1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're back with another edition of the NFL Player Podcast, 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: and I'm honored to interview and talk to one of 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: my favorite defensive players ever, a former number twenty six. 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: I wore twenty six for a lot of my career 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: until I joined the team with sa Kwon Barkley. But 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: well that's for another that's for another talk, Mike. He 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna give me that number. But the great Rod Woodson, 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: captain of the a f C side of the Pro Bowl. Roight, 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: how you doing? Man? Right? I'm doing awesome. How about yourself? 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: I'm doing great honor to honor to talk to you today. 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: Do some locker room talk to break it down, some 12 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: dB talk, give some fans, hopefully some young UM athletes 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: out there, some insight on the game, and pick your 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: brain a little bit. All right, man, I look forward 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: to her brother. Well, first of all, I hear you 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: resideing in Vegas nowadays. So how about football in Vegas? 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: How's that been with the Raiders moving are and the 18 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl being there and kind of the fan base, 19 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: how's that? How's that coming along? You think a lot 20 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: of good things are gonna happen here in the you know, 21 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: the future when it kurd from football in Las Vegas, 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: when you never really thought about that. I mean, I 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: never pictured a football team being in Las Vegas. I 24 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: don't think too many people really did. But it's here. 25 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: I think the Golden Nights kind of, you know, which 26 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: is the hockey team. They kind of broke everybody into 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: the professional world, uh, several years ago, and now the 28 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: Raiders have been here for a couple of years, and 29 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: a lot of good things are gonna happen to this 30 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: area because of that, because of the NFL being here. 31 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: But you know, the Raiders are They've done a tremendous 32 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: job in the community, going out there and spreading the 33 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: love to the next generation because everybody's trying to figure out, 34 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: you know, are you gonna be a Raider fan? You know, 35 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: where are you from? And I think it's gonna take 36 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: a couple of generations for those kids to kind of 37 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: grow up seeing the Silver and Black, and then they're 38 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: gonna become Abbot fans of the Silver and Black. And 39 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: you hope that that allegiance from from Oakland, one of 40 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: the greatest fan bases, you know, it makes that trip 41 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: as well and supports them because playing there and playing 42 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: in that black hole. I'm sure we all have, but 43 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: the ones are fortunate. It's definitely an experience, probably one 44 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: of the best venues to play. I just with the 45 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: fan energy and what they bring. Yeah, I'll tell you 46 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: what they're traveling. I can tell you that. I can 47 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: tell you that when uh, when the gates start opening up, 48 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: even though you had to get vaccinating, sure your vaccination 49 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: card and all that stuff through clear, they were. They 50 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: were traveling, you know, from l A, the whole West coast, 51 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, just you know in general, you know, being 52 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: from l A, San Diego, the Bay Area, they were 53 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: coming here introves and you know, the black flags were 54 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: flying in the parking lots all over the place, so 55 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,839 Speaker 1: you know, and that's just the taste of it. Uh. 56 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: And then once they start, you know, I think Josh 57 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: mcdanie is going to tremendous job of bringing that winning 58 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: culture to the team. And you know, once you win, 59 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: obviously everybody's going to be more into it. It's exciting. 60 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I've played um under Josh McDaniels. He was 61 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 1: BOC for some years there in New England. Really smart, 62 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: really bright, a great leader. I'm excited for him. Dave 63 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: Ziegler obviously, so they're gonna bring that way there to 64 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 1: do it the right way. And you know, Derek Cark 65 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: quarterback like Derek Carr, who you know, maybe probably very underrated, 66 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: but a great command a winner, it seems like, and 67 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: it's not afraid to take ownership and put it on 68 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: his shoulders and go out there. You had some great 69 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: performances this year. So I think it's definitely right out 70 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: there with with the Josh McDaniels and and Derek Carr combination. 71 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: What do you see potentially what that could be. Well, 72 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think you know, you know, 73 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: Derek Carr is a very underrated player in the National 74 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: Football League. When you talk about, you know, the top 75 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: tier quarterbacks, they normally don't mention Derek. But every single year, 76 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: especially this past year, I mean, he was slinging that 77 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: rock all over the place. Um, you know, they got 78 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: a good young nucleus when it comes to their skill positions. 79 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: You've got Josh at the running back position. You know, 80 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: you've got Jones and Edwards at the receiver positions, and 81 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: you've got one of the best tight ends in the 82 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: National Football League and Waller, So you have all the 83 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: pieces there, and then you have a veteran and he so, 84 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: I mean, Derek has been through it now, right, He's 85 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: been through it all. You know, he's been he's been 86 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: with the Highs, he's been with the Loaves, he's been 87 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: in the playoffs, He's felt the losses, so nothing should 88 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: surprised him anymore. And then but I think what's gonna 89 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: what Josh is gonna do for him is kind of 90 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: opened up his eyes to what offenses really can be. 91 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: And it might be a different offensive system each week. 92 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: You know, the one week they might go you know, 93 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: heavy run. Next week they're gonna go Deacon Duncan. The 94 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: next week they're gonna take the top off of a defense. 95 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: So you know, you like, I think the future for 96 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: the Silver and Black and what Derek has up and coming, 97 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: because I think Josh is gonna open that all up 98 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, two things I think you to mention 99 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: Hunter rent from he's running off forgot about Yeah, you know, 100 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: I forgot about Route Tree. That is not what you 101 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: grow up covering as a dB. You know, it's not 102 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: It's not just the breaks on ninety with him, He's 103 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: running some routes that that's right. He saw YouTube. But 104 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: guess what they get open he catches the ball, so 105 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: you can't you can't do anything about And when you 106 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: see him, you're like, what you play in the National 107 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: Football League, Like you look like you're a librarian. But 108 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: the guy just a skilled route runner and he's really 109 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: a fierce competitor. I mean, you really think about how 110 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: he got to where he was at in college and 111 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: finally getting a scholarship. He had to have work his 112 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: way through it. All that tells you about his determination 113 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: and how much he works. Is there a guy in 114 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: your day that you played against or played with where 115 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: it didn't look like he was a player, but he 116 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: was really a player, Like he looked like he should 117 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: be doing something else, and you're like, no, this guy's 118 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: got skilled like a hunter renfro. Was there somebody that 119 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: was bad body or just like yeah, like bad body, 120 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: but this guy's I mean, uh, you know, tremendous receiver. 121 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: But Steve Largent, you know, and I you know, I 122 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: remember playing against him and I'm like, this guy is 123 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: small man, he's not real fast, but think how is 124 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: he always getting open? Like it was just one of 125 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: those things. And then just when you start watching him play, 126 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: You're like, Oh, the dude reads defenses like no other. 127 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: He finds the open spots. He knows how to work 128 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: a defender on his leverage. So you can't underestimate what 129 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: the book, what the cover looks like, because the in 130 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: depth pages of the book might be greater than what 131 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: that cover is. Yeah, the beauty of the NFL. I 132 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: always say that it's just it's an equal playing field. 133 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: If you can play or not play. If you can play, 134 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: they'll find you D two, D three undrafted. It's harder 135 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: for some guys and other We know that, but eventually, 136 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: after a year or two, you're gonna have to actually 137 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: be able to play or not. And it doesn't matter 138 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: how many Twitter followers you have. It doesn't matter what's celebrations. 139 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't matter if you're from the SEC 140 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: or not. You're gonna have to go up there first, 141 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: first overall pick or the lat MR I elevant. It's 142 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: everybody's an equal playing field in terms of work ethic 143 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: and what they do on Sundays. And I always thought 144 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: that was the beauty of it, that the game will 145 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: humble everybody eventually. You know the great thing about sports 146 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: and football in general, since we're you know, that's what 147 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: we played in is that everybody has talent, right, that's 148 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: why they're here. You know, the best of the best 149 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: of the best of the best in the world play 150 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:40,119 Speaker 1: in the National Football League, and you know, the ones 151 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: who can separate themselves more mental to the one mental 152 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: to physical kind of creates a great career for himself 153 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: in the National Football League. And you know, so you 154 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: can't underestimate what that person may look like, how he's built, 155 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: because I've played with some of my guys in Pittsburgh 156 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: who didn't look like they're players, right, but they were ballers. 157 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: You just never really know. Yeah, I think the hard work, 158 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: the dedication that behind the scenes is really what creates 159 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: longevity and and success at this highest level. I mean, 160 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: this is the highest in the world of what we do. 161 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: And I actually had a taste of your hard work out, 162 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: a taste of your preparation, because I got it from 163 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: Carnel Lake. I don't know if you remember, but you 164 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: and another Pittsburgh legend, Carnel Lake, had a certain running 165 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: workout that y'all would do. When I was in Tennessee, 166 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: a guy named Mike Rabel came across as our coach 167 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: and he and he liked my work ethic and he said, Logan, 168 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: you work. You worked like ridiculously hard, and you remind 169 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: me of some of these old veterans that I had 170 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: when they came in the league. Always running, always working extra, 171 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: always being the first one. First off, you need to 172 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: I gotta get you in contact with Rod and Carnel Lake, 173 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: and I want you to, you know, see what their 174 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: program was off the field. So I got Carnel contact, 175 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: reached out to him and started doing some of your 176 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: running workouts that you guys did. Because you got a 177 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: track backgrounds, you want to share with some of the 178 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: viewers what your off season approach was and what it 179 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: what what you put into the game that they may 180 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: they may not see. You know. We always believe that 181 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: we're not going to be out worked in the off season, 182 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: you know. And before we got to the track, we 183 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: always went swimming. We had like a little swimming workout routine, 184 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: especially with Merrill Hodge. We will go to us UM 185 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: I can't remember naming the pool, but we will go 186 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: to the pool. Sometimes we would do board work. We're 187 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: all we were always in the water working our legs, 188 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: working our lungs, and then we would leave there and 189 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: the drive from the pool to Carnegie Mellon College where 190 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: we where we trained at it was about thirty forty minutes. 191 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: That was our rest time. And then we got there 192 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: and we would kind of alternate with being you know, 193 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: one fifties, do ladders, will do a one to three 194 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: four four three to one, and then as a season 195 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: progress in the summertime, progress and get closer to the season. 196 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: That's when we started doing flying sixties, flying forties. What 197 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: I mean by flying is that we jogged up to 198 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: the line and then burst it and and that's what 199 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: a dB is. A dB is as a burst of 200 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: energy of trying to get to that next receiver, right 201 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: because receiver is gonna create that separation naturally anyway, right 202 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: because he knows where he's going. We don't. So having 203 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: that in our system. And at the end of the day, 204 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: we live our our whole careers about our legs, our 205 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: legs in our mind, right, I mean, there they run 206 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: two goals, they get to come out for play. We 207 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: stay in as dbs, and you know, we just always 208 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: believed in and I'm glad I had a running partner 209 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: like carnel A because I do kid man, he could 210 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: run all day, I will build up a lot of 211 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: lack gasket. I would be hurting in training. But Karnet 212 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: was one of those guys I kept pushing up envelope 213 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: and just kept making us better. And both of you 214 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: very similarly played the corner and safety position at a 215 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: high level. I'm some one who played my career at 216 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: corner for a long time and and transition to safety 217 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: and having a lot of fun at that. So he 218 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: did it in a sense where he started at safety 219 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: and moved the corner, which I don't think I've ever 220 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: heard before. And you did it at all pro level 221 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 1: at both positions. Actually really good friends with Devin mccordy, 222 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: who did it at all pro level at both positions. 223 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: So what was the key to your versatility and when 224 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: you played corner and played say, did it really make 225 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: a difference to you? I know, my eyes were the 226 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:30,199 Speaker 1: biggest thing, from folks on a small target to having 227 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: to see the quarterback and the whole picture was like overwhelming. 228 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: So how how was that in terms of your discipline 229 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: in your eyes? You know, I mean I was a 230 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: natural safety throughout my whole life. So when I was 231 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: nine years old, from Pop Warner all the way through Purdue, 232 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: I played safety. I played a little corner my last 233 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: year because they were telling me you might play corner. 234 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: Then I ran my forty time at the common bye 235 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: They're like, you're gonna play corner, and I'm like, I'm 236 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: really it was against playing corner because I didn't really 237 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know how to play corner. I mean I 238 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: didn't because you know, it's a different position. When you're 239 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: playing a safety, you're looking at all twenty two so 240 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: you can kind of see the whole field, and when 241 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: you're playing corner, you're playing kind of from a side view. 242 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: And I really didn't understand that. But luckily I had 243 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: Tony Dungee, who's a great coach, a great mentor as 244 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: a human being. Also the guy that kind of gave 245 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: me a lot of love, didn't yell at me and 246 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: scream at me as a rookie when I was making 247 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of crazy mistakes. I'm still looking in 248 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: the backfield. I remember playing against James Lofton. I'm looking 249 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: in the backfield. James Lofton runs right by me, and 250 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: I'm still backpedaling he did, They throw the ball to 251 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: a touchdown and I come to the sideline and then 252 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: coaches like, what were you doing. I'm like, I have 253 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: no idea what I was thinking about a coach. I'm serious, 254 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: and but you know most coaches would have got mad 255 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, you know. So it was fun 256 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: to be there on that side view and then learned 257 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: the game. And then I got a guy named Rod 258 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: rust who was kind of a really good mentor for 259 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: me because he's the one that challenged me very similar 260 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: to what Chuck No challenged me my rookie year. Chuck 261 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: No told me this game has played more mental two 262 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: to one, mental to physical, because everybody's talented. Some guys 263 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: are just bigger, faster, stronger, quicker than others. But it's 264 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: the guys who can take that are self study, their coaches, 265 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: study their peer study, apply that back in practice every day, 266 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: and then apply that back in the game throughout the 267 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 1: course of your career, and then you separate yourself from 268 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: the average guy. Two great players, and I really didn't 269 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: understand what he was saying until a guy named Rod 270 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: Russ came in and said exact same thing. But he 271 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: cust me out at the same time. And when he 272 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: did that, it kind of like opened up my eyes 273 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: to the game. He showed me how what the offenses 274 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: would do, how they would build formations irrelevant other personnel groupings. 275 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: And about five, I would say, about four or five 276 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: weeks into it, the green light clicked on and you know, 277 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: I got to play it. I really level because of him. 278 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: But I think the answer the question back about corner 279 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: and safety is the different mentality because at corner you're 280 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: on the island and you know there has to be 281 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: an idea behind it, and it's like no seems no 282 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: postal goes. You can't get beat deep. You gotta have 283 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: good fundamentals, you know. You gotta make sure you know 284 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: what two hands, one hand none. You know. That was 285 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: our kind of our attitude, you know. And then at 286 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: at the end, all be able to put your foot 287 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: in the ground and don't be scared to go make 288 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: some you know, some money. You know, we always say 289 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: scared money, don't make no money. Then I get Dick 290 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: Lebo come in and Dick Lebo is telling us, hey, 291 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes the bear gets you. Sometimes you get 292 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: the bear. Sometimes you get the bear. That's right, and 293 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: then as long as you can get the bear more 294 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: and you gets you, then you're doing a lot of 295 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: good things. So but then when the mindset as a safety, 296 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: I mean it's I mean, you're in the core, you know. 297 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: And I remember my first day, so it's like year now, 298 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: you're thirteen for me where I moved to say safety. 299 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: And I remember my first preseason game against the Atlanta 300 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: Falcons and Jamal Anderson. He comes through the hole hitting 301 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: and he cracks me right in the face mask. My 302 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: nose is bleeding. I'm playing with the Baltimore Ravens at 303 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: the time. I look at ray Lewis. I looked around 304 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: the red Huh. I don't know about this man. I 305 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know about coming back in this box. Um. 306 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: You know, it was it was a different mindset that 307 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: you had to have at safety, comparable with the corner. 308 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: And I think more of a tougher mindset because you 309 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: know you're gonna be inserted into the box. When you're 310 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: in that box, I mean, that's where the real man 311 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: play at. Yeah. You know, my my wife's a softball player, 312 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: so she grew up in a baseball background. So I 313 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: always try to relate to her in ways that she 314 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: can understand. And when you play the slot corner, which 315 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: has developed with the slot receivers in football, and you 316 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: play and you play that perimeter corner, it's it's like 317 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: second base in shortstop. That's similar, but they're very different. 318 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: You don't see too many second basement gonna play, Seorge 319 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: Sutton see too many short so they're gonna play a 320 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: second base in the game. And your perimeter corners at 321 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: the same time need a pictures mentality where they literally 322 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:13,119 Speaker 1: on their own island and they have to be ultra confident, 323 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: and they got to be kind of an airhead in 324 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: the sense that they give up a play, Oh well, 325 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: gotta go back and do it again. And then when 326 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: you play safety, it's like going back to center field. 327 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: There's nothing like the infield. There's a lot more angles, 328 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: a lot more fits, a lot more gaps, The coming 329 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: downhill hitting Jamal Lewis's breaking your face masks that that 330 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: type of football is slowly changing as you see. And 331 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: a lot more corner bodies like myself and yourself will 332 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: be a safety because these tight ends are receivers nowadays. 333 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: So you see how the league is becoming smaller, faster, 334 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: more seven on seven and obviously the physicality that that 335 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: your error that all made us want to play football. 336 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: It's kind of slowly diminishing. Yeah, I mean it's you know, 337 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: the way the rules have changed. Um, the game has 338 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: been the same, you know. So there's an old book 339 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: written in the nineteen fifties called the spread Offense. The 340 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,239 Speaker 1: spread offense has always been here. The only difference is 341 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: the person who was catching the ball was a running back, 342 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: you know, so you think of more of a pistol 343 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: mentality behind, and it was more you know, sweeps and 344 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: powers and all that counters and all that type of stuff. 345 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: And then they came into what the little pop passes 346 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: and then they put a quarterback back there. But the 347 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: the idea behind the spread offense has been around for 348 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: quite a long time. The rule changes, that's the key, 349 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: you know, that's the key to how everybody's playing and 350 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: the reason they aren't throwing the ball more because quarterbacks 351 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: are overly protected in the pocket, out of the protector, 352 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: out of the pocket. The receivers are protected in traffic. 353 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: Right you just really you don't know how to make 354 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: contact with guys. And then the I mean the contact 355 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: rule has always been there. I mean, you know, Mel Blunt, 356 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: as big as he was, I mean, he's the main 357 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 1: reason that I mean, he's the reason that we had 358 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: the five yard chuck rule, right because he was just 359 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: tearing eyes up all the way down the field. So 360 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: those rules have changed, But the fundamental philosophy of football itself. 361 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: When back end players talking about the dbs, you're it's 362 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: all about angles to the to the linebackers to the 363 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: front end, where it's more about leverage, you know. So 364 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: it's that's been there for quite a while, just the 365 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: way you know, I played against the run and shoot 366 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: or you're just playing against running shoot every week. And 367 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: and those r p o s are a little different 368 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: now you're you're you're run pass keys. You better be 369 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: a little you better take a good read step because 370 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: it makes sure you read it twice because I see 371 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: tackles downfield nowadays, and I got post routes over my head. 372 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: That was the RPL And now that throwing full on 373 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: pass plays the tackles downfield, So those keys are a 374 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: little messy. dB is the best position in the world, 375 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: in my opinion, the hardest position aside from quarterback. But 376 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: you don't always get the glory um that that that gets. 377 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: So it's it takes a certain dude to do it, 378 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: um and you gotta do it for the love and 379 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 1: I believe you know you're absolutely right. You know, sometimes 380 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: you don't get you know, all the big plays, you 381 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: don't you know, well, obviously, the you know, the glamour 382 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: is the quarterback position, and the divas are the receivers. 383 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: You know, they always say the next set of divas 384 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: are the the corners, right, the defensive backs there the 385 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: next set of divas. But you do have to have 386 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: a different mentality being back there because you are challenged. 387 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: And you know, a receiver can catch seven out of 388 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: the ten balls and he had a great day. But 389 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: if a dB gives up, you know, if he's if 390 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,120 Speaker 1: he's targeted, you know, five times, and gives up three 391 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: big ones but had to pick, he had a terrible day. 392 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: So you know, it's it's definitely a different mindset on 393 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: the back end. And like you said, you know, you 394 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta have a short memory back there. But 395 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: at the end of the end, all you gotta be 396 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: still willing to put your foot in the ground and 397 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: go make plays for your team. You know, you mentioned 398 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: a guy that I played for and and he was 399 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: one of my favorite guys, Dick Lebo. Having a coach 400 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: who's played it, having his coach who's who's coach at 401 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame levels, both sides to come up and 402 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: literally the same exact thing. Sometimes you get the bear, 403 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: sometimes the bear gets you. And used to tell us 404 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: stories about how he used to get beat. A lot 405 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: of people don't understand that pressure that comes with Nobody 406 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: wants to be be on a double move, no one 407 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: wants to get beat. Deep you feel like you're the 408 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: only person in the stadium that's rooting for yourself that play. 409 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: You know, he said, literally want to dig a hole 410 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: and crawl out the bottom of the stadium sometimes when 411 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: you're on the trip and fall or something like that. 412 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: But having a coach to understand that the patients with 413 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: that and really teach you to keep making plays and 414 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: go after it again, I think was so encouraging for 415 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: me and my career. Have him in the year five 416 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: six of my career was just you know, he understood 417 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: and I think that was that was a great thing. Uh, 418 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: Dick Lebo, Yeah, I mean, you know, Dick is first 419 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: of all, he played it at a very high level 420 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: and he got six or two picks at owner back 421 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: in the day were they weren't even throwing the rock 422 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: that much, right, Uh, you know, think about who he 423 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: played with though, right, he played with Night Train Lane 424 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: and Lim Barney. I mean those guys are all Hall 425 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: of famers. I mean this is that might have been this. 426 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: I know they kind of overlapped each other, right, But 427 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 1: just to think about what he went through back in 428 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: his time frame, and then how he became this great 429 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: coach because he knew what it took, but he allowed 430 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: you to be you inside of the system. That's what 431 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: I loved about him. And then you went into coaching 432 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: after your career, what were some things being a player 433 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: that you try to try to coach those guys? How 434 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: was that? How was your mentality as a coach and 435 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: how was that experience? Bel I mean, the first thing 436 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 1: as a coach was really let the players know that 437 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: I care about them more than being a player, that 438 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: I care about them about you know, how they were 439 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: at home, if they had girlfriends, kids, wives, engage, whatever 440 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: it might be. That's the first. Because all my coaches 441 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: that I really cared about cared about us as human beings. 442 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: But then secondly it was really just giving them the fundamentals, 443 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 1: you know, and everybody sees the game differently. I'm a 444 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: formation driven guy, irrelevant of the personnel groupings, but everybody 445 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: doesn't see the game that way. So learning how they learn. 446 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: So what we are you know what we say in 447 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: our circles, learn your learners. You know, is he a 448 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: visual guy, is the audio guy? Is he a rep guy? 449 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,360 Speaker 1: What is he? And then teach him in that capacity. 450 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: So for me, I was a visual guy. My coach 451 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: can get up there, it could be Dicklable, it could 452 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: be it could be chucking on and he'll get up 453 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: there and tell me something. I'm like, can you draw 454 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: that one for me, coach? But then as soon as 455 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: he draws it for me, I'm like, oh yeah, okay, 456 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: I got you. So that's one thing I had to 457 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: learn how to do, like just listen to my players, 458 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: see how they learn, and then give that back to him. 459 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: But the biggest thing I enjoyed is like seeing them 460 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: have success on the field, kind of like your kids, right, 461 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: your kids, you know, you want your kids to be 462 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 1: successful in a lot life. And it was the same thing, 463 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: you know, for me coaching, talking to the guys, getting 464 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: a little bit and then when it happens well for 465 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: him on the field, and you're excited for those guys. 466 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: So what about them guys that didn't listen to the 467 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: great Rod woodsoner? What about those? How did you? How 468 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: does that you take that personal? How do you handle 469 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: that for someone who's done at a high level and 470 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: some of these guys might not listen or not understand 471 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: opportunity have Well, I mean, you know one thing we 472 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: did say that you know, the NFL is fleeting, right, 473 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you play in this league and you're here 474 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: for five years, it's over because they're always replenishing talent. 475 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: And you know the one thing that we said. I 476 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: didn't really get mad the guys, but we knew that, 477 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, when you saw a certain guy that has 478 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: so much talent and you knew though, you had to 479 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: keep your thumb on that one, like I have to 480 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: keep pushing him. And I've seen coaches throughout my career 481 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: when I was playing do that to certain players. They 482 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: didn't have to do that to me per se, but 483 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: I see them put their thumb on somebody and say, hey, 484 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,439 Speaker 1: I know you're talented, You're better than that. So a 485 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: couple of guys I put my thumb one. I kind 486 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: of wrote them, um a little bit, you know, but 487 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: I don't I don't raise my voice, I don't cuss 488 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: or anything of that nature. You know. I just told 489 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: him at the end result of like, if you don't 490 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: do it, if you can't get it accomplished away you 491 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: want to do it, then you know, I'm just gonna 492 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: ask coach to set you down because we're all want 493 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: to get fired, you know. So, uh, you know that 494 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: that was a hard part. I didn't have too many 495 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: of those guys, and I had a coach tell me, 496 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: and I think it was a great reference. Are in 497 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: this league, your hands and everyone else in money, Everyone 498 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: touches everyone money, and the team is successful, everyone you know, 499 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: can we'll have some type of success maybe personally. The 500 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: team goes to Super Bowl, a lot of guys gonna 501 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: get second contracts, a lot of coaches gonna be hired 502 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 1: to be head coaches, a lot of guys will be 503 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: hired to be coordinators. And it's great, and it's it's 504 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: also the opposite. The team doesn't have success, players don't 505 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: listen or coach is not coaching or whatever it is. 506 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: Everyone's getting fired. So it is it isn't make or 507 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: break Almost every year, the league is a year to 508 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 1: year year and everyone's touching everybody's money. You know, everybody 509 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: wants a winner. When you win, you look way better. 510 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: You look better to the chicks, you look better to everybody, 511 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: you look better to the general managers. But when you're losing, 512 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: may nobody wanted no loser. I mean, that's that's just 513 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,239 Speaker 1: what That's the way it is, and that's and and 514 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: that's what he's saying, and it's absolutely true. Football is 515 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: funny because football is the ultimate team sport, in my opinion, 516 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: in terms of sacrifice, in terms of what it takes 517 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: to win, in terms of some of the best players 518 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: or players don't get credit for how the play had 519 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: happened or how he's gonna you know what, the result maybe, 520 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: but at the same time, you are trying to feed 521 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: your family. You have worked your whole life for that. 522 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: So I think it is the special teams that understand, 523 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: the special organizations that understand that it still takes sacrifice 524 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: at this at this highest level in eventually have to 525 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: sacrifice for the team ultimately for success. Absolutely. I think 526 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: you know, I was blessed to go to a team 527 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: the Steelers, that had a culture and their their model 528 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: is the standard of this the standard. You either here 529 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: to the standard, you're not there. Uh. And that's a 530 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: good thing for me, and I think that's good things 531 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: for all players who come into the league. The problem is, 532 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: you know, the way it's set up today is you know, 533 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: when I came in the league, most of the backup 534 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: players were veterans, you know, five six year guys, so 535 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: they could lead, they could help younger guys come through, 536 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: right because a lot of guys didn't make the roster. Well, 537 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: now you gotta go. You have to be a special 538 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: veteran to make the roster. So it's a younger roster 539 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: turns over a lot faster. You know, these kids are 540 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 1: three years, four years, they're saying there seasoned vets already, 541 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: and I'm like, you're not season vets, you because you 542 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: don't even know it all yet. But that's just the 543 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: way the game has gone. And you got to hope 544 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: that somewhere along the line there is one vet that 545 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: still can give a little love and some knowledge to 546 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: the players where they can hold onto it and hopefully 547 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: the coaches do the same thing. Like Dick Lebo. Dick 548 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: Lebo will give you nuggets all the time, Chuck, no 549 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: wild give me nuggets all the time. Those guys just 550 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: put the planet that seed and then you gotta hope 551 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: that other coaches have come by and water it. Since 552 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,479 Speaker 1: year four, I was the oldest in my in my 553 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: position group and at corners the oldest in the room. 554 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: Year five, year six, year Si, I'm in your ten 555 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: and I've been the oldest, one of the leaders of 556 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: my group, one of oldest on the team. Now there's 557 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: not the twelve thirteen your vets that the're to set 558 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: the tone. And then you have a bunch of five 559 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 1: six Like you said, so only year five your your 560 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: second contract. You're like you're in you know, you've got 561 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: all the answers and and guys are looking up to 562 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: you because you're gonna deal with guys all you know, 563 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: the first second year guys. But how did you handle 564 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: it at year four when you were you were the 565 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: vet in the room? Yeah, and you know what, I 566 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: was in the New England system and I had a 567 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: good friend of Devin mccordy and Matt Slater and these guys, 568 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: these these key pieces. So I just had to do 569 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: my job and understand my role, you know, if I 570 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: had to give a couple of speeches. But I've always 571 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: been an analytical guy. I've always been a film study. UM, 572 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: so when guys would see me making plays, I was 573 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: never the fastest dB on any team I've been on. 574 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: Always fundamentally sound, Always do an extra jump, roping, running, um, 575 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: a lot of man pressed stuff before practice, catching balls 576 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: off the jugs after so guys kind of fall into that. 577 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: And I always would watch other guys in the league. 578 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: I would watch the grievous is. I would watch the 579 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: champ Bailey's. I was watching Charles Woodson and try to 580 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: steal something every offseason from them. When I would bring 581 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: into my game, I said, oh, when it's this, I 582 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: see how so and so placed three by one. I 583 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: see how so and so placed two by two. I 584 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: look at the game same way as you do formations. 585 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: And I would steal something from a guy who played 586 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: a lot of off. I played a lot of press, 587 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: but guy I was playing a lot of off, I 588 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: would say, okay, sending me just learning it. Let me 589 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: see how he plays it because he's playing at a 590 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: high level. So I'll bring those nuggets to the young guys, 591 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: and I think those nuggets for them the production on 592 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: the field, and I think that's what God really said. 593 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: You know what, Logan is doing it the right way. 594 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: He's not trying to jump over anybody else. He's kind 595 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: of minded his own business, putting his work, and they 596 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: see it happen and see it manufactured through practice. I 597 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: would try to be a dominant practice player and honestly, 598 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: and I think that's the key. You know, Logan, you 599 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: you said that you did everything the right way, but 600 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: you also bought out on game day, so you can't 601 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: you Yeah, so you can't be the leader without bawling. Right, 602 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: They can say, hey, you know, he's doing everything the 603 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: right way, but he's getting he's getting drilled. On game day. 604 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: They see the production from the work, right, they see 605 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: how everything is like on game day, that's when you're 606 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: that's when you're with drawal or coming right. So you 607 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: during the week, you're you're putting your money in the bank, 608 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: you're putting your money in the and you're putting your 609 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: money new bank. Game day you start withdrawing and They're like, 610 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: you know what, my man getting his work in and 611 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: he's making plays now. So then that makes the younger 612 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: guys start doing it. And then once they see that 613 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: that's kind of a happened. Yet you gotta hope that 614 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: uh trickles down to all the young players that come 615 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: into the room. One of the fastest man in the league, 616 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: do you miss? Well? Back in the problem used to 617 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: have those competitions and I and as a kid, I 618 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: grew up watching those. So what was it like competing 619 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: in those And do you think the NFL needs to 620 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: bring those back. Strongest Man, fastest man, all that type 621 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: of stuff. Yeah, I mean the fastest man wasn't at 622 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowls, but we always I was outside of that, 623 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: that was outside it was. It was really right after 624 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: it right we had it in India, California. Um. You 625 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: know I ran it in a couple of times. Um. 626 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: But it was a blast, especially my rookie year. You know, 627 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: I got you know, I came in and you know 628 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: everybody knows who Willie gold is and Herscha Walker all 629 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: those guys, how fast they were. You know, I got 630 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: to run against those guys and kind of show my 631 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: war like you know dbs. We got speed too. And 632 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: really the two finalists in the world that fastest Man 633 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: contest was me and Darryl Green, so it's two dvs. 634 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: So we were letting the world know that defaulive backs 635 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: can run just as fastest receivers run. But it was fun. 636 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: You know, anytime you compete, if you're a competitor, you 637 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: like to compete, you know. So I'm an old school competitor. 638 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: I got two older brothers. Man, we used to race, 639 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: play fight. I mean, we used to do everything, play 640 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: football in the streets for in Indiana. You know, you 641 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: go from telephone polter telephone pole in the wintertime, that 642 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: car is out of bounds. If you slide into it 643 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: and hit it, then you slide into it, hit it. Yeah, 644 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: that's back we had again in before the street lights. 645 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: We're tracking our kids now you're tracking with it, but 646 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: have the iPhone on them at all times. Hey, man, 647 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: I think I think that's our time right there. I mean, 648 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: it was awesome chat with you, UM talking about the 649 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: great um, talking about your process and and I'm honored 650 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: to do this podcast And the reason why I wanted 651 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: to do is to talk to people like you and 652 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: pick your brains. Hopefully there's some young deep listening or 653 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,959 Speaker 1: some fans listening to give them insight of of what 654 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: really goes in there, uh, in our heads, you know, 655 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: before the snap. Because there's a lot that does it 656 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: and and and it's it's hard, but the great ones 657 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: definitely found the way work work and work some more. 658 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: It pays off that it does. Man, I definitely appreciate it. 659 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Man, have a good day. I appreciate 660 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: taking the time. Thanks for joining us on the NFL 661 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: Players Podcast. Don't forget to subscribe and follow at NFL 662 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: Players Podcast on Instagram for the latest players stories and 663 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: to connect with the NFL Players community.