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Speaker 1: Let's go, Giants, get out on the Giants bubbling, give

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Speaker 2: Part of the Giants Podcast Network.

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Speaker 1: Let's roll.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 3: to you by Citizens, the official.

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Speaker 2: Bank of the New York Football Giants. I am John Schmelck.

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Speaker 3: We usually have this gentleman staring at you from across

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Speaker 3: the zoom no other reasons on before the draft, we

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Speaker 3: decided to save his expertise to break down what the

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Speaker 3: Giants actually did rather than trying to predict what they

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Speaker 3: were going to do. And that is Ryan Wilson from

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Speaker 3: CBS Sports. Ryan, good to talk to you, my friend. Uh,

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Speaker 3: you're still conscious a couple of days after the draft,

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Speaker 3: so I guess that's a win.

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Speaker 1: Right, absolutely a win. It's funny. I was thinking about this,

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Speaker 1: like we saw each other at the Senior Bowl when

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Speaker 1: they were doing the six Am interviews, saw the combine.

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Speaker 1: So that Senior Bowl conversation we had feels like three

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Speaker 1: years ago. That's how sort of slow time flies flies,

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Speaker 1: time goes sort of the pre draft process. But it's great, man,

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Speaker 1: Like I love it, Like you know, I talked to

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Speaker 1: my buddies who have real jobs, and you know, they

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Speaker 1: make a lot more money than me, but they are

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Speaker 1: always saying, hey, what's going on in your life? So

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Speaker 1: I appreciate what I do and it's okay to be

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Speaker 1: tired for a couple of days. John, I think we

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Speaker 1: get a little break here, and just so you know,

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Speaker 1: the boss is won my twenty twenty six months draft.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow is recording this, so not a lot of rest.

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Speaker 1: I'll take a nap after this and get back to it.

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Speaker 3: I second all of your sentiments, Tony Pauline, and I

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Speaker 3: you know, you know, Tony obviously been doing the draft

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Speaker 3: a long time.

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Speaker 2: We're doing our draft season.

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Speaker 3: I think we're recording it mid next week with our

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six watch list. So are we heard the

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Speaker 3: same exact situation that it never ends? Then?

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Speaker 2: MINDI caamp comes.

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Speaker 3: You know, you have a rookie camp, then you got

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Speaker 3: OTAs for me at least mandatory mini camp, and then

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Speaker 3: you finally get that like middle of June to middle

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Speaker 3: of July area where you can actually like not be

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Speaker 3: killing yourself. And I look forward to that time very much.

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Speaker 3: So all right, so let's get to it. You put

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Speaker 3: out the draft grades, which are always one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: correct when we look back at them three years from now.

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Speaker 3: They're never wrong, they're always right. You were a big

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Speaker 3: fan of what the Giants did. You had them ranked

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Speaker 3: seven overall. They were in your category of the drafts

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Speaker 3: I loved. Why don't we just go top down first

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Speaker 2: Why did you love overall what the Giants did?

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Speaker 1: You can't mess up with Duel Carter, right, And you

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Speaker 1: might say that's not necessarily a need, but if you're

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Speaker 1: thinking shorter long term, and we'll see what the implications

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Speaker 1: are for the front office of the coaching staff. But

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Speaker 2: Of players, at least in my opinion. And that's a

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Speaker 1: Now, you don't you really don't need Maston Graham next

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Speaker 1: I had no issue with that Jackson Dart, he was

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Speaker 1: That dude can ball, and that's where you get the

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Speaker 1: they get value and all the picks based on the

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Speaker 1: a five hundred quarterback, and I would imagine Giants would

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Speaker 1: think there's a lot of reasons for optimism, and it's

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think you hit on all of the touch

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Speaker 3: points there, Ryan. So let's let's now take it from

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Speaker 3: I've tried to explain as best I can exactly how

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Speaker 3: like I had people, legitimately, multiple people legitimately compare him

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Speaker 3: not being hyperbolic. To von Miller, like, that's how good

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Speaker 3: his pass rush tape is as a guy. And what

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: I went down my checklist of notes and I got

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Speaker 3: I mean, he might still have room to grow. It's

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Speaker 1: He absolutely does have room to grow. And the other

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Speaker 1: the first thing I wrote down upon my first Feelidon

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Speaker 1: And to your point, it's a year one situation. We

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Speaker 1: know if he has it in him. This guy's intense

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Speaker 1: and the other thing, and I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: he looks just like Chop Robinson, like to the point

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Speaker 1: that he said that Chop Robinson's family members extended family

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Speaker 1: And that was one of the few times he smiled

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Speaker 1: About the foot injury, I'm not worried about that. The

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Speaker 1: other thing I'm not worried about is that he bawled out.

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Speaker 1: like at one hundred percent, He's going against dudes that

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Speaker 1: don't have any issue with that. And you know, as

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Speaker 1: So keep checking those boxes until you get it right.

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Speaker 1: And I will just reiterate what I said, it makes

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Speaker 3: It's funny you mentioned his personality as attitude. I interacted

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Speaker 2: Thing that struck you and what you just told me

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Speaker 3: There's like an intensity about him at all times and

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Speaker 3: that flip switches, that is going to be a nasty

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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more like I. You know, I spent

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Speaker 1: I say it out loud. It's like, don't overthink it,

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Speaker 1: Like you don't have to reinvent the wheel man. Just

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Speaker 1: then you explained to me how it's not good news

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Speaker 1: for Cavon and Brian and Dexter in the middle and

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Speaker 1: now Darius Alexander This this defense could be legit. The

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Speaker 3: Hey, as he said on social media, all he can

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Speaker 1: And he's right, that's right. All they could do is

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Speaker 3: So I guess one debate Giant fans've had is how

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Speaker 3: mentioned using me as a as a DPR. Doesign need

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Speaker 3: a pass rusher. I do wonder if some of his

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: They went through all the guys, they did their work.

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Speaker 1: Sound absolutely and QB three and it being Tyler Shuck

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Speaker 1: Was their second first round pick in that draft.

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Speaker 2: Right, that is correct. Daniel Jones was the first line.

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Speaker 1: That's right. We were just talking about this. I can't

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Speaker 1: Howd up get in here? If you're lined up here,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so again reiterating what we were talking about. No

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Speaker 3: Honestly, we talked on our show and I said I

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Speaker 3: for the athletics. She does a fantastic job, and she

436
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Speaker 3: told me that the Rams were not in on a

437
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Speaker 3: quarterback there. Okay, so I don't think that was a team.

438
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Speaker 3: I think there was some concern that, a the Browns

439
00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,480
Speaker 3: are picking right in front of them at thirty three,

440
00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,960
Speaker 3: so I think that was obviously a worry. I don't

441
00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,320
Speaker 3: know what they thought of Jackson Dart. We know what

442
00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,400
Speaker 3: they thought of the other quarterbacks obviously, but they didn't

443
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Speaker 3: select them. We don't know what they thought of Jackson Dart,

444
00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,920
Speaker 3: So I think there were concerns there. I think I

445
00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,480
Speaker 3: don't know how much they knew, but I know it. It

446
00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,040
Speaker 3: kind of got leaked out that the Saints were a

447
00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,560
Speaker 3: shook team, that that was the guy they were after.

448
00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,920
Speaker 3: But you know, there's always a mystery team with quarterbacks too,

449
00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,200
Speaker 3: like the Jets, the Raiders, you know, all those teams

450
00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,600
Speaker 3: I think were possibilities to move up. I'm not sure

451
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Speaker 3: if there was a team sitting there ready to pick

452
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Speaker 3: between twenty five and thirty four that they were worried about.

453
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Speaker 3: But I think they were worried that another team might

454
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Speaker 3: do something to move ahead of them to get the

455
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Speaker 3: quarterback they want.

456
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Speaker 1: Sure, No, I get it, and I'm fine with the

457
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Speaker 1: with the price they paid. One last thing on Jackson,

458
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Speaker 1: Darta want to ask you, where are you on the

459
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Speaker 1: clear frames in the first round living room situation?

460
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Speaker 3: Oh? Man, look, I know what that means. I'm a

461
00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,760
Speaker 3: Northeast guy. Man, you know that I'm a Northeast guy.

462
00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:07,880
Speaker 3: So I think everyone is a little bit of different style.

463
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Speaker 1: You know that. You know, it's funny in Jackson's defense,

464
00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:12,760
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, that's how old they have had some

465
00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,440
Speaker 1: clear frames. When I first started covering the draft re

466
00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,040
Speaker 1: seats and my dad said, you look like an idiot.

467
00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,920
Speaker 1: Please never wear those things to get on television.

468
00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,760
Speaker 3: Now right now, right now, I'm more in contacts because

469
00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,439
Speaker 3: right now, all of the tree pollen on the planet

470
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,520
Speaker 3: Earth or oh oh gosh are putting a frontal assault

471
00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,000
Speaker 3: on my sinuses. So I am like, I am like

472
00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,560
Speaker 3: you can probably see the little bags just it's bad.

473
00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,240
Speaker 3: So the contacts actually they like create like a barrier

474
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Speaker 3: between the pollen and my eyeballs. Right, So I'm a

475
00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,080
Speaker 3: glasses guy. I am not necessarily a clear frame glasses guy.

476
00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,800
Speaker 3: But look, I think Jackson has a much better chance

477
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Speaker 3: of pulling that off than I do.

478
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Speaker 1: Yeah, us combined, he's best, Yeah for sure. But I

479
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 1: like to ask people that just to just to get

480
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Speaker 1: their opinions because I was the original clear frames guy

481
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Speaker 1: and it went over poorly for me. It'll go over

482
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Speaker 1: a little better for him.

483
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Speaker 2: Now.

484
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Speaker 3: Look, Jackson also even though he's from you know, he's

485
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 3: he's from Utah, looks like he just rolls off the

486
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Speaker 3: beach when he rolls in here.

487
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Speaker 2: Man, he's got the ten. Looks like he just got

488
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Speaker 2: off the surfboard.

489
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Speaker 1: Man.

490
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Speaker 2: He is that he has a big time West Coast

491
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Speaker 2: vibe going.

492
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Speaker 1: He looks like a starting quarterback in the NFL.

493
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Speaker 3: And by the way, and when I sat there, and

494
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,880
Speaker 3: I'm sure you the chance to talk to him, uh too,

495
00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,239
Speaker 3: at the at the combine, right, he just he has

496
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,359
Speaker 3: a very good manner about him. We talked about adul

497
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Speaker 3: Carter's intensity. Jackson Dart bleeds leadership when you talk to.

498
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Speaker 1: Him, and that's such a huge part of it. Also

499
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Speaker 1: a huge Star Wars guy. If that gets you going,

500
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Speaker 1: if that's you know, one of your.

501
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 3: Follow check so is Abdul Carter. Both of them are,

502
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Speaker 3: believe it or not.

503
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Speaker 1: Interesting. I knew that one of the backstories that I

504
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Speaker 1: heard that Abdul was a big Eagles fan growing up

505
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Speaker 1: and he took his dad, I believe, to the Super

506
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 1: Bowl this year and that was a big deal for him.

507
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 1: So family guys, Star Wars guys, they're checking boxes in

508
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Speaker 1: New York.

509
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the funny So so here's the funny thing.

510
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Speaker 3: So Abdul Carter and we did a little thing on

511
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Speaker 3: social with this. So I guess when he put in

512
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Speaker 3: the Notre Dame game, right, he had the EyeBlack and

513
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 3: he wrote Darth Vader on the EyeBlack. I think he

514
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 3: spent a lot of time in like the hyperballic Barrick

515
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 3: chamber trying to get the shoulder ready, and he thought

516
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 3: of like Darth Vader getting you know, dumped in the

517
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 3: big back to tank with you know, to try to

518
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 3: heal all the burns and all that stuff. And then

519
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 3: apparently Dart the reason he has the EyeBlack like this

520
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,399
Speaker 3: is partly because of the Anakin Skywalker scar right he

521
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,680
Speaker 3: had in the movie. So have you have Anakin and

522
00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 3: you got Vader on the same team.

523
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Speaker 1: Now, it's funny you talk about the social media stuff,

524
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 1: because that's little people behind the curtain. That's a pace

525
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: of bills a lot of times when we go go

526
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Speaker 1: places like the Combine, So we had to have I

527
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Speaker 1: don't remember it. You can probably find it on our socials,

528
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 1: as the kids say. But Anakin blind ranked his five

529
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 1: favorite Star Wars characters, and the guy who made the

530
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 1: list is like an Authorities not a Star Wars guy.

531
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Speaker 1: I said, hold on, give me that list. So I

532
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Speaker 1: had I had to do some some deep dives on

533
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Speaker 1: some name. He knew all the names, so yeah, I mean,

534
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Speaker 1: and I just called him Anakin. Jackson's got that unlock too.

535
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Speaker 3: Tell you what he has an Anakin Skywalker field though,

536
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 3: to him, I'm with you, but look to me. I

537
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Speaker 3: think the reason I I have optimism about Dart that

538
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 3: a Brian Davile believes in him and he puts these

539
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,959
Speaker 3: guys through like a hell of a quarterback test when

540
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 3: they come in here. And if he can pass that

541
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 3: thing mentally, maybe he can figure things out.

542
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: But he doesn't have one tool. Ryan.

543
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 3: That makes me worry, right, like everything is average to

544
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 3: above average. You know, I don't know if he has

545
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 3: any a plus like Josh Allen level tools where he's

546
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 3: got this cannon or he's running a four to four,

547
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 3: but every tool is not going to hold him back,

548
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 3: Like there's no throw he can't make. Does he have

549
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 3: a cannon? But he can make every throw. He can run,

550
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 3: he runs over people, He plays with the right attitude,

551
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 3: his pot like the one thing with him and shore

552
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 3: should or when he gets pressured he would kind of

553
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 3: go backwards, right Jackson Dart stets up through the pocket.

554
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Speaker 3: So I feel like there isn't one trait that you

555
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 3: look at where you're like, oh, I'm really worried about that.

556
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Speaker 3: Everything I think is has the potential to be NFL

557
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 3: level or better.

558
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And in fact, the only real concern I have

559
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Speaker 1: and I would like to see him do a better

560
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Speaker 1: job of getting through his reads. You see glimpses of

561
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Speaker 1: it where does get to a second or third read

562
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: and other times you don't. But you know, if Brian

563
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: Dabole is okay with it, I'm okay with it, and

564
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,239
Speaker 1: we'll see how. But and your point's an important one

565
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: because there are the physical limitations where the concerns with

566
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 1: Shad do or putting aside for the moment. The interviews

567
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 1: are what may have happened had or had not happened

568
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 1: to those interviews cam Ward, there were no The concerns

569
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Speaker 1: with cam Ward is that he plays like Caleb and

570
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 1: Jayden last year come out of college. There's too much

571
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 1: here of ball and if you can get that out

572
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 1: of him, and it may take a while, we'll find out.

573
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: And took Caleb three quarters of the season, took Jayden

574
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: two minutes, then you're gonna be cooking with something. But

575
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Speaker 1: I think Jackson is above the line in every single category.

576
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Speaker 1: I just want to see him do a better job

577
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: of getting through his reads. But he knows what he's

578
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Speaker 1: looking at. It appears when he steps up to the

579
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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, and that's a huge step in the

580
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 1: right direction.

581
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Speaker 3: And when he knows what he's seeing and knows where

582
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Speaker 3: he wants to go, he can throw at anticipation, right

583
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 3: like you see it on the plays where it goes

584
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 3: the way it's supposed to. He will throw with anticipation.

585
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 3: And again, I think that goes back to the offense.

586
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 2: Right.

587
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 3: I think even if you go back to Caleb Williams's

588
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 3: offense two years ago, right, there's so many designer plays

589
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: where it's like, all right, you're getting the ball to

590
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 3: this guy and if that doesn't work, then you're gonna

591
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 3: kind of just run or do what you.

592
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: Got to do.

593
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 3: Like you said, you see this flashes of some full

594
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: field stuff, but once there. Kurt Water said to me

595
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 3: last year, I was talking about Jena Daniels actually, and

596
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: I said to him, Kurt, you know, I don't think

597
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 3: Jena Daniel stows over the middle of off that.

598
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 2: I think that that that's a worry for me.

599
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: He goes, John, don't knock a quarterback for not doing

600
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 3: something if you don't know if the coaching staff is

601
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 3: asking him to do that.

602
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: That's great advice.

603
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 3: And I said, Kurt, you know what, that's a really

604
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 3: good point. And I think about that with Dart sometimes

605
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 3: with the way the offense is designed. Yeah, maybe we

606
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 3: didn't see that a lot, but were they asking him

607
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: to do that a lot. So that's something that I

608
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 3: kind of going back to why it's so hard to

609
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 3: do quarterback evaluations without knowing what the coaches are feeding

610
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 3: these guys.

611
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Speaker 2: It's hard to really get a true evaluation of the tape.

612
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Rick used to talk about this as well

613
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Speaker 1: when I would say to him, how do you figure

614
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: out if a guy in any position can do X,

615
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: Y and Z, And he says a lot of times

616
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: you don't see it on tape. You have to go

617
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: to the pro days, to go to the private workouts

618
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: and ask him to do those things. Now, how much

619
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: can you simulate in a private workout throwing over the middle?

620
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: You can, I mean you or I could throw over

621
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 1: the middle with no one in our face. But right

622
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 1: you have to sort of figure it out. You have

623
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: to try to project what that looks like. And for

624
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: all the knocks on Brian Dable that people have, he's

625
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: been really good at developing quarterbacks. And again I'll just

626
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: go back to the Daniel Jones. I didn't know it

627
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: was gonna be a Brian Dable apologist on the podcast,

628
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: But go back to Brian jo Brian Daniel Jones, excuse me,

629
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. He was a completely different player. And

630
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: that's just reality of it. Things didn't work after that,

631
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: one last thing, I'll say, And someone made this point

632
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: again I can't remember who because I'm old, but it

633
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: was so spot on. So the Colts took Riley Leonard

634
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: and Riley Leonard is a perfect encapsulation of both Anthony

635
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: Richardson and Danel Jones. I was like, that is that

636
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: makes the that is the perfect draft pick to bring

637
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 1: into that QB room.

638
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, You'll have to design your offense

639
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 3: one way for those three guys, man, and all three

640
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 3: guys could do all the things you want the offense

641
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: to do. There was absolutely no question about that. And

642
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 3: again and then last thing on darn I think there's

643
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 3: been a great back and forth. I think it's talking

644
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 3: to the college coaches too. Right, if you have a

645
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: good relationship with these college coaches, and Brian Dable's gonna

646
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 3: have that at Ole Miss. You know, Charlie Weiss Senior

647
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 3: was one of his coaching mentors. His son's the offensive

648
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 3: courd heator. So that's a really easy that's a really

649
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 3: easy conversation conversation there. Brian Dable coach with Joe Judge

650
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 3: in New England, he's on that staff, and Mark with

651
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 3: Jackson Dart over the course of the year, and I'm

652
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 3: sure he knows Lane from his time in college football too.

653
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Speaker 3: So if you have good relationships with these college coaches,

654
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Speaker 3: they will tell you how well the quarterback. All right,

655
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Speaker 3: do you think he can do this? You might not

656
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Speaker 3: have asked him, but can he do this? If we

657
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: asked him exactly, you're gonna get those honest answers that

658
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Speaker 3: me and you.

659
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Speaker 2: We're not getting those answers from anybody of course.

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Speaker 1: No, right, No, that's exactly right. And that's an important point.

661
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Speaker 1: And again not to bring this back to Shador, but

662
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Speaker 1: there may have been some disconnect between getting all the

663
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Speaker 1: information you wanted as a coaching staff or an organization

664
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Speaker 1: and not being able to get it because of whatever reason.

665
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Speaker 1: The one last thing I'll go to is I remember

666
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 1: being at the Shrine Bowl downstairs to the team hotel,

667
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: and it was clearly obvious how much the giants were

668
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: interested in the door because Brian da Bole and I

669
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: don't know if it's Joe Shame but or some other

670
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: folks talking to him in the middle of the hallway

671
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Speaker 1: in front of everybody in Jesus, and that was a long, animated,

672
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: laughing type of conversation. And I just wonder the disconnect

673
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: between that moment in late January and where we were

674
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Speaker 1: last week and sort of what happened. But that it

675
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: just goes to show you it's a long process and

676
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: it's a job interview, and you got to treat it

677
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Speaker 1: as such. And you know, I think obviously Jackson Darted

678
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: a good job with that. Abdul Carter did a good

679
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: job with that, and we'll see how it works out

680
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Speaker 1: in three or four years.

681
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

682
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Speaker 3: The way I put it the other day one of

683
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: our shows is that if you like wriggle a personally,

684
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 3: you mean you applying for a job, like you send

685
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 3: your resume in right, that's the game film. That's the

686
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: equivalent for a football player of their stats, their production,

687
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 3: and their game film. That's the resume. Well, guess what,

688
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: you still have to go in and do the job interview.

689
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: You have to match the team's culture, you have to

690
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: be a personality they want in your building. And that's

691
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: what the draft process is from January to April, and

692
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 3: the resume is the basis of everything. You're never gonna

693
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 3: hire anyone with a bad resume. But just because a

694
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 3: guy's a good resume doesn't mean he's a fit for

695
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Speaker 3: you once you go through the rest of that interview process.

696
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Speaker 1: So unless you graduate number one in Harvard Law School

697
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 1: and they definitely need a big time lawyer, you can

698
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: act anybody you want, but anyone else from any other school.

699
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: Everyone has to say resume. You got to be able

700
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Speaker 1: to differentiate yourself. This is this concludes the how to

701
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Speaker 1: parent your kids segment?

702
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: Absolutely right. All right, let's get to Darius Alexander. So

703
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: the Giants was very important to them to hold on

704
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: to pick sixty five because, as both of us know, Ryan,

705
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: that was right in the meat of this draft where

706
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: you're gonna get some good players. And I'm with you.

707
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 3: I had a second round grade on Darius Alexander. I

708
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: think he was the fortieth something player on my board,

709
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 3: and I I had no anticipation that a guy that

710
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: can rush the passer at three hundred plus pounds with

711
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Speaker 3: thirty four in darms at defensive tackle, which is becoming,

712
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 3: as you all know, a premium position in this league

713
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: was going to be on the board at sixty five.

714
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: I don't care if he's twenty five years old. That

715
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: dude kill people at the Senior Bowl. He's going to

716
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Speaker 3: be a good NFL player.

717
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, four nine to five forty almost eighty three inch wingspan.

718
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: My conference was Christian Barmore, and he might be more

719
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: explosive than Christian Barmore and he might say, well, he

720
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: just dominated non power for schools. Well, to your point,

721
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: Johnny went to the Senior Bowl and looked like he

722
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: was the first kid off the bus at Alabama or

723
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: Georgia with the way he played. And then we talked

724
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: to him. Awesome kid number one, and think this through

725
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: what is worth. No one knows more NFL like history

726
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: than this guy. Like we played another social game where

727
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: we showed him old school Is that true? We showed

728
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: him old school defensive linemen and linebackers going back forty years.

729
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: He crushed every single one. And you know, most of

730
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: the kids came through, like Dylan Gabriel.

731
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Speaker 2: Was really good.

732
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Speaker 1: No surprise there. It was probably fifty percent hit rate

733
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: for most of these guy because they're you know, twenty two,

734
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: they're not paying attention. This guy is locked in with

735
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: the history of football. He's locked in with football. He's

736
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: he was a great dude in terms of iron actions

737
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: with him, and then he played out of his mind

738
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: at physical Specimen. There's the I can't remember the team though.

739
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: He had his insane pick six last fall where he

740
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: hurtled some guy near the sidelines I believe, and then

741
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: outrun everyone to the end zone. And then the way

742
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Speaker 1: he plays like this, I'm with you. I thought he

743
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: had a chance to go twenty five picks higher.

744
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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, good player. And again I know people are

745
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: afraid of his age. He's also raising his like six

746
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: year old son, so he's super mature, right, And and look,

747
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: these guys don't grow on trees that are that big

748
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: and that athletic and can play three technique and you

749
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Speaker 3: know you, I mean, look what old that gives you.

750
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 3: It just got the Cowboys this past year. Right, similar

751
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 3: type of player in terms of an upfield pass rusher,

752
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: he just got twenty something million dollars. I mean, these

753
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: guys are just as valuable as edge rusher is in

754
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 3: today's NFL.

755
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Speaker 1: And at twenty five years old, you can still got

756
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: a second contract, can be dominant throughout that second contract.

757
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: Cam Hayward's still playing in his mid thirties. It's not

758
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: like he's a wide receiver or a cornerback that at

759
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: thirty three you got to put him out the pasture.

760
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: I think he's got a lot of good football ahead

761
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: of him. And by the way, he's a year younger

762
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: than Tyler Shuck. So let's calm down with the age.

763
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

764
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: of crunch time football, I'm your Matt.

765
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Speaker 3: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan,

766
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Speaker 3: you should talk to Citizens.

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Speaker 3: bank dot com slash Giants. All right, then the Giants

776
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: lost pick ninety nine. They're compicking the third round, so

777
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: they get the round number four and here comes good

778
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: old cam Scataboo. Baby Giant. Fan's gonna love this guy, Ryan.

779
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: I like them more than others. I think the little

780
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: blurb you had in your draft age was that with

781
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Speaker 3: the way he plays, he might only last three or

782
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: four years, but it's gonna be a fun three or

783
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Speaker 3: four years.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be awesome. Yeah, he is probably on physical tools,

785
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: like his vertical was insane, but his time was He's

786
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: a four six y five guy, that's about who you

787
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna be. He's not five to ten.

788
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: I think his vertical is like north of thirty five.

789
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: I'll have to look it up in a second, but

790
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: if you just saw the measurables and maybe saw a

791
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: snaper or two, you would probably say late day three,

792
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: maybe PDA. I had him as like a fourth rounder.

793
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: He ends up going in the third round or fourth.

794
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: They got him in the third, right at the bottom of

795
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: the third, top of the fourth's got of the fourth. Okay,

796
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: So that's exactly where had him going. And that's all

797
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: because of the way he approaches the game. And he

798
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: is without question the Telvis person in college football. Last season,

799
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: I tucked his teammates Samaro Simmons, who who played safety

800
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: for some state last year, and I said, what did

801
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: you think when he when he puked in that game

802
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: against I think it's a Texas game. At the end,

803
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: there he goes, oh, I knew things were about to

804
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: get real, and they did. He somehow got better after

805
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: puke and his brain's out on the sideline and he

806
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: went for plus one hundred I think. And we know

807
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: his versatility. He can throw the ball he punted the

808
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: ball a handful of times in twenty twenty three fairs

809
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: on the State, Like, he can literally do everything, and

810
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: his playing style does not lend us up to a

811
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: long career. But you know you're going to get the

812
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: most out of this kid, and he's gonna be a

813
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,959
Speaker 1: fun sort of balancing act with what you get from

814
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: Tyrone Tracy. They're gonna be two completely different type runners,

815
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: but both are going to be exciting and complete and

816
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: completely different ways.

817
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you, and I think the thing that

818
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: I like is that Ryan. Both guys can do everything.

819
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: They could both catch cam Scattabo is a you wouldn't

820
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: think if you just watched him run, you would think

821
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: the guy couldn't catch a cold.

822
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: But he's a really good receiver.

823
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: Yep.

824
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: So you could play either guy on third down, you

825
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 3: can play either guy on early downs.

826
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Speaker 2: It's a nice little pairing back there. I'm excited about it.

827
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty five er steps is just one drop. Last season,

828
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: I was wrong. He had eight punts in twenty twenty three,

829
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: which makes him even more awesome. Loven SAPs accord back

830
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: last season twenty snaps in the slot, played out wide

831
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: sometimes twenty four times, so he is his versatility. He

832
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: may not look like he's versatile, but he's gonna be

833
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: one of the most versatile players on the team. And

834
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone has better contact balance and

835
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: yards after contact than Cam Scataboo, because you may be genty,

836
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: maybe gent maybe gent, And that's only because people can't

837
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: get their hands on them, like people get their hands

838
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: on the Scataboo, and he's just dragging guys down the field.

839
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Speaker 1: So I love this pick. This is right around the

840
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: range I thought he got the board and it again,

841
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: it helps your offense. It doesn't necessitate a need to

842
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: throw the ball anymore. In fact, it makes you have

843
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 1: to throw it less, and then you have the defensive

844
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: guys you drafted. This feels like a draft where the

845
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: team had a plan in place and they're nailing the plan.

846
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it lean into the strength of the draft, right.

847
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 3: And this is what I tried to tell fans going

848
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 3: into this, Like you knew running back was gonna be deep.

849
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 3: You might not need a running back, but you should

850
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 3: pick one in this draft because the one you didn't

851
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 3: getting around four this draft might going around to in

852
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 3: another one. And I didn't think it was a great

853
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: off defensive line draft, though you could find guards. I

854
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 3: was surprised Marcus bo was sitting there in round five.

855
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: You know, you watch his feet move, and he looks

856
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 3: like a guy that can be a He wants me

857
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 3: a Zach Tom a little bit from the Packers right,

858
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: played tackle in college a little bit. Not the longest guy,

859
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 3: but he moves really well. You know, people think when

860
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 3: he came out, people thought Tom was going to move inside.

861
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 2: Right. People say the same thing about Marcus bow and

862
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: I think, just his feet.

863
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: If you can get his hand usage a little bit

864
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 3: better and his strength a little bit better, this guy

865
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 3: has the feet to be a starting offensive lineman in

866
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: the NFL.

867
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Speaker 1: It's funny, said, I'm looking at my notes here. I

868
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: had him as an early day three guy. He's a

869
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: project with high upside. Needs to add muscle and strength.

870
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: He's all over the place technically, but insane athleticism, shoty

871
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: footworking technique.

872
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: So right, you have the.

873
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: Mold of the guy you want. Athletically, No, it's just

874
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: a matter of getting him up to speed to do

875
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: the things technically that he can do to be successful.

876
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: Thirty two inch arms probably means he's kicking inside full time,

877
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: and that's okay.

878
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 2: Well, I should.

879
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 3: Note the combine there were thirty two and a half,

880
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: so there were probably in reality around thirty three the

881
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: way that we measured at the cop Pine.

882
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: That's true because one of my favorite players, Arman Membu,

883
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: went from thirty from six to three and changed to

884
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: six spwoards pro day, so everyone grew from the combine

885
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: to the pro Day. He did play right guard in

886
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, right tackle the last two seasons for Purdue,

887
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: so he does have that because a lot of times

888
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: when you have these conversations like these kids have never

889
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: played a different position. Oh, just move him inside. Yeah,

890
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: well you can say that, but at least bo has

891
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: the experience of playing inside previously. And if you can

892
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: get him right technically in round five this, I mean,

893
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: that's great value.

894
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 3: All right, Let's go to the next guy, Thomas Faedoni

895
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 3: at in Nebraska. I had a fourth round grade on him,

896
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 3: you know, going in, I looked at his numbers, I

897
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 3: saw the two knee surgeries, and I thought I'd find

898
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: this plotting dude that you know plays in Nebraska, and

899
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 3: then I put the tape on him, like dude, this

900
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 3: guy could move like he comes in and out of

901
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: his brakes. Well, he can run the scene. I think

902
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 3: he's got almost thirty four inch arms. This guy has

903
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: the potential. And I know he was playing in an

904
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: offense Nebraska where they weren't spreading it at and going

905
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 3: the huddle and throwing in a million times. I think

906
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: he's His production in the NFL could be better than

907
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 3: it was in college is based on his physical traits.

908
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: Yep. And I think the's two knee surgeries were the

909
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: reason he fell. I had him low day too early

910
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: day three. He did have thirty four inch arms. I

911
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: didn't know that. That's crazy. Four to seven and he

912
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: plays that fast. I said, he's a really good athlete.

913
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: Long strider, he gets on linebacker's toes and a hurry.

914
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: He gets out of breaks with urgency, big catch radius.

915
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: Only had one drop on fifty one targets. He can

916
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: make contested catches, absorbed hits, and get yards after the catch,

917
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: plays a good contact, balance his base, and runs some

918
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: arm tackles, so all the things you want. Even though

919
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: he's two forty three, I thought he played bigger than that,

920
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: good ten pounds heavier than that's the way I thought

921
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: he played. He's a high jump guy in high school

922
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: six y three, which was ninety second percentile among high

923
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: school kids going into college.

924
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: He ran the two.

925
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: Hundred meters, so as he sort of reinforced the long

926
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: strider note there earlier. Yeah, no one was talking about him,

927
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: in part because to your point, he played in Nebraska,

928
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: and Nebraska was sort of up and down and mostly

929
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 1: down down the stretch. But he was a a pleasant surprise.

930
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: He was at the Senior Bowl. He's a lot of

931
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: fun to watch because I had no expectations going in. Yeah,

932
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: he felt like to me watching Isaac Taslaw for the

933
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: first time at Arkansas, going oh my god, why is

934
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: no one talking about this kid. I saw Brad Holmes

935
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: say today they give up two third round picks to

936
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: go get him in round three, the Arkansas slot receiver.

937
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: He said he was his favorite wide receiver in the

938
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: draft class, which made me feel good because I was

939
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: driving to Isaac taslatchering, Yeah.

940
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. I liked him too.

941
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: I still think that was a little bit of a

942
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 3: steep price, very steep, but.

943
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: You think it would have been interesting if Ben Johnson's

944
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: still been there. You just think that they had this

945
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: thing figured out with Goff and amen Ra. We'll find out,

946
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: but that was a steep price, Like that was almost

947
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: a steepid price, is what the Giants paid? It felt

948
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: like right to go it was it was almost the.

949
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,800
Speaker 2: Same, which is crazy.

950
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, one more thing on Fidoni. I talked to his

951
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 3: tight ends coach yesterday. That's gonna Aaron on gihns little

952
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 3: podcast I think beginning of next week. Marcus Sadersfield and

953
00:38:57,800 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 3: he was a former He was with Matt Rule in Carolina,

954
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 3: so he coached in the NFL, right, and they basically

955
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 3: want a pro style system there. So I kind of

956
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 3: drive into him like like what the developmental curve is

957
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: for FDNI. He goes, look, he's gonna understand NFL terminology.

958
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 3: He's in an NFL huddle. He'd used him as a

959
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: y inline blocker, like he ran an NFL offense in college,

960
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: so he should be able to figure things out despite

961
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: the fact that he was a seventh rounder. That's the

962
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 3: guy that should figure out the NFL pretty quick.

963
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's a steal in the seventh round, and

964
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: again it's probably almost certainly injury related and this tiding

965
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: class was pretty deep as well. Yeah, but I had him,

966
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: like I said, late day two, early day three. So

967
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: again it's all about value and just strictly based on

968
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: my my draft board, the Giants got some of the

969
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: best value of any any teams picking.

970
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 3: And then finally, if you get a corner in the

971
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: seventh round that that that's six feet toll and runs

972
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 3: like a four three five, that that's just worth a

973
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 3: roll of the dice.

974
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: Right, yep, six at.

975
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: One ninety two four three five geezo pizza. It wasn't

976
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: invited to All Star games, I don't think certainly wasn't

977
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: butt into the combine, so he was a late watch

978
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: for me. Played mostly outside, had three interceptions, dropped two more,

979
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: had thirteen PPUs, so on paper he looks great. He

980
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: ran the four hundred hurdles. It was a long jump

981
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: guy all high levels coming out of high school. I said,

982
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: he's at his best playing off and coming downhill. Can

983
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: play man, But I liked him more on his zone

984
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: and reactions scheme. Big physical and looks apart little sip

985
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: sometimes out of his break, and like every cornerback in

986
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: college football, it feels like he plays outside or inside

987
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: for the matter. Just incredibly handsy and that's just something

988
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: you gotta work on. But again, seventh rounder, with the

989
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: way he looks here getting off the bus and he

990
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: has pretty good tape, what's the downside to take him? All? Right?

991
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 3: Ryan, we touched on with the Giants, did two big

992
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 3: picture questions. One, where do you see the Giants roster

993
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 3: right now? It seems like they've added a lot on defense.

994
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 3: Javon Howard in the offseason, Paulson Adebo in the off season,

995
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 3: the additions to the defensive line in the draft, to

996
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 3: Decks and Burns, it seems like talent wise on defense,

997
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: they've gone to the point now where they should be

998
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 3: able to hang in the NFC East.

999
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this defense has come a long way.

1000
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: It feels like right like it's hard to I love

1001
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: Tyler Nuban last year coming out. I'll ask you this.

1002
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: I know there have been some up and downs. I

1003
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: wasn't watching closely. Where are we on tay Banks at

1004
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: this point?

1005
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 3: I think you're still hoping that this is the year

1006
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 3: that he puts it together. He was better his rookie

1007
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 3: year than he was his second year. He was with

1008
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 3: think Martindale his first year played a lot more pressman

1009
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 3: was more zone and off stuff last year, which is

1010
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 3: something that he didn't do as much of in college, Ryan,

1011
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 3: as you know, so I think this is a big

1012
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 3: year for him. I think they really the thing about

1013
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: Tay Banks. He doesn't let guys get open, but even

1014
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: though he has them covered well, he doesn't do a

1015
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 3: good job of giving his head around and play. He

1016
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: doesn't play the ball particularly well, so a lot of

1017
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: times guys will make catches even though he's in a

1018
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 3: pretty good position, or he'll commit a defensive pass interference penalty.

1019
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 3: So those are the two things that he really needs

1020
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 3: to work on. His technique. It is able to locate

1021
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: the ball and play the ball in the air. If

1022
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 3: he figures that out, Guys don't run past him like

1023
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 3: he's too good of an athlete for that. So if

1024
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 3: you can figure that part out, he can I still

1025
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 3: think be a pretty good corner.

1026
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's the first place my eyes one. He's

1027
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: a former first round pick who, as you pointed out,

1028
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: and I remember him playing well as rookie season, but

1029
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: I lost track of him after that. My only other

1030
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 1: question is are we are we good with the tight

1031
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: end room after my league neighbors.

1032
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: Wide receiver room.

1033
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: You mean yeah, sorry, White wide receiver room.

1034
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, they just resigned Darius Layton.

1035
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 3: I think they like him as kind of a stretch

1036
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 3: the field, vertical guy opposite in Malik to kind of,

1037
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 3: you know, keep the safeties honest. And then this is

1038
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 3: the final year of ron Though Robinson's rookie contract, so

1039
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 3: I think it's a big year for him. They went

1040
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 3: out and you know, there were reports out there of

1041
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: some of the guys they target as a udfa's as

1042
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 3: a report that Daikon Felton might be one of those

1043
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 3: guys who's kind of that bigger, taller, big bodied receiver,

1044
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 3: which is something that's absent from the room right now

1045
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 3: except for Bryce Ford Wheaton, who's a guy that was

1046
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: an undrafted guy a couple years ago.

1047
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: That you're familiar with.

1048
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 3: I think they would have been very open to drafting

1049
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 3: a wide receiver in this draft if they hadn't traded

1050
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 3: that third round pick in the deal to move up

1051
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: for Dart. It would not have shocked me if that

1052
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: pick would have been a wide receiver. But I think

1053
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 3: that's the sacrifice they made to kind of go get

1054
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 3: the quarterback.

1055
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like, on paper, this feels like the

1056
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: over under. I would set it at eight and a half.

1057
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what Vegas is over unders for this team.

1058
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: And then it's a matter of does Russ get you

1059
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: another win and a half? Like how far down that

1060
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: road can you get?

1061
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: What?

1062
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: What were the Giants record last year obviously wasn't great, the.

1063
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: Pick three wins not the very bad three. So eight

1064
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 2: and a half.

1065
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: Feels like huge progress. And maybe I'm over overstating it,

1066
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: but on paper and given the direction that this team

1067
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: could potentially go, this is a good football team. Every

1068
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: team has holes, even well, the Eagles don't have holes,

1069
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: The Chiefs wy don't have holes up for their draft,

1070
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: but there's a reason those two teams played in the

1071
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But everybody else has gotten better, except for

1072
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: maybe the Bengals. I don't know what they're doing in

1073
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: the draft, but the question is how much better have

1074
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: you gotten? And this I would be interested. See, I'm

1075
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: sure the over runder is probably closer to six and

1076
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: a half or seven. I would say it at eight

1077
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: and a half. Have because I saw what Rust did

1078
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: last year in Pittsburgh and that team offensively was on

1079
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: the struggle bus the year before. He wasn't was he perfect?

1080
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 3: No?

1081
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: Was he great? At times? Yeah, there were flashes of

1082
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: Russ doing the things that we saw him do. But

1083
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: he needs a run game and he needs a defense,

1084
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: and that's exactly what the Giants have. They had bolstered

1085
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: those units certainly coming out of draft weekend.

1086
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, last thing I'll saying the Giants this year, Ryan,

1087
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 3: when you get a second, I'll give you the teams they,

1088
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: according to winning percentage last year, have the toughest schedule

1089
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 3: in the National Football League.

1090
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: Ohoy, And you probably sit.

1091
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 3: There and you're like, how does the fourth place team

1092
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 3: in the division have the toughest schedule in the National

1093
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: Football League? Well, when you had to play the Cowboys, Eagles,

1094
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 3: and Commanders six times, and then they played the AFC

1095
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 3: West and they played the NFC North.

1096
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, six and a half was closer to the reality.

1097
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: So their home schedule very quickly, Ryan, I'll give it

1098
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 3: to you.

1099
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 2: Please try not to fall out of your chair.

1100
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: So you have the three NFC East teams, right, Dallas,

1101
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 3: Philly and Washington, Green Bay, Minnesota, Kansas City, the forty

1102
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: nine Ers and the Chargers.

1103
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: All right here before you go on, let me it's

1104
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: hard to find a win. Okay. I wish you wouldn't

1105
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: have told me that I was so high if they

1106
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: went in to have games Joe Shane and Brian Dables

1107
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 1: to get a lifetime contracts.

1108
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 2: It is. It is just a really tough schedule.

1109
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 3: Now on the road, you have some easier games, you

1110
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 3: have the Raiders, the Saints, the Patriots, but you also

1111
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 3: have to go to Detroit, to Denver and to Chicago.

1112
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: So no, it is.

1113
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: It is a very very difficult schedule. So Russell Wilson's

1114
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 3: got to play well at the start of the year,

1115
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 3: and you hope the schedule makers maybe give him a

1116
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 3: couple of those easier games to start the year to

1117
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 3: try to get off to a dec.

1118
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: I can't believe there are two other teams the worst

1119
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: schedules than that.

1120
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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, no, there is it. They

1121
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 3: have the worst. They are they have the wors of

1122
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 3: thirty two. Yes, oh my gosh, they're thirty two of

1123
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 3: thirty two.

1124
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: It is all right, That's what I would if I'm

1125
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: the front office coaches STAF That's what I lead. The

1126
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: conversation with John marraw with, well, listen, by the way,

1127
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: we're getting the quarterback. But you have to understand some things.

1128
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: This schedule is brutal.

1129
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: Holy Moses, no, it is a tough schedule.

1130
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 3: All right, Before I say give by, Ryan, I respect

1131
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 3: your your takes on the drafts so much. Give me

1132
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 3: some of your big picture takeaway from the draft, some

1133
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 3: of your favorite classes, maybe something you didn't like. Just

1134
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 3: just give me, like your your top line summary of

1135
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 3: everything you've been saying on CBS in the past three days.

1136
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: All right, now to Rep. Salt in New And I

1137
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: guess I thought the Eagles absolutely crushed it. I mean

1138
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: to get Jahid Campbell at thirty one, trade up for

1139
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick. He's going to be Day one starter,

1140
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be He is going to be awesome

1141
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: next to Zach Bond and in that big Fangio defense.

1142
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: Andrew Mcooba their second round pick. I had a second

1143
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: round grande in him. He's one eighty five ish, but

1144
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: he plays like he's two ten.

1145
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: And he's a missile. He's a missiles.

1146
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: He's a missile. He is so smart. The common Cord pick.

1147
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm a Syracuse guy, so I they'll develop him and

1148
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: how he will flip him for a third round pick,

1149
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: No doubt about it.

1150
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 3: By the way, I thought the Commanders and the Cowboys

1151
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 3: both had good drafts too, which I was not thrilled about.

1152
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Commander's only had what five picks here, But

1153
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: Josh Connelly Jr. He might even slip inside and starting

1154
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: guard early on because Sam Cosby got heard. Terry Amos

1155
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: is the is the repudiation of the Emmanuel Forbes pick

1156
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: from a few years ago before Adam Peters got there.

1157
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: He is long, he's physical. Your guy, Jackson Dart told

1158
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: me he was the best cornerback he faced in the SEC.

1159
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: Who's the other team in the Dallas Oh let's see that?

1160
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah the Cowboys. Oh my gosh. The Tyler Booker

1161
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: pick lay up as a Rocky at forty four feels

1162
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: like a steal. SUV and Revel in the third round.

1163
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 1: The ACL injury feels like a steal because they had

1164
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: a first runing RD on him. Jayden Blue is super

1165
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: juiced up. I love that pick as well, and I

1166
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: like to fiel MafA at a Clemson as sort of

1167
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: a bruising running back. My number one best draft according

1168
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: to the seventy five hundred words I wrote was to

1169
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, and I wonder Maxwell, Harrison, TJ. Sanders Land

1170
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: and Jackson. They went and Dean Walker might have been

1171
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: my favorite pick of the draft class. In the fourth round,

1172
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,919
Speaker 1: they went defensive defense the first four picks, first five picks,

1173
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: excuse me, and their first offensive pick was the best

1174
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: blocking tight end. So they told Josh Allen, look, you

1175
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: got a handle to lay offense. We're gonna get this

1176
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: defense right. And I wonder John if this is finally

1177
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 1: the draft that gets them over the hump against Kansas

1178
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: City because the other team is the Raves. Raves had

1179
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: a great draft too, and if they were able to

1180
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: get that, you know, get the you know the term

1181
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to use to to sort of break the curse,

1182
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: if you will, of the Kansas City Chiefs over both

1183
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: those teams. The Chiefs crush their draft as well, but

1184
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: I the way the Bills and the Ravens approaches saying

1185
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: I have nothing but admiration and respect for what they're

1186
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: able to do.

1187
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 2: And you hit it.

1188
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: I think my favorite draft. And I thought the Giants

1189
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 3: had a great draft. The teams you mentioned I thought

1190
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: did really well.

1191
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 2: Too.

1192
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 3: I think the Patriots had a nice little draft. The

1193
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 3: Chiefs man, like, what an unbelievable draft by them. I

1194
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: thought they were just phenomenal. I thought they did a

1195
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 3: great job. Brashard Smith in the seventh round. That guy's

1196
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 3: gonna be getting half their carries at running back by

1197
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 3: mid season.

1198
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: I think I ate late too great on him.

1199
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 3: I was so I Loveshard Smith. I thought he was fantastic.

1200
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: You know, I'm I'm right up their full class now.

1201
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 3: But my goodness, like they just did such a nice job.

1202
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: Simmons.

1203
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 3: I think is gonna be the best left tackle in

1204
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 3: this class once he gets healthy. Olma Norman Lot put

1205
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 3: him next to Chris Jones on passing downs. Good luck

1206
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: guards and centers around the league. Ashton Jelot's a good

1207
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 3: defensive end. Noel Williams is a big tall I mean,

1208
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,479
Speaker 3: could you have a better corner to play in Steve

1209
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: Spagnolo's like bump and run system.

1210
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: It's perfect. I think he is going to be what

1211
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: they were hoping Josh Williams was going to be out

1212
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 1: of Favle State.

1213
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1214
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Bossa is a smart athletic linebacker former safety. Right

1215
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 3: if remember right and and Jalen Royals. I had a

1216
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: third round grane on and all the people had second

1217
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: round grades on him.

1218
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, I have come on like he's.

1219
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 2: A good player. They they have guys up and down

1220
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 2: that draft that are just phenomenal.

1221
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: He is rashid Rice two point zero with I would

1222
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: hope he doesn't drive one hundred and fifty miles an hour.

1223
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: I think that's the difference because that's what's part of

1224
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: what she's issue. But Jalen Royals, they use him a

1225
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: lot at Utah State, like Western Kentucky's Malackki correlate a

1226
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: lot of to the line of scrimmer stuff. But he

1227
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: can push the ball down the field, he can stack dbs,

1228
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: and it just feels like he is gonna eat in

1229
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: that offense withshar Smith. Like if you told me Jalen

1230
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 1: Royals and Breshard Smith were the two most productive rookie

1231
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 1: wide receiver slash running backs in this class, I would

1232
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: believe you, and I would I would bet the odds

1233
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: be like minus five hundred. Like, I don't even know

1234
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 1: who else is going to compete in that offense as

1235
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: rookies to put up those sorts of numbers that I

1236
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 1: expect those guys will.

1237
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 3: I'm with you, all right, final question, and I appreciate

1238
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 3: the timeline. This has been fun going back to the

1239
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 3: fifth chat, this has been great. Give me something you

1240
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 3: didn't like about the draft. I know you mentioned the

1241
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 3: Bengals before anyone else that that kind of had you

1242
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 3: scratch in your head when all was said and done, so.

1243
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: The Bengals traded. Oh no, it's the Bengals. I'll get

1244
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: to said the shamar Sewart. Thing is that gonna be

1245
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: Miles Murphy two point zero athletically, he's insane. They drafted

1246
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: two off all linebackers. Okay, we'll see. Todge Brooks is

1247
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: Dylan Fairchild. I like to pick him third round, the guard.

1248
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: He's probably gonna Startday one. I like Todge Brooks to

1249
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: run back in the sixth round.

1250
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 3: Uh.

1251
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: The other one was the Browns. I love what they

1252
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: did at the top, trading down get the first round pick,

1253
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,439
Speaker 1: getting Mason Graham. The picks they acquired from Jacksonville turned

1254
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: into two running backs, Quenchewn Junkins and Dylan Sampson, who

1255
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: I like.

1256
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 3: By the way, I think that's actually a really good pairing.

1257
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 3: I think they're good players.

1258
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: They are good players and they need running back. Nick

1259
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: Chubb I almost certainly won't return. I wasn't as high

1260
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: on Dylan Sampson as some other people were, Quinchewn Jenkins.

1261
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: I like Trey Henderson better, but whatever you can take

1262
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: him here. I love the Carson Sweestnger pick. I love

1263
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: the Harrold fanin Pick.

1264
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 2: I was just.

1265
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 1: Confused by taking a quarterback in Dylan Gabriel the third

1266
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: and then two picks later or two rounds later, taking Shador.

1267
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: I didn't love Dylan Gabriel as a third rounder. I

1268
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: love his attitude, like I would run through a wall

1269
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: for that guy after we had a chance to talk

1270
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: to him.

1271
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 3: That guy is going to be a backup quarterback in

1272
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 3: the league for fifteen years.

1273
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: It feels like it. I have questions about his ability

1274
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: to process quickly, but he has a better arm in

1275
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: the Shadoor, which is crazy thing to say out loud,

1276
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: but I think it's true. I just want to know

1277
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: what the plan is a quarterback with Kenny Picka, Joe Laco.

1278
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: I think Deshaun watches he's not going to come back.

1279
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: But now you have four guys, I would imagine you

1280
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: try to trade one of those guys. One of those

1281
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: guy is gonna get released. Who's it gonna be. There's

1282
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: no Isster Sanders is going to make his way to

1283
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: the practice squad, so on and so forth. I think

1284
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: this is the best case scenario for she Dor to

1285
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: get sort of have this happen now it's opposed to

1286
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: two years from now, and maybe he can reset his

1287
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: mindset in terms of how he's gonna approach this. And

1288
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: I feel bad for Deylan Gabriel, like, Dylan Gabriel is

1289
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: a big winner at the end of the day too,

1290
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: and then you know, twenty four hours later he's like, man,

1291
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: this sucks for me because now I'm not going to

1292
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: be the heir apparent as a backup. I'm gonna have

1293
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: to earn it. But that's okay. His whole life has

1294
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: been trying to earn things.

1295
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, I think both of us have a pretty

1296
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 3: good feel for Dylan Gabriel on his personality. I guarantee

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Speaker 3: you he is just working his butt off already getting

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Speaker 3: ready for that competition to win that job.

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Speaker 1: It's not the first time that he's had to had

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Speaker 1: to prove himself and he's probably doing it and that

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Speaker 1: might win that white mini man. He drives around like

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Speaker 1: he's like he's a soccer mom. I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love it too, all right, U Ryan, tell the

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Speaker 3: folks when they can find all your great work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So do a trap podcast all year round with

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Speaker 1: the first pick. Did it with our buddy Rix Bielm

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Speaker 1: until he made his way to the New York Jets.

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Speaker 1: And now we have a lucky to have ran kart On,

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Speaker 1: the former Titians center manager, who is awesome. That's a

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Speaker 1: ton of knowledge. He was in the front offices of

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Speaker 1: every single team you can think of, from Atlanta to

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Speaker 1: the Rams to the forty nine ers and of course

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Speaker 1: the Titans for the last seventeen years. So he's been

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Speaker 1: a great addition. And we'll be going strong all summer long, John,

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Speaker 1: until it's time for college football and to start talking

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Speaker 1: about these rookies again. So I suppose there's some wrestling

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Speaker 1: there somewhere. I just don't know where it is.

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Speaker 3: Ryan Wilson joining us in the Giants Little Podcast in

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Speaker 3: the Hackensack and Marine Held Podcast udio. Keep getting better.

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Speaker 3: For Ryan, I'm John Shmall. Thanks for joining us on

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Speaker 3: the Giants Little Podcast. Brought to you by Citizens the

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Speaker 3: official bank of the giants,