WEBVTT - Darkness in The Valley: A Recap with Ryan Bailey 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:05.200 Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings, 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:08.000 the King of Reality TV and one of the most 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:12.639 sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.759 years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:19.239 the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:24.640 entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:30.720 moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey, 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:34.400 Ray drops On today's episode Reality with the King, We're 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:38.560 back to discuss the amazing show called The Valley and 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.880 the most recent episode. And I have a very special guest. 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.839 He's printed the show. His name is Ryan Bailey. But 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:49.080 today how about you say, Ryan, who are you today? 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:54.000 I'm Ryan Caperna, I'm Janet and Jason's third so very 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:57.040 excited to be here today as always, Oh. 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:02.080 Jan and missus Jackson, if you're nasty? What episode this? Listen? 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:05.160 This show is so freaking good. I love it so much. 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.200 I always tell people it's sort of like the best 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.760 show on Brava. Right now, I can't get enough of 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:14.399 these crazy kids and Ryan, I can't wait to recap 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.800 this episode with you, So let's get right into it. 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:22.520 The episode begins with Danny and Jason having a conversation 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:28.640 about this alleged drinking problem that Danny has. But by 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.600 the way, let's just start here, Ryan, do you think 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:33.040 Danny has a drinking problem? 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:34.399 Well, listen, if. 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.000 You, I mean, in all honesty, if you are grabbing 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.880 ass and you do not remember it, that is an issue. 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:40.680 That is a problem. 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:40.960 Right. 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.200 Do I think he is like a daily drinker, that 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.360 he's like drinking rubbing alcohol? Not a chance in hell. 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:49.000 But as Jason points out later in the episode, or 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:50.800 maybe it was the after show, is just like, hey, 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:53.480 if I did that, I would never drink again, Like 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:55.000 if somebody told me I did that. 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:56.120 So that's an issue. 0:01:56.160 --> 0:01:59.040 But it is so interesting because this obviously happened close 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:01.360 to a year ago, and it's being pulled out for 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:03.320 the cameras, when, of course they could have had all 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:06.160 of these conversations if they were an actual friend group 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.840 away from the cameras. So I think you're getting this 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:12.160 like kind of double shock of my own behavior having 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.720 to face that, and then on top of it, like, well, 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.160 why didn't you tell me this when the cameras were off? 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:18.840 Why are why aren't we Why are we having these 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.960 conversations right now. So, I mean, I do think it's 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.519 a problem, but my god, we're in a cast with 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.440 Jax Taylor and Jesse Lally, which, by the way, you 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.400 should rename this to rehap with the King, because you 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:34.160 know your interview with Jesse Lally, anybody that had like 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.600 anybody that thinks negatively of a cast member, you should 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:37.919 they should come on this show. 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.000 You need to get Janet next and see what you 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:40.840 can do for Janet. 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.840 To my Lindy, let's put at the request or Janet, 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.480 because I really do want to get to talk to Art. 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.240 First of all, Beck, you Rye by exclusive, what Jesse 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:55.840 Lally was was very fun. I lacked the guy, icked 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.440 the guy, and I happen to agree with you with 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.720 terms of the conversations that they're happened with Danny boy. 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:04.560 His drinking problem did happen a year ago. But it's 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.000 so interesting is he appears to be very shocked that 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.040 it is even a topic of discussion. And I think 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:12.880 a large part of it has to do with the 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:14.880 fact that he's like, are. 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:15.640 You fucking kidding me? 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:17.600 This happened a year ago, and you're waiting to tell 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:21.320 a fucking cannon cameras, a round with the fucking diva 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.400 light and overhead lighting and a microphone pack in our 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:25.440 Levi jeans. 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:27.680 He's like, I'm trying to enjoy a hamburger. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.360 We're having hamburgers and a beer, and like, I didn't 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.680 know this conversation with and this is what happens, Like 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.640 if Jax Taylor didn't enter a mental health facility, we 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:37.720 would not be having this conversation right now. 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:40.880 Potentially, No, totally, totally, totally. 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.600 So I had to admit I was sort of caught 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:48.480 off guard with Jason, who was pretty much trying to 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.200 tell his boy Danny that, you know, it is kind 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:55.920 of a problem because Danny's like, and I'll love a flashback. 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.280 Danny's like, but that's not the message you said to 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.360 me while it is happen. And I think that this 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:06.400 is my theory. I think Janet, miss Jackson, if You're nasty, 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:10.640 had pillow talk with Jason, has said, look, motherfucker, when 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.680 you going that scene, I can't look crazy as the 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.520 only person who thinks Danny has a problem. I said 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:19.920 in the last episode, right, it was obvious. 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.039 Wait, but I mean, like, there is not a doubt 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:22.520 in my mind. 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:25.160 And by the way, if you are in a relationship 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.919 like that, you that is that kind of filter is 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:29.920 going to happen. You are going to be affected by 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.800 your partner. And you know, Janet is running her mouth 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.680 NonStop about the potent, like she looks at this from 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.000 ten different angles. On top of being a vander Pump 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:40.919 Rule's reality show fan, which I'm not bashing, but she 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:42.520 knows how the system works. 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:43.960 So she even brings. 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:46.080 Up like, quote detective Doty, which is the name the 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:47.640 fans have given Dody over the. 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.159 Years, So she knows every which way. 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:54.520 And Jason, you know, he's just he's not a confident messenger. 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.320 Luke has this a little bit as well, where they're like, 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.560 in normal life, I wouldn't be doing this, but I 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.920 guess I to have this tough conversation now where Janet 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.480 runs towards a tough conversation, which is what reality stars 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:07.440 are supposed to do. 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.080 Yes, because one thing I like about miss Jackson is 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.760 the fact that Janet has never met a camera she 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:18.000 didn't like. You know, listen, I think it's all fair 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.200 in love and war in this case, in the Valley 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:23.599 and the rules of banda Pump she wants the gig. 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.520 She is making shit happen. One thing. 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.799 As the producer, I will say Janet is a producer's 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:35.479 dream because she stands on her own truth. She moves 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.680 story along, and she gives no fucks how she looks 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:39.920 as long as the camera's on her. 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.039 Okay, But Carlos, this is why you're perfect for This 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:45.440 is what my curiosity and I think this puts the 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.240 fans in this driver's seat where we're kind of swept 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.360 up in the story, but we are now in twenty 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.560 twenty five thinking about production and how you actually make 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:55.200 these things. 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:57.160 Is that Janet for the. 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:00.600 Most part, is universally disliked by the Brav fan base, 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.159 even me and you. I'm like, I can see what 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.719 she's doing. I can see some positive stuff. It is 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.680 moving story along. But what is that like when you're 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.320 dealing with a cast member that you know is universally 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.359 disliked and you're giving them the hot potato. How do 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:16.240 you encourage them or keep them in the game or 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.839 is it just their own ego that keeps themselves in 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.400 the game because they've always wanted this and they don't 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:22.280 care how they get it. 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.440 No, that's a really good question, you have to balance 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:27.320 them out. 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.640 It's sort of like my study as it is a 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.480 libra you know, it's all about the tipping scales of balance, 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.080 and us libras try our best to be a balance 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:40.520 human being and we fell miserably at that, but we 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.120 do shout out to my libra range drops. But what 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:48.560 I will say is you have to balance someone out. 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:51.320 So obviously, when I worked on Atlanta Housewives in Jersey, 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:57.880 Kenya Moore and Danielle stob right to two totally different women, 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:00.599 it's something. They're there their place on this on their 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:06.360 respective shows, but are called a villain by the Bravo audience. 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:10.320 So you always try to find your best to show 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:14.520 the softer side of them, like the Sharman tissue. Let's 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:15.760 see the softer side of you. 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:17.880 So like next episode, we're gonna get a scene with 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.120 Janet and her baby potentially. 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:23.080 Right, yes, yes, yes, you want to be The thing 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:25.960 is this Janet doesn't mind doing her job, and her 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.800 job is and this is when I say job, not 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:33.040 that she's being a character. We all have our different 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:36.920 personality traits. That's true to us, right, So when I 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:41.280 say her job, she knows that her personality is. She 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.920 likes to be nosy, she likes to say what it is, 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.600 and yes, she has the propensity to understand that. 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:50.600 I know how TV works. 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:54.200 I'm a fan of it, but when you're producing someone 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.840 like Janet, you do have to rull her back sometime to. 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:00.680 Say, look, be messy on you want to we love 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:01.120 it here. 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:05.880 However, let's balance you out because you don't want a 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:09.520 Janet to quit the show because then it's sort of 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:13.000 like Jackson rehaff So, who the fuck do we have 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:14.520 to start the pot? 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:16.880 Well, I mean that's like the big question even in 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.440 this episode, because we have the first appearance of Lala. 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.080 She know, we had an appearance of last week on 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:25.280 the hike with Michelle, but you know, Lala has her 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.640 scene with Jesse, and you know, my thought is is 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.840 this always planned or were they not scrambling? But like, 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.440 let's do plan B. Now that Jacks is gone for 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:39.199 seven episodes, let's try to protect this cast with additions, 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.760 even though it does in my personal opinion, it does 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:43.440 not need this like Lala. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:45.760 I mean that's like a that's giving. 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.080 Like an easy hit to Lala, Like, oh, say something 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:51.520 crappy about Jesse. You can talk about narcissism and walk off, 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.160 and then Sheena, you know, jumps into the scene like 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.480 classic Sheena. But does it really need that? And and 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:59.560 why do they throw those things in? Was it because 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:00.960 of Jack's Was that always the plan? 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.640 Great question. I think it's a little bit of both. Right. 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:08.600 What I'm starting to see is is this number one. 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:10.360 We all know that at the end of the day, 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:16.280 rain Drops the Valley is the quiet spinoff of Vanda 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:19.040 Pump Rules. It's sort of the thing that no one 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.840 wants to really talk about. It's a marketing. 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:25.480 Yeah yeah, well, I mean why do you why do 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.320 you think it's quiet? I mean because for me, I 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.319 just call it like vander Pump Junior, you know. 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.920 Because people got fired for misbehaving. 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.880 Oh yeah, this is like vander Pump with knee problems, 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.800 like as you get older, this is what happens, you know. 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:40.640 But I totally I totally get that. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I think that's the reason why 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.720 it's like this quiet spinoff, although we kind of know 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.160 what it is. So to answer your question when it 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.920 comes to La La number one, I agree with you. 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.640 I don't think we need Laala, and I'm a fan 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.400 of Laala I think the reason why she was brought back. Yes, 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:00.120 when it comes to Jack's you sort of need that. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:00.960 That's spitfire. 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:02.360 That's number one. 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.560 Number two, you want a test to kind of see 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:10.360 the chemistry that a notable face has with this new 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:13.840 crop of people. That's number two and number three, which 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:18.040 to me is the most important. The way Bravo sort 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.680 of sees Housewives as like a soap opera where a 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:25.320 character leaves and in the world of soap opera, dies 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:28.280 off and then comes back to Like we're seeing that 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.360 for Paja Parks on Atlanta Housewives. You last saw her 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.960 season nine. She's back for season sixteen. There was a 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.120 seven year gap of no Fadra. Now that she's back, 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:42.480 everyone presumably is happy. So with La La, it's sort 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:46.360 of like, let's bring back these characters that the audience 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.240 familiar with. But I think the reason why we all 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:54.840 love the valley so much is because it's its own specialness. 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:58.000 And when I see La La La La to me 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:02.000 will always be bound the plumb rules. Kristin to me, 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:06.360 And when I say this here met guys, Kristin to 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.760 me fits way more on this show than band the 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:14.000 pump rules because she fits this world and to me 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:15.480 on Banda Pump. 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:24.560 Rules La La Arianna Sheena, they fit that world of 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:28.360 like we were Bartender, we made a bigger Hollywood in 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:32.600 the entertainment industry, and here we are here us roar 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.880 where I think the Valley gives me very much suburban lifestyle. 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.640 Yeah, I mean don't like last episode they're moving into 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.240 their rental house, you know, in preparation of a family, 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.400 and that is very different than you know, a Jax 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.840 Taylor buying a home with Vander Pump money and then 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.360 you know, obviously you know, not paying the bills for 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.960 three months because he's living beyond its means. You know, 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:56.959 there's something so like earthy obviously about Dody where it's 0:11:57.040 --> 0:12:00.960 very valley related and not star driven where Lala, you're right, 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.120 Like I watched that premiere of the new season of 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.240 Real Housewives in Miami which comes out in a couple 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:05.600 of weeks, and. 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:06.120 I loved it. 0:12:06.320 --> 0:12:08.800 But they were like they're dressed up like superheroes the 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.160 whole time, Like they are so done up in every 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:13.680 scene and I loved it. But that's not the valley. 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.120 None of these people are done to the nines. I 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.200 love that, and I wouldn't even say it's aspirational, but 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.880 there is something recognizable about the valley that we. 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:24.559 Can relate to. 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:27.199 The only thing that I would say is the glaring 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.120 issue is that in no way can we call this 0:12:30.200 --> 0:12:33.120 truly a friend group. Like, you know, if you are 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:38.240 constantly talking mad you know, sahi t to everybody about 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.280 the person you should be having in the conversation with, 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.160 you would not hang out with that person eventually. So 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:46.280 it's like this thin tether that keeps all of these 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:50.040 people together. And that thin tether is just TV. It's 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.280 just the fact of commerce and TV. 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.200 No, it really is, it really, it really is. 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.200 And what they're going to have to figure out is 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.839 sort of like how they can make sense for the 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.240 show to last multiple seasons with exacting. 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:05.560 That they're real friends. 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:07.640 Because again, that's the reason why I've had the pot 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:11.120 rules have to be recast, because it was it was 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:14.240 glaringly obvious that they just weren't friends. I want to 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.280 get into what you mentioned about Jackson not paying the 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:18.520 mortgage for three months. 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:26.120 Classic Jacks, by the way, classic Jacks. Well, Jackson is dangerous. Yes, 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:33.640 a month, three months, and Brittany was paying for the 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.600 airbnb rental on top of that, and then in this 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:40.360 episode he just slides it out there to Brittany that 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.720 he assigned a lease on a new place right next 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.800 to Tom Schwartz like and having not still paid the 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.000 rent on the actual property that they own. 0:13:49.960 --> 0:14:04.280 Child, we are just getting started. This is reality with 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:07.760 the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:14.079 the show. To my female listeners, if I didn't learn 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:18.960 one thing from Teresa Judais going to prison, if you 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.880 read every document your husband putting in front of you 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.920 to sign, that's number one, but number two, know what 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.440 the fuck your husband's doing. You need to listen. I 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.200 want to see the castle check. I want to be 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.000 able to log in if you're paying a mortgage in 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:38.040 twenty twenty five, there's a website that you log into. 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.360 Carlo by Carlos here. 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:43.640 I think at this point, if something happens, we know 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.440 that Brittany and Jackson will get a full pardon. I 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.840 think with recent events, so I think they're safe. I 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.320 think they're safe. I think that's a good third season 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.400 of the Valley. Jackson Brittany get a full pardon for 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.800 any financial misdeeds. But no, you're right, it is shocking 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:02.520 that they live such public lives and then you realize 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.360 that their private lives are disastrous in some ways, but 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:08.520 also just the financial aspect of it, which is somewhat 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.520 aspirational to all of us of like, oh wow, they 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.920 can buy cool things. Is that is just full of 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.400 smoke as well. It's all smoke and mirrors, and that 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:19.360 to me is fascinating to watch the dissolution of even 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.800 though it's really painful to think about their reality. 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.800 No, it's really painful, but it's such an asshole thing 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.440 of Jacks because at the end of the day, this 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.440 is the mother of your child. 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:34.280 So to risk your child being homeless. 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:39.160 Meanwhile, you have enough money to sign a lease to 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:43.920 live next door to Tom Schwartz, who isn't the babysitter, 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.640 do you know what I mean? So to need cops 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:48.760 decision is horrible. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.680 We need to siphon off all of Jackson's Cameo money 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.480 right to Brittany. It should go well, we should contact Cameo, 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:56.080 but it like I don't. 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.000 That's the thing. And even Jesse brings. 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:00.760 Us up to a degree too of like the daughter 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.600 or the son and these things, and it makes for good. 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.040 Clips but I'm like, where is the action. 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:08.440 Jackson will talk till he's blue in the face of 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.240 like I do I'm doing this for my son. I'm 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.240 doing this for my kid, and then when it comes 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.720 down to it, he doesn't do any of the things 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.720 that he knows would be good for his family and 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:21.280 to put his son above himself, and that never happens. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.200 I mean, we've lived since twenty thirteen with the character 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:27.920 of Jax Taylor. He has not really changed that much 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:31.000 except he has new like buzzwords to speak about, and 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.120 he's able to use therapy as a protection. 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:33.520 Now. 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:35.480 You know, even in the after show, which, by the way, 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:38.280 the Valley After Show, I so recommend on Peacock. It's 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.920 like thirty minutes each week, but they speak and give 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.160 it more context, and he's like, yeah, I picked a 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.720 park to have that hard conversation with Brittany, and I 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.880 brought my therapist along so you know, they could back 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:51.040 me up in what I was doing with moving out. 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:53.960 I want to know what facility this man has gone to, 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.840 because it sounds so lax. He's able to go back home, 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.840 fiddle with the cameras to watch Brittany, He's able to 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:03.480 be on his phone the entire time. I don't know 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:05.439 a lot about the mental health industry in terms of 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:08.240 like rehab, but like it sounds like it's really loose. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:09.120 Well that's the thing. 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.840 So apparently it's not even a rehab because in real 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.080 rehab you can't leave the premises for a certain amount 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:20.720 of days minimumly thirty. So it's I agree with you, 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.919 it's it's I don't understand the facility he's in. I 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.080 don't understand why he's able to go to a park 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.400 and with his therapist and see his kids and they 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.879 have to go back to the to the rehab station, 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.520 but also am able to mess with the cameras he's 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:39.120 watching Brittany, telling her I know what you're wearing. It's 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:44.120 it's super gross and super controlling in how he's treating Brittany. 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.800 And I know Brittany isn't the favorite of the show, 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:51.399 but no woman deserves to be to succumb to that 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:56.080 sort of mental abuse that he's displaying with her by 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.520 telling her I'm watching you, I'm not paying the mortgage 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:01.320 and Beth bah blah. 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:02.040 Well that's I mean. 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:03.800 That's the other thing is that the audience then goes 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:07.000 into production mode of like, how does a producer determine 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.439 when it's too far? Like obviously they helped or forced 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.840 him into this facility in the first place, you know, 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:14.080 because they were filming with him. 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:15.200 It went too far. 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.560 But when somebody is doing this many things like where 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:20.480 is the point where it does cross this. 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:24.520 Line of like we can't work with you. These are threats, even. 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.679 Though you're saying they are not, it does get to 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:30.879 a scary place. Like last episode Lala and the after 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.000 show or no, maybe it was Lalla's podcast or something 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:35.760 was saying listen, I told Brittany to get out of 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.000 there because I thought she was gonna get hurt if 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:39.960 she didn't. And I was like, now we're talking or 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:41.600 insinuating physical violence. 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:42.560 You know. 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.919 In twenty twenty five, reality shows, as you know, have 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:49.600 changed so much in terms of like what behavior actually 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.760 is acceptable. And I think a lot of behavior obviously 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.719 is still acceptable. But where as a producer, I mean, 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:57.399 we've seen it with James Kennedy, We've seen it with 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.960 all of these people. Where do you draw that line 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.280 and still worry about the overall health of the show. 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:03.560 Well, that's the thing. 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:05.960 I think it's something where Brittany has to say out 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:09.040 loud to them she feels unsafe, right because at the 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:11.600 end of the day, they're not paying for the house 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:11.880 we need. 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:16.880 The production is Brittany's house. It's her situation. 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:21.800 So if she feels unsafe in her own home, the 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:23.280 only thing a production can do. 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.200 And I'm not a lawyer, but I just base his office. 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.640 Being a producer is sort of making sure the crew 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.439 is not in the house, making sure she has resources 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.720 to live other places, if you know what I mean. 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:38.160 But first thing first, she has. 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.920 To vocalize it, because you don't want to step into 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:45.399 someone's reality and alter it, because God forbid, if you 0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:49.440 do that, something else could happen. And it's because you 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:56.240 remove somebody from their normal behavior and you're placing them 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:58.480 in the hands of something else where. They didn't ask 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:00.680 for you to do that, so it is very tricky. 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:04.240