WEBVTT - What Makes Someone Left-Handed?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Welcome to Science Stuff, a production of iHeartRadio More. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>cham And today we're tackling the question what makes someone

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<v Speaker 1>left handed? Is it something in your genes or is

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<v Speaker 1>it random? And why do we involved to have a

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<v Speaker 1>preference for one hand in the first place. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to two scientists who have spent decades studying

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<v Speaker 1>this phenomenon and who are going to step us through

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<v Speaker 1>what it is, what causes it, and how to tell

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<v Speaker 1>if you're actually left handed. It turns out you could

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<v Speaker 1>have been wrong about it your whole life, So get

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<v Speaker 1>ready to use both sides of your brain as we

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<v Speaker 1>try to get a firm grasp on the right way

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<v Speaker 1>to think about your left hand.

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<v Speaker 2>Enjoy.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone. Today we're talking to two experts, each of

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<v Speaker 1>whom have spent over twenty years studying left handedness. The

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<v Speaker 1>first one is Professor Elka Kraus, and she has a

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<v Speaker 1>very unique job when it comes to handed people. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about what that job is, but first I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to know what is the actual scientific definition of left handedness.

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<v Speaker 1>As it turns out there is none, at least there's

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<v Speaker 1>no definition scientists can agree on it. So here's my

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<v Speaker 1>conversation with doctor Elka Krauss. Well, thank you doctor Kraus

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<v Speaker 1>for joining us.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you please tell us who you are and what

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<v Speaker 1>you do.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a professor for occupational therapy in Germany at University

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<v Speaker 3>for Applied Sciences in Berlin, and one of my research

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<v Speaker 3>topics is handedness. I've been studying it and researching it

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<v Speaker 3>since the nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing. Are you right handed or left handed?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm right handed.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe to start us off, can you tell us what

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<v Speaker 1>is handedness and how does it form in people?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so handedness is not just the hand that you

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<v Speaker 3>write with us. Actually it's got two parts. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>hand preference how often you use a hand, And it's

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<v Speaker 3>the hand skill or proficiency, which is relative, so which

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<v Speaker 3>hand is better than the other hand. They say that

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<v Speaker 3>about between ten and twelve percent of humans are left

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<v Speaker 3>handed and the rest is right handed. I see, But

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<v Speaker 3>I just have to say that we have to look

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<v Speaker 3>at that critically because defining handedness is very difficult. It's

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<v Speaker 3>very complex. There's no standard definition of handedness. The way

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<v Speaker 3>it's measured is very different. So some people only look

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<v Speaker 3>at hand preference and the classification. When is a left

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<v Speaker 3>hand or left handed is also not a standard. So

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<v Speaker 3>these are the official numbers of ten to twelve percent

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<v Speaker 3>left handedness, but I personally believe it could be a

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<v Speaker 3>lot higher.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is it difficult to measure handedness?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, people have different ideas of what handedness is.

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<v Speaker 1>I see, it's hard to measure because there's no consensus

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<v Speaker 1>on how to measure it. Yes, so doctor Kraus is

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<v Speaker 1>not your typical scientist. Her interest in what left handedness

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<v Speaker 1>is comes from the very unique job that she has,

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<v Speaker 1>which is to help little kids figure out if they

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<v Speaker 1>are left handed or not. Well.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing is, my context is that I work with

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<v Speaker 3>children who are often on the verge, are going to

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<v Speaker 3>school and who don't know which hand to write with,

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<v Speaker 3>so they come to occupation as therapy to be assessed

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<v Speaker 3>to see what hand should they write with. I see

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<v Speaker 3>the problem is that if children learn to write with

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<v Speaker 3>their non dominant hand, we call them switch handers. We

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<v Speaker 3>know that they can have all sorts of problems because

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<v Speaker 3>of that. They are consequences, and this makes handed there's

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<v Speaker 3>not only a fascinating topic for me, but it actually

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<v Speaker 3>is a very important one because occupation syrrapis in particular

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<v Speaker 3>are co responsible for deciding which hand to write with.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you might be thinking, here, it's not that hard

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out which hand you should use to write with.

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<v Speaker 1>You just give a kid a crayon or a pencil

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<v Speaker 1>and see which hand they use. But as we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about in a minute, for a lot of kids, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not that simple, and the problem is that making the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong choice can have pretty serious and life altering consequences. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned that there are consequences for kids who are

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<v Speaker 1>forced to use the hand that they're not handed with.

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<v Speaker 3>So, as you might have heard, one hundred years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>people were forced to be right handed, so left hand is.

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<v Speaker 3>At school, they were taught to use the right hand,

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<v Speaker 3>and if they didn't, that left hand was tied behind

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<v Speaker 3>their back or they were actually hit on the hand.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a very strong bias towards right handed, and

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<v Speaker 3>as we speak, you could hear that language is also

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<v Speaker 3>right biased, and so you are right, and it's got

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<v Speaker 3>a bit of a negative thing in all sorts of languages.

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<v Speaker 3>It goes back to a religious thing as well. One

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<v Speaker 3>believe that the left side the devil was looking over

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<v Speaker 3>your shoulder, so if you wrote with your left hand,

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<v Speaker 3>the devil would be able to infuse these evil ideas

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<v Speaker 3>into you. So you were doing the person a big

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<v Speaker 3>favor by forcing them to write with the right hand.

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<v Speaker 3>That caused a lot of painful a lot of left handers.

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<v Speaker 3>Some then started to go back to write with their

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<v Speaker 3>left hand at some point and they found that certain

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<v Speaker 3>problems that they had concentration, memory, retention, also find motor

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<v Speaker 3>coordination or gross motor coordination, you know, whatever they did

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<v Speaker 3>actually became better, which just suddenly they could think free.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's not that much good research on it, like

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<v Speaker 3>control studies and whatever, but we have many sort of

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<v Speaker 3>qualitative data on it. There's been some study on switch

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<v Speaker 3>handers looking at the quality of life, and they did

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<v Speaker 3>find that switch left handers feel that they have a

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<v Speaker 3>lesser quality of life. They are motor proficiency problems, concentration

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<v Speaker 3>learning problems, so they might actually have spelling difficulties, they

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<v Speaker 3>might not remember things. They might be speech problems like

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<v Speaker 3>stuttering going on, and and some moti visceral things like headaches, stomach,

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<v Speaker 3>egche all of that. Because somehow writing, especially writing with

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<v Speaker 3>a non dominant hand, seems to trigger all difficulties. So

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<v Speaker 3>you can imagine if you had to do this, you

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<v Speaker 3>would have to concentrate on so many other things to

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<v Speaker 3>try and sort of get a reasonable result. It will

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<v Speaker 3>never be as.

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<v Speaker 1>Good right right. It'd be like living in a constant

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<v Speaker 1>state of frustration and kind of constant state of feeling

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<v Speaker 1>like there's obstacles. You're thinking, yeah, oh wow, I had

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<v Speaker 1>never thought about how hard that must be. Absolutely, and

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<v Speaker 1>that seems like a very big responsibility to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>direct a kid to use a writer or left Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you might think it can't be that hard

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<v Speaker 1>to tell if a kid is right or left handed,

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<v Speaker 1>but here's the thing. We live in a right handed world.

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<v Speaker 1>Doors are made to be used with your right hand, Toys,

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<v Speaker 1>drinking cups, everything around us is mostly designed for right handers.

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<v Speaker 1>And as a kid, you might see both your parents

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<v Speaker 1>use their right hand to do things, and you might

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<v Speaker 1>think that's the hand I should use. And so there

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of kids for whom it's not obvious

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<v Speaker 1>whether they're right handed or left handed and which hand

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<v Speaker 1>they should use to write with.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're in a right handed world where everything is

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<v Speaker 3>right hand orientated, then we cannot be sure that we

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<v Speaker 3>just say let's let him write with the right hand,

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<v Speaker 3>or let her write with the right hand because we

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<v Speaker 3>might be switching somebody, usually a left handed So you

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<v Speaker 3>can see that my point of departure is not just

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<v Speaker 3>looking at handedness as a phenomenon, but it's actually identifying

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<v Speaker 3>those children who might be left handers and preventing them

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<v Speaker 3>from switching, or identifying switched handers and maybe reverting them

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<v Speaker 3>back to their dominant hand.

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<v Speaker 1>I see. Now, as doctor Krauss mentioned, there is no

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<v Speaker 1>single definition of what left handedness is, but there are

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<v Speaker 1>tends you can take that measure your handedness along several dimensions.

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<v Speaker 3>So in my work, I've actually defined six dimensions off handedness.

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<v Speaker 1>What are these six dimensions that you measure left handedness on?

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<v Speaker 3>So, as I said the first two, the most important

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<v Speaker 3>ones would be that you have preference and skill. You

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<v Speaker 3>would think that would be the same thing, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>not always that your preferred hand is also your better hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, what, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you right handed or left handed?

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<v Speaker 1>May I ask I'm right handed? Or wait? If you

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<v Speaker 1>had to guess, would you be able to guess?

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<v Speaker 3>No? But this is the thing. Right handed don't understand

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<v Speaker 3>this necessary. They think that left handedness must be the

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<v Speaker 3>opposite of right handedness. So anyway, Those are the two

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<v Speaker 3>first dimensions. The second two are direction and then very

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<v Speaker 3>importantly the extent of handedness. So you have hands, as

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<v Speaker 3>I call them, that of verse very strongly handed. The

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<v Speaker 3>right hander is that do everything right, left handed that

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<v Speaker 3>do everything left. But that is actually the minority of people.

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<v Speaker 3>Most people are moderately. The extent of hand is moderate.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you have quite a big group in left

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<v Speaker 3>handers that are very slightly left handed. They're not strongly

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<v Speaker 3>left handed, that do a lot of things with the

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<v Speaker 3>right hand really, and people don't understand that, and they

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<v Speaker 3>called the mixed handers, but they're actually left handed. So

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<v Speaker 3>there are some researchers that found that this group of

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<v Speaker 3>left handers, they will always write with their left hand,

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<v Speaker 3>but they might do more than half the things with

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<v Speaker 3>the right hand.

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<v Speaker 1>WHOA.

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<v Speaker 3>We see this when we actually do differentiated assessments. So

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<v Speaker 3>again there is this complex play or symphony of these

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<v Speaker 3>different dimensions. Actually then determine which hand you use.

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<v Speaker 1>WHOA. It's a lot more complicated than maye people think. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like you have these dimensions because some people

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<v Speaker 1>might score high and based on one dimension, you might say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this person's right handed, or left handed, but on another

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<v Speaker 1>dimension it might be different. Yes, I see, And so

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<v Speaker 1>what that tells you is that it's sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>complicated thing and it's sort of on a spectrum. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of a big takeaway is that it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just a right or left. There's sort of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of handedness in between. That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>I think handedness is a continuum. So if you have

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<v Speaker 3>extreme left, extreme right and somewhere you know, if every

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<v Speaker 3>person is somewhere in between.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, But I guess we like binary things, so we

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<v Speaker 1>might draw a line where it's right or left, but

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<v Speaker 1>really it's a richer picture. Yes, people can have a

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<v Speaker 1>preference for right left more or less, but it may

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily correlate to which hand is better at doing things.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I had to realize it's so complicated.

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<v Speaker 3>Nor did I honestly when I started.

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<v Speaker 1>Really wow, I have no idea all right. So there

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<v Speaker 1>is no single definition of what left handedness is, and

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, it seems to be on a spectrum. Some

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<v Speaker 1>people are more left or right handed than others, And

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<v Speaker 1>it's entirely possible that you could be a hidden left

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<v Speaker 1>handed person and you only think you're right handed because

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<v Speaker 1>that's what you were taught as a little kid. But

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<v Speaker 1>here's the question, why are we handed in the first place?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do we tend to have a preference, however strong

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<v Speaker 1>it may be, to use one hand and not the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it programmed in our genes? And why did we

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<v Speaker 1>evolve this tendency to prefer one hand. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to try our hand at answering these questions.

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<v Speaker 1>So stay with us. We'll be right back. Hey, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about left handedness, and so far are we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about how hard it is to actually define it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're going to talk about what actually causes it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it hereditary or random? Or are there other reasons

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<v Speaker 1>why you choose to use one hand over the other.

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<v Speaker 1>To help answer these questions, I reached out to another

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<v Speaker 1>scientist who spent decades studying this phenomenon. Here's my conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with doctor Sebastian Oglenburg. Well, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us at you're Okenburg.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much for inviting me. I'm a germ

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<v Speaker 4>professor of a research method in psychology at medical school

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<v Speaker 4>in Hamburg and Northern Germany, and I spent the last

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<v Speaker 4>twenty years doing research on left handedness and vainness symmetries.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm really interested in understanding why people are left

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<v Speaker 4>tended and what it means to be left handed.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing that's perfect for us today.

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<v Speaker 4>So left tendedness is, of course, on the surface, it's

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<v Speaker 4>a preference in behavior, like people who are left tended

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<v Speaker 4>like to use their left hand to do things like

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<v Speaker 4>writing or drawing or using scissors. But handedness has nothing

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<v Speaker 4>to do with the hands themselves, despite the name. If

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<v Speaker 4>you ever looked at the hands the left hand and

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<v Speaker 4>right hand, you would not be able to distinguish just

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<v Speaker 4>by looking at the hand whose left handed, whose right

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<v Speaker 4>handed right?

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<v Speaker 2>So they're looking pretty identical.

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<v Speaker 4>So handedness is something that has not much to do

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<v Speaker 4>with the hands, but a lot to do with the brain.

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<v Speaker 4>So what handedness is is a form of so called

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<v Speaker 4>hemispheric asymmetries, meaning that our brain has two halves, and

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<v Speaker 4>these two halves both do amazing things, but they do

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit different things, and handedness is one form

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<v Speaker 4>of these symmetries.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you give us other examples of brain asymmetries.

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<v Speaker 4>So these brain asymmetries are quite common, and there's a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of things in a brain that are asymmetric. The

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<v Speaker 4>most well known example language, so we know that for

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<v Speaker 4>most people, language to speaking to other people and understanding

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<v Speaker 4>what they're saying is controlled largely, not exclusively, by the

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<v Speaker 4>left side of the brain. So for example, if you

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<v Speaker 4>ever had a relative who suffered a stroke to the

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<v Speaker 4>left side of the brain, they have severe problems with

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<v Speaker 4>speaking in the weeks and months after they had the stroke.

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<v Speaker 4>People who have a right sided stroke typically do not

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<v Speaker 4>have this language problem. Other things that are quite come

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<v Speaker 4>are the processing of faces. So for me, like to

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<v Speaker 4>recognize your face, this is something that is mostly done

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<v Speaker 4>by my right hemisphere, so it's a specific area called

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<v Speaker 4>the fusiform face area that is located on the right

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<v Speaker 4>side in most people, and so on. So there are

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<v Speaker 4>many other things like visospatial attention, recognizing bodies of other people,

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<v Speaker 4>mathematical operations, so a lot of things that are complicated

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<v Speaker 4>and hard to do are organized in asymmetric networks, and

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<v Speaker 4>handedness is one form of these the symmetry so it

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<v Speaker 4>is a dominance of the motocortex, so the brain areas

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<v Speaker 4>that are controlling our movements for things like writing, drawing,

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<v Speaker 4>and so on. What we would call fine motor movements.

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<v Speaker 4>So left handers have a right hemispheric motor dominance body

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<v Speaker 4>sphinx and right handers a left hemispheric dominance because the

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<v Speaker 4>left side of the brain is controlling the right side

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<v Speaker 4>of the body and vice versa.

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<v Speaker 1>WHOA, what does it mean dominant? It means it's better

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<v Speaker 1>at things, or it it just kind of asserts control

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<v Speaker 1>of things. What does dominant mean?

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<v Speaker 2>It means several things.

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<v Speaker 4>So for the one part, it means if you like

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<v Speaker 4>decide consciously or subconsciously, like you want to draw a picture,

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<v Speaker 4>then generally you would decide for your dominant hands. So

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<v Speaker 4>on one part of it, it is a preference that

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<v Speaker 4>you're having as a person. But this preference also goes

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<v Speaker 4>along with differences in skill. So even if you would

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<v Speaker 4>like draw with your nondamental left hand, you would not

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<v Speaker 4>be able as much as you try to make the

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<v Speaker 4>same quality of drawing, so there is a difference in skill.

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<v Speaker 4>There's also neurobiological differences. So typically in a right hander,

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<v Speaker 4>so the part of the motor cortex is representing the

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<v Speaker 4>hand would be larger and have differential connections. So it's

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<v Speaker 4>something that also develops over the course of your lifetime

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<v Speaker 4>because your networks are not like completely fixed at birth.

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<v Speaker 4>By you know, using your dominant hand more over your lifetime,

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<v Speaker 4>you also strengthen connections to other networks in your brain.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's the mixture of preference, skill, ill you're adda

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<v Speaker 4>to me, and folastic training processes over the coursing f

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<v Speaker 4>life time.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that is very complicated. So handedness is a property

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<v Speaker 1>of your brain, not your actual hands, and it has

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the fact that your brain, for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things, is a symmetrical It has two sides,

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<v Speaker 1>and one side just happens to be more dominant for

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<v Speaker 1>how you plan to move your body. For right handed people,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the left side of your brain, and for left

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<v Speaker 1>handed people it's the right side of the brain. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>Now the question is what causes one side of your

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<v Speaker 1>brain to be more dominant and why is it that

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<v Speaker 1>ninety percent of the time it ends up making people

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<v Speaker 1>right handed versus ten percent of the time it makes

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<v Speaker 1>them left handed. What causes left handedness? Like what causes

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<v Speaker 1>for a right handed person, I need that left brain

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<v Speaker 1>preference and skill and eventual training.

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<v Speaker 4>So we know this is odso not as simple as

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<v Speaker 4>people thought. So it is a trade that has substantial

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<v Speaker 4>genetic contributions but also non genetic contributions. So there's a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of exciting, large scale cooperative research that has shown

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<v Speaker 4>that there's about forty eight locations in the genome that

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<v Speaker 4>are relevant for handedness.

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<v Speaker 2>You said, so it's forty eight.

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<v Speaker 4>That the play roles quite interesting that the familial handedness

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<v Speaker 4>has a strong effect on the child's handedness.

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<v Speaker 2>With two left handed parents would.

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<v Speaker 4>Get a child, the child as a much higher chance

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<v Speaker 4>with also being left handed than the child of two

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<v Speaker 4>right handed parents, And the same goes if there's just

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<v Speaker 4>like one right handed one left handed parent, and the

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<v Speaker 4>child would be intermediate.

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<v Speaker 2>I see.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we have a sense of what percentage left handedness

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<v Speaker 1>is due to genetics?

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<v Speaker 4>So we know from in studies and from other family

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<v Speaker 4>studies it's probably around twenty five percent, which would mean

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<v Speaker 4>there are seventy five percent of factors that are not

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<v Speaker 4>directly explained by it. Wow, But it's also not generally

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<v Speaker 4>very well understood whether remaining a seventy.

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<v Speaker 2>Five percent come from I see.

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<v Speaker 4>So they seem to be like sort of individual biological

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<v Speaker 4>processes in a person that happens that might also be

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<v Speaker 4>due to genetics, but are not caught very well, and

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<v Speaker 4>these like twin family designed. So there's an ongoing discussion

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<v Speaker 4>about this percentage because it seems to be quite low,

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<v Speaker 4>so it might be higher.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I see it might be higher than twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five percent genetic, but not necessarily meaning the cost could

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<v Speaker 1>be more genetic, but we don't know. Yes, yes, left

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<v Speaker 1>handedness is not completely genetic. If both of your parents

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<v Speaker 1>are left handed, then you do have a higher chance

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<v Speaker 1>also being left handed, but it's not guaranteed. According to

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<v Speaker 1>our experts, there's no one gene that makes you left handed.

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<v Speaker 1>Scientists have found forty eight gens that seem to be involved,

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<v Speaker 1>and they only predict about twenty five percent of left handedness.

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<v Speaker 1>The rest could be things in your environment.

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<v Speaker 4>There are also a couple of environmental, non genetic factors

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<v Speaker 4>that play a role. For example, gender actually does so

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<v Speaker 4>men are more likely to be left handed than women.

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<v Speaker 4>There's also a couple other things, for example, people who

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<v Speaker 4>have been like rest fed and for a higher chance

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<v Speaker 4>of being right handed.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, so breastfeeding has something to do with it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a very curious finding. So it seems to

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<v Speaker 4>be a rather strong effect, which I don't think is

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<v Speaker 4>well understood on a neurobiological level, but it seems to

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<v Speaker 4>be there's an early effect of some sexophmoons on hand

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<v Speaker 4>that's development of brainer symmetries.

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<v Speaker 1>So the basic picture here is that handedness. Whether you

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<v Speaker 1>prefer to use your right or left hand, but whether

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<v Speaker 1>one hand is more skilled than the other, is all

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<v Speaker 1>in your brain, and a lot can happen to your brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Starting from the time you're growing inside your mother's womb

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<v Speaker 1>as a fetus, your body basically has to start taking sides.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, at some point yourselves have to decide which

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<v Speaker 1>side of your body to grow the heart in. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a given that your heart will be on

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<v Speaker 1>the left side of your chest. About one in twelve

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<v Speaker 1>thousand babies conceived half dexterocardia, or the heart on the

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<v Speaker 1>right side of the chest. There have even been cases

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<v Speaker 1>of people finding out late in life that they have it.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty three, who was reported in a medical

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<v Speaker 1>journal that a perfectly healthy man one hundred and two

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<v Speaker 1>years old went in for cataract surgery and during the

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<v Speaker 1>checkup was stunned to find out his heart was on

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<v Speaker 1>his right side. So you might want to double check

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<v Speaker 1>that your heart is in the right place or the

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<v Speaker 1>left place. I mean, but that's basically what happens with

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<v Speaker 1>left handedness. According to doctor Okelenburg, when your fetus yourselves

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<v Speaker 1>essentially start to pick which side of your brain will

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<v Speaker 1>have the more dominant motor cortex. You can even start

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<v Speaker 1>to see it and which hand the fetus uses.

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<v Speaker 4>More So, if you look at altsound recordings of unborn fetuses,

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<v Speaker 4>you could see that they already have some sort of preference.

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<v Speaker 4>For example, they interact with their left or right hump

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit more than by the other one. And

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<v Speaker 4>if you then wait for the baby to be born

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<v Speaker 4>and test them during school, then these like prenatal preferences

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<v Speaker 4>forehand use predict the writing handedness with more than ninety

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<v Speaker 4>five percent of curiosity.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, scientists aren't really sure why your body picks one

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<v Speaker 1>side or the other. It seems to be a combination

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<v Speaker 1>of genes and hormones, and as we talked about before,

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<v Speaker 1>this can also change after you're born, depending on what

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<v Speaker 1>you're tagged as a kid. But here's the next big question,

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<v Speaker 1>why even pick aside at all? What's the point of

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<v Speaker 1>being handed? Why couldn't we all just be Ambidexter's or

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<v Speaker 1>just as good with the left hand as the right hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did humans evolve to have a hand preference? And

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<v Speaker 1>are we the only animal in nature the ad has it.

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<v Speaker 1>When we come back, I'll hand it over to our

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<v Speaker 1>experts to answer these questions. So don't lose your grip

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<v Speaker 1>on this podcast. We'll be right back. Hey, we'll come back.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about left handedness with two scientists, and so

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<v Speaker 1>far we've learned that the handedness sort of lies on

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<v Speaker 1>a spectrum. Most people are strongly right hand and that

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<v Speaker 1>a few people are strongly left handed, and some people

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<v Speaker 1>are somewhere in between. We also learned scientists aren't sure

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<v Speaker 1>what causes handedness. There are about forty eight genes associated

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<v Speaker 1>with it, but how those genes affect which of your

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<v Speaker 1>mortar cortex areas turns out to be the dominant one

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<v Speaker 1>is still a mystery. And apparently these genes only account

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<v Speaker 1>for about twenty five percent of whether you're right or

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<v Speaker 1>left handed. The other seventy five percent could be environmental

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<v Speaker 1>factors or hidden deeper in your genetic code. But now

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to tackle an even bigger question, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why are we handed in the first place, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>why pick aside, why aren't we all ambi dextrics. As

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out, humans are not the only animal that

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<v Speaker 1>takes up paw. You've written about the idea that there's

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<v Speaker 1>handedness or potness in animals.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so in general, I've worked a lot on this.

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<v Speaker 4>I think back in the day, people always thought did

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<v Speaker 4>only humans show handedness? Because all humans right, But of

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<v Speaker 4>course you cannot have a look at the writing patterns

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<v Speaker 4>of a cat because they rarely use pets.

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<v Speaker 2>But at some point people.

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<v Speaker 4>Started to look at poor preferences or flipper preferences or

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<v Speaker 4>whatever in animals, using experimental designs that would allow them

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<v Speaker 4>to actually measure normal behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the animal.

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<v Speaker 4>And what you find, Dan is that most animal species

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<v Speaker 4>actually show left and right handedness. So asn enormous amount

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<v Speaker 4>of studies on that. It's just just like more than

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<v Speaker 4>one hundred different species it's been investigated, and I think

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<v Speaker 4>the general pattern is that a lot of species show

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<v Speaker 4>sort of like individual preferences.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you.

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<v Speaker 4>Look at a cat, most cats would have rather strong preference.

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<v Speaker 2>For the right side or the left side.

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<v Speaker 4>So what you could do, for example, if you have

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<v Speaker 4>a cat at home, you want who knows the cat

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<v Speaker 4>left port the right port. You could do something it's

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<v Speaker 4>called the food reaching task. So you take like the

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<v Speaker 4>little inlet from a toilet paper roll, close up one

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<v Speaker 4>side with a little bit of like a cling wrap

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<v Speaker 4>foil or whatever, and then you put like some like

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<v Speaker 4>cat food tokens into this toilet paper roll and just

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<v Speaker 4>have a look whether the cat is reaching into it

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<v Speaker 4>with the left or the right paw. So if you

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<v Speaker 4>use these kind of things, you typically find that individual

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<v Speaker 4>cat has portaners. But in generally for a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>animal species, left portners is more common than in humans.

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<v Speaker 4>So we had this large meta analysis in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 4>about human handedness showing it's ten point six a percent

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<v Speaker 4>of people are left handed, but if you look at

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<v Speaker 4>cats or dogs, it's more like thirty to forty percent

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<v Speaker 4>of animals being left pot So it seems to be

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<v Speaker 4>animals do have handedness, but for a lot of animals species,

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<v Speaker 4>left handedness left partners is much more common than in humans,

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<v Speaker 4>so it goes more into like an equal distribution. There's

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<v Speaker 4>also research with animals in the laboratory. So for example,

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<v Speaker 4>people go to cat or dog hotels and ask the

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<v Speaker 4>owners whether they can test their animals there while the

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<v Speaker 4>owner's own vocation do a little bit of like interactions

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<v Speaker 4>with them and then find out whether they're left or

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<v Speaker 4>right port and be for example, also have some like

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<v Speaker 4>citizen science projects where we ask people to record their

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<v Speaker 4>animals with a smartphone while they are doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically the scientific work.

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<v Speaker 4>So there is a really big amount of research on

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<v Speaker 4>animal hotness and handedness and generally shows humans are not

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<v Speaker 4>unique or special in that.

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<v Speaker 2>They have handedness. Most animal species have.

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<v Speaker 1>It too, I see, but we're sort of unique in

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<v Speaker 1>how much more prevalient right handedness is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's not completely unique.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's also some parrot species to have about similar

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<v Speaker 4>distributions of actually left.

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<v Speaker 1>Clawdness really the way there are parents that skew the

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<v Speaker 1>other way. They're like ninety percent left handed, left clawed.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, left footed, claud whatever. There's a lot of research

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<v Speaker 4>coming from Australia on that. So if you look at birds,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of birds don't do a lot of food

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<v Speaker 4>handling with their claws, So parrots actually are species that

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<v Speaker 4>do handle food and they also do other like a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit more complicated tasks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it turns out humans are not the only animals

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<v Speaker 1>with handedness or a side preference. Lots of animals have it,

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<v Speaker 1>even down to flatworms which don't even have a brain.

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<v Speaker 1>But that still doesn't answer the question of why this

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<v Speaker 1>preference exists. Well, according to doctor Auglenburg, you might all

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<v Speaker 1>have to do with efficient See.

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<v Speaker 2>Why does this happen?

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<v Speaker 4>I think this is sort of like a way of

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<v Speaker 4>making our brains more efficient. Your brain is about two

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<v Speaker 4>percent or so, depending a little bit of my over

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<v Speaker 4>body weight, but it takes about twenty percent of all

0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:21.520
<v Speaker 4>the calories I'm taking in to keeping it working. And

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<v Speaker 4>so if you know the brain is the most energy

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<v Speaker 4>hungry organ in the body, then it makes a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of sense that you specialize that you have like networks

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<v Speaker 4>that are only on one side, because if you double them,

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<v Speaker 4>like for example, kidney or something, you would like increase

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<v Speaker 4>the energy amount the organism needs without having like a

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<v Speaker 4>direct gain in the situation. And the other thing is

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<v Speaker 4>also if you do not take some like measures to

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<v Speaker 4>make the brain efficient and as small as possible, at

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<v Speaker 4>some point, umes would have been like really large heads,

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<v Speaker 4>which would have all sorts of problems, for example, doing birth,

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<v Speaker 4>doing like everyday life. You don't want to have a

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<v Speaker 4>head like four times the size.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, if we hadn't specialized the hemispheres, you mean.

0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So if you hadn't blessed the hemispheres and you

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.800
<v Speaker 4>would double everything in the brain, you would have had

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 4>a much larger head. Right, So this would not be

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<v Speaker 4>good for a number of reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, that makes sense. We didn't involve to be

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<v Speaker 1>ambidexrous because for the most part, we don't really need

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 1>two dexterus hands. It's more efficient to invest brain resources

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 1>into making one of your hands more skilled than the other,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's probably good enough for most tasks like using

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<v Speaker 1>a tool or picking apart some food. But that still

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 1>doesn't explain why humans are sort of unique having one

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:47.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of hand inness be more common than the other.

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<v Speaker 1>As we mentioned before, most other animals have a nearly

0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:55.160
<v Speaker 1>equal split between right and left handers or powers, but

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<v Speaker 1>in humans, ninety percent of people are right handed. Why

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<v Speaker 1>is that well? One idea, according totor Oglnburg, is that

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<v Speaker 1>having most people need the same handed makes it easier

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<v Speaker 1>to teach each other.

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<v Speaker 4>And one of the ideas that it is just like

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<v Speaker 4>easier to learn like a complicated thing if you.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't have to like also mimor reverse it in your brain.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, So if you're right handed, it's easier to learn

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:24.280
<v Speaker 4>writing from a right handed person because you can just

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<v Speaker 4>like copy what.

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<v Speaker 2>They're doing compared to a left handed person.

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<v Speaker 4>So this ease of training and highly complicated things is

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<v Speaker 4>something that is one of the hypothesis widest is such

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<v Speaker 4>a strong right sided preference.

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<v Speaker 1>I see and I read that there's something called the

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<v Speaker 1>fighting hypothesis related to sort of the evolution of handedness.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 4>So there is a hypothesis that tries to link handedness

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<v Speaker 4>directly to some sort of evolutionary survival fitness advantage. And

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<v Speaker 4>the idea behind this is that left handers have a

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<v Speaker 4>sort of like advantage in fighting in combat sports. It's

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<v Speaker 4>very well known and there's a lot of research paper

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.920
<v Speaker 4>showing that. For example, I think like boxing, because a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of people that do fight they've been trained in

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<v Speaker 4>like fighting right handed opponents, which means that if you

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<v Speaker 4>face the left handed opponents and they're attacking from basically

0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 4>the other side, you might have less experience in this

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 4>sort of combat situation, and then the left tender might

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:34.680
<v Speaker 4>have a advantage. And this sort of like shows pretty

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<v Speaker 4>well if you look at the sports for things like, oh,

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 4>you call it like fencing. So the fighting advantage hypothesis

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<v Speaker 4>is that left handers may stay in the population because

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<v Speaker 4>they have a survival fitness advantage in fighting, but only

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<v Speaker 4>as long as they're rare. If there's a lot of

0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:57.920
<v Speaker 4>left handers there would be sort of like then destroying

0:32:57.920 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 4>the advantage because then they're not very surprising anymore. Right, right,

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:06.800
<v Speaker 4>And it's a bit of an ongoing discussion whether you

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<v Speaker 4>can explain behavior like directly with these fitness advantages, because

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<v Speaker 4>I mean not sure how many fights you or your

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<v Speaker 4>ancestors ever got that had direct relevance for your survial.

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<v Speaker 4>So I would say it's a hypothesis. I would take

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<v Speaker 4>it with a grain of salt.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, last question, anything else you think people should know

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<v Speaker 1>about left handedness.

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<v Speaker 4>I generally would say, your handedness is something that refers

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<v Speaker 4>to the motor cortex. And if you look at like

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<v Speaker 4>the largest meta studies integrating research over the last couple

0:33:44.080 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 4>decades as pretty convincing evidence that left handedness and intelligence

0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 4>is not linked, so leatenders and right handers.

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<v Speaker 2>Seem to be equally smart and capable.

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<v Speaker 4>The same goes also for creativity, there was always this

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:03.160
<v Speaker 4>idea left handers some more creative, and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite interesting if you look at it.

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<v Speaker 4>If you ask left and right handed people whether they

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 4>believe left handers are more creative than right handers, is

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:17.040
<v Speaker 4>a ginormously strong statistical effect. So everybody believes left hand

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:18.920
<v Speaker 4>is some more creative than right handers.

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 2>And actually parents use this that advice.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, so you're really having a left handed child, you

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:25.359
<v Speaker 4>tell him become an.

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Artist or you become a rock star, whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you actually have left handers right handers create art,

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:35.719
<v Speaker 4>and then you take like artists who are experts in

0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:39.920
<v Speaker 4>this field and let them rate the products, there's absolutely

0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:43.879
<v Speaker 4>no difference. So I think in general you should think

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<v Speaker 4>of handedness and something that is referring to the motorabilities.

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<v Speaker 4>It's caused by the mortal cortex and does not have

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<v Speaker 4>any sort of strong effect on like how smart you are, creative,

0:34:56.400 --> 0:35:00.239
<v Speaker 4>you're any other like brain abilities, because it's just is

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 4>not affecting the brain networks that do these things. Anything

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 4>related to thinking or this idea there's sort of like

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<v Speaker 4>a coherent left handed personality.

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:16.360
<v Speaker 2>They're rere spirited, creative thinkers and stuff like that.

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:20.960
<v Speaker 4>That's just very like old ideas that did not hold

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:21.799
<v Speaker 4>up very well.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, left handers.

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<v Speaker 1>So, left handers, is there anything else you think people

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<v Speaker 1>should know about left handedness or handedness in general.

0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:34.399
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it's very important to look at left

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:38.320
<v Speaker 3>handedness as a normal form of handedness. There's nothing abnormal

0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:41.600
<v Speaker 3>about it. They are just different in many ways.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is.

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<v Speaker 3>Really something that you cannot just change the handedness just

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<v Speaker 3>by writing with that hand.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're saying that trying to switch someone doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>just automatically flip the brain. It's like you're really forcing

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<v Speaker 1>something that the brain is not predisposed to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's well said. You know that's not anything. So

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<v Speaker 3>go to an occupation service, have been tested out and

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<v Speaker 3>make sure that the child writes with the right hand.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it was correct, yes, right, not the right hand,

0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 1>the correct hand. That's funny, all right. Well, it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like the question of why some people are left handed

0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:20.919
<v Speaker 1>is still a bit of a mystery. We know a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's still a lot we don't know. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we just need to wait for the right person to

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