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Speaker 1: Well because the hip hop, you know. Anyway, I have
Speaker 1: to be honest. Welcome home, y'all. First of all, this
Speaker 1: is episode seventeen of Native Land Pod where we can
Speaker 1: give it to you straight, no chaser. I we are
Speaker 1: your hosts. Angela Is have fake glasses, but we are
Speaker 1: your real hosts. I am Tiffany I'm just feeling you
Speaker 1: for it, joined by Angela R. Who's feeling you for it,
Speaker 1: which I'll get to. And Andrew, what's up, y'all? I
Speaker 1: have to say, I love the glasses, Angela love your glasses.
Speaker 5: I am feeling you for it.
Speaker 1: And I don't even know where to start because I
Speaker 1: just literally seconds ago just listened to Euphoria.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, you are we taking the
Speaker 5: glasses off?
Speaker 3: We can, we can take him off now. But I
Speaker 3: just want to give a shout out to a.
Speaker 5: Different world and shout out dofferent.
Speaker 3: Way around HBCUs.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it, speaking.
Speaker 3: To the plight of our brothers and sisters of the
Speaker 3: hbc U campuses. Y'all have the reason I went to college.
Speaker 5: But can I can?
Speaker 1: I ask you, guys, because you you probably already listened.
Speaker 1: Have y'all listened to Euphoria yet?
Speaker 4: Of course several times?
Speaker 1: Of course you did, of course you have. I'm still
Speaker 1: bleeding out from it.
Speaker 3: Andrew trying to read the lyrics there.
Speaker 6: Oh oh, it's so perfect. Can I tell you my
Speaker 6: favorite part? Tell me it's one little thing that I
Speaker 6: haven't heard anybody talk about yet. Kendrick's diss is six
Speaker 6: minutes and twenty three seconds. Yes, what is the nickname
Speaker 6: for Toronto?
Speaker 5: Is it Crody? Because I've been trying to figure out
Speaker 5: the six.
Speaker 6: No, Crody is what crips in Toronto call each other
Speaker 6: instead of brody. Oh, he was in there when I
Speaker 6: tell you he was in there, But I think he
Speaker 6: made us six minutes because Toronto is the six. Oh,
Speaker 6: the cleverness, the cleverness of it, the brilliance.
Speaker 5: Welcome home, y'all.
Speaker 1: This week, I'm sure you've heard by now that the
Speaker 1: judge overseeing the criminal justice trial with Donald Trump facing
Speaker 1: thirty four accounts related to hush money, they call it
Speaker 1: for the alleged affair between he and Stormy Daniels. He
Speaker 1: was fined in that case nine thousand dollars for violating
Speaker 1: the courts gag order. Nine thousand dollars. Yeah, but this
Speaker 1: all happened on the heels of an interview he granted
Speaker 1: Time Magazine and which he said a whole lot of
Speaker 1: wild stuff. He declared that if an election was in November,
Speaker 1: or when the election is in November, he would bypass
Speaker 1: the law and deploy US military to detain and deport migrants.
Speaker 5: If he's elected, He hedged.
Speaker 1: On the possibility of more political violence if he's erected.
Speaker 1: He was basically saying his elected victory is inevitable. He
Speaker 1: would also permit states to decide whether to prosecute those
Speaker 1: who violate abortion bands. I can't even stress how dangerous
Speaker 1: that is. So for everyone thinking this election won't impact you,
Speaker 1: the GOP front runner is threatening to use the US
Speaker 1: military for his political agenda. We're going to be talking
Speaker 1: about that all through the show today, so stay tuned.
Speaker 1: But here's what else we're talking about on the show
Speaker 1: this week. What Because we like to talk about things
Speaker 1: that you didn't just hear on cable news, the things
Speaker 1: that you don't hear on cable news. We like to
Speaker 1: talk about things that are not being discussed. So we're
Speaker 1: going to start with this. But if I told you
Speaker 1: that hundreds of people, mostly black men, were being killed
Speaker 1: in the most painful and gruesome ways and the government
Speaker 1: was in on it, Yeah, it's a true story. Stay tuned.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I'm talking about. And guess who's hiring.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden police forces across the country. They
Speaker 1: show an increase in their ranks for the first time
Speaker 1: in four years. We'll get into why and what that
Speaker 1: might mean, and right on target. We've already seen their
Speaker 1: work across college campuses where professors and students alike are
Speaker 1: being met with state sanctioned of violence.
Speaker 5: It's ridiculous what we're saying.
Speaker 1: We're going to dig into the continued unrest across college
Speaker 1: campuses all over the country. I have a question I
Speaker 1: want to ask my co host when we get into that.
Speaker 1: Should these schools still hold graduation. We're going to see
Speaker 1: what Ango and Angela think about that. And I've always
Speaker 1: got Georgia on my mind. Shout out Today, the new
Speaker 1: battleground state is yet again struggling with a new voter
Speaker 1: suppression bill that could have dire consequences for the Biden
Speaker 1: Harris administration. That's something you have not heard about in
Speaker 1: the echo chambers. We're going to get into that. And finally, yes, everybody,
Speaker 1: calm down. I know you want my thoughts on the NBA.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give them to you. But there is
Speaker 1: more than just the games. The playoffs.
Speaker 5: Excuse me off some playoffs.
Speaker 1: The NBA playoffs and my predictions for the finals.
Speaker 5: Thank you. I was given a teaser at what I
Speaker 5: was actually going to talk.
Speaker 3: About clean I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Anyway, We're going to talk about how you guys might
Speaker 1: be watching these games in the future, so stay tuned
Speaker 1: for that. And before we get into the show, I
Speaker 1: just want to give you all a little bit of history.
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this podcast, fresh off the presses
Speaker 1: Thursday morning, thirteen years ago today, on May second, Osama
Speaker 1: bin Laden was killed by Steal Team six, a group
Speaker 1: of Navy seals. Twenty four years ago this week, South
Speaker 1: Africa was miired and talks led by their newly elected
Speaker 1: leader Nelson Mandela to end apartheid and a whopping five
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty years ago this week, Christopher Columbus arrived
Speaker 1: on the coast of Jamaica, set in the courts for
Speaker 1: the Spaniards to slaughter the island's original inhabitants of peaceful
Speaker 1: people known as the Arrowoks. Ain't nothing new under the sun, y'all.
Speaker 1: All right now, now that we're throwing it back, let's
Speaker 1: push it for it, Nick, take us down ninety five thousand,
Speaker 1: drop that base.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, I.
Speaker 1: Mentioned the time interview that Donald Trump did. Did you
Speaker 1: guys have anything on that?
Speaker 6: We actually have a question about what would happen if
Speaker 6: we get stuck with Donald Trump for former years.
Speaker 4: AT's say, listen, hey Native Lampard.
Speaker 7: My name is Sean, I'm twenty two years old and
Speaker 7: I'm from Atlanta, Georgia. I was just wondering if you
Speaker 7: guys had any advice, any tips, any suggestions, like literally
Speaker 7: anything about how we the people are going to deal
Speaker 7: with the next four years. We are probably sadly going
Speaker 7: to have Trump as the president, and we could potentially
Speaker 7: have a Republican House and Republican Senate, and because of that,
Speaker 7: these projects twenty twenty five policies will be passed that
Speaker 7: make or break our daily lives. So as these issues
Speaker 7: are coming upon us, how are we as civilians going
Speaker 7: to react or should react or should prepare ourselves for
Speaker 7: the next four years of our lives? Any suggestions on
Speaker 7: how the people are going or should survive?
Speaker 4: Sean?
Speaker 1: We were Sean shout out to the atl and stay
Speaker 1: tuned Sean because were gonna talk about something coming out
Speaker 1: of Georgia and later in the show.
Speaker 5: But I need Sean to keep up hope. Did y'all
Speaker 5: feel like he was.
Speaker 8: That?
Speaker 3: But my advice is do everything you can to prevent
Speaker 3: that from happening.
Speaker 5: Especially at a background.
Speaker 3: Stay.
Speaker 5: Come on, Sean, don't give up hope.
Speaker 4: You know, I understand where he's at.
Speaker 6: Though, when you look at what's happening and feeling like
Speaker 6: the folks that we fought to get to the polls
Speaker 6: for in a pandemic, a lot of folks who you know,
Speaker 6: don't necessarily have the access or the privilege of access
Speaker 6: to information that we have, don't.
Speaker 4: Really feel supported and hurt and fought for.
Speaker 6: So my advice to Sean would be make some calls
Speaker 6: to the White House and let folks know where you
Speaker 6: need to see them, how you need to see them.
Speaker 6: Kamala Harris is doing an economic tour right now that
Speaker 6: is incredible. She's been stumping for a reproductive justice. We
Speaker 6: need the same kind of energy for DEI and some
Speaker 6: other things like let folks know what you need to
Speaker 6: see so that people feel like they can be powerful
Speaker 6: and fighting. We also talked about some things on this
Speaker 6: podcast about what's happening in states and the kind of
Speaker 6: ads we want to see. Keep those kind of pieces coming.
Speaker 6: If we know that our ideas are being heard and
Speaker 6: we start to see them being made manifest even what's
Speaker 6: happening with the marijuana pardons are changing it from a
Speaker 6: scheduled one drug. You know what I'm trying say, reclassified
Speaker 6: from schedule one to Schedule three. That's major. I know
Speaker 6: it's not recreational, but it's still major. And so how
Speaker 6: can we, yeah, how can we lift up some of
Speaker 6: those things so that folks feel a little more hope
Speaker 6: filled and hopeful. And I mean with Sean, but I understand, yeah,
Speaker 6: I want to make sure I understand.
Speaker 1: Vice President Harris. I know, Angela, you mentioned the whole
Speaker 1: Mama Wad thing. If you guys can stay after, we
Speaker 1: should do a mini pod on that. If you guys
Speaker 1: are free to do that.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna make time. I'm gonna reclaim my time on
Speaker 6: that podcast.
Speaker 5: One thing that frustrates me.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you guys, the echo chambers cover
Speaker 1: two or three things a day, and there's so much
Speaker 1: more happening. And this is something that happened that I've
Speaker 1: referenced on the show that I want to just tell
Speaker 1: people about the hundreds of black men being killed in
Speaker 1: the most heinous of ways. In an analysis of more
Speaker 1: than fourteen hundred lethal injection executions conducted in the US,
Speaker 1: for the past forty two years. A new study shows
Speaker 1: that states made significantly more mistakes during the execution of
Speaker 1: black people than they did with prisoners of any other races.
Speaker 1: I want you all to take a listen to what
Speaker 1: happened when these botched executions take place, and remember this
Speaker 1: disproportionately impacts Black men.
Speaker 5: Take a listen.
Speaker 9: To keep the prisoner from feeling any pain, executioners would
Speaker 9: administer three drugs. First, they would inject something to knock
Speaker 9: the person unconscious, usually an anesthetic or sedative. Second comes
Speaker 9: some sort of paralytic meant to cease all movement in
Speaker 9: the body, and finally, a drug to stop the heart,
Speaker 9: usually potassium chloride. But here's something that shocked us while
Speaker 9: researching this piece. The man responsible for coming up with
Speaker 9: a three drug cocktail. He says he acted on a hunch.
Speaker 9: By his own admission, Doctor A. J. Chapman, did no
Speaker 9: research before coming up with the idea, and Chapman later
Speaker 9: admitted he was quote an expert in dead bodies, but
Speaker 9: not an expert in getting them that way. We may
Speaker 9: have been sold the myth of the painless execution, but
Speaker 9: many people on death row know how painful it could be,
Speaker 9: so some prisoners have asked to be killed a different way.
Speaker 9: The vast majority of execustions for the last forty years
Speaker 9: have used lethal injection, but other methods are still on
Speaker 9: the books, like electrocution, which one medical examiner said essentially
Speaker 9: cooks the brain. Still some said they would prefer that
Speaker 9: execution method because the electric chair usually takes around two
Speaker 9: minutes to kill someone. Lethal injection has taken over two
Speaker 9: hours in some cases.
Speaker 1: All right, I was horrified when I heard this, And
Speaker 1: the problem is because of a very punishing criminal justice system.
Speaker 1: The amount of black men that are sent to death row.
Speaker 1: In Louisiana, the odds of a death sentence were ninety
Speaker 1: seven percent higher for a black men whose victim was white.
Speaker 1: And in Oklahoma, a study found that cases with white
Speaker 1: female victims, cases with white male victims, in cases with
Speaker 1: minority female victims are more likely to end with the
Speaker 1: death sentence in Oklahoma with none white male victims. So
Speaker 1: I just when looking at this, I was mortified. I
Speaker 1: read this in The Times a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and it just occurred to me. I don't even know
Speaker 1: how you all feel about it. So Angelin, Andrew, are
Speaker 1: you all I don't know where you stand on the
Speaker 1: death penalty. Do you think it's something that should happen.
Speaker 6: I I've never been for the death penalty.
Speaker 4: I think that.
Speaker 6: You put yourself in the shoes of God when you
Speaker 6: take someone's life, and so I just I don't support it.
Speaker 6: I think what's remarkable to me are the folks who
Speaker 6: are allegedly pro life or anti choice, who are very
Speaker 6: gung ho death penalty, almost like aggressively so and that
Speaker 6: hypocrisy has always been, you know, really interesting to me
Speaker 6: that once the person gets here, you no longer care
Speaker 6: about how they live or if they live. So, yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't support the death penalty. I certainly
Speaker 6: understand when you have some situations where you know, it's
Speaker 6: hard to look at someone or see someone living if
Speaker 6: they've taken the life of your loved one, But I
Speaker 6: just I don't I can't do it. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 6: know what I would do if, you know, face it,
Speaker 6: like in a situation of self defense or something like that.
Speaker 6: But the death penalty, sentencing someone to death is not
Speaker 6: my choice, and I don't think it should be any
Speaker 6: of ours.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Andrew, what about you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I've evolved on this one because you know,
Speaker 3: when I was younger, it was if someone did something
Speaker 3: to my mother, I'd want to kill them, you know.
Speaker 3: And now that I'm a you know, a husband or
Speaker 3: a dad the three kids, I think, Man, if somebody
Speaker 3: you don't got to kill them, if you you know,
Speaker 3: if you do something that traumatizes them in such a way,
Speaker 3: you touch them, you do you know, you you know,
Speaker 3: you can imagine the scenarios in which you just want
Speaker 3: to wrap your hands around somebody and bring them to heal.
Speaker 3: But you know, the beauty is is That's why I
Speaker 3: wouldn't be a jury rists in my and a trial
Speaker 3: that involved one of my children right or one of
Speaker 3: my relatives who I care about and love deeply. And
Speaker 3: an evolved system, you would think that people would be
Speaker 3: able to look at these things and and and even
Speaker 3: for the families who have seen the aggressor put to
Speaker 3: death for what they did in violation of their loved ones,
Speaker 3: they don't feel any more complete at the end of
Speaker 3: the day. They don't feel any more healed, they don't
Speaker 3: feel any more hole, they don't feel any more reconciled.
Speaker 3: They don't feel like there was an eye for an eye.
Speaker 3: There is no justice in that once you take my
Speaker 3: love loved one's life, and I think the reverse also
Speaker 3: has to be true. That being said, when I ran
Speaker 3: for governor, I did come out against the death penalty.
Speaker 3: I still am today against it. But for me, it
Speaker 3: was an evolution. I think I was thinking with my
Speaker 3: you know under you know, not most matured mind about it. Right,
Speaker 3: It was retribution. It was if you've come from me,
Speaker 3: we come for you. And in an evolved system of justice,
Speaker 3: I think we've got to we've got to figure out
Speaker 3: as a society how to get beyond it. But you're
Speaker 3: you're reporting on this Tiffany with regard to the disproportionate
Speaker 3: application of the death penalty as a sentence when when
Speaker 3: black folks sit in its crosshairs. Think about the number
Speaker 3: of black folks who have been sentenced to death and
Speaker 3: weren't even appropriately found guilty, like you know, they've been
Speaker 3: adjudicated through you know, the Innocence Project or organizations like
Speaker 3: that that are out there to to to make sure
Speaker 3: that if you put someone on death row, you better
Speaker 3: make sure, make sure, make sure, make sure, double check,
Speaker 3: make sure that you've got the right person. And unfortunately,
Speaker 3: if you execute someone that's irreversible, you can't take that back. Yeah,
Speaker 3: uh so, and always I think we are impacted, and
Speaker 3: I think we're impacted and get the short end of
Speaker 3: the string on that one every time, and sentencing and
Speaker 3: the application of when the death penalty gets ascribed to you,
Speaker 3: and then obviously in the carrying out of the death penalty,
Speaker 3: which you've highlighted here.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look, black and Latino men make up
Speaker 1: fifty thirty one percent of the population and make up
Speaker 1: fifty three percent of death row inmates. So it's outrageous
Speaker 1: to see that this is happening. And I think you know,
Speaker 1: the prison population is often overlooked and not talked about.
Speaker 1: And so we just want you all to know your
Speaker 1: loved ones who listen to us, that our brothers and
Speaker 1: sisters in prison, you are not forgotten about here at
Speaker 1: Native Land. Welcome home y'all if you do get to listen.
Speaker 1: And just you know, we want y'all to know that
Speaker 1: y'all on our hearts and we acknowledge your existence because
Speaker 1: you matter. But this is right on topic with another
Speaker 1: report that came out this week about police swelling their
Speaker 1: ranks yet again. More police officers were hired in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three than in any previous four years, and fewer
Speaker 1: officers overall resigned or retired. This is all according to
Speaker 1: the two hundred and fourteen law enforcement agencies that responded
Speaker 1: to a survey giving their numbers. And I bring this
Speaker 1: up because pendulum swing and this one is swinging again.
Speaker 1: And just because it's not a breaking news banter where
Speaker 1: we were seeing our blood spattered across TV screens every
Speaker 1: few minutes, does not mean that these types of violence
Speaker 1: aggression towards black people specifically aren't happening. We certainly see
Speaker 1: it happening on college campuses, which we'll get into. But
Speaker 1: if you guys, I want you to listen to what
Speaker 1: police are facing. We actually hear from the Palm Springs
Speaker 1: police Chief Andrew Wells, and he talks about like basically
Speaker 1: what he's hiring.
Speaker 5: So take a listen and we'll talk about it. On
Speaker 5: the other side, this was.
Speaker 10: A horribly tremendous experience over the last few years where
Speaker 10: you had COVID, the uncertainty of whether or not you're
Speaker 10: going to come home because of that, and then real
Speaker 10: and that right into a lot of social unrest. I
Speaker 10: think that they're looking for, or that community where they
Speaker 10: see support.
Speaker 9: He says, policing in twenty twenty three is a tougher
Speaker 9: job than it's ever been, as officers are expected to
Speaker 9: deal with social issues such as mental illness and homelessness.
Speaker 10: Right now, the police are the only ones here to
Speaker 10: handle things that are incompany on all society. And I've
Speaker 10: got a twenty four year old kid with a BA
Speaker 10: degree or maybe a high school education, trying to solve
Speaker 10: problems that PhDs can't solve.
Speaker 1: So this is I think what we're seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of across the country now with this overly pronounced police
Speaker 1: force on college campuses. And this is not anything new,
Speaker 1: do you guys, remember I police, forgive me if I
Speaker 1: get this wrong. But there was a pool party somewhere
Speaker 1: in Texas and this police officer ran and tackled this girl,
Speaker 1: a teenage girl, like he was squaring off with a
Speaker 1: linebacker and tackled her, a young black woman to the ground,
Speaker 1: a young black girl to the ground. And I just
Speaker 1: look at these statistics about police swelling their ranks, and
Speaker 1: I just wonder, should this unrest end peacefully on college campuses.
Speaker 1: That does not mean that this aggressive police increase is
Speaker 1: going to end their tactics, So just want your.
Speaker 3: Turfing on it. Yeah, yeah, Before you know, to go
Speaker 3: back to the reporting, the reporter said that police are
Speaker 3: dealing with issues that they haven't had to deal with before,
Speaker 3: like homelessness and social unrest. Right as far as I
Speaker 3: can remember, police officers, certainly in my community, we're dealing
Speaker 3: with homelessness pre COVID back when you know, then two
Speaker 3: thousand and three when I first ran for office, social issues.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what the big difference is. The big
Speaker 3: differences is there is greater accountability.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 3: We saw in the George Floyd case, the first you know,
Speaker 3: near first successful prosecution of law enforcement for the murder,
Speaker 3: the senseless murder of George Floyd. We know that through
Speaker 3: body worn cameras, through people taking footage. You know, anytime
Speaker 3: they see law enforcement encountering citizens, that the pressure is
Speaker 3: on them to actually live up to the high expectation
Speaker 3: that should accompany any job where you have the ability
Speaker 3: to take life and almost be unaccountable for having taken life,
Speaker 3: right if you if you carry the power of God
Speaker 3: on your waist belt. There ought to be cameras. There
Speaker 3: ought to be accountability. You ought to be investigated upon
Speaker 3: use of firing, of pulling, and obviously the execution of citizens.
Speaker 3: In that regard, there's there's there's aside from the militaries,
Speaker 3: there's there's no other place in civil society where we
Speaker 3: give the power of an individual, a man, a woman,
Speaker 3: a person to be judge, jury and executioners should they decide?
Speaker 3: And so No, it isn't homelessness and social unrest. That's different,
Speaker 3: and in creating demand, it is greater accountability and there
Speaker 3: ought to be more of it.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 3: The fact that we could name the cases in which
Speaker 3: police officers have been accountable tells you enough that we're
Speaker 3: not seeing enough accountability in the system when we can
Speaker 3: name check them. I want to see a system where
Speaker 3: it isn't name check, where it is routine that these
Speaker 3: evaluations and systems of accountability kick into action. But I
Speaker 3: don't buy that one read sin that what's different is
Speaker 3: that we got a police homelessness now.
Speaker 1: Yes, on site, Angela, you've dropped in our group chat.
Speaker 1: This is a horrific interview with the former president.
Speaker 4: I was just pulling it up. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think what is most unnerving to me is someone
Speaker 6: who was elected as the law and order president running
Speaker 6: for reelection now even though he can't obey a lot
Speaker 6: or in order is talking about really wanting to see immunity,
Speaker 6: not just for the January sixth insurrectionist in terrorists who
Speaker 6: he also said that he would pardon, but also he
Speaker 6: said that he wanted police officers to have immunity. And
Speaker 6: that is really terrifying to me. Yeah, he wants them
Speaker 6: to be immune from prosecution. That, of course is a lion,
Speaker 6: you know, a lion's share beyond what has been the case,
Speaker 6: which is they have some protection from being personally sued.
Speaker 6: That has not We've been fighting for that to be
Speaker 6: overturned for some time. But he wants them to be
Speaker 6: immune from criminal liability. So if we use that, look
Speaker 6: at an example that I know pricked the consciences of
Speaker 6: many in this country with George Floyd. The officers who
Speaker 6: were prosecuted for the murder of George Floyd that we
Speaker 6: all saw on tape, they would not have been prosecuted
Speaker 6: because they would be immune in their official capacity. That
Speaker 6: is what Donald Trump is saying that he wants to do.
Speaker 6: So for me, that makes me really nervous. Like we've
Speaker 6: seen no matter who's in office, no matter who is
Speaker 6: the president. Police officers who are rogue, who only protect
Speaker 6: and serve some and shoot to kill others. And what
Speaker 6: he's saying is I want to make it so that
Speaker 6: they are not prosecuted. In some ways, they would say
Speaker 6: dog whistle. I think that as many times as they say,
Speaker 6: Donald Trump says the quiet part out loud. The fact
Speaker 6: that there was ever a quiet part, right, and the
Speaker 6: fact that you can now articulate it verbally is the
Speaker 6: whole problem.
Speaker 4: This should have never been the quiet part.
Speaker 6: The quiet part should have always been challenged, and by
Speaker 6: virtue of the fact that now he's not only saying
Speaker 6: it loud, he's doing it loud. His actions are loud.
Speaker 6: He is rogue, and he wants officers to be rogue.
Speaker 6: I don't know what that means for this country. I
Speaker 6: am not trying to be gloom and doom, but I
Speaker 6: want people to know what's really at stake, and this
Speaker 6: is severe and it's all in print on time.
Speaker 1: It's hard not to be doom and gloom when you
Speaker 1: read that the picture he paints in in this interview.
Speaker 1: I thought the interviewer did a great job because he
Speaker 1: was fact checking him in real time, and he said,
Speaker 1: but mister President, violent crime has gone down, you know,
Speaker 1: and this is a time of risking police swell their ranks.
Speaker 1: And he's saying this is according to law enforcement, many
Speaker 1: of whom support you, and Donald Trump says, Nope, I
Speaker 1: don't believe it. That's not true. Another thing I think
Speaker 1: we have to do that is from the FBI and
Speaker 1: not the local and a lot of his supporters, by
Speaker 1: the way, support abolishing the FBI if it is law
Speaker 1: and order. President, by the way, But I you know
Speaker 1: another thing that I think this may be a mini
Speaker 1: pod because we also have to think about the future
Speaker 1: of policing, right and how so as these agencies are
Speaker 1: hiring more law or enforcement officers I was reading I
Speaker 1: think from Reiters, they were saying how they're also spending
Speaker 1: money on like more body cameras, which I think is good,
Speaker 1: but also license plate readers, drones, thermal imaging, shot spotters,
Speaker 1: investigative technologies, video surveillance, facial recognition technology. And when we
Speaker 1: think about that in the ways that we are disproportionately
Speaker 1: harmed by law enforcement, I mean, we're to me again,
Speaker 1: I hear you, Angela. We don't want to be dooming gloom,
Speaker 1: But we could be looking at a dystopian society, a
Speaker 1: police state. We're people police have to your point, no
Speaker 1: accountability and a president who also has no accountability. So
Speaker 1: what does that mean for a peaceful transition of power?
Speaker 1: What does that mean for a peaceful protest that happened?
Speaker 1: What does that mean for people minding their own business
Speaker 1: walking down the street, and like stopping frisk policies could
Speaker 1: could re emerge. So it's it is frightening, It is
Speaker 1: doom and gloom to me.
Speaker 3: Well, I tell you the first of all, we we're
Speaker 3: we're not unfamiliar with what it is to live in
Speaker 3: a society where law enforcement gets to act without accountability
Speaker 3: from its very beginning, by and large, you know, back
Speaker 3: in you know, during the Western expansion toward California, you know,
Speaker 3: you'd put you shaffs would put a badge on uh,
Speaker 3: their their sibling or a friend so that they could
Speaker 3: lawfully kill uh an enemy of theirs. Right, And so
Speaker 3: it's not unfamiliar that this is this is where Trump
Speaker 3: wants to take us back to where and more accountability
Speaker 3: is attempting to be had for people in power who
Speaker 3: have gone unchecked law enforcement being at the epicenter of that.
Speaker 3: These folks are saying, hey, how do we get how
Speaker 3: do we get to go out and do our job
Speaker 3: when we got people pulling out cameras all the time.
Speaker 3: You ever see these law enforcement folks who say put
Speaker 3: away the phone, put down the phone. These are passer buyers.
Speaker 3: Right in Eric Garner's case, we saw a similar situation.
Speaker 3: Law enforcement turned their anger toward pedestrians, saying, put down
Speaker 3: the phone, put down the phone. They don't want accountability.
Speaker 3: And now what this man is attempting to do is
Speaker 3: to introduce the lawful killing of civilians, to reintroduce the
Speaker 3: lawful killing of civilians with again without any accountability whatsoever.
Speaker 3: And then finally on this Tiff and Angela, do y'all
Speaker 3: remember the good old days when people across political ideologies,
Speaker 3: we're talking about the need for the de escalation of
Speaker 3: law enforcement, the need to reform police departments so that
Speaker 3: they weren't just you know, gun carriers, but that you
Speaker 3: had folks who did civil patrol and traffic, You had
Speaker 3: folks who were homeless and social workers, and that whole.
Speaker 5: Complex. I giving the police force military equipment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and look what we're going back to Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: look at now what what he wants to throw back to,
Speaker 3: But look at what.
Speaker 1: We're seeing right now on these college campuses. I think
Speaker 1: it will. I want to get into that because it
Speaker 1: is hard to not address what has happened this week.
Speaker 1: I do want to get into that because we the
Speaker 1: violence that we have seen take place across these college
Speaker 1: campuses has been just unimaginable, quite frankly, So we're going
Speaker 1: to take a quick break. Pay some bills, but don't
Speaker 1: go anywhere, because the three of us are going to
Speaker 1: dive into some of the horrific scenes that we've all.
Speaker 5: Bore witness to this week. So stay right there, We'll
Speaker 5: be right back.
Speaker 2: You have been born to York University in.
Speaker 7: The Plaza. Now you will be arrested for trust use.
Speaker 3: As the New York City.
Speaker 7: You have.
Speaker 1: From Loyola University in New Orleans to the University of
Speaker 1: New Mexico to u c LA to Northwestern and Washington U.
Speaker 1: Encampments have popped up on more than three dozen campuses
Speaker 1: across this country, and the ubiquitous coverage of students and
Speaker 1: faculty calling for a ceasefire and a divestment in Israel
Speaker 1: shows support erupting across the nation and quite frankly across
Speaker 1: the globe, which we'll get into when we talk about it.
Speaker 1: But I'm curious to hear from you guys, what does
Speaker 1: this mean one for upcoming graduations, which I know pales
Speaker 1: in comparison when we're talking about the level of violence
Speaker 1: and people who are still being killed in Gaza. But
Speaker 1: also you know the role of municipalities and how we
Speaker 1: think they're handling it. But most importantly, I'm curious are
Speaker 1: these protests having any impacts on US foreign policy? So, Andrew,
Speaker 1: I wanted to start with you here because you know,
Speaker 1: you don't think about these things until they happen. But
Speaker 1: looking at the way these municipalities has handled it like
Speaker 1: it is up to the mayor to call the police
Speaker 1: or not, which I did not realize, and mayors have
Speaker 1: been making that choice. You were mayor of Tallahassee. I'm
Speaker 1: curious if should a protest like this had broken out
Speaker 1: on the campus of FAM you, how might you have
Speaker 1: handled it?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't have to theorize FAM. You was often
Speaker 3: having protests, not just FAM. You know, I was mayor
Speaker 3: of Tallahassee, which has two state universities, and one City,
Speaker 3: Florida and university Florida State. I guess some balloons here
Speaker 3: Florida State congratulation. Yes, and then and then Tallahassee Community
Speaker 3: College which is now Tallasse.
Speaker 4: University.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tele Community College. So sixty almost ninety thousand students
Speaker 3: right here in this area and protests is pretty pretty
Speaker 3: regular and pretty rampant with the state capitol here. A
Speaker 3: couple of things. One, typically, law enforcement of a municipality
Speaker 3: does not enter into a university campus without being invited,
Speaker 3: asked into, and onto a university campus. Most, at least
Speaker 3: in our case, most campuses have their own campus based police.
Speaker 3: That's true here, and it's it's true at Columbia, it's
Speaker 3: true at many of the other institutions. So the university
Speaker 3: really takes the lion's share the responsibility of shaping the
Speaker 3: response to students who are trying to trying to try
Speaker 3: to protest. I've heard people say in the last couple
Speaker 3: of days, you know, these protes has have gone too far.
Speaker 3: They have now gone and sat in and taken over buildings. Well,
Speaker 3: we took over buildings, we took over president's offices, we
Speaker 3: took over student union complexes in order to get into
Speaker 3: attention and to create an inconvenience. That was the point.
Speaker 3: If we went and sat under a tree that nobody
Speaker 3: ever saw, what real impact might we have. So it's
Speaker 3: a it really is annoying to me to hear people say,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, this was okay when they were
Speaker 3: outside on the lawn and with their signs and making noise.
Speaker 3: But when you go into a building, when you go
Speaker 3: and sit in a president's office, you've crossed the line
Speaker 3: that that defies any logic around civil civil rights movements
Speaker 3: citting participation and protests. Woolworths weren't serving black folks in
Speaker 3: the late nineteen fifties and early sixties. Right to go
Speaker 3: into a Woolworth and sit at a counter that was
Speaker 3: reserved for white folks was a provocation. And so with
Speaker 3: the people who are right now criticizing folks for occupying,
Speaker 3: for taking up space that you say is not theirs,
Speaker 3: would you have the same opinion or did you have
Speaker 3: the same opinion when we were watching the Woolworth counter
Speaker 3: demonstrations and so on and so forth. What I would
Speaker 3: say for anyone who is either on a college campus
Speaker 3: or lives in a college community when it comes to
Speaker 3: these kinds of protests. I would be very slow to
Speaker 3: call in local law enforcement unless it is absolutely necessary,
Speaker 3: and large part because local law enforcement oftentimes does not
Speaker 3: deal exclusively with students. They deal with some of the
Speaker 3: more hardened in our community, and not oftentimes protests. And
Speaker 3: I think sometimes the need to show who is in charge,
Speaker 3: I'm the authority here, has the intention of escalating a
Speaker 3: situation and causing things to spiral out of control when
Speaker 3: we think what we're doing is calling in safety and
Speaker 3: keeping everyone safe, in fact is the direct opposite. That's
Speaker 3: not always true with local law enforcement, but I will
Speaker 3: tell you I've seen far too many occasions, too many
Speaker 3: instances where we've gone from zero to one hundred almost
Speaker 3: overnight by the presence of enhanced law enforcement, where they
Speaker 3: come in with riot gear, warlike vehicles and so on
Speaker 3: and so forth, and it just has no place on
Speaker 3: a college campus in my opinion.
Speaker 1: I want I'm curious your thoughts, Angela, because as of Tuesday,
Speaker 1: more than twelve hundred people have been arrested.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, the first thing that I want to
Speaker 6: say is I have been really watching this and watching
Speaker 6: my rhetoric and trying to be mindful about how I'm
Speaker 6: engaging around the protests. Is there something from the other
Speaker 6: side that I'm missing? Is there a blind spot that
Speaker 6: I have? I did an interview last week for a podcast,
Speaker 6: and I was asked, if you know, if I thought
Speaker 6: that some of the hate speech was okay, and I
Speaker 6: was like, well, can you give me an example of
Speaker 6: what you heard, you know, because.
Speaker 4: Maybe I didn't hear it. I really want to know.
Speaker 6: And I think that one I'm concerned when I see Congress,
Speaker 6: you know, considering a bill that redefines anti Semitism, and
Speaker 6: then part of me says, you know, I'm really interested
Speaker 6: in what other movements, what other protected classes we can
Speaker 6: include in some of this.
Speaker 4: If we are true allies, as.
Speaker 6: We've known the Jewish people to be from the Civil
Speaker 6: rights movement, can we include in there protections for the
Speaker 6: Palestinian people? Can we include in there protections for black lives?
Speaker 6: Can we include in there protections for migrants? Can we
Speaker 6: include in there right everybody who is who has been
Speaker 6: hit hard on every side? Can we include them in
Speaker 6: there to be protected? Shouldn't we all receive that same protection.
Speaker 6: I'm all for expanding the Civil Rights Act because I
Speaker 6: don't want it to go away. And if this means
Speaker 6: we get to preserve it a little longer, by all
Speaker 6: means let's include who needs to be included. But also
Speaker 6: because I was so just feeling like the weight of
Speaker 6: what was happening in the civil rights movement, I picked
Speaker 6: up Julian Bond's Time to Teach, which our dear brother
Speaker 6: Van Newkirk wrote that afterward for and I read it
Speaker 6: a long time ago, and I was like, let me
Speaker 6: pick this back up. Van, as you all know as
Speaker 6: a brilliant, brilliant writer, and yes he's at the Atlanta
Speaker 6: but he wrote that afterward in this book, and in
Speaker 6: what Van was saying, he talked about sowing seeds of doom,
Speaker 6: or using the seeds for a paradigm shift. And I
Speaker 6: think that that's what this moment can offer us, because
Speaker 6: one of the lessons that Julian Bond gives in this
Speaker 6: book is that movements at the time are never popular. Popular,
Speaker 6: They don't like, they don't take off because there's viral
Speaker 6: and widespread support. They take off because they're necessary because
Speaker 6: somewhere someone had a conscience. I want us to sit
Speaker 6: with that, like, if we can put our humanity first,
Speaker 6: how do we show up? You know, if we can
Speaker 6: lay aside the labels just for a moment, how do
Speaker 6: we show up. There are kids now who are going
Speaker 6: to go into a very hot summer without running water,
Speaker 6: who are taking baths at hoses with buckets in Gaza,
Speaker 6: who are going to cool off in the ocean, and
Speaker 6: those are play days for them, and those are the
Speaker 6: only moments of fun that they're having. But there are
Speaker 6: also people like a young woman who I read about yesterday,
Speaker 6: who has been so traumatized. She's a teenager and she's
Speaker 6: urinating on herself uncontrollably. Like, this is not the kind
Speaker 6: of thing that we can turn a blind eye to
Speaker 6: and say because you looked at me wrong, because you
Speaker 6: said the wrong thing, because you did the wrong thing.
Speaker 6: Because you're not speaking up and naming every single hostage,
Speaker 6: like you're naming the number or numbering the amount of
Speaker 6: people who died in Gaza. I can't even hear the
Speaker 6: morality of what you're saying. It's fine to humanize the
Speaker 6: other side. The folks who are focused on the large
Speaker 6: numbers of people who are being hit. The folks who
Speaker 6: are saying, yeah, there was a billion dollars for Gaza
Speaker 6: in this aid package, but seventeen billion dollars for weapons
Speaker 6: for Israel, and I got a problem with it. You
Speaker 6: can certainly make sure that we are conscious and conscientious
Speaker 6: about what's coming out of our mouths, but let us
Speaker 6: remember that we need to be standing on the right
Speaker 6: side of history. Where would you have stood with the
Speaker 6: Vietnam War protests? Where would you have stood and to
Speaker 6: sit in with Rosa Parks or the folks who came
Speaker 6: before her, who preceded her.
Speaker 4: Where would you.
Speaker 6: Have stood when affirmative action was on the ballot in
Speaker 6: my home state in Washington?
Speaker 4: Where would you have stood? Or would you have just
Speaker 4: looked and said, that's a shame.
Speaker 6: And the truth is, the real shame are those of
Speaker 6: us who aren't courageous enough to say something then, because
Speaker 6: we're worried that our pockets would be impacted, or we're
Speaker 6: worried that we'll lose an elected office, or we'reried worried
Speaker 6: that we'll lose friends that ain't your friends anyway. If
Speaker 6: they don't allow you the space to tell the truth
Speaker 6: and to ask some tough questions, you are not safe.
Speaker 6: And none of us are safe as long as we
Speaker 6: continue to turn a blind eye to this remarkable crisis.
Speaker 7: I take you.
Speaker 3: I got a question for you. Well, I mean, so
Speaker 3: you've been on the journalism side of this, and I've
Speaker 3: been baffled by the conflation of protests equaling anti Semitic, yes,
Speaker 3: and targeted or offended being reserved for only one group
Speaker 3: of people. Can you help us understand why is it
Speaker 3: so hard for the for the for the for the media,
Speaker 3: for the press, and and and I say this with
Speaker 3: only very few journalists, mostly written, mostly writers who are
Speaker 3: going on campuses and actually talking to people, understanding what
Speaker 3: folks are saying, why it's so hard to in telling
Speaker 3: the story, tell the whole thing?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well, number one, see, people include more than just Jewish people.
Speaker 1: So when you say anti Semitic, that can really apply
Speaker 1: to multiple groups of ethnic people, including Muslims. But the
Speaker 1: way the media has kind of framed this for the
Speaker 1: last few decades, it has been specific to Jewish people.
Speaker 1: And I want to be clear, I'm not covering any
Speaker 1: of these protests that haven't been on the ground, so
Speaker 1: you know, I'm bearing witness like you guys are, I think,
Speaker 1: And I also just want to give a quick shout
Speaker 1: out to Sarah Snyder, who did an amazing interview this
Speaker 1: week on CNN with Palestinian student, because you don't see
Speaker 1: a lot of those voices. And I would say, Andrew,
Speaker 1: it's because of the same reasons why it was a
Speaker 1: controversial statement to say black lives matter. It was so
Speaker 1: often what we consider to be right or moral, even
Speaker 1: in newsrooms, what we consider to be ethical or unbiased
Speaker 1: is centered on what is white and what is male,
Speaker 1: because those were disproportionately the decision makers. And even when
Speaker 1: you have people of color wise through the ranks, they
Speaker 1: still carry that same water because that was their training,
Speaker 1: and we lose I think a part of our intellectual
Speaker 1: curiosity about these things, just for the journalism lens of this.
Speaker 1: Yes Hamas attacked Israel or Israeli's killing about twelve hundred people,
Speaker 1: taking around two hundred fifty people hostages, a horrible thing
Speaker 1: to happen. In response, the IDs ordered by Netan Yahoo
Speaker 1: have killed over thirty four thousand people, most of whom
Speaker 1: are women and children. When we say that, it almost
Speaker 1: sounds like what doesn't matter if you kill men? All
Speaker 1: of these lives matter, And I want to I appreciate
Speaker 1: what your point. Angela because a lot of these things
Speaker 1: are comprehensible in the macro and not the micro. You
Speaker 1: tell me thirty four thousand people died, and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh guy, that's terrible. You tell me the story of
Speaker 1: one little girl who has play dates in an ocean
Speaker 1: and who's urinating on herself uncontrollably because she's traumatized, and
Speaker 1: that is a different story to tell, and we don't
Speaker 1: see that on a lot of US media. I think
Speaker 1: Al Jazeera has done solid work in covering this, and
Speaker 1: you guys will remember twenty years ago Al Jazeera was like,
Speaker 1: we can't watch Al Jazeera and you know, they're like
Speaker 1: a terrorist news outlet, and it's just not true. It's
Speaker 1: been proven to be untrue. I do want to say
Speaker 1: that these protests have cast a wide net of influence
Speaker 1: across the globe. It is not just students in the US,
Speaker 1: but students everywhere across the Middle East and globally are
Speaker 1: joining with protesters in solidarity, from Kuwait to Lebanon to
Speaker 1: Egypt and even at the Sorbonne in Paris, Italy, Britain, Canada,
Speaker 1: and they say that they were directly inspired by US students.
Speaker 1: So for any students listening to us. We hear you,
Speaker 1: we see you, and you have sparked a global movement
Speaker 1: and shifted a policy posture that the United States has had.
Speaker 1: And I think these voices on the ground are rising up.
Speaker 1: I want you guys to hear from some of the
Speaker 1: people directly. Take a listen. This is sound that Angela
Speaker 1: actually dropped in our group chat from two Palestinians expressing
Speaker 1: their gratitude for people acknowledging their humanity.
Speaker 5: Take a listen. It gives us a glimpse of hope.
Speaker 5: Is that to be worth alone?
Speaker 3: And that goes for the efforts made by the students
Speaker 3: of the universities in America.
Speaker 2: We all lost everything, but we can't lose the hope
Speaker 2: because you're stunk by us.
Speaker 10: Thank you.
Speaker 1: It's unimaginable what they're facing, and we are not wrong
Speaker 1: for acknowledging their humanity and calling for an immediate ceasefire.
Speaker 1: But these students also want divestment from Israel, which is
Speaker 1: why I brought up apartheid. That you know, in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety there were talks and how to end apartheid in
Speaker 1: South Africa and this I'm telling you to me these
Speaker 1: there are some people might say it's a false equivalency,
Speaker 1: but it certainly I think there are some parallels there.
Speaker 3: You know, listening to those two young women, I feel
Speaker 3: some type of way about it because the folks who
Speaker 3: carried out the massacre in Israel are not the same
Speaker 3: people who we see on the screen. They're saying thank
Speaker 3: you for seeing our humanity Hamas carried out and executed
Speaker 3: a terrorist attack and retribution for that we've seen almost
Speaker 3: in a universal attack, almost distinguishing not between civilian and
Speaker 3: military and terrorists. Everybody's being looped together. And this was
Speaker 3: part of what why was was getting at, Why the
Speaker 3: hell is this so hard to see the difference. I
Speaker 3: was gonna say the nuance, but it's not even a nuance.
Speaker 3: You have people who carry out an attack, those who
Speaker 3: are victim of the attack, and then you have innocent men, women,
Speaker 3: children who just because of where they are forced to live,
Speaker 3: no choice, forced to live that they are right now
Speaker 3: the largest community of people who sit at the most
Speaker 3: devastating level of impact of this thing, And I just
Speaker 3: for those who are covering it, who are writing about it,
Speaker 3: can we please start to make the difference between these
Speaker 3: the roles in which these folks are playing so that
Speaker 3: we don't cast everybody by the same in the same
Speaker 3: that upsetting.
Speaker 5: But yes, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I definitely don't want to make like college graduations are
Speaker 1: just as important as people's lives. I mean, one is
Speaker 1: clearly more important. People's humanity and their lives are important.
Speaker 1: But I'm just curious to hear from you guys. Should
Speaker 1: these schools proceed with their graduation ceremonies.
Speaker 3: I hope so, I mean absolutely, I hope.
Speaker 10: So.
Speaker 3: I gave the example of a speaker who I didn't
Speaker 3: want at my graduation, I wouldn't an advocate for canceling
Speaker 3: the damn thing. I was an advocate for showing out
Speaker 3: against that speaker, but walking across the stage and celebrating
Speaker 3: my achievement with my peers. Honestly, I do feel for
Speaker 3: these students because, as you all know, these are the
Speaker 3: same students who did prom virtually and graduated virtually four
Speaker 3: years ago, and so many of them are now being
Speaker 3: hit with the same thing because universities don't know what
Speaker 3: to do with First Amendment rights.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, and the thing is, like, I feel like this
Speaker 6: whole question about graduation really began with the cancelation of
Speaker 6: the USC valedictorian speech Asna.
Speaker 4: I don't want to say her last name, Tabisam, sorry
Speaker 4: if I said.
Speaker 6: It wrong, but you know, they canceled her speech and
Speaker 6: talked about security concerns and then they were like, throw
Speaker 6: the whole graduation away and now that's even on the table.
Speaker 6: Is just like trifling, Like I'm sorry, I understand that
Speaker 6: at public I mean at private schools, you don't necessarily
Speaker 6: have free speech. We talked about the last time, you
Speaker 6: have a code of conduct that generally supports free speech.
Speaker 4: And the right to.
Speaker 6: Assemble doesn't mean you have the right to occupy buildings
Speaker 6: and spaces and all of that.
Speaker 4: But that is a part of protests.
Speaker 6: Protest is designed to put something in your face and
Speaker 6: make you uncomfortable. That is the point. And if we
Speaker 6: can't see beyond that and realize that every time in
Speaker 6: history where you've had this outsized response and you brought
Speaker 6: in law enforcement and they look like the military trying
Speaker 6: to throw kids wherever, you know, starve them out, all
Speaker 6: of that. Number one, it looks like the thing they're protesting.
Speaker 6: Number two is it is a slap in the face
Speaker 6: for those of us who are still traumatized by what
Speaker 6: happened on Capitol Hill on January sixth, and that was
Speaker 6: not even your response to like an actual terrorist attack
Speaker 6: where somebody wipes shit on Nancy Pelosi's desk, you know,
Speaker 6: for lack of a better.
Speaker 4: Term, shit. You know, it's like, how this is mind
Speaker 4: blowing to me? It really is.
Speaker 6: And I'm not saying that every single one of these protesters,
Speaker 6: because we know that all of them are not students,
Speaker 6: but those who are standing in solidarity with the student protesters,
Speaker 6: I'm not saying all of them have done every single
Speaker 6: thing right. But what I am saying is they are
Speaker 6: probably at their wits end about how to break through,
Speaker 6: about what else can we say to you about how
Speaker 6: serious this is about Like why do we need to
Speaker 6: tell you about history?
Speaker 4: This is a place of higher learning.
Speaker 6: It's an ivy in some of these instances, not all
Speaker 6: the schools are. But you shouldn't know better than to
Speaker 6: have history repeating itself. Meet us halfway ensuring that people
Speaker 6: have equitable access to education in all spaces. If you're
Speaker 6: going to do something in Tel Aviv and sure the
Speaker 6: Palestinian people can also attend, that's a part of the protest.
Speaker 6: Like they're saying we're watching all of this happen. You're
Speaker 6: receiving resources from here like this is a problem and
Speaker 6: we should not be so held to a resource elected officials,
Speaker 6: institutions of higher learning that we won't do the right thing.
Speaker 6: And right now, these young people can afford to do
Speaker 6: the right thing because they ain't got bills to pay yet,
Speaker 6: right some of them, and some of them like yo
Speaker 6: with that, And I admire their courage to just ask why.
Speaker 6: Some of it is just a why. Some of it
Speaker 6: has just explained it to me.
Speaker 1: Well, a follow up to that for you or Andrew,
Speaker 1: whoever wants to answer, One what impact do we think
Speaker 1: this will have on the election in November? And two
Speaker 1: do we think that these protests is having any impact
Speaker 1: on our foreign policy? The fact is not lost on me,
Speaker 1: Angela that you point out the seventeen billion dollars that
Speaker 1: we have allocated to real who's likely using that money
Speaker 1: to fund the IDF for the assault that we've seen
Speaker 1: on Gaza. So what is the final impact of all
Speaker 1: these protests? What's going to be the tangible result?
Speaker 3: I fear, honestly, if I'm being real truthful here, I
Speaker 3: think Republicans are creating a foil and a straw man
Speaker 3: argument that Biden and the Democrats are going to want
Speaker 3: to run away from the lawlessness, the chaos, the crime.
Speaker 3: You heard Donald Trump during this interview define what the statistics,
Speaker 3: what the numbers, what the actual reality is, which is
Speaker 3: violent crime going down everywhere across America, and him saying,
Speaker 3: I don't believe it, full facts, fake news, right, they
Speaker 3: are going to create. I think the straw man argument
Speaker 3: that if you elect Democrats, what you get is protests, chaos, disrespect,
Speaker 3: occupying of buildings, lawless business, increased crime. And I think
Speaker 3: the way in which Democrats will answer will be to
Speaker 3: shroud themselves in safety, security rhetoric, and quite frankly, have
Speaker 3: little to no impact on what US foreign policy will
Speaker 3: look like. Joe Biden, on one hand, stood up and said,
Speaker 3: never again, don't do this. Recalibrate your your your war
Speaker 3: approach so that civilians are not you know, impacted the
Speaker 3: way that they are today. And then two weeks later,
Speaker 3: Gung Host signing a bill sending weapons arms created manufactured
Speaker 3: right here in the United States of America. You know,
Speaker 3: center cross that are that are extracting and exacting the
Speaker 3: same harm that he just decried.
Speaker 5: Well, what did you think about that, Angela? And what
Speaker 5: Andrew said?
Speaker 4: I was, well, what I was going to ready to
Speaker 4: tell you?
Speaker 6: I wanted to look this up because I was like,
Speaker 6: how is the aid kind of divvied up in Israel?
Speaker 6: So on this on this point, but slightly tangential going
Speaker 6: back to the original question, United States. This is from
Speaker 6: the Council on Foreign Relations. The United States provided Israel
Speaker 6: considerable economic assistance from nineteen seventy one to two thousand
Speaker 6: and seven, but nearly all USA today goes to support
Speaker 6: Israel's military. The United States has provisionally agreed to provide
Speaker 6: Israel with nearly four billion dollars a year through twenty
Speaker 6: twenty eight, and of course that does not include the
Speaker 6: supplementary funding for what's happening with jimas right.
Speaker 1: So what do you think that? First of all, that's frightening,
Speaker 1: But what do you think this means for November?
Speaker 4: Tif?
Speaker 6: You know, I was trying to avoid this question answering
Speaker 6: it because I just honestly, I'm scared because for the
Speaker 6: Palestinian people, there's not a win with either candidate, Like,
Speaker 6: there's not a win.
Speaker 4: It can get worse, it can get considerably worse.
Speaker 6: Right, Like Donald Trump doesn't care like he's he did,
Speaker 6: did some of the things to agitate Hamas to even
Speaker 6: go here right in October. We know all of the
Speaker 6: things he was doing in his administration, with Jared Kushner,
Speaker 6: with Stephen Miller, with you know, putting up an embassy
Speaker 6: in Jerusalem to make a statement. We know what he's done.
Speaker 6: He is only going to make it worse. And then
Speaker 6: what I think is interesting is he's saying in this
Speaker 6: time interview that we've referenced already a few times. In
Speaker 6: the Time interview, he's basically kind of hinting at the
Speaker 6: fact that he's mad at Bebee but Biban Yahoo.
Speaker 4: But he he.
Speaker 6: Plays both sides well, we've seen him do us since Charlottsville,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean literally, Like there's good people
Speaker 6: on both sides, but we know his intention is going
Speaker 6: to be to support Israel by any necessarily.
Speaker 5: It probably sides.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was very clear he does not support
Speaker 1: a two state solution anymore, which is I don't know
Speaker 1: how that could even you know, that's not both sides well.
Speaker 6: And it's not both sides on that, But I'm saying,
Speaker 6: like him being like kind of hinting at oh, like, well,
Speaker 6: I'm mad at Yahoo, so maybe I wouldn't work with
Speaker 6: him like that.
Speaker 4: That's what I mean very specifically.
Speaker 1: About honestly only saying that Angela because the people of
Speaker 1: Israel are not happy with net Yahoo. So I think
Speaker 1: he is like hedging his bets that, Hey, people of Israel,
Speaker 1: I'm still with you. I'm the president who's done the
Speaker 1: most for Israel, which is not true, right exactly, so
Speaker 1: he can still.
Speaker 6: But it could look like to some like you know,
Speaker 6: really well meaning only seasilver lining student young people since
Speaker 6: we were talking about young people. Oh, he doesn't fill
Speaker 6: with net Yahoo at all, so maybe we'll have a
Speaker 6: better run with him.
Speaker 4: That is not the case.
Speaker 6: I don't forget what he did when he was elected
Speaker 6: in twenty sixteen. He has by far had the most
Speaker 6: conservative policies, completely alienating the Palestinian people. This is still
Speaker 6: the man behind the Muslim band, right, Hey, let's be
Speaker 6: very clear about.
Speaker 3: That first time.
Speaker 6: So he's first, Yeah, this is this is not don't
Speaker 6: be please, don't be confused, Please don't be deceived, like this.
Speaker 4: Is absolutely the same guy.
Speaker 1: Well, I think what is also in Bolden completely and
Speaker 1: What is also more frightening, This president will take us
Speaker 1: to a war.
Speaker 5: I mean he said that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has said that, you know, if Iran gets involved,
Speaker 1: then yeah, he hasn't ruled out that we will go
Speaker 1: on war. Well, you can argue Iran is already involved.
Speaker 1: So again, well already what this means foreign policy?
Speaker 5: Heartbreak Andrew. But you go ahead and then after that.
Speaker 3: Break Just to your point bbing at in Yahoo, the
Speaker 3: reason why he has taken the tact that he has
Speaker 3: is because he believes that there's popularity in war. If
Speaker 3: you are standing for us against everybody else, then you're
Speaker 3: our guy. And I mean, I mean the fear of
Speaker 3: the terrible part of this is that these folks are
Speaker 3: willing to use our bodies, our lives, as as as
Speaker 3: bargaining shits for political positioning to win, to be popular.
Speaker 1: And wartime president's benefit because it does it. It has
Speaker 1: an impact on the economy, right, it benefits the economy
Speaker 1: in some ways, but it is detrimental to people and
Speaker 1: the highest ethnic group I believe this is the case
Speaker 1: a few years ago. I'll fact check myself, but the
Speaker 1: highest group of ethnic group that joins our armed services
Speaker 1: are black women which is something that we also don't
Speaker 1: talk a lot about. So we've literally saved this country
Speaker 1: numerous times. All right, we got to take a quick break.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Coming on the other side of this, we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about why Georgia is on my mind, should be
Speaker 1: on all of our.
Speaker 5: So stay tuned.
Speaker 3: Georgia.
Speaker 6: Ooh, go ahead, Andre said, they said Mississippi Goddamn maybe
Speaker 6: should be Georgia.
Speaker 1: Dang, I love you know, that's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: Nina Simone songs, Mississippi Goddamn and I we literally still
Speaker 1: feel that way. But honestly, all throughout the Bible Belt. Uh.
Speaker 1: Angela and I were on the phone earlier this week
Speaker 1: talking about just like the Black Battleground because everybody always says, oh,
Speaker 1: the souths is read, and it's like the South is
Speaker 1: read until it ain't. Like there are pockets that we
Speaker 1: can influence. And speaking of that, Georgia is one of
Speaker 1: those pockets. You know, Georgia is now officially a battle
Speaker 1: ground state, so whatever happens there actually has big influence,
Speaker 1: which is why when the GOP controlled Georgia state legislature
Speaker 1: passed a wide ranging election measure, we should all pay
Speaker 1: attention and be a bit concern in my opinion. In
Speaker 1: this new bill, any political party or political body could
Speaker 1: qualify for the presidential ballot if they or it has
Speaker 1: already gained access to the ballot in at least twenty
Speaker 1: states or territories. So you guys think about this in
Speaker 1: terms of RFK and what that might mean for him
Speaker 1: under the law homeless people, well the proposed law, because
Speaker 1: it hasn't been signed by the governor yet, homeless people
Speaker 1: must also redo their voter registrations. Previously registered voters without
Speaker 1: permanent addresses. If registered it like shelters or like government offices,
Speaker 1: well no more. The bill also includes provisions that would
Speaker 1: make it easier for some of these amateur right wing
Speaker 1: voter fraud hunters to successfully challenge voter registrations. You guys
Speaker 1: remember when that bill passed in twenty twenty one and
Speaker 1: they were overwhelmed with these ridiculous, bogus challenges. Well they've
Speaker 1: made the path easier for that now.
Speaker 3: These things include committing the crimes.
Speaker 1: Exactly, Thank you, Andrew, because I what a great time
Speaker 1: to remind people y'all's favored white man president called election officials.
Speaker 1: They are asking to please find eleven thousand votes, but
Speaker 1: they stay on some Let's find the cheaters when they're
Speaker 1: the cheaters. The call it's coming from inside the house.
Speaker 1: But these these the presumption includes the presumption that the
Speaker 1: voter has died, or has registered to vote in a
Speaker 1: different jurisdiction, or registered at a non residential address. So
Speaker 1: I you know, I guess I put this question to you, guys,
Speaker 1: I don't know what this means. And since George is
Speaker 1: a battleground state, but more importantly, what can we do
Speaker 1: about it?
Speaker 5: Like how do we combat these things?
Speaker 1: Governor Kemp, an expert in voter suppression, by the way,
Speaker 1: has until Madant to sign the bill. But even if
Speaker 1: he doesn't sign it, if he just the only way
Speaker 1: it won't become law is if he vetos it.
Speaker 5: I don't see that happening.
Speaker 3: I mean, haven't they They've done everything but take the
Speaker 3: right to vote away in the state of true. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's only because it's it's an amendment in the
Speaker 3: Constitution of the United States of America. They'd have to
Speaker 3: amend the Constitution. But they've they've they've done everything short
Speaker 3: of completely take away our votes. But but they're not
Speaker 3: the only ones, y'all. They these things keep popping up
Speaker 3: and state of the similar legislation in mind, similar legislation
Speaker 3: all across the black Belt. The intention is one thousand
Speaker 3: percent clear, right, And I guess I mean all all
Speaker 3: I can say is we have to continue to persevere.
Speaker 3: They're never going to make this easy. No one is
Speaker 3: going to save us, but us is. And so I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's not me throwing in the towel. It's simply saying,
Speaker 3: if they could, if they can put the roadblock up
Speaker 3: expected because what Sean was talking about planning the detour.
Speaker 1: Sewn who sent in the question, I'm glad you said
Speaker 1: it's not you throwing in the towel.
Speaker 4: Andrew like you.
Speaker 1: You're saying, like planned for the detour. And I gotta say,
Speaker 1: it is hard to overstate the significance of the black
Speaker 1: vote in Georgia for them. From two thousand to twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: the number of eligible voters in Georgia increased by nearly
Speaker 1: two million people, with black people making up nearly half
Speaker 1: that number. That's according to Pew Research, and Georgia is
Speaker 1: one of six battleground states expected to determine the outcome
Speaker 1: of this election. Angela, you always have like a strong
Speaker 1: like this is what y'all gotta do in Georgia. I
Speaker 1: know you gave Sean some words of encouragement. I'm just
Speaker 1: curious what can we say to the voters of Georgia
Speaker 1: at large facing this.
Speaker 6: You know, I think it goes back right back to
Speaker 6: where we were just talking about around movement building, you know.
Speaker 4: Like this stuff is.
Speaker 6: It's not popular, but it's necessary. I was feeling discouraged
Speaker 6: too again. Part of the reason why I picked up
Speaker 6: the Julian Bond book because I'm like, how far back
Speaker 6: are we gonna go?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 6: Why are we going backwards like this? But we have
Speaker 6: to remember there's always a retraction after progress, and so
Speaker 6: you cannot give up hope. We'd have every right to fight.
Speaker 6: We have every right to be here, We have every
Speaker 6: right and have always had every right to vote.
Speaker 4: So let's not give it up so easy. I also
Speaker 4: want to.
Speaker 6: Shout out our dear sister and our brother Cliff, Latasha
Speaker 6: and Cliff for doing the work in Black voters Matter
Speaker 6: and making the ballot box so much more accessible for
Speaker 6: our people to win. We all vote for making it
Speaker 6: a national issue that was detached largely from race for
Speaker 6: the Brennan Center, who make sure that we're educated on
Speaker 6: these issues writ large, and for all of our civil
Speaker 6: rights orgs who make sure that we're informed and we're
Speaker 6: doing the work and so on. When we need to,
Speaker 6: maybe we have some more lawsuits, so they on their
Speaker 6: heels like we've been on our heels on all of
Speaker 6: our rights. But I really would just say, just keep going,
Speaker 6: keep fighting. You know, you deserve to drink water and
Speaker 6: have a snack at the vote at the voting place,
Speaker 6: but you're you're going to be challenged, and I think
Speaker 6: that's a part of it. And just remember that somebody
Speaker 6: did it for us. Let me break out. This is
Speaker 6: a good time to break out. Harriet, where's my Harriet?
Speaker 6: Hold on, hold on, hold Michael. There she go, Oh,
Speaker 6: there she go. There's Harriet. So anytime you.
Speaker 1: Get Harriet Tubmand, this is where you need to pay
Speaker 1: attention to Michael Harry.
Speaker 4: You cannot have Mike.
Speaker 6: I love Michael, Harriet, but he is not around my neck.
Speaker 6: This is Harriet Tubman. Shout out to black a f
Speaker 6: history too, so you understand the retractions we're talking about.
Speaker 4: Michael Harry. We'll talk about that in the book.
Speaker 6: But this is important anytime you get tired, remember that
Speaker 6: there were folks who toiled and went down roads where
Speaker 6: there was no path, so that it would make our
Speaker 6: path that much easier.
Speaker 4: So certainly we can fight to protect our body.
Speaker 5: I love that. I think about that.
Speaker 1: What right do we have have to be tired considering
Speaker 1: what our what our ancestry went through.
Speaker 4: Well we got it right, we do.
Speaker 1: But I went up myself and get up and keep
Speaker 1: working a nap when myself I feel tired, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what right do you tivity?
Speaker 4: I believe it in that ministry?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Andrew, you were going to say something before I
Speaker 5: move us home.
Speaker 6: No, it better be it better be on topic too,
Speaker 6: because I don't know what you're doing over there.
Speaker 3: To my Michael, No, I thought about this poem that
Speaker 3: I had committed to memory so many years ago. Don't
Speaker 3: see it through, don't quit?
Speaker 4: Oh sorry?
Speaker 3: And it talks about success is failure turned inside out,
Speaker 3: the silver tint of the closet, doubt it's it's it's
Speaker 3: when things seem worse that you mustn't quit. Was a
Speaker 3: line that came to me when you were saying, you know,
Speaker 3: Angela talked about you know, with with the evolution of time.
Speaker 3: We make, you know, gigantic steps forward, but then there
Speaker 3: feels like this whole God leave. You know, we can't,
Speaker 3: we can't. We can't win for losing, right, the retraction
Speaker 3: starts and oftentimes it really is sort of like the
Speaker 3: last stand. Yeah, and it's when things seem and feel
Speaker 3: worse worse that we mustn't quit. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 3: Don't quit.
Speaker 5: I love that. Okay, we're moving on to basketball.
Speaker 1: And before you get all excited, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: give you my opinion on the NBA finals or playoffs yet.
Speaker 1: We'll get into that in a second. But this is
Speaker 1: what we This is our segment. Politics are everywhere, and
Speaker 1: politics are even in where and how you watch these games.
Speaker 1: The companies holding the rights to show NBA games, that's Disney,
Speaker 1: which owns ESPN and ABC, and Warner Brothers Discovery, the
Speaker 1: parent company of TNT. They are collectively paying the league
Speaker 1: twenty four billion dollars over nine years for that privilege.
Speaker 1: But guys, their contracts expire after next season, and the
Speaker 1: NBA they set their eyes on to more and double
Speaker 1: the money it receives, so they're looking at like in
Speaker 1: the fifty billion dollar range to air their games.
Speaker 5: Take a look.
Speaker 1: But the reason why it's really interesting because sports never
Speaker 1: like you never hear like, oh, the NBA is down
Speaker 1: in profit by billions of dollars. People watch the NFL,
Speaker 1: they watch the NBA. Take a listen to NBA Commissioner
Speaker 1: Adam Silver on his predictions and thoughts around as they
Speaker 1: negotiate their next round of TV contracts.
Speaker 5: Take a listen.
Speaker 8: There's so much competition these days in media. I mean,
Speaker 8: just think of what's going on at TNT in terms
Speaker 8: of changes in cable, what's happening at CNN, and everything's
Speaker 8: moving digitally. So as we're looking out the next decade,
Speaker 8: we got to think about how we're going to produce
Speaker 8: and present our games in a way where they're going
Speaker 8: to be easily accessible. Because look, a lot of people
Speaker 8: you must talk to fans all the time and don't
Speaker 8: get cable, and they feast on social media, and our
Speaker 8: players are incredibly popular there, but it's not a substitute
Speaker 8: for watching live games. And the thing that really excites me,
Speaker 8: there's been a lot of talk about games and essence
Speaker 8: being and poured it over to digital platforms, and you
Speaker 8: saw it with NFL, with NBC in Peacock. Amazon has
Speaker 8: games now too, but in essence there's still the same games.
Speaker 8: It's the same feet of the game. What's really exciting
Speaker 8: to me as you move to these digital platforms, it
Speaker 8: creates opportunities to do things unimaginable before in traditional television.
Speaker 8: I mean, frankly, for people who do want to bet
Speaker 8: and you talk about that, you can do that. If
Speaker 8: you want nothing to do with that, that's fine. For
Speaker 8: people who want to buy the shoes the players are
Speaker 8: wearing that the jerseys are wearing. Who people want to
Speaker 8: be part of a larger community. For people who want
Speaker 8: different languages, different dialects, for people who want to listen
Speaker 8: to commentary from Charles not just during the break but
Speaker 8: throughout the game, or people want Mike Breen to be
Speaker 8: doing play by play, or just to hear a group
Speaker 8: of people who are just fans having fun watching the game.
Speaker 8: So I think production is going to change dramatically over
Speaker 8: the next several years. And the other part about our
Speaker 8: game being global, I mean, even now, seventy five percent
Speaker 8: of our viewership comes from outside the United States.
Speaker 1: Who knew I did not know that that many people
Speaker 1: outside the United States even about NBA Africa. But I
Speaker 1: this is like kind of a microcosm for like the
Speaker 1: business at large and like how people are consuming sports.
Speaker 1: I find it so interesting. And I also want to
Speaker 1: say that I predicted that the seventy six ers Nick
Speaker 1: game would go into overtime. I predicted it in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter when it was not a lot of time
Speaker 1: less and I'm like, they're gonna tie because I'm going
Speaker 1: to overtime, am I?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 1: I mean, she couldn't have bet that myself. I told
Speaker 1: myself would have been too little.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 4: I was saud of you.
Speaker 1: I was thinking it and then it happened and nobody
Speaker 1: was around for me to tell. But I should have
Speaker 1: dropped it in the group chat, just so y'all knew.
Speaker 3: I literally thought, think about me winning a lot of reasons.
Speaker 6: Okay, can she bet on it sooner?
Speaker 10: Though?
Speaker 1: Can be do y'all Do y'all have anything on that
Speaker 1: or do y'all have a team that y'all want to
Speaker 1: tell you gonna think you're gonna win? Whatever y'all want
Speaker 1: to talk about. I just like talk about sports.
Speaker 3: There's there's not a lot of sectors that are growing,
Speaker 3: Like yeah, I mean you heard the comer say, doubling. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: And and we haven't he talked about the percentage of
Speaker 3: global viewers. We haven't even begun to scratch the surface
Speaker 3: of it, right. I just hope, I just hope that
Speaker 3: the global expansion creates opportunity for both the men's and
Speaker 3: the women's side. Already, women are going, you know, to
Speaker 3: China and abroad and get you know, making four times
Speaker 3: what they might make here in the States. But you know,
Speaker 3: let let this wild, rapid, incredible growth, both on expansion
Speaker 3: into other markets, but also in production quality, and investment,
Speaker 3: and and and and women's games. Let it, let it,
Speaker 3: Let it be across the board. That's all I gotta say.
Speaker 6: I you know, one of the things that I think
Speaker 6: is interesting about this is there is kind of a
Speaker 6: bidding war that's happening, and T and T could very
Speaker 6: well lose their rights to NBC Universal Comcast comcasts that
Speaker 6: they're willing to pay right around where Disney is willing
Speaker 6: to pay. And so what I would put on the
Speaker 6: table it just in case the NBA listens to us
Speaker 6: for stress, who you're gonna go with, like obviously you should,
Speaker 6: I would ensure just like the NFL has a Ruiney
Speaker 6: rule that they don't do so well at enforcing, but
Speaker 6: ensure that there's that kind of a process in place.
Speaker 6: What are the what are the do the executives at
Speaker 6: these companies look like the players on the floor? Do
Speaker 6: the do the do the contractors they work with look
Speaker 6: like the players on the floor? Are the commentators who
Speaker 6: are talking about these games in between the breaks, at halftime,
Speaker 6: you know, the pregame, the post game.
Speaker 4: Who do they look like? Do they have experience with
Speaker 4: the NBA?
Speaker 6: Are you ensuring that there are w NBA players and
Speaker 6: former players also at that table, ensuring that any ads
Speaker 6: that those companies bring to the table are doing business
Speaker 6: with w n B A and NBA players. Is there
Speaker 6: something that you can get them to do to throw
Speaker 6: the U NBA a bone. Y'all are partners in this mission,
Speaker 6: and right now the women about to take you over.
Speaker 4: Tip. I got my seats to this season opener.
Speaker 6: By the way, I want to go. You go Seattle
Speaker 6: Storm March. Sorry, that's not March anymore. Seattle Storm May fourteenth.
Speaker 6: They are playing the Minnesota Links. I'm making sure that
Speaker 6: that is the fifteenth, Like, yeah.
Speaker 5: Grant, we're gonna be somewhere.
Speaker 4: Are we gonna be in my own May fourteen?
Speaker 1: Oh you're right, Okay, we go. We all stay tuned anyway.
Speaker 5: I love everything you said.
Speaker 6: I don't even know where I was going, but my
Speaker 6: point was make it blacker and then maybe the NBA
Speaker 6: will consider Adam Silver.
Speaker 4: I'm speaking for you, so you need to run me
Speaker 4: a check or signing.
Speaker 5: I love all your point.
Speaker 1: Good concern producer, Nick, can you dub like Angelo's voice
Speaker 1: over my face?
Speaker 5: I wanted to look I was making those points.
Speaker 1: Because that was so good about like the commentator.
Speaker 5: I love how that.
Speaker 1: I seriously though, I didn't even think about that, Like,
Speaker 1: I was kind of looking at this from like a
Speaker 1: you know, broadcast perspective. But the social justice element of
Speaker 1: that I think is so important. The NFL is still
Speaker 1: the most.
Speaker 6: Well the equity. It's the equity tip more than social justice.
Speaker 6: Were not asking them to. I mean, it would be
Speaker 6: nice if they had a Black Lives Matter back drop,
Speaker 6: but we're just talking about.
Speaker 4: The people who know the game.
Speaker 6: The best should be your commentators, the people who are
Speaker 6: occupying the seats. You want folks who understand the league
Speaker 6: doing business with the league. That means it should look blacker. Yeah,
Speaker 6: how many of your players are black? That's so true.
Speaker 1: But even when you're talking about the people doing business,
Speaker 1: the contractor is the commentator, like all of that. I
Speaker 1: think it's so so tantamount to the credibility marketing. Yeah, yeah, employees,
Speaker 1: market contractors, commentator, all of it. I echo all of that.
Speaker 1: The NFL is still the most valuable sports league in
Speaker 1: the world, and they didn't quite double their fees. But
Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is about even these other
Speaker 1: businesses wanting to buy. We've seen massive layoffs at Disney
Speaker 1: across all divisions. You saw a Discovery One Brother's Ways
Speaker 1: of a ship ton of money on CNN Plus and
Speaker 1: all the things they're doing. So I want I'm curious
Speaker 1: how many people actually have the deep pockets to be
Speaker 1: a real player in this. I take your point about
Speaker 1: Peacock like they they may be a player, but they're
Speaker 1: streaming the other streaming services out there. Given the global audience.
Speaker 1: I wonder if Netflix will will get involved in this,
Speaker 1: And what does this mean.
Speaker 6: From Amazon is already they have a deal with Amazon
Speaker 6: that's worth a lot of money. So there's they're slated
Speaker 6: to make over seventy five billion. The NFL does, but
Speaker 6: does the NBA, NBA They're yeah, they're working on an
Speaker 6: Amazon deal too.
Speaker 1: I thought I just read I've read in the time.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a rumor. I didn't know that
Speaker 1: there was like confirmed.
Speaker 4: That they breaking up.
Speaker 5: But we don't know, we don't know.
Speaker 1: The streets are talking, the streets are saying sorts we
Speaker 1: have heard say so to say there may be some
Speaker 1: talk with Amazon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but here is an actual demographic number.
Speaker 6: Seventy more than seventy percent of the players in the
Speaker 6: NBA are black. We would like to see it in
Speaker 6: the ranks of any organization that comes to the tape
Speaker 6: wanting to stream or broadcast on linear.
Speaker 5: I love that.
Speaker 4: I love that me too.
Speaker 1: Well, that concludes my sports talk for money the show,
Speaker 1: and thank you for tuning in.
Speaker 5: But before we go, though, did you guys? Are you guys?
Speaker 1: Is there any team that you see winning the championship?
Speaker 4: Not the Lakers? They only won one of their series games.
Speaker 4: They're out.
Speaker 5: Lakers are out. Andrew, is there a team that you see?
Speaker 4: You don't You don't have one.
Speaker 3: I don't have a dog in it.
Speaker 1: No, Well, this is what Okay, I don't necessarily have
Speaker 1: a dog either, But you're supposed to say I want
Speaker 1: to see a good game.
Speaker 5: I am looking forward to seeing take a girl, I do.
Speaker 1: I was tried in president because she told me, if
Speaker 1: you don't have a kid, Angela. Angela told me because
Speaker 1: I was telling her. I was watching the seventy six
Speaker 1: ers nixt game and I was like, but I don't
Speaker 1: even care who wins. I just like, I want both teams.
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for both teams. And she said, no, don't
Speaker 1: say that, say that you want to see a good game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying now. I want to see
Speaker 1: a competitive game. Yeah, and my predictions coming to I'm.
Speaker 6: Gonna tell you one person that I've been remarkably impressed
Speaker 6: with this season already, and that or this this series
Speaker 6: already is Jalen Brunson, the New York Knicks.
Speaker 5: It's new to the shooter.
Speaker 1: He was hitting those three yests. He was shooting those
Speaker 1: three it was so every time. And the other little boy.
Speaker 6: He's gotten several Yes, yes, I'm gonna come back to
Speaker 6: that eventual. Tyre's Maxie, but Jalen Brunson has had multiple
Speaker 6: games over scoring over forty points. I want to shout
Speaker 6: him out, especially because they gave him hell when he
Speaker 6: was going to the Knicks where his dad works, and
Speaker 6: they were it was a huge thing, huge scandal. But
Speaker 6: this is by far a better fit. The MAVs are
Speaker 6: playing well, but it looks like he's found his home
Speaker 6: at the New York Knicks. So I'm enjoying watching him play.
Speaker 6: I'm enjoying these games.
Speaker 5: But I love that his dad work. So I only
Speaker 5: know that because I googled him last night and I
Speaker 5: saw his dad was a coach at the game.
Speaker 7: I was it.
Speaker 4: That's so sweet.
Speaker 1: And he got black mom, black daddy, like little family.
Speaker 1: They just look so cute as a unit. And they
Speaker 1: his parents met and at Saint John's, I think an
Speaker 1: undergrad and they've been together since did y'all and I
Speaker 1: know that, don't hate, don't hate, Okay, I'm gonna.
Speaker 4: Let me just I.
Speaker 6: Want to make sure we know what what is where
Speaker 6: his dad Actually, his dad used to play in the leagues.
Speaker 4: An assistant coach.
Speaker 6: Yeah no, I know that, but I was trying to
Speaker 6: get his exact title, assistant coach.
Speaker 4: I don't know why. I thought he was in the
Speaker 4: back office.
Speaker 1: And like this guy to his son's career. I just
Speaker 1: think it. So I like their little family unit. I
Speaker 1: love it, so shout out. Okay, well, you know what,
Speaker 1: because I like their family unit, I'm rooting for the Knicks.
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for the Knicks. That's what I just decided.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping they get Yeah, because you.
Speaker 5: And Spike Lee. He just reminded, Yes, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I sat next to a Spike at a game,
Speaker 1: at a next game, and he was every bit.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, he was every.
Speaker 6: You don't play now if you ask him some questions
Speaker 6: during the game, you might get cussed out.
Speaker 5: Listen, he was arguing with the players. He was going.
Speaker 1: He started, he was saying something of Van Fleet is
Speaker 1: that his name? But yeahah, then he was saying something
Speaker 1: to him. He is hilarious to sit next to. But
Speaker 1: you know the other thing, these kids, they look like
Speaker 1: big grown men and then when you look at them,
Speaker 1: are you just a little boy like they just like
Speaker 1: in their early twenties, you know.
Speaker 3: AnyWho, another news, roll Central Kitchen founder and chef Jose
Speaker 3: Andres has announced that they are going back to Gaza
Speaker 3: as you all know, the well the Central Kitchen, after
Speaker 3: three vehicles in their convoy. Yeah yeah, seven people, okay,
Speaker 3: three vehicles. Yeah, sorry, we're we're obliterated. So that's good news.
Speaker 1: And Angel really Central Kitchen incredible.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you for that update. Andrew.
Speaker 1: We're gonna and you close out our sports section with
Speaker 1: good news because you know, when I get to talking
Speaker 1: about sports, I can go on and on and on.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you stopped the conversation.
Speaker 3: Then yeah, I'll drip from your mouth.
Speaker 1: I just can't help myself. So we're going to take
Speaker 1: a quick ad break, but don't go anywhere, guys. When
Speaker 1: we come back, we have calls to action for you.
Speaker 1: You don't want to miss thee so stay tuned.
Speaker 5: We'll be right back.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 5: All right, welcome back everybody. We're going to be really quick.
Speaker 1: We have three calls to action for you, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to let Andrew kick us off.
Speaker 3: So today marks the implementation or into effect, the six
Speaker 3: week Abortion Band and Florida, pushed by the Republicans. Almost
Speaker 3: half the women don't even know that they are pregnant
Speaker 3: at six weeks, and so this will have a huge
Speaker 3: effect on the state of Florida. But there is a
Speaker 3: constitutional amendment on the ballot in November. If you're not registered, y'all,
Speaker 3: please get registered. Tell somebody to get registered. That window
Speaker 3: closes thirty days out from the election.
Speaker 5: It thank you, Angela, what you got.
Speaker 6: My update is about Marilyn Moseby. I am hoping that
Speaker 6: you all saw Marylyn's interview with Joy Read. It is
Speaker 6: her first, it's an exclusive, and I hope that you
Speaker 6: will be inspired to sign the petition. We are just
Speaker 6: over nine thousand signatures and would love to see you
Speaker 6: all add yourselves and make sure that you add your
Speaker 6: friends and family. Please send it to them and make
Speaker 6: sure we get this pardon request on President Biden's radar.
Speaker 1: I love that, and I'll echo Angecles call to action
Speaker 1: and just say, whatever you're doing in your community, do something,
Speaker 1: do something this week that benefits the greater good. But before
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