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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale LOLLI. He is the Rob

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Speaker 2: King sitting in for Matt william This is the drive

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Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio. This is the start of hour

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Speaker 2: number two. And usually at this time of year, Matt

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Speaker 2: and I will do the Fantasy Football Focus. Not going

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Speaker 2: to put Rob through that today, but Rob, you better

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Speaker 2: start tuning in on your you got to get ready

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Speaker 2: for the Fantasy Football Focus. Fantasy and we usually just

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Speaker 2: talk one segment of fantasy football because it's relevant to

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Speaker 2: the game. I mean, you learn there are lots of

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Speaker 2: like people ask Matt or myself all the time, where

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Speaker 2: do you get some of these stats that you come

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Speaker 2: up with a lot of it's fantasy football related, sure,

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Speaker 2: because these guys there there is so many websites out

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Speaker 2: there now that do fantasy stuff and they come up

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Speaker 2: with some of these these these cool stats that you

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Speaker 2: you know quite quite frankly the quote unquote legacy media,

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Speaker 2: we haven't we haven't come up with those. That's that's

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Speaker 2: coming out of the fantasy right.

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Speaker 3: Well as somebody who had a successful fantasy season year.

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Speaker 3: There you go, Thank you very much, and believe me,

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Speaker 3: I've had unsuccessful fantasy seasons in the past, so we

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Speaker 3: need to get you in your league.

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Speaker 2: Matt and I are in one league together. It's one

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Speaker 2: is my like original league that that that I did

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Speaker 2: with a bunch of the guys that I worked with

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Speaker 2: at the Observer Reporter. Right, We've kept it together over

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Speaker 2: the years, but I've added, like Matt, Matt's now part

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Speaker 2: of this this league, so it just gives us a

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Speaker 2: little bragging rights.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think you know the couple of things about

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Speaker 3: fantasy football that are not real football, right, like how

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Speaker 3: you value a player. And it's the same thing with baseball. Right,

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Speaker 3: Like baseball, a guy can be a five tool player,

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Speaker 3: but he's more of a defense kind of guy. Well,

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Speaker 3: I didn't play in fantasy.

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Speaker 2: Blake Mortals is the perfect example. Blake Mortals in whatever

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Speaker 2: year that was two thousand and sixteen or seventeen, whatever

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Speaker 2: year it was, was not a good quarterback, right, But

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Speaker 2: and I had him on my I had them on

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Speaker 2: my team, I would start him. Do you think he

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Speaker 2: threw like thirty three touchdown passes that year? They were

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Speaker 2: so bad, he had to be good exactly, so he

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Speaker 2: would got like, are you sitting there in the fourth

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Speaker 2: going into the fourth quarter, he'd have like seven points

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Speaker 2: right by the end of the fourth quarter because they're

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Speaker 2: down three touchdowns exactly, all of a sudden, now he's

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Speaker 2: got twenty three points. I'm like, oh, that was a

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Speaker 2: pretty good day.

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Speaker 3: That's that's a big one. And the other one is

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Speaker 3: the defense that dominates a team but doesn't put up

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Speaker 3: great stats. Yeah right, you know. So you beat a

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Speaker 3: team seventeen to three, it's a it's a kind of

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Speaker 3: a close game.

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Speaker 2: You didn't have any turn unforcing turnover sack.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and your team, your defense winds up with two points.

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Speaker 3: Like they dominate for they're the best team.

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Speaker 2: Their offense turned the ball over once and gave the

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Speaker 2: team a gimme touchdown. So seventeen ten your defense dominated

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Speaker 2: the game, but you don't even get the bonus points

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Speaker 2: for a shutout or holding them under ten points.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it does make you And one of the

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Speaker 3: things that I appreciated what I went way back when

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Speaker 3: I did it with baseball. I haven't done it in

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Speaker 3: baseball in years. I liked being in National League only leagues,

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Speaker 3: because you know, if you start spreading around, you know,

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Speaker 3: if you have an all star team, if you just

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Speaker 3: have an all star team, well, if you do nationally only,

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Speaker 3: you better know the fourth outfielder you know on the

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati Red or the Atlanta Braids, or you better know

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Speaker 3: you know the census seven really around those teams. That's right.

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Speaker 3: You can't just get away with, you know, sort of

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Speaker 3: superficial knowledge. So for people like us, I always thought

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Well, the first the first year I did

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Speaker 2: fantasy baseball, and this is going back to the early nineties. Actually, yeah,

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Speaker 2: remember the book the guy who wrote it now, but

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Speaker 2: he had it was a Fantasy foot Baseball Bible, and

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Speaker 2: like James Wad and I said, let's do this. Everybody

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Speaker 2: think there were ten of us, so we had eleven teams.

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Speaker 2: what we had to pick from. The trade deadline was

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Speaker 2: like you know, because we had you know, like four

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Speaker 2: that's exactly right, and you know it was, but it

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Speaker 2: was you knew everybody on that roster, yep, everybody.

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Speaker 3: And that was back in the day when it was

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Speaker 3: called because I think the guys who came up with

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Speaker 3: the guidelines for fantasy met at a Chicken place or

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what we call We're the row Tissary League.

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Speaker 3: That great stuff.

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Speaker 2: But again, you you learn so much more about the

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Speaker 2: game other than just the the looking at the stat line, right,

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Speaker 2: you know. And I used to have to do the

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Speaker 2: I would do the the I was since I was

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Speaker 2: right like for all the teams, Like okay, here's here's

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Speaker 2: what your stats were last week. Okay, here's what they

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Speaker 2: are this week. I'd look at who the different players are.

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Speaker 2: It was a process, I mean really, because again we

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Speaker 2: didn't just use National League. We had both both leagues,

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Speaker 2: a lot about the game. I learned a lot. I was.

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Speaker 2: I've always been a stats guy, right, but that made

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Speaker 3: And one of the things I think with stats is

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Speaker 3: stats have to be contextualized. So there are a lot

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Speaker 3: you have to massage statistics. Can I give you one example? Okay,

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Speaker 3: so when I was in college and I was finishing

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Speaker 3: doing in a computer programming class? But I was in one,

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Speaker 3: and there have been an NBA dispersal draft. So I

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Speaker 3: here's how it should have been done. Right. So I

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Speaker 3: I gotta I gottad because I luckily the professor didn't

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Speaker 2: I would get into that discussion with David Todd all

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Speaker 2: the time when he was doing nine to seventy because

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Speaker 2: he was a big analytics guy, and I yelled, I said, look,

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Speaker 2: analytics have a place. Analytics have a place, but you can't.

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Speaker 2: Football is different. Like if when I'm coaching baseball, if

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Speaker 2: I've got a kid who I got who hits left

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Speaker 2: I know that, so I put him. There was one

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Speaker 2: year I'm coaching my team. We had it was a

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Speaker 2: We've played them three times this year. So I go back,

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Speaker 2: I go go over my book. I know who they

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Speaker 2: my six hitter is eight for ten against their starting

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Speaker 2: the guy they're going to start against me this season.

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Speaker 2: I bump him up to the three hole because he's

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Speaker 2: eight for ten. That's not that's not insignificant that he's

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Speaker 2: And my assistant coaches when I when I show up

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Speaker 2: porten against Steven. I like, oh, I wouldn't have thought

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Speaker 2: But football, to me is different in that there's eleven

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is the Rob King,

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Speaker 2: sitting in for a vacationing Matt. Matt takes a lot

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Speaker 2: oldest son, who we just talked about, is getting married

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00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 2: this year right before the football season. So no vacations for.

433
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 3: Me gradually or stuff.

434
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 2: And that's tough to pay for it. Yeah, just all this,

435
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,240
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff going on. But anyways, So Rob,

436
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 2: looking here at the thirty third team. Ian Valentino has

437
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 2: redrafted the first round of last year's draft one year later, okay,

438
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 2: saying who the team picked and then who they should

439
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,119
Speaker 2: have picked based on what happened last year, how they played. Okay,

440
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,480
Speaker 2: so I thought we'd take a look at that. There's

441
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,719
Speaker 2: some Steelers featured in this one pretty early. Okay, so

442
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 2: let's let's take a look here. And obviously the Steelers

443
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,200
Speaker 2: have a pick as well. So looking at the twenty

444
00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 2: twenty three Redraft number one pick he has of course,

445
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 2: the Carolina Panthers took Bryce Young last year.

446
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 3: He no, no, no, no, but guess, let me guess.

447
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 3: He says they should have taken CEJ. Strew.

448
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 2: You are correct.

449
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm one for one. All right, good job.

450
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 2: There you go. Number two pick, the Houston Texans took

451
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 2: Will Anderson, the edge rusher out of Alabama.

452
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 3: And the Houston Texans should have taken Will Anderson the

453
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 3: edge rusher.

454
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 2: Und No, he has Anthony Richardson. Now, remember they had

455
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 2: two picks here, right because they traded up. So he

456
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: has him taking Anthony Richardson. Matt sold on Anthony richards

457
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 2: And he thinks he's going to be a player more

458
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 2: so for fantasy football, I think than regular football. I'm not.

459
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: I don't know about Anthony Richardson. The inaccuracy, to me

460
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 2: is an issue. Will Anderson's really good, and Will Anderson's good. Yeah,

461
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 2: he was the defensive rookie of the year.

462
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was the defensive rookie of the year. Okay,

463
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 3: all right, I think I would have stuck with Will Anderson.

464
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 2: Well. At three, the Houston Texans take they took Stroud

465
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 2: last year. At three, he has him taking will Anderson

466
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 2: semanics the second.

467
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 3: All right, So you know what I don't. I don't.

468
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,479
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with them taking Richardson and.

469
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 2: Anderson either way, they're going to end up with right.

470
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 2: At four, the Indianapolis Colts, who took Richardson at four, instead,

471
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 2: they take Jaylen Carter, the defensive tackle out of Georgia,

472
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 2: who had said went to the Eagles.

473
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 3: Right, that was a really good pick for the pick.

474
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:57,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, all right. At five,

475
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 2: the Seattle Seahawks took Devon Withers Spoon, the cornerback out

476
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: of Illinois. He once again has them taking Devin Witherson.

477
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, makes sense.

478
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: At six, the Arizona Cardinals took Paris Johnson. He's sticking

479
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: with Paris Johnson at that pick, yep.

480
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, those are nice guys to have.

481
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 2: At seven, the Las Vegas Raiders took Tyree Wilson, the

482
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: edge Rusher out of Texas Tech. He really didn't do

483
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 2: much last year. Instead, he has them taking Puka and

484
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 2: the Kua the wide receiver at a B C E Yu. Wow.

485
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 3: From where where do go the fifth round? Yeah?

486
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: Wow? I don't know that that. I think pookin the

487
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 2: Coula works well in the in the Rams offense. I

488
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 2: don't know if Pook and the Coula was on another

489
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 2: team that he would be quite as impactful. Yeah. I

490
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 2: think he's still be good, don't get me wrong, But

491
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: I don't know that he would have the impact that

492
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 2: he had last year for the Rams.

493
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 3: You know, it's a it's a really interesting question. And

494
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 3: you know, one guy I would think about making comparison

495
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 3: with was Antonio Brown because I think a lot of

496
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: people when he was selected, and this is what happens

497
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 3: when you're taken late, right, you're taking later in the draft,

498
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 3: is that people don't quite want to believe it because

499
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 3: you don't have that pedigree. And when you think about

500
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 3: top picks, and so I think there's a little bit

501
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 3: of two thought processes that go in mind when a

502
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 3: top pick gets chance after a chance after chance. One

503
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 3: is that you picked him for a reason, right, you

504
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 3: believe he.

505
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 2: Had the trades, had the college career.

506
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 3: The second part I think is also relevant. I think

507
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 3: sometimes people conflate the two and say, well, they're just

508
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: covering their their butt, you know what I mean. They're

509
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: covering themselves because they've got a lot of invested in

510
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 3: this guy and he needs to pan out. I do

511
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 3: think that is part two of the reason. But I

512
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: think part one is you believed in the guy. That's

513
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 3: why you picked him fifth or sixth overall. So pukaku.

514
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 3: I remember people talking about Antonio Brown and saying, wow,

515
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: is he really a number one receiver because he wasn't

516
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: six foot four you know, the six foot four inch

517
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: receiver that was in vogue at that time as the

518
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: number one and remains in vogue. The big guys, you know,

519
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 3: the Justin Jefferson's, the Jamar chases the guys like that.

520
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 3: But as it turned out, yes, of course he was.

521
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: So maybe a year or two from now, we're going

522
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 3: to look back and say, oh, puking a coop, of

523
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 3: course he's that guy. But I'm with you. I don't

524
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: think that would be the guy I would take at

525
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 3: that point. But I could very well be wrong.

526
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 2: Especially not for the Raiders. They have receivers, they got

527
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 2: Davante Adams, they you know, they've they've got guys there

528
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: that are that are good.

529
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 3: I think, is he just going is he going with

530
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 3: fit or is he just going with quality of players?

531
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 3: Kind of a little bit of both.

532
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: Probably probably. I mean they have to DeVante Adams, ja

533
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: Kobe Myers. Like, where does poking the kupa fit into

534
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: that mix?

535
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 3: Yeah? To me, I I I guess, you know, I

536
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 3: guess if he's as good as if he's legitimately as

537
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 3: good as he looked with the Rams, and it's not

538
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 3: a matter of a system and a terrific coach and

539
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 3: a good quarterback and all that stuff, then the answers

540
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 3: to where he fits in is anywhere? Right? No, no

541
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: doubt he's that good.

542
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he's that good, all right? At eight? I'm

543
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 2: sorry the Atlanta Falcons took Jon Robinson at eight instead,

544
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 2: he has them taking Christian Gonzalez, the cornerback out of Oregon.

545
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 2: Now he played four games last year. Much like Anthony Richardson,

546
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 2: I think Christian Gonzalez is going to be good. I

547
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: liked him in the draft. I thought he might be

548
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 2: a Steeler but I don't know if I'm taking them

549
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 2: over Bjeon Robinson.

550
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 3: I agree with you. I agree with you.

551
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think Bjhon Robinson might be at

552
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: the end of this year, we might be talking about

553
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: him as the best running back in the league.

554
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 3: Okay, it'll be interesting. He's certainly got pattigree, he certainly

555
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 3: got talent.

556
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. At nine, the Philadelphia Eagles took Jalen Carter. He's

557
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 2: not available anymore. At nine, the Philadelphia Eagles take Joey

558
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 2: Porter Junior.

559
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 3: I hate that pick because I want to going to

560
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: the Steelers later. Now that that shows you just how

561
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 3: much he's elevated himself in the eyes of NFL people.

562
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he went thirty second, he was nine in this one.

563
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 3: What a great pick.

564
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

565
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 3: Man, the students have had a bunch of them. I

566
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: mean you think about, like, you know, Cam Hayward and TJ.

567
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: Watt and Joey Porter Junior.

568
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 2: Getting those guys in the thirties and late twenties, early

569
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: thirty that's so productive.

570
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: And I mean, where does they redraft Cam? If they'd

571
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 3: done that, I'll bet they did this exercise. But if

572
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 3: they redrafted those guys, and it's probably I mean, it's

573
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: a fun This is a lot of fun. Probably better

574
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 3: to do two or three years in your guys career,

575
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: you know, just because like you play four games, how

576
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 3: do you make I know what you are? Yeah right,

577
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: we don't know what you are. But TJ. Watt would

578
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 3: have gone top five for Shure. I don't remember who

579
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: else wasn't there.

580
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett was the top pick in that.

581
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 3: I mean Cam Hayward, well, he goes ahead of Miles Garrett.

582
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: We know that Cam Hayward would have Cam Hayward would

583
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: have been way up as well. When you get value

584
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 3: like that man oh Man.

585
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: Twenty eleven draft that Hayward was in was loaded. Yeah,

586
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: I mean that was a loaded draft.

587
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: But it's one of the reasons that you remain so good.

588
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: I mean, let's face it, the system is set up

589
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: to have constant churn at the top. Right, you're lousy

590
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 3: for a few years, you get these top picks, you

591
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 3: get the quarterback, you move up, you're great for five

592
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 3: or six years, then your guys leaving free agency or whatever,

593
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: then you get lousy again. And then you know, you

594
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: sift your way back through the fact that this Steelers

595
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 3: have done this under Kevin Colbert and now Omar Khan.

596
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: And I understand fans want more and we know the

597
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: Steelers want more, but it's kind of amazing. I mean,

598
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 3: they took the thirty second pick and now he's a

599
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 3: top ten player for that year. That's value.

600
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely absolutely. At ten, the Bears took Darnell Wright,

601
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: the offensive tackle out of Tennessee. He has them taking

602
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: instead Anton Harrison, the tackle out of Oklahoma went to Jacksonville.

603
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: I don't like that pay either. I don't think. First

604
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: of all, I think Darnell Wright was pretty good last

605
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: year for the Bears. You're going to take Anton Harrison

606
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: over Darnell Wright or Broderick Jones. I'm not buying that, Okay,

607
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm not buying it. At eleven, the Tennessee Titans took

608
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: Peter Skeronsky, the guard out of Northwestern. He has them

609
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: taking Skeronsky here, Okay, I can't argue it. I think

610
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: Skronsky's going to be really I think he was pretty

611
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: good last year, but I would rather have a tackle.

612
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 3: Where's Broderick Jones? Yeah?

613
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: At twelve, the Detroit Lions took Jamiir Gibbs. Everybody was

614
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: surprised by that, the running back out of Alabama. In

615
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: this one, they take Jean Robinson.

616
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 3: Oh, because he's Yeah, because he's available, Because he's available.

617
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: How about that?

618
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: This feels like a little like it's a wonderful life.

619
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: I have to remember who's alive and who's not alive,

620
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: and you know what world really exists?

621
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: Okay, I got to disagree with this one as well.

622
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: At thirteen, the Green Bay Packers took Lucas van This,

623
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: the edge rusher out of Iowa. Instead, he has the

624
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: Packers taking Day one Jones, the offensive tackle out of

625
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: Ohio State. Again, Darnel Wright and Broderick Jones are available there.

626
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: Day one Jones played fine as a rookie. He was,

627
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 2: but he was a later round draft pick for a reason.

628
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: He's a big guy. He hurt his knee, don't. I

629
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: don't know. I would just I would take the more

630
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,479
Speaker 2: athletic player who actually played a lot more games than

631
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: Day one Jones.

632
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: Right now, if I'm the Steelers, I'm happy because very

633
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 3: chance Broderick Jones is sliding to the Steelers.

634
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: As at fourteen, the Steelers traded up. Remember they took

635
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: Broderick Jones instead. He has him taking Bryce Young, the

636
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: quarterback out of Alabama.

637
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 3: Wow, did he fall in the draft.

638
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: He had a bad rookie year, but he didn't have

639
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: much around him, to be fair to him.

640
00:30:55,040 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: Look, I think that there's only one reason you take

641
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 3: a quarterback in the first round, and it's because you

642
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 3: think he's of the caliber to lead you to a championship.

643
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: And if he is of the caliber to lead you

644
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: of a championship, it doesn't matter if who the other

645
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 3: position player is. I don't care if it's Deon Sanders,

646
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: I don't care if it's TJ. Watt, I don't care

647
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 3: if it's Lawrence Taylor. You gotta take the quarterback. If

648
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: it's a quarterback, because how many are there in the

649
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 3: game where you say this guy can lead us to

650
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: a champions They elevate everybody. They elevate everybody. And that's

651
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: no offense to any of the great players that I

652
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 3: just mentioned. I just think that's the way it is.

653
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 3: So if you're telling me that Bryce Young is a

654
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: super Bowl winning, future Hall of Fame type of quarterback,

655
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: then you have to make the tough decision there.

656
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: I don't know. If that's the case, sir.

657
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 3: I'll take Brodrick Jones. Yeah, along, I'm pre able to

658
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 3: come back to Broderick Jones. All right.

659
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: Teen the New York Jets took Will McDonald, the edge

660
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 2: rusher out of Iowa State. He has the Jets instead

661
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: taking Tank Dell, the wide receiver out of Houston.

662
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: Give Rogerson weapons.

663
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: I get it, I get it. I mean Tank Dell.

664
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: I love Tank Dell. I think he's going to be

665
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 2: a really good green Bay take. Green Bay took.

666
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: Who instead of who.

667
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: On Jones instead of Lucas van Ness.

668
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 3: I mean, look, they're going to be They're with a

669
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: new defensive coordinator that's going to be interesting in green Bay.

670
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: And then they have what seven first round picks on

671
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: defense something like that, something crazy like that.

672
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: Underachieved Yeah, I mean are they?

673
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 3: Did they underachieve or did they make bad selections?

674
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: I think I like the players.

675
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 3: Well, we're going to find out. We are going to

676
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 3: find it interesting.

677
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: At sixteen, the Washington Commanders took cornerback Emmanuel Forbes out

678
00:32:58,560 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: of Mississippi State.

679
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 3: Need an offensive lineman.

680
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: They instead take Broderick Jones. Okay, so he doesn't fall far?

681
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: No, that may, I mean that makes sense. They yeah,

682
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: they need offensive.

683
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: Lineup, Oh, in a big way, in a big way.

684
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: So the Steelers have two of the top sixteen picks

685
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: in this redraft. Pretty good at seventeen. The New England Patriots,

686
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: who the Steelers traded up, say, clup spots here they

687
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: took Christian Gonzales at seventeen. Instead, they take Zay Flowers,

688
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: the wide receiver out of Boston College.

689
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: Day's a good player.

690
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: He's a good player, and they don't have any of

691
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: their receivers are bad.

692
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: He's good. I like Flowers.

693
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: When people say that the Steelers wide receiver room is

694
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: the worst in the league, at which I've heard people say,

695
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: go look at that wide receiver group. Go look at

696
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: what Buffalo has, Go look at what the Chargers have.

697
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 2: None of those teams have a number one.

698
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,479
Speaker 3: Can we pause here for a second? Yeah? Are you

699
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: intrigued at all by guys that had a little bit

700
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: of degree of success in Jefferson and Watkins? Yes?

701
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: Yes, I am, okay, I.

702
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 3: Mean there is a scenario I think, and look when

703
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: I go around and you look at rosters and you

704
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 3: see a third round pick pencilvan as a starter, I'm

705
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: lifting an eyebrow always. I'm like m I mean really, but.

706
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 2: At that position, I look at some first round picks

707
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 2: where pencilvan and starters and go eh, right, because I've

708
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: seen the Plexico Burises who became a really good football player, right,

709
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: but struggled as a rookie.

710
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's going back to the computer program

711
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 3: I did. If this, then this else this. You know,

712
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 3: there's a lot. There's a lot going on there. You know,

713
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: if George pickens, so there's your first if if he

714
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 3: taps into his enormous potential, If Roman Wilson can be

715
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: a revelation, right then I'm liking it. I'm liking the quarterback.

716
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 3: I still think they're going to go get another receiver.

717
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: Though I'm liking the receiver group. I meant, I still

718
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 3: think they're going to get another receiver.

719
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: I don't know that it's not gonna I don't think

720
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: it's going to be the splash that people are looking for.

721
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 2: But I think there are going to be some veteran

722
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,959
Speaker 2: guys available who are quality NFL players that you add

723
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 2: to that position. But I am not ready to say

724
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: that Van Jefferson had, you know, eight hundred yard receiving

725
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: year a couple of years ago. I'm not ready to

726
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: say he can't play, right, you know, I just think

727
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 2: that they My biggest fear for the Steelers is that

728
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: something happens to George Pickens and then you're left.

729
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: With totally agree, yeah, totally agree. Who's the next guy up?

730
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 3: And do you have that next guy up? And I

731
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 3: think that they're building a roster with the idea of

732
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: contending they're not building a roster. If this was a

733
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 3: team that you expected to win six games, right, why

734
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 3: go get that that's never Let's see what Roman Wilson

735
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: can do. Let's see if we can get a bounced

736
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 3: back guy, then next year we can go ahead and

737
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: address that position. But they're not in that position now.

738
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 3: It's going to be and we're kind of shown a

739
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: ton of patients throughout his career as to see their

740
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: GM a brief career, right, He's that's a patient guy.

741
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 3: I mean, as fans, you know, we're not that big

742
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,240
Speaker 3: caught do it now, you know, but he's extremely patient

743
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: and I think it will be very interesting to see,

744
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: if you know, look, Calvin Austin look terrific in mini camp,

745
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 3: as you kind of expect you to do. So let's

746
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 3: see what happens now. As you get into training camp

747
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 3: and and see what you have. And again by doing that,

748
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: you know, by allowing, you know, allowing time to happen. Right,

749
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 3: not that you have much choice, but by allowing these

750
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: things to transpire, you get a better idea of what

751
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: you need.

752
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely getting back to the draft here. At eighteen,

753
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions, with their second first round pick, took

754
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: Jack Campbell, the linebacker out of Iowa. Instead, they take

755
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: Sam Laporta, the tight end out of Iowa.

756
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: Oh are come on? Man? Are like that?

757
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 2: We are?

758
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: Oh? Man, They're they're both good. Oh yeah, they're both.

759
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: I'm a big Jack Campbell. I think he's going to

760
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 2: be the next guy at that position. Nineteen, the Tampa

761
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 2: Bay Buccaneers took Elijah Cansey, the defensive tackle out a pit.

762
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: They again take Elijah canseyija. At twenty the Seattle Seahawks.

763
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks took Jackson Smith and Jigba. Instead, they take

764
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 2: Byron Young, the ed rusher out of Tennessee who went

765
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 2: to the Rams.

766
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 3: Felt like a bit of a luxury pick. Smith and Jigba, Well,

767
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: we'll see.

768
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna have a breakout year this year.

769
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: I think that's why Tyler Lockett could be available. Tyler

770
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: Lockett could be the guy that you're looking at as

771
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: an acquisition for the Steeler.

772
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: Let me go let me go ahead and say that

773
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 3: would be okay with me.

774
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. At twenty one, the Chargers took Quinton Johnston, the

775
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: wide receiver at a TCU. Your there's your the guys

776
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: that you pencil in as rookies who were a starters. Quinton,

777
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: I give you Quinton Johnston in the first round. He

778
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: was terrible last year. Doesn't mean he's going to be

779
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: terrible for his career, but he was terrible last year. Instead,

780
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 2: they take Steve Avilla, the center out of TCU. Okay,

781
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 2: another Rams player, Oh.

782
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: Man, did they haven't When you think about their draft

783
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 3: last year was their first pick in the third round?

784
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: I know they didn't never first round. They were stockpiling

785
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 3: picks late. They had a terrific draft. Yeah, a terrific Really,

786
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 3: when you think about a draft in which you didn't

787
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: have any high selections and you came away with some

788
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: of the players you're talking about, and we're talking about

789
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 3: two Steelers in the top sixteen. You didn't have a

790
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: first round something. This opportunity wider rather two rams now

791
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: or is that three?

792
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 2: I guess three? Okay, some of its opportunity, no doubt

793
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 2: about it, you know, no doubt about But they also hit.

794
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: You know, the players have to perform them.

795
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 3: Yep.

796
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: Twenty two of the Ravens took Zay Flowers while he's gone.

797
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 2: Instead they take Jordan Addison wide receiver. Ready USC's slash pit.

798
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 3: Works for me. Yeah, he's a good player.

799
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: At twenty three, the Minnesota Vikings who took Jordan Addison

800
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: instead take Jim Gibbs, the running back out of Alabama. Okay,

801
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: it's a nice consolation prize.

802
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 3: Sure.

803
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: At twenty four, the Giants who took Deontay Banks cornerback

804
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 2: out of Maryland, another guy who went ahead of Joey

805
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: Porter Junior. Instead, the Giants take Rashi Rice, the wide

806
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: receiver out of SMU, although he may end up being

807
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: suspended to start the season. We'll see.

808
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for Keanu Benon.

809
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: At twenty five, the Buffalo Bills took Dalton Kink to

810
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 2: the tight end out of Utah. They again take Dalton Kink.

811
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: He's a good player the tight end of Utah. He

812
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 2: might be. He might lead them in catches this year.

813
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: At twenty six, the Dallas Cowboys took Maze Smith, the

814
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: defensive tackle out of Michigan. Instead, the Dallas Cowboys take

815
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: Kean U. Benton, the defensive tackle out of Wisconsin. So

816
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: three of the top twenty six, three of the top

817
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: twenty six. That is success, my friend. Absolutely, And these

818
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: guys look like long term hit yes to do. That's

819
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: what he says here is that the former Wisconsin nose

820
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: tackle Keanu Benton brought a grown man's skill set at

821
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh right away.

822
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 3: That's a good way of that's a good way of

823
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: putting it. Yeah, grown man's skill set.

824
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: Uh. We then have at twenty seven the Jacksonville Jaguars.

825
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: They took Anton Harrison at twenty seven. Instead they take

826
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 2: Darnell Right out of Tennessee. I think writes a better

827
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: player anyways, getting right down here at twenty seven instead

828
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: of Anton Harrison, Wright's a better player.

829
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: Okay, that's at you didn't like that, fop earlier.

830
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 2: I didn't like it. No, No, I mean Anton Harrison's fine.

831
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: I wouldn't take him over Darnell Right or Broderick Jones

832
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: for that matter. Right at twenty eight, the Cincinnati Bengals

833
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: took Miles Murphy, the edge rusher out of Clemson. Really

834
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: didn't do a whole lot last year. Instead, they take

835
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: Lucas van Ness, the edge rusher out of Iowa.

836
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: You know, I think that's an interesting pick because they

837
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 3: had two good edge guys.

838
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: But they're playing for the future. Like you look at

839
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 2: they always like to have that next guy up because

840
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: they're not a team that goes out and makes a

841
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 2: bunch of splash signings. They did that when they had

842
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: the quarterback working on the rookie contract. They spent a

843
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: bunch of money on defense in the offensive line. Well

844
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 2: now they can't do that anymore, so they're looking ahead

845
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 2: there with Miles Murphy.

846
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 3: You know, I understand that. I understand when the Steelers

847
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 3: used to do that because the Steelers were they won

848
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl and a couple of supers.

849
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 2: On That's what you gotta do when you're picking in

850
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: the twenty eighth, you know, twenty five down, you have

851
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: to you kind of have to do that because you're

852
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: not going to get the premium guys.

853
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 3: Well, one of the things that Stielers always did really

854
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 3: really well to me, and again not only finding great talent,

855
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: but was to find guys at what were considered off positions.

856
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 3: So you know, you ran a three to four hich

857
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 3: you're able to get Casey Hampton, but that was just schematic, right,

858
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 3: But you're also you know, you spent when everybody's looking

859
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: for tackle tackle tackle, tackle tackleing. Okay, we'll take a

860
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 3: great guard in David di Castro. Everyone's looking for corner,

861
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 3: corner corner, Well we'll take Troy Polamolo and allow great

862
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 3: players to make a difference. I think great players regardless

863
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: of position, and I think some teams get a little

864
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 3: bit guilty of chasing position, and it's one of the

865
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Speaker 3: things that I think Kevin Colbert did well, Omar Khan

866
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: did well to at least put plausible players in place

867
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Speaker 3: so that if you don't like where you are in

868
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 3: a draft, and you know, leading up to the draft,

869
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 3: you go out and signed guy and okay, well maybe

870
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Speaker 3: he's not quite the defensive tackle we need, but we

871
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 3: don't want to reach for defensive tackle. And then the

872
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 3: pick comes up, for example, you say, oh, well, Keanu

873
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 3: Benton's there, Well we'll grab him. That's great. Yeah, So

874
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: I think that you know, there was a couple of

875
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 3: picks like Atlanta taking the quarterback after they just signed

876
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 3: a quarterback. Where you won, you need a quarterback. And again,

877
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 3: like I said before, so I don't want to talk

878
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Speaker 3: out of both sides of my mouth. If you think

879
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: that guy is eventually going to lead you to the

880
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 3: super Bowl, that's a hard guy to pass up at

881
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: a premium position. By the same token, you just gave

882
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 3: somebody ninety million dollars to be your guy and you

883
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 3: are so far away from being good. That is that

884
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 3: a luxury pick. I felt like for the Bengals, they

885
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 3: haven't won it yet. You know, they haven't won it yet,

886
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: Go get a guy, but they're sticking with their process.

887
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 3: And I don't know. I thought that was a position

888
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,959
Speaker 3: and when they and when they grab another edge guy,

889
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a good roster the Bengals are. They

890
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 3: have a good roster. They have good players. Was there

891
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 3: another position that could have taken there to get better?

892
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll see.

893
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: We'll see who was still available. He goes here. Twenty nine,

894
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: the Saints took Brian Burssa, the defensive tackle out a Clemson. Instead,

895
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: they take will Be Turner, defensive tackle of wake Forest. Okay,

896
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: I love burse Turner had a big year. I don't

897
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 2: know if that was because he's playing next to maybe

898
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: the best defensive tackle ever. I don't know. Right, we'll

899
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: find out this year, right when he's a guy who's

900
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: getting all the double ten.

901
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 3: Right.

902
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: At thirty the Philadelphia Eagles took Nolan Smith, the edge rusher,

903
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: out of Georgia. Instead, they take Brian Branch, the cornerback

904
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: out of Alabama. Okay, safety slash cornerback, slash corner thirty one.

905
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 2: The Kansas City Chiefs took Felix and duque Uzoma, the

906
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: edge rusher out of k State. Instead, they take Jaden Reid,

907
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:06,959
Speaker 2: the wide receiver at a Michigan State.

908
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 3: Well, they certainly, you know, suffered without those receivers last year.

909
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 3: They suffered all the way to the Super Bowl. Yeah,

910
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: but I understand, I get it, I get I get it.

911
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: And of course, then Joey Porter went at thirty two

912
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: because there were only thirty one picks first round last year.

913
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 3: Oh, that's right, that's exactly right. So how many Rams

914
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 3: went in the first rounds?

915
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Speaker 2: A secret were four wore Rams, three Steelers, three Lions.

916
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 2: That's impressed, and it gives you an idea who did

917
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: well in last year's Absolutely yeah, absolutely so uh. That

918
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Speaker 2: was by Ian Valentino on the thirty third team. He

919
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Speaker 2: is the Rob King. I'm Dale Lolly. You're listening to

920
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Speaker 2: the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. Rob and I

921
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Speaker 2: will be back to finish up the show right after this.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

923
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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is Rob King, sitting

926
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Speaker 2: in for Matt Williamson this week. And Steeler fans, you

927
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Speaker 2: can gear up with the latest sideline apparel, hats or

928
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Speaker 2: or you can visit online at Shop dot Steelers dot com.

933
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Speaker 2: And Rob, the next time we get together, we will

934
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Speaker 2: be in beautiful Latrobe out in the Laura has Unfortunately,

935
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the forecast for this week and after

936
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 2: all these weeks of not having really any rain, they're

937
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: looking at rain like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday this week. Really Yeah,

938
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Speaker 2: unfortunately that is kind of fortunate.

939
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, nice weather. They would be more fun out there.

940
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: No doubt about it. But we'll be back in at

941
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Speaker 2: Saint Vance in College here. I can't wait to get

942
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 2: back out there and start gearing up with the season.

943
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Speaker 3: I can't wait. I think it's a fascinating season for

944
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 3: the Steelers. I think it's interesting that there's doom and

945
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 3: gloom from some people around this team. I don't see it, Dale,

946
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: I just don't. I don't see that, And I understand

947
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 3: some of the thinking. The schedule's murderously difficult. The division

948
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 3: is the best in football from top to bottom, I think,

949
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 3: with no question at all. I mean, just every team

950
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 3: is so solid. I understand all those things, but it

951
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 3: just seems like this is the same refrain we hear

952
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 3: every year, and it seems like every year the Steelers

953
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 3: are getting towards the closing half of the season in

954
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 3: playoff contention. So much of it, I think is going

955
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 3: to come down to clearly what happens at the quarterback position.

956
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: Does Russell Wilson have a good solid season. If he

957
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 3: has a good solid season, I think we're looking at

958
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 3: another playoff team.

959
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too. And for fans who want to

960
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: come out and see what Russell Wilson looks like as

961
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: a steal member of the Steelers, what this team looks like.

962
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,760
Speaker 2: That Thursday practice is open. That's ten thirty to noon

963
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: on Thursday. The first couple practices are unpadded. Their heat

964
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 2: acclamation period heres. Then you have Friday the same schedule

965
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 2: ten thirty to noon. Saturday is eleven forty I'm sorry,

966
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: one fifty five to four pm. I expect a big

967
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: crowd there on Saturday, and then that's the same schedule

968
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Speaker 2: on Sunday. Players are off on Monday. Don't come to

969
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 2: Saint Vincent College on Monday. There won't be anybody therether

970
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: than Tuesday. They pick things back up. That'll be July thirtieth,

971
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: ten thirty to twelve fifteen. Wednesday's practice ten thirty to

972
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: twelve thirty. Same thing Thursday, ten thirty to twelve thirty,

973
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: and then Friday you get your first Friday Night Lights practice.

974
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Speaker 2: You're gonna be in the press box for that one.

975
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 3: I will not, unfortunately. Oh I would like to see

976
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 3: that one. But that's one of just a couple of practices.

977
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: I will not be able to attend, but I can't

978
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: wait to hear all about.

979
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Speaker 4: It, and that one, that one as a massive, massive crowd,

980
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 4: and then that weekend the following week in August third

981
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Speaker 4: and August fourth, you're looking at that back back to

982
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 4: that one fifty five to four pm schedule on the weekend.

983
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Speaker 2: Uh but uh yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun.

984
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 2: I can't I can't wait to get back out to

985
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: La Trobe. The toughest thing and one of the toughest

986
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: things about the COVID year was not being right in

987
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: the trobe right. You know that there's those uh training

988
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: camps at at Akroser Stadium were just not the same thing.

989
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 3: All football, all the time. And you know, it's going

990
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: to be fascinating for me. It just doesn't look like

991
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: there's a lot of room on this roster. And when

992
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 3: you think about the projections and people come out with

993
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 3: their projected fifty three and I'm looking at the guys

994
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 3: who are projected to be cut and thinking, well, there's

995
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 3: some good football players there that are projected to be cut,

996
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 3: and you know what's the mix going to be. You're

997
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: gonna keep six wide receivers five, all these other things

998
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:03,959
Speaker 3: that will manifest itself as you know, as the camp

999
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 3: goes on, and will there be deals and there probably

1000
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 3: will be or veteran signings or things of that nature.

1001
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: But I also wonder if there are a couple of

1002
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 3: guys that might sort of emerge from nowhere. Always are

1003
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 3: there always are. It doesn't feel like there's room for that,

1004
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 3: but there always are.

1005
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 2: You make room for him if they that's merge, that's

1006
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 2: it's just the way that works. But yeah, I'm gonna

1007
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 2: be very interested to watch these always have fun watching

1008
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: the practice on the sunlight. I like to work the groups.

1009
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 2: A lot of times I will just follow because Mike

1010
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: Tom want to work the groups. He'll go from group

1011
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: to group and say things the guys or what you know,

1012
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: what's he watching? And that's always kind of the I'll

1013
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: kind of try to follow him around a little bit

1014
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: just to hear what he's how he's trying to coach

1015
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 2: guys up, and you know, what's he's saying to the

1016
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: different groups, because you kind of get a theme of

1017
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: a either that practice or you get the theme of

1018
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 2: of what that camp is. What are they trying to

1019
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: work on here? What are they trying to get better at?

1020
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 2: And so you learn things when you listen on the sidelines.

1021
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and it's fascinating to watch for sure, and fascinating

1022
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 3: to you know who the coaches are, you know, maybe

1023
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 3: getting extra work because they need it or and then

1024
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 3: you're always trying to read the teelees. Well is that

1025
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 3: does that mean they really like the guys, they really

1026
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 3: don't like the guy or they try to treat them all.

1027
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 2: That's what the private conversations are for. Yes, and you

1028
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: have lots of those at training camp as well. And

1029
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: that's that's the other great thing about it is the

1030
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: availability out there is awesome. Burt Luton and his PR group,

1031
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: but the staff there they do a great job of of,

1032
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 2: you know, making sure guys are available. And I can't

1033
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: wait to get out there. I get excited this time

1034
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 2: this time of year every year. Yeah, every year. Again.

1035
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: This is my thirty second year. It's like it's my

1036
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: first year all over again.

1037
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 3: Well, you're almost alone. It's only you in about two

1038
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 3: hundred million Steelers fans getting excited about this time year.

1039
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 3: You're almost by yourself, not quite, but almost by yourself.

1040
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: Well, Rob, we we'll end the show, but I do

1041
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 2: appreciate you sitting in for Matt this week, and well

1042
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 2: when we come back on Thursday, you'll be joining Matt

1043
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 2: and I can't wait. It's gonna be fun. I can't

1044
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 2: wait to do it here. But that's gonna do it

1045
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: for our show today. So for my partner here, Rob King,

1046
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: sitting in for Matt Williamson, for Justin Miller here on site,

1047
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: keeping us on the air, I am Dale Lelly. We

1048
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Speaker 2: thank you for listening to this edition of the Drive

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Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio.