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Speaker 1: I, for one, am not scared of AI.

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Speaker 2: That AI huh yep. Nice.

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Speaker 3: And if my mother shows me one more thing on

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Speaker 3: Instagram and says Kadeen, is this real or is this AI,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna lose it.

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Speaker 1: Dead Ass.

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Speaker 4: It all started with real talk, unfiltered, honest, and straight

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Speaker 4: from the heart. Since then, we've gone on to become

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Speaker 4: Webby award winning podcasters in New York Times bestselling authors.

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Speaker 3: Dead Ass was more than a podcast for us. It

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Speaker 3: was about our growth, a place where we could be vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: Be raw, or but most apportly be us.

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Speaker 3: But as we know, life keeps evolving and so do

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Speaker 3: we and through it all, one thing has never changed.

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Speaker 5: This is.

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Speaker 2: Because we got a lot to talk about.

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Speaker 4: So story time, I'm gonna keep this very very short

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Speaker 4: because it happened recently. I was talking to a bunch

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Speaker 4: of other dads at a basketball game, typically when we

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Speaker 4: start talking, and one of the dads was like, hey, man,

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Speaker 4: do y'all hear about what's going on out there in

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Speaker 4: the world, And I'm like, no, what happened? One of

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Speaker 4: their friends recently got divorced, met a young lady online,

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Speaker 4: starts talking to the lady long distance, relationship, sharing photos,

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Speaker 4: Sharing pictures and video leads to sharing cash app. Long

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Speaker 4: story short, shorty was AI.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't like a dating app or anything.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a dating app.

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Speaker 2: Where does one.

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Speaker 3: Find an aid scammer?

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Speaker 1: Well, scammers are now using AI too.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's no different than the dudes they used

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Speaker 4: to call in the phone sex hotline, and they call

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Speaker 4: it because they just want some companionship.

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Speaker 1: It's the same thing.

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Speaker 4: It's like, Hey, the conversations where Hey, I'm getting picked

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Speaker 4: out of my apartment.

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Speaker 1: Monkey was AI.

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Speaker 4: I'm getting kicked out of my apartment. Do you have

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Speaker 4: fifteen hundred dollars that can help me?

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Speaker 1: It would help me?

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Speaker 6: Da da da.

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Speaker 4: I'm an influencer going like just giving the other person

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Speaker 4: all of these reasons why they would need to send

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Speaker 4: them money, and him thinking that he's helping out a

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Speaker 4: young lady is just sending money to the cash app,

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Speaker 4: and then it turns out that the whole thing was

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Speaker 4: just AI. This is happening to people, guys.

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Speaker 3: This is not always like I always wonder how that works,

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Speaker 3: Like you don't want to actually physically see this person

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Speaker 3: before you decide to send money, Like how does.

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Speaker 4: That work to me honest, anybody that gets scammed sometimes

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Speaker 4: I'm asking myself, like, how did that happen to you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So, but I could imagine if you're an older person.

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Speaker 4: You you know, this person is in their fifties, you know,

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Speaker 4: in their fifties, doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Know much about computer, just got divorced. This is how the.

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Speaker 4: Young kids do it nowadays, middle tension. You know they're

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Speaker 4: out there in the dms. This person thought that they

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Speaker 4: were doing their thing.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I don't got no white

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Speaker 1: no more. I'm on here in these streets. I'm about

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Speaker 1: to sugar daddy it up.

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Speaker 2: He got a digital girl, You got a digital girl?

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Speaker 1: Why are you paying people that we haven't seen yet?

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Speaker 2: That's my thing. But I mean, I guess loneliness can

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Speaker 2: make you do things right.

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, if they play on somebody's emotions. Think

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Speaker 1: about it. All the people who get scammed, the typically

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Speaker 1: elderly people who they play on your emotions.

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Speaker 4: They tell you somebody in your family got something and

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Speaker 4: they just need to send.

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Speaker 1: This money quick.

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Speaker 4: And it's never it's never like a random like send

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Speaker 4: me ten thousand dollars. It's like, go, I need seven

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Speaker 4: hundred and thirty six dollars. It sounds real, and it's

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Speaker 4: like to some people, it's like, oh, seven hundred dollars

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Speaker 4: is not that bad to.

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Speaker 1: Some people, you know, So you sending seven hundred every

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Speaker 4: And then it grows to the point where it's like, Yo,

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Speaker 4: you were scammed over tens of thousands of dollars. And

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Speaker 4: it wasn't till your friends had to point out that

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Speaker 4: all the pictures of video you sending me is the

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Speaker 4: same girl with different outfits, like, this is not real

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Speaker 4: and that's what happened to this person, that it wasn't real.

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Speaker 3: And if you got ten people that you can scam

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Speaker 3: out of seven hundred and thirty six dollars, baby, that's

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Speaker 3: a quick little seven grand.

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Speaker 5: Making some money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess there's a market for it.

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Speaker 3: Huh.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of markets, because you brought up some thing about

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Speaker 4: digital girls, I want to read something for you guys

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Speaker 4: before we go into I'm with. This part goes like this,

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Speaker 4: my homies never seen you, but I always got you

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Speaker 4: right here for me. Yeah, talk to my Louis computer bag.

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Speaker 4: I'll type you a message full of you, shoot me

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Speaker 4: a video, and then upload. Even though I hate this distance.

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Speaker 4: It keeps me persistent. One day I'll have your ass

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Speaker 4: in this kitchen.

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Speaker 7: My digital girl, girl Girl girl girl girl.

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Speaker 2: That dil.

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Speaker 1: Good good, she's a scambal.

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Speaker 3: H. She is a big heart back man on the

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Speaker 3: computer screen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, a big hardback man, dry top mon.

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Speaker 4: I won't show y'all my foot bottom, but it's dry trusting.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to Jabi Fox.

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Speaker 5: Y'all know how I.

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Speaker 2: Feel about that man. I love him down.

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Speaker 3: That was an awesome album, too awesome, awesome. All right, y'all,

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Speaker 3: let's take a break. We go pay some bills. Uh,

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Speaker 3: hopefully don't get scanned in the process, and we'll be

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Speaker 3: back with op or no ods.

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Speaker 2: So stick around, y'all. All right, trips, take it away.

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Speaker 5: All right? So AI Bruce Willis.

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Speaker 7: So, something I heard recently was actors are now selling

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Speaker 7: their likeness to be used with AI so that they

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Speaker 7: can be inserted into commercials and potentially film in the future.

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Speaker 7: And one of the actors to do that is Bruce Willis.

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Speaker 7: If you know, Bruce Willis has dementia. He has a phasia,

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Speaker 7: which makes it hard for him to communicate, and so

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Speaker 7: they've sold his likeness and he appeared in a Russian

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Speaker 2: Ye who sold it and how much he got paid.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how much he got paid.

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Speaker 4: His estate sold his likeness because he if he got

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Speaker 4: demension and he he can.

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Speaker 7: He sold his image rights in twenty twenty two. That

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Speaker 4: He must have known it was going to get bad. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so he sold it, so that I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, decision.

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Speaker 5: But what do you think about actors doing it in general?

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Speaker 3: If y'all going AI, me, at least it looked like me,

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Speaker 2: It's a AI. Look, I mean, it has the essence

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Speaker 3: It's one floating around right now? Devour Crystal and a

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Speaker 3: image floating around with you, guys. I guess they're trying

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Speaker 3: to forwardthink what will happen when Fatima has the baby

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Speaker 2: It still looks amazing. The baby is adorable.

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Speaker 3: But baby, I don't know who that man is saying

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Speaker 3: it ain't Zach looks more like that Zach.

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Speaker 1: It's not Zach.

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Speaker 3: It gives like your head shape, but the features are

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Speaker 3: is checking. But that's why the strike happened because a

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Speaker 3: lot of the AI things were negotiations.

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Speaker 2: What was that last year, Yeah, with sag and all that.

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Speaker 4: So it's interesting because remember when theater was just the thing,

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Speaker 1: A lot of actors at that time were concerned.

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Speaker 4: If you have penny movies and people can just pay

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Speaker 4: if it would kill the theater. It proved that it

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Speaker 4: didn't kill the theater. The theater is still thriving as

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Speaker 4: it is today. But I think there are some concerns

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Speaker 4: Take someone's face and put anything on their pause, in

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Speaker 4: aware of the fact that the world is constantly changing

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Speaker 4: We have to find a way to monitor it. But

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Speaker 4: I can't see myself selling my likeness because I don't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my biggest thing I'm wondering. Do y'all feel

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Speaker 3: they are. I actually went to a meeting at Jackson School.

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Speaker 3: going to have a job because within those four years

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Speaker 3: those positions have now been taken over by AI.

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Speaker 2: So it's going to be interesting to.

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Speaker 3: See how the future for our children and what the

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Speaker 3: if now they're going to be AI taking over these,

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Speaker 4: I think we just have to train our kids to

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Speaker 4: understand thechnology. For example, when my father was growing up,

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Speaker 4: it was C plus plus and mainframing, and then when

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Speaker 4: plus plus, there was no more mainframing. It's like technology

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Speaker 4: is always changing. So now they're teaching the kids how

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Speaker 4: to teach our kids how to cold and understand this

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Speaker 4: AI stuff. Josh were sitting over here one day a

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Speaker 4: is it called a calculator, you know how we just

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Speaker 1: When A and I broke up, KID came.

448
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Speaker 4: Back into my life when we were around twenty five.

449
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 4: He was sincere and genuinely remorseful about how things ended

450
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,920
Speaker 4: in college, and I decided to give him another chance.

451
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 1: It seemed like.

452
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 4: Fake because the breakup with A was my first real

453
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,159
Speaker 4: relationship and I was deeply hurt, and I prayed so

454
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 4: hard for a man of certain honorable qualities to show

455
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 4: up in my life. About three months later, Kid spins

456
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 4: the block. Most of our relationship the second time around

457
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 4: was long distance. I was pursuing my master's degree in

458
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 4: the States and he was overseas in the military. We

459
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 4: visited each other as much as possible and stayed in

460
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 4: constant communication. Eventually we got engaged, and once I graduated,

461
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 4: we got married and we moved in together. Recently celebrated

462
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Speaker 4: six months of marriage. We're both twenty eight now. When paper,

463
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 4: my husband checks so many important boxes. He's a provider,

464
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Speaker 4: financially stable, can be spiritually present at times, protective, honest, dependable,

465
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Speaker 4: and we share strong values. I feel safe with him

466
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 4: and compatible in many ways, and I respect him deeply.

467
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,120
Speaker 4: But I'm afraid we lack chemistry, which I noticed during

468
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Speaker 4: much of our long distance relationship. But I figured once

469
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Speaker 4: we moved in things could possibly change, or maybe it

470
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 4: can be overlooked. Would I admire so much about your relationship,

471
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 4: the fund that spark the ease and how you connect

472
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 4: and communicate feels missing in mind. I connect by being goofy, playful, witty,

473
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 4: sarcastic and animated, not like me. My husband is very stoic, reserved,

474
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 4: and socially awkward, long winded, and logical. Over time, our

475
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 4: personalities have started to clash. I often feel like I'm

476
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 4: carrying the emotional and conversational energy in the relationship, as

477
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 4: most of my advances to bright light, to bring light,

478
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 4: banter or playfulness into our relationship is met with dead ass,

479
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 4: unresponsiveness or I'm not in a joking mood, which I

480
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 4: reply in my head, when are you ever I've tried

481
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,000
Speaker 4: to talk to him about this more than once, but

482
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Speaker 4: I'm struggling with the feeling that chemistry isn't something you

483
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Speaker 4: can coach. It feels either natural or it isn't, and

484
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Speaker 4: that's been hard for me to reconcile. It hasn't been

485
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Speaker 4: all bad. We do have moments of fun, but not

486
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Speaker 4: a lot. My dilemma is this, I feel like I'd

487
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Speaker 4: be walking away from a lot if I leave a

488
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 4: good man's stability, shared values in a marriage I didn't

489
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Speaker 4: take lightly. But I'm also afraid that if I stay,

490
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 4: I'll grow resentful, emotionally stiff or stifled, and slowly losing

491
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Speaker 4: parts of myself. How do you just concern whether this

492
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 4: is something that you can grow with time and intentionality,

493
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Speaker 4: or whether it's a fundamental incompatibility.

494
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Speaker 1: How do you honor.

495
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 4: Both commitment and emotional truth when they feel it odds?

496
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Speaker 4: Thank you for the space you create for these conversations.

497
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Speaker 2: Very well written. First of all, did you check GPT this?

498
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Speaker 3: I want to know you know the thing that stood

499
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 3: out to me here in this entire thing, things could

500
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Speaker 3: possibly change.

501
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 2: Or maybe it can be overlooked.

502
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 3: Never enter into a relationship feeling like things are going

503
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 3: to change or be overlooked. That is the biggest mistake

504
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Speaker 3: of all I know several people who have entered into

505
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: relationships marriage thinking, oh, over time, he or she will adapt,

506
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 3: things will change, it'll get better.

507
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Speaker 2: That's not really who they are. When someone shows.

508
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 3: You who they are in the very beginning, be willing

509
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 3: to say, you know what, I can accept and live

510
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 3: with this person happily if things were to never change.

511
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 3: And I think that's probably where you went wrong with

512
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Speaker 3: this checking all the boxes you think about, like that

513
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 3: eighty twenty that people talk about, You're going to find

514
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 3: someone who probably has eighty percent of the things that

515
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 3: you love, which are the things you listed here, But

516
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 3: then there's that missing twenty percent. I feel like you're

517
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 3: missing twenty percent is something that gives that spark and

518
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 3: to your point, gives that chemistry, that something and you

519
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: can't jog up a lot of times that person is

520
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: who they are. So that's it's a hard one.

521
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Speaker 2: I think this is a hard one, do you think, Babe?

522
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Speaker 4: No, I actually agree with you when it said that

523
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 4: she felt like the other that she was describing the

524
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 4: other guy has that thing. You know what I'm saying

525
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 4: that me and my husband don't have that connection, but

526
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 4: he checks the boxes. Yeah, which means it kind of

527
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 4: feels like you settled because you want to go the

528
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 4: safe route rather than choosing someone you really really adore

529
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 4: in love. And the hardest thing about life is doing

530
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,239
Speaker 4: life feeling like you settled, Oh for sure, because that's

531
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Speaker 4: when resentment grows.

532
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Speaker 3: In comparison being the thief of joy because now you

533
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 3: know you can step away from Kid to get with A,

534
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 3: and then A was a fun time and then now

535
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 3: you're back with Kid thinking you find parts of A

536
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 3: with him and you didn't. And you can't hold that

537
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,360
Speaker 3: against Kid because he kind of was always.

538
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 2: That for you.

539
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: I agree what you said was right.

540
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 4: Getting into a relationship thinking oh, this will change over

541
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 4: time is the first step to disaster, because if that

542
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 4: person doesn't change, now you stuck.

543
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 3: I'm curious to know what the conversations look like when

544
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: you say you carry a majority of the emotional and

545
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 3: conversational energy. Can you decipher his demeanor.

546
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 2: Him being more stoic and more reserved.

547
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 3: Is that because of things that may have happened in

548
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 3: his life, for example, that he may have to work

549
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 3: through to kind of lighten the mood for him. Is

550
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 3: he carrying any kind of burdens that he's dealt with.

551
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 3: Is there something going on currently that's maybe stifling him?

552
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: It may be worth the conversation to say, you know, hey, babe,

553
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 3: like the times I try to like joke with you

554
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 3: or take things light, it seems as if there's something

555
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 3: very heavy on you, like, you know, do you want

556
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 3: to talk about that? Maybe therapy might be an option

557
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 3: or that just maybe him. We know some people who

558
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 3: are just socially awkward.

559
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: Also the change of environment.

560
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 4: They were long distance relationship and now they moved in together.

561
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 4: That often causes an issue with people, Like when y'all

562
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 4: did things away from each other and it's like, okay,

563
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 4: that joke didn't land. I'm gonna go and get off

564
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 4: the phone and you have your space. But now the

565
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 4: joke didn't land, and you're still staring at me in

566
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 4: the face, and you know what I'm saying, it's different

567
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 4: because then it's just like when you're not in the mood,

568
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 4: and what if he's like, what are you talking about?

569
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 4: Then it's an argument.

570
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 6: No.

571
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 4: So I think just the change of environment, maybe it

572
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 4: just takes some time for them to learn how to communicate.

573
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Speaker 2: That's why I'm always a proponent.

574
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 3: I forget who I always speaking too recently, but I'm like, yo,

575
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 3: I'm always a proponent live with that person before you

576
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 3: decide to get married. See what that shit feels like

577
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 3: to be with somebody when neither of you can.

578
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: Go anywhere else, You can't escape for what's currently happening.

579
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 3: And you both live in the same space now, so

580
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 3: nobody can't go anywhere.

581
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 2: So what is that going to look like?

582
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 3: You know, you can't go back to your your designated corners.

583
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 3: So I'm always an advocate for that. I know people

584
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 3: call it shacking up, and that's what they used to

585
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: say back in the day, But baby, shack the fuck up,

586
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: so you know exactly what you're gonna be dealing the

587
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 3: fuck with, you know.

588
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 5: That's what Bill Hooks talks about.

589
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 7: I can't remember the exact quote, but she talks about

590
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 7: love actually being like how you kind of treat someone

591
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 7: when you don't when they're getting on your nerves, Like

592
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 7: not when everything is good, but like when you don't

593
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 7: necessarily want to be around them or you don't like them,

594
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 7: but you love them, Like how do you treat them?

595
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 6: How?

596
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 7: How did you know, do you still can you still

597
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 7: love them in that situation?

598
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 5: Right?

599
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 4: That's a good point. That's a good point because a

600
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 4: lot of marriages dealing with someone when they're not in

601
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 4: your best life. That is an absolute fact. If you

602
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 4: can love somebody when they get in on your nerves,

603
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 4: that's somebody you can do life in perpetuity with.

604
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 2: That's a fact.

605
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: That is a fact.

606
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 3: We're the staple for that, I think because we love

607
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 3: each other. No, just like we've had moments that we

608
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 3: worked through, because we just genuinely love each other and

609
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: like each other, you know what I'm saying. Like hardships come,

610
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 3: but that's at the root of it. We just love

611
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: each other.

612
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,719
Speaker 4: I'm glad you said that because Kevin on stage are

613
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 4: posted something that said, how come all of the happy,

614
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 4: happily married people.

615
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: Gate keep what it is?

616
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 4: And a woman said, it's because if I told you

617
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 4: as a wife what I did to be in this relationship,

618
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 4: and my husband told you what he did to be

619
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 4: in this relationship, y'all will call us submissive and assent

620
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 4: and we're not trying.

621
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: To hear from you.

622
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: Remember that was a former episode of our.

623
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Speaker 4: Submissively the same thing, but my thing is too, Like, yeah,

624
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 4: there's certain things you're just going to put up with

625
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 4: in your relationship because you love that person. Absolutely, You're

626
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: not asking anyone else to agree with you. It's like,

627
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 4: that's my wife, right, and if my wife wants to

628
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 4: do this, I want to put up with it because

629
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 4: that's my wife. I don't expect everyone else to put

630
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 4: up with that with their wives, right, But that's my wife, right.

631
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Speaker 3: He needs an example, I think, like like, for example,

632
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: Melissa doesn't make his plate. That's not what they do.

633
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: He makes his own plate, He eats when he's ready, Like,

634
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 3: that's just it. But for other people that might be

635
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: a deal breaker. Life this play or you know, she

636
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 3: just be walking around like so then there's nothing.

637
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: Right or wrong about it.

638
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 3: It's literally within the confines of a sharehouse.

639
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. So man, I don't know. Good luck,

640
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 2: I don't know.

641
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 4: I think the conversation needs to be had. Yeah, and

642
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 4: then once the conversation needs to be had, if they're

643
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 4: willing to mold and bend with each other, I think

644
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 4: that it can work. If they're willing to work with

645
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 4: each other.

646
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: That's how you honor use our questions. How do you

647
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: honor both commitment and emotional truth when they feel at

648
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 3: odds being honest, be honest and real conversations. Yeah, don't

649
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: let it fester, all right, Thanks so much for writing

650
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Speaker 3: in again, very very well written.

651
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Speaker 2: You know, the grammar head in me was very pleased.

652
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Speaker 3: If you want to be featured as a future listener

653
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Speaker 3: letter on one of our episodes, please be sure to

654
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Speaker 3: email us at the Elis Advice at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 4: That's t h e E L L s A d

656
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Speaker 4: V I c E at TIMA dot com.

657
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Speaker 1: I'm about to make that a song.

658
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Speaker 2: I'm about to sun I know you will make it jingle.

659
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Speaker 1: I was trying to find it right now, I ain't

660
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Speaker 1: find it. I'm about to find it though.

661
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Speaker 2: All right, y'all, moment of truth.

662
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Speaker 3: We're talking about AI, the future of digital anybody have

663
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Speaker 3: any moments the goat.

664
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Speaker 1: Under six foot that's my moment.

665
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Speaker 2: That's the fact.

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Speaker 1: It's real easy. Don't be afraid of AI. Listen to

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Speaker 1: what we talked about today.

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Speaker 4: Use it as a tool to help elevate your experience,

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Speaker 4: but don't use it to create your experience.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, I'm going to say, don't rely on it.

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Speaker 3: Still appreciate and look for human connection in things. I

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Speaker 3: think that's ultimately what I think we're missing a majority

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Speaker 3: of the time in this world now is just valuing

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Speaker 3: what that human connection looks like, but still also relying

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Speaker 3: on the digital space because it does help a lot.

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Speaker 2: It's not all doom and gloom, but try to leverage

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Speaker 2: the positives of it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and don't be a loser.

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Speaker 2: Don't start that debate a loser.

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Speaker 6: Embrace uh, embrace the positive AI, I.

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Speaker 7: Would say, before you start posting just silly AI videos,

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Speaker 7: just remember that it uses a lot of energy in water.

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Speaker 1: That is a fact too, because I didn't know that

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Speaker 1: that was just like, I.

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Speaker 4: Didn't know that that. That's kind of crazy if you

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Speaker 4: think about it. If you value life and the earth,

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Speaker 4: you wouldn't just be using chat GPT for one hundred

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Speaker 4: word email. Just write the email.

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Speaker 1: Serious, you can write emails.

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Speaker 5: You definitely don't need to turn yourself into it my bet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The talking babies are cute, but.

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Speaker 1: I don't use that's not that's not my thing.

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Speaker 3: I'm just I know, we just have to stay at

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Speaker 3: breast of it because of the you know, because I

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Speaker 3: don't know where they gonna be a I and from

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Speaker 3: the from his little phones when they get them. So

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