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Speaker 1: Today make marks a major milestone in this investigation by

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Speaker 1: Susanne Morphew's disappearance. We're announcing that at zero nine fifteen

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Speaker 1: Morphy's husband, Burne Morphu. He was taken into custy near

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Speaker 1: his home in Podga Springs. He was alone at the

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Speaker 1: time of his arrest and he was arrested without incident.

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Speaker 1: There is video taken of him being pulled over in

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Speaker 1: Just then you were hearing the Chaffee County Shriff speaking.

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Speaker 1: But now take a listen to and Rhio Sloan Dickeye

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Speaker 1: at ABC did verse seven investigators executed nearly two hundred

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Speaker 1: Susanne Morphey's disappearance over the past year, and today finally

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Speaker 1: an arrest Susanne was reported missing on Mother's Day last year.

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Speaker 1: She went for a bike ride, never came back, and

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Speaker 1: even though we now know there has been an arrest,

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Speaker 1: the vast We can hardly find out anything else. Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to Jay Gray NBC. For the better part

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Speaker 1: Morphew never made it home from a twenty twenty Mothers

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Speaker 1: of husband Barry Mooreph You're joining me an all star

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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know now and

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Speaker 1: decipher the details who are being given. Tyson Draper on

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Speaker 1: the case at the very beginning. He is with the

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Speaker 1: Draper Brothers YouTube channel. He recorded Barry Morphew at the

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Speaker 1: location where Suzanne's bike was found. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: We're noown psychiatrists joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold at doctor at Angela Arnold MD dot com.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, director of the Coldcase Research Institute at Coldcasecrimes

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Speaker 1: dot org and now starting in a new podcast, Choir Practice,

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Speaker 1: and believe me, it has got nothing to do with Church.

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Speaker 1: Hym's Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath

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Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon, and star of a brand new

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Speaker 1: series on the Tree Crime Network, Poisonous Liaisons Joseph Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 1: But first to Fox twenty one News reporter Lauren Sharff

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Speaker 1: a huge article she has just posted where she interviewed

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Speaker 1: Suzanne's sister, Lauren Sharff. Let's first of all, start with

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Speaker 1: what we learned and what we didn't learn at the

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Speaker 1: and they said that it is an open investigation. Nancy.

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Speaker 1: good idea, Tyson, I got a really good idea, Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 1: forensic pathology and elements of the body. I'm really wondering

426
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: maybe we don't have a body in this case. However,

427
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if they haven't come across an area and

428
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: I'm thinking specifically out where that bike made contact with

429
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: another vehicle. If there was, say, for instance, a copious

430
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: amount of blood out there, or that they found it

431
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: somewhere else, that would deem this or her just her person.

432
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: Hang on her person. I've never collided with anybody that. Look,

433
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: how do we know that? How do we know that

434
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: charged with murder and he wasn't. I think I think

435
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: that they have come across some kind of biological sample

436
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: at some point in time that would make her incompatible

437
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: or to make her absence incompatible with life. She's been

438
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: gone too long. Okay, you got to shut it down.

439
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: I think you're trying to say you believe they found

440
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: so much blood somewhere that she could not have survived. Yeah,

441
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: and they would call that incompatibility with life. Yeah, I

442
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: would call it finding so much blood that she's not alive.

443
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: That's what I would call it. Crime stories with Nancy Grace,

444
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: Suzanne Morphew's husband Barry Morpheus, now being charged with murder,

445
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: got a lot of questions, including who's that redhead. He's

446
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 1: been hanging out with much younger redhead and it's not

447
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: his daughter. Curious. First of all, take a listen to

448
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: Mormon on Doctor Phil This is the brother Andy Mormon

449
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: the EBI information. When instructed in the lineup, Phil, he

450
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: said he's all her at five am, and he did not.

451
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: And how do you know that testimony from an employee

452
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: that he was rambling down the road texting people at

453
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: four in the morning, trying to get him to go

454
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: to Broomfield and so can't be at home at five

455
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: and talking to somebody on the road at four, right,

456
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: just so that the timeline doesn't add up at all,

457
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: not at all. You've got two nieces, Mallory who's now

458
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: twenty two and Macy who's sixteen. Would she go off

459
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: writing by herself or would she be in contact with them?

460
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: Would she go off the radar for seven days and

461
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: have no social media presence, no presence electronically for that

462
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: period of time with her daughters? Now? Absolutely? Ah, you

463
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: were here hearing our friend doctor Feels speaking to Suzanne's

464
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: mother brother. But that's not all that he said. Take

465
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: a listen to the brother speaking to KdV RTV. Listen.

466
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: I think she was abducted Saturday, not Sunday. I don't

467
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: think she ever got on her bicycle. If you want

468
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: the truth of matter, I expect that she was killed

469
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: and hidden somewhere in the mountains and her husband not

470
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: involved in this search. Have you talked to him? What's

471
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,239
Speaker 1: the relationship there? I have not talked to him. He

472
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: was invited into the search by Profiling Evil and he

473
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: did not respond. We ran into him yesterday and he

474
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: was out hanging trail cams with a shotgun on his

475
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: shoulder and just kind of told us, you know, hey,

476
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: you're about to step on private property. So we turned

477
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: around and went back. We did uncover some things on

478
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: that mountaintop close to the home yesterday that are being

479
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: processed by CBI and the Sheriff's department, and we hope

480
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: to find more today. Do you think anyone would want

481
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 1: to hurt Susanne? No, I really don't. I'm afraid this

482
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: is domestic abuse. To be honest with you, I can

483
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: tell you this much. Sheryl McCall him if somebody accused

484
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: me of domestic or child abuse, I would sue the

485
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: living pants off them that day. But even after Suzanne's

486
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: brother and he said it on Doctor Phil, he said

487
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: it to k d v R TV. I think, Barrymoreph,

488
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: you killed my sister, and I think it was domestic abuse.

489
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 1: Not a peep I would have had him strung up

490
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: on the flagpole. And I knew, but nothing. It ain't

491
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: not a word, it ain't was said. It ain't slander

492
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: if it's true. So he's gonna still him for what

493
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: he knows the truth. And here's something else. There's evidence

494
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: on that bicycle, there's evidence at the house, and there's

495
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: evidence on that bobcat. And I'm going to paraphrase you

496
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: when you were my pro lawder, we had a case

497
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: that was straight up circumstantial. You looked at that jury

498
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: and you said, he's a killer. Don't reward him for

499
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: being good at it. We don't need a body. We

500
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: got everything else. You know. I've always been curious, Laurence Sharp,

501
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: and I haven't ever really gotten an answer, although I

502
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: think I know the answer. Who started the whole bike

503
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: scenario to start with? I thought Barrymorephey was out of

504
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: town either at continuing firefighter education whoops, now on a job.

505
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: He made up that morning at four am and he

506
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: called the neighbor lady. Did he tell her Susanne maybe

507
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: out on her bike? Where did that come from? You're right, Nancy,

508
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: Barry told me that he, you know, asked her to

509
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: look for Susan's car. The car was in the garage.

510
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: And then after, hey, it's the bike there, you know,

511
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 1: he said, Hey, maybe I asked her. Yeah, I might

512
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: have asked her if her bike was there. And so

513
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: it sounded like he started it exactly and then what

514
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: a surprise, Tyson, Draper, there was the bike. Yep, it

515
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: was Barry that that planted that idea. I want to

516
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: figureback off of what the other gentleman said a while

517
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: the goal if you don't mind about them maybe finding

518
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 1: a copious amount of material or whatever. I agree with

519
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: that because and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong.

520
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: But it isn't it unusual that law enforcement haild Barry

521
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: Morpheu's house for three weeks they found something there, because

522
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: I've talked to people that were at the original search,

523
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: Barry Morphy's friends. It came from Indiana, and they said,

524
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: as soon as they walked into the house, it smelt

525
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: a strong odor of bleach. Barry within there cleaning up

526
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: something in that house. And I don't think they would

527
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: have held it for three weeks, do you Well, you're

528
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: absolutely right, Tyson, And they did hold it for several weeks,

529
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: and I saw them taking out paper bags of evidence.

530
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean, doctor Angela Arnold, you're the psychiatrist, You're the

531
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: m D. I'm just a JD. But isn't it odd

532
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: how so many husbands turned into real neat nicks as

533
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: soon as their wife goes missing bleach laundry, I mean,

534
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: tearing up the carpet and replacing it. It's amazing how

535
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: that happens. Right, Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure they don't

536
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: even know what bleach is until it comes to something

537
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: like this. Right, I'm sure they've never cleaned to toilet

538
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: with bleach or anything like that, you know. Oh hey, now, hey,

539
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: now guys, what about the redhead? Can somebody tell me

540
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: about this woman? Anybody jump in? Draper? Lauren Sharp? Who

541
00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: is she? She's a friend, a really good friend of Susanne.

542
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: And she was talking to Barry those pictures I've seen

543
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: him from the Daily Mail. She was talking to Barry

544
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: and confronting him about what was going on. Did she

545
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: have to confront him twice? Once in a restaurant and

546
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: then once in his truck? I think he drove her

547
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 1: to the restaurant. Well, it would be a cold day

548
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: in h e double Well before I'd getten a loan

549
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 1: in a car with a truck with Barry Moore few

550
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: but hey, that's just me, guys. So much we've learned

551
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: about the also significance of her going missing on Mother's Day.

552
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: You know, I've never gotten an answer, and I imagine

553
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 1: Tyson Draper or Laurence Scharf may know the answer. Who

554
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: arranged the camping trip for the two daughters. Well, what

555
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: I heard it was the one of the sisters, one

556
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: of Barry's sisters. And I don't I've never had an

557
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: official confirmation on that, but that's what we got on that, Nancy, Okay,

558
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: So he did not arrange the camp shrip correct, that's unclear. No,

559
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: I would say unclear, okay, But if it's his sister

560
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 1: arranging it, he had to talk back and forth with

561
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: her about it. So very curious about that. But I

562
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: do know this. Take a listen to Erica Gonzalez KdV

563
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: Our Fox thirty one. A co worker of Suzanne's husband

564
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: came forward with this new information about the hotel room

565
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: in Broomfield. Jeff Pucket said, and barrymoreph, you told him

566
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: to go to Denver. However, Pucket says that he didn't

567
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: see moreph you because he had already left due to

568
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: a family emergency. A pucket told The Daily Mail that

569
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: when he got into the Holiday Inn on May tenth,

570
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: the room smelled like chlorine and it was scattered with

571
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: wet towels. He also said that he found a pile

572
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: of mail inside of that room, including a letter about

573
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: property insurance, which he says he later turned over to

574
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: the FBI. A manager at the hotel confirmed they do

575
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: not use chlorine to clean guest rooms and have handed

576
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: security footage over to least Additionally, the hotel told her

577
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 1: news partner the pool was also closed because of COPD nineteen.

578
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: So Zen Morphy was a pretty busying back on Mother's Day.

579
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't realize, said the home. In addition

580
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: to this hotel room smelling chlorine, at the home also

581
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: smelled of bleach. There you have it, Cheryl McCollum, that's

582
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: what you were saying. That the information that's taken off

583
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: the nav the navigation system within Barry Morphy's old truck,

584
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: will reveal he was already on the road to the

585
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: made up job that nobody seemed to know about until

586
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: that morning, when he said he was back at the

587
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: house kissing her goodbye on Mother's Day. So right there,

588
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: the story is not driving. It's not driving. And what

589
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: he was doing in that hotel room was cleaning the

590
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: tools that he used to get rid of her wit.

591
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Nancy, they've got copious amounts of blood.

592
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: It's incompatible with life. I hate to keep saying that,

593
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: but you don't go to all of these locations, take

594
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: this much time and left this much evidence without there

595
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: being something. The key to this is that they don't

596
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: know where he deposited her. There is evidence that blood

597
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: has been spilled, I'm telling you, somewhere along the way,

598
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: and they're gonna be able to pry and I think

599
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: that they have typed that blood, they were able to

600
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: type that blood, and they're gonna be able to tie

601
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: it back to her and say that that is her.

602
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: And if these instruments that Mack is talking about, and

603
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: he did a crappy job of cleaning them, you know,

604
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: why clean them? Why not just throw them away? Well,

605
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: he's cleaned them, so maybe he's retained them because you know,

606
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: he works with his hands, he likes his tools. He

607
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: still got them. I bet he doesn't have them anymore.

608
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: You know who does have them? Colorado State prom And

609
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: think about what's following all that evidence you just heard about.

610
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: This is the classic case where the cover up is

611
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: evidence of the crime. So what we're doing, if you're

612
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: going to look for blood, we're gonna follow every place

613
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: he used the leech and chlorine and everything else. That

614
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: seems to be the way. We're sort of going to

615
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: work backwards and find the crime through it. But it's

616
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: the cover up, like a head job trying to get

617
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: any sintilla of blood evidence. What were you saying, Nancy?

618
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: This is also an example of somebody that is not

619
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: a criminal career killer, like a hitman. If he killed

620
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: her in that home and she bled on the carpet

621
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 1: and he got rid of the carpet and then clean

622
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: the wood, he has no idea about loom and all

623
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: he has no idea that could seep under the baseboard

624
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: and all you got to do is remove it, and

625
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: her blood is right there in the wood underneath. If

626
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: it's not treated, they can extract DNA from it. You

627
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: know at the game, let me let me throw this

628
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: out to Joe Scott, well, everybody at the gate go.

629
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: I would have assumed that he would have strangled her

630
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: asphyxiated her somehow, But that would have required him looking

631
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: her in the eyes, which makes me now think the

632
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: two of you are correct that it was a bloody

633
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: current scene because I don't think he's got the backbone.

634
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: Let me say, in a nice way, to look her

635
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: in the eyes and kill her. Go ahead. You know this,

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Speaker 1: this is my thought. You know, this is a big,

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Speaker 1: strapping guy. You know, you see all the pictures of him.

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Speaker 1: It looks like some kind of you know, gym rat.

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Speaker 1: You know when you take a look at him, I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking I was thinking the same thing. Why not just

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Speaker 1: wrap your hands around her tiny little throat and choke

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Speaker 1: the life out of her? That you've been thinking about

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Speaker 1: this way too much? Well, I have been, And this

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Speaker 1: is this goes more to Angela. But I gotta tell you,

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Speaker 1: this gives me an indication if if, if what we're

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Speaker 1: saying is plausible and there's a lot of blood, this

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Speaker 1: goes to passion, and did he beat the hell out

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Speaker 1: of this poor woman? And then now, like Mack was saying,

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Speaker 1: he's dragging her all around and he's thinking, oh god,

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Speaker 1: I gotta cast a wide net to get rid of

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Speaker 1: all of this physical evidence. I know I've seen something

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Speaker 1: on Crime Chows about depositing, you know, leaving behind biological evidence.

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Speaker 1: Now I got to go behind myself, and he's cut

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Speaker 1: a wide swath. Oh how I would like to see

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Speaker 1: him on some surveillance video buying that bleach. We wait

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Speaker 1: as justice unfalse Nancy Grace Crimes story, signing off goodbye friend,