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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I am your

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Speaker 2: host to Rich Barra. Now let me introduce you to

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Speaker 2: No Relation Mike Bera. He is a New York Best Times,

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Speaker 2: Best Times, New York Times best selling author Lecture in

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Speaker 2: TV Personality whose books have sold over one hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: copies worldwide. He's made hundreds of TV appearances, including on

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Speaker 2: Ancient Aliens, and is a contributing writer for the YouTube

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Speaker 2: channel The y Files, which I check out pretty much

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Speaker 2: every day too. What a pleasure to have you on, Mike,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Nice to meet you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks. Yeah, it's great to meet another bear, even though

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Speaker 3: we don't spell it the same way.

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Speaker 2: But you got Italian roots? Or is that Bearra? Not Italian?

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Speaker 3: Hungarian? Actually Hungarian and it may have been shortened from

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Speaker 3: something else. But I had a friend once who traveled

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Speaker 3: to Eastern Europe and said, actually bear is not that

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Speaker 3: big in Hungary, but it was really big in Romania.

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Speaker 3: And apparently I have a fairly large followup. I have

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Speaker 3: to go there sometime.

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Speaker 2: Check that out. You Well, that seems like that's right

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Speaker 2: up your alley checking out like some uh some vampire

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Speaker 2: lure white.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well why not? Yeah, I haven't done vampires before,

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Speaker 3: but it's time to time to maybe do a vampire book.

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Speaker 2: So so, I'm a longtime listener of Coast to Coast,

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Speaker 2: Love George Norri, loved Art Bell, love those guys, their mentors.

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Speaker 2: But you need to take me down the rabbit hole

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Speaker 2: for the first time, because after listening to the show,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know, honestly, really truly, after COVID the

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Speaker 2: whole moon thing, either we've gone a million times and

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Speaker 2: we've got, you know, a secret space program, or we've

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Speaker 2: never gone, and I believe both when I hear them both.

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Speaker 2: So I want you to take me gingerly down the

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Speaker 2: rabbit hole, and let's talk about all the things about

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Speaker 2: the Kennedy connection and all that. So, first of all,

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Speaker 2: when did you first feel like something was a miss

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Speaker 2: or connected with what we know about the moon in

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Speaker 2: President Kennedy himself.

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Speaker 3: When I was watching it on TV.

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Speaker 1: You know, I.

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Speaker 3: Felt that when I was a young boy watching all

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Speaker 3: these missions, I just felt like there was something wrong.

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Speaker 3: There were things that they weren't telling us. There was

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Speaker 3: you know, I remember watching the moon landings on television,

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Speaker 3: and there were times when the camera would pan away

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Speaker 3: from the astronauts, like when it was on they were

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Speaker 3: using a lunar rover and you know, they had a

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Speaker 3: remotely controlled camera, and I'm like, why are we not

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Speaker 3: watching what the astronauts are doing? And they would say

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Speaker 3: really weird things like well, you know we haven't we

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Speaker 3: haven't really been able to look around any more than

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Speaker 3: you've seen. And I'm like, we didn't see anything because

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Speaker 3: the camera, the camera was looking at everything except what

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Speaker 3: you guys were doing at the base of the hexagon

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Speaker 3: old pyramid mountain that you're telling us is a mountain, right,

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Speaker 3: So it was it was one of those things where

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Speaker 3: I just always had this sneaking suspicion that things weren't right.

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Speaker 3: And then okay, let me pause you just for a second.

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Speaker 3: So when you feel like they're not right, when are

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Speaker 3: you saying they're not showing us everything on the moon

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Speaker 3: or are you saying those aren't actually videos from the moon. No,

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Speaker 3: it's that that we went to the moon. Absolutely, I

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Speaker 3: they're not showing us what they're really doing. That's That's

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Speaker 3: what felt odd to me, that there were stuff there

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Speaker 3: the moon Landing. We had I had to play the

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Speaker 3: And it's more a question of why did we cover

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Speaker 3: Richard's gonna be on with George this week coming up

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Speaker 3: or very soon. You know, he was there when the

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Speaker 3: So NASA wants the conspiracies about the Moon to be

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Speaker 2: Okay, So why would NASA like, bring me back to that.

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Speaker 2: So if NASA started the rumors, why would they want

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Speaker 3: Because they needed In other words, if people started getting

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Speaker 3: suspicious about I think what was there? Because I think

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Speaker 3: they discovered there was more ancient alien technology there than

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Speaker 3: in order to make that the conspiracy theory. So when

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Speaker 3: the first thing they go to is, oh, you think

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Speaker 3: don't think that at all. I think we went to

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Speaker 3: the Moon and performed a bunch of secret society Masonic

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Speaker 2: But Okay, want.

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Speaker 3: People to ask that question. They wanted people when they

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Speaker 3: thought about conspiracies about NASA and the Moon to think about, Oh,

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Speaker 2: But I was watching, Okay, I was watching one of

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Speaker 2: your lectures and you kind of I'm going to kind

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Speaker 2: of dive into something you just said. So one of

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Speaker 2: when Kennedy gets elected as president, which you make a

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Speaker 2: pretty big case that that was no coincidence, that that

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Speaker 2: yet the Apollo mission was kind of wasn't him pushing

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean the the logo is and again,

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Speaker 3: you know, Richard Hoagland is the guy who discovered this

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Speaker 3: and really put it all together. It's the The program

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Speaker 3: to Project Apollo, they kept the constellation of Orion. Now,

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Speaker 3: the constellation of Orion is deeply connected to the ancient

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Speaker 3: your mission. And it became so pervasive that the NASA

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Speaker 3: And so Orian ultimately, when you get down to it,

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Speaker 3: their ultimate guy. So this whole Orian Osirius NASA connection

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Speaker 3: I just can't ignore it anymore. And I know it's

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Speaker 3: The thing is you have to pick the landing site, date,

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Speaker 3: Hitler's birthday was doctor Farrukil boss WoT, who was a

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Speaker 2: You talk a lot about coincidences that just are not coincidences.

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Speaker 2: And since we're gonna get into Kennedy thing in the

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Speaker 2: space thing, you kind of mentioned about how were there

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that was more that was more geared towards

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Speaker 3: George Herbert Walker Bush, who has some very deep connections

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Speaker 3: you want to do a whole show on that. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: So let's say, I'm gonna I'm coming from the place

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Speaker 2: before Kennedy became president he knew enough about aliens before

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Speaker 3: Well, I think by the time Kennedy got in there

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Speaker 3: government that knows about Roswell is John F. Kennedy, a

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Speaker 3: new congressman from Massachusetts. And he knows it because he

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Speaker 3: It shows that he did know it and that he

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Speaker 3: James Forrestall. Now, James Forestall was, of course the first

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Speaker 3: And JFK almost certainly knew what Forestall knew about aliens.

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Speaker 3: And there's a lot of evidence to suggest, Michael, doctor

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Speaker 3: Michael Sala has been great digging some of this up,

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Speaker 3: that Forestall and Kennedy both felt the same way that

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Speaker 2: I was just about to ask you about that. Would

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Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, And remember before the assassin. While I'm getting

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Speaker 3: really into the down of Rebinolds.

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Speaker 2: That's okay, that's okay, that's what we're here for.

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Speaker 3: Before they assassinated him physically, they assassinated him his character

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Speaker 3: to be drugged, and they basically tried to character assassinate

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Speaker 3: sent to Bethesda Naval Hospital, where he accidentally fell or

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Speaker 3: after having strangled himself with his own pajama drawstring. So

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Speaker 3: you know, there's a book out there called The Strange

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Speaker 3: Death of James Forrestall and it's really really bizarre stuff.

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Speaker 3: And you know, here's another interesting thing, which is the

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Speaker 3: President Kennedy made one trip to Arlington National Cemetery during

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Speaker 3: his administration. He was only in office for three years,

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Speaker 3: there silently for about forty minutes, looking at one grave,

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Speaker 3: and that was the grave of James Forrestall. And I

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what got what ultimately got him killed.

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Speaker 2: Oh really, that's actually I haven't heard that connection until

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Speaker 2: you brought that up. And what do you think the

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Speaker 2: relationship was between jfk and James Forrestall? Why is that

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Speaker 2: significant to We're aware it was one of deep friendship

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Speaker 2: and he was a fan, he was a family friend.

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Speaker 2: He golfed with Joe Kennedy Senior on many occasions. And

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Speaker 3: Kennedy was injured and then recuperated at the hospital where

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Speaker 3: he apparently fothered Bill Clinton, you know, it's crazy too,

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Speaker 3: but I mean, you can certainly make a circumstantial case

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Speaker 3: the relationship was very close because after JFK was discharged

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Speaker 3: was actually quite good at it. Hired by William Randolph Hurst,

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Speaker 3: who was a fellow to know today be billionaires but

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Speaker 3: multimillionaire friend of Joe Kennedy, and he was assigned to

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Speaker 3: cover guess who James Forrestall as the Secretary of the

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Speaker 3: Navy as he traveled around post war Nazi Germany, and

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Speaker 3: on at least one occasion, and this is really interesting,

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Speaker 3: test ring was So I feel like, you know, if that, yeah,

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Speaker 3: if that was ancient, if that was alien technology or

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Speaker 3: some outgrowth of alien technology. He and Forrest All certainly

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