Speaker 1: Look mad oh, I see you? Why look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, let ding dong. I
Speaker 1: have to catch up because Bowen just said I was
Speaker 1: this generation's would be Goldburg. Well, and we just for
Speaker 1: context one of us said, don't go, I think, and
Speaker 1: then Matt said, that's what we said to Sherry Shepherd
Speaker 1: the day after Obama okay, history last night here we
Speaker 1: go to the girls was a punch. No, so this
Speaker 1: is just this is just you as from the anals
Speaker 1: of my memories? So is it anals? Animals? Anals? But
Speaker 1: anals works in this What were you to say? Anals
Speaker 1: of my memory and that work. I don't know my words,
Speaker 1: but I do know my heart. It's been a long
Speaker 1: time since we said that, and it's been a long
Speaker 1: time since Whoopi Goldberg said don't go right now to
Speaker 1: Sherry Shepherd, who was overcome with emotion the day after
Speaker 1: election day two thousand and eight. We all remember it
Speaker 1: when Obama was white boy into her elected and um
Speaker 1: Sherry said. Sherry Shepherd was on the fence about who
Speaker 1: to vote for until she got into the booth. That
Speaker 1: this is famous context. She didn't know which way their icon.
Speaker 1: Sherry stopperd did not know who to vote for between
Speaker 1: John McKay and Barack Obama. So then in the booth
Speaker 1: she was overcome with emotion and she realized she had
Speaker 1: to vote for Obama because she wanted to be able
Speaker 1: to say to Jeffrey, her son and her her son's
Speaker 1: name is Jeffrey, and this is something that I do
Speaker 1: remember as well. She wanted to say, no limitations, and
Speaker 1: she started to cry, and whoop Be reached over and
Speaker 1: grabbed her hand and said, don't go don't don't go
Speaker 1: right now, don't go right now, don't go right now.
Speaker 1: I'm almost misquoted and said, don't go yet, don't go
Speaker 1: right don't go right now. And she said, no, I know,
Speaker 1: I know, I'm strong. I voted for Obama. And I
Speaker 1: just want to say that, like Matt Rodgers is Argent
Speaker 1: SWOOPI Goldberg, who are you have that effect? Like if
Speaker 1: you were if you were in the movie Ghost, you
Speaker 1: would have been the person to deliver like all those
Speaker 1: iconic lines. You think I would have stole the film.
Speaker 1: I think you would have stolen the film one of
Speaker 1: on the Oscar. I think, um, that's huge. He got potential.
Speaker 1: You think for you. Oh, I'm not even joking. Yes,
Speaker 1: he got potential. For Matt Rodgers, I'm not. You're my
Speaker 1: greatest friend on earth. You're my greatest to say that
Speaker 1: about me. You readers, get yourself a friend who says
Speaker 1: you have you got potential, especially when it's true. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of readers out there have you
Speaker 1: got potential, But you need a friend who will affirm
Speaker 1: that in you. Literally we're not bringing the guests in
Speaker 1: just yet, but the guests does have guest absolutely has
Speaker 1: he got potential. It has to be said unquestionably. So
Speaker 1: there's no question, there's no question which makes it. There
Speaker 1: are no boundaries, no limitations, as sh as, no boundaries
Speaker 1: as who said no boundaries, There are no boundaries. Who
Speaker 1: was flat, who was on the note? Don't know for
Speaker 1: you to decide. And I think this is a perfect
Speaker 1: way to bring the guests in. Well, it actually is.
Speaker 1: And while we've sort of rocketed through the opening of them,
Speaker 1: know this is this is record time. We're we're really
Speaker 1: kind of just closing the closing the gap on you
Speaker 1: want to happening what. I think we're excited, we're so
Speaker 1: I think we're so excited for several reasons. We're in
Speaker 1: a studio together and in a new setting, in a
Speaker 1: new setting. Talk about the colors. The colors are very red,
Speaker 1: very I heart. We're at thea Heeart Radio sort of
Speaker 1: building next to where else, Carnegie Hall? Where else Carnegie
Speaker 1: you at all? You know, if I thought of what
Speaker 1: as I walked past Carnegie Hall, the three busy Debors,
Speaker 1: three busy DeBras, of course, Judy Garland, of course, also
Speaker 1: Margaret Margaret, I was like, God, notorious DHL I connect.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that that that was there, that was
Speaker 1: that was the Carnegie Hall, right, I mean, she's probably
Speaker 1: just stomped the boards at Carnegie Hall anytime, of course,
Speaker 1: as so many talents have, like three Busy Debors and
Speaker 1: Judy Garland, the Cannon, the Canada, the Pantheon. You know,
Speaker 1: who could perform at Carnegie Hall. Our guests, Our guests,
Speaker 1: our guests. Let's talk about our guests. So what's the
Speaker 1: what I mean, here's the thing, talk about icon talk
Speaker 1: about alongside coming on the pod A long time coming
Speaker 1: on the pod. One of those one of those guests
Speaker 1: where you're like, I I guess, I guess she's listening,
Speaker 1: you know, like, I guess I'd better be careful. I
Speaker 1: gotta watch what I say. Not not not because just
Speaker 1: because I'm like, oh, people of this caliber are listening
Speaker 1: to the show. That's the thing. It's like when you
Speaker 1: find out that the guests reached out and said I
Speaker 1: listened to the pod, was just like, that's like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? And the and and now with now
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so now influencers, people in the community
Speaker 1: who are moving and shaking cultural icons are listening to
Speaker 1: the pod. It's like, I better watch what I say
Speaker 1: about say, Sherry Shepherd, maybe she listens. It's not even
Speaker 1: this as an icon on Therry Shepherd level. I didn't that.
Speaker 1: That's why I caught myself earlier. I wasn't me being like,
Speaker 1: I better watch what I say in terms of like
Speaker 1: like like like disparaging people. I'm saying in terms of
Speaker 1: like the tone said, you want this to be like
Speaker 1: a classy pod, not even not even like in terms
Speaker 1: of respectability. I mean in terms of, like, you know,
Speaker 1: we have to like we have to consider the audience
Speaker 1: sometimes yeah, and the audience comprises of our guests by
Speaker 1: the same token we do to drag some of the
Speaker 1: girls we say, we famously say with Drag Race, we
Speaker 1: have strong opinions and could we never never do her
Speaker 1: do what they do, And that I think gives us
Speaker 1: the freedom to sort of say, didn't love that. That's
Speaker 1: a healthy thing for anybody who does not do Drag,
Speaker 1: who watches that show, who has strong opinions about those
Speaker 1: people like you must have some awareness around the fact
Speaker 1: that you can never do what they do. First, admit
Speaker 1: that you, in the eyes of God, are horseships and
Speaker 1: don't deserve to actually bringthe the same heiress. Then and
Speaker 1: then drag And speaking of God, I mean to quote
Speaker 1: a famous a wise person, Brick Ashley. We have called
Speaker 1: them everything but a child of God? Can we say it?
Speaker 1: First of all, say, my ContraPoints is the brook Actley.
Speaker 1: She's the number one House five recapper and she's not.
Speaker 1: She always puts on something cute, she always puts a
Speaker 1: bottle of wine on ice next to her. She's my
Speaker 1: favorite house ice recap, but she's not the number of her.
Speaker 1: Her numbers are like, are decent. We want to get
Speaker 1: those numbers out, of course, girl, But you cannot come
Speaker 1: out here and say that she's like the top the
Speaker 1: sort of the top house size wish, I know, but
Speaker 1: she's on her way. She's on her way, and I
Speaker 1: will comment on her YouTube videos. She's it's the only
Speaker 1: YouTube channel I comment on because I watched them and
Speaker 1: they're they're glorious. And she has some iconic catch phrases
Speaker 1: like this person is crazier than a soup sandwich, which
Speaker 1: because what's crazier than nothing except thing? It's not maybe
Speaker 1: Ramona crazy crazy ass. And she says after everything, but
Speaker 1: I digress, And then she begins every week hap with
Speaker 1: we do not have to spare Brooke Ashley, please check
Speaker 1: her out. Okay, so sorry, I just wanted to That
Speaker 1: was we digressed right there, we digressed. She does have merged,
Speaker 1: she does have merged. I'm getting aff mug, but I digress.
Speaker 1: Our guest is someone who we've been honored to have
Speaker 1: at the live shows. Do I don't think and perform
Speaker 1: um she I think is is one of my favorite girls,
Speaker 1: one of the dolls. Also, I always kind of famously
Speaker 1: iconically makeup that I was there the first night she
Speaker 1: ever did drag. I think I was there early on
Speaker 1: at Lady Liberty when she was still sort of solely
Speaker 1: doing Chris Jenner, and then I think I've made up
Speaker 1: over time. It's like, you know when a lie grows apocryphal?
Speaker 1: What's that? It's like like an origin story that is
Speaker 1: so wild that it can't possibly be true, sort of
Speaker 1: like um Atlantiste absolutely, story of Atlanta absolutely. Like you
Speaker 1: find a little shell on the ground and you pick
Speaker 1: it up and you say, Atlantes apocryphal, apocryphy? Did you say?
Speaker 1: I would say, our guest is an iconic queen that
Speaker 1: you may know from RuPaul's Drag Race and RuPaul's Drag Race.
Speaker 1: All Stars not for nothing. I believe the seasons were
Speaker 1: twelve and All Stars six recently wrapped the journey on
Speaker 1: All Stars six. And we're here to get takes, and
Speaker 1: we're here to get elaborations, well, insights, whatever she wants
Speaker 1: to share. Yeah, I care. She could she could be like,
Speaker 1: we're not talking about that, and I would respect and
Speaker 1: we just would go in my body. And she is
Speaker 1: someone who I think is in is competitive for a
Speaker 1: lot of categories at the Lost Culture, such a many categories,
Speaker 1: especially for the biggest word of the night, the Christina Award,
Speaker 1: which the readers have the publicist, sorry, I have now
Speaker 1: the front runner for the Christina Award should be jan
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we'll cut that out. Okay, No, it's fine.
Speaker 1: Our guest welcome, jan Hello. Literally that introduction, I would
Speaker 1: have thought that Dwayne the Rock Johnson was going to
Speaker 1: be on this podcast. Right, recall yourself not doing the
Speaker 1: rock just like Maddis the Whoopi Goldberg of our generation,
Speaker 1: you are doing the rock Johnson of our generation. I
Speaker 1: feel wonderful, but I'm open to its one I what
Speaker 1: can't happen, you can't can't happen. We sit here in
Speaker 1: the middle of a tempest, a storm, iconic storm, and
Speaker 1: guess what they said it would be a hurricane. And
Speaker 1: she she dove right into the ocean. They said one
Speaker 1: thing could happen, and something else happened. She actually came
Speaker 1: onto that b o. Oh my god. And here we
Speaker 1: have Janne kind of potentially cannibalizing her own chances that
Speaker 1: winning the award by pitching another contender. I couldn't believe
Speaker 1: we were saying on, well, you know, I was out
Speaker 1: here staying on. That's what it was, right, it was,
Speaker 1: but put us actually going for it and saying that
Speaker 1: it was. This is my first time hearing it out
Speaker 1: loud and it really is unsettling and also referring to
Speaker 1: it ass And you know, I'm kind of glad it's
Speaker 1: not a Henry because there because Henry is a tough
Speaker 1: name for me. And that's all all said. It can
Speaker 1: be a loaded name for me as well, depending depending
Speaker 1: so in your life. No, you know, it hasn't. It
Speaker 1: totally hasn't. I don't think I actually have met in
Speaker 1: person as a single Henry in the past, like a
Speaker 1: couple of years. Yeah, that's wow. Who's the last one.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even tell you. Well, I'm saying that we
Speaker 1: did not meet her this week. Now, she wasn't named that,
Speaker 1: and be she dove. She decided to make a hard right.
Speaker 1: She decided to make a hard right, and we pray
Speaker 1: for the people in New England. Did you have any
Speaker 1: friends that got evacuated from the f I absolutely, I
Speaker 1: think we. I think we actually all know somebody who
Speaker 1: did and it was affected by that. I knew a
Speaker 1: dog's birthday party that got canceled, and I I don't
Speaker 1: know dog a dog, a dog a dog. I don't
Speaker 1: know how people are hoping. And I'm just sending all
Speaker 1: my love and energy out to thank you and thank
Speaker 1: you Jane. There is I read our friend Brian Voss
Speaker 1: posted like he tweeted something like years ago there was
Speaker 1: another hurricane that was about to hit Fire Islands. It's
Speaker 1: like two thousand four, and there was a there was
Speaker 1: a woman who had all of these dogs who refused
Speaker 1: to leave the island. She says, I can't have them die,
Speaker 1: and if they die, then I want to die with them. Okay, people,
Speaker 1: I think everyone was okay, and the dogs okay. But
Speaker 1: people on the island must, must, must do what's safest
Speaker 1: for them. You know some people live on the island.
Speaker 1: You're around, Oh, I fully do. Yeah, yeah, I went
Speaker 1: to high school with some of the girls. Do you
Speaker 1: have any concept of what it's like in the in
Speaker 1: the cold monthes? Like? Do we not fun? Like? Where
Speaker 1: are they going? There's already no food to be had
Speaker 1: in the island. Where are they going? Have you been
Speaker 1: on the island in the winter. Yeah, we're talking about
Speaker 1: island fire. People almost go And why wouldn't you, Derek
Speaker 1: have also gone in the summer and not the winter.
Speaker 1: It's sort of a big question. We're talking to hot
Speaker 1: engineer Derek. Yeah, h d is here fish um you
Speaker 1: know when in the winter the fire island Pines doesn't
Speaker 1: have those long island teams to help run it, so
Speaker 1: really system falls totally. Well. One of the DJs that
Speaker 1: works at Pieces, d J Mcbrowski, we love, lives out
Speaker 1: there and he does commune, so we would I want.
Speaker 1: He seems to love it. Yeah, and you know what,
Speaker 1: if you love it, good for you. Good, it's good
Speaker 1: for you. George hang out with the deer, well it's infested.
Speaker 1: Are we going to get to the point where we
Speaker 1: I was talking to someone today where he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about buying property upstate, and I'm like, and do
Speaker 1: like the whole like Hudson to New York sort of
Speaker 1: like let's just say, I don't know about buying property
Speaker 1: on Fine Island. No, no, no, of course not. But
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like it's a similar lifestyle situation where it's
Speaker 1: like you're you're commuting into the city community and then
Speaker 1: you're and then you're going back out to like your
Speaker 1: actual like sanctuary wherever it is. I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know that I'll ever do that. You don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about that for for being in l A
Speaker 1: Now wow, oh, my god, you don't live here, right,
Speaker 1: I do not. And my friends are like, are you
Speaker 1: reconnecting with New York? And I was like, I gotta
Speaker 1: say no, it's like not because we're actually early on
Speaker 1: in the Hurricane sees and already on re has sort
Speaker 1: of played with the girls. Yeah. Um, speaking of Fire Island, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when I was last there, you treated us to a
Speaker 1: performance and we spoke about it on this pod I did.
Speaker 1: I had so much fun that day. That was like
Speaker 1: I think the day after I had one the Lady
Speaker 1: Gaga was I was high off of life, bitch. I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to go to Fire Island and
Speaker 1: do a show for the people by the people. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a blast. I was happy that you were there.
Speaker 1: Was lit up, it was fun. My favorite moment of
Speaker 1: it was there was jan kept describing herself as lucky
Speaker 1: and there was a woman there who this this was
Speaker 1: iconic ye and she she goes this woman next to
Speaker 1: who by the way house and I were chatting them up. Um,
Speaker 1: this woman like was in the industry somehow. She was
Speaker 1: like used to be like shares manager or something. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like not in a minor way, like she was in
Speaker 1: the industry and an absolutely major Yeah. So then so
Speaker 1: then Jan's taking questions and going through like crushing and
Speaker 1: then this one goes, I just want to say something
Speaker 1: to you. You keep using the word lucky. You're not lucky.
Speaker 1: You're talented and you worked hard and you're fortunate, but
Speaker 1: you made your own path and you did that. You
Speaker 1: did that, so don't ever I don't ever want to
Speaker 1: hear you stay lucky again. And Jan's just like, thank
Speaker 1: you so much, mama. Yeah, yeah, no, I really couldn't
Speaker 1: do anything other in that moment than just like receive
Speaker 1: because it was like a full ship, like you know me,
Speaker 1: I'm like very talkative, very like loud, and she was like,
Speaker 1: we're actually gonna take this down. That was the full intermission, honey.
Speaker 1: She said, this is the full stop and we're going
Speaker 1: to gather ourselves and so did you want to gather
Speaker 1: you in the process? And but to be honest, it
Speaker 1: resonates like anytime I like think about that, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful, but oh no, you know, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: can't stay lucky. Why you're so lucky? Well? Were you
Speaker 1: trying to break out of the intermission in a way?
Speaker 1: By being like, thank you so much, mama, or was
Speaker 1: that like just her like honoring that what she was
Speaker 1: saying that was my most genuine way of saying I
Speaker 1: received that. We were it was just because the woman
Speaker 1: was next to us. We were literally and all of yeah,
Speaker 1: all of y'all mouth on the floor, and I mean
Speaker 1: same too. I was like, is this it's for real?
Speaker 1: She really fully was like, let me just tell you
Speaker 1: something that's actually going to change your life in this
Speaker 1: moment of the woman managed share with injuries out on
Speaker 1: one part of her career. And there was like the
Speaker 1: life coach who was to me what my favorite color was?
Speaker 1: What color? What the best best? And actually we have
Speaker 1: a category most colors and it's really hotly contested. Well
Speaker 1: and your answer was you were going to say, I
Speaker 1: know yeah. I was like I think orange is that
Speaker 1: bit in that category? And but afterwards he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I know that. I didn't ask you like
Speaker 1: anything like life coach later and I was just like, like,
Speaker 1: you kept it light and bright and gay and gave
Speaker 1: me a color question. Um, but I was fully he
Speaker 1: was like, you know, you just need to start letting
Speaker 1: things come to you. And I was like He's like,
Speaker 1: you are so like good, like you just had a
Speaker 1: great time here. He's like, let things come to you more.
Speaker 1: And I was like, hey, this is the school for
Speaker 1: girls right now and a pavilion and I'm actually getting
Speaker 1: an education. Yes, oh my god. I mean, look, I
Speaker 1: want to say something potentially stupid, but don't you guys,
Speaker 1: And this is anybody listening when not to be agist,
Speaker 1: but when an older person like really like looks into
Speaker 1: your soul and tries to impart something onto you. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's because I'm getting older, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, thank you so much for saying that.
Speaker 1: I like really receive it now. Well, whenever, there's always
Speaker 1: like an assumption that it's going to be poignant and
Speaker 1: useful and sometimes iconically and yeah, the real ones are
Speaker 1: few and far in between. When they hit, they had
Speaker 1: this woman hit the manager, the shares manager hit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they both hit, and they made Drew Way. I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: these are actually things that I will like use in
Speaker 1: my everyday life now. But now every time anyone ever
Speaker 1: says anything to me, I'm just gonna go, thanks so much, mama,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. That's how it happened. I can't
Speaker 1: believe that in the flash. So speaking of speaking of
Speaker 1: sort of, um really if we're talking about the pavilion
Speaker 1: and slang, we just watched this last episode, and this
Speaker 1: was the episode where Silky Nut Meganosh did win six
Speaker 1: lip syncs in a row, and I actually have to say,
Speaker 1: if there was one that I don't think she won,
Speaker 1: it was the one I used. Thanks, you know, I
Speaker 1: heartbreaker was was was lip sync and you came in ready?
Speaker 1: I I came in ready. I like literally could not
Speaker 1: have been more emotionally exhausted the fact that I just
Speaker 1: walked in and was like, Hey, I'm actually gonna have
Speaker 1: zero expression right now and just save any lick of
Speaker 1: energy for this, Like Tina Knowles is there, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I need to focus. Knowles, did you know that it
Speaker 1: was gonna be Tina on the bench. They told me
Speaker 1: a second, a single second before I worked out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: That's exactly how it was. Like just in, FYI, Tina
Speaker 1: is here, all right, jan We're going on one. I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, cool, and so and and and so.
Speaker 1: Of course my initial reaction is walking out looking absolutely furious,
Speaker 1: you know, just me and things. Um, but I was
Speaker 1: really really gagged and it was a fun lip sync.
Speaker 1: I saw Sulky with the guitar and I was just like, Mama,
Speaker 1: I'm so thrilled that I have all these pins in
Speaker 1: this fucking hair because I got a whip for my life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I did, but it was it was fun. I'm
Speaker 1: happy that I could redeem myself after two ill received
Speaker 1: lip sings on the show and coming out here in
Speaker 1: a third way with um with just a little heartbreaker,
Speaker 1: a little, just a little. And also we finally saw
Speaker 1: Rue give you some goddamn credit. Can I tell you?
Speaker 1: I completely forgot that that even happened. And then I
Speaker 1: watched it after and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Like that's really great, Like that's awesome, Like I'm just
Speaker 1: so happy to be seen right now. And it's like
Speaker 1: a nice way to close the chapter. Like I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'll be going like you know, who
Speaker 1: knows what the future holds, But I'm like, you know
Speaker 1: what if this was the last thing. That was the
Speaker 1: other thing too with the lips, and I was like,
Speaker 1: maybe this could be the very last time that you
Speaker 1: were on this stage. Have fun, live your life, and
Speaker 1: just enjoy it because it's a dream come true. Is
Speaker 1: there a feeling of actual closure now that the episode
Speaker 1: is aired? Was that the final thing that needed to
Speaker 1: feel totally totally? It was like I just went through
Speaker 1: ups and downs when I was like watching the episodes
Speaker 1: this season and you know, it's it's just crazy being
Speaker 1: on it because you think it it's going to be
Speaker 1: one thing and it's not, but it's still great, like
Speaker 1: your life completely changes, and I was just like a
Speaker 1: little down on myself. I was like, oh wow, this
Speaker 1: is like not fun to experience. I'm not having fun tonight.
Speaker 1: And then I but that like just seeing that, I
Speaker 1: was like, this is this is a great way to
Speaker 1: literally close the chapter. And I like left. I literally
Speaker 1: told them, I was like, I'm actually leaving this season
Speaker 1: feeling so much more confident and happy about the prospect
Speaker 1: of my future in like not even in drag, which
Speaker 1: is an artist. I'm just so happy to like leave
Speaker 1: this season feeling rejuvenated for my career and I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see what the future holds. Where after season twelve,
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, like didn't when any challenges, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm over, I'm done and I'm like, okay, cool, Like
Speaker 1: I'm actually not like I'm going to figure it out.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be fine. And I kind of think there's
Speaker 1: something to it being quote unquote like condensed experience for
Speaker 1: you were like right off of twelve relatively soon after
Speaker 1: twelve when to you into sex? Right? Does that? I
Speaker 1: feel like there is a a a nice sort of
Speaker 1: packing of that for you, where like, I mean, I
Speaker 1: think part of the narrative for you, Jan is that
Speaker 1: like at least like among people who like get it,
Speaker 1: is that like this poor fucking person got like put
Speaker 1: through the emotional ringer in terms of like her identity
Speaker 1: is like an artist. It's like you were like undeniably
Speaker 1: talented and like so so so so good for your
Speaker 1: entire time there. But it's like it's like it's it
Speaker 1: always like pisces the audience off in a way sometimes
Speaker 1: where it's like, why isn't this being recognized in the
Speaker 1: way that like feels so so so clear. Did you
Speaker 1: feel that you were not? Did you feel that you
Speaker 1: were like in any way like like not recognized or
Speaker 1: like they that that you felt just like in any
Speaker 1: way like what the fuck? Totally, I I just like
Speaker 1: went on season twelve, being like, okay, like I've I've
Speaker 1: anything that I really put my mind to in drag
Speaker 1: has come to me and I've been able to meet
Speaker 1: opportunity with hard work. And I was like, that's what
Speaker 1: Drag Race is going to be for me, and it
Speaker 1: just wasn't. And that's but that's okay, Like it was
Speaker 1: the biggest learning lesson of my life. Like sometimes it's
Speaker 1: just not gonna go your way. And of course I
Speaker 1: feel like, oh wow, like I don't think people are
Speaker 1: understanding me or not getting me. But again, I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's just life. I'm not going to be able to
Speaker 1: literally please everyone. That was me. I grew up like
Speaker 1: a pleaser person, going to like all boys Catholic school,
Speaker 1: like literally needing to be like everything for everyone, And
Speaker 1: actually I actually don't need to do that anymore. And
Speaker 1: because because even if I try to do it, look
Speaker 1: what happens. Like it's like people are still not gonna
Speaker 1: like love me. But you know what's great the people
Speaker 1: who do really and that's amazing. That's that's the best
Speaker 1: takeaway going in like person and traveling and stuff and
Speaker 1: like seeing these fans who come out and it's just
Speaker 1: like you've helped me like learn things about myself. You've
Speaker 1: like it's amazing to watch you grow, Like you helped
Speaker 1: me want to start drag. I'm like, that's what it's for, Like,
Speaker 1: that's that's awesome. So like from a results perspective, like
Speaker 1: you did not want to challenge that first season, and
Speaker 1: it almost felt like there was a narrative built in
Speaker 1: on All Star six where it was like, we're almost
Speaker 1: going to keep the winds away from Jans so that
Speaker 1: we can give her the one that narratively is going
Speaker 1: to be satisfying. So that's one thing, But then there's
Speaker 1: another aspect of being on a reality show, which we
Speaker 1: actually talked to Poverty Shallow, who was on Survivor Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we talked a lot about being perceived lately, like
Speaker 1: what is it like, what was your experience watching them
Speaker 1: as you take a sip of water getting ready for
Speaker 1: this one? What's it like to watch yourself be edited
Speaker 1: into a reality show character? Insane? Insane because I'm like,
Speaker 1: you just see a caricature of something and somebody and
Speaker 1: you don't know the ins and out of who this
Speaker 1: person is, and like, like from from an outsider's viewer standpoint,
Speaker 1: and then to watch myself. I'm like, Okay, Season twelve,
Speaker 1: I was like, that's that's pretty me. I was like
Speaker 1: All Star six, I was like I went in being
Speaker 1: like I'm so much more relaxed this time, like I'm
Speaker 1: just here to have a good time, and then singing
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh wait, actually that's not what it's
Speaker 1: coming off, which is so sad, but it's it's like again,
Speaker 1: it's like it's all fine. I'm just like I'm so
Speaker 1: relaxed now. I'm just I'm just here for the right.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, the thing about it is, and honestly,
Speaker 1: why I'm really shifting over to being an absolute Housewives
Speaker 1: stand is because I love that they can just do
Speaker 1: the damn thing and don't have to worry too much
Speaker 1: about what other people think of them. They are there
Speaker 1: to make Tell, Love, jam and television only. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: not competing for a hundred thousand dollars. They're going to
Speaker 1: make TV, right, That's right. The the the the objective
Speaker 1: is very clear. But I mean Matt and I were
Speaker 1: talking about this literally today, we were face timing and like,
Speaker 1: I whatever, I'm just like watching myself back like on
Speaker 1: camera and I'm like this fucking sucks. I look crazy,
Speaker 1: like I'm still not like I'm still in that stage
Speaker 1: where I'm like i am like to self perceive is
Speaker 1: so unsettling and all this stuff and ContraPoints. She does
Speaker 1: the whole video about cringe and how like cringe is
Speaker 1: like you're not having self awareness, meaning people other people
Speaker 1: being aware about something about you that you don't know
Speaker 1: about exactly. Like that is like, what's what's the most
Speaker 1: like this really like bothersome thing. Yeah, it's because it's
Speaker 1: it almost feels like when you live in your body
Speaker 1: every single day, who has more control over what you
Speaker 1: are and what you do than you? And then that's
Speaker 1: like we do this sick thing that people in the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry which is disturbed and we should probably be
Speaker 1: studied every anyone who ever wants to be in the
Speaker 1: entertainment industry should be in a psycho lesson get the
Speaker 1: lab running, mama, stick the things on why don't, why don't,
Speaker 1: why don't? But like the things that so I'm just thinking,
Speaker 1: like you give up the power to dictate literally what
Speaker 1: you say and do because when you sign those contracts
Speaker 1: and I've done it, like to be on even like
Speaker 1: game shows and stuff like you sign away your autonomy
Speaker 1: and literally they could if they wanted to construct sentences
Speaker 1: like and things that you do actions um, emotional responses
Speaker 1: to literally be someone else. And then you go on
Speaker 1: not just a television show, but the most popular television
Speaker 1: show out there, and that is like, but yet we
Speaker 1: still do do it, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy because then you butt your nails and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, I'm being perceived like whatever,
Speaker 1: but it is like it is we do give it
Speaker 1: up totally. I think that also it's like no risk,
Speaker 1: no reward, give it and you gotta do it. Like
Speaker 1: all the great things that I got with some of
Speaker 1: the like bad things that I'm not thrilled about, Like
Speaker 1: the good outweighs the bad completely and it's like that's
Speaker 1: just kind of how I have to look at it,
Speaker 1: and it is It's just it is what ed it
Speaker 1: must also be like because we often talk about this
Speaker 1: because we are experiencing it like sort of together, like
Speaker 1: you definitely like leap frogged with the whole with like
Speaker 1: you know, sn L and like that's like happened to
Speaker 1: you on a very large scale and we definitely we
Speaker 1: were We receive and respond to things differently, but like
Speaker 1: you had Rose go through it as well, so do
Speaker 1: you and Rose like compare notes and like emotions about this,
Speaker 1: Like totally. It's one of those things where it just
Speaker 1: it just changes you. It changes your life, like your
Speaker 1: day to day and it I literally, like two days ago,
Speaker 1: had a conversation with Rose and we were I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like crying. I was just like, it's just
Speaker 1: so crazy that this has all happened so fast, and
Speaker 1: we all like we just got to this place so quickly,
Speaker 1: Like I've been doing this for five years, She's been
Speaker 1: doing this for four years, like and and like to
Speaker 1: be on drag race and I'll start like in that time,
Speaker 1: I'm like, bitch, Like it's nuts, But we're it's it's
Speaker 1: we're not closer physically because we're just on different time
Speaker 1: schedules now, like we don't see each other, but emotionally,
Speaker 1: we're so much closer because we have such a we
Speaker 1: have a deeper understanding of a bond that is so
Speaker 1: much bigger than what we started out doing, and we're
Speaker 1: growing into that and finding um a new layer and
Speaker 1: level of the relationship that we had and it's it's
Speaker 1: it's awesome to like have somebody so close to me
Speaker 1: who I literally like started doing this like oh so
Speaker 1: much of like my um success as a queen in
Speaker 1: the city to like go through as well, and just
Speaker 1: to be like to have that like to be on
Speaker 1: the other side of it is like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like wow, we really like did that. And you know what,
Speaker 1: it's a little different now, but we have each other.
Speaker 1: And that's no. I get so emotional whenever I talk
Speaker 1: about my sister, you know what I mean, I really
Speaker 1: I think it's like and and you realize and you
Speaker 1: recognize how hard you worked, and you know what really
Speaker 1: comes through at the end of the day that you
Speaker 1: guys are fucking machines and this is what I like,
Speaker 1: so good at what you do, like always go out
Speaker 1: there and execute the entertain And that's why I said, like,
Speaker 1: because I know that they do edit you guys into
Speaker 1: like you know, I think that a lot of New
Speaker 1: York queens get this. It's the thing of like, oh
Speaker 1: they're a New York girl, they do it all their perfectionists,
Speaker 1: But where's the soul or you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Or like where's this where's that? And I think it's
Speaker 1: easy to do to New York queens that are good
Speaker 1: at everything across the board because they have to be
Speaker 1: to exist and survive in New York. And like, so
Speaker 1: you go to the show and you're not labeled like
Speaker 1: the fashion girl or the comedian or whatever, and it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I've had to be all those things. And that's
Speaker 1: why I come across as this like fucking like you know,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna kill it, Like who could do crowd
Speaker 1: work like you among queens and season twelve, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like that kind of thing. But sorry, no, I
Speaker 1: mean that's just true. And when I go and travel
Speaker 1: and I see all these other places in the country
Speaker 1: that have different kinds of dragon like, it is just
Speaker 1: so so different in New York. Bigger cities like Chicago
Speaker 1: or l A. They don't do obsessed literally obsessed with
Speaker 1: all of them and all of the different scenes. But
Speaker 1: if they just it's just not New York. And when
Speaker 1: all the queens who like are on the show come
Speaker 1: through to New York or have been to New York,
Speaker 1: They're like, I don't know how you do it. I
Speaker 1: don't know how you do these two hour shows by
Speaker 1: yourself or with someone else, five nights a week, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, it's it actually is a lot. But
Speaker 1: that's the other thing too. I'm like, I'm gonna work,
Speaker 1: like because I know how to work. If there's anything
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do, I don't care what happens on whatever
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna work because that's what I
Speaker 1: love to do and that's what I've been trained to
Speaker 1: do in the school of Dragon New York City. And
Speaker 1: I know that people are gonna be like, how New
Speaker 1: York City, But I'm like, it's just it is its
Speaker 1: own thing. As we're talking about New York drag, it's
Speaker 1: it is. I think it's important to tie it back
Speaker 1: specifically to what Man is saying, like it is an
Speaker 1: easy edit to be like this person is so jack
Speaker 1: of all trades. Maybe that like that it feels it's
Speaker 1: an easy thing to flatten them into this thing of like,
Speaker 1: well you there's no soul, no soul thing is so pervased.
Speaker 1: What happens. It's like, I have friends that watched the
Speaker 1: show and they're like, I'm so sick of the New
Speaker 1: York Queens thing being there a New York queen. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, the reason they say that is because what
Speaker 1: they're saying is I do it fucking all. I'm working
Speaker 1: ten fifteen times a week. I'm out here. I'm a
Speaker 1: fucking like killer and that's the only that's the best
Speaker 1: way to get across the way I know how is
Speaker 1: that I'm on stage and competitive in the drag scene
Speaker 1: in and I'm a winner on the stage in New
Speaker 1: York City, which means that you are number one, and
Speaker 1: so like totally like someone like Britta Filter goes on
Speaker 1: and doesn't do super well on drag Race, I kind
Speaker 1: of I'm like, oh, I kind of hate that the
Speaker 1: fan is so decisive about the way they feel, because
Speaker 1: I dare you to have a better time than go
Speaker 1: to a I mean, Adele and Jennifer Lawrence went there
Speaker 1: for a reason because she's the best, She's awesome, and
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's the thing too, It's like that
Speaker 1: that narrative does come, but it's like, I'm actually gonna
Speaker 1: go out to live here and say that actually, every
Speaker 1: single queen who has been on the show from New
Speaker 1: York City actually does not lead with saying that they
Speaker 1: are a queen from New York City, like I'm this
Speaker 1: and this and this, and then eventually they're like, and
Speaker 1: I'm from New York City, and then of course everyone's like, well,
Speaker 1: from New York so we're gonna have to file that
Speaker 1: into this category. And I'm like, I actually can guarantee
Speaker 1: you that none of us are actually that hung up
Speaker 1: on being from New York. We're proud of it because
Speaker 1: it's like taught us about like our dragon. It's helped us,
Speaker 1: you know, shape us as artists. I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like also if you're like an artist working on something
Speaker 1: and you're like surrounded by like a culture or you're
Speaker 1: surrounded by an atmosphere, and you should be proud of that,
Speaker 1: especially if you're excelling in it. So I'm like, why
Speaker 1: is it wrong to be happy about something that you're
Speaker 1: extremely proud of. Why wouldn't you like slightly identify with
Speaker 1: like the community you're sort of brought up in or
Speaker 1: that you like. I mean, that's the thing about being
Speaker 1: in New York as a drag artist is like you
Speaker 1: end up like having like these connections with all these
Speaker 1: different kinds of people who are either who may or
Speaker 1: may not happened to like be a resource for you
Speaker 1: in terms of like I don't know, like you would
Speaker 1: go out like you like I. What I love about
Speaker 1: jan two is that, like I'm referring to in the
Speaker 1: third person, it's like you like you. It's like you
Speaker 1: like have this appreciation for comedy, like like like you
Speaker 1: were like standing Meg's Talter before the rest of the gays,
Speaker 1: you know, like that kind of thing like that and
Speaker 1: holding your thank You can't can't honestly say enough about
Speaker 1: Meg's Salter, Can I be honest with you? I got
Speaker 1: back from season twelve and I was like so sad,
Speaker 1: so defeated, and Met came out with like one of
Speaker 1: the first videos that I saw of her, which was
Speaker 1: her like the dorm room being like like in a
Speaker 1: blonde way and I forget the exact syntax and I
Speaker 1: don't want to butcher, but I saw that video and
Speaker 1: it truly creed my depression. I was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: obsessed with this person. And I do like I love
Speaker 1: what y'all do, Like I just like like your comedic geniuses.
Speaker 1: You are so good at what you do and like
Speaker 1: but and it brings everyone joy, like it really us
Speaker 1: and I have such an appreciation for him like I
Speaker 1: will never be at this level. I'm like I can,
Speaker 1: like I can make people laugh sometimes, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not a comedian, and I'm like, your y'all are
Speaker 1: just so good and I aspire to be like y'all.
Speaker 1: Like I was like nervous coming here because I heard
Speaker 1: I had heard about this Pavilion show. Like all of
Speaker 1: them were like, no, Jan has fucking jo. We were
Speaker 1: were point thank you. Mixes were good, the mixed queen. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I love making mixes. I do well. I had a
Speaker 1: really bad devated scept them like two years ago, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't sing. Did you get it corrected? I did?
Speaker 1: I had to get more yeah, yeah, and but I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna sing for a week
Speaker 1: out of the month, and then the other three weeks
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do anything. And I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I gotta start whipping out the mixes, honey.
Speaker 1: And it like that's when people were like, oh, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: she can actually do these mixes too, and I'm like
Speaker 1: I got something here, babe. Mixes are important. I mean
Speaker 1: when we I feel like this is like years ago
Speaker 1: we were seeing Bob at Barracuda. That was the thing
Speaker 1: about Bob out of this world, this world like slave
Speaker 1: for you with like Chris Rocks, like like the only
Speaker 1: time a white person can see the N word like
Speaker 1: bit like that is like one of the most genius
Speaker 1: like like that. That's the thing about like New York
Speaker 1: Queens too. It's like, I don't know, they're clever with
Speaker 1: the mixes and like we like we saw saw Tina
Speaker 1: Berners and it was like she has a great Tina
Speaker 1: has a great mix. Her mixes. I love the one
Speaker 1: that's like you're already with this, the one that's all
Speaker 1: the fights I love. You know who else has them?
Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all are familiar with her work.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to actually say that I think this
Speaker 1: is going to be my nominee for the little mix.
Speaker 1: Um oh no, what is it? Being fierce Boo? Absolutely
Speaker 1: Kisa Car, he's your car. He's your car. Has the
Speaker 1: best mix in New York City, which is her God
Speaker 1: Warrior mix. Nothing is better. Get out and stay out
Speaker 1: to the God Warrior. He couldn't be better. Standing ovation
Speaker 1: every single time she does it, Wait like come on now,
Speaker 1: so get out and stay out. It's like it's it's
Speaker 1: out of this blass incredible Keisha Car another Barracuda legend
Speaker 1: that industry No, I guess Kisha, I mean Kisha is
Speaker 1: like does that whole like circuit totally. The best part
Speaker 1: about Kija was literally, oh, hey, I'm in the Book
Speaker 1: of More Men and I'm actually going to do a
Speaker 1: show at Industry Bar at night after my eight show
Speaker 1: weekend for all of you. Keisha Car, God, Keisha Car
Speaker 1: came to the Rute Paula, I'm sorry to make this
Speaker 1: about the Ka the Rut plus now and like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it was. It was beautiful, I don't think.
Speaker 1: And then that's when all this is okay. Yes, that
Speaker 1: was a night bitch. That wasn't a night table you
Speaker 1: were you up on the type. It was definitely upon
Speaker 1: the table. I was that was that went down. That
Speaker 1: was one of That was maybe the I'm sorry to say,
Speaker 1: the only like fun fun l after party that I
Speaker 1: but Cecily was like, that was the funnest. Like you
Speaker 1: never get people dancing on tables. It's always like stk
Speaker 1: people like sitting down at a table like it was great.
Speaker 1: Nikki Doll was like getting up on the table hilarious.
Speaker 1: I've been seeing her pop up everywhere now is so funny.
Speaker 1: I have gotten so close with her um from season twelve,
Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful that I have. She is hilarious
Speaker 1: and it's really starting to come into her own. She's
Speaker 1: like she would look at me hosting and she was
Speaker 1: just like, I don't know how you do it. And
Speaker 1: now she's like jokes, jokes, jokes that she's a funny,
Speaker 1: funny girl and a good time gal. She was the
Speaker 1: one who, I swear I'm pretty sure she was the
Speaker 1: one who was like, I'm getting up on the table
Speaker 1: like her or Bretta. I'm like it really of course,
Speaker 1: And it eventually was all of us in that moment,
Speaker 1: everybody and did you get up on the table? I
Speaker 1: got up on the table? There? Does it? Me? And
Speaker 1: Josh sharpen Igo like on the table like yeah. It
Speaker 1: was really crazy. It was one of the funniest nights.
Speaker 1: I think it's time to ask you in the question.
Speaker 1: We have to ask the question, and I'm actually genuinely
Speaker 1: I'm really really question is Jan Jan Sport? Which, by
Speaker 1: the way, what was pissed that you couldn't be Jan
Speaker 1: Sport on the show? That's okay, baby, we got we
Speaker 1: got the deal with them. It's all good. We're doing
Speaker 1: a little Jan Sport digital, so you know what, another
Speaker 1: full circle moment. It's great, that's what you deserve. You
Speaker 1: claim the identity. Yeah, I'm actually going to say you
Speaker 1: can put Jan Sport on my flyers. Al Right. So
Speaker 1: this is this is the question, really, what was the
Speaker 1: culture that made you say culture was for you? And
Speaker 1: I know you understand what I do, and I have
Speaker 1: to be honest, this was really difficult for me. Um.
Speaker 1: But the one that I think is the most and
Speaker 1: I'm sure somebody has said this and if not, as
Speaker 1: at to be the first, but um, it was the
Speaker 1: year two thousand and nine at the v M A
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga performed Papa Rozzie and I the whole thing.
Speaker 1: When she belts that Papa like we're listening to it
Speaker 1: on the radio, Honey, she's flipping into the falsetto. When
Speaker 1: she belts promise I'll be kind, I literally floored. I'm
Speaker 1: in my room, like I don't know how old I
Speaker 1: was at that point, sixteen maybe just screaming at the
Speaker 1: top of my lungs, and I was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: witnessing somebody have a cultural breakthrough right now. And she
Speaker 1: changed the game in that moment, and I became so
Speaker 1: obsessed with her. I had like a shrine on my wall,
Speaker 1: like I was, like I was and still am one
Speaker 1: of those Gaga gys. And I'm absolutely at peace and
Speaker 1: okay with that. There's nothing wrong with you don't love
Speaker 1: you don't love your No, no, I'll die on the hill.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's be honest and talk about Let's talk.
Speaker 1: Because that was also the performance with where unless you
Speaker 1: had seen her do pographace, I think that like some
Speaker 1: radio station, it might have been I heeart actually, but
Speaker 1: she that was the first time that I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people saw her do that foot on the
Speaker 1: piano like it was. That was an incredible performance. She
Speaker 1: she literally in that moment that I'm gonna do it all.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna actually start with one of my biggest hits,
Speaker 1: poker Face. I'm gonna sing that in a dark sense,
Speaker 1: and then I'm actually going to play the piano after
Speaker 1: I do a wild dance break, and then I'm going
Speaker 1: to cover myself in blood. But the twist it's not over.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put blood in my eye, grab something, pretend
Speaker 1: that I'm literally dead, and just hold the way she
Speaker 1: held it is so remarkable with all of it in
Speaker 1: her eye. I was like, how how Because she's she's
Speaker 1: a freak of nature in a way that's just so
Speaker 1: deeply connected to who she is. She is like fully possessed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she is one of those entertainers that will And for me,
Speaker 1: I think my favorite is the applause performance from them.
Speaker 1: It's show in the square. The whole thing there was
Speaker 1: the circles actually culture number dying apause that was the
Speaker 1: circle there. But um, Paparazzi for me was actually the
Speaker 1: moment when it became very real to me was that
Speaker 1: I realized, like, oh, this person is here to stay. Because,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, just dance didn't hit me
Speaker 1: as hard as it seemed to have everyone else. Poker Face.
Speaker 1: I was like, can I accept that this is love?
Speaker 1: Game was my moment where it's like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: whoa whoa. Let's let's let's pay attention to this love
Speaker 1: game was definitely great. Paparazzi to me was like like,
Speaker 1: Paparazzi to me is an unbelievable song. If you even
Speaker 1: if you strip it all away, I think it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: My favorite from that album. Yeah, well the video. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, are you talking about the video because
Speaker 1: the video was also a further me. The first time
Speaker 1: I watched that video that summer of two thousands, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just like and literally her like coming out
Speaker 1: in the gold of the car with with the crutches.
Speaker 1: I was like Jesus the eye for talent that she
Speaker 1: had Alexander scars that and also the record label being
Speaker 1: like okay, actually budget, like we're going to actually do
Speaker 1: it for this girl right now because she's on the rise.
Speaker 1: Like they got her, they knew exactly what they had
Speaker 1: and it was iconic to see. I literally was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I want to be this person because I feel like
Speaker 1: I like and especially like I fell down in a
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. I was like, oh my god. Like she's
Speaker 1: from New York, I'm from New Jersey, she went to
Speaker 1: a Catholic school, She's Italian. I'm Italian, and I'm like
Speaker 1: I am her I saying I dance, I do theater.
Speaker 1: Some people don't get my voice on people do I'm like.
Speaker 1: It was very that I was like, I like love
Speaker 1: this person, and I became like truly like a giant
Speaker 1: fan and was like I can Like she just preaches
Speaker 1: about like believing in herself and like just like being
Speaker 1: like I've always been a star, but nobody's seen it
Speaker 1: until now. And I'm like, yeah, bitch, I'm like that's awesome,
Speaker 1: like words to live by fear self, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I want to carry myself with as much confidence as
Speaker 1: this person has and believe in myself like this person has,
Speaker 1: because nobody else is going to do it for you.
Speaker 1: You have to believe in yourself like that. And I
Speaker 1: that was the first time that I was like, oh, okay, cool.
Speaker 1: That's like when I started doing theater and taking it
Speaker 1: seriously and like really transition from like a fucking soccer
Speaker 1: player to like fair person. Yeah, And that's like it
Speaker 1: was all around that time I like, oh, so much
Speaker 1: of myself and like my like trajectory of life, like
Speaker 1: to her speaking to me and like a deeper like
Speaker 1: queerer level. That gave me self confidence. Jan God bless
Speaker 1: you because I will never ever ever get tired of
Speaker 1: talking about her forever. It's so it's so awful, but
Speaker 1: like I just love this like self development for you
Speaker 1: this like because I truly as pathetic I say it
Speaker 1: all the time, like she is someone who like has
Speaker 1: clarified things about like one percent what you just said.
Speaker 1: I think to really add accept saying, you know, like
Speaker 1: I've been like wow, like she really and like Matt
Speaker 1: has sort of like trailed behind me and all these times,
Speaker 1: not all these times. Now, I think we're fully caught
Speaker 1: up at the same level of life. But for what
Speaker 1: for a while, Like when Born this Way came out,
Speaker 1: like Matt and I like it was right before we
Speaker 1: went to skid more than that year, and we would
Speaker 1: like sing in the carpet. Then I think, correct me,
Speaker 1: you can no, I'm not dragging, correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: you were like this song is not that good? Which one?
Speaker 1: In this way? I think I thought that Born this
Speaker 1: Way it was on the nose because here's the thing,
Speaker 1: and this is something I say that she wasn't on
Speaker 1: the nose until that point too. But I also don't
Speaker 1: care that it's on the nose now looking back, Actually
Speaker 1: it can be on the nose because maybe it was
Speaker 1: a message she wanted to be very loud and clear,
Speaker 1: and I think that's actually fine and good and you know,
Speaker 1: not everything has to be shrouded in you know, artistic um,
Speaker 1: you know, secrecy or whatever, so it can actually be clear.
Speaker 1: And I think that you were born this way no
Speaker 1: matter who you are, love yourself. You're worth it. Your
Speaker 1: valid is something that she just wanted to get. And
Speaker 1: I also think this is why I say, if you
Speaker 1: don't love God, you don't love yourself, because I don't
Speaker 1: think I. I don't think I. I think I was
Speaker 1: not in not in my body, and not in my
Speaker 1: self yet and so I saw that she was just
Speaker 1: a recklessly whoever she wanted to be at any given moment,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't getting it because I still think I
Speaker 1: had hang ups and I can assess I have enough
Speaker 1: self assessment how to say that, Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just looking back, it's like I respect every single
Speaker 1: thing she's ever fucking done, and I don't think she
Speaker 1: was ever wrong to do anything, even the crazy ship.
Speaker 1: Like when she became a helicopter. I said that was
Speaker 1: one of the most time for me, top top ten,
Speaker 1: top ten moments of her entire careers. First woman helicopter
Speaker 1: and then she flew a little bit off the ground
Speaker 1: and landed. It's actually coming in at six meters off
Speaker 1: the ground, like just like like not at not meters.
Speaker 1: She lifted off and her face just you could tell
Speaker 1: she was like lift off, like she was thinking, and
Speaker 1: she wasn't thinking as a human being. She was thinking
Speaker 1: as the helicopter. It's actually crazy because that's when she
Speaker 1: wrote Venus in that moment, and Venus to me as
Speaker 1: a top five self produced yes. And you know what
Speaker 1: was the most devastating thing for me when she because
Speaker 1: that was supposed to be the single moment that was
Speaker 1: supposed to be a single, and she said, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do a fun little pre release of like a
Speaker 1: promos remember those do what you want and it and
Speaker 1: it did well on iTunes, and this always happens with her.
Speaker 1: It does well on iTunes for twelve hours. And she
Speaker 1: is so excited. On the record label, I guess is
Speaker 1: so tided too that they're like scratch that, where this
Speaker 1: is the single? Here we go, And I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: like Venus was the one. It was the one, it
Speaker 1: was for us, and it's just self produced, it's essence,
Speaker 1: it's yes. Yes, it was like nonsense, like I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna I was probably she was probably like it was
Speaker 1: like um fucking David Bowie, like Elton John, like it
Speaker 1: was like everything very like, you know, just like pop
Speaker 1: star as like Celestial Creature, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like which we love Aphrodite, Ladyshell pante Venus. Imagine hearing
Speaker 1: that on the radio. Imagine hearing that we we missed
Speaker 1: out on that one for sure, reutely And I definitely
Speaker 1: think on like on that album. I mean, I do
Speaker 1: love g u Y and I'm grateful for the video,
Speaker 1: but like it feels like it feels like like weird, weird,
Speaker 1: like don It's Hello, How is that not a single?
Speaker 1: I was stomping the streets to Donna Tella the whole album.
Speaker 1: It really does. I'll never get Kim Richard's out of
Speaker 1: my mind. Also, you know that, you know that that
Speaker 1: was like a really bad week for the Housewives of
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills because they went there. They went there to
Speaker 1: shoot that g u Y video the day after the
Speaker 1: reunion that year, and it was a really bad year,
Speaker 1: Like none of them were getting along and speaking, and
Speaker 1: Kyle and Lisa vander Pump were not speaking at the time,
Speaker 1: and then they were in most of the video because
Speaker 1: they're very much the stars of the show. And then
Speaker 1: they were I was watching old interviews because I'm very ill,
Speaker 1: and um, I was watching old old videos of your
Speaker 1: interviews of Kyle and she was like, it actually was
Speaker 1: really good for us to get together that day on
Speaker 1: set because we were waiting around a lot and we
Speaker 1: gave us a chance to talk. And like then, like
Speaker 1: she was in Lady Gaga was amazing and we did
Speaker 1: the video and had fun and honestly our relationship got better.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, see that's a missing part of that,
Speaker 1: that that the guy video helped Gaga heels healed the
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills house. Wait, but let's talk about Paparazzi two
Speaker 1: thousand nine because maybe my favorite v M as ever.
Speaker 1: Um what a craze, Like they will never top that,
Speaker 1: not who cares. I don't know who they are, um MTV,
Speaker 1: I guess, But like that was just a perfect award show.
Speaker 1: It was awards show that like set off pop culture
Speaker 1: conflicts and things for like the next decade. Like that
Speaker 1: was back back when you really had to watch the
Speaker 1: v M a s to be keyed into what was
Speaker 1: happening in culture, to be honest with you, And now
Speaker 1: those days are kind of sorry but gone. The last
Speaker 1: one was was Miley and Robin Thick like that. That
Speaker 1: was maybe the last one where everyone was was Waterpooler, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, did you hear about like this and
Speaker 1: that and that? Like but two thousand nine, I mean unbeatable,
Speaker 1: and then the following year of pop music, two thousand
Speaker 1: and ten, I feel like is up for our best
Speaker 1: time in terms of like the in terms of pop music,
Speaker 1: like that was a teenage dream and actually, if you
Speaker 1: want to count, like Fame Monsters part of two thousands
Speaker 1: came out in two thousand, like just what an incredible
Speaker 1: that was the moment moment And then I think was
Speaker 1: that Rihan Allowed That was oh my god, they keep coming. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I really can't say enough about this era because this
Speaker 1: is when it happened. This is when the girls were
Speaker 1: girl and girls and they were girling and culture number
Speaker 1: the girls were growing and they were and but you
Speaker 1: know who is leading the brigade at the changed, fashion changed,
Speaker 1: changed what we're doing now with literally like looks and
Speaker 1: red carpet. She elevated when you can elevate an art
Speaker 1: form that's been so successful and completely fine without you.
Speaker 1: And then in like a goddamn wrecking ball and absolutely
Speaker 1: changed the course of what it was. Everyone was scrambling
Speaker 1: like people like the fashion was crazy. I remember, like
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga showing up in a goddamn meat dress and
Speaker 1: Nicki Minaj is showing up in a gene best like
Speaker 1: and and when she likes the gene best any woman
Speaker 1: on the set would like it, but like it's she like.
Speaker 1: It just changed every time. There was something about two
Speaker 1: and we say it with love. But this is again
Speaker 1: you mentioned Beyonce. This was before Beyonce did four, which
Speaker 1: I believe was the turning point in Beyonce. And in
Speaker 1: single Ladies, there was a reference to Gaga and that
Speaker 1: aesthetic there was and there was also that moment where
Speaker 1: there was cross over the video for single. They shot
Speaker 1: that before I think the same came out. But sometimes
Speaker 1: I think Beyonce gets to scoop on what the girls
Speaker 1: are doing at the time at the time, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of the girls had what we call
Speaker 1: sleeper agents. And I believe that the girls actually had
Speaker 1: sleeper agents. I don't know if they were the dancers
Speaker 1: h speaking and you know what, I'm just everything this
Speaker 1: is I mean everything. I tell everyone, don't ever talk
Speaker 1: it in the h Don't ever talk in HMU. These
Speaker 1: girls are the eyes, ears, and mouths and the hands,
Speaker 1: and they will see you with those hands and you
Speaker 1: will look at masks. Don't talk ship to HMU. If
Speaker 1: you know anything, you know that HMU are the best
Speaker 1: people on set. They run if they're like, we need
Speaker 1: you on set now, and HMU says, no, you're not
Speaker 1: getting I'm not gone. And also if you think I'll
Speaker 1: even let them roll without getting my last looks I want,
Speaker 1: people won't be absolutely not. This ponytail is going to
Speaker 1: be quaffed like it was for continuity. Stay the wrong
Speaker 1: thing in the chair. You look in the mirror and
Speaker 1: think you look good on camera. You look at goddamn qua.
Speaker 1: Can I say something, But all I'm saying is like,
Speaker 1: at that time, it felt like, yes, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: Gaga was leading the charge because Gaga was the one
Speaker 1: was commercially most successful and also artistically most interesting, and
Speaker 1: to be both of those things is not no. And
Speaker 1: at the time, I think Katie wanted the artistic respect,
Speaker 1: and I think that like someone like Rihanna also wanted
Speaker 1: the artistic respect totally. I think they've both achieved it
Speaker 1: now in different ways. Like, well, Rihanna obviously now was
Speaker 1: across the board respect at a billion dollars. You don't.
Speaker 1: She is essentially like walking art now. But at the time,
Speaker 1: which is this this year, this ar to doesn't tend
Speaker 1: not even Beyonce was at that level. Beyonce was peak
Speaker 1: pop star, but it would be a few years until
Speaker 1: Beyonce was like, actually I'm a deity and everyone was like, yes,
Speaker 1: you are and always have been. But Gaga was the
Speaker 1: one who was walking the walk in terms of like
Speaker 1: actual creative and artistic output that is art pop. And sadly,
Speaker 1: I think the shift for Gaga and Beyonce, where Beyonce
Speaker 1: kind of took that role was when art pop happened.
Speaker 1: I thought that Beyonce was going to be what like
Speaker 1: what Beyonce ended up being, was going to be what
Speaker 1: art pop was in terms of the visual aesthetic. I
Speaker 1: was like, she's combining art and pop. This is going
Speaker 1: to be a very visual era for us, and we're
Speaker 1: going to get an entire visual album for this and
Speaker 1: it just did not happen, and that is sad. But
Speaker 1: Beyonce said I'm coming in with this visual album, I'm
Speaker 1: actually dropping it without anyone knowing, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: take the world by absolute storm. And that's when that
Speaker 1: shift was because because the it's the hardest part when
Speaker 1: you're at the top and everyone's expecting you to fall
Speaker 1: a rail. And I don't think that that album was
Speaker 1: a fall or a failure at all. I think maybe
Speaker 1: there were things that I would have done differently and
Speaker 1: all my expertise, but it's just like and so it goes,
Speaker 1: and so it goes, and yet like you know, and
Speaker 1: that's what makes sort of the anytime I understand when
Speaker 1: when people are like, well I always thought art prop
Speaker 1: was good because I kind of count myself as one
Speaker 1: of those people. But also I understand, like it's frustrating
Speaker 1: to have that sentence sentiment because you're like, well, like
Speaker 1: you know it would have been. I don't know, it's
Speaker 1: it just it shook out the way it did, and
Speaker 1: like it's not you hate to look back on something
Speaker 1: and be like that was underappreciated. Yeah, but it definitely was.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing too, And it's like it's
Speaker 1: also got that weird thing of like even if you
Speaker 1: like to do what you want, like it's mared, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like and unfortunately, like that is
Speaker 1: a weird decision that she made, like to even have
Speaker 1: him on it, because let's not pretend like we didn't
Speaker 1: know the score with R Kelly at the time. Like
Speaker 1: I definitely think there was like weird decision making happening there,
Speaker 1: because I do think that she was a little scattered.
Speaker 1: But also that's why I like the album is because
Speaker 1: I think it really did say I'm throwing it on
Speaker 1: the walls and like this artistic sense and like it
Speaker 1: has all stuck up there for me right now, and
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not going to make like discerning choices about it.
Speaker 1: It's all there. It's this messy output and I don't
Speaker 1: even really know that anyone if they were to describe
Speaker 1: what are pop is in a nutshell or like give
Speaker 1: it a thesis that everyone would not one person would
Speaker 1: have the same definition as someone else. But that's sort
Speaker 1: of great about it because since then she has so
Speaker 1: clearly done these different eras, like you know exactly that
Speaker 1: she was going for. Now we are on the house
Speaker 1: of Gucci era and it is going to be goofy honey.
Speaker 1: But I'm ready, I'm ready for I'm ready for the
Speaker 1: realization of not just Italian girl from New York, Italian
Speaker 1: woman from Italy. Absolutely it is going to be an
Speaker 1: extremely goofy movie. Honey to the trailer, I literally and
Speaker 1: I was just like, I watched it and I cried
Speaker 1: because I was like, I don't know if it's going
Speaker 1: to be good or not. Yeah, it's it's it's Russia,
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a little Russian, and you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm here for you. I'm here because you know what,
Speaker 1: the bitch, but I am their son. I'm like, oh my,
Speaker 1: she really into something. She does something. I think I've
Speaker 1: said this before when she says house like that, she
Speaker 1: really she's really actually doing something an authentic oral posture there,
Speaker 1: Like it's I think I think it will actually be
Speaker 1: very good. I think it will be so good. Also noticed,
Speaker 1: if you if you look at like the Oscar predictions,
Speaker 1: she has not fallen from the top spot. People are
Speaker 1: still like even people that write about it, and they're like,
Speaker 1: this looks goofy as hell, but she's got damn it.
Speaker 1: If it's not going to be a watchable in camp,
Speaker 1: the fashion, the cast, the budget, it's gonna be good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will probably like fall out of it for a second.
Speaker 1: That's late, and just like laugh for a second because
Speaker 1: it's here. But she's so The thing that I love
Speaker 1: about this woman is that she commits yes, and I
Speaker 1: love it. I can't wait to day. Like just in
Speaker 1: the trailer, I'm like, she is going for it. So
Speaker 1: here's the deal, Like you can always boil it down,
Speaker 1: especially now that we're working on this movie. I'm like, like,
Speaker 1: you realize how important the director is, Like Andrew On
Speaker 1: that we're working with right now is so brilliant. This
Speaker 1: movie is directed by really Like let's not forget the
Speaker 1: gifts he has given, like one of my favorite movies
Speaker 1: of all time Thomba and Louise, like fucking so much gold,
Speaker 1: like alien bitch. Like this is someone who's been iconic
Speaker 1: from the beginning and again and so many different thoughtless records,
Speaker 1: so many different genres, so many has directed so many
Speaker 1: performances to OSCAR nominations, you know what I mean. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, this is a weird comparison, but like like
Speaker 1: angry ish, like someone who like excels the different genres,
Speaker 1: directs different oscars, like winning performances, like you're like, damn
Speaker 1: or Oscar nominated at the very least. It's like, this
Speaker 1: is like, there's no way not and again not a
Speaker 1: spotless record either with a I don't mean to bring
Speaker 1: him into the conversation, but yeah, it's like with Redley Scott,
Speaker 1: it's like, you're gonna be interested no matter what. With him,
Speaker 1: I'm looking up the filmography. You're gonna be interested in
Speaker 1: Adam and Jared and Gaga and fucking and so many
Speaker 1: of our friends have been like, no, this is perfect.
Speaker 1: This is even better than Stars Born. Oh, because the
Speaker 1: Star is Born, like was kind of still trying to
Speaker 1: go for something like serious or take itself seriously somewhat,
Speaker 1: and this is not concerned. That's my hot take on
Speaker 1: Stars Born. I was like, they are trying to make
Speaker 1: this the most height end version of a very unrealistic world,
Speaker 1: and it could not have been. I thought that there
Speaker 1: was a disconnect there a little. I was like, I
Speaker 1: wish that it was a little campier, and I'm hoping
Speaker 1: with House of Gucci that it's campy but directed so
Speaker 1: well that you know that it does take itself seriously
Speaker 1: but also has that twinkle in its eye about if
Speaker 1: they can marry those together. I think it's gonna be everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, homography of really Scott, like just naming some
Speaker 1: alien Blade Runner fucking film, Emluise, Gladiator, black Hawk down
Speaker 1: like full on war film, American Gangster Prometheus, which I loved,
Speaker 1: I loved for me, the Martian Um and like you know,
Speaker 1: there's some like sort of flops in here too, like
Speaker 1: but and then House of Gucci, like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just think there's a lot of different kinds of
Speaker 1: movies there, but one thing that there is in common
Speaker 1: is that there's a lot of committed performances like for example,
Speaker 1: in Gladiator, um Joaquin and Gladiator like that like crazy
Speaker 1: villain like almost Faggy like I love, like it's camp.
Speaker 1: And then like you know, Thelma and Louise, like both
Speaker 1: those ladies like fucking crushing it. Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: wog I mean this is okay, Like I still have
Speaker 1: some trouble every now, and then reconciling this Gaga like
Speaker 1: full on a list movie star and still like fulfilling
Speaker 1: her pop star duties. Reconciling that Gaga with two nine
Speaker 1: like fame Araga, like those are the same person to me,
Speaker 1: and that's crazy, yes, yeah, And and then even like
Speaker 1: most recent like Tony Kaka like like it just it,
Speaker 1: but it's it's because she commits and gives her a
Speaker 1: hundred percent of herself to it every single time. That
Speaker 1: it's so earnest and we can look at it and
Speaker 1: be like, wow, of course this person became this person
Speaker 1: because she's so she was so committed from the jump,
Speaker 1: and she was so different, and she's doing all these
Speaker 1: different things like who else, no one else could do
Speaker 1: what she does. I really believe that, and for all
Speaker 1: those reasons, like she's like, she's my number one, number
Speaker 1: number one, so wait, it's so iconic that you got
Speaker 1: to win, not only hear from her. Um Okay, so
Speaker 1: I know that she has seen it and and liked it,
Speaker 1: which is amazing. House Labs gave me um a post
Speaker 1: on their they like reposted the performance, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, if House Labs is doing it, I'm sure
Speaker 1: she's had to been like yeah, I'm not like if
Speaker 1: she didn't like it, I'm sure she wasn't like no,
Speaker 1: I don't want this anywhere near my makeup or whatever.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, I'm sure, like she like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure she like I know that she liked it,
Speaker 1: so I'm like she would have had no reason to
Speaker 1: dislike Yeah, no, things like it was iconic and I
Speaker 1: found out like what the challenge was, I was just like,
Speaker 1: I have to do Gaga. I have to Dogga because
Speaker 1: it's yeah, she's number one, She's my number one. Like
Speaker 1: to win a challenge, like to win the Rusigal Challenge
Speaker 1: as Lady Gaga. That was definitely like, I think that
Speaker 1: this last episode was incredible and we were watching and
Speaker 1: screaming in the whole time. We really had so much fun.
Speaker 1: But probably my second favorite was that challenge because also
Speaker 1: shout out to Trinity, who fucking and also von Zell
Speaker 1: Solomon sang down, Oh my god, do I need to
Speaker 1: talk about von Zell Solomon. Von Zell Solomon is literally
Speaker 1: one of the biggest reasons why I sing the American
Speaker 1: Idol show Stoppers album when she said treat me Right
Speaker 1: was on replay in my home, in my room, ear
Speaker 1: next to the speaker, belting out these notes from such
Speaker 1: a young age I love. I'm going on record saying
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely obsessed with Bonzollman and she hasn't done so
Speaker 1: like like I like, my parents can literally be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you sang that song like ten fifteen times a day
Speaker 1: for weeks like it was. And that's like where I
Speaker 1: learned like a love for singing. I was like, I
Speaker 1: want to sound like this incredible singer. We'll get this.
Speaker 1: So I too was obsessed with her when she was
Speaker 1: on American Idol, and I feel three four four four.
Speaker 1: I felt like crazy because I felt like I was
Speaker 1: the only one being like, I mean, she's the best
Speaker 1: at the time when she was like getting to like
Speaker 1: top three, and then it was her, Carrie and Bow
Speaker 1: and I'm just never going to respond to someone like Bow.
Speaker 1: He wasn't for me. He was very much from my
Speaker 1: mother Um and Carrie I understood as the person they
Speaker 1: wanted to win, and I understood her as very talent,
Speaker 1: done in, someone who would sell records. But I was like,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's weird, like we're not we're not
Speaker 1: giving this girl the credit like Ze. So she gets eliminated.
Speaker 1: I never forget her years and years and years and
Speaker 1: years later, I get this show on Quimby Game Show.
Speaker 1: So one of Dave and I's ideas, one thing I
Speaker 1: really wanted was I wanted our house band to be
Speaker 1: one female singer, and we were referred to her as
Speaker 1: the house band, and I remembered that von Zell Solomon
Speaker 1: had done the CBS Diversity showcase with Josh Sharp, so
Speaker 1: I knew she was like around. So I said, we
Speaker 1: we we were figuring out who to get, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: if this is like very random, but there was this
Speaker 1: like American Idol contestant years ago. I know that she
Speaker 1: like is around, like we could reach out to. Her
Speaker 1: name is von Zell Solomon, so everyone falls in love
Speaker 1: with her. She gets the gig on game show, she
Speaker 1: gets introduced to Leland, and then that's how he hooked
Speaker 1: her up with. So now I literally it's one of
Speaker 1: my pride and joys that I can say that to
Speaker 1: myself that I like helped amplify ven Zelle because like
Speaker 1: and she does not she mary needs my help at
Speaker 1: all because like she walks into any room and is
Speaker 1: a start. But I'm so like happy that Leland, like
Speaker 1: Brett liked her so much that he wanted to work
Speaker 1: with her more. And then when I heard her sing
Speaker 1: that like Beyonce mixed that Trinity lips in to bring
Speaker 1: back my Girls Beyonce version, Brett played it for me
Speaker 1: like a long time ago, like why I was over
Speaker 1: his house hanging out. He played it for me and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I cannot wait for
Speaker 1: that to come out. And then to see Trinity just
Speaker 1: executed so hard. I was like, this has to be
Speaker 1: one of the best moments on the show. It was
Speaker 1: the track. We sang it all the time like everything,
Speaker 1: Like we were like Trinity, like that's that's a track
Speaker 1: on the road, honey, like she's been killing season, killing it.
Speaker 1: I love Love Trinity. Season six was the first one
Speaker 1: that I watched live and just um seeing her and
Speaker 1: her journey and I'm like, I'm in the room with
Speaker 1: t and I get to see this bitch. Do Beyonce
Speaker 1: right now? Honey? It's grazzy. She is so good and
Speaker 1: I was so happy to see her shine in the
Speaker 1: moment and von Zel too, like won't the industry do it?
Speaker 1: Like like keep the keep hanging? Did you scream when
Speaker 1: jumped onto this stage? Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: every single person who's listening right now. Publicist readers go
Speaker 1: to the Rue Paul's Drag Race YouTube, watch this lip
Speaker 1: sync and listen. You will hear me underscoring the entire thing,
Speaker 1: screaming the whole That's why they picked me for the confessional.
Speaker 1: In between, I was freaking out. I was like, this
Speaker 1: is a season six by dream Like, I'm watching this
Speaker 1: ins front of my eyes, both of them killing it
Speaker 1: like crazy, holding her own look Ganja like and Leganja
Speaker 1: had us all in stitches the entire time, Like talk
Speaker 1: about somebody who is just so tapped into themselves. And
Speaker 1: I love Leganja. I got to see Leganja a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago when I was in l A and
Speaker 1: I was like, Mama, I'm like just watching you and
Speaker 1: seeing you shine so brightly in this moment. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've always believed in you. I've always seen so much
Speaker 1: of like myself in like you and who you are,
Speaker 1: and to see you just absolutely blossom and shine in
Speaker 1: this iconic what it's like. It's really like it has
Speaker 1: to be like top three, if not like the best
Speaker 1: one of all times. Like it's like it's it's it's amazing,
Speaker 1: And we all knew in the moment, we all knew
Speaker 1: in the room. Well, especially when you think about and
Speaker 1: this goes without saying, like everyone already knows this people
Speaker 1: who've watched for people, especially people who watched season six
Speaker 1: at the time and air and then like have been
Speaker 1: on this have tractal Gondre's journey since then, Like she
Speaker 1: probably went through one of the more traumatic experiences on
Speaker 1: that show. Totally. Well, I mean she was, she was.
Speaker 1: She was like she was one of those early figures
Speaker 1: of like everyone like fucking attack this person and patients
Speaker 1: here for someone. Well, I mean like, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what the worst part about that is people are coming
Speaker 1: for her. She is the vernacular of this entire franchise,
Speaker 1: Like how are we going to It's it's so polarizing.
Speaker 1: Everyone is so fucking fickle, But like it's it's she is.
Speaker 1: She's done so much. We say it all the time,
Speaker 1: we are quoting her con she obviously like I mean
Speaker 1: like she's like pulling all these like form these like
Speaker 1: isms that are like originated like by like queer black people,
Speaker 1: queer black trans people. But it's like, but like you know,
Speaker 1: there's something to be said about the way she like
Speaker 1: really went for it and curated these things absolutely, like
Speaker 1: it is like you can trace it back to Lagna
Speaker 1: at least within the show totally, and like, of course
Speaker 1: with the history of where it comes from with like
Speaker 1: trans black women, but also like you can't have a both.
Speaker 1: You gotta really either be on the side of Lagana
Speaker 1: and and like appreciate her doing my new thing is
Speaker 1: like get into it or get out, Like get out
Speaker 1: and stay at a full circle like it's I just
Speaker 1: I love the bench seeing that live was left. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because there's up and it's stuck and we're like, where
Speaker 1: the hell is this PERSONA you never know who it is, no, never, never, never,
Speaker 1: We never get any like inkling or anything like that.
Speaker 1: And so just to hear a distant echo, come on
Speaker 1: all Star six knew you knew. I had full body cells.
Speaker 1: I had full body it's freezing in that studio. I
Speaker 1: had full body chills. I was like, I can't believe
Speaker 1: this is happening right in front of my eyes. And
Speaker 1: I mean there's some I mean now, especially I did
Speaker 1: feel bad for Silky and that moment when when she
Speaker 1: threw the thing and it smacked Silky right in the
Speaker 1: sucking face. But now it's fun to think about because
Speaker 1: Silky ended up like having this great triumphant moment herself totally,
Speaker 1: but like her on the pit stopped talking to Tricksie.
Speaker 1: That was also like the projects, a little like supplemental
Speaker 1: thing where you're like, oh, she's good. She's in a
Speaker 1: great place, in an awesome place. She was so funny.
Speaker 1: And you know what the other thing, too, is is
Speaker 1: when you watch the untucked of her in that episode,
Speaker 1: watch the untucked of when they bring her out of
Speaker 1: the van, it's eighteen seconds of pure gold. She's like,
Speaker 1: doors open, and she's like, you're gonna tell the stone
Speaker 1: that this big elephantor doesn't know. But I thought I
Speaker 1: was gonna just whisk it all away, like it's she
Speaker 1: is on another planet high and just like but she
Speaker 1: needs to be yes and the best pitch speaking of
Speaker 1: the pit stop when she was talking about like how
Speaker 1: how many milligrams is like a functioning level. That's me
Speaker 1: and like my worst moment, I'm spiraling when I'm at
Speaker 1: thirty okay, or on eating sugar fish and it's all
Speaker 1: the same. But like, I wait, did you give me
Speaker 1: an edible in Fire Islands? And that was good? Ship,
Speaker 1: I gave you a mushroom. Oh that's right, you can
Speaker 1: took up. Those were good. We ran into We ran
Speaker 1: into Jan and the girls and we all went into
Speaker 1: what was that? That was like the later night night
Speaker 1: right talk about transforming the space girl completely different. That
Speaker 1: was a fun night. That was really fun. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you that week was so good that this was the
Speaker 1: night before you got there. That's right, that's right. But
Speaker 1: I remember seeing calling the boardwalk and I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: guys were in the building. They were president, come on, come,
Speaker 1: come on season. So when you're performing in doing all
Speaker 1: this that now you're traveling, you're you're singing live now,
Speaker 1: and do you sing like live? Always know? The vocals
Speaker 1: were incredible that night. Thank you. It's one of those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm somebody who like if I'm not really getting sleep,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard. So and like with the travel
Speaker 1: and honestly, like with the air like I was just
Speaker 1: when I was in La. I hate to say it.
Speaker 1: It's dry, it's too dry, and my cords were just
Speaker 1: a nightmare. And then like I get sinus infections like
Speaker 1: super easily, like even with the even after Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I have to go get it like re looked
Speaker 1: at because I'm like, oh God, like it's happening again.
Speaker 1: Where it'll like it's on or it's it's it's often
Speaker 1: a major way. But that's the thing. It's like I
Speaker 1: have other moments that I can do, Like I love
Speaker 1: my mixes, Like I try to sing live every time
Speaker 1: that I can, because it's I feel like it's people
Speaker 1: with you. It's like, you know, it's not just going
Speaker 1: to be like, you know, here's so and so come
Speaker 1: out to sing. It's like, here's a singer singing. Did
Speaker 1: you get like a rhino septo? Um? No, I didn't
Speaker 1: do any rhino. So when they took my sister own,
Speaker 1: I got a rhino septo and like I think that
Speaker 1: they did correct like a deviated septom that was in
Speaker 1: there I didn't know about. So now it's better. But
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you live in l A. It's
Speaker 1: really and I'm wondering if like maybe that's just because
Speaker 1: I was there, like I left two weeks ago, Like
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if it's just like it was a residual
Speaker 1: moment that it just I was like out there, like
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of the desert like this thing,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, oh, okay, like I'm probably
Speaker 1: just dry as hell, and it's just like adding on
Speaker 1: top of it. Plus I'm like doing night work. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm literally up like like we're like
Speaker 1: we're shooting from like yeah six to like six and
Speaker 1: like also it's not sleeping, don't you feel it? So
Speaker 1: you went you're like hyper aware of your instrument? Yes, oh,
Speaker 1: one thousand percent. I wake up every morning and I'm
Speaker 1: literally like, like where am I Like I have to
Speaker 1: just like see where I'm at because it does dictate
Speaker 1: like my day or like my work or like everything
Speaker 1: like that. So I'm very annoyingly aware. But that's poco.
Speaker 1: That's like I'm not saying is annoying obviously, but it's
Speaker 1: like you have to like not that's your way. I'm
Speaker 1: not not, You're not. I'm not not. I feel like
Speaker 1: people who people who come out of there are like
Speaker 1: just precise n Jackson, Katherine McPhee, Kather McFee. We were
Speaker 1: watching um with the same voice teacher really Catherine Katherine McFee.
Speaker 1: We were talking about her first American Idol audition when
Speaker 1: she said God Bless the child and like it's still
Speaker 1: one of the craziest robber vocals I've ever heard. Beautiful.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's separate the art from the artist, like
Speaker 1: Banks rules are separating the art from the artists. Wait,
Speaker 1: what's the to Alice Ripley ship? Who I haven't? I do?
Speaker 1: You do? You know the deal? Let's take a deep
Speaker 1: dive into TikTok right now. Do you all have TikTok?
Speaker 1: I do. I don't, but my algorithm does. Isn't smart
Speaker 1: enough to know that, like I would be interested in
Speaker 1: like sort Broadway TikTok Okay. What I gather and I
Speaker 1: don't know too much about this is that somebody was
Speaker 1: a big fan. UM was a young was a young fan,
Speaker 1: like twelve or thirteen, and was very UM like in
Speaker 1: the fan base of Alice Ripley was like a big
Speaker 1: fan just like really loved her. And I believe Alice
Speaker 1: Um responded to her in a way that UM made
Speaker 1: the girl feel like closer to her and and and
Speaker 1: enticed her in a way like that where it where
Speaker 1: it was grooming and um, and I'm like and I
Speaker 1: read it and I was just like, oh, I wonder
Speaker 1: and then I just like, as the story was going on,
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder what she said and what
Speaker 1: she did and when the girl was like it was this,
Speaker 1: it was this was this And when other people and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh whoa, Like that's not good off
Speaker 1: the jump, and then like doubling down on things where
Speaker 1: other people were like her relationship with you was weird.
Speaker 1: Seeing that, I was like, that is not what the kids,
Speaker 1: not what the kids know that, and it's yeah, like
Speaker 1: and now this girl's like on TikTok telling her story,
Speaker 1: it's like sad. I'm like, oh god, like you were
Speaker 1: so young, and like that's horrible. I don't even like
Speaker 1: I have young fans too. I'm never gonna like they
Speaker 1: were talking about like lingerie, I could not even imagine.
Speaker 1: Maybe she didn't know that how girl, how young the
Speaker 1: girl was. But the thing is just like you can.
Speaker 1: So that's where it's just like to have a certain
Speaker 1: relationship with that person at that point, I feel like
Speaker 1: when you're a star. And that's what's weird too, is
Speaker 1: it's like I don't know, it's like you never know
Speaker 1: who people are going to be online. It's it's weird,
Speaker 1: like it's it's like a little scary and freaky when
Speaker 1: you think about, well, it seems like and it seems
Speaker 1: like she was the person to like engage in initiation
Speaker 1: and this totally that's that's where that's like she was like, exactly, yeah,
Speaker 1: who he was talking about talking about? Um, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you know anything about Alice Ripley, it's like there's
Speaker 1: something off the peppermint twist twist about the game? Is
Speaker 1: the peppermint twist? Her YouTube? Oh, her YouTube circut two
Speaker 1: thousand nine, like right after right after next to or
Speaker 1: something like, yeah, I think that's what that's what the
Speaker 1: channel is called. Next to Normal was one of the
Speaker 1: most transformative Broadway experiences I've ever had. I've never cried
Speaker 1: that hard in a Broadway theater. I I literally from
Speaker 1: from Hey number three through so anyway, I'm leaving all
Speaker 1: the way through, um fucking I am the one who
Speaker 1: loves you, that through the end of that, and then
Speaker 1: I'm like, literally, I I'm screaming, sobbing in the audience,
Speaker 1: and so was everyone else. Absolutely I missed Broadway. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was on an anti Broadway kick for a moment
Speaker 1: where I was just like, this is just too much,
Speaker 1: Like we're doing too much with this, the shows that
Speaker 1: we're doing right now. We gotta figure it out right now, y'all. Girl.
Speaker 1: But I am like hardcore back on a Broadway kick.
Speaker 1: I'm like I can't wait to see shows. I want
Speaker 1: to be on Bucking Broadway, like I want to do it.
Speaker 1: I'm in a major way, like I want to be back.
Speaker 1: I would stock bad Cock to see like Honey, I
Speaker 1: shrunk the kids the music. I'm not even kidding you.
Speaker 1: I want to see and I really think that this
Speaker 1: would be and this is my own star vehicle right now.
Speaker 1: I would think that the one that I want to
Speaker 1: do so bad is I want somebody to make a
Speaker 1: miss Congeniality music and I wanted to be they. I
Speaker 1: want them to be like for me or like somebody else,
Speaker 1: like double castes, like the boy version, like like Crazy
Speaker 1: is like now a boy, but like she becomes drag queen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's like it's never gonna I love the idea
Speaker 1: of it. It's my favorite movie. So I'm like one
Speaker 1: of a million, you one in a million. The dance
Speaker 1: break for that, Yeah, that's that makes these Thanksgiving Day
Speaker 1: parade for Yeah. I got to tell San Sandra. I
Speaker 1: was like, you just have to know that, like there's
Speaker 1: been this like re reappreciation for that dance number from
Speaker 1: that that part of the movie on like gay Twitter.
Speaker 1: I guess yes. She was like really, Oh that's so fun.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I just had to talk. That
Speaker 1: was one moment of like fangirling. It's just like I
Speaker 1: have to It was two, it was a long time ago.
Speaker 1: Girl was twenty week decades old. I was an establishing Towers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was thousand one. These movies old. And let's talk
Speaker 1: about a successful musical. Adapt should the best? Was talking
Speaker 1: about the Doll yesterday. Yeah, I said, maybe best opening
Speaker 1: number in a contemporary musical. Oh my god, you guys,
Speaker 1: it burns the house down. Yeah, Rivals defying gravity with
Speaker 1: so much better. And I have to say, and I
Speaker 1: have to be honest, I feel really bad. One day. Um,
Speaker 1: one day I was tweeting and um I and I
Speaker 1: um said, like it's I was like, legally Blonde is
Speaker 1: so underrated, which I now realize is like not the
Speaker 1: right syntax for what I was trying to say, because
Speaker 1: I just so appreciate the musical and I'm like, this
Speaker 1: should have won every single Tony Award. It should have swept.
Speaker 1: And people were like, it's actually not underrated. It's the
Speaker 1: most like regionally performed musical like ever, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't mean it like that. I don't mean like that.
Speaker 1: I want I'm gonna get into my I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey later and we're gonna say shut up girls
Speaker 1: with the Twitter. Okay, but like are circling back into
Speaker 1: that during the conversation ship. But yeah, I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, that's not what I mean by that. No,
Speaker 1: I actually have nothing but the most love and respect
Speaker 1: for this musical and I just want the world I
Speaker 1: wanted to win in twenty one. I wanted to win
Speaker 1: Best Revival when it gets revived, because that's going to
Speaker 1: be must it will be. It has to be. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a star vehicle for an actress like Joel and
Speaker 1: I did that, Um did the Legally Blond podcast and
Speaker 1: do you remember like watching the show, like the role
Speaker 1: of l is so hard and you have to be
Speaker 1: so funny and such a good singer and hold this
Speaker 1: center and Laura bell Bundy like say what you want.
Speaker 1: But the thing is like Laura Bell Bundy was serving down,
Speaker 1: she was carrying down. I'm not prepared to say that
Speaker 1: about Laura Bell Bundy, but must And I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: when I saw this is the I think the moment
Speaker 1: I realized it was like literally literally literally I'm in
Speaker 1: the back row. Parents spread the musical. You could not
Speaker 1: get tickets. My parents somehow got tickets. It was the
Speaker 1: original Broadway cast. Matthew Morrison, Bitch, Harvey Fierstein, Marissa Jaron
Speaker 1: went over all the dolls Um Carrie Butler um as
Speaker 1: Penny Oh. Miss ambervon Talusa was played by Laura Bell
Speaker 1: Bunny and the high harmony was being belted in a
Speaker 1: way that made me during you can't stop the beat,
Speaker 1: when they're like, we can make cat that and then
Speaker 1: when they go yes Mac and literally I start crying
Speaker 1: profusely from joy. My mother turst to me, why are
Speaker 1: you crying? I go, I don't know. I was so happy.
Speaker 1: That was the first time you saw the like I
Speaker 1: know exactly that feeling. It's visceral, was belting out you
Speaker 1: can't stop the beat. At the end, I was just
Speaker 1: like the Catharsis was so on another level in the room.
Speaker 1: I was just like, I literally like my body could
Speaker 1: not contain it. Everyone's involved, everyone rate number. I love
Speaker 1: that musical so much. It's a good one and one
Speaker 1: that what I love about it is that like John
Speaker 1: Monters is like, yes, I approved, this is like the best.
Speaker 1: This is the best version of what it could have
Speaker 1: been real camp, the music, the the coreo, the everything,
Speaker 1: every just like the fucking time period, Like how funny
Speaker 1: it is and then also the twist a sickening message
Speaker 1: yeah actually s yeah, like it's it's it has it all,
Speaker 1: it really does. It's one of the grades sickening. This
Speaker 1: is what I wanted to ask before we go and die.
Speaker 1: Don't think so, honey. So we were talking about this
Speaker 1: this week, like what was what was the dissemination of
Speaker 1: information I guess for you guys when you were eliminated,
Speaker 1: Like okay, like these are the songs you guys, these
Speaker 1: are extra songs you guys should learn for For No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like extras. It was just like a long
Speaker 1: list that we had like from the jump, so amazing,
Speaker 1: and you learned them all. You probably know a bunch
Speaker 1: of those. Yeah, you know a bunch of them. I'm
Speaker 1: just a psycho and like you're especially during the quarantine
Speaker 1: because we had a quarantine before we like set, I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, cool, like I have the list of songs.
Speaker 1: I was like, let me just familiarize myself with the
Speaker 1: ones that I don't know, and then like absolutely raped
Speaker 1: to the ones that they do, so it was it
Speaker 1: was fun, like you get to just learn and I'm
Speaker 1: like psycho musical theater. I'm like, I'm going to write
Speaker 1: down all the lyrics for these songs because I want
Speaker 1: to know them and like just just have them down
Speaker 1: and like memorized, like just in case. But was the
Speaker 1: list longer than it wasn't like twelve let's say, Or
Speaker 1: was it comparable? And yeah it was. It was the same.
Speaker 1: It was the same. They did a great job of
Speaker 1: disguising it, like we had no idea, like what was
Speaker 1: happening with this entire game within a game, and like
Speaker 1: they just absolutely no idea. I love it. So do
Speaker 1: you do you when you get those lists like for
Speaker 1: this season, Like was there a song that you were like, fuck,
Speaker 1: hope I get that. Yeah, it was phoned by Lizzo.
Speaker 1: That was amazing. Yeah, Ginger, Ginger really did and they
Speaker 1: have too. They both really killed it. But I was
Speaker 1: like that or and of course, like I'm sandwiched in
Speaker 1: between with Womanizer love it free brittany um, but I
Speaker 1: I just it. Yeah, just was not my shiny moment
Speaker 1: and that's it's good. But so it's I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey, literally so, I don't think so honey. It's
Speaker 1: sort of that segment we do where we do remember
Speaker 1: sixty seconds I think sixty sity seconds around on something
Speaker 1: in pop culture that you know what it's time, it's time,
Speaker 1: we say it's time, we say, I don't think, so honey, Matt,
Speaker 1: you have something I do I do. Okay, we'll start
Speaker 1: with the amount as usual. This is Matt Rodgers. I
Speaker 1: don't think the only as time starts now. I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey that the hurricanes have names, because what
Speaker 1: it actually hurt ful to the people that have those names.
Speaker 1: Talking to someone right now whose mother is named Katrina,
Speaker 1: talking to someone right now who had a dog named
Speaker 1: Sandy and had to watch that dog go through that.
Speaker 1: Why the fund can't we just say, hey, y'all, hurricanes coming,
Speaker 1: duck and cover. Hey y'all, maybe hurricanes coming, Buy three
Speaker 1: bags of ice and put him in your freezer. Numbers
Speaker 1: heard of, numbers, heard of, colors, heard of I don't
Speaker 1: know shapes. Why do we have to ascribe them names?
Speaker 1: Because then, guess what, it gets re accomplicated, because then
Speaker 1: we have people walking the earth and they have to
Speaker 1: fucking know, like you know difficult. That was my mother.
Speaker 1: My mother was the trauma of Hurricane Katrina than many
Speaker 1: people that actually went through real bad things. But it
Speaker 1: didn't didn't feel good for my mother when that was happening.
Speaker 1: And Katrina did not deserve that. No, Katrina did. And
Speaker 1: I will say something here, Hurricanes don't like you in general,
Speaker 1: but when you get personified, it sort of gives you
Speaker 1: this like human nature that gives you more credit. And
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want you to have
Speaker 1: any credit hurricanes. I don't think so. Honey, you're all
Speaker 1: your names and that's one you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Why do they need names? And I would like any
Speaker 1: readers will help us. Is out there that our meteorologists
Speaker 1: sort of let me know why they need names? I
Speaker 1: can tell you. I think it is just for like
Speaker 1: organizational or you know you know what. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm coming to the conclusion right now. It's the media
Speaker 1: wanting camp them naming. Didn't we just have one named Elsa?
Speaker 1: She's in culture right now. They didn't just name it
Speaker 1: Elsa for no reason. You're you're gonna tell me that
Speaker 1: a Frozen hadn't come out in the last ten years whatever,
Speaker 1: that we were going to name this specific hurricane Elsa
Speaker 1: no camp So I did, I did look this part up.
Speaker 1: So there's people that have a job and their meteorologists
Speaker 1: and they get together at the top of the year
Speaker 1: and they decide on the name they sign. Isn't that
Speaker 1: so stupid? Like what is this fucking like Cosmopolitan magazine?
Speaker 1: What we got to do an editorial meaning about the names?
Speaker 1: And then then they pick on re flops get out
Speaker 1: of here, get out of here. No, you're right, why
Speaker 1: why why why is there this nomenclature for earthquakes or
Speaker 1: wildfires or like any other natural disasters. It just doesn't
Speaker 1: feel right to me. It feels like it feels it
Speaker 1: feels weird. It's like also like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: we're already scraping the bottom of the barrel with ri
Speaker 1: It's like we're running out of the name. Do they
Speaker 1: reuse names? Like? I guess at certain point they're going
Speaker 1: to have to. That's how we're GONNATO re like and
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, there's gonna be more
Speaker 1: hurricanes going forward, ashtaut Climate report. So now if you're
Speaker 1: telling me that we're on on re Now what the
Speaker 1: fund is next. Yeah, why can't we make and even
Speaker 1: if it's the same name, why can't we put in
Speaker 1: parentheses the year parent trap? Why can't we Why can't
Speaker 1: we do that? I just don't like the names of
Speaker 1: it all. I feel like I feel bad for the
Speaker 1: people that have those names. I feel bad too. But
Speaker 1: to be a fly on the wall in that meeting,
Speaker 1: like you know, something like just like tugging their hair
Speaker 1: behind their ears, being like I'm gonna say it, Elsa sorry,
Speaker 1: but Elsa like, oh yeah, should be ruin this thing
Speaker 1: for kids? What if that's a really bad one? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, we haven't even thought about that. We've been
Speaker 1: saying it but actually putting it together with a name
Speaker 1: that actually not means something to me, But like I
Speaker 1: actually like I have a relationship to because we all
Speaker 1: know the movie pros Yes, I was Whoa Okay, just
Speaker 1: like imagine like if you were Hurricane and also just
Speaker 1: like imagine being the flap in the room. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I have a list, um Tara, And they're like, no,
Speaker 1: I have another idea, um Sarah. And then the whoever
Speaker 1: it is, it's like what about on Red? And they're like,
Speaker 1: but like what if they're all like, maybe this is
Speaker 1: they're fun. Like, what if they're all just like they're like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: all right, we're going to my house. I'm bringing the edibles,
Speaker 1: We're gonna order Papa John's. Let's let's take a dive. Like,
Speaker 1: what if we're thinking about this in the wrong way.
Speaker 1: What if they're like elsa like and everyone's like, job
Speaker 1: is already fun enough for them. They get to put
Speaker 1: send balloons up to the sky, they get to stand
Speaker 1: in front of a green screen. The job is already fun.
Speaker 1: You get the skin in front of green and actually
Speaker 1: they really do have a lot sticks. They don't need
Speaker 1: to have this extra fun thing show off their personality.
Speaker 1: Maybe stumble on a word here or there, and and
Speaker 1: we when we love it and we love it and
Speaker 1: we love it. But you know, I think you're you're
Speaker 1: really onto something. Mr potential, You got potential, speaking, you
Speaker 1: got potential. We might have someone chicking one off that.
Speaker 1: No it's not. The Emmys are in weeks. Um alright,
Speaker 1: so speaking of this fish, it's actually Boonen's turn to
Speaker 1: don't think, Sonny, do you have something? I have something?
Speaker 1: I love to hear it. But this is actually very
Speaker 1: pertinent to us, the everyone in this room pertinent to us, all,
Speaker 1: even you over there, hreading head, Alright, this is Bowen.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. His time starts matter. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Fourteen floors, Okay, you're not getting
Speaker 1: away from the fact that we're on the thirteen. You're
Speaker 1: not making me feel any better about the fact that
Speaker 1: we're on the floor. That something bad will happen. A
Speaker 1: ghost is gonna come at the fucking vents and haunt us. No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be possessed by a demon when I walk
Speaker 1: out this building because I'm on the fourteenth floor with
Speaker 1: all these lovely people, and there's what I'm staying on
Speaker 1: in a hotel on the fourteenth floor. You're not you're
Speaker 1: not You're not pulling you're you're not pulling one on patronizers,
Speaker 1: patron patronizes. You're a patronizer. Oh and I don't think
Speaker 1: and I don't think the want to even me abscribing
Speaker 1: to thirteen superstitions. As we have, we learned nothing from
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift. That woman has embraced the number thirteen, and
Speaker 1: look how her life turned out. She's beautifully and look
Speaker 1: if the girls are gonna be girling and then let
Speaker 1: us girl and not have to worry about the number
Speaker 1: thirteen or if it has any actual significance. I've never
Speaker 1: had a bad Friday the thirteenth and my goddamn life.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. The way you said that, I
Speaker 1: have to say I still agree because let me tell
Speaker 1: you the most fun elevator in the world, the Tower
Speaker 1: of Tower. She gets off on the thirteen dropt to
Speaker 1: you all the stories, honey. And let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: If you haven't watched the Disney Plus series Behind the Attraction,
Speaker 1: you're missing out hunt because they get they get into
Speaker 1: the Tower of Terror in a way that is a
Speaker 1: gag and they have thirteen floors on that and that's
Speaker 1: the best building in the world. There. The conviction you
Speaker 1: had with that was absolutely beautiful, right Why pretend? Well?
Speaker 1: I like that I was able not to give myself credit,
Speaker 1: but I like that I was able to balance like thirteen,
Speaker 1: like like you're reminding us that thirteen is an unlucky number,
Speaker 1: and I just want us to like just engage Meredith. Meredith,
Speaker 1: So can I say something? Who said that thirteen was
Speaker 1: on the who it feels Christians very Christian I really
Speaker 1: tell us. I can't confirm or deny, but I will
Speaker 1: say it's there's something deep within my trauma from Catholic
Speaker 1: school that is going absolutely that. Yeah, I had a
Speaker 1: visceral reaction to when you brought up that and put
Speaker 1: it into the narrative. And I'm saying it has to
Speaker 1: have those ties. I don't know how to describe it,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, who said that there on? Third Team
Speaker 1: was unlucky? And then I'm like, I I blame I
Speaker 1: blame the Christian faith. I blame Christianity, Yes, among with
Speaker 1: among with many other things, among many other things. Yes,
Speaker 1: I blame for all, for all Dan I did before
Speaker 1: I forget. You have to know, and I'm sure you're
Speaker 1: sick of hearing this, but on set always say, is
Speaker 1: not this we even do? We even do that, the hand,
Speaker 1: the hand tucking the hair back like we do, we
Speaker 1: do it, and we studied it important films. Actually, it's
Speaker 1: an important importance like Citizen Kane of Three Second Films.
Speaker 1: Thank you. You know. That was literally my introduction to Cameo.
Speaker 1: I was filming a video to go, hey, y'all, I'm
Speaker 1: on Cameo right now. Yeah, everyone go to my cameo
Speaker 1: right now, you'll literally see the full length feature film
Speaker 1: of not This into My introduction for cameout, like and
Speaker 1: I'm like spring Chicken, like just so extending, like hey everyone,
Speaker 1: Like after I was like, hi everyone, I care out now,
Speaker 1: like just I really literally we watched it tis the
Speaker 1: other day. Find I challenge the publicists to find two
Speaker 1: more more powerful pair of words, just words two words
Speaker 1: to the fireworks on and I don't know what it was,
Speaker 1: but it's like accompanied by a short little scream. And
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, yeah, because because everyone anytime
Speaker 1: that it's like it's resurfaces on like on the internet,
Speaker 1: like every now and again every time without fail. It's
Speaker 1: like it's everyone, okay, like are people getting shot out there?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's literally fireworks, but like I totally
Speaker 1: get it, like yeah, because it's like like it's horrifying.
Speaker 1: It's a blood curdling scream. I'm on the fifth floor
Speaker 1: of a building. I'm in the corner, honey, Like that
Speaker 1: was like I heard it, okay, yeah, microphone on my
Speaker 1: iPhone at nine at the time, picked it up the scream.
Speaker 1: People forget about the scream. I will amazing. Oh my god. Wait,
Speaker 1: jan you're gonna love behind the attraction because I know
Speaker 1: you're a Disney gay. Yeah, I have not watched you have. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna go do tonight. I you know,
Speaker 1: I came back today and I said, honey, we're doing it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna order Olive Garden and we're going to enjoy.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch some of that. I'm gonna watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we can. I'm not going to go off on a
Speaker 1: potomac because because honestly, and I am obsessed, thank God
Speaker 1: with that. This is turning into but like not in
Speaker 1: an un organic way. It's it is culture. It's been
Speaker 1: gradual and like we've been like like, look, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: one of those like you know, audience ciphers for people
Speaker 1: like the standing for the person who's like I don't
Speaker 1: watch house I didn't until like two years ago, and
Speaker 1: now I'm like, fully, oh yeah, I'm invested. Like I mean,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be talking about it and it wasn't good.
Speaker 1: So just you know, we we we know that there
Speaker 1: are still someone actually tweeted at us. Um it's it's
Speaker 1: it's not that I don't like housewives or it's not
Speaker 1: that I don't like that lost culture. This is turning
Speaker 1: into a real Houseways podcast. I just needed them to
Speaker 1: acknowledge that it was turning into a real Housewives podcast,
Speaker 1: and now I will actually consider watching it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's perfect, beautiful journey. Also, it's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: here's the deal. If other culture were as good right now,
Speaker 1: is Lord had come a little harder on this album
Speaker 1: on I'm sorry and guess what. I guess who loved
Speaker 1: the first two Lord albums, but a girl this one
Speaker 1: was not. There's some good stuff on it. I don't
Speaker 1: want people to write it off so quick. Some good stuff.
Speaker 1: You know what I will say is a great album.
Speaker 1: Our sister, Ben Platt put out a great album down,
Speaker 1: singing down as always, singing singing, Way to go, sister,
Speaker 1: And here's our other sister. We can't wait for this.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, She's done it before God
Speaker 1: created this is jan Sports. I don't think so honey,
Speaker 1: and her time starts now. I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Children crying on plane, thank you. I can't do it.
Speaker 1: I was on seven flights in the last four days,
Speaker 1: and you know what, screaming kid on all of them.
Speaker 1: I and you know what, kids love them. I'm sure
Speaker 1: they're so lovely off the plane parents. I don't know
Speaker 1: how you do it. You are wonderful superheroes of this
Speaker 1: earth who are actually raising children in this time. However,
Speaker 1: I do not like it when I am trying to
Speaker 1: s L E E P after a show that ended
Speaker 1: at four and My and My Planet at six a m.
Speaker 1: I do not like it. And a sidebar, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey to the people on Twitter telling me
Speaker 1: that I shouldn't be angry about kids crying on planes,
Speaker 1: do you enjoy that soundtrack? I certainly do not. And
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm allowed to say that I don't.
Speaker 1: It's okay that I don't. I love kids outside of
Speaker 1: the thing. Can't wait to be an uncle one. I
Speaker 1: do not like them crying. And as a kid who
Speaker 1: was a crier, I can say that that's one minute
Speaker 1: you're taking it back, take it back. I can say that,
Speaker 1: of course I was. I'm a gemini. Iis from a
Speaker 1: young age, bitch like I. I'm an emotional many sides,
Speaker 1: many layers, and like Brady as hell as a kid
Speaker 1: to like it's it's but just correct. Only child no,
Speaker 1: I have two younger sisters. Got it plane crier? Though
Speaker 1: I don't think I've wrote that any player when I
Speaker 1: was younger, but I would imagine so I have like
Speaker 1: really weird again what the higner says, like I remember specifically,
Speaker 1: I think my first trip to Disney World again. I
Speaker 1: remember like flying into Orlando, screaming my ears off in
Speaker 1: orange pants that became zip up shorts, like and just
Speaker 1: bawling my eyes out because my ear drums hurt so bad.
Speaker 1: It like they were no joke ears on planes? Were
Speaker 1: you sensitive to that? I was not, but I my
Speaker 1: sister was. I remember being at that age and being like,
Speaker 1: I get white kids cry on and as as I've aged,
Speaker 1: I get it less. That's the irony. I'm like, don't.
Speaker 1: I don't empathize with that anymore. I don't like you, like,
Speaker 1: don't come on the plane if it's going to hurt you,
Speaker 1: because I think when you're a little kid, it's like
Speaker 1: you know, when you're a little kid and like everything
Speaker 1: is a big deal being on a plane. Of course
Speaker 1: you think you're going to be on the one that crashes. Oh,
Speaker 1: I still think I am every single time I fly.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's just something I have to figure out with
Speaker 1: my psychiatrist. But like I I'm in the same no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's just self selection biased like human beings do it.
Speaker 1: It's like you're like I will be the exception and
Speaker 1: my my case will be like the edge case and
Speaker 1: that like yeah, but it's but when you're a kid,
Speaker 1: everything's a big deal, and so you may be like
Speaker 1: you understand why another kid is feeling a specific strong way, yes,
Speaker 1: but as an adult, you're right, it's like all I
Speaker 1: want to do is turn to them and be like,
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, it's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 1: And like you are being too much, and like you'll
Speaker 1: be embarrassed about this later, Like you will, And that's
Speaker 1: the worst emotion than what you're going through right now,
Speaker 1: is the shame and embarrassment you will feel later for
Speaker 1: the way you're acting right now. You're gonna look back
Speaker 1: on this and you're gonna have learned, Like you're gonna
Speaker 1: learn from this, Like you think you feel bad now,
Speaker 1: so you realize that this was a fucking show that
Speaker 1: no one wanted to see. Imagine a Todd batter you,
Speaker 1: imagine you either of you saying that to a toddler
Speaker 1: and the toddler going thank you so much, like just
Speaker 1: like like someone like a toddler taking it. Imagine just
Speaker 1: a kid being like I wouldn't actual mom like it's
Speaker 1: like yeah, but it's like I want to I want
Speaker 1: to see a kid and it would not freak me out.
Speaker 1: This would probably freak some people out for a kid
Speaker 1: to be like emotionally mature or whatever. I want a
Speaker 1: kid who's just like, okay, yeah, you know what, You're right,
Speaker 1: you know what immediately immediately, and the kid goes to you.
Speaker 1: Whether it's crazy right, I'm asking inside, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: That would be impariss to impariss on God, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: gr no, not even not even like shapologize and just
Speaker 1: feel like you're right. I'm insane. Sorry, gets what most
Speaker 1: as like remember five minutes ago, it's like I Will
Speaker 1: said a vin name girl, do you want to slit? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Just like now we're good, take one little off, but
Speaker 1: um literally quickly put some thoughts on the season. Yes,
Speaker 1: give us sixteen seconds on that. Absolutely incredible. The girls
Speaker 1: are at the top. I think Karen Huger is a
Speaker 1: national tragedy. And if you think it's not a war,
Speaker 1: because this is the season where Giselle and Karen is
Speaker 1: coming to a head. And Gazelle went too far from
Speaker 1: me this week and you too, Robin. But can I?
Speaker 1: But can I? But can I actually say the hottest
Speaker 1: take about this? And I'm still on Karen's side. Just
Speaker 1: wasn't wishing death on right? But yeah, that doesn't doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: That's what Karen thinks and he should be able to
Speaker 1: apologize for it. And that is where the drama starts.
Speaker 1: I and you know that Karen at the end of
Speaker 1: this season was like, oh, the girls are coming for me.
Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm the last word in this
Speaker 1: fucking trauma right now, and she will not miss I
Speaker 1: got I don't want to say it because it will
Speaker 1: be competition for me, But she came on that bitch Mattess.
Speaker 1: The thing. Here's the thing too, the Wendy of it all.
Speaker 1: I believe that it's okay. Is Wendy going too far
Speaker 1: right now in terms of stelf love? You know, maybe
Speaker 1: on brass tacks face value. Yes, she's feeling herself and
Speaker 1: it's different than it was last year. She watched herself
Speaker 1: on TV after she had postpartum and she's like, and
Speaker 1: she was like, I want to reinvent myself and she
Speaker 1: is fully entitled to do that. For them to say,
Speaker 1: for Robin to use the word loose and then say
Speaker 1: you had substance last year. This year, you don't have
Speaker 1: substance was purely hurtful. They're jealous, they've gone too far.
Speaker 1: And for Giselle to literally round Robin be like, here's
Speaker 1: what's funked up about you? You? You, And then she
Speaker 1: turns to Robin, her own best friend, and says, no
Speaker 1: one wants to marry unattractive and Robin's too fucking dumb
Speaker 1: to see that Giselle will do that to her, She'll
Speaker 1: still funcked her every single time. And then for Queen
Speaker 1: Icona Scala to be like, well, what about your fucking life,
Speaker 1: And then Giselle says, we're not talking about it because
Speaker 1: there has trolls at the table. No hone, you're actually
Speaker 1: gonna answer any question, absolutely and one. But let's just
Speaker 1: you said something in that last statement, which is the
Speaker 1: Queen Escala thank you, you will be you know. I
Speaker 1: don't know if they'll bump it up to eight, but
Speaker 1: they get that girl in the bigges. Apologies dropped into herself. Wait,
Speaker 1: we're recording this on SUNDA. I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: what U Scully gets into tonight. When you I was,
Speaker 1: I was listening to the to the last episode. Just
Speaker 1: like when she gets her confessional. When she gets confessional,
Speaker 1: they better give her hair beat down. I want to
Speaker 1: see her give it because you know she can give
Speaker 1: confession because she doesn't need to blow up. She already
Speaker 1: is coming in and being like, oh, I'm actually in
Speaker 1: designer head to tell I'm actually stunning. She's beautiful. And
Speaker 1: if you go back and watch like the early seasons,
Speaker 1: like Gills whole thing was like the reason she butted
Speaker 1: heads with Karen was because Karen was like Potomac is
Speaker 1: a place of etiquette, because I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: care about etiquette. And now Giselle is like all of
Speaker 1: a sudden protective of like all these stupid bullshit problems. Bully,
Speaker 1: she's a natural bully, and bullies need lackeys and she
Speaker 1: has one. And Robin, I think is too depress and
Speaker 1: to she is she she is just too sad to
Speaker 1: stick up for herself. And I'm just like the fact
Speaker 1: that Giselle was able to turn around on Robin and
Speaker 1: then come for her and say those things to her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she insulted her, like like she she really insulted her
Speaker 1: in front of people. Yes, I'm heartbroken for Robin this season.
Speaker 1: And you know what the thing is, I the wildest
Speaker 1: thing as I was like, honey, I've never related to
Speaker 1: you more, not getting out of bed until four four pm.
Speaker 1: Diva same like, and I'm like, it's sad because I
Speaker 1: just like, I'm nervous about the chair for her, I'm
Speaker 1: nervous and I'm nervous about the spot on the show
Speaker 1: because she loved herself. She would stick up for gall
Speaker 1: and guess what that would be a storyline she would stand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel I love her. I've I've been a Robin like,
Speaker 1: I loved her since day one. I think that she's
Speaker 1: just so like pure and genuine. But like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: nervous for her this season. Wendy is not gonna let
Speaker 1: this go. No, Wendy is going to pop. Y'all. We
Speaker 1: are we are in a renness Hunt Lake and Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills as good as it is, it is so we
Speaker 1: are in renaissance. It's the golden era of and this
Speaker 1: is why I'm saying it's a great time to get
Speaker 1: on board with the brook Ashley because I don't know
Speaker 1: she's and she's a beautiful smile and she's just like
Speaker 1: a great energy and she doesn't like a single cast
Speaker 1: member on any of the loves a Scalar. She she's like,
Speaker 1: she's like, she basically starts every photomic review be I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't can't stand most of the women
Speaker 1: on this cast, but it is my Havent franchise. But
Speaker 1: then she said they need to give a Scalar spot
Speaker 1: on the meeting. Yes, yes, she will be she will
Speaker 1: be getting this is the thing about a Scalar and
Speaker 1: this connects with Robin and Giselle. And here's the thing.
Speaker 1: She's Robin's friend, but she's not. She's aware of like
Speaker 1: the alley ship between Robin and Giselle. She's not afraid
Speaker 1: to call Giselle out on her shut no, like our
Speaker 1: apologies do. As a perfect example of that, our apologies do,
Speaker 1: even that phrasing so perfect loved just like dare she
Speaker 1: showed up and be the most beautiful at that dinner too, Yes,
Speaker 1: I was like. And the best part is that even
Speaker 1: though she's Robin's friend. She's on everyone side, every everyone
Speaker 1: is a fan of that. Literally, we are all. She's
Speaker 1: the rising star of this. I saw her at that
Speaker 1: dinner and I screamed, Audrey Hepburn. I literally screamed Audrey Hepburn.
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fun her? She care like
Speaker 1: Jacket were like Thinn knows, like great when you have
Speaker 1: her onted, She's the next part. She's the next part. Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean this Wow? Can you could you have asked
Speaker 1: for anything more? I could not have. We talked about Gaga,
Speaker 1: talked about drag Race, talked about housewives, talked talked about life,
Speaker 1: talks about the pursuit of dreams, of dreams, and I
Speaker 1: think I think, I think we're going to be following
Speaker 1: this one until the end of time, all the way
Speaker 1: to Broadway. Girl wants um. I want to do like
Speaker 1: TV and movies and it's Broadway. Yeah, That's what I'm
Speaker 1: loving traveling. I'm loving doing stuff like with you know,
Speaker 1: seeing the kids at the club and having fun. And
Speaker 1: I'm doing some music with like me and with Stephanie's
Speaker 1: child just like a movie which was great. Just I'm like, honey,
Speaker 1: I want to just drop it. Into every single like
Speaker 1: basket that I can because I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I've been playing this hand of just like I gotta
Speaker 1: stay focused on this one thing right now, which is dragons,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know what, that door shut right now.
Speaker 1: Let's just have fun and see what lands. And you know,
Speaker 1: why can't it all Like let's just have fun and
Speaker 1: go for it. You did so amazing with the platform
Speaker 1: and also just knowing you from the very beginning, like
Speaker 1: we could not be more proud, like and like I
Speaker 1: t same, like I I like remember just like years ago,
Speaker 1: just all of us just like being out just like
Speaker 1: not having a clue like where anything would go, and
Speaker 1: like so proud of both of you, and like your
Speaker 1: careers are just like booming. It's like so excited to
Speaker 1: see like the two of y'all just like like not
Speaker 1: even bubbling, Like y'all are at a full fucking stimmer
Speaker 1: right now, bitch, Like y'all are really doing the damn thing,
Speaker 1: and it's so exciting at a rolling boil, honey, rolling boil,
Speaker 1: y'all are just amazing. And I can't wait to like
Speaker 1: see what y'all do next. I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: the movie just y'all are just so nice and so
Speaker 1: good and I'm I'm just so excited for both of golf.
Speaker 1: Come on, thank you so much. Mama. Um, what is
Speaker 1: the song? I think I have one. Okay, we'll crowd
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