Speaker 1: Forever. Look man, oh I see you? Why bow and
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, let's
Speaker 1: ding dong lost calling. I have some stuff to get
Speaker 1: back to you, okay me specifically. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: love that you were late for our last episode. And
Speaker 1: I said, I'll get you back, and now I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get you back, get me back. Here we go. So
Speaker 1: here's I have just for the reader. I want to
Speaker 1: let everyone know. Bowen texted me because his parents were
Speaker 1: coming into towns. His parents are famously you know, his parents,
Speaker 1: and he said, I have to get rid of all
Speaker 1: my game materials. And I said, okay, I'll be a
Speaker 1: true friend to you and you can come over and
Speaker 1: you can give me your game materials. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to give them back to you right now in a
Speaker 1: in a rainbow lined zipper. I got this at l
Speaker 1: A Pride. It is a you know, nicely sized Jim
Speaker 1: with L A Pride all over it and rainbow strap. Everyone.
Speaker 1: We have cake Boy magazine stuff. Had to come to
Speaker 1: my apartment because Bowen was you were nervous about your
Speaker 1: parents seeing this? Um No, I wasn't. I'm not nervous
Speaker 1: about the conversation. But like my mom was very intent
Speaker 1: on cleaning the doing a deep clean of my new
Speaker 1: apartment and for her, like she was going to stumble
Speaker 1: on all this like aggressively queer gay. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pass this around. So these materials are they're they're pretty
Speaker 1: aggressively gay. This magazine cake boy, cake boy, Yeah, San Santiago, wonderful,
Speaker 1: and give you all of these back. And then there's
Speaker 1: this little wicker basket full of full of fallacy of
Speaker 1: your fallast toys. And now here's the thing. I was
Speaker 1: actually being a really I was being very respectful of
Speaker 1: you and not going through them. And then I decided
Speaker 1: to stop being respectful of you. I went through that.
Speaker 1: I don't mind that you went through them. But then
Speaker 1: there's one levent bow tie. What is this? That's from mom,
Speaker 1: that's from Golden Globes when I wanted to buy a
Speaker 1: tide that that matched to my my blazer. So it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily sexual. Not not you thought it was. You
Speaker 1: thought this this fancy bot type of sectional. I thought,
Speaker 1: this is like some role places. That's okay, bo type
Speaker 1: fun narrative. Our guests loves this. That's a funny narrative.
Speaker 1: I love that sometimes I'm gonna have sex with the
Speaker 1: bow tie on one day. I think you should. Actually
Speaker 1: you should too. I actually got a chub thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Whoa about you having sex at the bowt tire about
Speaker 1: me having sex at the boat time. I don't know
Speaker 1: just about in general. Now I'm scared to touch any
Speaker 1: of this, and I haven't. Well, they're all I may,
Speaker 1: I always, always, always, whenever I store that those things
Speaker 1: the way, I always clean deep deep deep clean. Well,
Speaker 1: that's good. And soap and water is fine. Soap and
Speaker 1: water is fine. That's what I was told by by
Speaker 1: the worker reader. Soap and water is water. So we've
Speaker 1: got four different kind of kind of girths and size
Speaker 1: of One of them is a trainer that this one.
Speaker 1: That one's the trainer. This is a trainer that, yes,
Speaker 1: which I think is super manageable and super helpful. This
Speaker 1: one's fun. I think I've seen you perform with this
Speaker 1: well one show. I bought most of these. We did
Speaker 1: Queer Slive at Joe's Pup. I saying I can hear
Speaker 1: the bells, and I sang it to I directed it
Speaker 1: to instead of Zach Effron, instead of Link. I directed
Speaker 1: it to a dildo was me sort of partnering, singing
Speaker 1: about my love and intimacy with these toys. This one
Speaker 1: is so big. I haven't I haven't been able to
Speaker 1: crack that one. Literally, yeah, I mean this is this
Speaker 1: is oh my god, anyway, this is this is too much.
Speaker 1: It's not too much? Well, okay, all right, so too
Speaker 1: much for you? It's not too much for me? Is
Speaker 1: it too much for I? Guess no. She she's enjoying it.
Speaker 1: She's understands the culture. She can't be squeamish. But I
Speaker 1: have in my hands that is a douche bald. Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: so you know. But but now, but now, the whole
Speaker 1: now this, the whole community has gone behind this idea
Speaker 1: that too much douching is bad, right, I think it
Speaker 1: can can ruin the place it tenderizes the tissue there
Speaker 1: too much so that we're going to thank you for
Speaker 1: giving this back to me. And then and then there's
Speaker 1: some prints of these like fun little um, you know,
Speaker 1: vintage book covers. I kind of love Mr Queen. And
Speaker 1: then that's well, then that's some covering up something else
Speaker 1: behind the glass. What's behind the glass is a born gay,
Speaker 1: born to be gay by J x Williams. I mean,
Speaker 1: these can't be real books. Fear drove this, fear drove
Speaker 1: him into the third sex shadow world. Yeah, but all
Speaker 1: the men are really handsome, but men are hands them.
Speaker 1: I mean one of them has a fucking knife out.
Speaker 1: What is it like? There's that's true. I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of this sort of like, you know, he's
Speaker 1: got a knife out, so he's giving you masculinity, but
Speaker 1: he's also giving you a face that's like like he
Speaker 1: is extraordinarily gay. We'll post pictures of the pictures of this,
Speaker 1: but it's like it's like like it seems like the
Speaker 1: narrative is that he's like at the Navy for Born
Speaker 1: to Be Gay with the man with the knife out,
Speaker 1: under that these two are going to hook out, these
Speaker 1: two are gonna look up. But born to be Gay.
Speaker 1: The cover of that is a man being chased, a
Speaker 1: man in a blazer being chased by three blue collar
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Navy yard types from way back in the day
Speaker 1: when that was like the spot and so that I
Speaker 1: think that's the narrative there. What do you know what
Speaker 1: it's it's historical accuracy and I don't I don't mind
Speaker 1: that at all. Do you want the bag, I would
Speaker 1: I can take the bag in the bag because also
Speaker 1: not for nothing, but you're going to be going to
Speaker 1: the I've seen pictures of you because I'm on your
Speaker 1: close friends on Instagram, and I've been posting a lot
Speaker 1: been up in the gym and she looks good. I've
Speaker 1: been posting a lot of a lot of slutty little
Speaker 1: little thirst traps. And I live so close to my gym.
Speaker 1: I can just walk in there and my little my
Speaker 1: little shroud, and she's been looking at too. This is
Speaker 1: what I've been talking This is what I want to
Speaker 1: talk about up top really quickly. On our our last guest,
Speaker 1: Katie youth Ashcraft just left and we got on the
Speaker 1: topic about um, you never forget your first guy to
Speaker 1: party with a guitar? Yes, thank you for bringing this.
Speaker 1: Who was your mind? Was? Okay? Well, I'm sorry I
Speaker 1: rhetorically asked you who yours? But I'm interested in my answer.
Speaker 1: Do you want to help? But I just really quickly
Speaker 1: want to get mine out. Jason Lucas. Jason Lucas, he
Speaker 1: was very much like a zac Efron high school musical narrative.
Speaker 1: There was there was that narrative behind where he was
Speaker 1: on the lacrosse team, and our musical theater director had
Speaker 1: to convince him to be the lead in Crazy for
Speaker 1: You the Gershwin juke Box had to be convinced and
Speaker 1: it was this big moment where he's like, yes, I'll
Speaker 1: do it. He crossed over into the into the grubby
Speaker 1: theater world of our high school and then was great.
Speaker 1: And now he's um. Now he's a photographer. I love
Speaker 1: that he's lovely happy that he found an artistic pursuit. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and but that he was in that theater teacher is
Speaker 1: to thank short miss Wood now. But we we've talked
Speaker 1: at length about how we don't we dislike her. But
Speaker 1: Jason was the heart throb at the school. His whole
Speaker 1: thing was Jason Mraz's songs. Yes, so it was obsessed
Speaker 1: with Jason Raz and that was a little trouble. This
Speaker 1: reminds me I wish that the guitar boy in our
Speaker 1: high school who was my friend's name was Trevor Lacarross.
Speaker 1: I wish he was into Jason Urras because that would
Speaker 1: have been like applicable to me. You would have lashed
Speaker 1: onto it. Yeah, he played a lot of like fish
Speaker 1: current thing and then one time at a cross country party,
Speaker 1: he started to play Kelly clarkson since You've Been Gone,
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, let me just turn my
Speaker 1: because I had been wanting to masturbate to him, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like he had all the tools
Speaker 1: and I was like, please just like crossover with one
Speaker 1: of my interests. And then it was such a bad
Speaker 1: rendition of since You've Been Gone that I was like,
Speaker 1: here's the thing about these guitar guys. It's like they
Speaker 1: whip out the guitar and you're like, okay, cool, I'll
Speaker 1: entertain this, and then every audition is bad. These guys
Speaker 1: aren't musicians. They just have a guitar. Sure, sure, sure,
Speaker 1: So sorry Trevor, Sorry Trevor. You can you can you master?
Speaker 1: You match it to him? Once I did a lot, Okay,
Speaker 1: there you go. I was gonna say, your imagination can
Speaker 1: fill in the gaps and you can imagine him doing
Speaker 1: a good rendition of since You've been Gone. God, my
Speaker 1: taste she hasn't changed. Um. So here's the thing about
Speaker 1: our guests has the best taste truly. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm working with her now and I know and I
Speaker 1: was every day is every day is a beautiful, beautiful lesson.
Speaker 1: Every day is a beautiful glimpse into like a true
Speaker 1: great mind I think God. I mean, okay, quick, quick credits,
Speaker 1: right down, difficult people, um fucking creators, star writer. Uh
Speaker 1: and how is your week? Podcasting pioneer, I would say,
Speaker 1: and then, um, you know, wrote some of I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna bring this up because I think it's truly one
Speaker 1: of my favorite and Chris especially one of my favorite
Speaker 1: Christmas l sketches, which is Christmas Time for the Jews claimation.
Speaker 1: They had to They shot that like in the summer,
Speaker 1: like months before Claymation, especially Real Culture number forty four claimation.
Speaker 1: Um hello, I just I just love our guests so so,
Speaker 1: so so much. Um and so please welcome into your ears, Julie,
Speaker 1: so excited to be here. Did you deal with a
Speaker 1: lot of like guys with guitars in your life? I
Speaker 1: feel like they would love to impress you with. I
Speaker 1: went to one drama club party. It was when I
Speaker 1: frenched for the first time. We all watched Heathers and yeah,
Speaker 1: there was some acoustic, but it was very pre you know, generationally,
Speaker 1: like pre morazz. Yeah, I mean, what are we getting
Speaker 1: at that time, like someone's swipping out a guitar. They're
Speaker 1: playing like, oh you know what then yeah, Tom Tom
Speaker 1: Chapin like all my life's circle, like that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Very crunchy and gray, crunchy and great. Now where did
Speaker 1: you fall into the drama club cast systems? She didn't
Speaker 1: get the leads? So I dropped at a media Yeah,
Speaker 1: whatever you for like knowing to get out of Oh
Speaker 1: I mean Jordan Peele get out? Yeah? Was this okay?
Speaker 1: Walk me through scars Yale? Okay, scars Dale drama club?
Speaker 1: What is what is that? What is that? I'm so
Speaker 1: I'm so endlessly fascinated with that specific social thing. Guys
Speaker 1: with Fedora's and like long dish hair. Yeah, and a
Speaker 1: lot of fish like you were mentioning a lot of
Speaker 1: birken Stocks, a lot of SUVs with like grateful dead
Speaker 1: bears on that. I don't hate Hackey Stacks on the
Speaker 1: leader activity. I don't hate frisbee. They loved frisbee or
Speaker 1: they called it ultimate ultimate ultimate, Yeah, because I think
Speaker 1: ultimate frisbee. But this's what some people would call even
Speaker 1: a sport. But then you actually drop the name of
Speaker 1: the thing. Yeah, I mean, I mean that's beautiful. But okay,
Speaker 1: but this does not because we've talked a lot about
Speaker 1: your Long Island High School, you know, flavor, and that
Speaker 1: never appealed to me. This all sounds good to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a little bit more polished. It's a little bit um,
Speaker 1: I guess more Ethan Allen and like less west Olm.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know that it's actually accurate. That's accurate.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe crate and barrel, even crate and
Speaker 1: barrel is like a little like I think blooming deals
Speaker 1: are sacks, like like the department stoes of the o
Speaker 1: G Like they're like the you know, the father's son,
Speaker 1: the holy goes right? Well, can I try went out?
Speaker 1: Scars Dale is Ethan Allen and Long Island is Jennifer Convertiable.
Speaker 1: Depends on which part of Long Island, so I from
Speaker 1: South Jennifer. Absolutely. This reminds me of of a Cole
Speaker 1: of school all the character named Jennifer Convertible, and he
Speaker 1: has a line of script where, um, he solves a murder,
Speaker 1: solves a crime or something, and then some and then someone,
Speaker 1: and then he he has someone in the audience read
Speaker 1: opposite him, and then the line is but Jennifer, how
Speaker 1: did you figure it out? And then he ends up
Speaker 1: with um. He works for Ikea Robert, so I put
Speaker 1: the pieces together myself. And also, of course the villain
Speaker 1: in that story is a woman named Ikea. Oh is it? Yes?
Speaker 1: Why don't know? My cold school is brilliant? I mean, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: discus like talented favorite people in the world. Really understands
Speaker 1: why women are funny, like how women are funny and
Speaker 1: broken women like this the specificities of like the springs
Speaker 1: that are losing the cogs I mean, And he combines
Speaker 1: that with really understanding like how you know bad writing
Speaker 1: can be really funny good bad writing, or just knowing
Speaker 1: all the tropes but also knowing people and right right,
Speaker 1: he's so fabulous. The apex for me has to be
Speaker 1: the sunny d called happy happy Orange. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just like that piece to me is he's great at
Speaker 1: Mom's great at mom Mom. But the example of like
Speaker 1: bad writing made good for me at the moment that
Speaker 1: sticks out for me is and we can get off,
Speaker 1: we can stop talking about um. But his um he
Speaker 1: sometimes he will open sometimes for for a while, he
Speaker 1: would open up his character sets with a light stand
Speaker 1: up and he'd be like, so I was just in
Speaker 1: Europe and um, the only thing Europeans hate more than
Speaker 1: Trump is having sex with a ma. It's like, it's
Speaker 1: it's like such a nice, such a dumb funny joke
Speaker 1: is called he is called anyway, Julie, how's your summer going?
Speaker 1: It's horrible. I desguise it everything, but you you, what's
Speaker 1: the what's like the what's the what's your escape that
Speaker 1: I have? None? Film and film and television and food?
Speaker 1: But yeah, the humanity, I mean it's boring. You can't talk.
Speaker 1: The thing is like all you can talk about is
Speaker 1: the weather because it's like unimportually bad, and then you
Speaker 1: feel like boring for talking about it. But it's like, no,
Speaker 1: we have to call out a crisis and we all
Speaker 1: had swine flu, we'd be talking about it like everyone's sick,
Speaker 1: unless you're I don't know, yeah, unless you're not interested
Speaker 1: in the people that are like it's summer baby, like
Speaker 1: what I don't know what they're like somebody, So I
Speaker 1: think Lewis Vertell Snideley Ones tweeted like wait, Louis vere
Speaker 1: Snidey tweeted but like one time tweeted like um, like
Speaker 1: it's the something to the effect of like boring people
Speaker 1: say summer sucks, and like like, why would you prefer fall?
Speaker 1: I was like, this is clearly someone that's never spent
Speaker 1: time in the New York. It's like it is uninhabitable here,
Speaker 1: and you live in Los Angeles, bitch. So it's like
Speaker 1: I just wanted to mention that I think Louis Bertel
Speaker 1: is a true wit. I'm in awe of his and
Speaker 1: his turn of phrase, and yeah, I didn't want to
Speaker 1: just be snarky. No, no, not give him the props. No,
Speaker 1: he's he's brilliant God Cole. And now Lewis, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: should I stop mentioning? It's going to become a supportive
Speaker 1: I can't fucking leave this. I will say this one
Speaker 1: of the fastest people I've ever met, Lewis. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: like truly, like like it'll just happen. And it's just
Speaker 1: like that was like a perfect joke, and it's just
Speaker 1: it just happens out of nowhere. Rights rights, but but
Speaker 1: phil human being, I mean, nasty, dirty, met everywhere. Perfect.
Speaker 1: I love gay Man, your favorite game man go, my
Speaker 1: friend Nate, my best friend name. He was in town
Speaker 1: for Bear week last week and he was squid fishing
Speaker 1: and he got inked, and he sent a photo of
Speaker 1: his face with all this like black, it looks like
Speaker 1: black Jis it looks like it looks like the Baba
Speaker 1: dude came on his face. Yeah. I love that. No,
Speaker 1: he's the best, So he's the number one. I love him. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I haven't performed there, but I've spent time
Speaker 1: there and it's so fun and I really do love it,
Speaker 1: and I know it's like I just can't be like
Speaker 1: snark your snide about it. It's just such a special,
Speaker 1: magical place. You and John water Is both like have
Speaker 1: this genuine unadulterated have you not? Have you not connected
Speaker 1: with it or not been? I just haven't been. We
Speaker 1: actually have not been. I've been. I've been to. I've
Speaker 1: been to include Fire Island and Palm Springs, and like
Speaker 1: I feel like I have to complete the triumvirt of
Speaker 1: like you have to do a show there, you would
Speaker 1: be a hit. I mean some of the comedy shows
Speaker 1: there are like Dina Martinez amazing and like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you should definitely do that for next summer. I always
Speaker 1: love what they have, like runs of like I think
Speaker 1: it's it's great, you love it. Yeah, And I also like,
Speaker 1: we went to Disney World a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: and if Mazzoni, our friend, looks around, he's like, it's
Speaker 1: like Pete Town here on Mainstream USA. I'm like, do
Speaker 1: you remember that? We were very high that when we
Speaker 1: were He was like, it's like Pete Town here on
Speaker 1: like main Street USA and Disney World. Amazing, But hey,
Speaker 1: what's this? Can we can we can? We can? We
Speaker 1: clock this on the pod, this New York dermatology group
Speaker 1: water Pottle. I'm not giving you guys a selfie today
Speaker 1: because I got like a chemical peel. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to do a selfie with you tomorrow at work in
Speaker 1: the most photoshop you can find, the most flattering, but
Speaker 1: not that you flattering. Yeah, um, but yeah, I got
Speaker 1: um yeah. A little bit of this, a little bit
Speaker 1: of that, a little bit of dogs, little bit cats,
Speaker 1: a little dance, little seltzer down your pants. Wait, speaking
Speaker 1: of cats, I think because did you guys talk about
Speaker 1: the trailer? Yes, we must know. We've been talking about
Speaker 1: cats as a recurring theme on the show for like
Speaker 1: the past year and a half. It's bizarre because on
Speaker 1: this show is just like randomly, guess we're always have
Speaker 1: an Anne. It's about cats, and it's like what is
Speaker 1: going on? And now I'm realizing like neither of us
Speaker 1: have ever seen it and we've never seen it. Have
Speaker 1: you seen it on? Like? I love it? So talk
Speaker 1: us three your first impressions, your with one of my
Speaker 1: earliest the trailer. I just want to say about the show,
Speaker 1: like it was one of my earliest memories. Like I
Speaker 1: remember my mother leaving me at pre school and I
Speaker 1: remember being in the audience. I was probably five. I
Speaker 1: was five because I remember it was my birthday and
Speaker 1: like I think it opened an eighty two was five
Speaker 1: and eighty three. So I remember being in like one
Speaker 1: of the first few rows and having you know, the
Speaker 1: actresses like actors come out from the background. How hasn
Speaker 1: they interact with you? And one of the you know says,
Speaker 1: oh no, that would be a different you know, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: They have those huge dance bells, which always intimidated and
Speaker 1: intrigued me as you lady watching the Nutcracker. But in
Speaker 1: in the my first performance Cats, like that, this actress
Speaker 1: came over and like she touched my arm, stroked my arm,
Speaker 1: and I looked down and I saw she was wearing
Speaker 1: a fingerless glove and she had chipped orange fingernails. And
Speaker 1: I remember thinking, oh my god, that's a real person
Speaker 1: and she's a really cool chick. He reminds me of
Speaker 1: my cool babysitter Dana. And I just remember thinking, this
Speaker 1: is the best night of my life. I just was thrilled,
Speaker 1: beyond compared. And did you feel like at that time
Speaker 1: you can follow like a story or like you know
Speaker 1: what was happening or is it kind of just like
Speaker 1: the spectacle of it all? And it's like we're watching cats.
Speaker 1: The great news is that cats has no Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just cats singing about other cats. So what will they
Speaker 1: do with the movie? That's Oh boy, what are your
Speaker 1: impressions on the trailer that is cat? It's it's shocking,
Speaker 1: like there's I mean, it's one of those it's like
Speaker 1: it's like Trump. It's like it's not even funny, like
Speaker 1: Trump would be great for comedy. How you're like, just
Speaker 1: let me stop bleeding, get me out of And that
Speaker 1: was what the trailer was to me. I was my
Speaker 1: jaw dropped. I was just I was just horrified right away,
Speaker 1: and like it only got worse. I mean as it went,
Speaker 1: it did get worse. But I will say this, you
Speaker 1: will see it opening night if I didn't get invited
Speaker 1: to the premiere, which I probably won't. You know, well,
Speaker 1: let's campaign. Let's start the campaign here and now is
Speaker 1: to get Julie. Like all of my advice now came
Speaker 1: from like Facebook groups like yeah strong strong for Julia
Speaker 1: to be invited to like you know, like the season
Speaker 1: two premiere of Los's Spookies, like previously attainable. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think my favorite thing about the trailer is pretending we
Speaker 1: live in a world where like Jennifer Hudson is older
Speaker 1: than oh, it's like Jennifer Hudson is Grizabella. And also
Speaker 1: here I'll say this, I'll bravely say this. With the
Speaker 1: performance of memory that I heard in that trailer, I
Speaker 1: hope it's one of those situations where it's like, that's
Speaker 1: not the performance because I wasn't feeling that local. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just so far. I'm still like digesting it.
Speaker 1: I can't even like separate the elements yet. I remember
Speaker 1: you actually tweeted about it and you were like, leave
Speaker 1: me alone right now. I was like, just like, please
Speaker 1: respect my privacy still digesting, and I mean it's just,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know what to say. I
Speaker 1: just I have these feelings it might be an ad
Speaker 1: for the Lion King. Honestly, I cats are having a moment.
Speaker 1: Big cats, small cats, cats, human sized cats, scale like cats.
Speaker 1: That was like the wrong scale. There's no way that
Speaker 1: those celebrities knew it was going to end up looking
Speaker 1: like that, right, I don't like. They probably showed up,
Speaker 1: got into the green unitards with the ping pong attached,
Speaker 1: did their part, and then said all right, see you
Speaker 1: at the premiere. And it would be amazing because that
Speaker 1: guy did lay miss where he was obsessed with, like
Speaker 1: live saying remember that was like real, it was like
Speaker 1: looking and they said all right, see later. And when
Speaker 1: that trailer dropped, I just picture Taylor Swift with her
Speaker 1: yogurt or whatever, being like, oh my god, because she
Speaker 1: is also sort of unrecognizable in the trailer, right, I
Speaker 1: didn't know that was her until they said it was her.
Speaker 1: And I know that there was a call that was
Speaker 1: like can you get my name off of the poster? Wow?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: feel like like if I'm one of the actors. I'm thinking, like, well,
Speaker 1: it's been like fully ten eleven years since Avatar, and
Speaker 1: Avatar looks like cool, I guess, so maybe they'll make
Speaker 1: this look cool like that. But it fully looks like
Speaker 1: like an Instagram filter where it's like, turn me into
Speaker 1: a cat. That's what it looks like. And let me
Speaker 1: just say, Avatar looked like ship the end. It looks
Speaker 1: like ship today, and cats looks like Avatar completely. I
Speaker 1: feel like what I guess? I guess. I feel like
Speaker 1: you would like totally animate it, right, but this is
Speaker 1: like that's Jennifer Hudson's face on an Instagram film Digital
Speaker 1: for technology, like they're like technology. The thing I'm excited
Speaker 1: about is at least it's a big swing and I
Speaker 1: love big swings and big flops. Not that it will
Speaker 1: flop financially. I don't know anything about that world clearly,
Speaker 1: but like I just that like it's a it'll be
Speaker 1: a phenomenon, and yes, and that's exciting because no one
Speaker 1: wants like a you know, a quiff in the wind,
Speaker 1: like you want like a big disaster, Like yeah, that's
Speaker 1: exactly right. It's always like like I was watching that
Speaker 1: documentary about Alan Carr, who produced the Academy Awards. You know,
Speaker 1: White and Rob Low in the opening, and that to
Speaker 1: me and you should watch is eleven minutes and it
Speaker 1: really is a crash and burn on this royal scale.
Speaker 1: And and those are really the spectacles that like Mark times. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's not fun if they take if things
Speaker 1: just barely happen exactly. Yeah. Like it's like I find
Speaker 1: that with a lot of these big movies that come
Speaker 1: out now, Like it's like they come out and then
Speaker 1: they're gone. It's like, give me a fucking moment. Remember,
Speaker 1: Like I remember when Disney would release a movie in
Speaker 1: the late nineties, Like I remember distinctly when Pocahona's came out.
Speaker 1: There was like a huge concert that was like Vanessa
Speaker 1: Williams singing in like an eight hundred foot gown and
Speaker 1: she sang Colors of the Wind and leaves flew around,
Speaker 1: and it was like, you know, I guess we're getting
Speaker 1: kind of close to it with like they they eventized
Speaker 1: lyon King a little bit and I just saw a
Speaker 1: lion king um, But it was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel like with these movies that there's so many
Speaker 1: teenpoles they just kind of happened and then they were gone,
Speaker 1: Like Spider Man Far from Home like happened and then
Speaker 1: it was gone. And that's because there's so much rights cycle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like just people stopped talking about something after a week,
Speaker 1: no matter what it is, which is like why I
Speaker 1: love these end of the year musicals. Like in the
Speaker 1: same way that you're saying, it's like Cats is already
Speaker 1: an event. Yeah, this is already a cultural event. And
Speaker 1: I was just saying in the last episode, like these
Speaker 1: women next to me, who, by the way, narrated the
Speaker 1: whole Lion King, which I would have it no other way. Um,
Speaker 1: they fully were like the trailer happened, and the one
Speaker 1: girl goes to the other, look what they have. Jennifer
Speaker 1: Hudson wearing watched this, and they watched it and they're
Speaker 1: cracking up laughing, and then they go, well, now we
Speaker 1: know what we're not going to see. And I turned
Speaker 1: to them and I said, You'll be there, I'll be there,
Speaker 1: We'll I'll be there, And then they started laughing because
Speaker 1: we all knew it was true. We're all going to
Speaker 1: see I love the you made friends at a movie theater. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean if they didn't want attention. That was then
Speaker 1: that was unclear because they wanted at that. I once
Speaker 1: sat next to British ladies at brunch and they said,
Speaker 1: these pancakes are mental. British people with the breakfast, I'll
Speaker 1: never forget mental. One time I was like sixteen, like
Speaker 1: working at in a seafood place and we served breakfast
Speaker 1: and these British people were like, do you have preserves?
Speaker 1: And I was like, the fuck is the preserve? Not
Speaker 1: knowing that could imagine to be like, well, I can't
Speaker 1: just have clotted cream on my shop. What do you?
Speaker 1: What do you mental? Preserves? You need? You both need
Speaker 1: to start watching Love Island. You both need to start watching.
Speaker 1: It's something that gets said to me a lot. It's
Speaker 1: phenomenal you are you a Bachelor person or I'm not,
Speaker 1: But I did watch. I did watch one season and
Speaker 1: I like the Bachelors. There's so many female characters the Bachelor.
Speaker 1: It is a nightmare, a nightmare, that's just I mean,
Speaker 1: are you iconically Julie is a is a housewife's person.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad, I mean, and I'm sorry, Like as
Speaker 1: as Vulture recappers me and Matt, I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like you set the model for like comedian recapper for
Speaker 1: for a TV But that was fun. That was fun.
Speaker 1: But um, I, but are you of in a proper
Speaker 1: roles person? I so this is gonna sound so snotty,
Speaker 1: and I feel bad for anyone I alienate by saying
Speaker 1: that after Trump won, I stopped watching any house any problem.
Speaker 1: I just get that. And I don't mean to be
Speaker 1: like judgment. I'm certainly not people that because I certainly did,
Speaker 1: but like, I just can't hang out. I can't watch
Speaker 1: and spend company with people that aren't very smart right now.
Speaker 1: It's just not just not funny to me right now,
Speaker 1: I hear you. And also there's something too, I think
Speaker 1: as honestly, like, yeah, that's that's so interesting because post
Speaker 1: the Trump thing is when I got into to it,
Speaker 1: and I think it's because I was like, it's fully
Speaker 1: escapism for me. It's like it's like a fully opposite absolutely,
Speaker 1: but you watch it now and all I can think
Speaker 1: about is Okay, Well, um, Luanne and Sonia clearly voted
Speaker 1: for Trump. Well they yea Ramona says she didn't vote,
Speaker 1: which to me, it was definitely Ramona and like Bethany,
Speaker 1: Bethany Dorenda, maybe Tinsley are like the only people who
Speaker 1: are let you know, okay, so this is what this is. Literally,
Speaker 1: Andy Cohen asked the question of them at this New
Speaker 1: York reunion and it was who voted for Hillary? Dorinda,
Speaker 1: Bethany and Carol, Carol Shildly raised their hands and then
Speaker 1: he goes, okay, so did you vote for Trump? And
Speaker 1: the rest of them wouldn't raise their hands. They were
Speaker 1: just like, we don't want to talk about it. And
Speaker 1: that was Luanne, Ramona and Sonya, which so reads. And
Speaker 1: then Tinsley was like, I didn't vote that. And they
Speaker 1: sent to Tinsley and they're like, you didn't vote. She
Speaker 1: was like yeah, and they were like where are you registered?
Speaker 1: And she's like, Florida. I thought she was gonna say, um,
Speaker 1: Harry Winston register, but she was like she literally was
Speaker 1: like I'm not a political person. And it was just
Speaker 1: this moment they started scoring it. Yeah I can't. I
Speaker 1: just can't do it anymore. And again like nothing but
Speaker 1: respect for Andy Ko and I think is just like
Speaker 1: a ringleader of a foth modern age. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: it just and it wasn't like a decision, It just
Speaker 1: was a switch in my brain. I you know, he
Speaker 1: wont and I started rewatching all these movies that I loved.
Speaker 1: You know. That's so at least again pushed you in
Speaker 1: that direction, which is well. And also like the movies
Speaker 1: that you've seen are my favorite kinds of movies. Like
Speaker 1: whenever I'm browsing on Netflix, I'm like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: a good category, and it's always like watch it again
Speaker 1: because you know how they end. And I to, you know,
Speaker 1: connect everything to the election. But there is some like
Speaker 1: you know, finite like taste based identity that you have
Speaker 1: to like marinate in a little flick your wounds. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, it actually that makes sense to me. And
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't know what about myself, but I
Speaker 1: think you're right. Like I will watch Clueless five thousand
Speaker 1: times a year because and I watched it with a
Speaker 1: bunch of like I watched it in Palm Springs. I
Speaker 1: was like a bunch of game and Lewis was there
Speaker 1: and we were all just reciting it as it was
Speaker 1: going and it was the most fun thing about the vacation.
Speaker 1: And people used to do that in church, you know.
Speaker 1: That's how and that's actually is my religion. And I
Speaker 1: am allowed to know and it's a good one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But knowing all the words and having that community and
Speaker 1: having something that you worship and that you have like
Speaker 1: comfort from me, it's a blessing. And also that movie
Speaker 1: is perfect, But that is that is not a this
Speaker 1: is not aneath. What Julia said about like needing like
Speaker 1: a taste centered identity in order to lick your rooms
Speaker 1: from this like traumatic world experience is like, that's this
Speaker 1: is a recent thing that I've been I've talked to
Speaker 1: you about this where I'm just like playing cultural catch
Speaker 1: up with like and like we're we're like Julian and
Speaker 1: I are in the room this room all the time,
Speaker 1: like talking about like old movies and the things that
Speaker 1: I have not seen, and it's like I need to know.
Speaker 1: It's an imperative that I'm making in my brain to
Speaker 1: watch and consume these things because it's a part of
Speaker 1: what like, yeah, it's a part of culture, but it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of part of what we all do is
Speaker 1: to like reference these things. It's also like, I mean
Speaker 1: gay men like you look at like Vito Russo, who
Speaker 1: like established the Cannon. He would have screenings on his
Speaker 1: roof of Betty Davis movies because it was very important
Speaker 1: to him that the gay community you know, got their
Speaker 1: you know, vegetables and went to school like it was
Speaker 1: just children. I forgot children, absolutely, And I just I
Speaker 1: think that there is something to cannon and you know,
Speaker 1: it's just's nice to have a you know, even though
Speaker 1: like everyone gay men like, it's fun to you know,
Speaker 1: insult each other like it is a real community and
Speaker 1: it is like culturally like that. You know, we have
Speaker 1: this great book club, the Secret book Club. I meanly said,
Speaker 1: like like any sort of like little drama that happens
Speaker 1: amongst the group of gay friends like in the grand
Speaker 1: scheme does not fucking matter. Like we would all kind
Speaker 1: of like have each other's backs anyway. And there is
Speaker 1: this kind of like language yes where lesbian lesbians World
Speaker 1: War three literally if not if lights aren't out of nine,
Speaker 1: we're fighting, we're fighting. But yeah, I know that is
Speaker 1: that is very true. Here's the question I have for everyone, Um,
Speaker 1: what is the one thing that you know you should
Speaker 1: have seen or like like that that you haven't as
Speaker 1: I know my I think I have. I have. I
Speaker 1: have many answers to this, but I have one that's
Speaker 1: that's informed by Julie. I think really because mine is
Speaker 1: bris Mary's baby, because I know how much love it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you are Ruth Gordon in that movie. Well, Ruth Gordon
Speaker 1: is so fabulous. But who who's the guy you? I
Speaker 1: think you've you've said that that he's like the top
Speaker 1: villain of all times. Yeah, we explain this again like
Speaker 1: he's just don't want to because okay, I'll you got
Speaker 1: to see it. She spits in his face at one
Speaker 1: point and it is like the only triumph unhappy ending.
Speaker 1: But when she does that, which is low. I mean
Speaker 1: you see people kick guys in the balls or slap them,
Speaker 1: but sitting in the face, in his face, and it
Speaker 1: is and he deserves. And also that Mia Pharaoh, the
Speaker 1: children have forgotten that they must remember because the fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is those performances, those horror performances. You
Speaker 1: have to respect that kind of thing, Like Tony Collette
Speaker 1: recently did it in Hereditary, where it's like the kind
Speaker 1: of how difficult it is to discover something that terrifies you.
Speaker 1: And after imagine being an actress reading a script and
Speaker 1: being like okay, cool and then like that that's not
Speaker 1: actual surprise on that screen, that is a tough thing
Speaker 1: to act. And Mia Pharaoh is in a state of constant, realistic,
Speaker 1: grounded disbelief and horror for such a long time, and
Speaker 1: that is a the children have forgotten the legendary performance
Speaker 1: and a survivor. Talk about a survivor. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: in real life as well and fragile, Yeah truly. But
Speaker 1: I'm my god an Hereditary. Yeah, you're right, Like just
Speaker 1: I imagine Tony Collett reading it in the scriptlet like
Speaker 1: she discovers that her daughter's beheaded and like that scream
Speaker 1: because you don't see it? Have you seen Hereditary? But
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, you're you're horror curious curious. I like
Speaker 1: to read yes horror movies on Wikipedia, but I can't
Speaker 1: actually want you see, I'm the same, and like even
Speaker 1: like the two trailer just came out and I know,
Speaker 1: I know it has like Jessica Chastain, who I would
Speaker 1: love to watch act in anything, and I know there's
Speaker 1: like a great trailer featuring her, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: can't scary. The trailer is horrible. Oh yeah, I saw it.
Speaker 1: I saw it, but I literally was buying I was
Speaker 1: buying food at the like Delhi on my corner the
Speaker 1: other day and the guy goes to me. He never
Speaker 1: speaks to me, he goes, yo, I just watched the
Speaker 1: too trailer and I was like, is it so scary?
Speaker 1: He was like, it's the scariest thing ever, and like
Speaker 1: we just like bonded over how we weren't going to
Speaker 1: see men that That only goes so far pop culture. Baby,
Speaker 1: but you must see Rosemary's Baby because you could turn
Speaker 1: a great Ruth Gordon. You could do some good Ruth
Speaker 1: Gordon Dragay. Rosemary's Baby is a good companion to the
Speaker 1: original Stepford Wives, not the origin, basically the original get
Speaker 1: out but with totally a genius, genius genius, and Katherine
Speaker 1: Ross is beautiful and she also gives a fabulous performance
Speaker 1: where you could see her the same thing with Tony Colette.
Speaker 1: You can see her like flutter and eyelash and you
Speaker 1: know play like the small moments, the little things that
Speaker 1: are like that are like wow, like that you have
Speaker 1: the rewinding but that is and the remake of it
Speaker 1: truly is like garbage. So don't remember being a little
Speaker 1: kid and well and watching and watching that movie and
Speaker 1: it's even watching the trailer. I remember seeing that trailer
Speaker 1: in theme and I was just like, I was like,
Speaker 1: it's Amazon, Amazon Prime. And in that moment of her,
Speaker 1: if you she'd be there that afternoon, that was that
Speaker 1: was get me out of my house. That was her
Speaker 1: like post the Rouge moment where she was like a
Speaker 1: mainstream star in a real way and she was taking
Speaker 1: jobs right. But I just it's this thing that we've
Speaker 1: talked about on the show lately where it's like as
Speaker 1: you're your kid, it's it imprints on you. You You know,
Speaker 1: you don't know why you're responding to it exactly separate wise,
Speaker 1: like there's something about this that I love. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that's but minus was Mary's baby, what's yours? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll get murdered, but it's the sound of music because
Speaker 1: I was it's okay, have you seen Cabaret? Yes, you're fine. Well,
Speaker 1: I also grew up maybe maybe maybe this is YouTube,
Speaker 1: but I grew up in a funny girl house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my mom is a huge barber stand. It's not a
Speaker 1: dicotom thing that but it's what films that niche for me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like it was like a
Speaker 1: funny girl was what was on all the time, and
Speaker 1: your parents raised you right, here, You're good. You're good.
Speaker 1: And like I was, I think Chris I was talking.
Speaker 1: I was like talking to Chris Schliker about how I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen Sound of Music. It's like, well you should,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm not going to watch it now.
Speaker 1: If I watch anything now, it will be the Cary
Speaker 1: Underwood version, so I can laugh. You're not going to
Speaker 1: watch it, ever, though, that's what that's what? That's what.
Speaker 1: Have you seen Mary Poppins? Yes, okay, so you know
Speaker 1: Julie Andrews fabulous, brilliant. I prefer her in Mary Poppins
Speaker 1: because she's sort of a dom in that and she's
Speaker 1: very vain and I really like that better than I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's Americana knows how to make an American quilt.
Speaker 1: There you go, it's how to make an American quote.
Speaker 1: Are you saying that you're never intentionally never going to
Speaker 1: see Sounding It's long? But and that's my problem with
Speaker 1: things now. Like Julie was saying before, it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to watch something new that's going to take
Speaker 1: up a large chunk of time. I think that's why
Speaker 1: we're seeing television pop off in this way and like
Speaker 1: even shorter and short episodes of things, because it's like
Speaker 1: there is so much. It's not one of four event
Speaker 1: movies to come out in a year, and I know
Speaker 1: that what what its cultural impact is. So I'm good.
Speaker 1: I have like um holes in my like um like
Speaker 1: orson Wells and like a lot of like seventies stuff
Speaker 1: like I never saw like Midnight Cowboy, and I, you know,
Speaker 1: feel bad about that. But like they'll start to watch
Speaker 1: Easy Rider and I'll be like, I just can't do it,
Speaker 1: Like I it's just yeah, unless I'm like baking at
Speaker 1: the same time, things that can be on in the background,
Speaker 1: I guess. But then if and then if it's on
Speaker 1: the background, why not a podcast or why not for
Speaker 1: me right now? Housewives? It's like that kind of deal.
Speaker 1: I guess you could say you're reaching yourself culturally by
Speaker 1: like watching these films of the seventies when cinema was
Speaker 1: very it's very mask it is, but not mask with share, right,
Speaker 1: not mask with share? Wait, I would literally it's so
Speaker 1: that you're saying that for mask, mask per mask, just
Speaker 1: two people who enjoy that movie, that's the new mask
Speaker 1: for masks. Its coach number eleven Masks masks, but yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I was recently, um so a lot of these like
Speaker 1: like Lewis actually I think created this, but he was
Speaker 1: as a lot of these gays. Lewis. Lewis was the
Speaker 1: first person remember asked me, who's in your coven? So
Speaker 1: Covin is like five actresses that like you can recall
Speaker 1: and bring to mind, like whether or not they were
Speaker 1: like important in your life or like they conjure something
Speaker 1: up about like your connect to them in a way
Speaker 1: that you can't really explain. And my friend Jared was
Speaker 1: was like trying to figure out what his coven was,
Speaker 1: and I was like, don't take this any any which way,
Speaker 1: but I think Share might be in your coven. And
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, I don't know, and I'm like see,
Speaker 1: but like Shared to me is like earthy, fiery as
Speaker 1: an actress, so underrated, a fabulous well how underrated are
Speaker 1: you with an oscar rather your girl? To be fair,
Speaker 1: but I will say like as a diva, she is
Speaker 1: incredibly talented and embodying other care and especially like you know,
Speaker 1: I mean not to I never snark out a woman's
Speaker 1: physical appearance in the sense of like I chose to
Speaker 1: get surgery and like, but she was very emotive, Like
Speaker 1: she had her original face so stunningly beautiful, and she
Speaker 1: was able to express so much with it. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: she does have that. It's crazy for someone who's literally performing.
Speaker 1: If I could turn back time to also feel grounded
Speaker 1: real like that woman on the on the like the
Speaker 1: next door amazing. She's really good. Have you seen share stuff? Yeah, movies,
Speaker 1: movies moonstruck, but like I will go back and watch
Speaker 1: Old Sunny and share clips. Clips are good. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know it's all fluff, but like I'm not all fluff,
Speaker 1: but like, but just share just like landing a punchline
Speaker 1: or just reacting to something to Stunny, just being like
Speaker 1: whatever she's you can. Yeah, her quote, original face, which
Speaker 1: I love, Like that's what you can with her tea
Speaker 1: than or I mean her nose in her mouth and
Speaker 1: just just her the color, the tone of her skin.
Speaker 1: It's like she goddess. I couldn't agree more. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: and like Burnett Peters from Oh my God, Complexion And
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about the Pennies from Heaven. Have you
Speaker 1: ever seen it? I've never seen it. It's good. I
Speaker 1: only thought it recently, but like it's it's good. It's
Speaker 1: dark and not to sound weird Martin and Burnette. Peter R. Yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: what is it? Explain so I haven't seen it. A
Speaker 1: musical from I believe nineteen eighty called Pennies from Heaven
Speaker 1: Um take place in the depression. Who else isn't it?
Speaker 1: Jessica Harper, who was also a fan of The Paradise Um.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's dark, like, but there's some amazing musical numbers.
Speaker 1: I just like any musical with like a sense of darkness,
Speaker 1: which is why I'm not like as much of a
Speaker 1: sound of music, Like I'm definitely more in the you
Speaker 1: know later. But but yeah, it's it's pretty great. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's this whole fantasy sequence where she goes into a classroom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she's wearing Bob Mackie and it's right and this
Speaker 1: huge and it's gorgeous, like all these children are wearing
Speaker 1: like white tuxes and like, I'm sure that's online. Yeah, YouTube,
Speaker 1: we'll tweet that, like you can find it along with
Speaker 1: them The Born to Be Gay but cover Um, I'm
Speaker 1: always like shocked when I go to YouTube. I like,
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe this exists and I'll type it in
Speaker 1: like there's this concert version of Sweeney Todd that I
Speaker 1: love with Patty, with Patty and George hern and that
Speaker 1: neo Patrick Harris, that one I think is like good,
Speaker 1: that's truly Sweeney Todd for me. And like everything else
Speaker 1: I listened to, like like strike me down. But even
Speaker 1: like the Angela version I find to be like a
Speaker 1: little cartoonist is gone. It's just accepted because for me,
Speaker 1: it always comes down to worst Pies in London, like like,
Speaker 1: and I've never seen a worst pies in London like
Speaker 1: Patty Lepone does in that concert is everything. Like her
Speaker 1: singing is just so expressive and on point and operatic
Speaker 1: and like you get every single word and the stories
Speaker 1: being told. And she's also so funny. She's really funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a ballbuster. Yeah. But I remember like I was like,
Speaker 1: maybe they'll have this, and I typed it into YouTube
Speaker 1: and you could see the whole the whole thing. Well. Recently,
Speaker 1: like like people have been putting up like full Broadway
Speaker 1: shows and specifically of Sondheim stuff like old like like
Speaker 1: I like I had never seen Sunday in the Park
Speaker 1: until someone put up the like many even taking Bernadette
Speaker 1: production and I was like, this is I smoked ball
Speaker 1: and I watched it and it was like, this is
Speaker 1: the most beautiful thing I've ever seen it. I mean
Speaker 1: that Sweeney Tod Concert version. That could be your whole night.
Speaker 1: I mean you could just sit it down and it's
Speaker 1: long and it's good, and that's that is something that
Speaker 1: I would say, if you haven't seen it, you got
Speaker 1: to see that, because that's a piece of art. I see.
Speaker 1: My thing with Sweeney is I've beyond the the movie.
Speaker 1: I've never seen a full production. That's a shame. So
Speaker 1: that's why. I mean, I really like the Angel Landsbury version,
Speaker 1: which it is it is filmed in the same way
Speaker 1: that Sunday is. Right, you know, it was like someone
Speaker 1: was like, we have to get this on. There's some
Speaker 1: kinds that can be the most entertaining, but like for
Speaker 1: people who will appreciate it, it it will be you know,
Speaker 1: will be valued and looking we appreciate it. Wait, or
Speaker 1: did you want to ask who we have there's Oh well,
Speaker 1: I could say actually I had to ask the question
Speaker 1: because it's like so finite. But I would say one
Speaker 1: other thing, which is there's obviously there's Into the Woods
Speaker 1: with Bernadette, which is you can watch in full some places.
Speaker 1: And also, you guys, if you're in New York, you
Speaker 1: can always go to Lincoln Center and you can go
Speaker 1: just like go over this, but you can go to
Speaker 1: Lincoln Center and watch the whole productions. Like I recently,
Speaker 1: I think it was like six seven months ago did
Speaker 1: this with Assassin's which one the one with Petrock Cares
Speaker 1: and I Michael Servers as Newsome Award um so, but
Speaker 1: but that's a really good production. And then it is
Speaker 1: of course I'm on Victor Garberos John Wilkes spoof and
Speaker 1: I actually we have a friend, um Nico who's like
Speaker 1: really into politics and like really loves this stuff, and
Speaker 1: he had never seen this and I told him like
Speaker 1: last week, I was like, you should check this out.
Speaker 1: And he has texted me every single day about it
Speaker 1: and now he loves it. It's a good one to
Speaker 1: get familiar with because it's super relevant. Yeah, that's also
Speaker 1: a good like Gateway straight guy like show that in
Speaker 1: like all every strike I've ever met, like Skyes and Dolls.
Speaker 1: Really another straight guy show, strict eye show we have
Speaker 1: we talked about and wait, this is another and if
Speaker 1: this is truly putting it on the spot, then tell
Speaker 1: me to shut up. But have I asked you what
Speaker 1: your favorite show is? Oh, you know, it's it's I
Speaker 1: mean it's Gypsy because Gypsy's Okay, let me put it
Speaker 1: this way. Gypsy is the best musical of all time.
Speaker 1: But Sunday is my favorite. Got it. That's great. It's
Speaker 1: great that you can distinguish those. Um wow, I mean
Speaker 1: you you have a whole history at Gypsy or no,
Speaker 1: you saw with Patty you said that she was Patty
Speaker 1: and no, actually I remember the first episode we did
Speaker 1: with Cole. I said this, and some people were like,
Speaker 1: what I felt that she marked the matin night that
Speaker 1: I saw. Maybe she was tired, maybe she had maybe
Speaker 1: she was hungover, and it's her right, you know what
Speaker 1: it was like? It was like still Patty. But I
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, I really wanted to be like
Speaker 1: blown away, like the way I was blown away by
Speaker 1: Alice Ripley and next to normal, I was like blown
Speaker 1: away by something and um anything. But I saw her
Speaker 1: in Drowsy Chaperone in three Views when I was little,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, unbelievable, right, I love that,
Speaker 1: just the whole show off number. She's amazing yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: did you watch the Jimmy Awards this year. No, but
Speaker 1: you told me about them, and you showed me that
Speaker 1: clip from last year with the George Clooney girl, and
Speaker 1: that was so fabulous. Girls, you should have her on
Speaker 1: this show. Me after after we talked about it, and and
Speaker 1: she was like, hey, thanks for all the nice things
Speaker 1: you said, and I come on the show. Come on
Speaker 1: the show the teens well, because not only that, but
Speaker 1: like they have all the performances up. So I watched
Speaker 1: that clip after you said it, and then I watched
Speaker 1: her performance sister actor. It was amazing confidence. Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: George Clooney, George Clooney, George Clooney three times and then
Speaker 1: George do you care? I don't have? Performance was stunning.
Speaker 1: But the reason I bring up the Jimmy's is like,
Speaker 1: so they're obviously kids in there in high school, but
Speaker 1: they do like those they break it up into small
Speaker 1: groups of like the people that are really the ones
Speaker 1: to watch. Two of the girls and one of the
Speaker 1: finalist groups played the Drowsy shop around in Drowsy and
Speaker 1: there's nothing funnier to me than watching seventeen year olds
Speaker 1: play like boozed up old women. They both sang the
Speaker 1: same song. They both sang along, and they split it
Speaker 1: up like a duet, and then they did this incredible
Speaker 1: thing at the end where they held the note out together.
Speaker 1: It's good watching one was doing more heavy lifting than
Speaker 1: the other, like one of them was the actor and
Speaker 1: one of them was the singer. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Singer who yeah, singers, but um no, I think like
Speaker 1: the Patty thing, I was just like expecting, you want
Speaker 1: to see her give herself a hernia? Yeah, I wanted
Speaker 1: to see something happened up there, and it was great.
Speaker 1: But also I had grown up watching on repeat the
Speaker 1: Bernadette Peters Tony Awards performance of Rose's Turn, and I
Speaker 1: was just like blown away. But yeah, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: she's never Rose. Bernardette Peters never could. I saw that production.
Speaker 1: I was like, I love her to pieces, but she's not.
Speaker 1: When they're like all we need is someone with nerve,
Speaker 1: I was like, who, I don't see anyone in the
Speaker 1: stage right now. I'm sorry, it's just not her, not
Speaker 1: her stick. I get it, But Patty is the Rose
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, and I saw it with Die Daily.
Speaker 1: I heard Angel Landsber was the best ever. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean when you think Rose, you think of the
Speaker 1: Patty energy. Patty was amazing. Yeah, I don't think of
Speaker 1: Yeah when I hear it. When I went, someone says
Speaker 1: Roses Turn the song, I don't think ath all, I
Speaker 1: think Patty or I think that's just totally but I
Speaker 1: my just music. In terms of the song track, I
Speaker 1: also think of that a lot. I think from the
Speaker 1: television movie. Yeah, I think that does a really good
Speaker 1: Roses Turn, at least just the recording of it that's
Speaker 1: like on Spotify or whatever, like great, really good. I
Speaker 1: don't know, that's just me. I haven't seen anything really well.
Speaker 1: The last thing I saw, and probably that really blew
Speaker 1: me away was Once on This Island. Yeah, that was really, really,
Speaker 1: really good. I saw that with Andrew Martin. We went together.
Speaker 1: We had a mommy daughter date. Yes that For a second,
Speaker 1: I was like, Andrew Martin was the Once on This Side.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, you guys are like you
Speaker 1: guys were coworkers. We went. Yeah, we went and at
Speaker 1: one point she leaned over and was like, I have
Speaker 1: no idea what's happening? Said, and I said, just enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, literally just at length talked about Andrew
Speaker 1: Martin how brilliant she is a big fact, regretting that
Speaker 1: the monologue about her twin was like it was like
Speaker 1: an iconic comedic along from the last like twenty years
Speaker 1: of filming. Yeah, she's amazing. Yeah, Oh my god, how
Speaker 1: often do you get to this is such a I
Speaker 1: was on a plane with her recently and we were texting.
Speaker 1: While we were like stalled in the she was like,
Speaker 1: I want bone broth and the place will be closed.
Speaker 1: I was like, you should get food Kick or Max Liveries,
Speaker 1: Like what's that? Like, it'll be at your apartment. She's like,
Speaker 1: order it for me. I sent some bone broth to
Speaker 1: her house and she came over and like toss thirty
Speaker 1: dollars and flight attendants were very patient. I think I
Speaker 1: think difficult people just really quickly. I think difficult people
Speaker 1: was such and this is not meant to be taken
Speaker 1: anything but the right way, which is it was gay
Speaker 1: fan service. It was just candy for gay people, like
Speaker 1: having Andrew Martin play your mom, and having like Jackie
Speaker 1: Hoffman play like this fucking mouth the wife of Fred
Speaker 1: Armis and and then having cold air and um, it's
Speaker 1: just I got I of that show. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: That's good. If I get God forbid hit by a
Speaker 1: bus tomorrow, I have that as my legacy, and I'm
Speaker 1: very proud. But I think I think you have. I
Speaker 1: think cool stuff happening coming up. We'll see. We'll see
Speaker 1: what happens. Since my once my rosation clears up, anything
Speaker 1: is possible. I have to ask the question. We have
Speaker 1: to ask the question, which is, Julie, what is the
Speaker 1: culture that made you say culture is for me? This
Speaker 1: is I'm talking about so much when you say cultures
Speaker 1: for me, I mean like I want to make things,
Speaker 1: I want to do things. Yeah, I mean, honestly, sometimes
Speaker 1: I think about it that way. There's so many ways
Speaker 1: to answer this question. Like sometimes I think, like for me,
Speaker 1: if I were to askwer the answer the question, like
Speaker 1: I could say, like Lost, the television show made me
Speaker 1: want to like write television, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But then like also I sometimes answer it like my
Speaker 1: parents took me to Disney World a lot growing up,
Speaker 1: and that stoke my imagination. So it's really kind of
Speaker 1: like whatever you want. I mean obviously like that Cat's
Speaker 1: experience is very formative for me, But I also love
Speaker 1: the Monkeys, the TV show The v You when I
Speaker 1: was a little girl. So I remember there was one
Speaker 1: night where I had a nightmare and I was so
Speaker 1: scared and so upset, and I went into my parents
Speaker 1: bedroom and they were like, look, the Monkeys is on.
Speaker 1: And I remember watching that because I would always rerun
Speaker 1: it at eleven whatever they showed it for, and I've
Speaker 1: seen it that day. But I just remember like being
Speaker 1: specifically like introduced to the notion of familiarity and and
Speaker 1: things that you love, being able to not just distract,
Speaker 1: but like super Yeah, it was Davy Jones your crush.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, last one. If I had to rank
Speaker 1: Nesmith Doland's Torque Jones. Okay, I feel like Davy Jones
Speaker 1: is the one my mom always talked to me. He
Speaker 1: was pretty was like the designated heartthrob. But Mickey is
Speaker 1: the voice of the Monkeys, like he's the best singer
Speaker 1: and voice. Well, I at the time, when I was
Speaker 1: a little girl, I liked Mickey, and then as I mature,
Speaker 1: naturally Mike is the love. Yeah, it's interesting how that happens.
Speaker 1: So you think you're into as a child, Sure, there's
Speaker 1: something about like a seventies aesthetic and sensibility like oh
Speaker 1: that was sixties, that it was six seven, but that's
Speaker 1: that's even before, right, Like I don't know, like just
Speaker 1: just I'm hearing the song like hey, where the Monkeys,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, oh, I'm already like automatically comforted.
Speaker 1: I don't know what my point is. There are some beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful boys like yes, romping around in California with like
Speaker 1: that was on film. I mean yeah, I was just
Speaker 1: wonderful and the songs are so that's kind of would
Speaker 1: you say, that's that's kind of like how to like
Speaker 1: that's like American like that's like good quill right. I
Speaker 1: don't know to me, very very that they also try
Speaker 1: to recreate it, but it's like that's impossible. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: gotta try to do something else because you can't recreate
Speaker 1: I have like Carol King and Neil Diamond write songs
Speaker 1: for you and boys and heart like I don't think so,
Speaker 1: I don't think. Did you see the beautiful Carol King musical?
Speaker 1: I did. I liked it. I liked it. I saw
Speaker 1: it with the with Jesse and she was unbelieved. So
Speaker 1: I saw it with her sister Abby. She's a sister
Speaker 1: that does the same thing she does. I was, but
Speaker 1: Abby Abbey Mueller like is also a incredible I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't mean this disrespectfully, but it was like watching Jesse,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It was like the strange
Speaker 1: gig to step into your sister's because it's like you're
Speaker 1: imitating someone who was imitating someone, right, Yes, it's it's
Speaker 1: it was a weird one, but it was like I was,
Speaker 1: it was kind of funny, but because the performance was great,
Speaker 1: but I was also cognisant the whole time of like
Speaker 1: I know, when you step into the role of someone
Speaker 1: originaling it, you're not supposed to do them, but you're
Speaker 1: supposed to honor what they did. And also with your sister,
Speaker 1: so you look like her, so it's kind of like
Speaker 1: seeing the same performance. Ish. Yeah, I'm so glad I
Speaker 1: don't have a sister. I'm happy I don't have a
Speaker 1: brother only child. We've talked about birthday, right, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: what is your I I think this is something that
Speaker 1: is like crystallizing in my brain that if it weren't
Speaker 1: for my sister handing me, handing down to me, these
Speaker 1: like what like you would imagine a heterosexual girl to
Speaker 1: enjoy Um, I would not have been able to consume
Speaker 1: like we were talking about dropping gorgeous with Katie Ash,
Speaker 1: I would not have like I would not have seen
Speaker 1: dropic gorgeous if it weren't for my sister. I would
Speaker 1: not have had access to like a Spice Girls CD
Speaker 1: to play on repeat if it weren't for my sister. Like,
Speaker 1: this is something that I'm really like kind of landing on.
Speaker 1: Is this reality of this is this idea of like, oh,
Speaker 1: I needed her to be there in order for me
Speaker 1: to like have laid the little They men appreciate women
Speaker 1: in ways that no one else does. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: like I that's it is a it is a bigger
Speaker 1: blessing than most people even no let alone take advantage of.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is so special and beyond the idea
Speaker 1: that like they're just the only people that understand how
Speaker 1: funny women are can be. And it was funny because
Speaker 1: I you were talking about I forget what you're talking
Speaker 1: about earlier, but I remember after the Democratic debate you
Speaker 1: showed me that, Yeah, I introduced say, oh my god,
Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god. I like I just
Speaker 1: started walking around the room and it was amazing. But
Speaker 1: it was funny because my heterosexual boyfriend told me the
Speaker 1: night he was watching the debates, He's like, there's this
Speaker 1: woman I think you will think is funny. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to say. He couldn't peg it.
Speaker 1: And I don't even know if he said funny. I
Speaker 1: think like I think he was like that you'll be
Speaker 1: interested it. He was able to mark like, I think
Speaker 1: this is like a crazy woman that like Julie might
Speaker 1: think is hilarious, which of course I do, and it
Speaker 1: tickled me to know. I mean, there's nothing like that
Speaker 1: sweet spot of a maniac, a well meaning maniac, like
Speaker 1: like just taking on more than she has any right
Speaker 1: to her swagger and out I should have to work there.
Speaker 1: And it was like you, I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: got it is so funny, I said. We were describing
Speaker 1: it like when it happened, as like an adult Dezie moment,
Speaker 1: and I feel like there's only so many people on
Speaker 1: this planet that can appreciate the adult Decie moment as
Speaker 1: being what it was, which is the finest moment anyone
Speaker 1: could ever experience. It was the moment of my life.
Speaker 1: I know it really it really never felt like that.
Speaker 1: It's it's our defining it's basically Kennedy being shot in
Speaker 1: the head. But good, it's it's it's the other side
Speaker 1: of that. I remember when that happens, because you talk
Speaker 1: about the moment you not only do you Matt talk about,
Speaker 1: but you talk about the moment when John he bows
Speaker 1: his hat and then the curtains part, and then you
Speaker 1: just it's close upon Adina just being like like starrified,
Speaker 1: like after Travolta after Yes. The funny thing about it
Speaker 1: is when he was talking, I literally said, I was like,
Speaker 1: how funny is it that they are getting John Travolta
Speaker 1: to announced this like gay anthem. And by the way,
Speaker 1: if you recall, he was wearing a literal chain connecting
Speaker 1: one part of his collar to the means what he
Speaker 1: was wearing instead of a bow tie. He looked absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: And then as he was talking, I was saying to
Speaker 1: myself in my own head, I was watching a bunch
Speaker 1: of people and I was like, he might not know
Speaker 1: her name. I was like, he like, I know, he's
Speaker 1: it's like the wickedly talented when the way and only
Speaker 1: adele the impression you're read, he's very staccato, chomping the
Speaker 1: contents talented and only so when you think about the
Speaker 1: precision with what she says, those words being used to
Speaker 1: say the wrong thing, it's heaven. I'm the confidence with
Speaker 1: what you delivered. It unbelievable. He's interesting, that Zeno god
Speaker 1: to be seen. Yeah, maybe it's maybe it's it's definitely
Speaker 1: he's not born but not born with much. He made
Speaker 1: the most of what he was born with. That well,
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, true good looks fascinating, his fascinating career, truly,
Speaker 1: because I always feel like Greece must have been the
Speaker 1: first thing, not even welcome back. Yeah about Travolta, No,
Speaker 1: it's about Allen car the produced reproduced Greece as well,
Speaker 1: and that insane Academy Awards thing and can't stop the music,
Speaker 1: the Village People musical and yeah, so you so, I
Speaker 1: had this moment with Travolta during American Crime during a
Speaker 1: where I'm actually crazy, so funny. I really enjoyed him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he was. That's the kind of thing where
Speaker 1: it's like actor meats performance and it's like it's so
Speaker 1: surreal that it's just whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. But
Speaker 1: that whole the Ryan Murphy casting of it all bananas
Speaker 1: because Cuba getting Junior and O. J. Simpson that's like
Speaker 1: a weird matchup. But it did work. I think it
Speaker 1: for the most part of Dead that was like a
Speaker 1: very artfully executed Ryan Murphy granule. I prefer feud, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: and what's happening? I mean, when what is Diana? And um,
Speaker 1: what's this? Do you know? This is Prince Charles versus
Speaker 1: Diana coming up? Nothing? It was literally like they said,
Speaker 1: the next feud is Charles and Diana. They also said
Speaker 1: the next American crimes for it was Katrina and that
Speaker 1: didn't happen either, And I heard that they like it,
Speaker 1: and like then they then they shelved it the because
Speaker 1: because Nette bending was fully the lead of it, and
Speaker 1: then it didn't come out. But this this Charles and
Speaker 1: Diana thing seems like such a good opportunity, especially right
Speaker 1: now when everyone is obsessed with like the royal family
Speaker 1: of it all, Like and who played Diana? Well, they wouldn't,
Speaker 1: But when I was almost I was almost positive it
Speaker 1: was Gwyneth because of the Glee thing, because because she's
Speaker 1: had right, she's with Ryan Murphy, she's a movie star.
Speaker 1: Who would who would I think only do so much.
Speaker 1: Television would be better, Daryl Hannah, Daryl just talked about
Speaker 1: She's another one is fascinating. Yeah, totally, we were, and
Speaker 1: you had brought up the Carol Radswall. She has an
Speaker 1: athletic blankness about yes, we were? What what? What? What
Speaker 1: puts that in your mind of like Darryl and Diana,
Speaker 1: It's that kind of like a similar physicality, like the
Speaker 1: strong job, but yeah, like athletics. Yeah, but where you
Speaker 1: saying about Carol? Well, so Matt basically recapped this um
Speaker 1: a couple episodes ago. But but apparently so Carol was
Speaker 1: talking about JFK JR. So Carol Radsville was close with Carolin,
Speaker 1: and we know this, and so she was close with JFK.
Speaker 1: But she was saying that she was saying in some
Speaker 1: interview with Jenny McCarthy recently, but America's the Michael every
Speaker 1: d she gets the Mike Wallace a dessert, truly, truly,
Speaker 1: and like watching those interviews sometimes I'm like I'm here,
Speaker 1: R and I on this YouTube channel. UM, but it's
Speaker 1: like I was watching this interview with Carol and Jenny,
Speaker 1: and Carol kind of threw this thing away where she
Speaker 1: was like well, yeah, you know, before Caroline, there was
Speaker 1: um Darryl Hannah, and so we had to endure that.
Speaker 1: And I was like, what was that? I was like,
Speaker 1: does she not like Daryl Hannah? I was like, is
Speaker 1: Darrell Hannah a nightmare? Was a different in the nineties?
Speaker 1: And then I asked Bowen, I was like, is Darryl
Speaker 1: Hannah like Cannon? And I think she might. She's actually
Speaker 1: say it was mean and Darryl Hannah was involved with
Speaker 1: everybody John Jim Henson. She was at his funeral. Arguably
Speaker 1: she killed him, just kidding, but she was seeing him
Speaker 1: when he really Now she's married to who was she
Speaker 1: married to? I don't know who young? Okay, that is shocking.
Speaker 1: That's like that's like when you remember that Meg Ryan
Speaker 1: is married to Mellencamp. It's like, what did they actually
Speaker 1: tie the knot? I think that they're still together. They
Speaker 1: started dating, but they only started dating of a leather
Speaker 1: necklace years right, But but but we're just not like
Speaker 1: just a long time but not long enough to be
Speaker 1: like it's they started dating after Meg like kind of
Speaker 1: fell off. Well yeah, I mean what I what I
Speaker 1: mean to say, It's like it's like two iconic people
Speaker 1: that you sure it's a great makes sense to me. Um,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that the conclusion we sort of
Speaker 1: came to with the whole wise Carol being shade towards Darryll,
Speaker 1: is that Carol versus Darryl Carol they I was going
Speaker 1: to say that, like at the because Darryll Hannah was
Speaker 1: dating JFK Jr. At the height of her fame in
Speaker 1: the nineties, I guess from the late eighties where it
Speaker 1: was like she's probably doing a lot of coke and
Speaker 1: being wild, I mean crazy. I think that might be it.
Speaker 1: I think maybe that was a little bit. I mean also,
Speaker 1: the I guess the early nineties were like a big
Speaker 1: old coke toime. Sure, sure, sure, so that's our theory.
Speaker 1: But who knows? Um, yes, but I people we have
Speaker 1: friends who like who will shoot on feuds and say
Speaker 1: that the writing is terrible. But I think I think
Speaker 1: it is the best writing of any of those. Do
Speaker 1: you think, Yeah? I h you know what. I loved
Speaker 1: that scene where they showed Joan Crawford's in Memoriam picture
Speaker 1: and they're all watching and then Susan as Betty says,
Speaker 1: that's all any of us look at and then they
Speaker 1: say to Joan and they cheers her. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like that thing with gay men. It's like you can
Speaker 1: really pick at each other. But those women were bonded
Speaker 1: by the experience of being a woman in Hollywood. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's that, And that had some really great performance
Speaker 1: supporting performance performances to like Jackie Yeah, and Alison Wright
Speaker 1: who who was also played a fictional character. But she's
Speaker 1: really right. Um. I think the coolest thing that that
Speaker 1: show dead was it we invented that famous Betty quote
Speaker 1: of Um, they say never speaking of the dead. Joe
Speaker 1: Crawford is dead. They never say anything bad about the dead.
Speaker 1: Only good is dead good. But the way that Susan
Speaker 1: reads that Reddit was like mournful and like bereft and
Speaker 1: like she like can't believe that this woman that this
Speaker 1: like woman who's been in the trenches with her is
Speaker 1: like really smart reading on that Stan Susan very very
Speaker 1: good and even though she like her politics are crazy.
Speaker 1: But um, anyway, we won't get into it. Just smiles
Speaker 1: some Julie Klausen. Um. But yes, I mean feud. I
Speaker 1: want to see Charles in Diana. I want to see
Speaker 1: their take on that. I'll even I love Gwyneth. There
Speaker 1: you go, I do. You're not a gwyn Stan. She's
Speaker 1: a little precious. She's a little precious. Is there is
Speaker 1: there a piece of culture? Um that because because you
Speaker 1: we're wondering if we were asking about things that made
Speaker 1: you want to create things. Is there something that comes
Speaker 1: to mind when it's that well, I mean I love
Speaker 1: the Kids in the Hall growing up, and I loved
Speaker 1: wy Allen movies and I would want to sort of
Speaker 1: like make my own version of that. Like I liked
Speaker 1: how he could write for himself, right, the sort of
Speaker 1: close out of biographical things. Um. And then later I
Speaker 1: discovered Albert Brooks, who's like so much better, not better,
Speaker 1: but he's the best, deeper. I'm just funnier and you know,
Speaker 1: quirky and at a certain point, I mean they both
Speaker 1: you have to fall up, you have to grow up
Speaker 1: and get bad at what you do. I guess, but
Speaker 1: but yeah, I guess. But I also like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: love sketch comedy and yeah, we had we had Scott
Speaker 1: Thompson here. We had such a conversation with him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's amazing talking about like, you know, being a gay
Speaker 1: man in the industry and like not getting your due,
Speaker 1: like we had such a great conversation. Oh yeah, sorry
Speaker 1: I interrupted you. No, no, no no, I was just saying
Speaker 1: like how difficult it can be too. How to say this,
Speaker 1: like like be the best at what you do and
Speaker 1: then watch the moment where they'll allow it happen like
Speaker 1: fifteen or twenty years later. It's just so like you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like your time before, your time
Speaker 1: being an out gay comedian in the nineties couldn't have
Speaker 1: been easy, Like people don't think about casting you for
Speaker 1: anything because you know, out gay comedian. Right. What he
Speaker 1: talked about was um watching like sort of Hollywood start
Speaker 1: to put gay characters on screen and like not even
Speaker 1: getting those like opportunities because like you know, Greg Kennear
Speaker 1: would be cast like Sean Hayes at the time would
Speaker 1: be cast in Will and Grace without being out, and
Speaker 1: those kinds of situations where it's just like like the
Speaker 1: the blessing and the curse of like being authentically yourself
Speaker 1: and that being like where your gift is, but then
Speaker 1: also not being able to benefit from that and being
Speaker 1: invisible in plains exactly because only because society hasn't caught
Speaker 1: up to that to where you're at it's tragic. There
Speaker 1: are strides being made. I mean it isn't linear, but
Speaker 1: like there's definitely totally and like it would be so
Speaker 1: triumphant if like you saw like this sounds so whatever,
Speaker 1: but like after that episode and like you know this
Speaker 1: can get back to him or whatever. But like after
Speaker 1: that episode like truly like and this sounds so vain
Speaker 1: or whatever, but I was like, oh, a fun career
Speaker 1: goal of mine now is to like make something that
Speaker 1: for Scott Thompson. You know, it's like you want to
Speaker 1: see him like be like you want to see that,
Speaker 1: like yeah, triumph for him. I mean it's also like
Speaker 1: that's a butter up our guest or like like them
Speaker 1: at your feet. But it's like the thing is like
Speaker 1: two is like in an industry that won't allow like
Speaker 1: like a gay mail star. Like that's why we have
Speaker 1: these like for example, Difficult People is like such an
Speaker 1: incredible with you and and Billy, And it's just like
Speaker 1: I don't know, like are they would they have green
Speaker 1: even like five years ago, even for three years ago
Speaker 1: even now? What are we ever going to see just
Speaker 1: like straight up a comedy with a gay mail lead?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, like and that's there's like so
Speaker 1: much like I think that's that's why it's important to
Speaker 1: have ally ship, because like we truly all do make
Speaker 1: each other better and like you know, who knows, And
Speaker 1: like I would say, I would say that like the
Speaker 1: fact that Billy is getting this like Jettapitau rom com
Speaker 1: like in the works, it's like it couldn't have happened
Speaker 1: with like without like all these different things that like yeah,
Speaker 1: buttressed him up, like you know, and like it's so deserved.
Speaker 1: But like you're you're you're such a part of that.
Speaker 1: It's so so amazing. Um, I'm very proud of, you know,
Speaker 1: what I created, and I'm very proud of writing the
Speaker 1: stuff that I did. And you know, it was very
Speaker 1: important for me for a gay man to be visible
Speaker 1: and not defined bisexuality and but to be also to
Speaker 1: be sexual and um, yeah, it's true ally ship. To
Speaker 1: see that friendship in like an authentic way was a
Speaker 1: big goal. Yeah that Taylor, take note also, And I've
Speaker 1: thanked you to your face about just the fucking just
Speaker 1: like Kevin's spacey ship constantly you guys ship before it
Speaker 1: was like popular or like the story broke out or
Speaker 1: anything like you guys would like know. I made sure
Speaker 1: there was a Kevin Spacey joke in every script, and
Speaker 1: sometimes I didn't get cut, but there was always one. Yeah. Honestly,
Speaker 1: you know what's fucked up is how long we were
Speaker 1: making those jokes before everyone was like, what anybody cared
Speaker 1: because they didn't know. Everybody everybody knew, but nobody cared. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. And that's the classic thing too, was like,
Speaker 1: well we didn't know it. Come on, come on, like
Speaker 1: I've I've done what three? I don't think so Honey's
Speaker 1: on Robin right like yes, um but anyway, so speaking
Speaker 1: of I don't think so Honey, time to do. I
Speaker 1: believe it's which is our one minute segment when we
Speaker 1: take something in culture that we just like, maybe even hate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: define language for yourself. Um, but and we go around
Speaker 1: one minute rant about that thing. Um, so I do
Speaker 1: I do have something? Okay, this is Matt Rodger. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many time
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so Honey, SMR talked about
Speaker 1: in detail on the pod before, and I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm very sensitive. The smallest thing can sender shivered up
Speaker 1: my spine. Again. It's like one of those things. I
Speaker 1: guess that is the point, but it's like I would
Speaker 1: like to go sit with someone in real life whisper.
Speaker 1: I don't just want a SMR because I also think
Speaker 1: it's becoming part of the culture now and the way
Speaker 1: we can't turn back from. We have Cardi B doing
Speaker 1: SMR on YouTube. She is a very good at it,
Speaker 1: and honestly, I don't think, so, honey, that I needed
Speaker 1: to know that was one of Cardi b skills because
Speaker 1: now it's like I know she's a rapper, I know
Speaker 1: she's really good at SMR. I know she's going to
Speaker 1: be an actress and hustlestlers speaking of trailers that I like. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey, a SMR has to do
Speaker 1: with my sensitivity. Really, honestly, you do you want taking it?
Speaker 1: I just personally won't be doing it. Um. Also, I
Speaker 1: don't think I would be good at it. So that's
Speaker 1: I guess one of the reasons. Five seconds, I find
Speaker 1: that I'm very loud and can't speak in a whisper.
Speaker 1: So I don't think so a SMR. But do you
Speaker 1: and what's for you? And that's a minute a couple
Speaker 1: of things. Am I going to get dragged for this? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: no it's not. It's I heard it's like Cilantro, Like
Speaker 1: there's a part of your brand that either response it
Speaker 1: or does it the way that like there's people have
Speaker 1: a gene that like Cilantro tastes like soap to them,
Speaker 1: um and then different triggers, lets of different responses, um
Speaker 1: Meridian responses. But I do want to say fuck you
Speaker 1: for implying that people who listen to a smar lonely
Speaker 1: because okay, that's here, that's so funny. He who claims me,
Speaker 1: my friend is going to engineer it orse engineer look
Speaker 1: like said I'm not gonna do am I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: meets like you said something to that bit. I can't
Speaker 1: quote quote quote it back to your account. But also
Speaker 1: the Cardi is like a savant, like she she knows,
Speaker 1: she's like I read I read up on articles about
Speaker 1: her doing that video, and like all these experts are like,
Speaker 1: she clearly has done this. She's done this. She she
Speaker 1: says in the video she watches Asmer every night to
Speaker 1: go to go to sleep, and she like knows, she
Speaker 1: knows that it's about hand movements and she knows see
Speaker 1: the intent and like the fire in her eyes when
Speaker 1: she's doing it's a performance. That cannon like taps the
Speaker 1: can and I'm like you are, it's performing. It's a performance.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I fully realized performance. And actually a
Speaker 1: SMR is like a new name tag for it, because
Speaker 1: back in the day, like even like eight years ago,
Speaker 1: was called the whisper community, and like that was like
Speaker 1: a shame thing. That what a great name, what a
Speaker 1: fabulous like screenplay for anyone or something. Yeah, whisper community. Okay,
Speaker 1: I've got one. Well, it looks like it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a owhen Yanks turned to do I don't think so, Honey,
Speaker 1: here today on this episode of Last Cultures and his
Speaker 1: time will begin now. I don't think so many Matrioka dolls,
Speaker 1: Russian dolls that nest and nest. What's what's the end
Speaker 1: game there that I get to a small doll. What
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do with a small doll? Oh? Not lose it.
Speaker 1: It's a stressful, stressful thing to have. It's not fun.
Speaker 1: The only fun thing is to organize the dolls and
Speaker 1: nest them in one another. I don't think so honey,
Speaker 1: that's not play, that's stress over you know, spatial um uh, compacting,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I think one of the
Speaker 1: We're We're We're America is having a weird moment with
Speaker 1: Russia right now. But the worst Russian cultural export in
Speaker 1: history has been the Russian nesting doll. Because now now
Speaker 1: you see these crazy silhouettes on you know, fucking these
Speaker 1: phillies right behind my my my co host Matt Rogers, Um,
Speaker 1: what's this? And I don't think so, honey, that I
Speaker 1: only thought of it because it was I looked at
Speaker 1: something in the room a second. I don't think something that. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I actually do hate Russian nesting dolls. And that's
Speaker 1: one minute. I always love when you use your last
Speaker 1: five seconds to be like, is this bad? And did
Speaker 1: I only think of a two seconds ago? Yes? I
Speaker 1: love that for you. I love that narrative. I love
Speaker 1: this as like because its supposed to be pop culture
Speaker 1: that you're gonna talk about the show because it got
Speaker 1: nominated form that was so funny that like Russian so funny.
Speaker 1: Way yeah, we headlined um okay, um, this is Julie Klauseners.
Speaker 1: I don't think okay, so no, no, no, no no, what
Speaker 1: was your question? What was your question? Sorry? Sorry? Sorry
Speaker 1: sorry set off Asian. No, that's that's fine. Don't worry
Speaker 1: about it. Make it. Make it about whatever it's going
Speaker 1: to be. It's a pop culture thing, right, it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be. Okay, Wait, just so people know in case
Speaker 1: they want to skip forward, this will contain spoilers, and
Speaker 1: we love that. We love a spoiler, So spoiler alert
Speaker 1: a minute ahead. If you care about the Handmaid's Tail, Okay,
Speaker 1: I love this. I wonder I wonder if our listeners
Speaker 1: care about the hemlets, and I think some of them do. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is Julie Clausens. I don't think so. One of
Speaker 1: your time starts now. Okay. So I watch every episode
Speaker 1: of the like midnight when it comes out, and I
Speaker 1: hate it so much, and I love the first season
Speaker 1: even though this is like a horrible It's it's like
Speaker 1: chickens watching like chicken torture video, you know, it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm a woman, what am I doing? And they just
Speaker 1: keep being meaner and meter to women, and they're like,
Speaker 1: let's hang them by the river ano they're doing like
Speaker 1: body torture, like where they're just like what we put
Speaker 1: rings in her lips when you're like, what the what
Speaker 1: do they do with the teeth? And how going to
Speaker 1: and anyway, I just want to say that I gave
Speaker 1: up on that show as soon as Serena gave that
Speaker 1: fucking baby away, because that is something she would never do,
Speaker 1: and she did that, and I said, no way. Because
Speaker 1: now this season she's like, I got to get the
Speaker 1: baby back, and the writers are clearly like I don't
Speaker 1: know anyone writes on it, you know, but like they
Speaker 1: are clear like she's got to get that baby back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because yeah, seconds, I don't think so, honey. Elizabeth Moms
Speaker 1: is very good, a lot of facial acting, and the
Speaker 1: music choices are very on the nose. It's really true.
Speaker 1: And also I kind of tuned out at the same time,
Speaker 1: it sounds like you did, because because it's like to
Speaker 1: see the show now and I'm like, Okay, Serena is now,
Speaker 1: and what's going on? Because no effing cut off you
Speaker 1: cut off her finger. You have to cut that bitches
Speaker 1: head off in order for her to not want that baby.
Speaker 1: That is the only thing she wants. And now it's like, yes,
Speaker 1: she still does, Like no, I give up with you.
Speaker 1: And now it's just torture. And there was this one
Speaker 1: scene in front of the like would be Lincoln Monument, yes,
Speaker 1: and they're just shouting at each other, I hate you,
Speaker 1: I hate you, and it's like, okay, this is like
Speaker 1: episode too many into American horror story. Or you just
Speaker 1: have Angela Bassett and Cavvy Baits being like I hate you,
Speaker 1: I hate you more and you're like one of you
Speaker 1: kill the other because I'm bored. And I said that
Speaker 1: heightening and that I'm know I'm taking my I don't think,
Speaker 1: but it just it drives me cucko bananas and I'm
Speaker 1: waiting for them to use like the song like I
Speaker 1: don't know, like sisters are doing it for themselves. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The music is just unbelievable and you have a budget
Speaker 1: any Yeah. And the thing is that show is like
Speaker 1: very proud of itself in a way where I'm like,
Speaker 1: but the thing is, you do have to keep serving
Speaker 1: this quality. And the thing about it is too it's
Speaker 1: just like it is incredibly hard to watch, has always
Speaker 1: been hard to watch, but we watch it because like
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like we do want
Speaker 1: to see some guitarsists and it seems like it gets
Speaker 1: worse and worse and worse and worse seems they give
Speaker 1: them the more you're to drag out the torture. You
Speaker 1: see that interview where the guy was like, I see
Speaker 1: it potentially having ten season, I was like, what out here? No, um,
Speaker 1: that is unacceptable. I will ever say. I love I've
Speaker 1: been waiting for aunt Lydia flashback episode for this entire time.
Speaker 1: We got that dressing her on a date, doing karaoke
Speaker 1: and then making out with a guy on her reaching
Speaker 1: right for the peen was wonderful and yeah, this is
Speaker 1: and in the flashback to I said, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: stop watching after this because it's not gonna get that.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, like, that's what the thing is
Speaker 1: like when when you are someone who loves like to
Speaker 1: see like we've been talking about like these largely female cast,
Speaker 1: amazing actresses, like and the thing is like you can
Speaker 1: kind of swept away and like how well it's being
Speaker 1: sure that show is spinning its fucking wheels. I just
Speaker 1: I just love that you hate watching Julie and despite
Speaker 1: being horror curious and refusing to watch other horror, because
Speaker 1: I consider it so I would call it horror yeah,
Speaker 1: it definitely is. Yeah, yeah, and I do like the like,
Speaker 1: you know, like the reveal that girl with the fucking
Speaker 1: ship in her mouth, that was a horror sting and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's there. It is. It's it's thing, and it's just
Speaker 1: it's no, it's too much. It's not cute. No, it's
Speaker 1: not cute, and my shows need to be cute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I like about Dead to me. It remains cute.
Speaker 1: I'm watching Dead to me right now. Have you seen it? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so fucking good? Um is it because I watched I
Speaker 1: watched the season in a day. I like it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if it's good. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I finished this entire bag, Like you can watch it
Speaker 1: again and be like, oh maybe, honest day, I wouldn't finished.
Speaker 1: I won't because it was a day well spent. But
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like, I'm not going on the record
Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, but you know what, it very
Speaker 1: well could be. I'm not saying that it isn't any
Speaker 1: right now. What my thing is with it is it's
Speaker 1: just like I've been spacing it out three episodes, three episodes,
Speaker 1: three episodes, so I can say someone who went a
Speaker 1: little bit differently. I am enjoying it and I'm also
Speaker 1: like unable to not love anything that Christina applegator Linda
Speaker 1: Linda Cardolini, dude, they are well, no, it was my heat.
Speaker 1: It was like my Sunday. Yeah. Yeah, that is dreamcasting
Speaker 1: for you. That macause christ are those are two of
Speaker 1: my girls, like Christie Christina since married with children. She
Speaker 1: was so hot on that she was poor just and
Speaker 1: also like y, yeah, that's that's actually rule of culture.
Speaker 1: Number nine. Kelly Bundy is Kelly Bundy was like the
Speaker 1: Margaret of her time, Like yeah, anyway, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's and that's someone who's like, you know, Christina
Speaker 1: Appligate is such a star that it's like she was
Speaker 1: you knew from watching her in that moment you were
Speaker 1: like that she's here, She's so good. I love sluts, Yeah, same,
Speaker 1: I love a good stupid sluts because her flipping through
Speaker 1: the phone book and saying, what's the number for nine
Speaker 1: one one is so fucking yeah. More more sluts And
Speaker 1: that's and that's why I need to be cast more
Speaker 1: more slots. And I think the title of that more
Speaker 1: Slats with Julie Casmore. This has been this has been fabulous.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here and thank you guys
Speaker 1: so much for having me on and thank you for
Speaker 1: being here as well. A time, great time talking. So listen, bo,
Speaker 1: we do end every episode with a song. I agree.
Speaker 1: Can I just propose another title? Yes, Julie Bowen and
Speaker 1: Mr Rogers, Yes, Julie bo and Mr Rodgers. White people
Speaker 1: search and they'll be yes. I love that. So Julie Bowen,
Speaker 1: Commas and Mr Rodgers. Yeah, there we go, There you go,
Speaker 1: wow or just perfect. In real life it's Julie Bowen
Speaker 1: and Mr Carlson. Unfortunately, Oh no, there's a little drag
Speaker 1: on her. Julie Bowen and Mr Carlson. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: they allegedly. He tells me that Julie Bowen and Tucker
Speaker 1: Carlson were at least a thing for a little we're
Speaker 1: hooking up um, and then Julie was. Julie left her husband.
Speaker 1: They had promised to leave each other's h each other's
Speaker 1: spouses for each other. Tucker Carlson chickened out Julie. Julia
Speaker 1: Julie Bowen did not wow. So now Julie has has
Speaker 1: left the fool and I'm going to give a legal
Speaker 1: note and say this all happened allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. I'm
Speaker 1: going to be the sunny hosting of this episode and
Speaker 1: say this allegedly happened. Is the lawyer on the view
Speaker 1: who always gives the legal and you're the lawyer on
Speaker 1: the last culture, So I'm of course the lawyer of
Speaker 1: this show. Um, who knows? I mean Julie. But if
Speaker 1: Julie Bone wants to start being with me, I would
Speaker 1: love that. I would actually love that best thing for
Speaker 1: my career any great, And then I'll start a beef
Speaker 1: with I don't kneel, I don't nil. There you go.
Speaker 1: I could never do that. Not with Mary and Sophia.
Speaker 1: You should start start start a few Sophia that that
Speaker 1: kind of reads. Um, okay, let's do what you pick.
Speaker 1: He's a little obsessed with me, saying obsessed with me.
Speaker 1: He's a little obsessed with me in the morning and night.
Speaker 1: He's a little obsessed with me. When I say, all right,
Speaker 1: he's a little obsessed with me. He's a little obsessed
Speaker 1: with me. You can find that song nowhere. I Forever.
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