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Speaker 1: What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's great to be with you. Man. Excited it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're back here again. And now the Giants

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Speaker 2: You followed the league obviously on the draft, given the

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Speaker 2: what the top of the draft quarterback market might look like,

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Speaker 2: given where the Giants are. If I give you the

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there's some urgency, you know, of addressing

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Speaker 3: and help you win football games right now. And it's

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Speaker 3: crazy to say it with a team that's picking this

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Speaker 3: they go into the NFC Championship game with Washington. So

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Speaker 3: you know, if you tell me, I can find a

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Speaker 3: way to get Matthew Stafford to New York. You're not

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Speaker 3: gonna have to part with that third overall pick. You're

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, I look up and Travis Hunter ends up,

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Speaker 3: now you've got Matthew Stafford. Now does this solve your

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Speaker 1: No, but this gets you right back on track a

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Speaker 3: So that would be the That would be my first

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Speaker 2: All right, So now Joe talked about he wants a

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Speaker 2: I think we felt pretty good about three, maybe more

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Speaker 2: Do you think there's a quarterback in this draft to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think cam Ward has that, you know in him. Now,

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Speaker 3: it's cam Wart's tricky because you get caught and I've

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Speaker 3: well he's all this raw talent, you just need to

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Speaker 2: Like Lenia, there was a shovel passhere, We just threw

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Speaker 3: You can watch the Cow game and you'll see a

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back in time a little bit because

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Speaker 2: I think twenty eighteen draft was the Donald Draft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Donald was my top quarterback that year because I

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Speaker 2: cam Ward, there were some decision making at me and

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Speaker 3: Well, I think you have to know who you you

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Speaker 3: think Sam Donold's a great point. He went to a

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Speaker 1: They need to get better.

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Speaker 3: You have a number one weapon, you know, a big

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about Shidor Sanders now, because I'm

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Speaker 2: So when you try to figure out where you want

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think I think that it's a floor ceiling argument.

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Speaker 3: So there's there's some toolsy guys coming down the pipeline.

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Speaker 3: deep dive there, and we've seen like quinn Ewers is

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Speaker 3: a great example of someone who piqued your interest when

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Speaker 1: Didn't go the way that he would have hoped. So

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Speaker 2: It really is, and I hate to do it. Final question,

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Speaker 2: the you know, a plus superstar toolsy quarterback. But two,

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Speaker 2: they can still get one of.

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Speaker 1: The two guys right, They can get on.

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Speaker 2: Right, and I think those two guys are probably a

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Speaker 2: get their guys.

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Speaker 1: I think I have a lot better answer for you

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Speaker 1: after this week.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you start seeing you know what that

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Speaker 1: And we're not gonna see him throw here?

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Speaker 3: But as coaches, offensive coordinator, quarterback coaches get their chances

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Speaker 3: hoping for a divide. You're hoping that cam Ward you know,

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Speaker 3: We'll get one of these guys will be okay.

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Speaker 1: Now you start getting the snare you mentioned, maybe it's

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Speaker 1: two twos.

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