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Speaker 2: Welcome Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome home to the Native Landing

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Speaker 2: on the podcast based that's it for greatness sixteen minutes.

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Speaker 2: It's so hit, not too long for the great ship,

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Speaker 2: high level combo politics in a way that you could

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Speaker 2: taste it then digest it. Politics touches you even if

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Speaker 3: So get invested.

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Speaker 2: Across the t's and doctor i's kill them back to

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Speaker 4: Yes, why didn't anybody tell me we were bringing glasses?

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Speaker 5: Welcome home y'all.

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Speaker 3: Dwayne, Wayne, Wayne, you got the.

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Speaker 5: Hyne Wayne glasses.

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Speaker 4: That is hilarry.

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Speaker 5: You know I used to load lan.

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Speaker 4: I don't have any glasses.

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Speaker 1: Well because the hip hop, you know. Anyway, I have

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Speaker 1: to be honest. Welcome home, y'all. First of all, this

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Speaker 1: is episode seventeen of Native Land Pod where we can

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Speaker 1: give it to you straight, no chaser. I we are

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Speaker 1: your hosts. Angela Is have fake glasses, but we are

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Speaker 1: your real hosts. I am Tiffany I'm just feeling you

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Speaker 1: for it, joined by Angela R. Who's feeling you for it,

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Speaker 1: which I'll get to. And Andrew, what's up, y'all? I

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Speaker 1: have to say, I love the glasses, Angela love your glasses.

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Speaker 5: I am feeling you for it.

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Speaker 1: And I don't even know where to start because I

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Speaker 1: just literally seconds ago just listened to Euphoria.

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Speaker 3: Guys.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, you are we taking the

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Speaker 5: glasses off?

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Speaker 3: We can, we can take him off now. But I

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Speaker 3: just want to give a shout out to a.

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Speaker 5: Different world and shout out dofferent.

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Speaker 3: Way around HBCUs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I love it, speaking.

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Speaker 3: To the plight of our brothers and sisters of the

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Speaker 3: hbc U campuses. Y'all have the reason I went to college.

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Speaker 5: But can I can?

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Speaker 1: I ask you, guys, because you you probably already listened.

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Speaker 1: Have y'all listened to Euphoria yet?

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Speaker 4: Of course several times?

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Speaker 1: Of course you did, of course you have. I'm still

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Speaker 1: bleeding out from it.

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Speaker 3: Andrew trying to read the lyrics there.

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Speaker 6: Oh oh, it's so perfect. Can I tell you my

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Speaker 6: favorite part? Tell me it's one little thing that I

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Speaker 6: haven't heard anybody talk about yet. Kendrick's diss is six

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Speaker 6: minutes and twenty three seconds. Yes, what is the nickname

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Speaker 6: for Toronto?

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Speaker 5: Is it Crody? Because I've been trying to figure out

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Speaker 5: the six.

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Speaker 6: No, Crody is what crips in Toronto call each other

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Speaker 6: instead of brody. Oh, he was in there when I

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Speaker 6: tell you he was in there, But I think he

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Speaker 6: made us six minutes because Toronto is the six. Oh,

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Speaker 6: the cleverness, the cleverness of it, the brilliance.

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Speaker 5: Welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 1: This week, I'm sure you've heard by now that the

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Speaker 1: judge overseeing the criminal justice trial with Donald Trump facing

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Speaker 1: thirty four accounts related to hush money, they call it

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Speaker 1: for the alleged affair between he and Stormy Daniels. He

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Speaker 1: was fined in that case nine thousand dollars for violating

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Speaker 1: the courts gag order. Nine thousand dollars. Yeah, but this

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Speaker 1: all happened on the heels of an interview he granted

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Speaker 1: Time Magazine and which he said a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: wild stuff. He declared that if an election was in November,

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Speaker 1: or when the election is in November, he would bypass

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Speaker 1: the law and deploy US military to detain and deport migrants.

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Speaker 5: If he's elected, He hedged.

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Speaker 1: On the possibility of more political violence if he's erected.

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Speaker 1: He was basically saying his elected victory is inevitable. He

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Speaker 1: would also permit states to decide whether to prosecute those

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Speaker 1: who violate abortion bands. I can't even stress how dangerous

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Speaker 1: that is. So for everyone thinking this election won't impact you,

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Speaker 1: the GOP front runner is threatening to use the US

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Speaker 1: military for his political agenda. We're going to be talking

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Speaker 1: about that all through the show today, so stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: But here's what else we're talking about on the show

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Speaker 1: this week. What Because we like to talk about things

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Speaker 1: that you didn't just hear on cable news, the things

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Speaker 1: talk about things that are not being discussed. So we're

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Speaker 1: going to start with this. But if I told you

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Speaker 1: that hundreds of people, mostly black men, were being killed

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Speaker 1: in the most painful and gruesome ways and the government

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Speaker 1: was in on it, Yeah, it's a true story. Stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I'm talking about. And guess who's hiring.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden police forces across the country. They

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Speaker 1: in four years. We'll get into why and what that

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Speaker 1: might mean, and right on target. We've already seen their

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Speaker 1: work across college campuses where professors and students alike are

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Speaker 1: being met with state sanctioned of violence.

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Speaker 5: It's ridiculous what we're saying.

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Speaker 1: We're going to dig into the continued unrest across college

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Speaker 1: campuses all over the country. I have a question I

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Speaker 1: want to ask my co host when we get into that.

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Speaker 1: Should these schools still hold graduation. We're going to see

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Speaker 1: what Ango and Angela think about that. And I've always

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Speaker 1: got Georgia on my mind. Shout out Today, the new

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Speaker 1: battleground state is yet again struggling with a new voter

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Speaker 1: suppression bill that could have dire consequences for the Biden

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Speaker 1: Harris administration. That's something you have not heard about in

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Speaker 1: the echo chambers. We're going to get into that. And finally, yes, everybody,

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Speaker 1: calm down. I know you want my thoughts on the NBA.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give them to you. But there is

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Speaker 1: more than just the games. The playoffs.

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Speaker 5: Excuse me off some playoffs.

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Speaker 1: The NBA playoffs and my predictions for the finals.

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Speaker 5: Thank you. I was given a teaser at what I

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Speaker 5: was actually going to talk.

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Speaker 3: About clean I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, We're going to talk about how you guys might

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Speaker 1: be watching these games in the future, so stay tuned

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Speaker 1: for that. And before we get into the show, I

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Speaker 1: just want to give you all a little bit of history.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening to this podcast, fresh off the presses

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Speaker 1: Thursday morning, thirteen years ago today, on May second, Osama

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Speaker 1: bin Laden was killed by Steal Team six, a group

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Speaker 1: of Navy seals. Twenty four years ago this week, South

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Speaker 1: Africa was miired and talks led by their newly elected

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Speaker 1: leader Nelson Mandela to end apartheid and a whopping five

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Speaker 1: hundred and thirty years ago this week, Christopher Columbus arrived

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Speaker 1: on the coast of Jamaica, set in the courts for

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Speaker 1: the Spaniards to slaughter the island's original inhabitants of peaceful

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Speaker 1: people known as the Arrowoks. Ain't nothing new under the sun, y'all.

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Speaker 1: All right now, now that we're throwing it back, let's

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Speaker 1: push it for it, Nick, take us down ninety five thousand,

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Speaker 1: drop that base.

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Speaker 5: All right, Well, I.

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Speaker 1: Mentioned the time interview that Donald Trump did. Did you

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Speaker 1: guys have anything on that?

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Speaker 6: We actually have a question about what would happen if

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Speaker 6: we get stuck with Donald Trump for former years.

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Speaker 4: AT's say, listen, hey Native Lampard.

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Speaker 7: My name is Sean, I'm twenty two years old and

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Speaker 7: I'm from Atlanta, Georgia. I was just wondering if you

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Speaker 7: guys had any advice, any tips, any suggestions, like literally

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Speaker 7: anything about how we the people are going to deal

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Speaker 7: with the next four years. We are probably sadly going

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Speaker 7: to have Trump as the president, and we could potentially

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Speaker 7: have a Republican House and Republican Senate, and because of that,

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Speaker 7: these projects twenty twenty five policies will be passed that

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Speaker 7: make or break our daily lives. So as these issues

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Speaker 7: to react or should react or should prepare ourselves for

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Speaker 7: the next four years of our lives? Any suggestions on

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Speaker 7: how the people are going or should survive?

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Speaker 4: Sean?

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Speaker 1: We were Sean shout out to the atl and stay

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Speaker 1: tuned Sean because were gonna talk about something coming out

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Speaker 1: of Georgia and later in the show.

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Speaker 5: But I need Sean to keep up hope. Did y'all

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Speaker 5: feel like he was.

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Speaker 8: That?

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Speaker 3: But my advice is do everything you can to prevent

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Speaker 5: Especially at a background.

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Speaker 3: Stay.

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Speaker 5: Come on, Sean, don't give up hope.

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Speaker 4: You know, I understand where he's at.

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Speaker 6: Though, when you look at what's happening and feeling like

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Speaker 6: the folks that we fought to get to the polls

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Speaker 6: for in a pandemic, a lot of folks who you know,

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Speaker 6: to information that we have, don't.

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Speaker 4: Really feel supported and hurt and fought for.

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Speaker 6: So my advice to Sean would be make some calls

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Speaker 6: to the White House and let folks know where you

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Speaker 6: need to see them, how you need to see them.

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Speaker 6: Kamala Harris is doing an economic tour right now that

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Speaker 6: is incredible. She's been stumping for a reproductive justice. We

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Speaker 6: and fighting. We also talked about some things on this

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Speaker 6: If we know that our ideas are being heard and

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Speaker 6: happening with the marijuana pardons are changing it from a

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Speaker 6: scheduled one drug. You know what I'm trying say, reclassified

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Speaker 6: it's not recreational, but it's still major. And so how

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Speaker 6: can we, yeah, how can we lift up some of

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Speaker 6: filled and hopeful. And I mean with Sean, but I understand, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I want to make sure I understand.

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Speaker 1: Vice President Harris. I know, Angela, you mentioned the whole

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Speaker 1: Mama Wad thing. If you guys can stay after, we

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Speaker 1: should do a mini pod on that. If you guys

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna make time. I'm gonna reclaim my time on

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Speaker 5: One thing that frustrates me.

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Speaker 1: I have to tell you guys, the echo chambers cover

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Speaker 1: two or three things a day, and there's so much

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Speaker 1: more happening. And this is something that happened that I've

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Speaker 1: referenced on the show that I want to just tell

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Speaker 1: people about the hundreds of black men being killed in

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Speaker 1: the most heinous of ways. In an analysis of more

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Speaker 1: for the past forty two years. A new study shows

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Speaker 1: that states made significantly more mistakes during the execution of

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Speaker 1: black people than they did with prisoners of any other races.

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Speaker 1: I want you all to take a listen to what

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Speaker 1: happened when these botched executions take place, and remember this

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Speaker 1: disproportionately impacts Black men.

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Speaker 5: Take a listen.

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Speaker 9: To keep the prisoner from feeling any pain, executioners would

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Speaker 9: administer three drugs. First, they would inject something to knock

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Speaker 9: some sort of paralytic meant to cease all movement in

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Speaker 9: usually potassium chloride. But here's something that shocked us while

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Speaker 9: researching this piece. The man responsible for coming up with

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Speaker 9: a three drug cocktail. He says he acted on a hunch.

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Speaker 5: So take a listen and we'll talk about it. On

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Speaker 10: A horribly tremendous experience over the last few years where

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Speaker 10: Right now, the police are the only ones here to

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Speaker 1: So this is I think what we're seeing a lot

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Speaker 3: The fact that we could name the cases in which

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Speaker 6: is what Donald Trump is saying that he wants to do.

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Speaker 6: So for me, that makes me really nervous. Like we've

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Speaker 6: seen no matter who's in office, no matter who is

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Speaker 6: the president. Police officers who are rogue, who only protect

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Speaker 6: and serve some and shoot to kill others. And what

446
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Speaker 6: he's saying is I want to make it so that

447
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Speaker 6: they are not prosecuted. In some ways, they would say

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Speaker 6: dog whistle. I think that as many times as they say,

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump says the quiet part out loud. The fact

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Speaker 6: that there was ever a quiet part, right, and the

451
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Speaker 6: fact that you can now articulate it verbally is the

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Speaker 6: whole problem.

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Speaker 4: This should have never been the quiet part.

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Speaker 6: The quiet part should have always been challenged, and by

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Speaker 6: virtue of the fact that now he's not only saying

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Speaker 6: it loud, he's doing it loud. His actions are loud.

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Speaker 6: He is rogue, and he wants officers to be rogue.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what that means for this country. I

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Speaker 6: am not trying to be gloom and doom, but I

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Speaker 6: want people to know what's really at stake, and this

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Speaker 6: is severe and it's all in print on time.

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Speaker 1: It's hard not to be doom and gloom when you

463
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Speaker 1: read that the picture he paints in in this interview.

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Speaker 1: I thought the interviewer did a great job because he

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Speaker 1: was fact checking him in real time, and he said,

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Speaker 1: but mister President, violent crime has gone down, you know,

467
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Speaker 1: and this is a time of risking police swell their ranks.

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Speaker 1: And he's saying this is according to law enforcement, many

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Speaker 1: of whom support you, and Donald Trump says, Nope, I

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Speaker 1: don't believe it. That's not true. Another thing I think

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Speaker 1: we have to do that is from the FBI and

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Speaker 1: not the local and a lot of his supporters, by

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Speaker 1: the way, support abolishing the FBI if it is law

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Speaker 1: and order. President, by the way, But I you know

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Speaker 1: another thing that I think this may be a mini

476
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Speaker 1: pod because we also have to think about the future

477
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Speaker 1: of policing, right and how so as these agencies are

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Speaker 1: hiring more law or enforcement officers I was reading I

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Speaker 1: think from Reiters, they were saying how they're also spending

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Speaker 1: money on like more body cameras, which I think is good,

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Speaker 1: but also license plate readers, drones, thermal imaging, shot spotters,

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Speaker 1: investigative technologies, video surveillance, facial recognition technology. And when we

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Speaker 1: think about that in the ways that we are disproportionately

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Speaker 1: harmed by law enforcement, I mean, we're to me again,

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Speaker 1: I hear you, Angela. We don't want to be dooming gloom,

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Speaker 1: But we could be looking at a dystopian society, a

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Speaker 1: police state. We're people police have to your point, no

488
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Speaker 1: accountability and a president who also has no accountability. So

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Speaker 1: what does that mean for a peaceful transition of power?

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Speaker 1: What does that mean for a peaceful protest that happened?

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Speaker 1: What does that mean for people minding their own business

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Speaker 1: walking down the street, and like stopping frisk policies could

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Speaker 1: could re emerge. So it's it is frightening, It is

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Speaker 1: doom and gloom to me.

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Speaker 3: Well, I tell you the first of all, we we're

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Speaker 3: we're not unfamiliar with what it is to live in

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Speaker 3: a society where law enforcement gets to act without accountability

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Speaker 3: from its very beginning, by and large, you know, back

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Speaker 3: in you know, during the Western expansion toward California, you know,

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Speaker 3: you'd put you shaffs would put a badge on uh,

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Speaker 3: their their sibling or a friend so that they could

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Speaker 3: lawfully kill uh an enemy of theirs. Right, And so

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Speaker 3: it's not unfamiliar that this is this is where Trump

504
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Speaker 3: wants to take us back to where and more accountability

505
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Speaker 3: is attempting to be had for people in power who

506
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Speaker 3: have gone unchecked law enforcement being at the epicenter of that.

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Speaker 3: These folks are saying, hey, how do we get how

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Speaker 3: do we get to go out and do our job

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Speaker 3: when we got people pulling out cameras all the time.

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Speaker 3: You ever see these law enforcement folks who say put

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Speaker 3: away the phone, put down the phone. These are passer buyers.

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Speaker 3: Right in Eric Garner's case, we saw a similar situation.

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Speaker 3: Law enforcement turned their anger toward pedestrians, saying, put down

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Speaker 3: the phone, put down the phone. They don't want accountability.

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Speaker 3: And now what this man is attempting to do is

516
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Speaker 3: to introduce the lawful killing of civilians, to reintroduce the

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Speaker 3: lawful killing of civilians with again without any accountability whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: And then finally on this Tiff and Angela, do y'all

519
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Speaker 3: remember the good old days when people across political ideologies,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about the need for the de escalation of

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Speaker 3: law enforcement, the need to reform police departments so that

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Speaker 3: they weren't just you know, gun carriers, but that you

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Speaker 3: had folks who did civil patrol and traffic, You had

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Speaker 3: folks who were homeless and social workers, and that whole.

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Speaker 5: Complex. I giving the police force military equipment.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look what we're going back to Yeah, well,

527
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Speaker 3: look at now what what he wants to throw back to,

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Speaker 3: But look at what.

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Speaker 1: We're seeing right now on these college campuses. I think

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Speaker 1: it will. I want to get into that because it

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Speaker 1: is hard to not address what has happened this week.

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Speaker 1: I do want to get into that because we the

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Speaker 1: violence that we have seen take place across these college

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Speaker 1: campuses has been just unimaginable, quite frankly, So we're going

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Speaker 1: to take a quick break. Pay some bills, but don't

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Speaker 1: go anywhere, because the three of us are going to

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Speaker 1: dive into some of the horrific scenes that we've all.

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Speaker 5: Bore witness to this week. So stay right there, We'll

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Speaker 5: be right back.

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Speaker 2: You have been born to York University in.

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Speaker 7: The Plaza. Now you will be arrested for trust use.

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Speaker 3: As the New York City.

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Speaker 7: You have.

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Speaker 1: From Loyola University in New Orleans to the University of

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Speaker 1: New Mexico to u c LA to Northwestern and Washington U.

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Speaker 1: Encampments have popped up on more than three dozen campuses

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Speaker 1: across this country, and the ubiquitous coverage of students and

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Speaker 1: faculty calling for a ceasefire and a divestment in Israel

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Speaker 1: shows support erupting across the nation and quite frankly across

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Speaker 1: the globe, which we'll get into when we talk about it.

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Speaker 1: But I'm curious to hear from you guys, what does

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Speaker 1: this mean one for upcoming graduations, which I know pales

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Speaker 1: in comparison when we're talking about the level of violence

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Speaker 1: and people who are still being killed in Gaza. But

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Speaker 1: also you know the role of municipalities and how we

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Speaker 1: think they're handling it. But most importantly, I'm curious are

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Speaker 1: these protests having any impacts on US foreign policy? So, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to start with you here because you know,

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Speaker 1: you don't think about these things until they happen. But

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Speaker 1: looking at the way these municipalities has handled it like

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Speaker 1: it is up to the mayor to call the police

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Speaker 1: or not, which I did not realize, and mayors have

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Speaker 1: been making that choice. You were mayor of Tallahassee. I'm

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Speaker 1: curious if should a protest like this had broken out

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Speaker 1: on the campus of FAM you, how might you have

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Speaker 1: handled it?

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't have to theorize FAM. You was often

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Speaker 3: having protests, not just FAM. You know, I was mayor

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Speaker 3: of Tallahassee, which has two state universities, and one City,

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Speaker 3: Florida and university Florida State. I guess some balloons here

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Speaker 3: Florida State congratulation. Yes, and then and then Tallahassee Community

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Speaker 3: College which is now Tallasse.

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Speaker 4: University.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, tele Community College. So sixty almost ninety thousand students

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Speaker 3: right here in this area and protests is pretty pretty

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Speaker 3: regular and pretty rampant with the state capitol here. A

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Speaker 3: couple of things. One, typically, law enforcement of a municipality

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Speaker 3: does not enter into a university campus without being invited,

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Speaker 3: asked into, and onto a university campus. Most, at least

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Speaker 3: in our case, most campuses have their own campus based police.

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Speaker 3: That's true here, and it's it's true at Columbia, it's

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Speaker 3: true at many of the other institutions. So the university

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Speaker 3: really takes the lion's share the responsibility of shaping the

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Speaker 3: response to students who are trying to trying to try

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Speaker 3: to protest. I've heard people say in the last couple

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Speaker 3: of days, you know, these protes has have gone too far.

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Speaker 3: They have now gone and sat in and taken over buildings. Well,

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Speaker 3: we took over buildings, we took over president's offices, we

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Speaker 3: took over student union complexes in order to get into

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Speaker 3: attention and to create an inconvenience. That was the point.

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Speaker 3: If we went and sat under a tree that nobody

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Speaker 3: ever saw, what real impact might we have. So it's

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Speaker 3: a it really is annoying to me to hear people say,

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Speaker 3: you know, you know, this was okay when they were

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Speaker 3: outside on the lawn and with their signs and making noise.

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Speaker 3: But when you go into a building, when you go

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Speaker 3: and sit in a president's office, you've crossed the line

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Speaker 3: that that defies any logic around civil civil rights movements

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Speaker 3: citting participation and protests. Woolworths weren't serving black folks in

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Speaker 3: the late nineteen fifties and early sixties. Right to go

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Speaker 3: into a Woolworth and sit at a counter that was

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Speaker 3: reserved for white folks was a provocation. And so with

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Speaker 3: the people who are right now criticizing folks for occupying,

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Speaker 3: for taking up space that you say is not theirs,

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Speaker 3: would you have the same opinion or did you have

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Speaker 3: the same opinion when we were watching the Woolworth counter

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Speaker 3: demonstrations and so on and so forth. What I would

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Speaker 3: say for anyone who is either on a college campus

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Speaker 3: or lives in a college community when it comes to

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Speaker 3: these kinds of protests. I would be very slow to

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Speaker 3: call in local law enforcement unless it is absolutely necessary,

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Speaker 3: and large part because local law enforcement oftentimes does not

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Speaker 3: deal exclusively with students. They deal with some of the

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Speaker 3: more hardened in our community, and not oftentimes protests. And

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Speaker 3: I think sometimes the need to show who is in charge,

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Speaker 3: I'm the authority here, has the intention of escalating a

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Speaker 3: situation and causing things to spiral out of control when

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Speaker 3: we think what we're doing is calling in safety and

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Speaker 3: keeping everyone safe, in fact is the direct opposite. That's

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Speaker 3: not always true with local law enforcement, but I will

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Speaker 3: tell you I've seen far too many occasions, too many

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Speaker 3: instances where we've gone from zero to one hundred almost

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Speaker 3: overnight by the presence of enhanced law enforcement, where they

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Speaker 3: come in with riot gear, warlike vehicles and so on

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Speaker 3: and so forth, and it just has no place on

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Speaker 3: a college campus in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: I want I'm curious your thoughts, Angela, because as of Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: more than twelve hundred people have been arrested.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, the first thing that I want to

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Speaker 6: say is I have been really watching this and watching

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Speaker 6: my rhetoric and trying to be mindful about how I'm

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Speaker 6: engaging around the protests. Is there something from the other

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Speaker 6: side that I'm missing? Is there a blind spot that

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Speaker 6: I have? I did an interview last week for a podcast,

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Speaker 6: and I was asked, if you know, if I thought

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Speaker 6: that some of the hate speech was okay, and I

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Speaker 6: was like, well, can you give me an example of

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Speaker 6: what you heard, you know, because.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I didn't hear it. I really want to know.

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Speaker 6: And I think that one I'm concerned when I see Congress,

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Speaker 6: you know, considering a bill that redefines anti Semitism, and

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Speaker 6: then part of me says, you know, I'm really interested

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Speaker 6: in what other movements, what other protected classes we can

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Speaker 6: include in some of this.

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Speaker 4: If we are true allies, as.

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Speaker 6: We've known the Jewish people to be from the Civil

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Speaker 6: rights movement, can we include in there protections for the

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Speaker 6: Palestinian people? Can we include in there protections for black lives?

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Speaker 6: Can we include in there protections for migrants? Can we

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Speaker 6: include in there right everybody who is who has been

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Speaker 6: hit hard on every side? Can we include them in

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Speaker 6: there to be protected? Shouldn't we all receive that same protection.

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Speaker 6: I'm all for expanding the Civil Rights Act because I

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Speaker 6: don't want it to go away. And if this means

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Speaker 6: we get to preserve it a little longer, by all

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Speaker 6: means let's include who needs to be included. But also

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Speaker 6: because I was so just feeling like the weight of

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Speaker 6: what was happening in the civil rights movement, I picked

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Speaker 6: up Julian Bond's Time to Teach, which our dear brother

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Speaker 6: Van Newkirk wrote that afterward for and I read it

661
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Speaker 6: a long time ago, and I was like, let me

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Speaker 6: pick this back up. Van, as you all know as

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Speaker 6: a brilliant, brilliant writer, and yes he's at the Atlanta

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Speaker 6: but he wrote that afterward in this book, and in

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Speaker 6: what Van was saying, he talked about sowing seeds of doom,

666
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Speaker 6: or using the seeds for a paradigm shift. And I

667
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Speaker 6: think that that's what this moment can offer us, because

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Speaker 6: one of the lessons that Julian Bond gives in this

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Speaker 6: book is that movements at the time are never popular. Popular,

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Speaker 6: They don't like, they don't take off because there's viral

671
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Speaker 6: and widespread support. They take off because they're necessary because

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Speaker 6: somewhere someone had a conscience. I want us to sit

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Speaker 6: with that, like, if we can put our humanity first,

674
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Speaker 6: how do we show up? You know, if we can

675
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Speaker 6: lay aside the labels just for a moment, how do

676
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Speaker 6: we show up. There are kids now who are going

677
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Speaker 6: to go into a very hot summer without running water,

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Speaker 6: who are taking baths at hoses with buckets in Gaza,

679
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Speaker 6: who are going to cool off in the ocean, and

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Speaker 6: those are play days for them, and those are the

681
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Speaker 6: only moments of fun that they're having. But there are

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Speaker 6: also people like a young woman who I read about yesterday,

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Speaker 6: who has been so traumatized. She's a teenager and she's

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Speaker 6: urinating on herself uncontrollably. Like, this is not the kind

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Speaker 6: of thing that we can turn a blind eye to

686
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Speaker 6: and say because you looked at me wrong, because you

687
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Speaker 6: said the wrong thing, because you did the wrong thing.

688
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Speaker 6: Because you're not speaking up and naming every single hostage,

689
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Speaker 6: like you're naming the number or numbering the amount of

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Speaker 6: people who died in Gaza. I can't even hear the

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Speaker 6: morality of what you're saying. It's fine to humanize the

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Speaker 6: other side. The folks who are focused on the large

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Speaker 6: numbers of people who are being hit. The folks who

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Speaker 6: are saying, yeah, there was a billion dollars for Gaza

695
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Speaker 6: in this aid package, but seventeen billion dollars for weapons

696
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Speaker 6: for Israel, and I got a problem with it. You

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Speaker 6: can certainly make sure that we are conscious and conscientious

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Speaker 6: about what's coming out of our mouths, but let us

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Speaker 6: remember that we need to be standing on the right

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Speaker 6: side of history. Where would you have stood with the

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Speaker 6: Vietnam War protests? Where would you have stood and to

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Speaker 6: sit in with Rosa Parks or the folks who came

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Speaker 6: before her, who preceded her.

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Speaker 4: Where would you.

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Speaker 6: Have stood when affirmative action was on the ballot in

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Speaker 6: my home state in Washington?

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Speaker 4: Where would you have stood? Or would you have just

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Speaker 4: looked and said, that's a shame.

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Speaker 6: And the truth is, the real shame are those of

710
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Speaker 6: us who aren't courageous enough to say something then, because

711
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Speaker 6: we're worried that our pockets would be impacted, or we're

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Speaker 6: worried that we'll lose an elected office, or we'reried worried

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Speaker 6: that we'll lose friends that ain't your friends anyway. If

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Speaker 6: they don't allow you the space to tell the truth

715
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Speaker 6: and to ask some tough questions, you are not safe.

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Speaker 6: And none of us are safe as long as we

717
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Speaker 6: continue to turn a blind eye to this remarkable crisis.

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Speaker 7: I take you.

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Speaker 3: I got a question for you. Well, I mean, so

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Speaker 3: you've been on the journalism side of this, and I've

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Speaker 3: been baffled by the conflation of protests equaling anti Semitic, yes,

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Speaker 3: and targeted or offended being reserved for only one group

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Speaker 3: of people. Can you help us understand why is it

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Speaker 3: so hard for the for the for the for the media,

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Speaker 3: for the press, and and and I say this with

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Speaker 3: only very few journalists, mostly written, mostly writers who are

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Speaker 3: going on campuses and actually talking to people, understanding what

728
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Speaker 3: folks are saying, why it's so hard to in telling

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Speaker 3: the story, tell the whole thing?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well, number one, see, people include more than just Jewish people.

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Speaker 1: So when you say anti Semitic, that can really apply

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Speaker 1: to multiple groups of ethnic people, including Muslims. But the

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Speaker 1: way the media has kind of framed this for the

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Speaker 1: last few decades, it has been specific to Jewish people.

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Speaker 1: And I want to be clear, I'm not covering any

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Speaker 1: of these protests that haven't been on the ground, so

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm bearing witness like you guys are, I think,

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Speaker 1: And I also just want to give a quick shout

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Speaker 1: out to Sarah Snyder, who did an amazing interview this

741
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Speaker 1: week on CNN with Palestinian student, because you don't see

742
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Speaker 1: a lot of those voices. And I would say, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: it's because of the same reasons why it was a

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Speaker 1: controversial statement to say black lives matter. It was so

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Speaker 1: often what we consider to be right or moral, even

746
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Speaker 1: in newsrooms, what we consider to be ethical or unbiased

747
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Speaker 1: is centered on what is white and what is male,

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Speaker 1: because those were disproportionately the decision makers. And even when

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Speaker 1: you have people of color wise through the ranks, they

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Speaker 1: still carry that same water because that was their training,

751
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Speaker 1: and we lose I think a part of our intellectual

752
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Speaker 1: curiosity about these things, just for the journalism lens of this.

753
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Speaker 1: Yes Hamas attacked Israel or Israeli's killing about twelve hundred people,

754
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Speaker 1: taking around two hundred fifty people hostages, a horrible thing

755
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Speaker 1: to happen. In response, the IDs ordered by Netan Yahoo

756
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Speaker 1: have killed over thirty four thousand people, most of whom

757
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Speaker 1: are women and children. When we say that, it almost

758
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Speaker 1: sounds like what doesn't matter if you kill men? All

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Speaker 1: of these lives matter, And I want to I appreciate

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Speaker 1: what your point. Angela because a lot of these things

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Speaker 1: are comprehensible in the macro and not the micro. You

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Speaker 1: tell me thirty four thousand people died, and it's like,

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Speaker 1: oh guy, that's terrible. You tell me the story of

764
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Speaker 1: one little girl who has play dates in an ocean

765
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Speaker 1: and who's urinating on herself uncontrollably because she's traumatized, and

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Speaker 1: that is a different story to tell, and we don't

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Speaker 1: see that on a lot of US media. I think

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Speaker 1: Al Jazeera has done solid work in covering this, and

769
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Speaker 1: you guys will remember twenty years ago Al Jazeera was like,

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Speaker 1: we can't watch Al Jazeera and you know, they're like

771
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Speaker 1: a terrorist news outlet, and it's just not true. It's

772
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Speaker 1: been proven to be untrue. I do want to say

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Speaker 1: that these protests have cast a wide net of influence

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Speaker 1: across the globe. It is not just students in the US,

775
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Speaker 1: but students everywhere across the Middle East and globally are

776
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Speaker 1: joining with protesters in solidarity, from Kuwait to Lebanon to

777
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Speaker 1: Egypt and even at the Sorbonne in Paris, Italy, Britain, Canada,

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Speaker 1: and they say that they were directly inspired by US students.

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Speaker 1: So for any students listening to us. We hear you,

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Speaker 1: we see you, and you have sparked a global movement

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Speaker 1: and shifted a policy posture that the United States has had.

782
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Speaker 1: And I think these voices on the ground are rising up.

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Speaker 1: I want you guys to hear from some of the

784
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Speaker 1: people directly. Take a listen. This is sound that Angela

785
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Speaker 1: actually dropped in our group chat from two Palestinians expressing

786
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Speaker 1: their gratitude for people acknowledging their humanity.

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Speaker 5: Take a listen. It gives us a glimpse of hope.

788
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Speaker 5: Is that to be worth alone?

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Speaker 3: And that goes for the efforts made by the students

790
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Speaker 3: of the universities in America.

791
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Speaker 2: We all lost everything, but we can't lose the hope

792
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Speaker 2: because you're stunk by us.

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Speaker 10: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: It's unimaginable what they're facing, and we are not wrong

795
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Speaker 1: for acknowledging their humanity and calling for an immediate ceasefire.

796
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Speaker 1: But these students also want divestment from Israel, which is

797
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Speaker 1: why I brought up apartheid. That you know, in nineteen

798
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Speaker 1: ninety there were talks and how to end apartheid in

799
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Speaker 1: South Africa and this I'm telling you to me these

800
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Speaker 1: there are some people might say it's a false equivalency,

801
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Speaker 1: but it certainly I think there are some parallels there.

802
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Speaker 3: You know, listening to those two young women, I feel

803
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Speaker 3: some type of way about it because the folks who

804
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Speaker 3: carried out the massacre in Israel are not the same

805
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Speaker 3: people who we see on the screen. They're saying thank

806
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Speaker 3: you for seeing our humanity Hamas carried out and executed

807
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: a terrorist attack and retribution for that we've seen almost

808
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Speaker 3: in a universal attack, almost distinguishing not between civilian and

809
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Speaker 3: military and terrorists. Everybody's being looped together. And this was

810
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Speaker 3: part of what why was was getting at, Why the

811
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Speaker 3: hell is this so hard to see the difference. I

812
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Speaker 3: was gonna say the nuance, but it's not even a nuance.

813
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Speaker 3: You have people who carry out an attack, those who

814
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Speaker 3: are victim of the attack, and then you have innocent men, women,

815
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Speaker 3: children who just because of where they are forced to live,

816
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Speaker 3: no choice, forced to live that they are right now

817
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Speaker 3: the largest community of people who sit at the most

818
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Speaker 3: devastating level of impact of this thing, And I just

819
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Speaker 3: for those who are covering it, who are writing about it,

820
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Speaker 3: can we please start to make the difference between these

821
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Speaker 3: the roles in which these folks are playing so that

822
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Speaker 3: we don't cast everybody by the same in the same

823
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Speaker 3: that upsetting.

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Speaker 5: But yes, and I don't.

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Speaker 1: I definitely don't want to make like college graduations are

826
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Speaker 1: just as important as people's lives. I mean, one is

827
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Speaker 1: clearly more important. People's humanity and their lives are important.

828
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Speaker 1: But I'm just curious to hear from you guys. Should

829
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Speaker 1: these schools proceed with their graduation ceremonies.

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Speaker 3: I hope so, I mean absolutely, I hope.

831
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Speaker 10: So.

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Speaker 3: I gave the example of a speaker who I didn't

833
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Speaker 3: want at my graduation, I wouldn't an advocate for canceling

834
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Speaker 3: the damn thing. I was an advocate for showing out

835
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Speaker 3: against that speaker, but walking across the stage and celebrating

836
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Speaker 3: my achievement with my peers. Honestly, I do feel for

837
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Speaker 3: these students because, as you all know, these are the

838
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Speaker 3: same students who did prom virtually and graduated virtually four

839
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Speaker 3: years ago, and so many of them are now being

840
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Speaker 3: hit with the same thing because universities don't know what

841
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Speaker 3: to do with First Amendment rights.

842
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

843
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Speaker 6: Well, and the thing is, like, I feel like this

844
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Speaker 6: whole question about graduation really began with the cancelation of

845
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Speaker 6: the USC valedictorian speech Asna.

846
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Speaker 4: I don't want to say her last name, Tabisam, sorry

847
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Speaker 4: if I said.

848
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Speaker 6: It wrong, but you know, they canceled her speech and

849
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 6: talked about security concerns and then they were like, throw

850
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Speaker 6: the whole graduation away and now that's even on the table.

851
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Speaker 6: Is just like trifling, Like I'm sorry, I understand that

852
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Speaker 6: at public I mean at private schools, you don't necessarily

853
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Speaker 6: have free speech. We talked about the last time, you

854
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 6: have a code of conduct that generally supports free speech.

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Speaker 4: And the right to.

856
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Speaker 6: Assemble doesn't mean you have the right to occupy buildings

857
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Speaker 6: and spaces and all of that.

858
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Speaker 4: But that is a part of protests.

859
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Speaker 6: Protest is designed to put something in your face and

860
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Speaker 6: make you uncomfortable. That is the point. And if we

861
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Speaker 6: can't see beyond that and realize that every time in

862
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Speaker 6: history where you've had this outsized response and you brought

863
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 6: in law enforcement and they look like the military trying

864
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Speaker 6: to throw kids wherever, you know, starve them out, all

865
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Speaker 6: of that. Number one, it looks like the thing they're protesting.

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Speaker 6: Number two is it is a slap in the face

867
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Speaker 6: for those of us who are still traumatized by what

868
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Speaker 6: happened on Capitol Hill on January sixth, and that was

869
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Speaker 6: not even your response to like an actual terrorist attack

870
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Speaker 6: where somebody wipes shit on Nancy Pelosi's desk, you know,

871
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Speaker 6: for lack of a better.

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Speaker 4: Term, shit. You know, it's like, how this is mind

873
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Speaker 4: blowing to me? It really is.

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Speaker 6: And I'm not saying that every single one of these protesters,

875
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Speaker 6: because we know that all of them are not students,

876
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Speaker 6: but those who are standing in solidarity with the student protesters,

877
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Speaker 6: I'm not saying all of them have done every single

878
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 6: thing right. But what I am saying is they are

879
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 6: probably at their wits end about how to break through,

880
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 6: about what else can we say to you about how

881
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 6: serious this is about Like why do we need to

882
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 6: tell you about history?

883
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 4: This is a place of higher learning.

884
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 6: It's an ivy in some of these instances, not all

885
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 6: the schools are. But you shouldn't know better than to

886
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 6: have history repeating itself. Meet us halfway ensuring that people

887
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 6: have equitable access to education in all spaces. If you're

888
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 6: going to do something in Tel Aviv and sure the

889
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 6: Palestinian people can also attend, that's a part of the protest.

890
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 6: Like they're saying we're watching all of this happen. You're

891
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,240
Speaker 6: receiving resources from here like this is a problem and

892
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 6: we should not be so held to a resource elected officials,

893
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 6: institutions of higher learning that we won't do the right thing.

894
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 6: And right now, these young people can afford to do

895
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 6: the right thing because they ain't got bills to pay yet,

896
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 6: right some of them, and some of them like yo

897
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 6: with that, And I admire their courage to just ask why.

898
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 6: Some of it is just a why. Some of it

899
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 6: has just explained it to me.

900
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: Well, a follow up to that for you or Andrew,

901
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: whoever wants to answer, One what impact do we think

902
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: this will have on the election in November? And two

903
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: do we think that these protests is having any impact

904
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: on our foreign policy? The fact is not lost on me,

905
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: Angela that you point out the seventeen billion dollars that

906
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: we have allocated to real who's likely using that money

907
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: to fund the IDF for the assault that we've seen

908
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: on Gaza. So what is the final impact of all

909
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: these protests? What's going to be the tangible result?

910
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: I fear, honestly, if I'm being real truthful here, I

911
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 3: think Republicans are creating a foil and a straw man

912
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 3: argument that Biden and the Democrats are going to want

913
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 3: to run away from the lawlessness, the chaos, the crime.

914
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 3: You heard Donald Trump during this interview define what the statistics,

915
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 3: what the numbers, what the actual reality is, which is

916
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 3: violent crime going down everywhere across America, and him saying,

917
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 3: I don't believe it, full facts, fake news, right, they

918
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 3: are going to create. I think the straw man argument

919
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 3: that if you elect Democrats, what you get is protests, chaos, disrespect,

920
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 3: occupying of buildings, lawless business, increased crime. And I think

921
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 3: the way in which Democrats will answer will be to

922
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 3: shroud themselves in safety, security rhetoric, and quite frankly, have

923
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 3: little to no impact on what US foreign policy will

924
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Speaker 3: look like. Joe Biden, on one hand, stood up and said,

925
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Speaker 3: never again, don't do this. Recalibrate your your your war

926
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Speaker 3: approach so that civilians are not you know, impacted the

927
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Speaker 3: way that they are today. And then two weeks later,

928
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Speaker 3: Gung Host signing a bill sending weapons arms created manufactured

929
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Speaker 3: right here in the United States of America. You know,

930
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 3: center cross that are that are extracting and exacting the

931
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Speaker 3: same harm that he just decried.

932
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Speaker 5: Well, what did you think about that, Angela? And what

933
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 5: Andrew said?

934
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Speaker 4: I was, well, what I was going to ready to

935
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Speaker 4: tell you?

936
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 6: I wanted to look this up because I was like,

937
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 6: how is the aid kind of divvied up in Israel?

938
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Speaker 6: So on this on this point, but slightly tangential going

939
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Speaker 6: back to the original question, United States. This is from

940
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Speaker 6: the Council on Foreign Relations. The United States provided Israel

941
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Speaker 6: considerable economic assistance from nineteen seventy one to two thousand

942
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 6: and seven, but nearly all USA today goes to support

943
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 6: Israel's military. The United States has provisionally agreed to provide

944
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Speaker 6: Israel with nearly four billion dollars a year through twenty

945
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Speaker 6: twenty eight, and of course that does not include the

946
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 6: supplementary funding for what's happening with jimas right.

947
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: So what do you think that? First of all, that's frightening,

948
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: But what do you think this means for November?

949
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 4: Tif?

950
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 6: You know, I was trying to avoid this question answering

951
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 6: it because I just honestly, I'm scared because for the

952
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 6: Palestinian people, there's not a win with either candidate, Like,

953
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 6: there's not a win.

954
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 4: It can get worse, it can get considerably worse.

955
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 6: Right, Like Donald Trump doesn't care like he's he did,

956
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 6: did some of the things to agitate Hamas to even

957
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 6: go here right in October. We know all of the

958
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 6: things he was doing in his administration, with Jared Kushner,

959
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 6: with Stephen Miller, with you know, putting up an embassy

960
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 6: in Jerusalem to make a statement. We know what he's done.

961
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 6: He is only going to make it worse. And then

962
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 6: what I think is interesting is he's saying in this

963
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 6: time interview that we've referenced already a few times. In

964
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 6: the Time interview, he's basically kind of hinting at the

965
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 6: fact that he's mad at Bebee but Biban Yahoo.

966
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 4: But he he.

967
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 6: Plays both sides well, we've seen him do us since Charlottsville,

968
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 6: you know what I mean literally, Like there's good people

969
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 6: on both sides, but we know his intention is going

970
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 6: to be to support Israel by any necessarily.

971
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 5: It probably sides.

972
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he was very clear he does not support

973
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: a two state solution anymore, which is I don't know

974
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: how that could even you know, that's not both sides well.

975
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 6: And it's not both sides on that, But I'm saying,

976
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 6: like him being like kind of hinting at oh, like, well,

977
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 6: I'm mad at Yahoo, so maybe I wouldn't work with

978
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 6: him like that.

979
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 4: That's what I mean very specifically.

980
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: About honestly only saying that Angela because the people of

981
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: Israel are not happy with net Yahoo. So I think

982
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: he is like hedging his bets that, Hey, people of Israel,

983
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm still with you. I'm the president who's done the

984
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: most for Israel, which is not true, right exactly, so

985
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: he can still.

986
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 6: But it could look like to some like you know,

987
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 6: really well meaning only seasilver lining student young people since

988
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 6: we were talking about young people. Oh, he doesn't fill

989
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 6: with net Yahoo at all, so maybe we'll have a

990
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:31,959
Speaker 6: better run with him.

991
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 4: That is not the case.

992
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 6: I don't forget what he did when he was elected

993
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 6: in twenty sixteen. He has by far had the most

994
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 6: conservative policies, completely alienating the Palestinian people. This is still

995
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 6: the man behind the Muslim band, right, Hey, let's be

996
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 6: very clear about.

997
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:48,879
Speaker 3: That first time.

998
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 6: So he's first, Yeah, this is this is not don't

999
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 6: be please, don't be confused, Please don't be deceived, like this.

1000
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 4: Is absolutely the same guy.

1001
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: Well, I think what is also in Bolden completely and

1002
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: What is also more frightening, This president will take us

1003
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: to a war.

1004
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 5: I mean he said that too.

1005
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has said that, you know, if Iran gets involved,

1006
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 1: then yeah, he hasn't ruled out that we will go

1007
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: on war. Well, you can argue Iran is already involved.

1008
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: So again, well already what this means foreign policy?

1009
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 5: Heartbreak Andrew. But you go ahead and then after that.

1010
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 3: Break Just to your point bbing at in Yahoo, the

1011
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 3: reason why he has taken the tact that he has

1012
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 3: is because he believes that there's popularity in war. If

1013
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 3: you are standing for us against everybody else, then you're

1014
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 3: our guy. And I mean, I mean the fear of

1015
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 3: the terrible part of this is that these folks are

1016
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 3: willing to use our bodies, our lives, as as as

1017
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 3: bargaining shits for political positioning to win, to be popular.

1018
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: And wartime president's benefit because it does it. It has

1019
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: an impact on the economy, right, it benefits the economy

1020
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: in some ways, but it is detrimental to people and

1021
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: the highest ethnic group I believe this is the case

1022
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: a few years ago. I'll fact check myself, but the

1023
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 1: highest group of ethnic group that joins our armed services

1024
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: are black women which is something that we also don't

1025
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: talk a lot about. So we've literally saved this country

1026
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: numerous times. All right, we got to take a quick break.

1027
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 3: Uh.

1028
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: Coming on the other side of this, we're going to

1029
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: talk about why Georgia is on my mind, should be

1030
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: on all of our.

1031
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 5: So stay tuned.

1032
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 3: Georgia.

1033
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 6: Ooh, go ahead, Andre said, they said Mississippi Goddamn maybe

1034
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 6: should be Georgia.

1035
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: Dang, I love you know, that's one of my favorite

1036
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,479
Speaker 1: Nina Simone songs, Mississippi Goddamn and I we literally still

1037
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: feel that way. But honestly, all throughout the Bible Belt. Uh.

1038
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: Angela and I were on the phone earlier this week

1039
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: talking about just like the Black Battleground because everybody always says, oh,

1040
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: the souths is read, and it's like the South is

1041
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: read until it ain't. Like there are pockets that we

1042
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: can influence. And speaking of that, Georgia is one of

1043
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: those pockets. You know, Georgia is now officially a battle

1044
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: ground state, so whatever happens there actually has big influence,

1045
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: which is why when the GOP controlled Georgia state legislature

1046
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: passed a wide ranging election measure, we should all pay

1047
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: attention and be a bit concern in my opinion. In

1048
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 1: this new bill, any political party or political body could

1049
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 1: qualify for the presidential ballot if they or it has

1050
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: already gained access to the ballot in at least twenty

1051
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: states or territories. So you guys think about this in

1052
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: terms of RFK and what that might mean for him

1053
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: under the law homeless people, well the proposed law, because

1054
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: it hasn't been signed by the governor yet, homeless people

1055
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: must also redo their voter registrations. Previously registered voters without

1056
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: permanent addresses. If registered it like shelters or like government offices,

1057
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: well no more. The bill also includes provisions that would

1058
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 1: make it easier for some of these amateur right wing

1059
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 1: voter fraud hunters to successfully challenge voter registrations. You guys

1060
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: remember when that bill passed in twenty twenty one and

1061
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: they were overwhelmed with these ridiculous, bogus challenges. Well they've

1062
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: made the path easier for that now.

1063
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 3: These things include committing the crimes.

1064
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: Exactly, Thank you, Andrew, because I what a great time

1065
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: to remind people y'all's favored white man president called election officials.

1066
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: They are asking to please find eleven thousand votes, but

1067
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: they stay on some Let's find the cheaters when they're

1068
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,439
Speaker 1: the cheaters. The call it's coming from inside the house.

1069
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: But these these the presumption includes the presumption that the

1070
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: voter has died, or has registered to vote in a

1071
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: different jurisdiction, or registered at a non residential address. So

1072
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: I you know, I guess I put this question to you, guys,

1073
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what this means. And since George is

1074
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: a battleground state, but more importantly, what can we do

1075
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: about it?

1076
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 5: Like how do we combat these things?

1077
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: Governor Kemp, an expert in voter suppression, by the way,

1078
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: has until Madant to sign the bill. But even if

1079
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: he doesn't sign it, if he just the only way

1080
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: it won't become law is if he vetos it.

1081
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 5: I don't see that happening.

1082
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 3: I mean, haven't they They've done everything but take the

1083
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 3: right to vote away in the state of true. Yeah,

1084
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 3: and that's only because it's it's an amendment in the

1085
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 3: Constitution of the United States of America. They'd have to

1086
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 3: amend the Constitution. But they've they've they've done everything short

1087
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 3: of completely take away our votes. But but they're not

1088
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 3: the only ones, y'all. They these things keep popping up

1089
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 3: and state of the similar legislation in mind, similar legislation

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Speaker 3: all across the black Belt. The intention is one thousand

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Speaker 3: percent clear, right, And I guess I mean all all

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Speaker 3: I can say is we have to continue to persevere.

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00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 3: They're never going to make this easy. No one is

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00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 3: going to save us, but us is. And so I mean,

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00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 3: it's it's not me throwing in the towel. It's simply saying,

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Speaker 3: if they could, if they can put the roadblock up

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00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 3: expected because what Sean was talking about planning the detour.

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Speaker 1: Sewn who sent in the question, I'm glad you said

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Speaker 1: it's not you throwing in the towel.

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Speaker 4: Andrew like you.

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00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: You're saying, like planned for the detour. And I gotta say,

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Speaker 1: it is hard to overstate the significance of the black

1103
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 1: vote in Georgia for them. From two thousand to twenty nineteen,

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00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: the number of eligible voters in Georgia increased by nearly

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00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: two million people, with black people making up nearly half

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Speaker 1: that number. That's according to Pew Research, and Georgia is

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00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: one of six battleground states expected to determine the outcome

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00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: of this election. Angela, you always have like a strong

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00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: like this is what y'all gotta do in Georgia. I

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00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: know you gave Sean some words of encouragement. I'm just

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00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: curious what can we say to the voters of Georgia

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00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: at large facing this.

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Speaker 6: You know, I think it goes back right back to

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00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 6: where we were just talking about around movement building, you know.

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Speaker 4: Like this stuff is.

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01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 6: It's not popular, but it's necessary. I was feeling discouraged

1117
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 6: too again. Part of the reason why I picked up

1118
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 6: the Julian Bond book because I'm like, how far back

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01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 6: are we gonna go?

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Speaker 7: Like?

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01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 6: Why are we going backwards like this? But we have

1122
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 6: to remember there's always a retraction after progress, and so

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Speaker 6: you cannot give up hope. We'd have every right to fight.

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01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 6: We have every right to be here, We have every

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01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 6: right and have always had every right to vote.

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Speaker 4: So let's not give it up so easy. I also

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01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 4: want to.

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Speaker 6: Shout out our dear sister and our brother Cliff, Latasha

1129
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 6: and Cliff for doing the work in Black voters Matter

1130
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 6: and making the ballot box so much more accessible for

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01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 6: our people to win. We all vote for making it

1132
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 6: a national issue that was detached largely from race for

1133
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 6: the Brennan Center, who make sure that we're educated on

1134
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 6: these issues writ large, and for all of our civil

1135
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,439
Speaker 6: rights orgs who make sure that we're informed and we're

1136
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 6: doing the work and so on. When we need to,

1137
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 6: maybe we have some more lawsuits, so they on their

1138
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 6: heels like we've been on our heels on all of

1139
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 6: our rights. But I really would just say, just keep going,

1140
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 6: keep fighting. You know, you deserve to drink water and

1141
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,440
Speaker 6: have a snack at the vote at the voting place,

1142
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 6: but you're you're going to be challenged, and I think

1143
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 6: that's a part of it. And just remember that somebody

1144
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 6: did it for us. Let me break out. This is

1145
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 6: a good time to break out. Harriet, where's my Harriet?

1146
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 6: Hold on, hold on, hold Michael. There she go, Oh,

1147
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 6: there she go. There's Harriet. So anytime you.

1148
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: Get Harriet Tubmand, this is where you need to pay

1149
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: attention to Michael Harry.

1150
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 4: You cannot have Mike.

1151
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 6: I love Michael, Harriet, but he is not around my neck.

1152
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 6: This is Harriet Tubman. Shout out to black a f

1153
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 6: history too, so you understand the retractions we're talking about.

1154
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 4: Michael Harry. We'll talk about that in the book.

1155
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 6: But this is important anytime you get tired, remember that

1156
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 6: there were folks who toiled and went down roads where

1157
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 6: there was no path, so that it would make our

1158
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 6: path that much easier.

1159
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 4: So certainly we can fight to protect our body.

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01:01:58,080 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 5: I love that. I think about that.

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01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: What right do we have have to be tired considering

1162
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,479
Speaker 1: what our what our ancestry went through.

1163
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 4: Well we got it right, we do.

1164
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: But I went up myself and get up and keep

1165
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: working a nap when myself I feel tired, I'm like,

1166
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: what right do you tivity?

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01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 4: I believe it in that ministry?

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01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, Andrew, you were going to say something before I

1169
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 5: move us home.

1170
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 6: No, it better be it better be on topic too,

1171
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 6: because I don't know what you're doing over there.

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Speaker 3: To my Michael, No, I thought about this poem that

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01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 3: I had committed to memory so many years ago. Don't

1174
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 3: see it through, don't quit?

1175
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 4: Oh sorry?

1176
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 3: And it talks about success is failure turned inside out,

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01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:38,479
Speaker 3: the silver tint of the closet, doubt it's it's it's

1178
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 3: when things seem worse that you mustn't quit. Was a

1179
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 3: line that came to me when you were saying, you know,

1180
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 3: Angela talked about you know, with with the evolution of time.

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01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 3: We make, you know, gigantic steps forward, but then there

1182
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 3: feels like this whole God leave. You know, we can't,

1183
01:02:56,800 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 3: we can't. We can't win for losing, right, the retraction

1184
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 3: starts and oftentimes it really is sort of like the

1185
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 3: last stand. Yeah, and it's when things seem and feel

1186
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 3: worse worse that we mustn't quit. Yeah.

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01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 5: I love that.

1188
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 3: Don't quit.

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Speaker 5: I love that. Okay, we're moving on to basketball.

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01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: And before you get all excited, I'm not going to

1191
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: give you my opinion on the NBA finals or playoffs yet.

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01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: We'll get into that in a second. But this is

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01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: what we This is our segment. Politics are everywhere, and

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01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 1: politics are even in where and how you watch these games.

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01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: The companies holding the rights to show NBA games, that's Disney,

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01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: which owns ESPN and ABC, and Warner Brothers Discovery, the

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01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: parent company of TNT. They are collectively paying the league

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01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 1: twenty four billion dollars over nine years for that privilege.

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Speaker 1: But guys, their contracts expire after next season, and the

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01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: NBA they set their eyes on to more and double

1201
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: the money it receives, so they're looking at like in

1202
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: the fifty billion dollar range to air their games.

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Speaker 5: Take a look.

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01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: But the reason why it's really interesting because sports never

1205
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: like you never hear like, oh, the NBA is down

1206
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: in profit by billions of dollars. People watch the NFL,

1207
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: they watch the NBA. Take a listen to NBA Commissioner

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01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: Adam Silver on his predictions and thoughts around as they

1209
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: negotiate their next round of TV contracts.

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Speaker 5: Take a listen.

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Speaker 8: There's so much competition these days in media. I mean,

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Speaker 8: just think of what's going on at TNT in terms

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01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 8: of changes in cable, what's happening at CNN, and everything's

1214
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 8: moving digitally. So as we're looking out the next decade,

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01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 8: we got to think about how we're going to produce

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01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 8: and present our games in a way where they're going

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01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 8: to be easily accessible. Because look, a lot of people

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01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 8: you must talk to fans all the time and don't

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01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 8: get cable, and they feast on social media, and our

1220
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 8: players are incredibly popular there, but it's not a substitute

1221
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 8: for watching live games. And the thing that really excites me,

1222
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 8: there's been a lot of talk about games and essence

1223
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 8: being and poured it over to digital platforms, and you

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01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 8: saw it with NFL, with NBC in Peacock. Amazon has

1225
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 8: games now too, but in essence there's still the same games.

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01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 8: It's the same feet of the game. What's really exciting

1227
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 8: to me as you move to these digital platforms, it

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01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 8: creates opportunities to do things unimaginable before in traditional television.

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01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 8: I mean, frankly, for people who do want to bet

1230
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 8: and you talk about that, you can do that. If

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01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 8: you want nothing to do with that, that's fine. For

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01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 8: people who want to buy the shoes the players are

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01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 8: wearing that the jerseys are wearing. Who people want to

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01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 8: be part of a larger community. For people who want

1235
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 8: different languages, different dialects, for people who want to listen

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01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 8: to commentary from Charles not just during the break but

1237
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 8: throughout the game, or people want Mike Breen to be

1238
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 8: doing play by play, or just to hear a group

1239
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 8: of people who are just fans having fun watching the game.

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01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 8: So I think production is going to change dramatically over

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01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 8: the next several years. And the other part about our

1242
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 8: game being global, I mean, even now, seventy five percent

1243
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 8: of our viewership comes from outside the United States.

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01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: Who knew I did not know that that many people

1245
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: outside the United States even about NBA Africa. But I

1246
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: this is like kind of a microcosm for like the

1247
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: business at large and like how people are consuming sports.

1248
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: I find it so interesting. And I also want to

1249
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: say that I predicted that the seventy six ers Nick

1250
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: game would go into overtime. I predicted it in the

1251
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: fourth quarter when it was not a lot of time

1252
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: less and I'm like, they're gonna tie because I'm going

1253
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: to overtime, am I?

1254
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 7: So?

1255
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: I mean, she couldn't have bet that myself. I told

1256
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,600
Speaker 1: myself would have been too little.

1257
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 3: I was.

1258
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 4: I was saud of you.

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01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: I was thinking it and then it happened and nobody

1260
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: was around for me to tell. But I should have

1261
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: dropped it in the group chat, just so y'all knew.

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01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 3: I literally thought, think about me winning a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 6: Okay, can she bet on it sooner?

1264
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 10: Though?

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01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: Can be do y'all Do y'all have anything on that

1266
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: or do y'all have a team that y'all want to

1267
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: tell you gonna think you're gonna win? Whatever y'all want

1268
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 1: to talk about. I just like talk about sports.

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Speaker 3: There's there's not a lot of sectors that are growing,

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01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 3: Like yeah, I mean you heard the comer say, doubling. Yeah, right,

1271
01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 3: And and we haven't he talked about the percentage of

1272
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 3: global viewers. We haven't even begun to scratch the surface

1273
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 3: of it, right. I just hope, I just hope that

1274
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 3: the global expansion creates opportunity for both the men's and

1275
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 3: the women's side. Already, women are going, you know, to

1276
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 3: China and abroad and get you know, making four times

1277
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 3: what they might make here in the States. But you know,

1278
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 3: let let this wild, rapid, incredible growth, both on expansion

1279
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 3: into other markets, but also in production quality, and investment,

1280
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 3: and and and and women's games. Let it, let it,

1281
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 3: Let it be across the board. That's all I gotta say.

1282
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 6: I you know, one of the things that I think

1283
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 6: is interesting about this is there is kind of a

1284
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 6: bidding war that's happening, and T and T could very

1285
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 6: well lose their rights to NBC Universal Comcast comcasts that

1286
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 6: they're willing to pay right around where Disney is willing

1287
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 6: to pay. And so what I would put on the

1288
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 6: table it just in case the NBA listens to us

1289
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 6: for stress, who you're gonna go with, like obviously you should,

1290
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 6: I would ensure just like the NFL has a Ruiney

1291
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 6: rule that they don't do so well at enforcing, but

1292
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 6: ensure that there's that kind of a process in place.

1293
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:21,559
Speaker 6: What are the what are the do the executives at

1294
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 6: these companies look like the players on the floor? Do

1295
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 6: the do the do the contractors they work with look

1296
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 6: like the players on the floor? Are the commentators who

1297
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 6: are talking about these games in between the breaks, at halftime,

1298
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 6: you know, the pregame, the post game.

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Speaker 4: Who do they look like? Do they have experience with

1300
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 4: the NBA?

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01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 6: Are you ensuring that there are w NBA players and

1302
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,959
Speaker 6: former players also at that table, ensuring that any ads

1303
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 6: that those companies bring to the table are doing business

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01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 6: with w n B A and NBA players. Is there

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Speaker 6: something that you can get them to do to throw

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Speaker 6: the U NBA a bone. Y'all are partners in this mission,

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Speaker 6: and right now the women about to take you over.

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Speaker 4: Tip. I got my seats to this season opener.

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Speaker 6: By the way, I want to go. You go Seattle

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Speaker 6: Storm March. Sorry, that's not March anymore. Seattle Storm May fourteenth.

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Speaker 6: They are playing the Minnesota Links. I'm making sure that

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Speaker 6: that is the fifteenth, Like, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Grant, we're gonna be somewhere.

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Speaker 4: Are we gonna be in my own May fourteen?

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Speaker 1: Oh you're right, Okay, we go. We all stay tuned anyway.

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Speaker 5: I love everything you said.

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Speaker 6: I don't even know where I was going, but my

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Speaker 6: point was make it blacker and then maybe the NBA

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Speaker 6: will consider Adam Silver.

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Speaker 4: I'm speaking for you, so you need to run me

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Speaker 4: a check or signing.

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Speaker 5: I love all your point.

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Speaker 1: Good concern producer, Nick, can you dub like Angelo's voice

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Speaker 1: over my face?

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Speaker 5: I wanted to look I was making those points.

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Speaker 1: Because that was so good about like the commentator.

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Speaker 5: I love how that.

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Speaker 1: I seriously though, I didn't even think about that, Like,

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Speaker 1: I was kind of looking at this from like a

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Speaker 1: you know, broadcast perspective. But the social justice element of

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Speaker 1: that I think is so important. The NFL is still

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Speaker 1: the most.

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Speaker 6: Well the equity. It's the equity tip more than social justice.

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Speaker 6: Were not asking them to. I mean, it would be

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Speaker 6: nice if they had a Black Lives Matter back drop,

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Speaker 6: but we're just talking about.

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Speaker 4: The people who know the game.

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Speaker 6: The best should be your commentators, the people who are

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Speaker 6: occupying the seats. You want folks who understand the league

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Speaker 6: doing business with the league. That means it should look blacker. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: how many of your players are black? That's so true.

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Speaker 1: But even when you're talking about the people doing business,

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Speaker 1: the contractor is the commentator, like all of that. I

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Speaker 1: think it's so so tantamount to the credibility marketing. Yeah, yeah, employees,

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Speaker 1: market contractors, commentator, all of it. I echo all of that.

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Speaker 1: The NFL is still the most valuable sports league in

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Speaker 1: the world, and they didn't quite double their fees. But

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Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is about even these other

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Speaker 1: businesses wanting to buy. We've seen massive layoffs at Disney

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Speaker 1: across all divisions. You saw a Discovery One Brother's Ways

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Speaker 1: of a ship ton of money on CNN Plus and

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Speaker 1: all the things they're doing. So I want I'm curious

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Speaker 1: how many people actually have the deep pockets to be

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Speaker 1: a real player in this. I take your point about

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Speaker 1: Peacock like they they may be a player, but they're

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Speaker 1: streaming the other streaming services out there. Given the global audience.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if Netflix will will get involved in this,

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Speaker 1: And what does this mean.

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Speaker 6: From Amazon is already they have a deal with Amazon

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Speaker 6: that's worth a lot of money. So there's they're slated

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Speaker 6: to make over seventy five billion. The NFL does, but

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Speaker 6: does the NBA, NBA They're yeah, they're working on an

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Speaker 6: Amazon deal too.

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Speaker 1: I thought I just read I've read in the time.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was a rumor. I didn't know that

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Speaker 1: there was like confirmed.

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Speaker 4: That they breaking up.

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Speaker 5: But we don't know, we don't know.

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Speaker 1: The streets are talking, the streets are saying sorts we

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Speaker 1: have heard say so to say there may be some

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Speaker 1: talk with Amazon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but here is an actual demographic number.

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Speaker 6: Seventy more than seventy percent of the players in the

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Speaker 6: NBA are black. We would like to see it in

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Speaker 6: the ranks of any organization that comes to the tape

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Speaker 6: wanting to stream or broadcast on linear.

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Speaker 5: I love that.

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Speaker 4: I love that me too.

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Speaker 1: Well, that concludes my sports talk for money the show,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for tuning in.

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Speaker 5: But before we go, though, did you guys? Are you guys?

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Speaker 1: Is there any team that you see winning the championship?

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Speaker 4: Not the Lakers? They only won one of their series games.

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Speaker 4: They're out.

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Speaker 5: Lakers are out. Andrew, is there a team that you see?

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Speaker 4: You don't You don't have one.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a dog in it.

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Speaker 1: No, Well, this is what Okay, I don't necessarily have

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Speaker 1: a dog either, But you're supposed to say I want

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Speaker 1: to see a good game.

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Speaker 5: I am looking forward to seeing take a girl, I do.

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Speaker 1: I was tried in president because she told me, if

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Speaker 1: you don't have a kid, Angela. Angela told me because

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Speaker 1: I was telling her. I was watching the seventy six

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Speaker 1: ers nixt game and I was like, but I don't

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Speaker 1: even care who wins. I just like, I want both teams.

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Speaker 1: I'm rooting for both teams. And she said, no, don't

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Speaker 1: say that, say that you want to see a good game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying now. I want to see

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Speaker 1: a competitive game. Yeah, and my predictions coming to I'm.

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Speaker 6: Gonna tell you one person that I've been remarkably impressed

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Speaker 6: with this season already, and that or this this series

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01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 6: already is Jalen Brunson, the New York Knicks.

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01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 5: It's new to the shooter.

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01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: He was hitting those three yests. He was shooting those

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01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: three it was so every time. And the other little boy.

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Speaker 6: He's gotten several Yes, yes, I'm gonna come back to

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01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 6: that eventual. Tyre's Maxie, but Jalen Brunson has had multiple

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01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 6: games over scoring over forty points. I want to shout

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01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 6: him out, especially because they gave him hell when he

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01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 6: was going to the Knicks where his dad works, and

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01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,640
Speaker 6: they were it was a huge thing, huge scandal. But

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01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 6: this is by far a better fit. The MAVs are

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Speaker 6: playing well, but it looks like he's found his home

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01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 6: at the New York Knicks. So I'm enjoying watching him play.

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Speaker 6: I'm enjoying these games.

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01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 5: But I love that his dad work. So I only

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01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:54,680
Speaker 5: know that because I googled him last night and I

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01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 5: saw his dad was a coach at the game.

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Speaker 7: I was it.

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Speaker 4: That's so sweet.

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Speaker 1: And he got black mom, black daddy, like little family.

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01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: They just look so cute as a unit. And they

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Speaker 1: his parents met and at Saint John's, I think an

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01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: undergrad and they've been together since did y'all and I

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Speaker 1: know that, don't hate, don't hate, Okay, I'm gonna.

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Speaker 4: Let me just I.

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Speaker 6: Want to make sure we know what what is where

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01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 6: his dad Actually, his dad used to play in the leagues.

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Speaker 4: An assistant coach.

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01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 6: Yeah no, I know that, but I was trying to

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01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 6: get his exact title, assistant coach.

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01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 4: I don't know why. I thought he was in the

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Speaker 4: back office.

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Speaker 1: And like this guy to his son's career. I just

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01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 1: think it. So I like their little family unit. I

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01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: love it, so shout out. Okay, well, you know what,

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01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: because I like their family unit, I'm rooting for the Knicks.

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01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,719
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for the Knicks. That's what I just decided.

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01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: I'm hoping they get Yeah, because you.

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Speaker 5: And Spike Lee. He just reminded, Yes, you.

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01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: Know, I sat next to a Spike at a game,

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01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: at a next game, and he was every bit.

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01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, he was every.

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01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 6: You don't play now if you ask him some questions

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01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 6: during the game, you might get cussed out.

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01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 5: Listen, he was arguing with the players. He was going.

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01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 1: He started, he was saying something of Van Fleet is

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01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: that his name? But yeahah, then he was saying something

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01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: to him. He is hilarious to sit next to. But

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01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: you know the other thing, these kids, they look like

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01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 1: big grown men and then when you look at them,

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01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: are you just a little boy like they just like

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01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 1: in their early twenties, you know.

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Speaker 3: AnyWho, another news, roll Central Kitchen founder and chef Jose

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01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 3: Andres has announced that they are going back to Gaza

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01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 3: as you all know, the well the Central Kitchen, after

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01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 3: three vehicles in their convoy. Yeah yeah, seven people, okay,

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01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 3: three vehicles. Yeah, sorry, we're we're obliterated. So that's good news.

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Speaker 1: And Angel really Central Kitchen incredible.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you for that update. Andrew.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna and you close out our sports section with

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Speaker 1: good news because you know, when I get to talking

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01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 1: about sports, I can go on and on and on.

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01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you stopped the conversation.

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01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 3: Then yeah, I'll drip from your mouth.

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01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: I just can't help myself. So we're going to take

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Speaker 1: a quick ad break, but don't go anywhere, guys. When

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Speaker 1: we come back, we have calls to action for you.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to miss thee so stay tuned.

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Speaker 5: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.

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Speaker 5: All right, welcome back everybody. We're going to be really quick.

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Speaker 1: We have three calls to action for you, and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to let Andrew kick us off.

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Speaker 3: So today marks the implementation or into effect, the six

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Speaker 3: week Abortion Band and Florida, pushed by the Republicans. Almost

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01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 3: half the women don't even know that they are pregnant

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Speaker 3: at six weeks, and so this will have a huge

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01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 3: effect on the state of Florida. But there is a

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Speaker 3: constitutional amendment on the ballot in November. If you're not registered, y'all,

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01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:57,759
Speaker 3: please get registered. Tell somebody to get registered. That window

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01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 3: closes thirty days out from the election.

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Speaker 5: It thank you, Angela, what you got.

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Speaker 6: My update is about Marilyn Moseby. I am hoping that

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01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:15,640
Speaker 6: you all saw Marylyn's interview with Joy Read. It is

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Speaker 6: her first, it's an exclusive, and I hope that you

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01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 6: will be inspired to sign the petition. We are just

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Speaker 6: over nine thousand signatures and would love to see you

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01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 6: all add yourselves and make sure that you add your

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01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 6: friends and family. Please send it to them and make

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Speaker 6: sure we get this pardon request on President Biden's radar.

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Speaker 1: I love that, and I'll echo Angecles call to action

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Speaker 1: and just say, whatever you're doing in your community, do something,

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Speaker 1: do something this week that benefits the greater good. But before

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Speaker 1: we end the show, I want to remind everyone to

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