1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Katie Curic, and this is next question. 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: I really like Kelly Rippa, and I'm guessing some of 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: you listening really like her too. After all, she has 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: been welcomed into living rooms, bedrooms, kitchens, and morning routines 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: for more than two decades as the co host of 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: ABC's morning talk show Live first with Regis Bilbiny Times 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: Do Dynamic Duo, then with Michael Strahan, There's Live and 8 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: now with Ryan Seacrest, Good Morning, Good Morning. On the 9 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: show and in person, Kelly has always been funny, warm 10 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: and self effacing, and it turns out she's exactly the 11 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: same way as a writer. Her first book, a collection 12 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: of memoir ish essays called Live Wire, Long Witted Short Stories, 13 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: is out now, and we have such a fun time 14 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: chatting about her career, her family, and the curious ways 15 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: our worlds and jobs have overlapped. So enjoy. Can I 16 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: just say, I'm so excited to see you. I loved 17 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: your book. Thank you. How meaningful it is when someone says, 18 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: sincerely and honestly that they loved your book because I 19 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: felt like I got to know you better. I just 20 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: really enjoyed being in your world. I thought you were 21 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: so funny because well, obviously you're really funny. Your last 22 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: chapters honestly made me cry because made me think of 23 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: my kids. You write all about Cindy walking off and 24 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: kind of being in this space of your life as 25 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: an empty nester. So I'm really I'm really excited to 26 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: be here to talk to you about it. And I 27 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: think one of the things, one of the many things 28 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: I learned about you in the book, Kelly, is that 29 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: you're actually introverted, um, and you're shy, and you don't 30 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: really love social occasions. And then I thought about the times, 31 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: you know, the occasions I have had the opportunity to 32 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: be with you socially, and I thought, oh, that's so funny, 33 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: because Kelly is actually kind of shy and and and 34 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: not super um outgoing at these at these things. And 35 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: it made me realize, you know, everybody's sort of insecure, 36 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: and I feel shy sometimes at these I do I 37 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: feel um, you know, I I feel once in a 38 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: while kind of just uncomfortable in my skin, or you know, 39 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: or people do I have somebody to talk to? You know, 40 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: all those things that I think everybody feels, no matter 41 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: who you are. But the fact that that you're kind 42 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: of agoraphobic. Actually, what was was really surprising to me. 43 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: It's funny, I almost as you now know from knowing me. 44 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: I think that the two times I went out this year, 45 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: you were at both both events big events. Um, I 46 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: am really just a home body. Um, I come from 47 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: a family of home bodies. It's I think it's definitely 48 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: like a hereditary skill set. But I also think it's 49 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: sort of how you're wired, don't you. Yeah, I'm hard 50 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: wired to just prefer the comfort of under my bed, 51 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean under the sheets, I mean hiding under my bed. 52 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: But I also would think, Kelly, so much of your 53 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: job is being out there and being outspoken and being 54 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: and sharing that when you have your alone time, you 55 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: don't necessarily want to be like black. Yeah, I just 56 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: feel like there's uh as you know, when you host 57 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: a morning show, you're in people's houses every day. They 58 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: get to see you. You know. I think it is 59 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: high honored to be welcomed into people's living rooms and 60 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: breakfast tables. Still in this day and age, with so 61 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: many other options. The fact that we are still chugging 62 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: away and we're still there and people are still welcoming 63 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: us is a high honor. I don't take that for granted. 64 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: It's not lost on me that there are so many 65 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: other choices they could make, but they still tune in 66 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: for us. But at the end of the day, I'm like, okay, 67 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: and now people need a break from me. So I 68 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: try to, you know, be as invisible as possible when 69 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm not there, you know what I mean. So I 70 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: don't go to movie premiers and I don't go to 71 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: fashion events, and I don't go to all of that 72 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: stuff because I value my off time, but I also 73 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: value like giving America needs a break. I don't know 74 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: if people feel that way, but I think it's also 75 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: because it's been very important for you to have some 76 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: separation between your home life and your work life. Yeah, 77 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: I've always prioritized my home life the most most because 78 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: I feel like that's where my real work was. You know, 79 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 1: I wanted to and I'm very much like you. I know, 80 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: you and I were frequently the only moms at the 81 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: track field, the only you felt like winter but it 82 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: was fall and we'd be the only ones standing there. 83 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: Because I feel like when you're a working woman and 84 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: sometimes the morning routine you have to miss a lot. 85 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: You are forced to miss a lot, so those events 86 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: that you can attend, you are super attentive. Right And 87 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I was really trying 88 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: to raise good people, responsible people, conscientious people, and I 89 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: feel like we are, you know, in that respect. Thank god. 90 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: I take nothing for granted, but so far they've really 91 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: held up their end of the bargain. Well, I like 92 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: that that quote from Jackie Kennedy that says, if you 93 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: bungle you raise and your kids, nothing else really matters. 94 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: And it sounds like you and Mark have done a 95 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: great job raising good human beings. We've been very fortunate, 96 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, but you well, I think it also put 97 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: the work good Yeah, you put the work, and it 98 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: comes from good parenting. And we had good parents. I mean, 99 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: our parents are I mean, they're very lucky, and you're 100 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,919 Speaker 1: so lucky. Although your mom I wondered if she I 101 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: felt like you didn't write about your mom that much, 102 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: and and uh, and I I wish I had gotten 103 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: a little more sense of your mom. You thanked her 104 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: at the end of the book, but I thought it 105 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: was funny when you told her you wanted you were 106 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: going to go to therapy. She said, you're gonna spend 107 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: a lot of money trashing me basically, basically, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, 108 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: I think generationally my mom was too. I think nobody 109 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: even knew about therapy, much less talked about it from 110 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: our parents generations. But I wondered if your mom like 111 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: wanted you to write a little bit more about So 112 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: I'll give you the heads up on my mom. Kelly 113 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: gives us the lowdown on her mom and why she 114 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: chose not to write about her in this book that's 115 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: right after this, So I'll give you the heads up 116 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: on my mom. Number one. Let me just say this 117 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: is not a memoir. Have short stories. So you know, 118 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: if I ever do, if I ever do crawl out 119 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,119 Speaker 1: of the whole of being overwhelmed from writing this book, 120 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: of course I would write about my mom. In totality. 121 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: My mom is very much like everything I wrote about her. 122 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: I would read to her and then she'd be like, 123 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: get rid of that, get rid of this, get rid 124 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: of Like she didn't want me to talk about her 125 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: at all. She's like she takes my introversion and turns 126 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: it like a hundred degrees up. Um. But when I 127 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: asked her, because we're currently living with my parents, right now, 128 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: which is funny because she's great, she's doing so well. 129 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: She had heart surgery, she's she's making such an amazing recovery. 130 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: Her doctors and nurses have been extraordinary. And it's very 131 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: funny because you go from empty nesters and then suddenly 132 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: like your nest is full. But older people who are 133 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: like them, it's so nice. It's nice for all of us. 134 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: We're really enjoying their characters. And so I said to 135 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: my mom, um, Mom, have you read my book yet? 136 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: And she said, no, I'm not going to read your 137 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: sex book. I said, what what are you talking about? What? 138 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: I didn't write a sex book. She goes, well, not 139 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: according and now right away, I know that my aunts 140 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: are sending her the headlines right from whatever Google alert 141 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: or whatever it is. Right So she said, you've written 142 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: a sex book book, and I don't want to read 143 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: about you doing you know what with you know who. 144 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: And I said, it's not a sex book. As a 145 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 1: matter of fact, there's very little sex in this book. 146 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: It's just too advance a story in in the order 147 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: in which it happened, and and and and I and 148 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: there's a disclaimer at that chapter. If you're related to me, 149 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: in any way, Please skip to the next chapter, don't 150 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: read this. You know. So, I'm very conscientious in writing, 151 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: but she proved my most challenging, almost as challenging as 152 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: my daughter Lola, who wanted me to take out any 153 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: and all references to her um But so you know 154 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: it's I wrote this very thoughtfully with people in mind, 155 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: and I didn't want to put in anything that they 156 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: found objectionable. So you know, that's why there's not so 157 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: much of my mom, because she was not funny. I 158 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: don't know your mom, but I was like, I feel 159 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: a little protective, I guess because of course I think 160 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: you all obviously have this. This great my mom is. 161 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: My mom is the probably the funniest person any of 162 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: us will ever know. But I don't even think she 163 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: thinks she's funny. She's being completely serious and deadpan about 164 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: everything she says. Well, why you know, you say it's 165 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: not a memoir, It is a collection of short stories, 166 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: UM stories, And I love the title and this secondary title, 167 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: whatever you call it. How did you find the connective 168 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: tissue that would you know? First of all, I guess 169 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: enabled you to pick what you were going to write about. 170 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: But that would make sense for the reader. So there 171 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: were two hundred more pages in this chapter, and a 172 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: lot was cut out. I mean in the book, in 173 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: the I mean in the in the book forgive me. 174 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: In the book, there were two hundred more pages. So 175 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot that was taken out. My editor, Carrie Thornton, 176 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: God love her, this woman. She stacked the book. I 177 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: had the book completely stacked differently. I had it more 178 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: chronological and in its order. And she said, let me 179 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: stack these chapters the way I feel they connect, because 180 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: you're too close to this book at this point. I 181 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,439 Speaker 1: really wanted to start backwards with the last chapter and 182 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: work my way to the beginning. And she was like 183 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: you now, because you've written, now you think you're also 184 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: an editor and you don't know what you're doing. And 185 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: I said, did you read the chapter on asshole syndrome? 186 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: Now I'm an editor too. It's like anything I if 187 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: I see it, then I believe that I can do it. Um. 188 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: And I you know, having read so many great books 189 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: by so many great authors, yours included, I you know, 190 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: I mean, thank god, And I think I told you 191 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: this when you came on my show. Thank God your 192 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: book came out. When I had essentially finished my book, 193 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: because if I had read your book, I wouldn't have 194 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: written my book. Does that makes no? I wouldn't I would. 195 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: I would have been like, I can't. I'll never read 196 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: a decent word in my life. I'll never write anything decent. 197 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: It's not good. It's not. But ignorance really is bliss sometimes, 198 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: and so I like blissfully and ignorantly went into this 199 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: saying I've read books, therefore I can write books. Well, 200 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: you know, I think you sell your yourself short Kelly. 201 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: First of all, I think you're really fun clever writer. 202 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: I wish I had dog eared some of the pages 203 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: because um, you know, it's very uniquely you. So I 204 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: don't want you to sell yourself short that way. Well, 205 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: it's funny. I would send the chapters as I would 206 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: write them, and some of them were written and rewritten 207 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: and re rewritten, like I'm sure you felt the same way. 208 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: I would write a chapter five or six times before 209 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: I found it right, and I would send it to Mark, 210 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: who was mercifully living in Vancouver at the time. So 211 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: he people are will say to him, you know, was 212 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: it hard for you while she was writing this book? 213 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: And he says no, she was great, And I said, 214 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: he has no idea how insufferable I was, you know, 215 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: for our forty five minute discussions a day, I would 216 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: turn on all the charm and try to hide the 217 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: hideousness of the self doubt and the and the me 218 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: pacing around the bedroom and trying to like construct a sentence. 219 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: But I would send the chapters to Mark first. He 220 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 1: was sort of my pre editor, and he would call 221 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: me back face time, me back, and he would say, wow, 222 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: I thought this chapter was going to be about something else. Entirely. 223 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: I didn't see that coming. And that's when I would 224 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: know I got it right. You know. I waited for 225 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: him to say, oh my gosh, the it's the funniest thing, 226 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: or how did you remember that? How do you recall that? 227 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: And I would say, you know, when I write in 228 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: those journals at night, and you think that I'm just 229 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,359 Speaker 1: like making lists of things I have to do, it's 230 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: that's what I'm doing. I'm actually writing down the things 231 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: that I want to remember for And it was Andy 232 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: Cohen who told me to do that many years ago, 233 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: years and years ago. I remember Jean Chalotte. I think 234 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: I might have mentioned this in my book. I can't 235 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: even remember Jilly, what's in it? What's not that that? 236 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: Jane Shallotte said you should talk into a tape recorder 237 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: when I got my job on the Today Show. He said, 238 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: every day talking to a tape recorder, just talk about 239 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: like what the day was like, what an interview was like. 240 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: I was like, Jane, that is such a good idea, 241 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: And of course I never did it. And I'm not 242 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: a journal er either, so it was but thank God 243 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: for the Internet because I could retrieve so much. Thank 244 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: god I'm a pack rat because I could look back 245 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: on speeches and my calendars and all sorts of other 246 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: things that reminded me. But Andy was a really good 247 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: friend to have you do that, and I'm sure it 248 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: was extremely helpful in writing the book. I wanted to 249 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: ask you about Mark because obviously you guys have an 250 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: incredible relationship UM, which is so nice, so nice to see, 251 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: and I know you wrote about you know, we were 252 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: not supposed to make it and people in show business, 253 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: but I do think you guys are both um very 254 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: much mired in your respective values of your families and UM. 255 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: But I did laugh at when you first met him, 256 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: and it was when you were on all my children, 257 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: and he was coming in to audition for and you 258 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: saw his head shot and basically he had you at 259 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: not even Hello. There was the head she had me 260 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: at Mark and Sulo's actor. And then you come out 261 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: in curlers. I think you had zip medicine, had toothpaste 262 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: at toothpaste because I tried every other remedy, and I 263 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: had show curlers too. I had those giant velcrow rollers, 264 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: you know, the ones that looked like coke. So I 265 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: had those because you know, we always say like on 266 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: a soap opera, the bigger the hair, closer to Emmy's. Yeah, 267 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: clo you get. So I had these coke bottle rollers. 268 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: And it didn't have any makeup on because I was like, 269 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: for some reason, my scenes were at the end of 270 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: the day and it's like it's not a first come, 271 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: first serve. It's like, whoever is up first, you're in 272 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: makeup first. So no makeup on. It is giant pimple 273 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: because why wouldn't I and I had covered it with 274 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: cold Gate toothpaste, but cold Gate on. We decided for 275 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: some reason at the soap that cogate was the best 276 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: for getting rid of zits. When all else fails. Um right, 277 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: and so I walk in and he is there because 278 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: he was brand new to show business. He had never 279 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: auditioned for anything, and here he was screen testing for 280 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: a soap opera and he had no idea what a 281 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: screen test was, the same as me. When I screen tested, 282 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: I thought it was a written exam. And I'm not kidding, 283 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: and you you know how you yes? I mean, I'm 284 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: no longer at that place in my life where when 285 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: now I'm brave enough to say no, I'm sorry. I 286 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: don't know who or what you're talking. And I also 287 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: love that you've discovered how to say no that doesn't 288 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: work for me, that which I can't really do. But 289 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that in a minute. I send you 290 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: my therapist and she'll make you practice in front of 291 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: a mirror. You know, you can't even say no, I'm sorry. 292 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: That doesn't work for me. You know, take that I'm 293 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: sorry out, But you tried to. I can't do that. No. No, 294 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: I learned how to do it, but it took. And 295 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. No, that doesn't work for me. That 296 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: doesn't it's but it's not it's not cold or mean. 297 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: It's something that people say to us all the time. Um, 298 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: they're usually men. And then there's and so you so 299 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: we Uh. I think it's not just the nature of 300 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: our business because as I've been on a book tour, 301 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: so I'm meeting I'm meeting people from all sorts of 302 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: industries that I had really dialed into that particular chapter. Um, 303 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: because they are utilizing my no, that doesn't work for me. 304 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: And guess what, you know, this is free advice. It's 305 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: not a self help book, but this is free advice. 306 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: I spent thousands of dollars on therapy to learn to 307 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: say no that doesn't work for me. But again, it 308 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: was hard for me. I had to practice and practice. 309 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: I kept saying no, I'm so sorry, and she would 310 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: maybe ask me next year, asked me, yes, ask me 311 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: in a year, because they will, they'll ask you in 312 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: a year. They market down. Even my husband was like, 313 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: don't say that, because they're going to come back and 314 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: you have to say no again exactly. And so I 315 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: was in this place where I was saying yes, yes, yes, 316 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: or oh my gosh, I'm so sorry that doesn't work 317 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: because I have seven other conflicts. But you know, if 318 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: there's some other day, oh yes, we'll work around your schedule. 319 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: You tell us what day you don't have EIGHTI seven 320 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: other things. So when you say no, that doesn't work 321 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: for me, it sort of stops any and all advancement 322 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: of any other conversation. And it works like a charm 323 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: every single It works a hundred percent of the time. 324 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 1: A hundred percent of the time. All Right, I'm going 325 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: to try it. Alright, No, that doesn't work for me. 326 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: You're going to have to practice it in the mirror. 327 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: I can see you already vacillating. You're formulating that. I'm 328 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: so sosign a pleaser. I understand, and I too, am 329 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: a reformed pleaser. It's like there should be a self helpleaser. 330 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: Is anymous pleaser is anonymous? P My name is Katie, 331 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: and I'm a pleaser. Katie, Katie. By getting back to 332 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: Mark and the cold gate on your face, did you 333 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: really do a tap dance when you first saw him? 334 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: I mean I did tap dance. You kind of were like, know, 335 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: I mean it was that was what I was doing. 336 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: It was like, you know, I was like, oh my gosh, 337 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: I really said to him. I vomited words at him. 338 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: He was spell bound a good way and not in 339 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: a good way. He was spell bound, and and he 340 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: doesn't recall what I looked like at all. He always 341 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: goes back to I was just trying to get a job, 342 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: and I was warned that actors were strange, and so 343 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: you just seem like a strange actor. And I was like, 344 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: did I you know? But I was so um, I 345 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: don't know. I wanted to engage him in some way 346 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: and let him know that, you know, I look at 347 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: how low maintenance I am with I'm the girl with 348 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: the cold gate on her face and the Cooke bottle 349 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: rollers in her hair. Totally uh, totally comfortable with my 350 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: future husband seeing me this way. Isn't that funny? But 351 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: it's wonderful that you know that you guys did connect 352 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: that he wasn't like security. Yeah exactly. I mean, first 353 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: of all, he should have filed a restraining order. But 354 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: second of all, it was this weird thing where I 355 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: knew again I'm not a believer in love at first sight. 356 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: I've never been a hopeless romantic. I'm like, very pragmatic. 357 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: I'm a practical lady, you know. Uh, And I've never 358 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: It's so funny. I never decorated a dressing room ever 359 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: in my life until like my fifteenth year at Live. 360 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: My fifteenth year at Live, I decorated my dressing room 361 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: because I was like, I think they're gonna think They're 362 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: probably just going to carry me out, or maybe TV 363 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: will end. I don't know. But I was so practical. 364 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: I never wanted to keep things around that I would 365 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: have to pack into a box and leave, you know 366 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: what I mean. It felt like a waste of time. 367 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: So people would always walk into my dressing room and say, 368 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: is your dressing room being redecorated? And I'd say, no, 369 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: this is my dressing room. Why why do you ask? 370 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: It's so barren and terrifying looking. And I said, well, 371 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: you never know. Every day could be your last day. Um. 372 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: So to be a person that suddenly found themselves dreaming 373 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: that I was married to this person, this complete stranger, 374 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,479 Speaker 1: and that we were flying to Rome together on an 375 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: airplane with a baby made no sense. And then I 376 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: the next day at the screen test, as I talked 377 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: about in the book, I vomited that out at him. 378 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: I said, I had a dream, you know, I had 379 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: a dream, dream baby, okay? Um? And so I told 380 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: him about this dream and he was so non threatened 381 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: and grown up about the whole thing, and he sort 382 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: of just and you know, the room fell into a hush. 383 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: There were ten other guys. They're also auditioning for the 384 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: role of Matteo, who seemed spellbound by this conversation. He 385 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: was like not even halfway paying attention. He was writing down, 386 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: blocking and taking notes. And I said, remember me from yesterday. 387 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: So glad it turned out the way, But it shouldn't have. 388 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it should file the restraining order. I should 389 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: probably should have been fired. I mean I broke every 390 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: role that well, I guess they didn't exist yet. It 391 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: was the free willing nineties. But but wasn't the US. 392 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: It wasn't the rules. There were no rules. And so 393 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: um I somehow became his friend. We became friends, and 394 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 1: we really started liking each other and respecting each other. 395 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: And we had, um we had read the same books, 396 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: we found the same um. You know, we were both 397 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: at the time following the Rwandan genocide and nobody was 398 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: talking about it except us, so we would talk about 399 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: it to each other and um, you know, and we 400 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 1: had a lot of commonalities even though we grew up 401 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: very different our parents. He was born in Spain, was 402 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: born Florida. Well, he was born in Spain and then 403 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: lived in Italy until he was seven. His father was 404 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: in special operations for the military and so, and then 405 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: they moved to Lebanon, Illinois, and then they he went 406 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: to high school in Florida. UM, so he moved around 407 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: quite a bit. And then I was born and raised 408 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: in the same house my mother was raised in. My 409 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 1: grandfather built the house himself. And but the South Jerseys, 410 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: the South Jersey. I was from the South of Jersey. 411 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: It was really fun to read that with the accent 412 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: and the mayor of East Town and and what what 413 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: you use some words that the way people like the 414 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eggles you know, you're going the Eggles game and 415 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: some other things. You know my name, you know, back 416 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: in high school they would have called me Kelly Rippet, 417 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 1: you know the right. Yes, it's like, oh, sound like 418 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: e used Yeah. Um ours are like yeah, it's like 419 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 1: it's like a heart. You do some very funny phonetically. 420 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: Phonetically it's almost impossible to understand. Yeah, you said, you 421 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: say begel, you say right in Like imagine taking a 422 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: spelling test when you're in third grade. Beans, beans, yeah, 423 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: they fan. Yeah, you have a Ham fan Like I 424 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: got a hard time doing it. Now. I love it though, 425 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 1: because you're so proud of being from South Jersey. I 426 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: just love it. But now I'm hearing, you know, people 427 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: who have read this book. I hear from the North 428 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: Jersey ors all the time. You know, we're not Fonsy 429 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: the way you think we are. And I was like, oh, 430 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: it sounds like a little self defensive to me. Don't 431 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: hate our blueberries. After the break, Kelly and I chat 432 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: about finding our footing in the media boys club. There's 433 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 1: so much we could talk about, Kelly. But I do 434 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: want to ask you, obviously about just because I think 435 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: we have a lot in common being a woman, uh 436 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: fulfilling kind of the role of an archetype, being put 437 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: in a box and and sort of not being able 438 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: to expand outside the borders of that box. And but 439 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: but I want to ask you about your Live experience 440 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: because it was so sorre to me. Not although not really, 441 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: but you know, it sounds like the whole thing was fraught. 442 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: I would say that that fraught at least the beginning 443 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: of your career at Live, because you were sort of 444 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,719 Speaker 1: wide but sort of not, and it wasn't like it 445 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: was just this bizarre wooing process that wasn't really wooing, 446 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: but just kind of like, we've got to fill this 447 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: role and she's there, and it was a very uh 448 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: it was. It must have been a very strange experience. 449 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: And I think you captured really well in the book. Yeah, 450 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: thank you. Kind of what a mind funck. Excuse me, 451 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: it was right, Yeah, it was very strange because, um, 452 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: you know, I did not know. And again, much like 453 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: writing a book, ignorance sometimes really is bliss. I was 454 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: sort of baffled. I did not understand that there were 455 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: these two separate organizations, the network and the local affiliate 456 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: station W eight BC. Okay, they were partners in this show, 457 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: but they were enormously The heads of both organizations were 458 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: enormously distrustful of one another, less so on the ABC 459 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: network side and more so on the w a B 460 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: because the w ABC probably had a bit of an 461 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: inferiority complex. Well, I think they also felt like, well, 462 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: we were broadcasting this show locally. Now here they come 463 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: and they want to make it a national show, and 464 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: now they're going to try to control us, or who 465 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,719 Speaker 1: do they think they are? Or whatever. This is me 466 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: thinking aloud. You know, I'm not representing this in the book. 467 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm thinking aloud as to what the 468 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: what was the basis of this strange dynamic, strange dynamic 469 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: that I could not possibly understand because I was living 470 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: under this assumption that we were all on the same channel, 471 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: so we were all friends and Synergy and Disney and 472 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: La La La, and I did not realize that because 473 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 1: I was so wanted by the network, that I might 474 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: not be wanted to buy the W E B W 475 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: a BC faction right. And I didn't realize that until 476 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: much farther along. You know, Lauren R, my producer for 477 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: the podcast, was saying that, you know, Kathy Lee didn't 478 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: have that issue because she and Regious started together, but 479 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: then he was established. He probably felt or maybe that 480 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: contingent felt they were being bigfooted or forced to do 481 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: something by the network and not necessarily, Um, we're on 482 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: board with it, or you know, looking back on it, 483 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: what do you think you could have done to smooth 484 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: things over a little bit? Do you think, because I 485 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: think it's not that dissimilar from my experience at CBS 486 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: where Les Moonves, the head of Entertainment wooed me, but 487 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: I never got the complete buy in by the news division. 488 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: And I think that if I had politically, and I'm 489 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,959 Speaker 1: not very political, unfortunately, if I had politically like gone 490 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: to different people within the news division and really kind 491 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: of won them over, or at least had the knowledge 492 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: that they didn't want me there or they didn't want 493 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: me there, it would have been maybe slightly different. Do 494 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: you look think back on I. I mean, it's so 495 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's so interesting you say that. 496 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: And that's why I'm very careful to point out that 497 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: certainly wasn't Regis his fault. You know, I never blame 498 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: him in this book. I don't blame him at all 499 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: because he was a signed, a co host, and this 500 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: is a man that had earned his place in show 501 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: business and he had, you know, kept that train on 502 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: the track. So do you think if you had said, 503 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: I want to make sure Regis is okay with this, 504 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: that it might have made the transition easier. I think 505 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: that I was so unaware that he wasn't that he wasn't. 506 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: I never occurred to me that he would not have 507 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: the stamp of approval. You know what, I mean when 508 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: even when they said to me, it's not his choice 509 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: to make, it's our choice, and I was like, but 510 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: it should be his choice, and they said, well, we're 511 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: not going to force a host upon any other host, 512 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: you know, and then you realize, like that's totally untrue, 513 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: like that's exactly what happened, and and and it makes 514 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: me feel sad for for him. But I think eventually, 515 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: eventually we did like have a smooth like we smoothed 516 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: it out, like we worked. Because I'm a very honest 517 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: and earnest person, and like you, I am not political. 518 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: So it never occurred to me that I had to um, 519 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: I didn't even understand the dynamics, Like who would I 520 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: have spoken to? I thought I was speaking to the 521 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: people I needed to speak to. And I thought that 522 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: just me being there and being very deferential, and me 523 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: waiting my turn and taking my place and taking my 524 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: lums and accepting responsibilities for things that had nothing to 525 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: do with me, and playing that game. I thought that 526 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: I was doing all of that. I thought I was 527 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: doing all of the right things. You know, this is 528 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: where I think agents sometimes fall down on the job. 529 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: You know, they're so concerned with salaries, but they don't 530 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: actually make sure that the environment that they're putting clients 531 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: in is the right one. And I think the best 532 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: agents would really, you know, even those who call themselves managers, 533 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: would really take it upon themselves to help guide someone 534 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: and help smooth other of these rough edges and have 535 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: the foresight to understand that this dynamic might not be 536 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: helpful for their clients. Right. And it seemed to be 537 00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: exactly the previous statement was, it's more about the money 538 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: and the salary and their coin operators, and it was 539 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: more about UM not necessarily being concerned with what was 540 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: best for me or for Regius um, or it was 541 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: being concerned with the bottom line and UM not. You know, 542 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 1: even even the times I said, you know, this is 543 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: becoming this seems to be very challenging, and I feel 544 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: like I'm getting abused in the at least in the 545 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: tabloid press, I was very abused and uh, and there 546 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: was sort of this hands up, well, there's nothing we 547 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: can do about it. What do you want us to 548 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: do about it? You know? I know you say that 549 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 1: you you smooth things over, but it sounds like like 550 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: there were issues all along, and that even when we 551 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: just left the show, there was some kind of tension 552 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: or resentment, not that I was aware of, no, no, no, 553 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: it was it was like literally after the fact, and 554 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: like ten years after the foot but saying, like to 555 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: Larry King, misrepresenting kind of you. And you know, it 556 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: seems like he sort of from my impressions from the book, 557 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: when when you wanted to have a closer relationship, he 558 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: was a little talk to the hand ish it. He 559 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: believed and and because he had done the show for 560 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: so long that if you are working together, that is 561 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 1: where it begins and ends, and then you have your 562 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: life out. Any company think that was the case with 563 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: Kathy Lee too. I don't know. I don't know the 564 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: nature of their relationship. Again, I think power dynamics are 565 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: very different, and when you're two equals, that's a very 566 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: different thing than what I was perceived as coming in 567 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: as a secondary host. So I can't you know, It's 568 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 1: like I can't know that. I don't know what it 569 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: was like. I just know that these were the rules 570 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: that were established, like the conversations at had to be 571 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: saved for the air and only for the air, you know, 572 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: And was he worried that if you had more of 573 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 1: a social relationship, it might change the dynamic. I mean 574 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,800 Speaker 1: I remember thinking that with Matt and Brian, I didn't 575 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,439 Speaker 1: want to hang out with them, not that they wanted 576 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: to hang out with me. I didn't really want to 577 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: hang out with them because I thought, what if I 578 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: get mad, or what if someone says something, or what 579 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: if somebody gets drunk or It's like, I don't I 580 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: don't want that to interfere with our professional relationships. Well 581 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: that's what I said. I was like, only in this 582 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 1: day and age is now like we had a very 583 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 1: professional relationship, and now that has looked with like some 584 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: sense of scorn. And I said, there was a time 585 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: where that was to be revered professionalism in the workplace. 586 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: You know. Um, but you know, it's one of those 587 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: things that I feel like whatever notes we hit, we 588 00:35:54,440 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: hit correctly. And those the reason I transcripted those parts 589 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: of the book is because I wanted it to be accurate. 590 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: My opinion or my thought process as to that should 591 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: not like should not interfere as as to the reality 592 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: of what was said. It's like, these are the facts. 593 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: We saw each other. I saw him, he was on 594 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: our show, But then this interview happened where he said 595 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: he hadn't and was never invited, never called, and and 596 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:37,720 Speaker 1: so I thought, because I'm an idiot, I thought, well, 597 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: it's also easily irrefuted, irrefutable, and these the press will 598 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: do its job and say, actually, he was on the 599 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: show a few months ago, Actually he's been. And it 600 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,720 Speaker 1: was like radio silence. That story just spread like wildfire, 601 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: and I was baffled. I couldn't believe of it, and 602 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 1: I went I remember going into work the next day 603 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: and my producers all looked stricken, you know, kind of 604 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,720 Speaker 1: they felt bad for me. I think they felt bad 605 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,760 Speaker 1: for me, like I that it was being so misrepresented. 606 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: It was being misrepresented. Why do you think, why do 607 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: you think we just did that? I don't know. Ye 608 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: in the book, I don't know, and I still don't know. 609 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: And you wanted to basically set the record straight. I'm 610 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,959 Speaker 1: not an abandon er. I don't abandon People's not my thing. 611 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:39,319 Speaker 1: And and it's interesting because the reaction, I'm sure, the 612 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: tabloid reaction to this book, um, which I was sort 613 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: of warning you of. I think when I came on 614 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: the show, where things are taken out of context, twisted 615 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: or obviously conflicts cells right. But the only reaction to 616 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: the book was that that my husband made me pass 617 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: out while we were having sex. I mean that was 618 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 1: like that. That was the headline of the book. That's 619 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: a good story, which you're going to have to get 620 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: the book. Really is Mark dress Kelly and a really 621 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: bad outfit when she passed out to the hospital. But 622 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: that was the that was the big takeaway. And I 623 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: kept saying, what about the Regis stuff? Has that gotten 624 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: some some negative press? No? Just yeah, But that was 625 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: the only press that it got because I think people 626 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: read it and understood it and it was and went, 627 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it all makes sense now. Like so 628 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: you feel like you achieve what you set out to 629 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: in terms of not not not the whole book. I'm 630 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: just talking about that sort of misunderstanding and the fact 631 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 1: that you wanted to correct the record, which because I 632 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: think we're entitled to correct the record, especially if it's misrepresented. 633 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,800 Speaker 1: So that's why I, like I said, I don't represent 634 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: my opinion. I represent everything in transcripts because I think 635 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: it's more to have a transcript on record. And you know, 636 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: and again this is like one chapter. It's like it's 637 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: like I like people to focus on the book and 638 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: its totality, but I would be remiss if I didn't 639 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,959 Speaker 1: talk about my transition into that show, because it's such 640 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: a huge part of my life. Of course, while I'm 641 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: with your sister, I mean, I feel this the same 642 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: way about what I wrote about my book and various experiences. 643 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: It's I feel like not it's not a burn book. 644 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 1: I disparage anyone, I leave the reader. And again, people 645 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: who have read the book have a very different you know. 646 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: They It's the reason there were no headlines about that 647 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: chapter is because it's not headline generating, you know, and 648 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: people who have read it have this kind of understanding 649 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: about what it's like to work in a place that 650 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: it's not like organ an it where it's not two 651 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: people getting to know each other. It's like fast. It 652 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: happens fast. Everything happens fast, right, And then to have 653 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 1: something misrepresented about you in the press, what do you do? 654 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 1: Do you just hope it goes away or do you 655 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: set the record straight in real time? That's the whole 656 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: point of the story, you know, is that? But was 657 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: it frustrating? Because I do think there were some headlines 658 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: and I think that's what Kathie Lee was responding to 659 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: Um that that that did misrepresent what you were saying 660 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: in the book. Now I know there there really weren't. 661 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: I mean that the headlines were not disparaging, they were 662 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: not misrepresentative. That's what I was so surprised by the 663 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: headlines generated was that reaction to not headlines. So I 664 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: was sort of fascinated by, oh my gosh, these are 665 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 1: headlines that are now based on a non reader of 666 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:09,040 Speaker 1: the book, and before that there were no headlines. And 667 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: so it really did like, ultimately, I think, you know this, 668 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: like book sales are. It's really a very word of mouth. 669 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 1: And I'm not I'm not somebody that believes it all 670 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,399 Speaker 1: pr is good press is good press. I don't believe that. 671 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 1: But when it comes to selling a book, it is 672 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,760 Speaker 1: apparently it is, as you know, as you are now aware. 673 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: And so it's one of those things where I went, 674 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's so funny, Like I felt like 675 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: there there was a moment where I couldn't get my 676 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: book mentioned in in Vanity Fair in you know, glamour 677 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: in the New York Times, and then suddenly I can, 678 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 1: and it's like that shocking weird I go and here 679 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 1: I am again in this conundrum. Do I set the 680 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: record straight or do I just say thank you? And 681 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 1: I chose to say thank you. One of the things 682 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 1: that you know, you write about and is the fact 683 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 1: that you didn't have an office, You didn't have a desk, 684 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: you had no place to put your computer, and um, 685 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,640 Speaker 1: I didn't have a computer. You didn't have a confiding 686 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: that one. You know, but it took a while for 687 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: you to feel like you were part. Yeah, it sounds 688 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: like sort of a high school click that you couldn't penetrate. 689 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: And it kind of made me mad at at at 690 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,279 Speaker 1: Michael Gellman, you know it did. It made me mad 691 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, he's the executive producer of 692 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:38,360 Speaker 1: the show. He should be he should be supporting Kelly, 693 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,239 Speaker 1: he should be creating a culture where she's welcomed. And 694 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: it made me mad. You know, I don't think it's 695 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 1: his fault. I really don't. I don't put any responsibility 696 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 1: on him. I think it was a way that's not true. No, 697 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: I I understand, and a lot of people think like 698 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 1: they think they put it down to one person, like 699 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: well he's the boss. There there are so many people 700 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,439 Speaker 1: that were over his head and over all of our 701 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 1: heads that were worked above us. And you know, I 702 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 1: had and still have a great working relationship with him. 703 00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: And he has to walk a very fine line, a 704 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 1: tight rope. That's a tight rope walk not showing favorites, 705 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 1: not picking favorites, not and like say, and keeping your 706 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: own job in the process. It's hard. That's hard work. 707 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: And anytime something seems easy, it's hard, you know. And 708 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: so he's been the executive producer of that show for 709 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: all eight hundred and seventy two seasons or whatever, you know. 710 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: And it's like, I don't blame him because I think 711 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 1: he was doing the best he could in a very 712 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,760 Speaker 1: in a very delicate situation. It was also a different time, 713 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: you know. One of the things that people, I think 714 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,239 Speaker 1: sometimes don't understand. They read things that happened in the 715 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 1: past through a lens of the present exactly. And that 716 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,759 Speaker 1: was also very profound, that was very You cannot do 717 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,880 Speaker 1: this to the lens of the pressent. You should do 718 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: this for a living. You're very good. But no, you're right. 719 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: But that's why in the book I keep reminding everyone, 720 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,840 Speaker 1: if like women were created kind of like sex class citizens, 721 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: and that's the way it was. And I write about 722 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,680 Speaker 1: it in the context of the time, because it's important 723 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,439 Speaker 1: for people to gather the context of the time. These 724 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: were not unheard of things. This was not an ONI 725 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 1: was a very male dominated industry and U you know, 726 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: and full of big egoes and and so it was complicated. So, um, 727 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: what are you thinking about your future? Are you loving 728 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,759 Speaker 1: where you are? Still? You know, as somebody who did 729 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,919 Speaker 1: a morning show for fifteen years and and really appreciated 730 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,919 Speaker 1: every day. But it started to feel like groundhog Day 731 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,640 Speaker 1: at some point, where like how many segments it's about? 732 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: You know, what are the best genes for your body? 733 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,719 Speaker 1: I could I do? I also think about, you know, 734 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: the young blood fresh people coming in. I think about 735 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: it all the time. I'm very cognizant of that, you know, 736 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,359 Speaker 1: and I discussed it a lot, you know, every time 737 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: we have somebody on the show that's young and funny 738 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 1: and effervescent or even you know, by young, I mean 739 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 1: just younger than me, you know, um, effervescent, interesting. I 740 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: always I always turned a gouman and I'll say, you know, 741 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: you should you should look at her first. You should 742 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,839 Speaker 1: look at her for you know, co host. Like when 743 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 1: I go on vacation ever sit in a chair with 744 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,719 Speaker 1: Ryan um and and same with guys. I look at 745 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,120 Speaker 1: guys and I'm like, you know, you should take a 746 00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,280 Speaker 1: look at this guy. Because I'm very cognizant. I believe 747 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: that as a franchise show. I don't think I'm the 748 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,759 Speaker 1: host of the show. I don't think the shows a 749 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,240 Speaker 1: success because of me. I don't think it's a success 750 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,600 Speaker 1: because of any one person. It is a group effort 751 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:09,399 Speaker 1: and come on, your important people like continuity, but they 752 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: also enjoy that shot in the arm of the you know, 753 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: the breath of fresh air. Remember when you were the 754 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,799 Speaker 1: breath of fresh air. I remember when I was the 755 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: breath of fresh air. You know what I mean? I 756 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 1: remember that, you know? Uh? And so you don't want 757 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:28,359 Speaker 1: to be like the the person you don't want hot breath? Yeah, 758 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,719 Speaker 1: you know what breath garlet stuff that stayed around too long. 759 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,399 Speaker 1: But when you think about it, do you think like 760 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: five years, two years, or do you think of do 761 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,359 Speaker 1: you think like that? You know? I mean I think 762 00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: if I thought like that, I would really you know, 763 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 1: if I thought like in terms of years, it would 764 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: be really too terrifying. I still would not have gotten 765 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,160 Speaker 1: past three years. You know, if they said three years 766 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: from now, I'd be like three years. It's more of 767 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,880 Speaker 1: a I think you know, and you know you know, 768 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 1: and and and when they know, they know, you know, 769 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,319 Speaker 1: and I think it's got to be that group discussion 770 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,879 Speaker 1: and hopefully you know before they know. Well, I mean, 771 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,880 Speaker 1: I think I actually think I do know. I'm not 772 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,959 Speaker 1: willing to actually discuss it if you generate all sorts 773 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: of panic stricken headlines, but um, you know, I have 774 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,839 Speaker 1: a very good idea it is. You know, it is 775 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,439 Speaker 1: definitely like a finite amount of time. I'm not I'm 776 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,800 Speaker 1: not you know, working there. You're not going to be 777 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:39,400 Speaker 1: walking No, No, I'm not. It's it's not a forever job, 778 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: and nor should it be. You know, everybody should get 779 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,520 Speaker 1: to I mean, I wish everybody could experience it and 780 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:52,160 Speaker 1: they might have a better uh comprehension of how difficult 781 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 1: it can be. Sometimes is um, but it's mostly a 782 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: high honor to be welcomed into people's homes, you know. 783 00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,600 Speaker 1: Kelly Ripper's book is called Live Wire Long Winded Short Stories, 784 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: and it's out now. Next Question with Katie Kurik is 785 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,280 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Media and Katie Curic Media. 786 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,719 Speaker 1: The executive producers Army, Katie Curic, and Courtney Litz. The 787 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 1: supervising producer is Lauren Hansen. Associate producers Derek Clements and 788 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,240 Speaker 1: Adriana Fasio. The show is edited and mixed by Derrick Clements. 789 00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,560 Speaker 1: For more information about today's episode, or to sign up 790 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,280 Speaker 1: for my morning newsletter, Wake Up Paul, go to Katie 791 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,000 Speaker 1: Currek dot com. You can also find me at Katie 792 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,680 Speaker 1: Curic on Instagram and all my social media channels. 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