1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show, Thursday edition of 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: the program. I hope all of you are having a 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: fantastic maybe early start to your weekend, I know, or 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: maybe you're still on vacation, you're listening to us on 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: podcasts or picking us up on one of our four 6 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty plus affiliate stations all over the country. 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: We appreciate you spending your Thursday with us. We've talked 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: a lot about major issues going on in the country. 9 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: To start the first hour, Seattle can't even find police 10 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: to investigate grapes. It's crazy. Joe Biden's got a primetime 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 1: address tonight on gun safety, gun control, however you want 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: to classify it. At seven thirty Eastern. We've been talking 13 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: about what the data reflects in terms of where crimes 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,639 Speaker 1: are actually occurring, how they're occurring, and whether or not 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: there is any attempt to lessen that crime. And spoiler alert, 16 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: there mostly is not, because when you go after the police, 17 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: you attack the people who are most responsible for sending 18 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: crime all over the country. But buck Sexton and I 19 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: are in a bit of a bit of a tiff 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: here over the incredible popularity of the Johnny Depp and 21 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: Amber Heard trial. I admit that I got sucked in. 22 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: I started paying attention. I started covertly and secretly reading 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: articles about this trial. When I would finish sometimes our show, 24 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: I would flip it on and watch the testimony. Sometimes 25 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: in prep for this show, I would be sneaking a 26 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: glance over my shoulder at the latest testimony from Johnny 27 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: Depp or Amber Heard. And the numbers reflect that an 28 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of those who pay attention to news were 29 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: also equally all in on this trial. So one eight 30 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: hundred two eight two two eight eight two I am 31 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,919 Speaker 1: offering absolution of a sense. If you were involved among 32 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: those mass individuals who were obsessed with this case or 33 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: grew to care a great deal about this case, you 34 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: can call in and offer your confession. Blackey'm one of them, 35 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: and I gotta tell you from it, Like if I 36 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: want to make this into a big story, I think 37 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: it represents the end of me too. And believe all 38 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: women and we know that this was a crap argument 39 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: in the first place. Four years ago, they used it 40 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: to try to bludgeon Brett Kavanaugh and keep him from 41 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: being becoming a Supreme Court justice. It was all a lie. 42 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: But Amber Heard being rejected this publicly by a jury 43 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: in northern Virginia, Fairfax County, not exactly a woke sorry, 44 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:47,119 Speaker 1: anti woke community, right northern Virginia, liberal leaning community. Fifteen 45 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: million dollars. Now, those numbers pulled back ten million in compensatory, 46 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: five million in punitive. Those numbers pulled back based on 47 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: state law in Virginia and punitive damages. And Johnny Depp's 48 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: agent got hit with the two million in defamation claim. 49 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: But when this jury found that there was actual malice 50 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: involved in clear and convincing evidence that a Washington Post 51 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: editorial had constituted defamation against Johnny Depp, I think it 52 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: was a clarion call signaling the end of hashtag believe 53 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: all women and me too. Now, Buck, you basically have not. 54 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: And by the way, the verdict surprised me because yesterday 55 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: on the show, Buck, when you and I were talking, 56 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: I thought we would see like minimum dollar damages, maybe 57 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: a defamation finding. But effectively, Johnny Depp has bankrupted Amber 58 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: Heard if she ends up having to pay out this settlement, 59 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: and may well have rescued his own career and provided 60 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: a vindication in some way for him based on these allegations. 61 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: And I think anyone out there who was saying Buck 62 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: believe all women or me too, every woman's telling the truth. 63 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: I mean it's a fundamental miscarriage of justice us to 64 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: say believe all men, believe all women, believe all black men, 65 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: black women, Asian men, Asian women, Hispanic whatever, right, And 66 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: so I think this actually is a significant case. But 67 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: I you know, the tawdry details and everything else, I 68 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: was all in on it. I secretly have been a 69 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: big fan. I look, man, you're an honest fellow. You 70 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: like Bluetooth speaker music on the peaceful beach. You know you, 71 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: you would you admit to things, and I appreciate that 72 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: about you. Um yeah, I kicked out of a Little 73 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: League game for God's sakes and came on the radio 74 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: at times. By the way, can I you should put 75 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: out a poll on your on your Twitter d I 76 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: can just see, even even in Clay Travis world, like 77 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: even in your people your followers on social media, how 78 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: many of them are like yeah, Clay, tell that umpire 79 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: what's up? And how many of them you gotta I 80 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: think you could definitely like a thirty thirty percent or 81 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: on my side seventy percent, or again, a lot of 82 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: maybe it's fifty three. A lot of people are just like, hey, 83 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: why would you tell that story? And the honest truth 84 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: is I try to be as honest with my audience, 85 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: this audience, anybody who listens to me as I possibly, 86 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: and sometimes that means you share things that otherwise you'd 87 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I wasn't like not like I was 88 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: excited to get kicked out of a little league game 89 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 1: for I will tell you disputing an awful call. I 90 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: never got a yellow card as a that's not true. 91 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,559 Speaker 1: I got never got a yellow. I got two yellow 92 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: cards as a high school soccer player. That's I I 93 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: that was. I cannot tell a lot. I got a couple. 94 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: I never got a red card though. I never got 95 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: a red card. I got a yellow that was gonna 96 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: be a red. As a coach, though, so because I 97 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: get an official high school match, and you can you 98 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: imagine me. I mean, I'm the guy who sits there 99 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: quietly at sporting events like I just contemplated what happened? 100 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: They got you so fired up? Do you remember? Oh? Yeah, no, 101 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: they the guy one of my one of my guys 102 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: was getting man handled by the other team, a bunch 103 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: of bunch of thugs. Somebody should have checked their their 104 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: IDs for the ages as high school soccer, not you know, 105 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: postgrad college soccer kids had you know, there was kids 106 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: on the other team. It looked like they had five 107 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: kids of their own and had a beard like uh 108 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: like one of the one of the guys from zz Top. Anyway, 109 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: Um yeah, I just I yelled out, you know, if 110 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: they're not going to call anything because the ref is blind, 111 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: we still got to play on something like there might 112 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: have been a curse. I don't know, Clay, it was 113 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: a long time ago. I can get a little salty 114 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: too sometimes. But so the ref stopped, the match, came out, 115 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: the entire match walked over and it was it was 116 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: a playoff game. There were a lot of people on 117 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: the sidelines. Walked over and said one more word from 118 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: you and you're gone, and put Up pulled out the 119 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: yellow card. I was like, whoa, And he said, I 120 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: was deliberately disrespectful. I always remember that that was the 121 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: which you know what fair I was. Actually he did, 122 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: were deliberately disrespecting his awful reffing correct that. Yes, So 123 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: so I you know, I think I actually I'm on 124 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: team Clay Travis on this one without even knowing the facts, 125 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: because a really bad ref can ruin your day. So 126 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: I on the Johnny Depp thing though, which I know 127 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: we were sitting here, you know, Captain Jack Sparrow, there 128 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: are a lot of fun memes that it was the 129 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: day that Amber heard almost captured. Yes, Captain Jack Sparrow 130 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: in court, I'd say this. You ever read this, maybe 131 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: could be added to our our books list. The forty 132 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: eight Laws of Power by Robert Green. No, I don't 133 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: even know that. I'm hurt van tastic book. It's essentially 134 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: an updated Machiavelli for all times. Machi Velli's The Prince 135 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: is one of the most seminal important works of political 136 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: science that you that everybody put it up, Orwell's nineteen 137 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: eighty four machi Velli The Prince on Liberty John Stuart Mill. 138 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: I mean, there are just some things you gotta read, 139 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: you know, some people would say Edmund Burke Reflections of 140 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: the Revolution in France producer Ali, By the way, it's 141 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: like jotting all these ones down, We're gonna have to 142 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: fill these up on close. Are those are ones? By 143 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: the way, that are not going to be beach read. 144 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: Oh those are nerd books. No, No, let's be clear, 145 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: those are nerdre not gonna be like, hey, I'm going 146 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: down to I'm getting away from the family for you know, 147 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: Mife and I are getting away. I totally accurate assessment. 148 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: I'm just you are correct. Those are like you gave me. 149 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: I'm still I'm I'm getting up to page two hundred 150 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: here on Undaunted Courage, which is fast. You could read 151 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: that on the beach was a great Yes, it was 152 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: a beach read. A great book. Forty eight Laws of Power. 153 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: It is actually forty eight laws about human power and 154 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: how manifest and it tells you stories from history to 155 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: illustrate it. But I remember, and I'm paraphrasing one of 156 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: the laws of power, and this is what makes me 157 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: think of this. And I'm telling you all it is 158 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: a Some people say it's like a sociopath's handbook. Whatever, 159 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: it's a really good It's very good about strategy, and 160 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: it's kind of like Sunsue with historical stories in it. Anyway, 161 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: one of the things is cut toxic people out of 162 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: your life, and you have to be absolutely ruthless about 163 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: when someone is when you're you know, you're not talking 164 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: about family members, We're talking about someone you're choosing, whether 165 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: it's a co worker, of romantic interest, when you realize 166 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: someone is toxic, because a toxic person can, if close 167 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: enough to you, destroy anyone. It's one of the lessons 168 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: of the book. Then a coaching energy vampires is another 169 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: way to put that, like if they are sucking all 170 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 1: of your energy out. I mean, that is tremendous advice 171 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: for anybody out there of any age. And when you 172 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: see the Johnny Depp amber heard thing and the point 173 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: of this, that was fascinating. I will say too to 174 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: me from the outside, and I watched very little of it, 175 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: and I just sort of caught the you know, the 176 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: day because we're on air basically when it was going on. Yeah, right, 177 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: we're going to cover it live. I would have watched 178 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: it every day if we weren't on air, Yeah, I would. 179 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: I mean six weeks. I would have been like sitting 180 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: down in front of my chair watching you drink it 181 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: a froze a by the pool, listening to me and 182 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: me and me and the suburban moms in the pickup 183 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: line at school. We would have been breaking down the lay. 184 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: I had a friend, Um, she said, she's in a 185 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: book club. She said, one of the women that's in 186 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: her book club said, We're not even going to do 187 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: a book this week. I'm hosting it. Everybody's coming over. 188 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: We're just talking about the Johnny Depp amber heard trial 189 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: at the book club. So, I mean, it looked this 190 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: became a kind of a cultural phenomenon for you know, 191 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: for a matter of a number of weeks here. And 192 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 1: I just think that for anyone observing this, we live 193 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: in such a celebrity obsessed culture to the point where 194 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: for a lot of people it is really unhealthy, to 195 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: the point where it becomes a waste of time. Like 196 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: your your input, and we all dabble in letting our 197 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: brains go on rest. I'll watch you know, random things 198 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: on Netflix or something. I mean, you know, we all 199 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: I get that. I'm not judging that I do it too. 200 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: But there is a portion of our society that I 201 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: think a celebrity obsessed to a degree where it's it's 202 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: harmful to their psyches because they elevate these people. They 203 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: think they live these amazing lives, having so great. Johnny 204 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: Depp married somebody who and now I'm not saying he's 205 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: an angel by the way at all. I didn't really 206 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: follow up. The number one takeaway is that both of 207 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: these people have toxic aspects of their personality, and together 208 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: they became even more toxic. Was do you ever see 209 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: that the it was a cartoon in a movie of 210 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: the toxic Avenger. You know, it was a toxic waste 211 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: dump of a relationship. This was like the green ooze 212 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: that turned the Turtles into the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles. Like, 213 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: this was a really bad situation. And I just think 214 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: that for people to see Captain Jack Sparrow, who he look, 215 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: he's been so many movies, but that's really the iconic, 216 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's the thing that he made a 217 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: multi billion dollar franchie. Apparently apparently he made six hundred 218 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: million dollars over the course of his career, which is, 219 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: you know, even by Hollywood standard, that's a lot of 220 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: money to make fund as an actor. He had somebody 221 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: who was effectively making his life a living hell every 222 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: day because he made bad personal choices. And at the 223 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: top of the bad personal choice list was who he 224 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: was spending his time with. You have to protect and 225 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: this is just a lesson that I take from it, 226 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: and other people can take from it what they will. 227 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: You have to protect your psyche and protect your time, 228 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: no matter who you are, because toxic people can make 229 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: you miserable, even if you're worth hundreds of millions of 230 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: dollars and are globally famous. So that's my biggest take 231 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: What's what's your biggest takeaway from this trial? But I 232 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,319 Speaker 1: mean the big picture takeaway to me is again, I 233 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: think it has changed the calculus of accusing a man 234 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: of misconduct, whether you believe or disbelieve. But it's too 235 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: surey or not for the me too and to believe 236 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: all women. I mean, Johnny Depp effectively has bankrupted amber 237 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: heard And so if you are a woman out there 238 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: and the power dynamic had become so altered that as 239 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: soon as you said this guy did to me something 240 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: that was inappropriate, it could be criminal, or it could 241 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: be just you know, awkward social interactions, the guy was 242 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: automatically guilty. Right, That's what hashtag Believe all women represented. 243 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: And now in the back of any woman's mind, if 244 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: she is thinking about making allegations, she has to think, 245 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: wait a minute, what if that guy decides to file 246 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: a defamation case against me, he could bankrupt me. Now, 247 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: if women are telling the truth, I think they should 248 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: still come forward. But the idea that women don't lie 249 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: is just a fundamental Everybody out there knows women who lie, 250 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: and by the way, men who lie too. And so 251 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: we had spun so far outside of rational discourse to 252 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: saying we believe you because of your gender. Does Lawyer 253 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: Clay think that in the near future we will see 254 00:12:54,880 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: a high profile allegation of sexual conduct misconduct, I should say, 255 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: sexual misconduct or even a sexual assault that is false, 256 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 1: as has happened with some of the very high profile 257 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: across and then and then, and then we'll result in 258 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: a defamation claim by the accused. Do you think we 259 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: could see that? As you know, do you think the 260 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: shift and mentality is that strong? I look, I think 261 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: that Johnny Depp's lawyers are probably sitting down right now 262 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: saying we won fifteen million. Do we want to push 263 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: more chips in the table and sue the Washington Post 264 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: for publishing this op ed from Amber Heard, which was 265 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: the basis of the defamation case. And I think that 266 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: you will see increasing skepticism that the media is willing 267 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: to embrace. Remember talking about Hollywood, do you remember Matt 268 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: Damon got crushed early in the days of Me Too 269 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: for coming out and saying, hey, there's a difference between 270 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: grabbing somebody's ass and rape, right, which is one hundred 271 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: billion percent true. And he was just saying, hey, we 272 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: have we can't treat everything as if it's some sort 273 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: of seminal violation of me Too, and he got destroyed 274 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: and had to apologize for that. Take. You realize that 275 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: producer greg In there has to have like octopus, you know, 276 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: technicals to deal with all that. 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I'll 305 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: have a lot of thoughts on the Johnny Depp ember 306 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: Heard trial. We've also got to talk to our friend 307 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: Matt Walsh in about thirty minutes or coming at the 308 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: top of the next hour on is amazing new documentary 309 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: which I'm just calling What Is a Woman? But I 310 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: think it has a different name. But it's great. I 311 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: watched it, Clay watched it. I've got David's wage of 312 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: the Atlantic on Masks coming up here in just a 313 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: couple of minutes. But first, Nancy in Texas, Hello, Nancy, 314 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: I'm here. So you were also obsessed. Nancy, you're one 315 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: of the You're one of the millions of people obsessed 316 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: with this trial. I wasn't actually obsessed. I did not 317 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: watch the trial. I watched the jury returned the verdict live, 318 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: but I basically just saw clips online as I went 319 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: along and started developing, you know, an opinion about what 320 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: I was seeing and whose side were you on. Were 321 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: you team Depp or were you team Heard. Well, I 322 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: didn't know who who was telling the truth, and I 323 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: knew that Johnny Depp had, you know, the history with 324 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: the drug of yese and so forth, so I thought 325 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: it was a possibility that, you know, he could have 326 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: done those things. But then the more I got to 327 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: thinking about it, you know, he lost part of the singer. Yeah, 328 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: and his entire career, and I was thinking, what does 329 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: she lose? Yeah, thanks, great point, John, real quick in 330 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: Central Texas. John, we got about forty seconds with you. 331 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: Wanted to get you in your retired trial attorney. Yes, 332 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: I am, and I'm also a rancher here and so 333 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 1: while tending cows, I probably watched seventy percent of the testimony. 334 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: While you're out on the ranch, you were just like 335 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: you were obsessed. You're watching the cows and you're watching 336 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: the trial. Yes, I was in practicing my guitar. Let 337 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: me tell you something. You got twenty seconds, buddy, how 338 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: much twenty seconds? Well, there's there's tens of at least 339 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: ten exceptions to the hearsay rule. The criticisms that I 340 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: have for this, the the the trial advocacy of the 341 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: attorneys is is monumental. 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D. 360 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. You're joined 361 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: now by David Zwig. He's a journalist with The Atlantic 362 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: and New York Magazine. He also has been doing a 363 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: phenomenal job covering the mask insanity that has been going 364 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: on all over the country. And David, I want to 365 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: start with this question for you. The New York Times 366 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: came out after two years of basically lecturing everybody about 367 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: the importance of masks, and they tried to sort of 368 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: finesse the wine here by saying mask mandates don't work 369 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: based on how people wear masks. Did you have some 370 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: sort of vindication or feel some form of vindication when 371 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: that story came out where the New York Times finally 372 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: acknowledged what you've been reporting based on the data for 373 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, Well, I mean, I don't need 374 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: the Times or anyone else to vindicate what I'm doing, 375 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: but I will say this, it's, um, it's rewarding to 376 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: see uh. Well, it's both frustrating and rewarding to see um, 377 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: some things that I've reported on at this point more 378 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: than a year ago, gaining more attraction and attention in 379 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: the mainstream media and then by extension amongst sort of 380 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: quote you know, regular people who who are you know, um, 381 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: reading or watching these news sources. So um, and if 382 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: you've heard that expression, pioneers perish and uh, settlers flourished. 383 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: So as the pioneer, I think I was too early 384 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: for a lot of people on this stuff. David. I 385 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: want to ask you, you know, because so you're you're 386 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: right for the Atlantic, and not to make any assumptions, 387 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: but you know, you have a lot of Democrats and 388 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: liberals who read read your work, so they may not 389 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: listen to me. Maybe maybe you know, they may not 390 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: listen to Clay because of what we say on a 391 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: daily basis and all the rest of it. Could you 392 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: like get together with all the Libs, all the Democrats 393 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: that you know and just be like, guys, you really 394 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: have to stop with this mask thing on the planes? 395 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: Is there? Like, how do we get them? I just 396 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: flew over the weekend. There was a triple masker on 397 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: my plane who looked to be in her thirties. Is 398 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: this has gotten truly bizarre? The data that you've shown. 399 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: I mean I always tell people about the the I'm 400 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,719 Speaker 1: sure you know, but the was it the Spanish school 401 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: system where they had five year olds that were masked 402 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: and four year olds who weren't. And I mean the 403 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: day they've we've run trials all over the place. Are 404 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: people coming over? I mean, are people in New York, 405 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: in DC, in Los Angeles seeing the light here or not? 406 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: I think it's slowly getting toward that, you know, anecdotally, 407 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: you know, it's the sort of quote regular folks in 408 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: sort of you know, liberal strongholds. I think, slowly, slowly, 409 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: are you know finally coming to their senses on some 410 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,719 Speaker 1: of these things. Though, as you know, it's not everyone. 411 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: You know, when you're citing your triple masker on your flood, 412 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I would say that there does appear to 413 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: be decent evidence that someone wearing a very well fitted mask, 414 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: a high quality mask, may may reduce the likelihood of 415 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: getting infected. But it depends how long they're wearing it, 416 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: you know, what type of environment. If you are very, 417 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: very worried about getting infected, and you wear an N 418 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: ninety five and maybe a face shield and you're in 419 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: a grocery store for fifteen minutes, that might be enough. 420 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: But the point that I think Lee and Hart was 421 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: making in his article, and it's one that I've made 422 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: for more than a year now, is there is a 423 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,239 Speaker 1: difference between masks and mask mandates. And it's not just 424 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: about people, you know, not wearing them properly. It's just 425 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: human beings are not the same as a lab test. 426 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, what has happened is not just for masks, 427 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: but for a whole variety of different interventions that the 428 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: government has imposed on us that they've based them oftentimes 429 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: on just you know, on a study of mannequins in 430 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: a lab or you know, something you do in a 431 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: petri dish, when you know relating to to you know, 432 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: certain effects of the vaccine, when you're looking at antibodies 433 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: rather than looking at whether people are going to the 434 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: hospital or not, that they're using this sort of marker 435 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: of a certain effect rather than the effect itself. So 436 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: that to me is the biggest failure of the CDC 437 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: and of public health officials is that instead of actually 438 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: studying these things, like doing a large trial of you know, 439 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: school kids wearing masks in some districts and not in others, 440 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: instead of doing proper trials. Instead they're just pointing to 441 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: these kind of lab studies or these very very cherry 442 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: picked observational studies where you can find, you know, one 443 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: hundred studies that say something different. And for every hundred 444 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: that say you know that say one thing, you find 445 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: the other. David, you're working on a book about the 446 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: decision to shut down schools in March and to keep 447 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: them closed for many people require remote learning. And by 448 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: the way, let me mention this to your point on studies. 449 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: Orange County, just south of LA virtually no masks required. 450 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: LA requires them where I live in Nashville. Kids in 451 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: schools in Nashville had to wear masks, kids in Williamson 452 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: County directly south where we live did not. There was 453 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: no statistical difference in either of those places where you 454 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: have bordering counties based on mask requirements mandates, and not 455 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: where will historically. As you work work through on your 456 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: school analysis, I'm arguing, and I think Buck agrees, this 457 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: is the worst public policy failure since at least Vietnam. 458 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: All the experts saying, hey, we have to shut down schools, 459 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: We have to ensure that these kids are learning remotely, 460 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: it's not safe to do it. Are you in agreement there? 461 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: And the reason why I'm asking this question is everyone 462 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: basically acknowledges Vietnam was a colossal failure. Now the best 463 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: and brightest got it wrong. Is this going to be 464 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: a modern day Vietnam in your mind as people continue 465 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: to see the impact of shutting down schools and how 466 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: disasters has been for so many kids. Yeah, I'm glad 467 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: to hear you, to hear your thoughts on that. I 468 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: agree one hundred percent that you know, and that's what 469 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: prompted me to get involved in this. Two years ago. 470 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: I started doing the research, talking to experts outside the US, 471 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: and very very early on, it was clear that the 472 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: way the risk was presented to children was not correct. 473 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: And very early on we saw that opening schools did 474 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: not lead to a rash of outbreaks all over the place. 475 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: It did not impact the overall community rates throughout Europe 476 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: when they opened schools, so very much so in my 477 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: mind than what I am prepared to argue in a 478 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: very detailed manner is not only that this was an 479 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: enormous catastrophic failure of the United States government and our 480 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: public health apparatus, but I want to explain why it happened, 481 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: because that's the really you know, It's less about trying 482 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: to beat people over the head to prove that this 483 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: was or catastrophe. I think that's fairly obvious, and there 484 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: have been some other reporters who's done some really great 485 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: work showing the harms. To me, what's more interesting is, 486 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, how did this happen? Why did it happen? 487 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: So but to your point about Vietnam, you know, the 488 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: thing that I'm not certain about is how this is 489 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: going to be viewed now. Vietnam, right, there was tons 490 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: of protests and things like that, and we had that here, 491 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: but much less so. And what I worry about is 492 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: is that regardless of what evidence comes out, that if 493 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: the sort of quote establishment doesn't acknowledge this, that it 494 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: may not be viewed in that manner, which would be 495 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: a grave mistake. So hopefully my book can be, you know, 496 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: a ball work against that. David's wage of the Atlantic. David, 497 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: when's the book coming out? Not for a very long time, 498 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: but that's okay. Well, we'll keep in touch until then. 499 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: We'll have you on. Thank you, sir, appreciate your work 500 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: on this. Thanks for having me take care of us. 501 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: He just been doing fantastic work. That's David's wig, and 502 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: I hope that his book will help to alter the 503 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: trajectory of how we talk from a historical perspective about 504 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: the failure here. I want to tell you about how 505 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: to save some money. If your business has five or 506 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: more employees, you manage to survive COVID, you're eligible to 507 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: receive a payroll tax rebate of twenty six thousand dollars 508 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: per employee, so a refund of your taxes, not alone 509 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: no payback on your part. Challenge is knowing how to 510 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: get your hands on it. 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He's out there 528 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: saving the country. He's at rock Star. I think Michael 529 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: Abanati for president in twenty twenty. Looking at the twenty 530 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: twenty you're currently leading the pack among twenty twenty contenders 531 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: on the Democratic side. What do democrats value most? If 532 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: they decide they'd value a fighter, most people would be 533 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: foolish to underestimate Michael Abanati. Can me, you're like the 534 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: Holy Spirit. Michael Labanati is a beast. He's a beast, 535 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: and he keeps popping Donald Trump and all of his 536 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: folks in the mouth repeatedly. He's a beast. He's also 537 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: about to be a prisoner for four years. Folks, welcome 538 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: back to clay en Buck. We have to remind you 539 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: of what a debacle that whole era was under the 540 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: Trump administration, of the journo lib media, the fake news 541 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: elevating Michael Abanati. We just played it for you. He's 542 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: a contender to be president and he's Trump's worst nightmare. 543 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: He's amazing, he's a hero. Well break news, folks, Michael 544 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: Avanati just got a four year prison term for stealing 545 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: defrauding from his client Stormy Daniels, whom he represented in 546 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: his battle with Donald Trump. Four years. Clay, I mean, 547 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: that's a that's a that's a serious sentence. Right, Clearly 548 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: he did some real wrong. He's obviously disgraced, disbarred, But 549 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: it's not so much everybody looked at that guy and 550 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: thought he gave the slimiest lawyers a bad name, like 551 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: the lawyer jokes about the difference between a catfish and 552 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: a lawyer. One's a bottom feeder. He's worse than those jokes. 553 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: Democrats said he should be president. Clay Well, also, it's 554 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: funny to think about didn't sixty minutes interview Stormy Daniels. 555 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: Wasn't that like their big expose one night when her 556 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: story allegations against Trump came out. If you could go 557 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: back in time and set odds and say, hey, somebody's 558 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: going to prison over this Stormy Daniels situation, everybody who 559 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: is as a left winger would have been like, ce, 560 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: I told you it's going to bring Trump down. It 561 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: was actually her lawyer, Stormy Daniel. For people basically have 562 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: forgotten all about Stormy Daniels. That story obviously had a 563 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: lot of salacious details and received a massive amount of attention, 564 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: But there were a lot of people who argued that 565 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 1: Stormy Daniels was going to bring down the Trump presidency 566 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: as a big part because of Michael Avenati who was 567 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: her lawyer, and now he ends up stealing from her 568 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: according to the courts, and is going to jail multi years. 569 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: Can we also remember there was such a desperation I 570 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: always told you know, we talked about the emolument's clause 571 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: and the hamburgers for diplomats at Trump Hotel yesterday. The 572 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: real theory of the case with Stormy Daniels was hush 573 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: money that he paid as a nuisance payoff to Stormy 574 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: Daniels wasn't listed properly on a campaign finance form, and 575 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: so maybe he could be prosecuted and then of course 576 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: removed through impeachment because of what was it like one 577 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars in hush money that wasn't 578 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: listed on a campaign It was a campaign expenditure. Just 579 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: to remind everybody, all these people you see in the 580 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: fancy suits on TV, on CNN and NBC News and everything, 581 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: these people are morons, folks. I mean a lot of them, 582 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: just not not not all of them, but the ones 583 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: that were I mean like ninety percent of them, and 584 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: the ones that we're saying that that Michael Levan Clay. 585 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: I remember when people were interviewing this guy and I 586 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: was like, this is the slimiest, most grotesque, self advancing, unethical, 587 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,959 Speaker 1: scumbag human being. And he was the single most this 588 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: was true, the most frequent guest on CNN's air for 589 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: I think a two or three month period, even bumping 590 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: doctor Fauci off. Look the um, well this is pre Fauci. 591 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah right, But what is crazy here as you break 592 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: all this down is to your point, most media don't 593 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: have original thoughts. So the great, the great lie that 594 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: is often propagated in media is often the derivation of 595 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: people being not confident enough in their own opinions, so 596 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: whatever someone else says, they decide to jump on. You 597 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: could hear all those different names who have their own 598 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: television shows, they were actually just buying into that hype. 599 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: They weren't doing their own research or analyzing any of 600 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: the facts. You know, this book, the number of people 601 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: who I've always said, from a lawyer perspective, the most 602 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: important thing when you argue a case are the facts, 603 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: the facts, the facts, right, because ultimately that's going to 604 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: determine the outcome. To a certain extent, a lot of 605 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: people don't even bother to read the source documents of 606 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: things that they're incredibly opinionated about, of course, and that's 607 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: how so often you can talk about Duke Lacrosse, you 608 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: can talk about, you know, the Johnny Depp trial that 609 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: just happened. You can talk about the Nicholas Sandman, so 610 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: many of these stories that build and grow Ferguson, Frankly, 611 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: George Floyd. The underlying details of the stories are far 612 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: more complicated and nuanced than the public persona and discussion 613 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: of those stories. And so Michael Avenati and the Stormy 614 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: Daniel's mess is to me a perfect representation of that, 615 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: because so few people ever understood anything associated with it 616 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: to a large extent, and they acted like that if 617 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: you were anti Trump, you were you were the Great 618 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 1: Trump was the great Satan, and you were basically Jesus. 619 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: If you were anti Trump in the minds of many 620 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: people in the media. Well, this is also actually it's 621 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: interest you brought up Fauci, because the origins of Fauci 622 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: worship were really a combination of few things. One, the 623 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: mass panic induced largely by the Democrat media because Trump 624 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: was president at the time. You know, the first month 625 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: I get it. We were scared. We saw it was 626 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: in Italy. It looked really bad. But month two, month three, 627 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: it was clear that this was being politicized and used 628 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,959 Speaker 1: as a weapon, and Faucci became Even under a Trump 629 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: presidency and anti Trump, there was such an obsession with 630 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 1: any figure who would be that person that would just 631 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: destroy down and the whole idea. It was so absurd 632 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: and laughable. Is there something that we could sit here 633 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: and talk about a lot of them? I just I 634 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 1: just think it's so funny, Like to the point on Trump, 635 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: it is, what if Trump back in February and March 636 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: had become a big mask guy. Like if you just 637 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: want to play this out, if Trump had said, hey, 638 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 1: you know what, I think everybody should wear a mask, 639 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,479 Speaker 1: Fouci says no, but I think it makes sense now. 640 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: The mask is basically an anti Trump totem in many 641 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: ways and so far left wing symbol. If he had 642 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: said I'm a big mask guy, what it actually ends 643 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: up happening. And I'll tell you I was I opposed 644 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,879 Speaker 1: masks even under the Trump administration, and if Trump had 645 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: been a big mask guy, I would have said, sir, 646 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: I think you're wrong on this the one thing that 647 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: I when I shook his hand at the end of 648 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: talking to the president in the Oval Office in May 649 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty, and I said, sir, no more lockdowns, right, 650 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: Like we can agree that was a bad idea. Wasn't 651 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: saying anything you do is great, sir f No, of 652 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: course not right. And this is the thing. I mean, 653 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 1: even early on, it became so clear that for some people, 654 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: once the political decision was made to science followed that. 655 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 1: For me it was always this is really dumb, right 656 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: when you have the most famous public health official in 657 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 1: the country change his mind entirely on something in two 658 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: weeks based on nothing other than the polls, the data 659 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: and the I'm sorry, the polls and the political need, 660 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: not the data. You know you're being lied to. And 661 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: that's what Fouchi Fauci was the one that set me 662 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: on the path of discovery and reality early on Clay 663 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: because I'm like, this little jerk is a liar. I 664 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: legitimately questioned whether mask would have ever become a thing, 665 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: because I do think a lot of Republicans would have said, yeah, 666 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: it's not really my thing. If the president wants to 667 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: wear him, there's no way left wingers ever adopt the mask. 668 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,919 Speaker 1: If Trump is saying, Hey, I'm a big mask guy, 669 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm a germophobe, I'm going to wear a mask, what 670 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: would things look like today. It's really kind of fascinating 671 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: to think about because the mask is such at this 672 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: point totally worthless, but it's such a symbol of political 673 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: respect that it's become a big deal. Ever come back, 674 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, everyone sees my mask with my 675 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: Biden Harris twenty twenty four that has like holes in 676 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,240 Speaker 1: the mask, and they know I'm serious about the science 677 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: Fleet Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of 678 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: truth