tree and 396 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 1: see if maybe they could get Jim out of Michigan. Um, 397 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: but there's now the idea that Jim is not going anywhere. 398 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: And beyond that. In a press conference, today Chris Johnson, 399 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: who is the acting owner while Woody UH is overseas 400 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: as the UK ambassador UM. He is going to keep 401 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: UM general manager Mike mccagnen aboard. They are going to 402 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: the new head coach, whoever it is, and mccagnet will 403 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: both answer to UH ownership. So Jim Harbaugh, Typer, anybody 404 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: that is UH, you know, a CEO type, one of 405 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: those big names, is not gonna want that arrangement. So 406 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: it does give you pause as a Jets ven. You 407 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: always get nervous because you want the gym to hire him, 408 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: don't you. You do and you and you wanted to 409 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: answer the gym. But the Jets part of these teams 410 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: that struggle year after year after year, they like we're 411 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: talking about, don't always have the right set up and 412 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,719 Speaker 1: they're sticking with Big Mac, but they're going to have 413 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 1: a structure. That makes me nervous that they're gonna end 414 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: up with a rough set up, just like it was 415 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: when they paired Rex Rex Ryan with John Iszic, which 416 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: was a disaster. And then they had our boy Castle 417 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: Lee Charlie Castle Lely UH lead the search that led 418 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: to Todd Bowles and mccagnet being paired. They didn't even 419 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,959 Speaker 1: know each other beforehand. I just want there to be 420 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: some type of level of competence with this search. And 421 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: it's hard for me to get excited because I'm I'm 422 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: worried that this team time and time again does not 423 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: do that. Greg mentioned the Dolphins. Uh, the paradigm. That's 424 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: so confusing for anyone outside to understand what's attractive about it. 425 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: These things where you have coach and GM both reporting 426 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: to the owner almost invariably lead to you know, in 427 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: fighting and one trying to win favor and often a 428 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: power struggle. And I would say, outside of Mike mccagnen 429 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: making a savvy trade that led to Sam Donald all 430 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: credit due, this roster is in rough shape. Yeah, that's fine, 431 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: that's that was your move. But what is your What 432 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: is it about Mike mccagnen. But that, to me is 433 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: like that's not enough. He did a great job getting 434 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: that trade done, But it is about roster. It's the 435 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: one position that can save your job if you make 436 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: a trade. And that turned out to be an incredibly 437 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: savvy trade with the Cults, and he got lucky too. 438 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: There's luck that's involved as a component, but that's how 439 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: sports is. But this is still the man you're leaning 440 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: on to build the rest of roster around your young quarterback. 441 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: That's I'm not gonna say mccagnon is the right guy. 442 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know if he is. Follow the 443 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: Jets is well as Dan does. But Christopher Johnson, everything 444 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: I've read and seeing from him, I trust him. He 445 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: seems to have a good head on shures, he seems 446 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: to know what he's doing. I would have way more 447 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: confidence in him picking a coach than that. He's not. 448 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: He's not the owner. He's the acting owner. But for 449 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: all intents and purposes, the current owner is kind of 450 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: who knows, you know, he's the right now the ambassador 451 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: U to the UK. Not a lot of people in 452 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: that administration have kept jobs for too long, and we're 453 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: about halfway through what it sounds. It sounds like Chris Johnson, 454 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 1: it's his it's his gig. They haven't they have confirmed 455 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: or there's been multiple pull reports that they've requested to 456 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: talk with Todd Monkin, who's kind of fun, Eric b 457 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: Enemy from the Chiefs, and Chris Richard from the Cowboys, 458 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: and they were turned down by Matt Campbell, who's the 459 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: Iowa state coach, who's gonna who's probably turning down any Yeah, 460 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: it's not just a ch I mean it's the Eric 461 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: b Enemy should be not new news. That was mentioned 462 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: on our Twitter show just a couple of weeks ago. 463 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: Insider marxis soh you mentioned it? Yeah, nice little Phil 464 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: in the blank game. Oh yeah, A lot of the 465 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: things just felle twenty days ago. Let's move on to 466 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: the Bucks. Dirk cutter out after three seasons, three lost 467 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: seasons in Tampa. There is no progress, no growth, and 468 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: maybe Chris Westling a lot of that can be attributed 469 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 1: to getting into bed with Jamis Winston is the face 470 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: year franchise who was suspended to start the season, who 471 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: was benched. But it sounds like the Bucks as an 472 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: organization are still behind uh, their former first overall pick. 473 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 1: So whoever takes this job is gonna have to figure 474 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: out how to make that work. I don't think they're 475 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: really that much behind Jameis Winston. I think they're saying 476 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: we're going to foot the twenty million dollar bill for 477 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: next year to give him a one year audition on 478 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: top of the four years we've already seen. But he's 479 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: not a part of the coaching search like you would 480 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: expect from a number one overall draft pick, and fans, 481 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm with you that I don't even know if he's 482 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: guaranteed to make the t It almost just makes sense 483 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: to keep him on a one year contract. They have 484 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: the number five pick in the draft, and you would 485 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: think they'll be looking at the quarterbacks. I know it's 486 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: not a great class, but they have to be looking 487 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: at a quarter and that pick comes one one pick 488 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: before the New York Giants, so you know that that 489 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: could become a very important moment in the draft. Not 490 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: a terrible roster, I know they this is one of 491 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: the worst franchise in the league. I think they have 492 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: one winning season and in a long stretch, but not 493 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: the worst roster out there. James light the GM who 494 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: is sticking around, said today of Winston, he has done 495 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: some amazing things. There's a lot to like about Jamis 496 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: and he'll be here next year. So yeah, let'sn't say 497 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: anything beyond next year. But for me, if you're the 498 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: head if you take the head coach job with the 499 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: understanding that that's your guy, you gotta have a plan. 500 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: And it is interesting how many of these gms on 501 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: the hot seat all kept their jobs. David Caldwell and Jacksonville, 502 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: Steve Kim in Arizona, Jason Light and Tampa, and Mike 503 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: mccagney in New York are for off the top of 504 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: the firing season for gms is different than coaches. I 505 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: mean the deep in draft and scoutings they give fired 506 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: throughout the off season in March June May. I mean, 507 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: you don't see coaches getting firing fired, I haven't. You're 508 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: gonna think this is a joke question, It honestly is not. 509 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: I have a serious question. If you are a coach 510 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: with two or three offers, and you are someone that, 511 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: like I, have a physical, nauseating response to the Buck's uniform, 512 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: would you go to a completely different organization where you 513 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: love the look of field, the stadium, the way it 514 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: looks on television, the uniforms from top to bottom. Or 515 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: is am I being utterly insane? I think that you 516 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: have to trust your instincts and if you're and if 517 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: you don't like an area, if you're not gonna find it. 518 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: Would keep me in bed here. I mean it happened 519 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: to be we're talking about him dirt Cutter is considered 520 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: the front runner for the Falcons offensive coordination. Yeah, that guy. 521 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: I got really nervous there. I thought, it's like, this 522 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: is this whole thing is gonna be a stressful process. 523 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: So air Cutter is going back to Atlanta possibly. I mean, 524 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 1: that's the heavy front runner. According to de Orlando Ledban, 525 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 1: We've seen Daryl Bevil's name with the Falcons and Gary Kubiak. 526 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: Let's talk about another big hiring on Monday, or not 527 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: a firing here on New Horizons Monday, but a hiring 528 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: on New Horizons Monday. It is a new horizon for 529 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: Mike Mayock, the draft guru who has anchored the NFL 530 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 1: network coverage of the draft in the process leading up 531 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: to the draft for years and has really built a name, 532 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 1: is one of the more knowledgeable UM College talent scouts 533 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: there is, at least on the on the old boob tube. 534 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: Well the Raiders, they say, hey, bro, you wanna go 535 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: work in the front office. You want the highest post 536 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: that we have. Uh, you're the general manager. Now you 537 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: are replacing Reggie mackenzie. So uh And Mike Mayex says, okay, Bro, 538 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,680 Speaker 1: I will take that job. That's that's not a bad gig. 539 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: I like going on TV or being rich. Uh, I 540 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: mean eyes and we get a long Well that's fine, 541 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: that's all good. But you're gonna give me a GM spot, 542 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: get a nice office, get a parking spot. I'm the 543 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: GM of an NFL team now, Mike Mayock. The parking 544 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: spot turned the tides here. It didn't hurt I One 545 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: thing is with the Niners when they went and hired 546 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: John Lynch and people thought, how can this work? It's 547 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: it's someone with no developmental skills, like that's a former 548 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: player who's in the media. I think it's it's an 549 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: outside the boxy of like temper tensions and stuff like 550 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: who like eight crayons and stuff. John Lynch just that 551 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: he was not he didn't come from that background. Maybe 552 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: a term from like a preschool like that enough parallel 553 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,719 Speaker 1: what term even? Oh well, no, I mean just that, 554 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, the background was not syncd up with the 555 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: league thinks the same way about all these people. It's 556 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: like Mayok to me is an interesting higher and I mean, 557 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: who's who deserves more of a shop from the media 558 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: than like Mayok. It's an interesting pairing with John gruten Well, 559 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: who their friends who has been scouting you know, college 560 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: players more. Obviously people inside the Enda fell are doing 561 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: it as well, but they're looking for a specific skill 562 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: set and Mayok has been looking for every team. He 563 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: is known to be very close with Paul Gunther, who's 564 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator, and he mentioned that may Octed in 565 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: his press conference saying I know exactly what Paul is 566 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: looking for and I and you know, I know how 567 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: to find those you know types of players. I think 568 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: it's cool. He's a sixty year old guy who it's 569 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: who probably thought like this is my chance, Like you're 570 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: only gonna live one life, and it's it's an interesting 571 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: setup and everything, but it's like, do you wanna if 572 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: you're in his position and as an analyst, do you 573 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: want to do that your whole life? Or do you 574 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: want to try to be in the game? You know 575 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: what I mean? If you want to go for you 576 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: want to risky? But why not it's and year after 577 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: year do the same thing and just live a cycle 578 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: year after year after year and nothing ever changes and 579 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: it's different season, but it's the same thing over and 580 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: over and over again. Or do you want to go well? 581 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: Join as a GM somewhere. I like that, But there's 582 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: a flip side to that. Dan, that was a dark 583 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: look into your psyche. I don't know where this is. 584 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening here. Well, that was making 585 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: a reference to our our lives. No, I do not 586 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: want to suddenly necessarily they would be attached to the 587 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: success of the Oakland Raiders a year from now, where 588 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: every draft season, if you're Mike Mayock, you're put out 589 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: there as this mastermind that has these massive media calls 590 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: with everyone clutching to you and your information, and you 591 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: put out there's a hero and you know, I know, 592 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: I know he does. I'm just saying that there's a 593 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: flip side of this, and asked John Gruden is the 594 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,719 Speaker 1: first person asked, like a year ago, you're John Gruden, 595 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: television guy that everyone wants, and now you're John Gruden wants. 596 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: It's a challenge. It's a challenge, and I think, hand 597 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: up for it. And like Parcels, it's like he always 598 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: talked about, you want to go to the one and 599 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: fifteen team. I mean, you're not gonna get worse. And 600 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: it turns Daniel Jeremiah into the most powerful figure at 601 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: our network and someone who is a generally nice guy 602 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: who is probably going to turn into an absolute nightmare 603 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: now that he's been given their new power. I think 604 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: the real under the radar breaking news from that whole 605 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: segment was Dan's trying to bring boob to back my 606 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: dad when I was like nine years old, and it's 607 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: on the old boob, the old boob. Do hey get 608 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: the clicker? Alright? How about your Cleveland Browns Mark Um? Obviously, 609 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: um Greg Williams is formally interviewing for the for the 610 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: head coaching job. He was the interim and did quite well, uh, 611 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: taking over for Hugh Jackson. So he interviews on Tuesday. 612 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: Um Freddie Kitchens does he get an interview himself in 613 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: the process. I Actually, the one thing that that encourages 614 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: me amidst certain some gossip and rumors that have me 615 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: highly concerned, as you know, is that they have announced 616 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: more than double any other team of the people that 617 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: they're interviewing. It sounds like they're gonna take their time. 618 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, Matt Eperflus, Brian Flores, Mike Munchak, Mike McCarthy, 619 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: Adam Gaze, Kevin Stefans, Cults so seen x Sirianni and 620 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: Jim Colwell. I mean, it's just like, at least you're 621 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: I hope, because my concern was they're going to interview 622 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: two people and someone's just gonna hire Mike McCarthy and 623 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: not think about it. I hope that they're open minded 624 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: enough ownership, front office, all of them to be wowed 625 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: by someone different than we expect. I want John Dorsey 626 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: to make the decision. I absolutely think that is how 627 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: it must go, and I'm not convinced that's how it's 628 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: going to go at all. It's the only thing around 629 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: the Browns. It's a great desirable job with the best 630 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: up and coming quarterback in the league and a ton 631 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: of UH talent on the roster, and they already proven 632 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: in the seven eight in one season they can hang 633 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: with anyone. A lot of people WI pick him as 634 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: a playoff team. But will they get out of the 635 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: way upstairs in ownership because they have mettled time and 636 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: time again in the last seven or eight years, however 637 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: long has um has been there. Will they stay out 638 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: of the way. Dorsey deserves a wide birth because he 639 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: had a nice first year with this team. Will he 640 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: get it? I think the the one concerned lingering with 641 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: and look at who knows that Adam Gaze couldn't go 642 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: to another team and do a good job, But it is. 643 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: Jimmy Haslam and Peyton Manning are legit very very close friends, 644 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: to the point that years, for years there were rumors 645 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: that Peyton Manning was going to become high up in 646 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: Cleveland's front office. That they're super tight because of their 647 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: Tennessee ties, and Peyton Manning is is in ownership's ear 648 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: saying Adam Gaze is the guy, so he's gonna have 649 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: from top down. You're gonna have to be wowed by 650 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: someone else for a change of direction if that's how 651 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: this is actually playing out behind the scenes. Um. Lastly, 652 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: the packers, what are you hearing? Greg? Well? My sources 653 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: on the ground, that's nice. Josh McDaniels is one of 654 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: the names. When I say what are you hearing? I'm 655 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: talking about what you're you're watching on the boob tube 656 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: of yourself. Yeah. Josh McDaniels was requested for an interview 657 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: Zach Taylor, who's kind of like the next I guess 658 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: people are wondering if he's the next McVeigh because he's 659 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: worked under McVeigh. He's in his twenties. I believe still 660 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: is was requested for an interview. It sounds like they're 661 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: going to go through a pretty long list. Pat Fitzgerald, 662 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 1: the Northwestern coach who once was very close and worked 663 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: under Mark Murphy, who is essentially their acting owner. It 664 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: seems like the favorite just because of that relationship. Well, 665 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: so I know that you every Saturday sit down and 666 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: watch Northwestern on that special cable package you have. What 667 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,839 Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the coach? Well, I do have 668 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 1: a friend from Tybee Island who's a chiropractor and his 669 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 1: close friends with Pet Fitzgerald. Wow, so they like they're 670 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: from the same area. They've known each other since childhood. 671 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: And he speaks in glowing terms to get him on 672 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: the show. Doug Bisbie's his name, Gerald, I don't care 673 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 1: about Sorry, sorry, Dr don Um. All right, And we 674 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: think that the Packard job is the let's go through 675 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: the rest of it, all right? The Jet job, where 676 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: do you put that? I think that's like in the 677 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 1: top three because of Sam Dorne. But and it's a 678 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: good challenge and you could be the first coach in 679 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: a long time to make the Jets a success. I'd 680 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: go three, just exactly because of that Browns all right 681 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: about the Bucks, I have the Bucks six there in 682 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: the middle. I don't think there is that bad and 683 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: I'd rather have Winston. Then then a couple of these 684 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: other teams situations Winston and the number five I haven't 685 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: I have like five teams between six and seven. So 686 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: that's Jamis Winston versus Marcus Mariotta battle between West. I'd 687 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: rather have a vacancy than Jamis Winston Packers. I think 688 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: that's the number two I'd put it. That's where I 689 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: have them. Maybe one. The one thing i'd say, if you, 690 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: I would take number one because just because of the 691 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: Brown's history. I know, but it's a short termly we 692 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: keep talking about. You know, in two thousands sixteen, they 693 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: fired or they hired seven coaches. Only one of them 694 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: still has a job. So I'm worried about the next 695 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: three years. Aaron Rodgers I think going and win in 696 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 1: some Super Bowls with Aaron Rodgers plenty. Both for me. 697 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: I think it's a challenging job too, because it reminds 698 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: me it's not that it's the Raiders, but it's a 699 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: little Groodenesque, where like when you hit Green Bay with 700 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback eight and Nate is gonna 701 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 1: get you flamed. You better be eleven and five or 702 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 1: twelve and four or people are gonna come calling. He's 703 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: also the quarterback that in this room has been stated 704 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: many times the best. Ever, how many coaches get the opportunity? Well, 705 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: ask Jimmy Johnson about working with Dan Marino. That could 706 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: not have gone worse. Like these things don't always go well. 707 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: But there's also something we said for unlocking a mystery 708 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: like Baker Mayfield, what are the possibilities? Absolutely, it's a 709 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: great debate. Also great was our conversation with Mike Garifolo 710 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 1: of NFL Network outside of the Eagles facility. We did 711 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 1: it on our Twitter show earlier today and now we 712 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: will present it to you in full. Take it away us. 713 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: That's a great segue. Mark Sesser said, is a lot 714 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 1: of hot air coming from NFL network air waves now 715 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: joining us from the Eagles content. Uh in Philadelphia is 716 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: the great Mike Gara follow Mike your thoughts on Mr 717 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: Cessler's comments. Let's start there. Uh, they were checking me 718 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: in and I was catching up with one of my buddies. 719 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,919 Speaker 1: Matt Schneider from my Fox day. So frankly I didn't 720 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: catch any of it. If you don't want to know 721 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: right now, I'd be happy you don't want to know. 722 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: You guys could take it offline. But Mike, thank you 723 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: for joining us here on the A, T and Twitter show. 724 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: You're outside, by the way, and you know at this point, Mike, 725 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: I mean it's almost two thousand nineteen. That little green screen. 726 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 1: We could get away with the technology and you'd be 727 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: feeling good in a corridor somewhere. I'd have no problem 728 00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: doing this show from the comforts of my home, which 729 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: I was doing until late last night when they said 730 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: we need to update on Nick Foles in his ribs 731 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, and I thought, uncle, when I gotta get 732 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,280 Speaker 1: I could do it from home. We've got the phone. 733 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: No we wanted to, which was great though, because I 734 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 1: got an eyewitness account of Nick Foles walking into the 735 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: building here today and when he was asked how he 736 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,760 Speaker 1: was doing, he literally tapped his ribs and he said, 737 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm good. That's what my eyewitness source told me. You're 738 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: a real journey that kind of color from homesting that 739 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: from his basement. Give me a break. No, he's not 740 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: from Don Draper's office. You ever notice how his his 741 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: his home set is like Draper, and it's like later Draper. 742 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: It is. It's late period Draper. When I think of Tom. 743 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: When I think of Draper, I think of Tom Pellicero. 744 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: So there's a high parallel there between those two late 745 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 1: period Draper. Yeah, I said, is that John Ham? One 746 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: day I put a post up on my Instagram story. 747 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: My wife was like, it better not be because she 748 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: has never met Jon Ham. And yeah, I know that's 749 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: that's something kind of lofty to throw out in the universe. 750 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: But the thing is he was at the NFL Honors 751 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,439 Speaker 1: twice and I didn't take her either year the one 752 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 1: because I just never thought like, oh, she wants to 753 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: go see John Ham he's hosting. The second time, I 754 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: didn't know he was presenting, so she wanted to kill 755 00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: me both times. Anyway, we're way off tracks. Bruce Ribbs. Yeah, 756 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: there's no need. There's really no need for you to 757 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,399 Speaker 1: introduce your wife ever to a John Ham type. I mean, 758 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 1: whether it's actually him or it looks like that. Um alright, 759 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: Mike told me I love you. Hold on, no, no, no, 760 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: this is an important point she's told me I love you. 761 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: But if he ever walks into a place where I 762 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: am and says you you're with me, She's gone. I 763 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: get it. I get it makes sense. So falls walks 764 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: into the or does he levitate into the facility, because 765 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: at this point that man is gold. Somebody sent me 766 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: a tweet today was a picture of Nick Foles and 767 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,879 Speaker 1: a picture of Jesus Christ, and he said, I can't 768 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: tell the difference between these two pictures. So if you're 769 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,480 Speaker 1: into that, I guess you know. They are building shrines 770 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: to him here, and Chris Long said, maybe it was 771 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 1: the shrine that allowed him to get up from that 772 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: hit against your debbion clowney uh a couple of weeks ago. Well, well, 773 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 1: maybe it was the shrine that made sure that his 774 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: ribs didn't crack. Now they're bruised, and that is a 775 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,399 Speaker 1: painful thing. You know. I kept saying on air today, 776 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 1: it's just bruise ribs. I've never had bruise ribs. I 777 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: know it does hurt. I mean cracked ribs and fracture ribs. 778 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,200 Speaker 1: That's the stuff that's going to prevent you from play. 779 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: And that's not the case with Nick Foles. He got 780 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: that full battery of tests. Everything looks good. Uh And 781 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: as I explained a little bit earlier, it was a 782 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollar round of tests there. Because that 783 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,879 Speaker 1: too dollar per game starting thing that he got during 784 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: the year, it doubles in the postseason. He gets five 785 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: hundred thousand if he plays of the Snaps on Sunday, 786 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,280 Speaker 1: and then another five thousand if you saw a million 787 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 1: for every playoff game that he wins, up to four 788 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: million if he should win all four of them. He 789 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 1: is Jesus um, Mike, you cut your teeth in the 790 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 1: New York, New Jersey metro area. Uh so, And you 791 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,239 Speaker 1: know I'm a Jets fan. So what do you got 792 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: from me? Mike? Where are we at? Are they going 793 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 1: to get this right? And what names are you hearing 794 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: out there? Help me? Let me? Let me let me 795 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: just undercut my own credibility here and say I was 796 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: the guy that said Steve Wilkes in Arizona was going 797 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: to be a fantastic higher Now I called the foul 798 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,359 Speaker 1: on myself today on Twitter. And I could argue that, 799 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: you know, he didn't get a fair shake there, but 800 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: I screwed that one up. So are they gonna get 801 00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: it right. I don't know if they're gonna get right, 802 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 1: but I will tell you this, Uh, it's gonna be 803 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: an interesting search because I believe and we we've already 804 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,439 Speaker 1: seen Eric b enemy out there. I think you're gonna 805 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: get them looking at a couple other unproven not unproven, 806 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: a couple other guys who maybe don't have the same 807 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,319 Speaker 1: pedigree as some of these retread head coaches. I know 808 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 1: that they would love to get a crack at Mike McCarthy. 809 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: That has been my understanding, and I mentioned that a 810 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. However, I I don't know that 811 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: McCarthy has them at the top of his list. Uh. 812 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 1: And the last I heard, the possibility of McCarthy sitting 813 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,359 Speaker 1: out a year was a strong one for him. Now 814 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: he's kind of keeping things under wraps the best. You're 815 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,319 Speaker 1: not gonna hear a whole lot about that. I do 816 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 1: expect that he will interview, but the teams are gonna 817 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: have to court him, and he's gonna have to court teams, 818 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: and he's gonna have to go a little bit of 819 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 1: both ways here on McCarthy. Yeah, I do. When did 820 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy become the bell of the ball who you know, 821 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,959 Speaker 1: you would think Sam Donald that what better coaching job 822 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: could you get than being able to work with a 823 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,520 Speaker 1: guy like Sam Darnell. I'm I'm surprised. Do you think 824 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: other teams are looking at McCarthy the that way like 825 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 1: the Jets are too. He's gonna have to fully investigate 826 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,399 Speaker 1: this Jet situation because I know a lot of times 827 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 1: some coaches will look at it and they'll say, new York. 828 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: Do I really want New York? You know what, It's 829 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 1: not even really New York. It's so far Western Jersey 830 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 1: you don't even feel the hot breath of been hatting 831 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,399 Speaker 1: on your neck. Trust me. I mean it's it's it's 832 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,520 Speaker 1: the market, I get it. But it's a little bit 833 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 1: different lifestyle living out there. And the other thing is 834 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 1: the bar is so low. You go in and make 835 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,399 Speaker 1: the playoffs, you're gonna be carried off as a hero. 836 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,359 Speaker 1: At this point, this this this franchise, like we keep 837 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: getting these like restarts where you think, okay, okay, now 838 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: it's it's the time. You know, you come in there, 839 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: you have a little bit of success, and and Darnald 840 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: has shown some flashes and uh, you know, he's got 841 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: a lot to work on still, but he's showing some 842 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 1: flashes early and you think it's a guy that you 843 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,359 Speaker 1: would like to work with you all right? And then 844 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,439 Speaker 1: on the Brown side, Uh, we've been talking, we're talking 845 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: at the top of the show that that feels like 846 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 1: it's the best job to have out there. Bruce Arians 847 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: one is far to throw his own name into the 848 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: mix a few weeks back. I haven't really heard much 849 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,840 Speaker 1: on that, and I don't if you've heard anything about Bruce, 850 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,319 Speaker 1: But what are your thoughts on what's going on with 851 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: the Browns right now? Now? And then Bruce Arians expanded 852 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers today by texting I and 853 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: Rappaport saying, you know, yeah, now I consider that one 854 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: as well. You know what, while you're at hey Bruce 855 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 1: about the Cardinals, Yeah, sure, I go back there. Uh. 856 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's it's a moving target sometimes 857 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 1: for these guys. I get it. It's an attractive job, 858 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,399 Speaker 1: and I buy into and I I tweeted this out earlier. Uh, 859 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning is a Adam Gay supporter, and Peyton Manning 860 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,520 Speaker 1: is close with Jimmy and d Haslem, so I fully 861 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: expect the possibility of Gaze landing in Cleveland. Uh to 862 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: be a strong possibility here. Now you know we mentioned McCarthy. Uh, 863 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 1: Steve White said a couple of weeks SOO, he doesn't 864 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,320 Speaker 1: think he's gonna wind up being the head coach. But 865 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,960 Speaker 1: I still wouldn't be shocked if they talked to McCarthy 866 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 1: and brought him on a formal interview. But Gays is 867 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 1: the guy that I'm looking at here because you know, 868 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 1: he and Ryan Tannehill did never really quite clicked. But 869 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 1: through the whole period I covered this team closely a 870 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,440 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, I had their playoff game against 871 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,799 Speaker 1: the Steelers as well. Nobody stands by their quarterback more 872 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 1: than Adam Gaze. It's just no matter what the guy 873 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: is doing, Gays is always supporting him, never negative, regardless 874 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: of who it is, and always feeling like he can 875 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,480 Speaker 1: get that guy moving in the right direction. So I 876 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: think his confidence paired with Baker Mayfield's dangerous cockiness, I guk, 877 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 1: it's a good combination. I mean, Mike kind of one 878 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: question though, because it was interesting here, John Dorsey say 879 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,280 Speaker 1: during his press conference that he hoped ownership would listen 880 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: to essentially their search committees recommendation, and it certainly sounds 881 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 1: like a Peyton manning into Haslem channel for Adam Gaze. 882 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: I don't get the sense necessarily that John Dorsey feels 883 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,799 Speaker 1: that way. And there's also a star wide receiver on 884 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,600 Speaker 1: the Browns who doesn't get along and has a bad 885 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: history with Adam Gaze and Adam Gays in general. I 886 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 1: think there's a lot to like, but there's a era, 887 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: an aora of sort of cantankerous nous with Adam Gayson. 888 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: Why after the Dolphins experience, do the Browns say this 889 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 1: is the best we can do Marcus never us just 890 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 1: about I don't, I know, I don't. I don't think 891 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 1: they sit there and say, boy, he's gotta be Adam Gays. 892 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 1: If not, we're in some serious trouble right here. I 893 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 1: I just believe in his candidacy for this job. And 894 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 1: you know, listen, once you sit down with guys, you 895 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: know they have an idea who their favorites are and 896 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,120 Speaker 1: who they certainly have a list in the order of things. 897 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,399 Speaker 1: But I tend to allow these processes to play out. 898 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,439 Speaker 1: I mean, these interviews really are important, and I've heard 899 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,399 Speaker 1: a lot of situations where you know, Hey, this guy 900 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 1: moved himself up on our list during our interview. Really 901 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,359 Speaker 1: hit it off, especially with the owner. I mean, the 902 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,360 Speaker 1: owners are the kinds of guys that they go into it. 903 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,200 Speaker 1: They don't understand the xs and ohs per se the 904 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,879 Speaker 1: way that maybe the general manager does. So, so they're 905 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: relying a lot upon the interview. And if he can 906 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 1: go in there and he can wow, Jimmy has them great. Uh. 907 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,360 Speaker 1: And and if those guys in there, as far as 908 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,600 Speaker 1: John Dorsey, Elliot Wolf, Alonso Highsmith, all those guys who 909 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,880 Speaker 1: certainly know their football there, if they can come to 910 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 1: an agreement there, I could see gays coming in. That's 911 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 1: all I'm saying. I he's he's a guy who's going 912 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: to get a lot of support from Peyton Manning and 913 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 1: other folks around the league as well. Though it guess 914 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,280 Speaker 1: it depends on who you talk to, because John Elways 915 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: not bringing him in, and John Elway was the guy 916 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,919 Speaker 1: that said he didn't think he was ready a couple 917 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,719 Speaker 1: of years ago when he moved on when he was 918 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,799 Speaker 1: the Broncos offensive coordinator. We've got eight openings. We're hearing 919 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,160 Speaker 1: all these names bandied about. Some are being reported. I'm 920 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: sure there are names that aren't even being reported about 921 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: that you probably here. Is there a name that may 922 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,319 Speaker 1: not be reportable but has shocked you or surprised you 923 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: that this person is getting interest. Yeah, he's not reportable 924 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:39,239 Speaker 1: to anybody from I gotta good one. Oh, come on, 925 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: he's from college. I'm I'm I'm possibility. Yeah. But I 926 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,520 Speaker 1: want to talk about another guy that surprised me today. 927 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,560 Speaker 1: How about that Josh McDaniels, because he is getting some interests. 928 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,960 Speaker 1: You know, Bob Bob Lamont, who is a coaching agent 929 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 1: to the stars. I guess you could say. Uh talked 930 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: last year after he terminated his relationship with Josh McDaniels 931 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,359 Speaker 1: when he left the Cults to the author and he said, 932 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,840 Speaker 1: you're committing professional suicide here. Uh. And he said, I 933 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: never go back on my word. My word is my bond, 934 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 1: all that stuff that Lamont said publicly. Uh. And he 935 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 1: felt like McDaniels was never gonna get a shot again. 936 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: It was gonna have to be him succeeding Bill Belichick. Well, 937 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,239 Speaker 1: McDaniels getting some looks. And I guess I'm a little 938 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,439 Speaker 1: surprised because you know, if you're another team and look, 939 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 1: we're in a league now where a player could do 940 00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,480 Speaker 1: something on the field, in the locker room, even off 941 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,280 Speaker 1: the field, and a team will cut him, and another 942 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: team will say, I had no problem. He didn't do 943 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,000 Speaker 1: that in our presence, so let's bring him in here. 944 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 1: Let's give him a shot here. So it's a similar 945 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 1: type of thing with Josh McDaniels, where you know, the 946 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:44,920 Speaker 1: Colts would never even think about the possibility of bringing Josh, 947 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 1: but because the Packers didn't have that done to them, 948 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,640 Speaker 1: they'll say, well, let's bring him in. If he wants 949 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,239 Speaker 1: to coach here, great, we don't care what he did 950 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,959 Speaker 1: to the cult. So well, I guess I'm a little 951 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,400 Speaker 1: bit surprised by that, the fact that he is getting 952 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 1: some interest this year. Two things, uh, Mike. First of all, 953 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,080 Speaker 1: if you want to get back to Hoboke and there's 954 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 1: a car there with the engine running, turn around, get 955 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,640 Speaker 1: in the thing and HI tell it, get on the 956 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,879 Speaker 1: turnpike and fly. Well, I think it's I think it's 957 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,359 Speaker 1: a player's car. There's a player, and it's so dark 958 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,799 Speaker 1: here that I can't see it. Might be it's it's 959 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,359 Speaker 1: a bearded fellow. It is, but I think you could 960 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:22,399 Speaker 1: take much Hey, Jackson. He's still in a painting. Why 961 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,120 Speaker 1: is that man steal in a painting? That's not that 962 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,880 Speaker 1: quick tweet? Quick tweet before we say goodbye to my 963 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 1: there goes half the full run? Uh right here it 964 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 1: is my careful is my hero. I'm watching the show 965 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 1: and my Nick Foles Jersey and my god, I've never 966 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,880 Speaker 1: heard happier news. I don't know that hashtag means b 967 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,919 Speaker 1: d N, but I can tell you, Mike that people 968 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,359 Speaker 1: are excited and philly about that quarterback. You know, I 969 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,239 Speaker 1: know exactly what that hashtag. Let me just say you 970 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,560 Speaker 1: your friend Colleen Wolf, she's not as innocent as you think. Okay. 971 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 1: And during the show on Saturday and Sunday, boy was 972 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,719 Speaker 1: she trying to get me on that one hashtag b 973 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 1: d and she was dancing around that you ask her 974 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,680 Speaker 1: about that? Yeah, that's funny because on this show she 975 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,200 Speaker 1: said that we should ban the term big D when 976 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,800 Speaker 1: discussing the Cowboys. But that's for another show and another time. Mike, 977 00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:17,120 Speaker 1: what to face follow Thank you, buddy get Dry and 978 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: we appreciate you joining us here on the Twitter show. 979 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,680 Speaker 1: You gotta guys, thank you. Happy to year? All right, 980 00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:26,759 Speaker 1: that was great Before we go um hashtag that's been 981 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,880 Speaker 1: on Twitter hashtag when Marvin Lewis was hired January fourteenth, 982 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: two thousand and three. If you'd believe that, So when 983 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,000 Speaker 1: Marvis Marvin Lewis, by the way, I started that, you 984 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 1: started it. Letty you Chris West, since I have no 985 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,080 Speaker 1: idea if it's taken, well, let's make it a thing. Um. 986 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 1: You started since you started started at Dalton Scale, you 987 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 1: started this. Don't you tell when Marvin Lewis was hired? 988 00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,360 Speaker 1: Where were you was? I was living in Cincinnati. I 989 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: was in my seventh year as the records manager, Keatie 990 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,600 Speaker 1: new Thing and Cleek Camp Law firm, playing softball four 991 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,600 Speaker 1: nights a week, playing hoops in the backyard with spice 992 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:13,040 Speaker 1: rack spicy, dreaming of Tybee Island, drinking entirely too much beer, 993 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:17,120 Speaker 1: getting in trouble. Um probably had just broken off an 994 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,440 Speaker 1: engagement with a girl who engaged herself to me. That's 995 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,600 Speaker 1: what I was doing in two thousand three. How about 996 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:27,840 Speaker 1: you mark what was the day January or something like that? 997 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,880 Speaker 1: January January, that is, nine days after the Browns lost 998 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:37,480 Speaker 1: a horrific playoff game to the Steelers. Tommy Maddox in 999 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: the Steeler absolutely Kelly Holcomb and the Browns big lead 1000 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 1: Bruce Arians is the offensive coordinator. The backsdrop to this. 1001 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,320 Speaker 1: I was living in Denver. I watched that game alone 1002 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,799 Speaker 1: because I was so nervous about it, despite having a 1003 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 1: bunch of Browns fans who were friends, and was living 1004 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,200 Speaker 1: with um, a young female who uh quite an up 1005 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,960 Speaker 1: and down relationship to put it that, to put it 1006 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,960 Speaker 1: no other way, And we left town about a week 1007 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,160 Speaker 1: or two later in a yellow VW camper van attempting 1008 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,080 Speaker 1: to go to Los Angeles. The van, after stopping at 1009 00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:14,280 Speaker 1: multiple National parks, broke down in uh Arizona in Phoenix, 1010 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,160 Speaker 1: where suddenly she told me after about being there for 1011 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,719 Speaker 1: about a week or two, where we were living in 1012 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,239 Speaker 1: a van in a in a parking lot, essentially you 1013 00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 1: were homeless. We were very close because I also this 1014 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,319 Speaker 1: was this's a nice person, but this is one of 1015 00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,360 Speaker 1: those special girlfriends in your twenties that costs about twelve 1016 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,279 Speaker 1: thousand dollars and put me into massive debt. And so 1017 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,560 Speaker 1: I was on the outs big time, and she she 1018 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,000 Speaker 1: started well, and you know it was not exactly how 1019 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,239 Speaker 1: that went, but she was telling me suddenly, you know, 1020 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,520 Speaker 1: I'm a desert person. I just think we should stay here, 1021 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,279 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I amn't, I am not a desert person. Um. 1022 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,080 Speaker 1: And you know, there was a year or two of tumult. 1023 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,399 Speaker 1: That's that that materialized from that, And then I moved 1024 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: to Los Angeles in the van. You just had two years? 1025 00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,520 Speaker 1: Did you stay? No? No? I I I got an 1026 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:05,360 Speaker 1: apartment along the highway above what was UM, one of 1027 00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:10,040 Speaker 1: the larger meth labs in Phoenix. It is the dark 1028 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,040 Speaker 1: of all those stories that I've heard, Mark, and I've 1029 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 1: heard them all from you. That is the darkest story, 1030 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,400 Speaker 1: your Arizona story. Nothing tops the Arizona story. It was 1031 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,440 Speaker 1: a rough period, but I emerged suddenly in Los Angeles 1032 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,120 Speaker 1: two years later. UM January two thousand three. I had 1033 00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,080 Speaker 1: just been hired by the Journal News and I and 1034 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,720 Speaker 1: I met it on my first day. Another new hire 1035 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,880 Speaker 1: who drove to work in a green Mustang was Ian Rappaport. 1036 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,960 Speaker 1: Uh So we're two twenty three year old journals. I 1037 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,680 Speaker 1: was in a long distance relationship with my college girlfriend, 1038 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,640 Speaker 1: driving back and forth between New York and Boston, a 1039 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,880 Speaker 1: highly doomed relationship. Sometimes you just got a note to 1040 00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,560 Speaker 1: break up. When senior year is over, but instead I 1041 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,120 Speaker 1: went the route that led to like multiple years of heartache. 1042 00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,839 Speaker 1: Uh So this was a growing period in the life 1043 00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,800 Speaker 1: of the old Zeuser then the young Zeuser. This was 1044 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,799 Speaker 1: build up to see if Greg existed in two thousand times. 1045 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,080 Speaker 1: Know this, It sounds like it was a dark time 1046 00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 1: for all of us. That was one of the least 1047 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,359 Speaker 1: happy times of my life. I don't know exactly what 1048 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,960 Speaker 1: I was doing. I was working at Fox Sports on 1049 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,120 Speaker 1: the weekends, which was great. I had was working out 1050 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,279 Speaker 1: here out here in Los Angeles. I was living in 1051 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,160 Speaker 1: West Hollywood. I was working on either Mouse Outrageous game 1052 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,600 Speaker 1: show Moments five or six, or Significant Others, and underrated 1053 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,040 Speaker 1: pilot that eventually did go to series at Bravo. But 1054 00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,160 Speaker 1: the personal life, something just didn't feel right. This was 1055 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,960 Speaker 1: not the path that I should be on at that time, 1056 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,719 Speaker 1: and I bailed. You were twenty four, right. I would 1057 00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,160 Speaker 1: not call it a dark time, but I think all 1058 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,040 Speaker 1: of us probably had that angst that we should have 1059 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,120 Speaker 1: been doing something else with our lives at that age. 1060 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,799 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely. I probably shouldn't have been 1061 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,680 Speaker 1: covering the swimming and diving championships in Upstate New York 1062 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,040 Speaker 1: at that time in my life, and it's something that 1063 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,520 Speaker 1: haunts at you. I was like an HR coordinator and 1064 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,040 Speaker 1: Wells Fargo that I could walk to from my apartment 1065 00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,360 Speaker 1: along the highway and had no car. I mean, it 1066 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,239 Speaker 1: was not actually like a high point. All right, there 1067 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:06,560 Speaker 1: you go, Black month, excuse me, new horizons Monday in 1068 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,719 Speaker 1: the books here from Culver City. Where was Erica two? Yeah, 1069 00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,760 Speaker 1: eleven years old? Yeah I was. I was Backgirl number 1070 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,600 Speaker 1: three in my fifth grade play. Also, also you would 1071 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,239 Speaker 1: say it an emotional dark time for you, potentially I 1072 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,520 Speaker 1: really kind of felt like I should be doing something different, 1073 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,880 Speaker 1: should have been back Girl number two. Yeah, what's up 1074 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,800 Speaker 1: with you being the third in line? There? It's not third, 1075 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,120 Speaker 1: it was first. I don't know number three, number three 1076 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,600 Speaker 1: with a certain it was a dark period. She she's 1077 00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,560 Speaker 1: buried it. Step, it's step. You were in the chorus 1078 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,400 Speaker 1: as they say, Yeah, I didn't have any lines. Um 1079 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,600 Speaker 1: all right, UM, thank you everybody. UM, we'll be back 1080 00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:52,280 Speaker 1: on Wednesday with another show. So UM check that out. 1081 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,600 Speaker 1: And if you didn't check out our week seventeen, recapt 1082 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,719 Speaker 1: checked that out. Um. And that's it because Dan Hands 1083 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,560 Speaker 1: is signing off for Quiet Storm. The Mailman the old 1084 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:11,319 Speaker 1: Boss and Ricky Hollywood behind the glass, Happy, bring it. 1085 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,360 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins wearing a skirt