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Speaker 1: back back baby, back in the New York mood. Not really.
Speaker 2: We got photos back from the live show we did
Speaker 2: last year, and I was just looking at at it
Speaker 2: and it's the three of us. I was like, damn,
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Speaker 3: We look like.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, man, you know what I'm saying. I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: I was just over here jamming some Barrington Levy calling
Speaker 4: ice murderers.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's that.
Speaker 2: The pastor of this episode is not a man.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, we're doing We got a lady bastard this,
Speaker 1: We've got. Things are dark in the old United States
Speaker 1: these days, so I figured we'd take a trip up
Speaker 1: north to our our normal and mentally healthy neighbors where
Speaker 1: nothing crazy ever happens. Obviously in Canada. And let's talk
Speaker 1: about one of Canada's most notable bastards of the moment,
Speaker 1: Queen Romana Didulo, the Queen of Canada, which does not
Speaker 1: have a queen. Uh I did for a while.
Speaker 3: Ka who.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So she she is talking about. She's essentially a
Speaker 1: Queanon influencer who's starting in like twenty twenty one, declared
Speaker 1: herself the Queen of Canada and she's been declaring things
Speaker 1: ever since, living in like an RV caravan with all
Speaker 1: of her followers. It's good stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, on behalf of everyone who's just nervous.
Speaker 4: System is beat to crap. Man, Thank you, thank you
Speaker 4: for giving me some fun.
Speaker 1: This absurd mystical creature, no gicide, no real body count.
Speaker 3: She's oh man, I need to do so much.
Speaker 2: She's you know, and Robert scripts it says she might
Speaker 2: be an alien.
Speaker 1: Like I love it. She might be an alien, she
Speaker 1: might be psychic. But she's definitely a cult leader, right,
Speaker 1: thanks me. She's not a good one, which we don't
Speaker 1: talk about enough. Oh god, dog listen man.
Speaker 4: I was here for the the Thomas Jefferson's I was
Speaker 4: here for the Lost calls for the crack attack.
Speaker 3: I was here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, fun's good. Yes, yeah, we have a
Speaker 1: good Yeah. I feel like this is also, you know,
Speaker 1: because Himler. If you're comparing if you're out there trying
Speaker 1: to make your mark as a monster and you're comparing
Speaker 1: yourself to someone like Himmler, you know, you're just kind
Speaker 1: of wind up feeling inadequate. And I don't want any
Speaker 1: of the cult leaders that listen to this podcast to
Speaker 1: feel inadequate. You know, there's been a series of threads
Speaker 1: going around on Reddit where people are pointing out that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, how few people actually make over one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars to be like, hey, if you're making less
Speaker 1: than that. You don't have to feel bad. And I
Speaker 1: want to do the same thing to the cult leaders
Speaker 1: out there. If you're a working class cult leader, you know,
Speaker 1: really busting your to keep a dozen or so people,
Speaker 1: you know, locked mentally in the chains of slavery to
Speaker 1: your insane will, this is for you. You know, we cannout.
Speaker 1: You can't all be all Ron Hubbard, can all have
Speaker 1: a skyscraper in downtown Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: You know again, I appreciate you saying this. This is
Speaker 4: like the the DEI affinity group of That's right, bastards.
Speaker 1: And trust I appreciate this.
Speaker 4: And you know what, it's just like, listen, man, all
Speaker 4: of us don't start off you feel me, Like we
Speaker 4: all don't start off with the privilege of being a
Speaker 4: six foot white dude. You know what I'm saying with
Speaker 4: the money endowment where you can just buy land, you
Speaker 4: feel me. Jim Jones, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: some of us got to get it out the mud.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to like get people okay with the
Speaker 1: fact that, like, if all you can do is really
Speaker 1: completely destroy the mental freedom and sovereignty of like ten people,
Speaker 1: you know that's enough. You're valid as a could leader.
Speaker 1: And that's what we're telling Romana. You know, I get
Speaker 1: it all.
Speaker 3: So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: If we talk about Canada, I mean they got stuff
Speaker 4: like healthcare and like you know what I'm saying, so
Speaker 4: they're kind of like they kind of really don't got
Speaker 4: nothing to complain about, you know, So to get somebody
Speaker 4: to fall into a cult in Canada, like I mean,
Speaker 4: good for you.
Speaker 2: You feel like they have something to complain about.
Speaker 1: They've got played about largely the cult leader. The Coles
Speaker 1: destroyed their lives.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I was gonna say, uh uh Drake, but.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say Tim Bets, but he's already.
Speaker 3: Yeah, car Kenny already took care of that.
Speaker 4: I'd also like to say that, like not that I
Speaker 4: would ever, ever ever give a high five to any
Speaker 4: sort of Western world leader, but Matt Carney just got
Speaker 4: his bars off, like I'm gonna I'm gonna give our
Speaker 4: Mark Corney.
Speaker 1: He was a good little Davos speech.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he got his bars OFFNA appreciate that. He was like,
Speaker 4: can we just stop capping, y'all? Can we just stop pretending?
Speaker 1: And again that's part of why I support the Queen
Speaker 1: of Canada, right, is that for too long Canada has
Speaker 1: sat in the shadows as American cult leaders have gotten
Speaker 1: all of the attention, you know, just because we're better
Speaker 1: at cults than Canadians, you know, a lot better, like
Speaker 1: way better. But that doesn't mean there aren't Canadian cult leaders.
Speaker 1: And today we're going to talk about one right now.
Speaker 1: As I noted, Americans are better at cults. And so
Speaker 1: before we get to her Royal Highness, I want to
Speaker 1: talk about a different cultic movement that people generally say
Speaker 1: helped prepare the ground for Romana's cult. And this is
Speaker 1: an American cultic movement, The I AM Activity. And it's
Speaker 1: always spelled I AM in all caps and quotations in
Speaker 1: an activity with a capital A. That's the name of
Speaker 1: the movement. And it's like a Christian faith movement from
Speaker 1: the United States. Kind of that turned it like a
Speaker 1: self help cult got cropped up.
Speaker 4: You got to say the whole thing like a pim
Speaker 4: named slick back, the I am the I.
Speaker 1: Am exactly the im activity. Yes, you have to say,
Speaker 1: can't abbreviate it. People will know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: So cropped up during the peak of the Great Depression
Speaker 1: at the start of the thirties, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: a good time to be starting a cult. A lot
Speaker 1: of our New Age movements have some to some extent
Speaker 1: their origins and the Great Depression, and the I AM
Speaker 1: movement has its roots in the city of Mount Shasta,
Speaker 1: which is the least surprising thing on earth. You've ever
Speaker 1: been to Mount Shasta?
Speaker 3: The Californians in the chat Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know they're already in cults.
Speaker 4: You already know liked you, you feel, you feel the
Speaker 4: cult vibration as soon as you leave the Bay Area.
Speaker 1: Like you live in Mount Shasta, you've already been told
Speaker 1: to cut ties with your friends and family and hand
Speaker 1: all of your money to a carra.
Speaker 3: Over They guy Rica, brother.
Speaker 1: It's a lovely town. But Mount Shasta is a big
Speaker 1: volcano situated in northern California, not that far from the
Speaker 1: border of Oregon. It's very pretty, it looks kind of
Speaker 1: like a lady h and the town there has a
Speaker 1: reputation for being a hub of the New Age movement
Speaker 1: and various cultic groups like today, if you go there today,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of wou shit in Mount Shasta. And
Speaker 1: this has been the case for a long time. Shasta
Speaker 1: kind of helped lot of birth to the New Age movement.
Speaker 2: A mountain looks like a lady, yeah.
Speaker 1: It was a new one kind of Yeah, yeah, the
Speaker 1: mountain yet it kind of has like the silhouette of
Speaker 1: a lady, so the native said, And it does. If
Speaker 1: you look at it during the sunset, it looks like
Speaker 1: it you can see your face.
Speaker 3: Oh, I gotta know, she's a pretty mountain.
Speaker 1: Sie.
Speaker 3: Shasta would just like white women with dreadlocks.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there's there's them there too, but they didn't
Speaker 1: start being there. So it has a reputation for being
Speaker 1: a hub of the Age movement. There's also persistent rumors
Speaker 1: that aliens live inside the mountain, right, yes, yes, And
Speaker 1: I can confirm that there are mushroom aliens living inside
Speaker 1: Mount Shasta via four independent interviews that I conducted with
Speaker 1: guys I got stoned with at growhouses in the area.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's that's as solid evidence as you're
Speaker 1: going to get that there are in fact aliens living
Speaker 1: in Mount Shasta.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, that's a triple source confirmation.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. Any newspaper would print that. Yeah. Anyhow, the
Speaker 1: root of the proud tradition of kookiness in Mount Shasta
Speaker 1: starts with a local man named Guy Ballard, who, while
Speaker 1: hiking on Mount Shasta, received a vision from Saint Germain. Now,
Speaker 1: when I heard that, I was like, Oh, this guy's
Speaker 1: probably Catholic. Some Saint visited him, right, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: You know, Catholics are always talking about the Saints visiting them.
Speaker 1: That's not what Saint Germain is. If you look up
Speaker 1: Saint Germain online, you come across two different things. One
Speaker 1: is a kind of elderflower liqueur that you've probably seen
Speaker 1: in bars. It's got a pretty distinctive looking bottle, okay,
Speaker 1: and it I think it's named after a long dead
Speaker 1: confidence man who was not at all a saint, who
Speaker 1: described himself as a count, and who made a bunch
Speaker 1: of famous friends, including Voltaire, and told them stories about
Speaker 1: being five hundred years old and all knowing.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this was a guy a few hundred years
Speaker 1: ago who just kind of he got famous for going
Speaker 1: to parties and lying about himself, right, which was easy
Speaker 1: to do back then. Yeah, you know you was gonna check.
Speaker 3: We're gonna check if you won't five hundred.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, exactly, as long as you're as long as
Speaker 1: you're in a different city than you're from. No one's
Speaker 1: figuring this shit out.
Speaker 4: There's there's a little bit of like I kind of
Speaker 4: like like gaze back longingly over those days because I
Speaker 4: just feel like, like if you think about like the
Speaker 4: whole plot of like the born Identity, it's just with
Speaker 4: facial recognition, you just don't have a movie like this
Speaker 4: guy got all kind of like passports to say where
Speaker 4: he's from. It like excuse me, sir, can you step
Speaker 4: over here please? Like there's just you can't have a
Speaker 4: fake ID, you know what I'm saying. So the idea
Speaker 4: of saying, because the Internet exists, that I could be like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: we're actually royalty. I'm from Ethiopia, Royalty. Like there's no
Speaker 4: way for you to check. Like now it's like, sir,
Speaker 4: you were born in Inglewood.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And Guy Ballard is yeah one of these
Speaker 1: he sees this Saint Jermaine fella, and I don't know
Speaker 1: exactly they had to categorize Saint Jermaine. I think we
Speaker 1: have to file him under the category of like con
Speaker 1: artists whose cons have been lost to obscurity because he's
Speaker 1: he's hanging out only around rich people, and he's lying
Speaker 1: to them incessantly. But I don't know, like entirely what
Speaker 1: the grift was, right, Like, what was he what was
Speaker 1: he getting out of this? Was it just that he
Speaker 1: got invited to parties and he got to stay at
Speaker 1: rich people's fancy mansions. It may have been that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he was He was a charming guy by all accounts,
Speaker 1: and multi talented. He was good at music and stuff,
Speaker 1: so he was fun. You didn't have TV back then,
Speaker 1: so a lot of prominent people. If you're just interesting,
Speaker 1: you could get invited to rich people parties and make
Speaker 1: an okay life for yourself because there was nothing going
Speaker 1: on and all of the other rich people are pretty boring.
Speaker 1: He published a bunch of sheet music in his time,
Speaker 1: and he wrote two books of magic. One was shaped
Speaker 1: like a triangle and detailed a ritual that would provide
Speaker 1: the practitioner with unnatural wealth and long life, just as
Speaker 1: the Count was said to possess. And his books became
Speaker 1: influential among the occult and as a result, when the
Speaker 1: Theosophists came around in the late eighteen hundreds, Helena Blovotski
Speaker 1: declared Saint Germain to have been the most powerful wizard
Speaker 1: of his kind in several centuries, and that his astral
Speaker 1: form had visited her and bestowed secret wisdom on her. Right,
Speaker 1: this is amazing. There was kind of when we get
Speaker 1: in the end of the eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds,
Speaker 1: that big occult wave that kind of does in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways leading to like the Nazis and stuff.
Speaker 1: Saint Germain is just from a previous era are a
Speaker 1: couple hundred years earlier. He's one of them those famous
Speaker 1: guys who was like into magic and everyone just wrote
Speaker 1: about him. So she says, oh, he visited me and
Speaker 1: he taught me his secret powers, you know.
Speaker 3: And so he visited.
Speaker 1: Right exactly forty years like forty years after he visits Olovotsky.
Speaker 1: And so, okay, I bring all this up because Guy
Speaker 1: Ballard didn't just invent Oh, Saint Germain, that's an interesting
Speaker 1: figure from the past who said taught me something. He's
Speaker 1: ripping off Blovatsky, right, got it, Like she was the
Speaker 1: first one doing this. And so Guy is like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm looking to make a name for myself. I want
Speaker 1: people to see me as a as a cultic leader.
Speaker 1: I guess I got to have Saint Germain back me
Speaker 1: up too, right, okay, And so Guy Ballard takes this this,
Speaker 1: you know, and he says, basically, Saint Germain told me
Speaker 1: his secrets to long life and you know, mental powers,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to teach him to you. That's the
Speaker 1: that's the basis of the I Am Activity, right, which
Speaker 1: is this mystic educational movement based on Saint Germain's supposed
Speaker 1: teachings right up on the website the I Am Activity
Speaker 1: always all captain in quoation marks I Am. Don't you
Speaker 1: ever say it differently?
Speaker 3: Listen like a tribe call quest.
Speaker 1: Got to say it exactly exactly yes, so write up
Speaker 1: on the website New Religious Movements dot org. The core
Speaker 1: teachings of the IAM Activity center around the presence of
Speaker 1: the I Am or God presence within each individual, a
Speaker 1: divine spark that connects everyone to the Creator. Through specific
Speaker 1: practices such as decree, spoken invocations, and affirmations, followers aim
Speaker 1: to realize their divine nature, achieves self purification, and ultimately
Speaker 1: ascend the higher spiritual realms, emulating the ascended masters. The
Speaker 1: Ballad's teachings also incorporated elements of American patriotism and nationalism.
Speaker 1: Clearly the United States had a unique role in the
Speaker 1: world's spiritual destiny.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 4: This is so there's so many like like uh, seasonings
Speaker 4: of like Pentecostal Christian in that like you're declaring the
Speaker 4: I am that I am, and you get to speak
Speaker 4: speak the power of existence.
Speaker 3: Bro, Like let me tell you something, right, Like.
Speaker 4: I could already see where that hot does got how
Speaker 4: did Christian?
Speaker 1: And that's it's worth it. As you pointed out, the
Speaker 1: I am and I am activity is a reference to
Speaker 1: the Bibles and to God. I am that God said
Speaker 1: to Moses. Yeah, what God said to Moses? Right, And
Speaker 1: and that's what you know, it's possible. We don't know.
Speaker 1: Romana is going to say a lot of stuff that
Speaker 1: references aspects of the I AM activity. I don't know
Speaker 1: if she's aware of the original cult or if it's
Speaker 1: just because the I am activity kind of becomes part
Speaker 1: of foundational American cultic lore, and as is always the
Speaker 1: case with the stuff, pieces of it wind up picked
Speaker 1: up by generations of later cultames and thrown in not
Speaker 1: just cults, but thrown into different aspects of like New
Speaker 1: Age thinking. So think pieces of Ballard's work kind of
Speaker 1: wind up in self help books and stuff for decades
Speaker 1: to come, which may just be the extent of like
Speaker 1: where how she picks up on little elements of this
Speaker 1: right now the I AM activities. You may have guessed
Speaker 1: with the fact that most of you probably hadn't heard
Speaker 1: of this this night before. It was not a huge hit.
Speaker 1: It's just it's best it was not. It was like middling.
Speaker 1: I'll say that it's great. Claim to fame was a
Speaker 1: Supreme Court case US v. Ballard over whether or not
Speaker 1: it was fraud for leaders of a supposedly religious movement
Speaker 1: to collect donations based on religious claims they did not
Speaker 1: themselves believe, and the case was launched after Ballard's death.
Speaker 1: People sued and argued that like his wife and son
Speaker 1: who'd helped with the cult, didn't really believe in anything,
Speaker 1: and thus we're committing fraud when they took it more
Speaker 1: than three million dollars worth of donations. The Supreme Court
Speaker 1: ultimately decided the question itself is inappropriate for a court
Speaker 1: to ask, right, we can't even rule on this because
Speaker 1: us the idea that a court would have anything to
Speaker 1: say about whether or not someone legitimately believes in a
Speaker 1: religion they espouse is inappropriate basically like we shouldn't even
Speaker 1: we shouldn't even be here, you know yah, which is
Speaker 1: I'm so mixed about it because both, if they had
Speaker 1: ruled yeah, that's fraud, maybe a lot would be better,
Speaker 1: But also it really isn't a court's place to say,
Speaker 1: I think that guy doesn't believe what he says he believes.
Speaker 1: That's not really weird, like a religion, you know, crime, Like.
Speaker 4: That's interesting, and and like how could a court call
Speaker 4: that like to be like it's, yeah, that was super interesting.
Speaker 4: It's like I don't know about your faith, buddy. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. You said you believe you believe it, Like.
Speaker 1: Because it's it's one of those things. I can imagine
Speaker 1: a million problems we could have avoided if they ruled differently,
Speaker 1: but also a million new problems that we would have
Speaker 1: told we were Like, now the court gets to decide
Speaker 1: if you really believe in whatever you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's one of the problem Which one
Speaker 4: of these cans of worms do we want to open?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, like, yeah, because because you
Speaker 4: like you know, even fast forward to you know again,
Speaker 4: American Pentecostalism, Like, how many of you would have been like, hey, bro,
Speaker 4: you you really don't believe you could heal that person,
Speaker 4: do you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You mak it.
Speaker 1: But what you pulled out of them, that's chicken gizzard.
Speaker 1: You don't think that's really.
Speaker 4: That That is not real, sir, Yes, And he's like,
Speaker 4: it would be your project.
Speaker 1: I feel like there is a line where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're like pulling chicken gizzard out of people pretending
Speaker 1: it's cancer, you're probably committing fraud. That's right. Cross it
Speaker 1: a line. But if you're just asking do you really
Speaker 1: believe that people can chant themselves in immortality doing this
Speaker 1: or whatever? Like, yeah, I guess I can kind of
Speaker 1: respect the Supreme Court being like, this isn't even our place,
Speaker 1: Like this isn't even an appropriate thing for there to
Speaker 1: be a court case of att It's really mixed. But
Speaker 1: I can see the logic, you know. So the movement
Speaker 1: limped along, the IAM movement. They won this case, and
Speaker 1: they limp along until Ballard's wife dies in the early
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, at which point leadership passed to a board
Speaker 1: of directors. The group is still kind of existent today,
Speaker 1: the I am, but like they've got like a newsletter.
Speaker 1: They publishers of shit. But it's not like a thing anymore,
Speaker 1: not really. As I said, it's relevant to us because
Speaker 1: pieces of it have been passed down in New age
Speaker 1: and cultic and a cult explore ever since in the
Speaker 1: United States and to a lesser extent in Canada. And
Speaker 1: the IAM movement is relevant primarily to us today because
Speaker 1: Ramona Didulo would later ape a lot of its core language,
Speaker 1: knowingly or unknowingly. And so let's turn to her. Now, Okay,
Speaker 1: the purported Queen of Canada was born in the Philippines,
Speaker 1: and given her age, would have had to be born
Speaker 1: probably sometime in the nineteen seventies. We get very little
Speaker 1: detail from her early life that can be confirmed to
Speaker 1: any degree, and she doesn't seem to have made a
Speaker 1: ton of claims about her childhood and life before coming
Speaker 1: to Canada. Most of the stories we do have concern
Speaker 1: her grandmother, who is a sort of error figure within
Speaker 1: the cult that she's created, and Ramana says that her grandmother,
Speaker 1: a first grade teacher, raised her to speak five languages fluidly.
Speaker 1: Researcher Christine Sarteeshi of Chatham University is almost certainly Didulo's
Speaker 1: number one biographical expert, and she writes of the Queen's
Speaker 1: further claims that same grandmother mounted a strategic defense and
Speaker 1: offense and successful blocked the Chinese from invading their regional
Speaker 1: stronghold during World War Two. This claim couldnot possibly be
Speaker 1: true since during World War Two, Japan, not China occupied the.
Speaker 3: Philippines because they wouldn't there.
Speaker 1: She's gonna say a lot about fighting the Chinese. This
Speaker 1: is a family business to her. But again, they they have,
Speaker 1: they got other shit going on in World War Two.
Speaker 1: They're not in the Philippines.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a bit like almost equal parts satin and
Speaker 4: excited that this is a keeni, that this is like
Speaker 4: a Filipino woe.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah, I was like, oh, she's from a Philippines.
Speaker 4: Okay, So that adds a layer of like awesome and
Speaker 4: again not for lawers here, yeah, new for newcomers. As
Speaker 4: y'all can see my face. My stepmother's Filipino. So like,
Speaker 4: I'm part of the culture. So there are things that
Speaker 4: I could participate in that I can only participate in
Speaker 4: because one of my moms were Filipino.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she is did you Loo. She doesn't inphas
Speaker 1: size that part of her heritage very much. She'll talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about her grandmother, but she's not she's
Speaker 1: not massively like she's more Canadian, I think than anything else.
Speaker 1: Because she leaves she's very young, right, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like she has a ton of contact with her
Speaker 1: her family over there, although that's kind of unclear to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, does she go to Toronto?
Speaker 1: No? No, Vancouver?
Speaker 3: Oh kill her if she.
Speaker 4: Goes to Van Yeah, I was like, cause those are
Speaker 4: two very pretty big, like Filipino populations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't anyway, she may have been closer
Speaker 1: to her family there. We get very little about her
Speaker 1: life before she comes on the scene as a cultier,
Speaker 1: but she doesn't talk much about anything to do with
Speaker 1: her like background, really like because she's very she has
Speaker 1: a vested interest in not having you think about her
Speaker 1: before she was the queen, right like that that's kind
Speaker 1: of why so I just there's not a lot to
Speaker 1: say about that account, right, Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Her father
Speaker 1: was a lawyer and an engineer, but he dies when
Speaker 1: she's ten. Her mom dies a year later, and so
Speaker 1: she's raised by her grandmother for a couple of years,
Speaker 1: but not long after her parents die. When she's fifteen,
Speaker 1: she moves to Vancouver and she's raised by other relatives there.
Speaker 1: It's kind of unclear, you know, how much of this
Speaker 1: is her grandparents, so they move with her. I actually
Speaker 1: just don't have that information. And that's really about all
Speaker 1: we've got as refers to her early life. We don't
Speaker 1: have any sort of real documentation about her outside of this.
Speaker 1: Sarteeshi and a journalist from Vice, Max Lammereaux, are kind
Speaker 1: of the two people who have really delved into her
Speaker 1: background a lot. So I am, I haven't. There's a
Speaker 1: couple of other things I found just from like shit
Speaker 1: she's written online, but most of what you're going to
Speaker 1: find about her is from those two. And there's just
Speaker 1: not a lot that's known yet about what was she
Speaker 1: doing the first like forty years of her life. Right,
Speaker 1: You know, who doesn't have a public life because they
Speaker 1: live only to serve you and to bring you joy.
Speaker 1: It is known. Yeah, the products and services that support
Speaker 1: this podcast, that's right.
Speaker 3: Glorious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and we're back. So when Ramana next appears
Speaker 1: on the public record, she's a Canadian citizen and an entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: She seems to have run a couple of different companies,
Speaker 1: and I know Mac Lamora of Vice is someone he's
Speaker 1: reported heavily on her, and he seems to think these
Speaker 1: businesses that she had were some kind of con but
Speaker 1: the specifics of maybe how she was trying to con
Speaker 1: people are unclear. That's at least how I interpret something
Speaker 1: that he said on the qan on Anonymous podcast. Mac,
Speaker 1: if I got your meaning wrong, I apologize. That seems
Speaker 1: credible to me, although again we don't really know what
Speaker 1: she was doing with these businesses. We have very little
Speaker 1: on them. Yeah, so Teshi right side, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well hold on side.
Speaker 6: Note like.
Speaker 3: QAnon feels like a fever dream right now.
Speaker 1: It's still there, but yeah, I have passed it too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, wait, that happened at work? Yeah,
Speaker 4: because our nature of work, we know it's still kind
Speaker 4: of there. But I was just like brod Info's wet
Speaker 4: to the They storm the capitol.
Speaker 1: They stormed the capitol. They won, a lot of them
Speaker 1: got into positions of power, and they seem almost to
Speaker 1: like I think a lot of the folks who have
Speaker 1: gotten into power who started out being q pilled and
Speaker 1: east and chunk of them have had to even pull
Speaker 1: back somewhat because once you're in office, you can't like
Speaker 1: there's not a lot that you can carry further from
Speaker 1: a lot of the qan on shit, Right.
Speaker 3: That's a real job. Once you get to it's like,
Speaker 3: this is actually a real job.
Speaker 1: I got like stuffed. I'm in a griftin too, but
Speaker 1: like I can't. I can't keep talking about how all
Speaker 1: of my colleagues that I work with every day have
Speaker 1: secretly been executed. Like that doesn't make much sense with
Speaker 1: this guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do love I do love the idea of
Speaker 4: a conspiracy theorist, you know, as pilled as that. And
Speaker 4: then you get to finally, like the deputy director of
Speaker 4: the I don't know, interior for agriculture, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's just spreadsheets. Yeah, everybody here is just doing spreadsheets.
Speaker 4: And now I'm one of them, and now what do
Speaker 4: I what do I do?
Speaker 1: It's the sad thing when you really come to like,
Speaker 1: growing up, I was a conspiracy theorist, not like in
Speaker 1: a literal believer way, but as like a fandom. I
Speaker 1: enjoyed the conspiracy phantom. Right, it's fun.
Speaker 3: One of my OG's.
Speaker 4: Ok, this is a diversion, but it's very funny. One
Speaker 4: of my OG's told me a joke recently, and like
Speaker 4: he called me, my man Jonathan, he called me, he said,
Speaker 4: he I got a joke for you. He goes, Okay,
Speaker 4: this conspiracy theorist dies and he goes to have it
Speaker 4: and he's sitting down and he's talking to Jesus, and
Speaker 4: Jesus says, hey, you know what, ask me anything, and
Speaker 4: the guy goes, all right, JFK, what happened? And then
Speaker 4: Jesus goes, dude, it was Lee Harvey Oswald, third story,
Speaker 4: single shooter, right out the window. He got him three shots,
Speaker 4: all from him, and the conspiracy theorist goes, man, So
Speaker 4: this thing goes higher than I even thought. Think Jesus
Speaker 4: is in on the conspiracy also anyway, Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 4: was looking at Sophie.
Speaker 1: I mean I've been saying that for years, because who
Speaker 1: else would have had the power to drop someone like JFK,
Speaker 1: you know, of course, but I so like, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously Bernie Sanders, but of course, of course you get
Speaker 1: to like you get to this point where you study
Speaker 1: the world enough to realize that, like, there are conspiracies,
Speaker 1: but they're all as you said, they're mostly guys with spreadsheets.
Speaker 1: Even the conspiracies are like, they're not usually fun. They're
Speaker 1: like some guys hiding a bunch of financial crimes on
Speaker 1: a spreadsheet, or like hiding the fact that they're bribing
Speaker 1: people to put in place a law that increases their
Speaker 1: bottom line by five and maybe that also kills a
Speaker 1: few hundred thousand people, but they're doing it because it
Speaker 1: makes them like eight percent wealthier, right, Yeah, and.
Speaker 4: It's only usually like four of them, yeah, like and
Speaker 4: nobody doesn't really know the whole story except for maybe
Speaker 4: two of them, dudes. But the idea that like, yeah,
Speaker 4: seventy countries have agreed that we're gonna lie about the
Speaker 4: shape of the earth, like seventy like you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, for sixty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, they couldn't again, like they couldn't keep
Speaker 1: Like we're seeing the actual conspiracy now with like fucking
Speaker 1: Alex Pretti's murder right where yeah, we all see the
Speaker 1: video of this man who is completely unarmed and was
Speaker 1: never violent, just getting executed by an ice agent and
Speaker 1: then the government's like, no, he nearly killed him. He
Speaker 1: nearly killed that. And my friend is a conspiracy. But
Speaker 1: it's not like inner, it's not fun. It's just like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's just a brute force of evil just lying.
Speaker 1: And that's like what conspiracy. It's never seven different kinds
Speaker 1: of alien have gotten together to like hide the fact
Speaker 1: that the world leaders are drinking the blood of children
Speaker 1: in order to get high.
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally say the exact same thing with Renee Good.
Speaker 2: She was gonna just gonna run this man over literally.
Speaker 1: No Epstein right where it's like, yeah, there was a conspiracy,
Speaker 1: but you guys looked the other way at this dude's
Speaker 1: shady financial dealings because he provided them with fifteen year
Speaker 1: old girls, right, like that, that's pretty conspiracy. There's no aliens, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Pretty simple.
Speaker 4: It's not blood sacrifices, it's young women. It's, yes, exactly
Speaker 4: the basic debauchery that we all know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's not very fun, which is why
Speaker 1: people like Romana Dulo have juice. Right, It's why all
Speaker 1: these conspiracy theory figures, why there's an appeal to them,
Speaker 1: is that, like, anything's better than realizing how fucked up
Speaker 1: the world is in such a banal way and how
Speaker 1: small your power is to actually do anything as an
Speaker 1: individual so you might as well believe that, like this
Speaker 1: guy who you met living in a fucking squat is
Speaker 1: actually secretly in touch with the alien masters of the
Speaker 1: universe and is the secret King of America or whatever.
Speaker 1: And if you just follow him on an RV, you know,
Speaker 1: that's way more fun.
Speaker 3: So much fun.
Speaker 1: Getting back to Romana here, right. Christine Starteghi has charted
Speaker 1: her earliest online presence, which seems to be an October
Speaker 1: two thousand and six article in a business publication that
Speaker 1: describes her as the president and CEO of Global Solutions Canada.
Speaker 1: The company description makes it seem like a rinky dink
Speaker 1: budget version of Sales Force. You know, it's a company
Speaker 1: you have that provides you with hr resources for your
Speaker 1: startup and their specific specialty was recruiting engineers and geologists
Speaker 1: for the oil and gas industry. And again, maybe she
Speaker 1: tried to make a real business and it just failed.
Speaker 1: I am assuming there was an angle here, There was
Speaker 1: some way in which this was fraudulent because of who
Speaker 1: she is, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, me and my buddies try to come up with
Speaker 4: this like a sentence to describe, like what some sort
Speaker 4: of company like that, Oh, Global Solutions LLC.
Speaker 3: What do we do?
Speaker 1: What we do Global Solutions lzie sounds real.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, what we do is we try to integrate
Speaker 4: and synergize between two different operating systems to make sure
Speaker 4: that we can streamline the the processes for the We
Speaker 4: just we synergies, like just just putting together a bunch
Speaker 4: of words.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up synergy because during our first
Speaker 1: meetings with Netflix, they told us how important synergy was
Speaker 1: to them, and I said, guys, I love sinning. I'm
Speaker 1: sinning right now. I got so much synergy. I've got
Speaker 1: endless energy to sin. Never met sin out of me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: for lea reasons, never it happens. So Global Solutions, Geology,
Speaker 1: salesforce business whatever. That really was her subsequent venture. She
Speaker 1: has a series of real estate corporations that are described
Speaker 1: by Starteghi as shell corporations. And I have to assume
Speaker 1: that's definitely some sort of of course, right, Startegi concludes,
Speaker 1: did you lo also has two additional open businesses in
Speaker 1: London and Wales. Uh. No, substantial activity with these corporations
Speaker 1: is known. Success in the business world seems to have
Speaker 1: eluded her. Right, She's not successful, She's not making money.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what does your real estate company do? Oh well,
Speaker 3: we we.
Speaker 1: Make sure stuff mostly the.
Speaker 4: Integration of you know, our our HR systems and our
Speaker 4: you know, you know.
Speaker 1: Send me fifteen hundred bucks and you'll find.
Speaker 3: Out things and I'll help you out.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: We could set you guys up, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, are you guys getting a gang of emails that
Speaker 4: are clearly written by AI about how you can synergize
Speaker 4: your companies.
Speaker 1: I get a lot of oh yeah, I get a
Speaker 1: lot of them from PR people being like, here's an
Speaker 1: article for your website that we think your readers would love.
Speaker 1: You can post it, and it's just like talking about
Speaker 1: how cool the CEO of this company that's going to
Speaker 1: fail in five months is. I love PR emails.
Speaker 3: Oh man, They're so great.
Speaker 4: And then I'll get a follow up page just making
Speaker 4: sure you saw our last email. And I'm like, I
Speaker 4: saw it go into my spam fold.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought, so, I can't judge you. I have
Speaker 1: in my secondary email forty nine thousand done ready emails.
Speaker 4: So oh yes, like, you know, for the for the
Speaker 4: listeners and observers, like the the bit about Robert is
Speaker 4: he's actually a very good businessman. And it's it's pretty
Speaker 4: funny to see you.
Speaker 1: Click Sophie businessman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wait, let me finish, Let me finish.
Speaker 4: Is when I see like the and the switch is
Speaker 4: so quick because Sophie is like cutthroat, this will be
Speaker 4: here for this what we're finna do right?
Speaker 3: Like this, what I need?
Speaker 4: This? The bag where my money? Talk to me with
Speaker 4: my money ready, right, that's Sophie. And then but you
Speaker 4: don't realize because you know Robert's being goofy, and all
Speaker 4: of a sudden he clicks in and he says, well, actually,
Speaker 4: I think that really if we set up and you're
Speaker 4: just like whoa like so I just want to like
Speaker 4: put that out there, like Robert got a switch he got.
Speaker 1: Did I get my MBA from Harvard?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, let me into Harvard? I had like a
Speaker 1: two point eight GPA. What do you think they let
Speaker 1: me in?
Speaker 5: Did you?
Speaker 2: Did you see my face when you started this? And
Speaker 2: it's almost like wait, but Provert's a fantastic business partner
Speaker 2: because he listens to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a fantastic business partner because I let Sophie
Speaker 1: run things while I write about the Queen of Canada,
Speaker 1: much much like Bill Gates. So from other interviews conducted
Speaker 1: with people who saw her, and from other interviews conducted
Speaker 1: with people who saw the queen in her home prior
Speaker 1: to announcing that she was the queen, we can say
Speaker 1: that Didulo did not live well. People have described her
Speaker 1: his living in squalor and maybe having been something of
Speaker 1: a hoarder. She was I don't know if she was
Speaker 1: like poor poor, but she's like not, She's like lower
Speaker 1: middle class at best in terms of like income level.
Speaker 1: She seems to be struggling financially. Right, we don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of context here, but this is people who
Speaker 1: saw her house were like, she was not living well.
Speaker 1: She had a room, it was crowded and not very cleaner,
Speaker 1: and eyes like she's like, this is someone who's doing
Speaker 1: about as well as you'd expect someone who's orphaned at
Speaker 1: eleven and then has to immigrate to her new country
Speaker 1: to be doing right. Like, She's not someone who's living
Speaker 1: in a rarefied air. She's struggling, and she does not
Speaker 1: seem to have a particular position of respect or to
Speaker 1: be very well known by her neighbors. Right, and part
Speaker 1: because very few of them have come forward, is she's
Speaker 1: gotten more famous to even say negative things about her,
Speaker 1: which to me kind of suggests maybe she just maybe
Speaker 1: in this previous areas of her life, she was, if
Speaker 1: not like a shut in, then just not someone who
Speaker 1: was very much a part of the social life in
Speaker 1: her community. Right, Maybe someone who was very isolated given
Speaker 1: her proclivities, we can say, probably someone who spent way
Speaker 1: too much time on the internet, watching YouTube videos and
Speaker 1: reading articles about conspiracy theories. Right.
Speaker 3: I feel like she was in her own head for
Speaker 3: most of.
Speaker 1: Her life, just like the vibey idiot. Yeah right, that's
Speaker 1: the vibe. I kind of get vices. Mac Lamoreau has
Speaker 1: noted that in one live stream, she's claimed to have
Speaker 1: been homeless at one point and to have slept on
Speaker 1: the floor of a friend's nail salon. I don't see
Speaker 1: any real reason to doubt this. It seems pretty she
Speaker 1: lies about a lot, but that's that's I've known friends
Speaker 1: who've been in the same situation. You would they had
Speaker 1: to sleep on a few floors, you know, for her,
Speaker 1: as for millions of other people in similar situations, the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty COVID nineteen pandemic offered a lifeline. That year,
Speaker 1: she took the lockdown and the attendant explosion in conspiracy
Speaker 1: culture and fringe political organizing as an impetus to start
Speaker 1: her own political party, the Canada First Party of Canada
Speaker 1: and that of Canada, because what it could be a
Speaker 1: Canada First Party of I'm going to start the Canada
Speaker 1: First Party of America. I guess politics should be entirely
Speaker 1: geared towards what's best for Canada. First. Off of them
Speaker 1: are nukes. You know, they're better suited to them. And
Speaker 1: you know what, you guys can have Maine.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of we went to the R and
Speaker 2: C and they had all those signs everywhere that said
Speaker 2: make America great once again.
Speaker 1: You're like, didn't we already do it?
Speaker 3: You just added once?
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, the Canada First Party of cant And she's seeing
Speaker 1: the Party of Canada.
Speaker 2: The Canada First Party of Canada, the Los Angeles Angels
Speaker 2: of Anaheim.
Speaker 1: Glorious, She's seeing all these. Number one, she's stuck inside, yes,
Speaker 1: but everyone's stuck inside, and she's seeing traffic explode. Probably
Speaker 1: just because of the things that she knows and brings up.
Speaker 1: She is familiar with a bunch of weird little particularly
Speaker 1: a lot of alien focused conspiracy worlds. She talks a
Speaker 1: lot about like the hidden secret bases that the Army's
Speaker 1: supposed to run, which we talked about in our UFO episodes.
Speaker 1: This starts out in like New Mexico because people are
Speaker 1: trying to hide the results of some like nuclear tests,
Speaker 1: but it's turned into today there's people believe like the
Speaker 1: Getty and Los Angeles has like a deep underground military
Speaker 1: base where they're like taking adrenachrome out of children. She's
Speaker 1: she's big into all that. She believes in med beds,
Speaker 1: which is this, these extraterrestrial aliens have these beds that
Speaker 1: will heal any sickness, and they're trying to give them
Speaker 1: to us, but some group of evil elites is keeping
Speaker 1: them away from us. Right, she leaves all of that stuff.
Speaker 4: Was I on this was I on the show for
Speaker 4: the for the for the alien conspiracy ones when.
Speaker 1: You don't remember who our guests.
Speaker 3: Was, Yeah, I remember us doing it.
Speaker 4: And then and how like the CIA or the Yeah,
Speaker 4: the government was like because it was like.
Speaker 1: The d i A or the military intelligence even that
Speaker 1: was fucking around more than the CIA with this.
Speaker 3: And they kept feeding secrets the Whomeboy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yeah, now you're you're tapped into the conspiracy.
Speaker 3: Brother, you might be on it, bro, you might be
Speaker 3: on the something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a few Sometimes it's like you all, like
Speaker 4: the reality is if he wasn't such like a flaming
Speaker 4: piece of vomit, like Trump is hilarious so far.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's funny, man.
Speaker 2: But if he wasn't so evil, you'd be the funny
Speaker 2: so evil.
Speaker 4: So for the government to be like you wait, you
Speaker 4: think Area fifty one is aliens?
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me tell you.
Speaker 1: Some more like that. Fun he's even more going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bro, you don't even know to have homeie.
Speaker 1: So that's a chunk of the conspiracy culture that she
Speaker 1: seems to be most inundated in. And during twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: she's watching traffic to all of the different people that
Speaker 1: she watched all these videos. It's all going up, and
Speaker 1: she's seeing, you know, she's watching the news. She's seeing
Speaker 1: the protests and stuff all over the in the US.
Speaker 1: But she's also seen like the anti lockdown protests in general.
Speaker 1: It's hard not if you have and I think most
Speaker 1: people who have cult leader Jews have a kind of
Speaker 1: sixth sense for timing for the lick yep, and I
Speaker 1: think for her, it's like, this is the time to
Speaker 1: try something. People are uniquely vulnerable and I can maybe
Speaker 1: get it and maybe change my shitty life if I guess,
Speaker 1: if I can rally a following around me. So she
Speaker 1: starts the Canada First Party of Canada. Know Your Meme
Speaker 1: describes the party platform as generally opposed to progressive, socialist
Speaker 1: and liberal ideologies, as well as what it describes as
Speaker 1: the U wins and globalist plans to turn Canada into
Speaker 1: a third world country. The website for the party seems
Speaker 1: to have been created sometime during the early summer, and
Speaker 1: by August it's telegram page had about seventeen thousand members,
Speaker 1: which probably didn't translate to more than a few hundred
Speaker 1: Canadians who would call themselves members of the party. But
Speaker 1: first off, for someone who's living alone in like a
Speaker 1: in hoarding and like a tiny room, suddenly got seventeen
Speaker 1: thousand people on your telegram page saying they believe it,
Speaker 1: that's got to be addicting, right, That's like.
Speaker 3: That's got to feel amazing.
Speaker 1: That's like giving someone with a congenital predisposition towards addictive
Speaker 1: behavior their first hit a heroin where they're like, oh.
Speaker 4: No oh, no oh, changed, Yeah, this is what I've
Speaker 4: been waiting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've been looking for a drug to destroy
Speaker 1: my life. Thank god, my lord.
Speaker 3: You know it's also interesting too, like.
Speaker 4: And it's like, this is the part about like con
Speaker 4: artists and hustlers that I still like, I still kind
Speaker 4: of trip out on because I'm like, Okay, so when
Speaker 4: I think about, like, there are some I can think
Speaker 4: of three dudes that I grew up with that I'm like,
Speaker 4: I have known for over twenty years, and I realize
Speaker 4: I know nothing about you, Like there's a way that
Speaker 4: they and and there there are a lot of them
Speaker 4: are like like hustlers, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but there was there's a way for them to like
Speaker 4: really the knowledge of knowing how much to tell you
Speaker 4: and how much not to tell you, and but you
Speaker 4: but it feel like it feels like we're friends, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, And I do believe, like you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, this person like thinks one of
Speaker 4: the homies. I remember it was like I looked up
Speaker 4: like this dude was in Cuba. I was like, what
Speaker 4: are you like he's visiting Cuba, like he just went
Speaker 4: to Like you know what I'm saying, I'm like, you
Speaker 4: went to go visit Like I'm like, I have known
Speaker 4: you for twenty years, you know. I mean like I've
Speaker 4: been to your house and I realize I don't really
Speaker 4: know you, you know, So I think that there's but
Speaker 4: there's this sense of like you said, just like sentence
Speaker 4: to know, like time to talk, time to shut up,
Speaker 4: time to go, time to get out, Like I notice
Speaker 4: this the moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always it's it's always interesting when you run
Speaker 1: into people who have that like skill for for leaving
Speaker 1: some stuff on the table. I had an older friend
Speaker 1: when I was in my twenties, like I was a
Speaker 1: lot older, and we would we did like a biking
Speaker 1: club and stuff together and would hang out. And I'd
Speaker 1: known him for like two years, and I don't even
Speaker 1: remember how it came out, but he was just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did three tours in Vietnam. What Like what's like?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't you never mentioned anything like three is
Speaker 1: a lot. Most people didn't do that. Yeah that says something.
Speaker 4: What Yeah, but yeah, that's so even us knowing like
Speaker 4: what we know about her and then how much we
Speaker 4: don't know about her is like, yeah, you know, but
Speaker 4: but I feel like the people that are able to
Speaker 4: stay in the hustle are the ones that don't get
Speaker 4: addicted to the attention.
Speaker 3: Like, well, when they get the attention, that's going to
Speaker 3: be the downfall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I think, because I think most
Speaker 1: cote leaders are addicted to the attention. But you're right,
Speaker 1: there's something, there's a degree, there's a degree of separation
Speaker 1: you have to have from the bullshit in order to
Speaker 1: be like el Ron Hubbard. I think always knew exactly
Speaker 1: what the bullshit was, right, and that's why he had
Speaker 1: the staying power and the success he did. It's not
Speaker 1: that he wasn't deluded about certain things, but I think
Speaker 1: he was generally pretty aware of what reality was and
Speaker 1: was just conscious consciously and he loved the attention. He
Speaker 1: loved being worshiped, but he it never I mean it
Speaker 1: did near the end of his life. It eventually did
Speaker 1: kind of overwhelm him, But for a very long time
Speaker 1: he was able to keep enough of an understanding of
Speaker 1: reality a distance to stay ahead of the authorities, right,
Speaker 1: ya say, even about and I want to say, like
Speaker 1: al Ron Hubbard was perfectly sane and rational. No no, no no,
Speaker 1: but he kept enough, he had enough of an understanding
Speaker 1: of what reality was that he didn't fall victim to
Speaker 1: his own bullshit. He lived a long life and died free.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 4: If you can hold on to something that's like this,
Speaker 4: I know is this is what I really am. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm saying this is why I really am.
Speaker 3: This is work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 1: On November twenty, twenty twenty, Ramana uploaded the first YouTube
Speaker 1: video to the Canada First Party of Canada's YouTube account,
Speaker 1: featuring a song that made it sound like every movie
Speaker 1: trailer from a decade earlier. The video otherwise had minimum featured,
Speaker 1: minimally competent editing and fairly clear audio, which sets her
Speaker 1: apart from a lot of people trying to like make
Speaker 1: fake vanity political parties. In this time, Sophie's gonna play
Speaker 1: you a little bit of the Canada First Party for
Speaker 1: Canada's ad here so you can this is her first,
Speaker 1: her first documented grift, So we gotta see this.
Speaker 4: Yes, but before you play this, like, I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 4: laugh every time you say that Canada First Party.
Speaker 1: Of Canada, Party of Canada. I'm a laugh every time.
Speaker 6: Okay, Hello Canada. I'm Romana Didulo. I'm the founder and
Speaker 6: the leader of Canada. First, it's time for us to
Speaker 6: clean up the swamp in Ottawa, to put an end
Speaker 6: the corruption, criminality, incompetence and lives in the government.
Speaker 1: See, you know, she is not pretty all what I
Speaker 1: think she would be. No, no, And that's the thing.
Speaker 1: She's not very charismatic. She's not a great speagrece. It's
Speaker 1: it's zero riz. There's again, there's effort, because that's a
Speaker 1: competently it's not like unclear the audios, it's not like good,
Speaker 1: but you're not. I've listened to a lot of these.
Speaker 1: Usually the audios worse and stuff like this. Usually the
Speaker 1: editing's worse. Like it was like she hit a minimum
Speaker 1: bar of competence. Yeah, which is how I generally describe
Speaker 1: her as a cult leader. She's not a good one.
Speaker 1: She's a minimally competent cult leader. And what's interesting is
Speaker 1: that she's managed to get a lot more attention than
Speaker 1: you'd expect given her generally low level of competence, which
Speaker 1: I find compelling.
Speaker 4: It's also a to me that like, this isn't like
Speaker 4: she's using the exact same Like it's like this is
Speaker 4: a bite, this is currently what we're saying, Like there's
Speaker 4: already currently this. Do you copy my whole flow bar
Speaker 4: for bar, Like it's already currently We're already doing the
Speaker 4: drain this.
Speaker 1: Swamp, Like yeah, yeah, exactly. It's just a ripoff of
Speaker 1: Trump is populism mixed with you know, Trump is objectively charismatic.
Speaker 1: You may not like it, most of us don't, but
Speaker 1: he's to the people. He's able, a lot of people do,
Speaker 1: a lot of people pick up what he's putting down.
Speaker 1: He can give us, you know, you know he used
Speaker 1: to be better when he was younger. But he can
Speaker 1: give a speech. She's not good at that. Right, she
Speaker 1: has no stage presence. It's one of the least energetic
Speaker 1: examples of vo I've heard in the right wing populist
Speaker 1: politics game. And this is kind of the big mystery
Speaker 1: about her. Right, she doesn't have any money, she doesn't
Speaker 1: have any power, and she's boring us. How why is
Speaker 1: anyone talking about the quate of Canada?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Because she's she's had a lot more of an impact
Speaker 1: than you'd guess, given all this, and I think the
Speaker 1: answer I have to give is sheer persistence. She seems
Speaker 1: to have committed to launching a career for herself out
Speaker 1: of the right wing fever swamps in the early days
Speaker 1: of the pandemic, and she's stuck to it tenaciously. I
Speaker 1: can imagine that watching the first four years of Trump's presidence,
Speaker 1: her first three years had given her a lot of
Speaker 1: ideas as to content and made it clear that there
Speaker 1: was no bottom floor of credibility as long as you
Speaker 1: hated vaccines in the un right, That's all she needed
Speaker 1: to say, and it didn't matter how much bullshit she
Speaker 1: was otherwise. Right. That's what works with these This first
Speaker 1: video only gets about twenty four thousand views in eighteen months,
Speaker 1: and the Canada First Party of Canada sputters out and
Speaker 1: there's not really anything memorable anecdote wise about it. They
Speaker 1: don't have any fun moments, they don't have any big conventions.
Speaker 1: It's a failed grift. It's mainly interesting because of what
Speaker 1: comes next. She pivots immediately from the failure of this
Speaker 1: political party to announcing herself as the Queen of Canada,
Speaker 1: and from the outside, that seems like a desperation move right,
Speaker 1: that probably shouldn't work. It's like if Trump, if like
Speaker 1: the campaign hadn't worked, and then he just started telling
Speaker 1: everyone he was secretly the king of America, you know,
Speaker 1: like that that wouldn't seem like a well considered pivot, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's going to work, right, And that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of what's most interesting to me about her. On May thirtieth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, Digulo uploaded the first video on her
Speaker 1: personal channel announcing that she was Commander in Chief of Canada.
Speaker 1: That's before she's queen. She says that she's the commander
Speaker 1: in chief. The language in the video deliberately apes QAnon.
Speaker 1: She describes herself as as opposed by a deep state
Speaker 1: cabal tied to a global pedophile conspiracy that she was
Speaker 1: battling alongside white hats okay, which is a term that
Speaker 1: comes out of like the hacking world. Right. You've got
Speaker 1: like black hat hackers and white hat hackers, right, And
Speaker 1: the black hats are people who are trying to fuck
Speaker 1: up systems for their own benefit generally. The white hats
Speaker 1: are like the people who are generally defending against malicious hacking, right, Like,
Speaker 1: that's kind of the basic idea. I don't actually have
Speaker 1: a great handling on why white hat got taken up
Speaker 1: by the QAnon people, but it does. This is way
Speaker 1: pre didulo. This is the early years of Trump that
Speaker 1: they're starting to use the term white hats to talk
Speaker 1: about like and these are when they use it. It
Speaker 1: means the members of the government and the intelligence services
Speaker 1: in the military who aren't part of the deep state cabal, right,
Speaker 1: They're the good guys who are fighting this secret war.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Now, I can't find her first video, but if you've
Speaker 1: seen one of her pronouncements, you've seen most of them.
Speaker 1: So here's an example from less than a year after
Speaker 1: when she first makes her video. This is just to
Speaker 1: give you an idea of what it looks like when
Speaker 1: she addresses her subjects. This is filmed in an RV.
Speaker 3: Wait what you said, This is filmed in an RV.
Speaker 1: It sure is?
Speaker 3: What the hell?
Speaker 1: Okay those are r V grade curtains man. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's go.
Speaker 5: My fellow Canadians, I address you today as your Queen
Speaker 5: and commander in chief. We are on the eve of
Speaker 5: World War three. I asked that everyone come as one
Speaker 5: people and one nation and to work with the United
Speaker 5: States and all of our allies around the world. God
Speaker 5: help us and God speed.
Speaker 3: Oh my lord?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is she?
Speaker 3: Who are you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's she's interesting because again, no charisma, no juice. Seemingly,
Speaker 1: I will say, she's putting some effort into dressing up.
Speaker 1: You know, the white the white jacket thing is a
Speaker 1: good call because it does kind of look vaguely regal,
Speaker 1: you know, don't give her that she got flags again,
Speaker 1: she puts in some effort, like it's not the zero
Speaker 1: effort version like she's got. She makes sure everything's white
Speaker 1: behind her. It looks vaguely, but it looks almost like
Speaker 1: kind of like an Air Force one type video. It's
Speaker 1: just her RV.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's like production but the production value is
Speaker 2: like West Wing nineteen ninety seven very much.
Speaker 4: It's very much a TV show. Yeah in the nineties,
Speaker 4: Yeah about nineties.
Speaker 1: She's trying, but she doesn't have a lot of resources
Speaker 1: to try with, right, so she's taking as much as
Speaker 1: she can with what she has.
Speaker 4: I think I'm starting to realize how she even made
Speaker 4: it to your radar and into this podcast, because it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: this is a very much of against all odds, because
Speaker 4: I there is no reason we should know anything about
Speaker 4: this person based on the two things that you just
Speaker 4: showed me.
Speaker 1: No, she should never have hit our art. But here's
Speaker 1: the thing. Part of why I'm doing this prop this
Speaker 1: is she's in our top four or five most requested subjects.
Speaker 1: That is, like anytime you go online to where people
Speaker 1: talk about, like, hey, what who should we do next,
Speaker 1: she's always prominent. I love. That's why doing her I.
Speaker 4: Think now I get like I'm telling you, man, like
Speaker 4: the vision is becoming very clear to me, like where
Speaker 4: you that you was like, Okay, she's definitely like a
Speaker 4: C minus thing. But the but the tenacity of like
Speaker 4: how you managed to poke through and get a number
Speaker 4: one record, it's just that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah with no bombs. Yeah, and I yeah, that's kind
Speaker 1: of the big mystery of her. So her first and
Speaker 1: second video she she puts out trying to claim that
Speaker 1: she's now in charge of Canada get roughly like fourteen
Speaker 1: thousand views in their first year each. So there's no
Speaker 1: sign yet that this Queen Grift is going to take
Speaker 1: her any further than the Canada First Party of Canada.
Speaker 1: It's a little less successful, it looks like initially, but
Speaker 1: trying your hat becoming a figure in the right wing
Speaker 1: fever swamps. It's a little like playing the slots right
Speaker 1: each time you pull that lever. Actually it's generally just
Speaker 1: a button the levers, the levers or anymore les. Yeah, whatever.
Speaker 1: Every time you say go right, you have a random
Speaker 1: chance of winning. And in this case, when it comes
Speaker 1: to being a right wing kind of conspiracy cult figure,
Speaker 1: winning means someone bigger in the movement catches onto your
Speaker 1: content and decides to either direct their followers your way
Speaker 1: or to play in with your bits. This is a
Speaker 1: big thing. This has been an aspect of UFO culture
Speaker 1: of like like the psychic you know, the whole new
Speaker 1: agent that believes that we have psychic powers where people
Speaker 1: will be like I'll play along. Yeah, I saw those
Speaker 1: aliens too, or that alien she's in psychic contact with.
Speaker 1: I'm also in psychic contact with, so you can trust her, right,
Speaker 1: And it's yeah, like.
Speaker 4: Are they just like a are are people like you know,
Speaker 4: posting and sharing it because they think it's funny or
Speaker 4: like you said, like that's what I was thinking. I
Speaker 4: was like, I feel like people are doing this ironically, But.
Speaker 1: Then I think that's a good chunk of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, even within the right wing, because it's like
Speaker 3: even the.
Speaker 4: Brain cooked folks still got some sense.
Speaker 3: To be like, well, this is just funny, this.
Speaker 1: Seems not Yeah, And I think I think most even
Speaker 1: most people on the right who are aware of her, like, well,
Speaker 1: this lady's a kok, right, and most of the kooky
Speaker 1: people on the right are aware that this lady is
Speaker 1: a kook. But in part, being made fun of and
Speaker 1: being ridiculous enough that you get elevated by people talking
Speaker 1: about what a bad con artist you are is part
Speaker 1: of how you get success in this field, because it
Speaker 1: just raises your general visibility, you know, like when people
Speaker 1: are talking about you and laughing about how silly you are.
Speaker 1: That also, that's another it's a free play of the slot, right,
Speaker 1: because maybe somebody who can burnish your reputation somebody else
Speaker 1: and will come across your shit that way and will
Speaker 1: decide to play in right or to share your stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's not necessarily bad for you to be initially
Speaker 1: just seen as a figure of like mockery, you know,
Speaker 1: which I think is kind of what happens to her.
Speaker 1: But as mac Lamora writes for a Vice quote, the
Speaker 1: Outlander self promotion went nowhere until a well known QAnon
Speaker 1: figure confirmed her in early twenty twenty one. At the time,
Speaker 1: the titular Q who drops clues for the community on
Speaker 1: Aitkun had disappeared and did Julo stepped into the power
Speaker 1: vacuum and if a matter of months, her popularity exploded.
Speaker 1: And this is important. We're in early twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden has taken office. Trump is at least temporarily
Speaker 1: seems like he might be out of the game, right
Speaker 1: He was not wildly popular for the first couple of
Speaker 1: months after January sixth, and Q's not doing drops anymore.
Speaker 1: So there's still just as much as we're all aware of,
Speaker 1: just as much interest in this stuff, just as many
Speaker 1: people who are on board for these nonsense right wing
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, but the most prominent people have kind of
Speaker 1: dropped out temporarily. And so part of why she gets
Speaker 1: success is she just starts trying to make a name
Speaker 1: for herself at a point in which there's nothing on TV.
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of like one of those shows
Speaker 1: that wouldn't have been a hit if there'd been anything
Speaker 1: geeral on, but because there's not, you know, yeah, like Okay.
Speaker 1: You know, so this prominent QAnon figure who is the
Speaker 1: first guy who really gives your credibility, seems to have
Speaker 1: been a fellow who went by the user name Whiplash
Speaker 1: three four seven. He runs a telegram channel with about
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand followers, which makes him a fairly large
Speaker 1: fixture in the QAnon community, and like many influential q heads,
Speaker 1: he claims to have close personal ties to Elon Musk,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, and JFK. Junior, who is deceased but they
Speaker 1: believe is secretly alive.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, forgot, he's alive.
Speaker 4: My bad.
Speaker 3: I gotta keep it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And you know what never dies? Prop Oh? Man,
Speaker 1: gooneys the girl they had that that's actually the one
Speaker 1: of the Goonies must.
Speaker 2: Have died, right, Goonies never say die.
Speaker 3: They never say die.
Speaker 1: Figure figure out if one of the Goonies has died,
Speaker 1: and if they're all alive, hunt one of them down,
Speaker 1: and then Jesus off to ads. Jesus Christ, we're back.
Speaker 1: Sophie is telling me that we are not allowed to
Speaker 1: tell people to hunt down the cast of the of
Speaker 1: the classic film Goonies. They're wonderful people, They're wonderful people
Speaker 1: probably don't hunt them down unless you have like a
Speaker 1: really good shot at it.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get kicked out of Oregon for that tick
Speaker 2: because that was shot in the.
Speaker 3: Organ very much organ.
Speaker 1: I think it mostly annoys people from Oregon though, because
Speaker 1: that house, you know, that whole neighborhood probably property values
Speaker 1: You're swollen as a result.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 4: Imagine, Yeah, like every morning I kind of live next
Speaker 4: to a kind of like a cult classic location.
Speaker 3: I won't say exactly.
Speaker 1: Say which it is, say which it is. Let's move
Speaker 1: on from this. Yeah, you got.
Speaker 3: Too many listeners.
Speaker 1: Yeah. H So, in the space of a year, from
Speaker 1: like early twenty twenty one to early twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: Didulo goes from someone who couldn't crack fifteen thousand views
Speaker 1: on a YouTube video to someone who, in May of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one head close to twenty thousand followers on
Speaker 1: her personal telegram channel amazing, and at least hundreds of
Speaker 1: people claim to embrace her as their rightful sovereign and leaders.
Speaker 1: She's eventually going to get close to like it's going
Speaker 1: to be like eighty thousand or something like that on
Speaker 1: her telegram channel. So again, you know the guy who
Speaker 1: kind of vouches for her has like three hundred thousand
Speaker 1: followers on telegram, so she's never up to his level.
Speaker 1: But that's enough. When you've got like eighty thousand people
Speaker 1: following your telegram, you can pull out a couple a
Speaker 1: dozen folks who are going to be willing to change
Speaker 1: their lives to follow you in the real world. Oh no,
Speaker 1: that right, Yeah, that's enough. You know, it's not enough
Speaker 1: to be a big deal, but it's enough to change
Speaker 1: your your shitty life into something more fun. So during
Speaker 1: this first year, she's not out in public yet, no
Speaker 1: one's seen her. She's not traveling immediately, right, she's mostly
Speaker 1: for the first kind of few months that she's the
Speaker 1: Queen of Canada, she's just making videos and she's expanding
Speaker 1: the law about herself. She's doing a lot of live streams,
Speaker 1: she's talking a lot in her telegram, and you know
Speaker 1: she's thought this through to some extent. She knows that
Speaker 1: royalty doesn't just conjure itself up out of thin air.
Speaker 1: It's appointed by other royalty. Right, you can't just say
Speaker 1: I'm the queen. Some other king or something has to
Speaker 1: say I'm the queen. Kind of how it works. Generally,
Speaker 1: I mean, initially, there's always some guy who's like, I'm
Speaker 1: the king. Here's what a king is. Right, by this point,
Speaker 1: we've got a fairly robust system of royalty in the world.
Speaker 1: Someone knows about. Think we kind of know now yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: now here's how researcher Christine Sarteghi summarizes Digulo's description of
Speaker 1: her own rise to power is recounted over a series
Speaker 1: of live streams and YouTube videos. Digito had been living
Speaker 1: with a roommate in Victoria, British Columbia, working a regular
Speaker 1: nine to five job. The two were living in a basement.
Speaker 1: At night and after working her day job, Romana was
Speaker 1: secretly interacting with a man she would later reveal as
Speaker 1: his Highness David J. Carlson, married to her Highness Sarah MG. Carlson,
Speaker 1: who is acting in the role of Commander in Chief
Speaker 1: of the United States Air Force Academy's Civilian Command of
Speaker 1: Military Operations, which what who what? That's not Commander in
Speaker 1: Chief of the Air Force Academy Civilian Command.
Speaker 2: Of what you're saying words.
Speaker 4: Again, Like the commander is making sure that there's a
Speaker 4: connection between the two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, She'll just call David Carlson, the commander in chief
Speaker 1: of the United States and king. There's a lot that's
Speaker 1: wrong about this. It's what you'd expect. She's she understands
Speaker 1: America as well as you'd expect from a woman from
Speaker 1: the Philippines who's lived in Canada most of her life,
Speaker 1: which is not at all. First off, the commander in
Speaker 1: chief is a role that the president has president where
Speaker 1: they're in charge of the military, because we're supposed to
Speaker 1: have a civilian who's in charge of the military. Right,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make you king, It shouldn't, right. And it's
Speaker 1: also there's not a commander in chief just of the
Speaker 1: United States, because that's also that's not what the job is.
Speaker 1: The commander in chief is like oversight of the military,
Speaker 1: commanding in chief of the country.
Speaker 3: So funny, it's so funny, dude, Like.
Speaker 1: There's a lot that's wrong about this.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm like, that's why I'm like, y'all have
Speaker 4: to be laughing at her, because that is it's funny.
Speaker 1: She does this too with Canada, where she will kind
Speaker 1: of sometimes, especially earlier on, she would sort of she
Speaker 1: would refer to herself as the commander in chief and
Speaker 1: the Queen as if they were the same job and
Speaker 1: they're not. They never have been. It's just kind of,
Speaker 1: I think, a misunderstanding, or she just likes the way
Speaker 1: the terms sound.
Speaker 3: Also Canadians.
Speaker 4: Canadians, from my experience, are actually pretty well versed in
Speaker 4: like American history and politics, so.
Speaker 1: Like Romana not Romana. Yeah, for a while, I think
Speaker 1: the overwhelming suspicion was that David Carlson was not a
Speaker 1: real dude. But after she mentioned him, he pops up
Speaker 1: being a very real guy. And Arizona, who does in
Speaker 1: fact claim to be the king of the Kingdom of
Speaker 1: America every time?
Speaker 3: Yes, Los Angeles angel every time?
Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, I don't know marking behind the scenes, right, Like,
Speaker 1: was he pretending to be the king to her and
Speaker 1: she found him on like his weird king website and
Speaker 1: they started talking and he appointed her I don't know,
Speaker 1: or did she start claiming this about him and then
Speaker 1: he came like it's a little unclear to me what
Speaker 1: came first, like with the chicken or the egg is
Speaker 1: in this situation, But she claims David appoint did her
Speaker 1: Queen of Canada in twenty seventeen. Now, this can't be true, right,
Speaker 1: there's no evidence of her. She wasn't a figure back then, right,
Speaker 1: she wasn't saying shit. It was the evidence that right.
Speaker 1: We have no evidence she thought of this until twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, But the story needs to date back to
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen to make room for another crucial piece of
Speaker 1: Romana's hastily contrived and poorly conceived backstory. According to this tale,
Speaker 1: King David Carlson became aware of Romana and made her
Speaker 1: the Queen of Canada after she saved Canada from an
Speaker 1: underground invasion by the Chinese Communist military.
Speaker 4: Oh, single handle, that is wonderful.
Speaker 1: Now you have a reaction. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: Canadians are going to have a similar reaction because and
Speaker 1: it's sad. You know, in America we have the Korean
Speaker 1: War is our forgotten war, right, Americas just don't know
Speaker 1: a lot about the Korean War.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: And I think Canada, we can all agree. Canada's forgotten
Speaker 1: war is that time China invaded through a series of
Speaker 1: underground under turned back by a woman in her fifties. Oh,
Speaker 1: my lord, from underground, from underground, that is from underground.
Speaker 1: I love. Everything's got to take place underground. She's from
Speaker 1: that chunk of the UFO come where everything's happening underground everything.
Speaker 1: If you're like China invaded Canada, Canadians are gonna be like,
Speaker 1: I've lived in Canada and I didn't see anything. But
Speaker 1: if you're like, no, no, no, they came up underground.
Speaker 1: They were in the tunnels, like, well, maybe I haven't
Speaker 1: been to the top.
Speaker 3: One was up in the UK.
Speaker 4: It was underground. Its pretty cold up there. I don't
Speaker 4: think you could borrow dude.
Speaker 1: I don't think a cold place for tunnels.
Speaker 3: Why would they do that.
Speaker 1: I'm imagining like in a sort of situation here, which
Speaker 1: is what they're imagining right as part of what that
Speaker 1: movie was inspired by. As the story goes, there were
Speaker 1: Chinese soldiers that were like being stationed in tunnels that
Speaker 1: ran from Canada through the US down to Mexico. And
Speaker 1: the Chinese army was go to invade, and they were
Speaker 1: going to invade like Canada in the US and I
Speaker 1: guess Mexico simultaneously. And as they were preparing and getting
Speaker 1: their army in place, they were using the tunnels. Because
Speaker 1: if you've got these tunnels before they're filled with soldiers,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of a real estate outlay to buy
Speaker 1: these tunnels, so you're gonna use them for something, and
Speaker 1: the Chinese army use them to harvest adrenochrome from children.
Speaker 4: You know, So a multi national tunnel, like you say
Speaker 4: it through through three countries.
Speaker 1: Three three countries, a tunnel system presently underneath like all
Speaker 1: of the major habitation areas of those cities, right, I
Speaker 1: would assume.
Speaker 3: This is incredibleose countries. It's absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Now again she's cribbing from some old and
Speaker 1: well established conspiracy theories, which all have underground bases and
Speaker 1: cities and stuff about the you know, children being abducted
Speaker 1: to prevent organs and arcotics for the elite. This is
Speaker 1: none of this is new. She's just wrapping old stuff
Speaker 1: in her conspiracy theory. Christine Starteghi continues. Didulo claims that
Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist military is a front for the New
Speaker 1: World Order, Satanists and individuals who want to engage in eugenics.
Speaker 1: Did you. Loo asserts that she single handedly removed the
Speaker 1: Chinese Communist military from Canada and additionally the remainder of
Speaker 1: the world. It's got to be news to China. Didulo
Speaker 1: maintains that if the Chinese communist military attacked the United
Speaker 1: States as was planned, that it would have sparked a
Speaker 1: World war. She contends that her subterranean military achievements thus
Speaker 1: prevented World War three. For that, she was awarded her
Speaker 1: title ast Queen. The entire world, she explains, should be
Speaker 1: thankful for her monumental efforts. And you know what, prop
Speaker 1: let's end this episode right now by just just saying
Speaker 1: thank you Romana for stopping the Chinese communists from destroying Canada.
Speaker 1: And I guess also, America.
Speaker 4: I'm curious as to why your commander in chief in Arizona,
Speaker 4: Like why he ain't do nothing about it before he even.
Speaker 3: Got to Canada, Like why was he not? And why
Speaker 3: would you? Like, I feel like.
Speaker 1: He was the King of America, King of America.
Speaker 3: I feel like I would have an issue.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's down in Arizona. They haven't made it there yet.
Speaker 4: Way down south. You could have gave me a heads
Speaker 4: up that they was coming, yeah, saying.
Speaker 1: I feel like that they were kind of invade, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah. One thing I love about
Speaker 1: this is that it is very clearly the kind of
Speaker 1: grift that like someone who doesn't know much about Canada
Speaker 1: or the United States really would make there's this almost
Speaker 1: like childlike vantage point where like, obviously, if there's a
Speaker 1: queen in Canada, she must have been appointed by the
Speaker 1: King of America, right obviously does that just makes sense
Speaker 1: because of course, which is you know, I think kind
Speaker 1: of offensive to most Canadian most even most crazy Canadians,
Speaker 1: But it makes a lot of sense when you think
Speaker 1: about like Romana's backstory that she's she does have this
Speaker 1: kind of outsider look where she's like, Okay, I gotta
Speaker 1: find someone who who could make me Queen of Canada,
Speaker 1: King of America about the King of America.
Speaker 3: Right, that's so great, This is wonderful.
Speaker 4: I'm still curious, which we'll probably get into the next episode,
Speaker 4: is like okay, but where's the back where's the money at?
Speaker 4: Where's the bag at? Like what are we are? When
Speaker 4: do you when does she get to the money? Like
Speaker 4: what is the Yeah?
Speaker 3: What is the thing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was the I mean the grift is she's going
Speaker 1: to raise money to support her quest to save Canada.
Speaker 1: Like that that's what it's going to be. You get
Speaker 1: followers and you take their money. Right and again, when
Speaker 1: I first read about her exploits tunnel fighting the Chinese army.
Speaker 1: I had the same question you're all asking, how did
Speaker 1: she do that? And unfortunately she never gives us to tails.
Speaker 1: She just says that she was unable to eat or
Speaker 1: sleep or think while fighting off China's invasion, and when
Speaker 1: she finally achieved victory, she wept and was allowed to
Speaker 1: eat and sleep again. I think, based on my knowledge
Speaker 1: general knowledge of these kinds of movements, that she she
Speaker 1: thinks she's claiming this was a psychic battle. She wasn't
Speaker 1: fighting them in a hand to hand combat. She was
Speaker 1: sitting in her house and became aware psychically that Chinese
Speaker 1: psychers were in tunnels underneath Canada, and she fought off
Speaker 1: China psychic warriors. So using psychic powers right basically? Like
Speaker 1: so that's a little unclear to me. Prop I think so.
Speaker 1: But I don't think she fought them physically.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Why would they physical?
Speaker 4: Why am I asking about logic? But that means that see,
Speaker 4: but see we learn it here we learn and biomissions.
Speaker 4: See that means that, like your psychic fighting abilities has
Speaker 4: a range. It's more like radio rather than satellite. So
Speaker 4: you got to be a little closer to Canada. So
Speaker 4: that's the best way you might be in psychic war.
Speaker 4: You got to actually physically be on the Western hemisphere
Speaker 4: under our radio sig.
Speaker 1: That's why again, Arizona was just too far the King
Speaker 1: of America's psychic.
Speaker 6: Try.
Speaker 3: It's just a signal was to triumph.
Speaker 1: Maybe the caves were made out of dolomite, which we
Speaker 1: all know block psychic res. You know, no way to know,
Speaker 1: so uh. The Queen claims that after she finished defeating
Speaker 1: the Chinese, her roommate. It sounds like she's saying her
Speaker 1: roommate walked in on her. She doesn't exactly say this,
Speaker 1: but I'm guessing she was astral projecting. And then afterwards
Speaker 1: her roommate Caesar and is like, hey, what happened, And
Speaker 1: she's like, I am the Queen and commander in chief
Speaker 1: of Canada. I defeated the Chinese communists and if you
Speaker 1: tell anyone, I'm going to have to kill you. And
Speaker 1: that's not a joke, right.
Speaker 2: Queen having a roommate is really funny, It's very funny.
Speaker 1: It's really funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll just call uber e bro, Like, if you
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 2: Do anything, Yeah, I'm the queen. I'm gonna need your
Speaker 2: half of the utilities bill.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and here's the thing. What's funny to me is
Speaker 1: this is part of her story to her followers about
Speaker 1: like how she came to power, is like, and then
Speaker 1: I told my roommate, and my roommates started calling me
Speaker 1: your majesty from then on. Of course, she she's like
Speaker 1: he immediately recognized that I was the queen. I think
Speaker 1: this guy might have been both joking and also like, well,
Speaker 1: she's just threatened to kill me, so I probably don't
Speaker 1: want to push her too far. This is clearly an
Speaker 1: unwell person that I lived with. I mus kind of
Speaker 1: say your majesty and get on Craigslist to look for another.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Okay, your majesty, will is your turn do the bathroom?
Speaker 4: So I don't know if you got any of your
Speaker 4: royal subjects to come do this. It is your turn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you still got to clean the bathroom.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was also interested in your your your acknowledgment of
Speaker 4: the tunnels being made of dolomite, and well.
Speaker 1: I assume it it blocks psychic powers. Maybe not her
Speaker 1: psychic powers, but maybe the King of America.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying my only reference to dolomite was a
Speaker 4: pimp from the Gripes.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, it was also a pimp. Maybe the tunnels in
Speaker 1: Canada were made from a pimp from the sa Okay.
Speaker 3: Cool, Wow, dolomite was a real thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, Uh, well, everybody killing me. That's this episode of
Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards Until next time. You know what you
Speaker 1: should do.
Speaker 2: Listen to hood politics you.
Speaker 1: Could, Yeah, sure, listen to hood politics. Listen to hood politics,
Speaker 1: and declare yourself or queen of whatever country you happen
Speaker 1: to be in. You know, all you have to do
Speaker 1: is defeat the Chinese military underground using your sage with
Speaker 1: your brain.
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm gonna work really hard on that. Behind the
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