1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I am here 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: with Cassie Cherigo. She's sitting in for Garrett today is 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 1: he's on vacation and we are going to break down 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: Justin Mattabique receiving the franchise tag today from the Ravens 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: and tell you talk about what's next for the Ravens, 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: what this means, both short term and long term, and 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: other franchise tag news from around the league, and what 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: it can mean for the Ravens. So, Cassie, you know 9 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: Eric Ticassa first said in his saving he said, we're 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: unable to agree on a contract extension with Justin before 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: the deadline, and we'll use the franchise tag. Justin is 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: a great player in person, and we will continue to 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: negotiate a long term deal with him. So that's the 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: official word. What was your official reaction to the news 15 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: of mattabe Gay get in the tag. 16 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, one way or the other. It's great 17 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: to know that he's under contract for next season. We 18 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 2: have another season of him here. You know that he'll 19 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: be playing on the field regardless of what happens from 20 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: here on out. That he's back again, you know, We 21 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: kind of knew this was coming to cross. The told 22 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 2: reporters last week at the Combine that they couldn't reach 23 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: a deal, he would use the franchise tag, and that's 24 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: exactly what happened. 25 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: We had we had the story was ready, the graphic 26 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: for social was. 27 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: Ready, the highlight video was ready. 28 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: One way or the other. 29 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 3: We were doing something with him right, right, We. 30 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: Had the story right. We also had the story ready. 31 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 2: You know. 32 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: They reached an extension just in case, you know, crossing 33 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: our fingers. 34 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: And we we have that graphic ready too that we 35 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 2: could use anytime between now exactly July fifteenth, so that one. 36 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: Gets dusted off, you know, sometime down the road. 37 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't hasn't quite hit the graveyard yet, so 38 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 2: we'll keep that in our back pocket. But yeah, no, 39 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 2: I think it's great. He's obviously such a talented young player, 40 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: great guy. 41 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: It was so cool. 42 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: We were just at his first Pro Bowl with him, 43 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: and he's he's still got that like sense of awe, 44 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: you know, like he's like there guys coming up to 45 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: me here talking about how my great my game is. 46 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,279 Speaker 2: Guys that I've looked up to, you know, having Peyton 47 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: Manning there talking to him about how great of a 48 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: player he is, Like he was so like awestruck by that, 49 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: Like he's he's made it this year. This was that 50 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: like prove it season and he was able to do 51 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: that with such great play on the field that I'm just. 52 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 3: Excited to see, you know how he continues to do that. 53 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: Right, We haven't heard a lot from Justin in terms 54 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: of the contract. You know, all last season he was 55 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: pretty mum about it, said that'll handle itself in the offseason. 56 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: Even at the Pro Bowl, he said Baltimore's home, but 57 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: business is business, and that was pretty much all he said. 58 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: So we don't really know exactly how Justin's feeling. I mean, 59 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: anytime that a team gives you the franchise tag and 60 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: it's worth twenty two point one million dollars for one year, 61 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: it's not bad. It's not a bad chunk of change 62 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: to say you might you're going to get that for 63 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: one year or long term deal. It's a good position 64 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: to be in. But we don't know how he's feeling exactly. 65 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: What I'll say is the Ravens, obviously to your point earlier, 66 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: they had to make this move. You couldn't let Justin 67 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: mattabek hit free agency. I mean, you're talking about a 68 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: player who had thirteen sacks this year, eleven consecutive games 69 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: that at least have a sad and more importantly, I 70 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: think has been his trajectory. Right every year of his career, 71 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: he's at least doubled his sack total went from one 72 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: to two, to five and a half to thirteen, right, 73 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: which led all defensive linemen in sacks this year. His 74 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: quarterback hits jump from nine to thirty three last year. Like, 75 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: this is a player that's taking off and honestly, I 76 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: feel like has not hit his ceiling yet, Like I 77 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: feel like there he could put up bigger numbers next year, 78 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: and that potentially is why a long term deal didn't 79 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: get done. Right, Justin Mattabikee is a player who is 80 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: bet on himself. He did last year and maybe he 81 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: still is, you know, and says, you know what, I 82 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: think I can get a bigger offer if I just wait. 83 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: Maybe that could mean wait until July. The two sides 84 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: have a July fifteenth deadline to reach a long term 85 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: extension before Justin would be locked in on the one 86 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: year deal, or waiting beyond that until next offseason, so 87 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: we don't know, but I think the one thing that 88 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: we did know is the Ravens cot and let him 89 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: walk out the building. 90 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think to your point about him continuing 91 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: to grow, he talked a lot during the season about 92 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: the impact Chuck Smith had coming in, So I'm really excited. Obviously, 93 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: Anthony Weavers departed to Miami, we have a new defensive 94 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: line coach coming in Dennis Johnson, but you know, Chuck 95 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: Smith works so closely with them on pass rush, and 96 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: obviously we saw such a huge jump from him this 97 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: year that having him come back another year with him 98 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: that development continuing to grow. I'm just excited to see 99 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: what they can continue to do together. I think they've 100 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: both talked about that working relationship and how much like 101 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: he's seen from him, So I'm glad that there's like 102 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: some continuity there that will continue to see him develop 103 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:40,239 Speaker 2: with Justin. 104 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: I think it's also important you keep it all pro 105 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: at every level of this defense. You have Justin Mattabeek 106 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: on the defensive line pro right exactly, Roquan Smith at linebacker, 107 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: and Kyle Howlson as safety. 108 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: The future like keeping those three pieces there looks nice exactly. 109 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if you remove Matta Bakay from that equation, 110 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: I mean, you still have some good players, Travis Jones, 111 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: you bring back Michael Pierce. But this is the future 112 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: of the Ravens, And of course this is kind of 113 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: pending a long term deal getting done, which we hope 114 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: does get done. But the future of the Ravens defense 115 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: is in really good hands and at least for twenty 116 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: twenty four, I think you can confidently say now that 117 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: Matdebique has the franchise tag, like this is going to 118 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: be a very strong, dangerous defense. 119 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 2: Again, well, I think coming out of the AFC Championship loss, 120 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: there was an Erictocosta kind of put the kebash on this, 121 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 2: but there was kind of this sentiment like was that 122 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 2: the Ravens window and obviously famously somewhat set at this point, 123 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: you know, we don't believe in windows closing. But I 124 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: think part of that was can they bring back these 125 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: key pieces that were so instrumental on the success that 126 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: they had this season? And I feel like today you 127 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: feel a lot better about that knowing that he's back 128 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 2: for this year. 129 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: Now, part of this, on the flip side, is this 130 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: means that Patrick Queen will hit free agency, right, so 131 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: not every piece is back, but Patrick Queen, as a 132 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: lot of us have already kind of speculated that that 133 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: probably likely going to be the case. This makes it official. 134 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: Patrick Queen is going to become a free agent. Can 135 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: the Ravens re sign him down the road? Maybe? Wouldn't 136 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: want to rule that out. I think that he's going 137 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: to have a robust market, and uh, you know, the 138 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: Ravens have already paid Roquan Smith. They're trying to get 139 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: a long term deal done with Matabka. There's only so 140 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: many guys that you can. 141 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: Pile Hamilton knocking at the doors on the road exactly. 142 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: So not. I think Patrick Queen will get some other 143 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: team will offer him probably what the Ravens unfortunately cannot. 144 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: That's my expectation there. So let's just talk about the 145 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 1: short term costs here for the Ravens. So, as we said, 146 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: the Mattabka tag costs twenty two point one million dollars. Uh. 147 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: The team entering the day had about eleven million dollars 148 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: in cap space. According to over the Cap, the Ravens 149 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: are now nine and a half million over the cap. 150 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: We're in the red now, right, with the Mattabek tag. 151 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: So the Ravens have to be salary cap compliant by 152 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: March thirteenth. That's next Wednesday, Wednesday, thank you very much, 153 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: four pm at four pm. And so they have to 154 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: make some moves. They have to clear about ten million 155 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: dollars in salary cap space. The question is how do 156 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: they do that right? So you can make cuts, you 157 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: can restructured deals, you can reach extensions and whatnot. The 158 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: basic way that they could do this, I think from 159 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: the outset is contract restructures. Lamar Jackson is kind of 160 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: a quote unquote easy one. He and if you were 161 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: to release Tiest Bowser that would save five and a 162 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: half million. You restructure Lamar. That gets it done your 163 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: salary cap compliant. With those two moves alone, I think 164 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: that the Ravens could also restructure Mark Andrews's deal. That's 165 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: a guy that you know he's going to be around 166 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: for a little while. It's okay to kick a little 167 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: money down the road. And same goes for Roquan Smith. 168 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: So if you do Lamar, Andrews and Roquon, that's about 169 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: twenty million dollars in cap space just right there. That 170 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: pretty much vers Mada b Kay's franchise tech, So I 171 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: don't know, how do you see that kind of playing out. 172 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: Well, the other piece of that, too, is that you 173 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:10,119 Speaker 2: need additional money to make other moves exactly talked about well, 174 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: you know, just in our conversations throughout the weeks since 175 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: the seasons ended. Obviously the Ravens needed to make some 176 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 2: moves at other positions as well, whether that's bringing in 177 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: a big name free agent at running back, offensive line, 178 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: something along those lines. 179 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: Typically not a. 180 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: Huge splash the first couple of days of free agency, 181 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 2: but you are going to need that flexibility to make 182 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: moves down the stretch, so that requires other moves to 183 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 2: be made there. The other piece of it is like 184 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: with a jump in the salary cap this year, other 185 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: teams also have that increase, so well, it's great for 186 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 2: the Ravens to not have to adjust as many contracts, 187 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: maybe not release as many players to be salary cap compliant. 188 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: The other teams are in the same boat as well, 189 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 2: So I feel like the Ravens in the past haven't 190 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,479 Speaker 2: able to jump on some of those cap casualties elsewhere 191 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: kind of in that first wave of free agency, some 192 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: of those veteran players who were on big contracts that 193 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: teams had to and we're able to sign for better 194 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 2: deals here. I'll just be interested to see kind of 195 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 2: how that piece of it plays out too, given that 196 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: there may not be as many around the league. 197 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree, Yeah, I mean what this The 198 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: easy statement is that having them might a begun tag 199 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: forces you to make more moves. Sure, right, if he 200 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: had gotten a long term deal done, it would have 201 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: had a lower year one salary cap number. They would 202 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: have had more flexibility to make more moves or slash, 203 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: make fewer changes to contracts, restructures or release guys. Now 204 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: you have to make some more of those on the 205 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: front end. I don't think that this, however, means that 206 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: the Ravens all of a sudden have to get out 207 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: the butcher knife and start cutting players left and right. Yeah, 208 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: it just doesn't, you know, like they have enough wiggle 209 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: room to restructure these contracts to where you don't have 210 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: to make these you know, we're seeing it around the 211 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: league with other teams cutting big time players, and the 212 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: Ravens are not in that desperate of a position. They're 213 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: if depending on how aggressive they want to be in 214 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: free agency, they might have to be make some more 215 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: of those moves either soon or down the line. Right Like, 216 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: if you were Ronnie Stanley's somebody that we've talked about, 217 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: if you did clear fifteen million dollars in cap space 218 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: it with a post June one cut, that money comes 219 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: a little bit later in that whatever third fourth wave 220 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: of free agency. But this for now means as the 221 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: Ravens enter free agency at the start free agency, they're 222 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: going to have a little bit less wiggle room to 223 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: make a big signing. They don't really typically make those 224 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: big signs rightly getting anyway, So I don't think this 225 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: handicaps them as much as it may seem on the surface. 226 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 2: And I think, you know, I think we hear a 227 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 2: lot from fans in that first week a free agency. 228 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 2: There's like there's typically always a little bit of frustration. 229 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 3: Like why aren't you doing more and wearing no more? 230 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: So from my perspective, it's also kind of nice that 231 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: we that this is done this week. 232 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 3: We have this excitement around. 233 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: The fact that we're bringing out a BKA back for 234 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: another season, Like you kind of this is your splash, 235 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: you know, one way or the other, he's going to 236 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: be a Raven in twenty twenty four. Like, I feel 237 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: like you have to think of it in that way, 238 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: Like you kind of did get the big name free 239 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,599 Speaker 2: agent ilready because if he was going to hit the 240 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: free agent market, like you mentioned, the Ravens probably aren't 241 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: gonna be able to afford to make big swings at 242 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 2: that point. 243 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: Right, And really they I mean, if they do more restructures. 244 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: You could restructure on Marcus Williams, you could restructure on 245 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: Molon Humphrey. You know, they can free up more money 246 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: if they want to make that big, a big splash, 247 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: whether that be a running back or whomever it is. 248 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: You can do those things. Now. You don't really want 249 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: to keep kicking the can down the road, and you 250 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: need to have kind of a rainy day fund at 251 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: the end of the day. So, like, I still don't 252 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: expect the Ravens to be big spenders in free agency, 253 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: but they still have even with tagging Matt Abik, they 254 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: still have some flexibility. They would have had more if 255 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: they reached along term extension, but I think they still 256 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: have the ability to make some moves. One thing I 257 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: do want to I think this noteworthy though, you know, 258 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: we talk about these restructures and you know we talk 259 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 1: about Lamar and that being kind of an easy one 260 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: to get done, right. One note I just want to 261 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: throw out there is that Lamar is still his own agent, right, So, 262 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: like any restructure you get done with anything with Lamar 263 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 1: in his contract, with him being his own agent, I 264 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: don't know how easy he might be in air quotes 265 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: to get that done. I'm just saying he's a unique 266 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: case the case. 267 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that might be a little bit of a 268 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 2: slower process than DC would like. 269 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: There, I have no idea. I mean, maybe they already 270 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: talked about it before Lamar left to go back to. 271 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: Maybe because you don't have the third party. 272 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: Getting maybe I'm just like, I'm just throwing that out 273 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: there is like a factor that I don't want to 274 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: exactly get lost in talking about what's easy and what's not. 275 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: So maybe they've already had those. 276 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: Diardless, everything's in negotiation. So I would not personally want 277 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: to be in Eric's shoes at any point in his career. 278 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: Like that's a challenge that I can't even fathom. But 279 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: simple restructure is definitely still a negotiation, right, I think. 280 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: Too, Like there's some guys that you look at, let's 281 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: talk about like a Morgan Moses or a pat Ricard 282 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: or these deals that these are good players that you 283 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for, and they're kind of 284 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: on that fringe where you look at their salary cat 285 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: number for next year and you're like, what's the decision there? Right, Like, 286 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: a long term deal makes those easier decisions, And those 287 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: are kind of players, whether it be maybe it's an 288 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: extension for a recard or something like that, Like, those 289 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: are the kind of the tough decisions that I think 290 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: are impacted in a way by this franchise sag potentially. 291 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of the snowball effect, you know, it 292 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 2: has carries throughout the team. 293 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: Yep. So let's talk about the long term chances of 294 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: reaching an extension with Justin Adobek. Where do you what's 295 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: your gut tell you on whether they do get a 296 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: long term deal done? Because history says they do, right. 297 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it was not that long ago that we 298 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: were in this territory talk about the franchise sag with 299 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson speaking of right, and obviously we all well 300 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: know that deal got done. The Ravens have put the 301 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: franchise tag on nine players. They've reached long term deals 302 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: with seven of them in their history. The two that 303 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: did not get long term deals were Matthew Judon he 304 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: got this tag in twenty twenty, and Wally Williams back 305 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight. What's your gut tell you about 306 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: the chances of getting a long term deal done with 307 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: Matty B. Gay. 308 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 2: I definitely think it gets done. The one interesting thing, 309 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: and I'll go back to what you said earlier, is 310 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: that we don't really know how he feels about it. 311 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: That's the one unique piece to me. You know, if 312 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 2: he had said on podium, this is where I want it, 313 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: and he loves Baltimore. And I'm not trying to say 314 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: he doesn't love Baltimore. I just think that's the one 315 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: interesting piece. You just don't really know where his head's 316 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: at about it. But I definitely think that he loves 317 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: his place. He wants to be back here. I think 318 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: that they get a deal done. You know, I was 319 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: here for the Judon one. That's the only one that 320 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: I've been here for that didn't get done, obviously, and 321 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: I think that was a different situation. You know, it'll 322 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: be interesting to see whether the deal happens. July fifteenth 323 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: or if it's in next year situation, because like you mentioned, 324 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: Justin could have another incredible year we expect him to. 325 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: He might play himself into an even bigger contract a 326 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 2: year from now. That's definitely the one challenge there. But 327 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: Eric's always said that we want to keep our young 328 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: talented players again, like you want to have that young 329 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 2: Pro Bowl core locked in for years to come, to 330 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 2: keep that window open as the Ravens continue to make 331 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: Super Bowl pushes. 332 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 3: So I think it gets done. 333 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: I think he is a homegrown talent that loves this organization, 334 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: that wants to be here, and I'm sure no good done. 335 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that it's interesting to compare his situation 336 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: to Matthew Judon because Judon was in some ways a 337 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: similar case and in other ways not. You know, he 338 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: Judon was coming off a year in which he had 339 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: nine and a half sacks. It was a career high 340 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: in his fourth season, and just like Matty career career 341 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: year coming off it, you know, but you look at 342 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: it and Matthew Judon that year, you know, they were 343 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: about a dozen or more outside linebackers who had more 344 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: sacks than Matthew Judon this year. That year. I'm sorry, 345 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: Matta Bika. I think is a bit is more of 346 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: a rare talent. Obviously, he led all defensive tackles with 347 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: thirteen sacks. I just think he brings something with his 348 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: interior pass rush that, for lack of a better word, 349 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: is a little more special. It's just more rare. And 350 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: so I think for that reason, the Ravens have a 351 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: little bit more desire to get that deal done or 352 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: willing to spend more potentially, So I think you know, 353 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: now Judan ended up putting up fifteen and a half 354 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: sacks two years later. I mean, he kind of broke 355 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: out after he left. I think the Ravens want to 356 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: see that breakout happen here for Justin Matty Biekay. They 357 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: don't want to see history repeat itself, see this guy 358 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 1: get away and he continues to put up even bigger 359 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: numbers and become the you know who knows he could 360 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: be the next Aaron Donald, right, And so it's with 361 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: him exactly, And so that's why the Ravens want to 362 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: get a deal done for Justin. Mattabike. Sure, maybe he 363 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: thinks if I hit the if I ever hit the 364 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: open market, I'm gonna make bank bank even way bigger. 365 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that it would be way bigger. 366 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what it would be. Twenty two point one, 367 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 1: it's a pretty dark big number. 368 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 2: Well, and to your point about Juda, and there was 369 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: a few guys that kind of fell in that category 370 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: of going on to have really big jumps and they 371 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 2: left you like a Zadarius Smith always comes to mind 372 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 2: from me, had really big success when he left, and 373 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: I think that there is kind of that sentiment that 374 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 2: we want to keep that talent here. I also think 375 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 2: that there's something to be said about the differences in 376 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: personalities between a Justin Mettabike and Matthew Judon. Judon was 377 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 2: very vocal throughout that time, but wanting the big contract, 378 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: he's just a brash, big personality, like he he wants 379 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: to go to a team and be that flashy, big 380 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: you know, be the guy the guy yeah one hundred 381 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: percent and just amount of byk plays that way. 382 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 3: But that's not exactly his persona. Off the field. 383 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 2: He's you know, he has a great personality, but he's 384 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 2: more of an understated kind of guy and he likes 385 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: to be that way. I feel like, you know, feel 386 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 2: like he's one of the guys, you know, not the 387 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: guy personality wise, and he's not brash, and so I 388 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 2: think like we kind of knew with Judahn that he 389 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 2: wanted that big payday, he wanted the chance to hit 390 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 2: the free agent market, and that that was something that 391 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 2: like he felt strongly about. Where it's like, we don't 392 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 2: hear that from Justin. 393 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. I think for Justin 394 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: it comes down to anytime you bet against yourself, there's 395 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: it's a gamble, right, If he waits and plays on 396 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,239 Speaker 1: the tag, it's a gamble. Sure, you've got twenty two 397 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: point one million guaranteed, But if you suffer an injury, 398 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: not going to all the wood that it doesn't happen, 399 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: right or whatever, you don't have as big a year 400 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: as you had this past year. You know, Mike, with 401 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: Donald has left, you're in a new defense. I'm sure 402 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: he has confidence to zach Wi. But things will change, right, 403 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: the factors change. It's another year, you don't know, right. 404 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: The reason for him to get a deal done now is, Look, 405 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: you're coming off a huge season, You're coming off a 406 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: career year thirteen sacks. Like, do I think he can 407 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: beat that? Yeah, Do I think it's gonna be easy 408 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: to replicate or beat that? No, it's not gonna be easy. 409 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: Right you're healthy. You have a chance right now if 410 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: you're justin Mattabek to sign a deal that will set 411 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: you for life and your kids and their kids. You know, 412 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: you have that deal right now. And that's always that's 413 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: the give and take with any of these negotiations, right Like, 414 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: he probably wants to sign that deal. He's probably got 415 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: a really nice offer coming from the Ravens. It's just 416 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: how good is it? Does he feel like now is 417 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: the right time? Does he bet on himself again? Yeah? 418 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: And I feel like that's something only he can really know, 419 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 2: Like how does he feel physically going into next season? 420 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 2: How does he feel like he came out of this year? 421 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: What does he feel like he can still like make 422 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 2: the jump in? But yeah, it's hard to mentally, it's 423 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: got to be hard to weigh that. To pass up 424 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: the I mean, twenty two million dollars is one thing, 425 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: but like that, I mean that is generational. You're changing 426 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,439 Speaker 2: like your family's outcome for generations when you sign a 427 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: long term deal like that coming off of a season. 428 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: Like that, For sure, it's when that's on the table. 429 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 3: I'd like to have that problems. I don't do that 430 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 3: happening for me, But that's okay. I love that for him. 431 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: I do think one thing to note is, you know, 432 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: Lugarious Need, the Chief's cornerback who also got the franchise tag, 433 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: has also been granted the permission to seek a trade. 434 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: You're not hearing that about Justin Attabek, and so sometimes 435 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: what you're not hearing tells speaks volumes too, right. I 436 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: do think that Justin Mattabek wants to be here. I 437 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: genuinely do. I think he wants to be a Raven. 438 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: The Ravens were the team when other teams had questions 439 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: about him in the pre draft process about you know, 440 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: character and what work ethic and all that stuff. The 441 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: Ravens are like, nah, we believe in you. We believe 442 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: in this guy. We're gonna develop you. Right, And they 443 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: picked him in the third round and they have helped 444 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: him blossom in his career and all that stuff, like 445 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: it's been a good match. Right. This is a defensive town. 446 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: He's got all these players around him. This is a 447 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: team that's gonna win for a long time. Continue to 448 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: do so continue to challenge for Super Bowls, Like this 449 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: is a pretty darn good situation for Justin mattabk to 450 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: be in. And the grass isn't always greener when you 451 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: go to the other side. Just ask Matthew Judan. Yeah, right, 452 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,719 Speaker 1: how has it gone for him in New England? Not 453 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: particularly you know, personally he's put up numbers, but winning games, 454 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: you know, and for a little less money, he was 455 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: probably more fun net fun at twenty nineteen. 456 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 2: I don't think you're ever gonna have that much fun 457 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 2: on the team ever. 458 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: Right, right, So, like you know, those are all the 459 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: factors that are out there I think for for Justin Mattebka. 460 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: And because of all that, I do feel good about 461 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: the Ravens' chances of getting a deal done with him 462 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: before July fifteenth, Also because you don't want to be 463 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: in the same position next year, because the second franchise 464 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: tag gets really costly. Like if you get to if 465 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: you don't get a deal done before July fifteenth, I 466 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: think it's going to be pretty hard. I think, I 467 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: honestly do. And I don't think the Ravens want to 468 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: see him at the market, and I don't think that 469 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: necessarily he as much as hitting the market is kind 470 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: of fun to see what your value is. I don't 471 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: know that he's going to end up liking that position 472 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: if it were to happen. 473 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: I also feel like they they're like, I just get 474 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 2: the sense that it's not that far off. You know, 475 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 2: Eric was talking about it last week at the combine 476 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: that I could still go either way. 477 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 3: We waited until today to put the tag. 478 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: I know those conversations are ongoing, so I just get 479 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: the sense that they're not that far apart. 480 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 3: So that that makes me feel good that it does get. 481 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: Done by that deadline exactly. Really, the ultimate deadline is 482 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: July fifteenth. It would have been great to get this 483 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: done before today, but the ultimate deadline is July fixth. 484 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: It gives you a little more time, exactly. So when 485 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: we come back, we're gonna take a little break. When 486 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: we come back, we're going to talk about the other 487 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: franchise tag news from around the league and what it 488 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: can be for the Ravens. Thank you for listening to Lounge. 489 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: We're coming to you from the Seat Geek Studio. We 490 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: also want our listeners to know that this week the 491 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: Draft Kings Sports Book an official sports betting partner of 492 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens has a limited time offer you won't 493 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: want to miss. Download the Draft Kings sports Book app 494 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: now use code flock. 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The Jags tagged outside the linebacker Josh Allen, 503 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: the Panthers Brian Burns, Patriots safety Kyle Duggar, Bengals wide 504 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: receiver T Higgins, the Bears defensive back Jalen Johnson, the 505 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: Chiefs corner Lagarius Need as we previously mentioned, the Tampa 506 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers safety Antoine Winfield Junior, and the Colts, as 507 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: of record this or expected to place the franchise tag 508 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: on Michael Pittman if they don't get a deal done. 509 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: The players not tagged are the more interesting ones, I think. Right, 510 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: So the Giants did not tag running back Saquon Barkley 511 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: and the Dolphins did not tag defensive tackle Christian Wilkins. 512 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: So what do you think those mean potentially for the Ravens. 513 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: This free agent running back market is crazy. I mean, 514 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 2: has there ever been a year that there's that many talented, 515 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 2: big name. 516 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 3: Running backs and free agency? 517 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: The answer is no. 518 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 2: You have Josh Jacobs, Derrick, Henry, Saquon that you just mentioned, 519 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: Austin Eckler, Tony Pollard, DeAndre Swift. 520 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 3: Yep, that's insane. 521 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, that's that's a healthy crop. 522 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 3: Well, it's a good year to be in the running 523 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 3: back market. 524 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 2: I guess it'll be interested to see, like how these 525 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 2: all kind of shake out. 526 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 3: I mean, the Giants could still bring Saquon back. I 527 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 3: think that's been reported as like a possibility, right that. 528 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: They're still very interested in that. But but it'll be 529 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: it'll really be interesting to see how quickly that I 530 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: just feel like it's a game of chicken then running 531 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: back market that like nobody's gonna want to set the 532 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: market there that you've seen that at other times at 533 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: other positions that nobody wants to be the first scene 534 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: to sign a running back. Everybody. The longer everybody waits, 535 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: the more the prices go down. And so Saquon, if 536 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: the Giants do get a deal done with him, will 537 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: be potentially the first domino to fall. But I just 538 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: don't know that you're gonna see a bidding war for 539 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: Saquon or Derrick Henry or I don't know. Maybe maybe 540 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: those guys could pop off next week, a week from now, 541 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: you're talking about somebody showing out some pretty good money 542 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: for them. But I also could just see him kind 543 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: of with so many names. Everybody's like, I got to 544 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: get one of these guys, but I'm not in a 545 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: rush to get one specifically, you know what I mean. 546 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 2: And I also think there could kind of, in some 547 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 2: ways almost be more of a market for that like 548 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 2: second tier there that like you get them for a 549 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 2: slightly better deal, but you don't feel like there's that 550 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 2: big of a difference there between like the top guys available. 551 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 2: I just think, you know, it's been such a talking 552 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: point kind of nationally in the NFL over the last 553 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 2: couple of years, like the Whether or Not teams sort 554 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 2: of sort of devalued that position. 555 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 3: You know. 556 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 2: You also we have the draft that hasn't happened yet. 557 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 2: Will teams wait to sign a guy until they figure 558 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: out if they're bringing in a young talented back that way? 559 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 3: It's just it's very. 560 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 2: Interesting with so many people available that, like you said, 561 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 2: there's not you don't have to be the first one 562 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 2: to the jump, right. 563 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: I mean you look at the Ravens areas of need 564 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 1: and it's looking pretty darn strong. I mean in terms 565 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: of the offensive line in the draft, yeah, really good 566 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: running back in the free agency market. Wide receiver draft, 567 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, corner draft is very good at corner really 568 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: it's Ed Rusher is kind of the one. You know, 569 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: there's some definitely guys in the draft, but you see 570 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 1: of these players getting tagged, some of them are the 571 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: top outside linebackers. Not that I expected the Ravens to 572 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: be fishing in those waters. Like the top the chatter 573 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: about the Ravens and Brian Burns, I mean, Brian Burns 574 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: is going to get a crazy deal eventually. Like the 575 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: Ravens have justin Mattabeker to worry about that. I don't 576 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: think they worry about Brian Burns the potential of getting 577 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: him as great a player as he is, that ain't happening. 578 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: I do want to talk about Christian Wilkins. I think 579 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: that's an interesting case as it pertains to Justin Mattabek. 580 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: His agent is going to be watching what kind of 581 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: deal Christian Wilkins gets for sure. I mean, here's a 582 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: guy who had nine sacks last season. This is a 583 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: somewhat comparable situation. So what does he end up getting 584 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: If it's not as much as maybe, you know, Justin 585 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: Mattabik and his agent thought that he would get on 586 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: the open market, maybe they come back to the Ravens 587 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: offer and say, all right, this is this is pretty good, 588 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: or maybe that helps shape the Ravens offer, you know, 589 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: like we saw with Lamar Jackson, other quarterback deals get 590 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: done and that kind of frames up the picture a 591 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: little bit for what your guy deserves. I think that 592 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: could honestly, Christian Wills being a free agent could help 593 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: the Ravens' chances of signing Justin Mettabee gates this long 594 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: term deal because it kind of sets what the market is. 595 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: If he had been tagged, the market is less clear. 596 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 2: Sure, and it sets it for this year again exactly 597 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: then like next year, it's going to be even higher theoretically, 598 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: you know, so I think it is it. 599 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be interesting to watch. 600 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: And the other defensive tackle that didn't get the franchise 601 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: tag is the Chiefs Chris Jones, who had ten and 602 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: a half sacks this past season, fifteen and a half 603 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,479 Speaker 1: the year before, like Christian Wilkins, another top defensive tackle. 604 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: So you put together Chris Jones and Christian Wilkins both 605 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: becoming free agents and maybe they resigned with their current 606 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: teams or elsewhere. Both those guys I think could help 607 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: the Ravens get a deal done with Justin Mattabeeka because 608 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: they will help set the market for what a top 609 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: defensive tackle will be paid for. 610 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 2: Sure. 611 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 3: Free agency this year is three wilds. I'm excited. 612 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, get those graphics ready. 613 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah. 614 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 2: Well we have to prep everything like today, you know, 615 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 2: and you never know what's gonna hit the graveyard exactly. 616 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a wild week. I mean, just 617 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: between now and the starter free agency, as we talked about, 618 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: there's gonna be the restructures, there could be cuts. 619 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 2: You know, you'll start hearing rumors starting Monday. Things aren't 620 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: official until Wednesday and that's always the murky time of 621 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 2: how official are the rumors that are coming out? You know, 622 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 2: I think we'll know some of the things that might 623 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 2: be happening early next week totally. 624 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: So it's things are ramping up for sure. It's a 625 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: busy time and we'll be back with you later this 626 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: week to kind of set the stage for free agency 627 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: and all that that comes with. So thank you for listening. 628 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: Make sure you're subscribed, leave a rating and review, and 629 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 1: we'll be back with you later this week.