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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Chris Hary with you on a brand new

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Speaker 1: episode of Chargers Weekly. With the NFL Draft just twenty

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Speaker 1: one days away, we thought Chargers fans deserved answers to

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Speaker 1: twenty one draft questions. Over the next seventy minutes, you'll

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Speaker 1: hear insight from CBS Sports as Will Brinson, Pro Football focuses,

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Speaker 1: Mike Renner, and we'll start with CBS Sports draft writer

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Speaker 1: Chris Trapasso. All right, we're three weeks out from the

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen NFL Draft. Very please be joined by Chris

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Speaker 1: Trapasso of CBS Sports here on Chargers Weekly. And Chris,

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Speaker 1: I know you're a very busy man in April. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you spend some time with us. How are you, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty good, Chris, Thanks for having me. So

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Speaker 1: what are the next few weeks like for you? The

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Speaker 1: haze in the bar and I imagine right with film

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Speaker 1: in all the offseason draft events on the calendar, what

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Speaker 1: are the next three weeks like for you? It's really

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Speaker 1: about finding guys in that fifth to seventh round range,

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Speaker 1: finding some more film on them to see if maybe

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Speaker 1: he liked them a little bit more than he thought

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Speaker 1: the first time around, or finding a small school prospect,

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Speaker 1: getting some from on him to get you know, some

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Speaker 1: because you are right that, you know, with the guys

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Speaker 1: all them, have everything written up about them, still obviously

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Speaker 1: writing every day for CBS, you know, just based on

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Speaker 1: what I've seen, but finding and kind of uncovering those

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Speaker 1: when he was a junior. Like I said earlier, a

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Speaker 1: small school guy, a backup. Because there's always those players

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Speaker 1: Chargers have had some success with guys like that. I

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Speaker 1: an important part of the process. So Chris is going

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Speaker 1: to hit leadoff for us on these twenty one draft questions.

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Speaker 1: He gets the first seven and Chris will just start

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Speaker 1: at the top. The first one is this who should

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Speaker 1: It's a two parter. Yeah, two part questions, so I'll

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Speaker 1: almost been considered a lock since being at the combine

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Speaker 1: I think Nick Bosa should go number one overall. To me,

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Speaker 1: With his brother Joey being in the NFL and being

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Speaker 1: that was really my only concern with him, to see

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Speaker 1: number two here, Chris. How many defensive linemen and that

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Speaker 1: So for a team like the Chargers that maybe wants

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Speaker 1: let's go to number four. Which offensive lineman do you

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Speaker 1: The NFL Draft Advisory Board said, hey, maybe you should

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Speaker 1: I would pick him way later than that. It was

430
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Speaker 1: weird at the combine for as well as the defensive tackles,

431
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Speaker 1: the edge rushers, and especially the receivers, the corners, everyone

432
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 1: tested while all those positions, and the running backs when

433
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 1: they had their day, they all ran a lot slower

434
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Speaker 1: than expected. Just about. There were a few kind of standouts,

435
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 1: but not nearly as many as before. And Josh Jacobs

436
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 1: didn't run and then he ran into Alabama Pro Day

437
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, ran in the four sixes.

438
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 1: He just ran yesterday apparently in the four or five.

439
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 1: But I find that a little suspicious. So it's a

440
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Speaker 1: good running back class if you need a quality contributor

441
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Speaker 1: that might have the chance to be your top running back,

442
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: but is more likely a running back too, you know,

443
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Speaker 1: to go in the second or third round. But I

444
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Speaker 1: can really I would not be surprised if running backs

445
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Speaker 1: if there are no running backs in the first round.

446
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 1: And I'm safety, same thing. I like the safety class,

447
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: and I think we're going to see a run on

448
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 1: them in the second and third rounds, but maybe one

449
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 1: sneaks into the back end of the first round. But

450
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Speaker 1: they're just isn't really that Derwin James type of player

451
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Speaker 1: this year. And I don't still don't know how he

452
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 1: felt the number seventeen overall, he was buying number two

453
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Speaker 1: overall player last year. But anyway, that's beside the point.

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Speaker 1: There's just not really that game changer Malie Cooker from

455
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Speaker 1: Ohio State a couple of years ago one to the

456
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Speaker 1: Cools just game changers at the center field spot. Like

457
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Speaker 1: I said, Derwin changer is not that type of player.

458
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Speaker 1: There's a lot more strong safety corner hybrid types that

459
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Speaker 1: I think are valuable, but not seen in the type

460
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Speaker 1: of light that will put them in the first round.

461
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: So running back in safeties, I had to pick two positions.

462
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Speaker 1: I won't be surprised if either one of those two

463
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Speaker 1: aren't picked until the second round. Chris, just a piggyback

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Speaker 1: off that. Who do you think is the top safety

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Speaker 1: in this JEF. You hear a lot about Nazi Adderley

466
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: from from Delaware, the small school kid. Yeah, he's actually

467
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Speaker 1: my number three safety right now. My top guy is

468
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Speaker 1: Jon Thornhill from Virginia. That he's a converted cornerback, so

469
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Speaker 1: you know he has the ball skills. He was really

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Speaker 1: productive in the interception department at Virginia. And I mentioned

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Speaker 1: that Malie Cooker from Ohio State who's been really good

472
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Speaker 1: for the Colts when he's been helping his first two seasons.

473
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Speaker 1: He to me, has the best range that I've seen

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Speaker 1: since I've been scouting. He's probably up there with Earl

475
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: Thomas JN. Thornhill's pretty close to that group in terms

476
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Speaker 1: of his speed, his awareness from the middle of the field.

477
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Speaker 1: We saw at the by and he had a vertical

478
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Speaker 1: jump fort crazy broad John Brand in the four four,

479
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: so you know he has it athletically too, and he

480
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: had high tackle numbers as well, So he was a

481
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Speaker 1: really really active player, kind of flying under the radar

482
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Speaker 1: because he was at Virginia. They didn't win a lot

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Speaker 1: of games in the A SEC. But I just think

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Speaker 1: he's someone that can give you the most bang for

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Speaker 1: your buck in terms of interceptions, pass breakups. You can

486
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Speaker 1: get that extra defender in the box by playing single

487
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: hide with him on your roster. So he's my favorite,

488
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Speaker 1: but there's a big clump. I have a lot of

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Speaker 1: close grades in the second and third round. All right, Chris,

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Speaker 1: number six. This is one of my favorite questions because

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Speaker 1: I remember last year when Tremaine Edmonds was drafted by

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Speaker 1: the Bills at sixteen overall. That wasn't a surprise. I

493
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Speaker 1: think a lot of people thought he was going to

494
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Speaker 1: be you know, a top fifteen pick, he goes at sixteen. Well,

495
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Speaker 1: it was a surprise to me. Was his brother going

496
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Speaker 1: twelve selections later, Terrell Edmunds to the Steelers. And it's

497
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Speaker 1: not because he's not a good player. He had a

498
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Speaker 1: good year. He started fifteen game, but no one talked

499
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Speaker 1: about him as a first round pick in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: So my question to you is who's the most surprising

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Speaker 1: first round pick in twenty nineteen. Yeah, this is one

502
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Speaker 1: of my, uh like, most fun topics to talk about

503
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Speaker 1: because I think we get to a point every year

504
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Speaker 1: and right around now where we okay, here are the

505
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Speaker 1: guys that are that are going to go in the

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Speaker 1: first round, and there's usually more than thirty two, but

507
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Speaker 1: we have about thirty five to forty guys. These are

508
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Speaker 1: going to be the ones, and every year there's one

509
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Speaker 1: to two players. I mean, even where Shad Penny going

510
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: to the Seahawks plays, no one saw him in the

511
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Speaker 1: first round. So to me, yeah, there's you always have

512
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Speaker 1: to be on the lookout for those players. They're usually

513
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Speaker 1: guys that test really well at to combine. I think

514
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Speaker 1: a general manager can sell that to his owner a

515
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: little bit better than oh, he didn't test well. To me,

516
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Speaker 1: Caleb McGarry, the tackle from Washington, had a really good workout,

517
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Speaker 1: has kind of been known as one of the strongest

518
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Speaker 1: players in college football. He stepped in really well for

519
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 1: his teammate Trey Adams, who went into the season at

520
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: Washington has kind of maybe the presume top tackle got

521
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: injured again, he's actually staying at Washington, So yeah, Caleb

522
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Speaker 1: McGary to me, I didn't absolutely love his film, but

523
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Speaker 1: I think he has the profile of one of those

524
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Speaker 1: kind of surprising first round picks, and it's going to

525
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: be a position in need. I think we talked about

526
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Speaker 1: how the leave the tackle class is gonna push down

527
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Speaker 1: some positions. I think it will push down off this

528
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 1: attack a little bit. But after Jonah Williams, Jowan Taylor,

529
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Speaker 1: m Andre Dillard from Washington State, I think there are

530
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Speaker 1: still gonna be some teams there, those contenders picking in

531
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Speaker 1: the late twenties and that needs some tackle help. Maybe

532
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Speaker 1: you know, it could be the Chargers. But I think

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Speaker 1: Caleb McGary has the athletic profile, very strong, powerful player,

534
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: good feet. I could see him being one of those

535
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: sneaky late first round picks. Love it, love it. He's

536
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Speaker 1: a big kid too, right, Yeah, he's like six to seven,

537
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: had pretty long arms, three hundred and twenty h pounds,

538
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: so he checks line of the physical boxes. I think

539
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: he could be a little better, a little bit better

540
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: in pass protection, but I think an offensive line coach

541
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: would love to be able to mold that to the player.

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Speaker 1: All right, Chris, this has been awesome. Last question for you,

543
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Speaker 1: Based on everything we talked about, who do you think

544
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Speaker 1: the Chargers should select at twenty eight overall? Obviously I

545
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: look at needs on his football team. I think offensive

546
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: line and defensive line. I think any NFL team could

547
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: further bolster that and feel good about it coming out

548
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: of a draft. Who do you think the Chargers should

549
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: select a number twenty eight? The guy that I've knocked

550
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: to them the most. It's kind of weird. He's actually

551
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: a player that I have in my top ten overall prospects,

552
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: but I think he'll probably last to twenty eight. Jerry

553
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: Hillery from Notre Dame. He's not someone that fits the

554
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: profile of a you know, big block, eating space eating

555
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: nose tackle. He's taller, he's almost sixty seven. But you

556
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: turn on any noted name game last year really in

557
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: the last two seasons, and he was so disruptive in

558
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: the run game and especially as a pass rusher. He

559
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: has long, really strong arms that he uses well. A

560
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: lot of guys on the defensive line can just win

561
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: with their athleticism, and they even at the college level

562
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: and a high level, they just lean on that. But

563
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: Hillary did test as a good athlete for his position,

564
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: even though he's kind of uniquely sized. But he uses

565
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Speaker 1: his hands. He has a variety of pass rushing moveho

566
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: was a really heavy hand, you know, when he's using

567
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: the swim move or a slight move. The offensive lineman

568
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: feel it. I think he would be the perfect type

569
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Speaker 1: of player to be between Joey Boza and Melvin Ingram

570
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: On that defensive line. They've had Brandon he been there

571
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: for a while, who's just more of a space eater.

572
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: It certainly did a good job in that rule. But

573
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: if you could say, hey, we have these two great

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Speaker 1: edge rushers and we can create pressure in the middle

575
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: him and Justin Jones inside their rump picked from last

576
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: year out of nty states that I liked a lot,

577
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: then you're talking about arguably one of the best defensive lines.

578
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Speaker 1: You know, front fours in the entire NFL, and I think,

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00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, we have seen being in that division with

580
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: the Kent City Chiefs creating pressure, Hontets Mahomes will be paramounts.

581
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: So I think he would be the perfect pick or

582
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: any one of these top defensive tackles, because that just

583
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: seems like the biggest need for a team that otherwise

584
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: is a pretty well rounded roster. Chris, the reason I

585
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: love that pick is not only how he would compliment

586
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Speaker 1: Ingram and Bosa, but the Chargers identified a couple other

587
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: pass rushers too. You Chenna Nuosu, who had that great

588
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: strip sack at the end of the playoff game against

589
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: the Ravens, had a really good year to close the year.

590
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: And Isaac Roschell, who was Tillary's teammate at Notre Dame,

591
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: filled in for Bosa, did a really good job at

592
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: six sacks last year. He actually said he talked to

593
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: Tillary recently and was like, Hey, what's all this buzz about.

594
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: And obviously the Chargers are not connected to you know,

595
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: media mock drafts, but it's just funny because you do

596
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: see Tillery's name associated with the Chargers. Yeah, and it's

597
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Speaker 1: just I rememberstand it personally, Like I said, I have

598
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Speaker 1: him as my number seven overall player. Honestly, I didn't

599
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: expect him to have the combine that he did, being

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Speaker 1: six to seven and around three hundred pounds as you'd

601
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Speaker 1: be a little stiffer, and he had one of the

602
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: best workouts of any of the defensive tackles. He just

603
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: seems like a player that doesn't have a ton of

604
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: buzz about him, didn't have crazy gaudy statistics. I think

605
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: his pressures stats were pretty good. And after a lot

606
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Speaker 1: of the more highly talented players like Christian Wilkins at Clemson,

607
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: like Dexter Laurencetick Clemson, Quinnon Williams obviously from Alabama's probably

608
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: going to go into the top five. He seems like

609
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Speaker 1: in that second tier of top prospects. So I think

610
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Speaker 1: after a lot of those players going out of the

611
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Speaker 1: d Rushers go, he could still be available and it

612
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: would be a perfect fit on one of the to me,

613
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Speaker 1: a defense that is kind of trending what the whole

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Speaker 1: NFL needs to be, a lot of defensive backs on

615
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Speaker 1: the field, a lot of you know, different packages up front.

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Speaker 1: Just a really good player that I think would be

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00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: a perfect fit and it would fill an immediate need.

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Speaker 1: Chris Trapasso, CBS Sports. What a great way to kick

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Speaker 1: off this podcast. Chris, where can we find you on

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Speaker 1: Twitter and CBS Sports and what do you have going

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Speaker 1: on over the next few weeks. I'm just on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at Chris Trapasso and all my works at cbsports dot com,

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Speaker 1: slash NFL, slash Draft. I have an article coming out

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Speaker 1: this week called Buyer Beware and just some of the

625
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Speaker 1: profects that to me are a little bit overvalued at

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Speaker 1: this point. I'm kind of, you know, spelling out why

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Speaker 1: I think they might struggle early in their careers. I'm

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Speaker 1: not that much of a down just an article idea

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Speaker 1: that we thought of because I've gone through so many.

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Speaker 1: And then next week I'm starting a project. I'm ranking

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Speaker 1: the specific skills of some of the position players and

632
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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. Who has the best deep call accuracy, who's

633
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: the best inside the pocket, which running back is the

634
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: best at eluding defenders, Who is the most powers. It's

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Speaker 1: one that I did last year I think was a

636
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Speaker 1: lot of fun and kind of gives readers an inside

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Speaker 1: look at some of these top prospects. All right, we

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Speaker 1: now pass the baton to Mike Renner of Pro Football Focus. Mike,

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Speaker 1: I always appreciate you joining us, man. How are you.

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00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Thanks for having back on, dude. I'm

641
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Speaker 1: always pumped to have you or Steve Palazzolo on this

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Speaker 1: time of year because you guys have seen things through

643
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: a different lens during the draft season. And brag on

644
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: you a little bit because you had Derwin James Is

645
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,719
Speaker 1: the top five pick last year. You're big on Mohurst,

646
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: guys like Michael Gallup, different from what the mainstream media

647
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: seems to mock this time of year. Yeah, I think

648
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: we just look at draft prospects through a little different lens,

649
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: and we also have a lot of data at our

650
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: at our hands, at our fingertips to be able to

651
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: help us out with our evaluations. So I think from

652
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: that point of view, from that perspective, we're just going

653
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: to have a different evaluation than someone who's just purely

654
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: watching film, going off box score stats, you know, watching

655
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: three or four games. We get to watch, you know,

656
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: pretty much every graded play for a guy for a

657
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: season because we can pick out those key plays, just

658
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: get at those more important plays to watch, and so

659
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: from that point of view, we're just going to differ

660
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Speaker 1: from a lot of the popular narratives. All right, man,

661
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: well let's pick this thing up. Question number eight. The

662
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: best prospect that no one is talking about right now

663
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Speaker 1: is who in your eyes? So I'm going to go

664
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Speaker 1: with someone that I think really literally, no one's talking

665
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: about it, and it's yelde Froholt, the Arkansas guard. And

666
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: I get that that's really there's a probably a reason

667
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: why no one's talking about it. Could people don't really

668
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: like to talk about guards anyway. But I think you're

669
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Speaker 1: right up there with Chris Lindstrom in terms of the

670
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Speaker 1: top pure guard prospects. You know, guys who actually played

671
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: guard in college in this class only allowed five pressures

672
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: all last season playing SEC competition there at Arkansas. And

673
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: if you go, I'd recommend to anyone who really, you know,

674
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: like scouting, like watch and these players, to go watch

675
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: him against Quinn Williams in that Alabama Arkansas game in

676
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: this past season. He did better than any offical linement

677
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: I saw this season against him. So I think he's

678
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: a Day two type of prospect. I haven't heard really

679
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: anyone say anything about this guy though. The guard positions

680
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: interesting because I remember just like several years back when

681
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: when Brandon Sherriff was like fifth overall pick. I think

682
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: it was to the Redskins, and it's just a safe pick, right,

683
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: and you know he was hurt last year, but he

684
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 1: was really a mainstay on that offensive line. Chris Lindstrom,

685
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: You're the third person that's mentioned Chris Lindstrom to me

686
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,479
Speaker 1: in the last week. Why are we not hearing about

687
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: Lindstrom getting first round? But it seems like he's more

688
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: of a Day two pick as well. Well. I just

689
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: don't think he has the physicality that you saw from

690
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: guys No. One in the first round the season, or

691
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: even the tackle prospects in this class that you could

692
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: move into guard like to Cody Fords Dalon Reiseners. He's

693
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: not as physically imposing as those guys on tape in

694
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Speaker 1: the run game off of the line, coaches still want

695
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: to see you be people movers in the run game.

696
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: That's not Lindstrom, but in the past and gaming critically

697
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 1: athletic us his hands extremely well with a former tackle

698
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: there at Boston College up until this past season. So

699
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: I think from that perspective, that's what we really focus on.

700
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: That's why we're high on listrom as well in terms

701
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: of he's probably the best past checking guard in this class.

702
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: And that's why I think we have them right around

703
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: at the end of the first round type of j

704
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: all right, Mike, next question, and there's probably not a

705
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: wrong answer to this in terms of who you think

706
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Speaker 1: will be a better pro, Nick Bosa or Quinny Williams.

707
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: And you just mentioned Quinny Williams, And the reason I

708
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 1: wanted to include him here is because I think he's

709
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: Wasn't he like the highest grade you've ever given a

710
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: defensive tackle? He's then highest grade we've ever given a

711
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. It's Quinny Williams is past scary. Yes, So

712
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Speaker 1: who do you think is going to end up being

713
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: the best pro in terms of what you've seen from

714
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Speaker 1: Nick Bosa I know he was heard from majority of

715
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Speaker 1: the year, or Quinn and Williams, who had a awesome

716
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. I'm going to sort of punt on this

717
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: question say that Bosa will be a more valuable pro

718
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: because edge pressure in our analytics point to being a

719
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: more valuable pressure than up in the middle because it

720
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: leads to more sacks, leads to more forced fumbles. So

721
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: from that perspective, the edge is more valuable, So I'm

722
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Speaker 1: going to say both will be a more valuable pro.

723
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Speaker 1: Now debating which one's going to better, they're both fantastic.

724
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: They're both in my opinion sure things in terms of

725
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: projecting from college to the pro. Their games are going

726
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: to translate with their athleticism and how we're fined they

727
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: are technically, So I think both will be fantastic. I

728
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: think both The value there is why he'll be the better.

729
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: Proud guess all right, Next question, d line is absolutely

730
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Speaker 1: loaded in that first round. What position group after defensive

731
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Speaker 1: line do you think has the most depth that you'll

732
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: be able to find some really good players on Day

733
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Speaker 1: two and Day three. That's tough. I think off of

734
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 1: the tackle actually maybe has probably i'd say the best

735
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: class after defensive line, but I think a lot of

736
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 1: them are going to go early. I think you'll see five,

737
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: maybe six go on Day one of the draft in

738
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: the first round of this draft, and then after that

739
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: is be a little more slim pickings. I think Day

740
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: two you'll find a lot of good wide receivers. There's

741
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of those guys pushed down draft

742
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: boards to be very immediate contributors in round two. And

743
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: I think you'll find a lot of good safeties too,

744
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: because I don't think a lot of safeties are going

745
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: to go round one, but I think eight to ten

746
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: could go in round two with how deep the safety classes.

747
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: So I say on Day two, the best values will

748
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: probably be at wide receiver in safety. That's interesting because

749
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: we hear about some guys like like Marquis Brown and

750
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: DK Medcalf and just a fact it. Let's say five

751
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: offensive lineman go into first round. Couple that with double

752
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: digit defensive lineman. You're gonna have a lot of talent

753
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: that gets pushed back to the end of the first round. Yeah,

754
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: that's how I feel. I think people the run's going

755
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: to be on defense. There's just such high level defensive

756
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: talent and then a big drop off between the defensive

757
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: lineman you're gonna be finding at pick say fifteen, versus

758
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: defensive lineman you're gonna be finding at pick fifty. That's

759
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: a huge drop off. Whereas the wide receivers you're finding

760
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: at pick fifteen compared to the wide receivers you're finding

761
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: at pick fifty will not be at nearly as big

762
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: of a drop off, so I think we see a

763
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: run on that D line. That's where the talent goes,

764
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: and we'll see some offensive skill positions go later than

765
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: in round two. All Right, My question, Levin rank the

766
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: top three corners in this draft. I think it's an

767
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: interesting draft class. I hear about Greedy Williams, you hear

768
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: about guys like Byron Murphy. Who do you think of

769
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: the top three cornerbacks in this draft? And how do

770
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: you view the cornerback class as a whole. Yeah, I

771
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: don't think there's any surefire studs in this class. There's

772
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: no one in my eyes like Denzel Ward from a

773
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: season ago, where I just think the translation is so

774
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: easy in terms of athleticism on still production, it's just

775
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: going to work out. All these guys have their question marks,

776
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: but I do think I would rank them if I

777
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: had to. I go Byron Murphy number one, just because

778
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: I think the teams that will cover the skill set

779
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: are going to be zone heavy teams and he is

780
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: exceptional in zone defense that he will be one of

781
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: the best zone corners if you plug him in that

782
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: sort of defense the forty times then and his own

783
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: defense doesn't bother me nearly as much. I think plugging

784
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: him in that defense, he's going to have success in

785
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: the NFL. And then similarly with Greedy Williams, he goes

786
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: to a man heavy defense, is able to you know,

787
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: go and press covers a good amount of of snaps.

788
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: I think he will have success in the NFL as well.

789
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: So I think those two translate are pretty good translations

790
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: to the NFL. But they have their flaws Green Williams

791
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: and off coverage has flaws. Press coverage has flaws. They

792
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: both have kind of system specific at that point. Sure,

793
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: DeAndre Baker then would be my third, not as you know,

794
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: scheme specific, but he has his flaws in terms of

795
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: I worry about him down the field. He was incredibly

796
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: physical down the field. He's just not going to be

797
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: able to get away with the physicality he showed at

798
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: George or we can just chuck receivers ten yards down

799
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: the field and then we didn't run a great fortieth combine.

800
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: So those two things sort of in Tande'll make me

801
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: worry about his ability to play the ball down the

802
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: field and the fact that he might get beat deep

803
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: a handful times early in his career. But I still

804
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: like what he can do in the underneath the game.

805
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: I think even if you stuck with the slock corner,

806
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: he'll be one of the better slock corners in the NFL.

807
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: That is what you're stuck with, all right, my dis question.

808
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: I'm excited to ask you because I think you guys

809
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: have a unique vantage point. What first round lock in

810
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: these mock drafts that you've seen over the last several

811
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: months won't be selected in the first round, maybe not

812
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: even in the second round. It could be maybe a

813
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: Day two or Day three pick. I don't think there's

814
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: any first round real lock, like top fifteen guy that

815
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: we're seeing right now that's really going to see that

816
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: sort of slide. But a ton of mock drafts that

817
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: I've seen have at Josh Jacob, the Alabama running back,

818
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: going in the first round, and I just think we're

819
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: gonna this is the year we finally see NFL teams

820
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: wise up and realize that that guy that we're drafting

821
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: at twenty five overall or twenty whatever overall, and Josh

822
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: Jacobs is not going to be that much different than

823
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: the guy you can get at eighty in the middle

824
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: of the third round. There's not going to be a

825
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: big difference between him and say David Montgomery in the

826
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Speaker 1: third It's not going to make that big of an

827
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Speaker 1: impact on your football team, where a pretty much every

828
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: other position on the football field, the difference where you're

829
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: selecting at twenty five and in the eighties is going

830
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: to be a fast difference. You're gonna be getting a

831
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: completely different player. So I do think this I think

832
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: is the year with he teams wise up in that

833
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: regard and don't see a running back taken in the

834
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Speaker 1: first round, Mike, what potential Day three pick has Pro

835
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: Bowl potential? And I bring this up because two years ago,

836
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: Desmond King goes in the fifth round and he was

837
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: just a ballplayer. He was a ball hawk in Iowa.

838
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: He just made plays, and you fast forward two seasons,

839
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: he's first team All Pro in twenty eighteen. Is there

840
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: somebody in this draft class with that kind of potential

841
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: that maybe scouts just aren't as high on and don't

842
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: think that they maybe they translate to the NFL as

843
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: well as they played in college. Yeah, well, I think

844
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: I already touched on Y'adi pro Bold earlier, so I'll

845
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: go elsewhere with this. I think Lake Cashman, the Minnesota linebacker,

846
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: a little undersized for the position, short arms, but he

847
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: can cover ground and coverage and make plays as well

848
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: as any linebacker not named you know, Devin Whitter dep

849
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: Bush in this draft class. I think he's I haven't

850
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: seen a lot of you know, coverage being too high

851
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: and I'm a lot of scouts being too high in him.

852
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 1: I think he does end up going Day three at linebacker,

853
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: but I think what he can do in terms of

854
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: sideline and sideline speed, what do he brings the table there?

855
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: I think he has that sort of potential to be

856
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Speaker 1: that guy. All right. My final question, brother, who do

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Speaker 1: you envision being that best player available when the Chargers

858
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Speaker 1: select at the end of the first round. You know,

859
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Speaker 1: I look at linebacker, I look at offensive line, defensive line,

860
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: maybe a corner. Who do you think would be the

861
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Speaker 1: best fit at the end of the first round for

862
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: the Bolts. I think there's two names that I'd be

863
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Speaker 1: looking for if I'm the Chargers for you know, optimal

864
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Speaker 1: situations or optimal guys to fall to me. One is

865
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Speaker 1: Jerry Tillery at the Notre Dame defensive tackle. We have

866
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: him as a top ten player in our class. I

867
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Speaker 1: think is what he can do bring the table as

868
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: a pass rusher, and what he could do on stunts,

869
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: especially from what we saw that Notre Dame, and how

870
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: valuable that would be to the Chargers would be. It

871
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: would just take that pass rush to the next level.

872
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 1: With him ingram Bosa, that would be an dynamic trio

873
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: of pass rushers there on that defensive line. So I

874
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: think he would be the ideal situation. Also, Nazi Adderlie

875
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people who have mocked him there, I know,

876
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: but the combination of Adderley's ball skills and explosiveness in

877
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: the middle of the field with Derwin James on up

878
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: around the line of scrimmage, there's two guys who can

879
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: cover a lot of ground in the middle of that field,

880
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: shut down a lot of passing lanes. I think that

881
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: would also be an ideal fit for the Chargers. I

882
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: love it. Mike Renterer Pro Football Focus, Mike, what are

883
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Speaker 1: the next few weeks look like for you and what

884
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: should people expect from Pro Football Focus here. Yeah, we're

885
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Speaker 1: gonna be dropping a top hundred players next Monday, I believe,

886
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: and then at two fifty the week after that. So

887
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: get our draft boards coming up, and then you can

888
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: get all the profiles on those guys. If you get

889
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: our Draft Guide with a Edge or Elite subscription to

890
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: the PF Data data, you won't find anywhere else covered staffs,

891
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: pass rushing statts. A lot of stuff also coming up

892
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: on the website in terms of player profiles, so make

893
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: sure and check all of that out. Stuff you can't

894
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: get anywhere else. Great stuff, dude. I really appreciate your

895
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: time you guys do all some work and look forward

896
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: to catching up here shortly. Yeah, for sure, thanks for

897
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Speaker 1: having me. All Right, it's time to bring in the

898
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: closer CBS Sports as Will Britson joins me in front

899
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Speaker 1: of the program, co host of the Pick six podcast.

900
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: It's a must listen and we'll talk about the podcast first. Will,

901
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: let's just get it out of the way because people

902
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: need to be listening this time of year. Yeah, it's

903
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: we're doing daily. Uh. It's a grind in the off season, Chris.

904
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: But it's so fun man. Yeah. Uh, it's the it's

905
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: the it's the new way to listen to radio. It's

906
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: in your inbox every morning by us like seven am,

907
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: give or take, and we're always cranking out good guests.

908
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: We need to get you on sometime as we uh

909
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: sort of do a team by team breakdowns. Dude, I'd

910
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: love to. I wouldn't. I wouldn't if I Usually most

911
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: days features my son screaming about cookies and milk and

912
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: coming up and like it's like he has like a

913
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: second uh, like a like a second level instincts when

914
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: it comes to realizing, like he knows what I'm doing

915
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: now when I'm on when I'm like podcasting, and he

916
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: knows he can get whatever he wants. I'm like, I'm

917
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: literally pouring him a glass no, because he he knows,

918
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: he knows if I'm talking on the telephone loudly about sports,

919
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: that it means that he can come up and ask

920
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: for anything and I have to give it to him

921
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: or else I risk him like throwing a tantrum on

922
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: like a National Chargers podcast. Well, I hope he does

923
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Speaker 1: make it appearance at subpoint over the next seven questions,

924
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: you know, will You're into Carolinas And I figured this

925
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: would be a good way to kick things off because

926
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Speaker 1: we get this question every single year this time of year,

927
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Speaker 1: probably the last five years. Is this the year the

928
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: Bolts draft the eventual successor to fill up rivers? Twenty nineteen,

929
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: maybe they'll draft Ryan Finley, go back to back in

930
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: c ST about that. You know, it could be, I

931
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't I think something like that would make sense in

932
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: terms of I think Ryan Finley's a Day three type

933
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: of guy, maybe a Will Greer type of guy. I

934
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: don't think that this is the year that they draft

935
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: the successor. Like it won't be a situation where when

936
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Speaker 1: they drafted to me, it won't be when they drafted

937
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: Philip very high in the draft, you know, fourth overall,

938
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Speaker 1: they had the drafted Elion and traded for and whatever

939
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: it was, and they had Drew Brees on the roster.

940
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be something like that

941
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: this year. I think I don't think this class is

942
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: very conducive to that, because it would mean that you

943
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: would have to take a Daniel Jones late in the

944
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Speaker 1: first round or trade up to go to Dwayne Haskins,

945
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: and the Charterers to me view themselves as too competitive

946
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: in the twenty nineteen year to do that. I actually,

947
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: interestingly enough, in my I had a mock draft that

948
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Speaker 1: came out on Wednesday, and I had them taking somebody

949
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: from Nty State as its successor. But it was Garrett

950
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: Bradberry thinking like maybe looking ahead and saying, all right,

951
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: you know, Mark, Mike Council only has one year left

952
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: on this deal. A little bit older has been a

953
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: great addition, But you know, should we invest in the

954
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: center to pair with Philip and maybe whoever else comes

955
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: along in the future. I think maybe next year or

956
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: the year after. It'll be when they try to make

957
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: a move on that front, I think, I think, and

958
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: I think Philip would want him to hold off too,

959
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: not because he's worried about competition anything, but because he

960
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: knows this is a team that has a Super Bowl

961
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: win over the next three to four years and that

962
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: using a high pick on a quarterback like that might

963
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: limit that window a little bit. You know, will you

964
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: read the tea leaves too? When you're bringing a guy

965
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: like Tyrod Taylor, who has you know, forty six starts

966
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: over the last four years, which the Pro Bowl in

967
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, I think he's the perfect backup. He knows

968
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: Coach Lynn from his time in Buffalo. I think he's

969
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: the perfect number two for what this team thinks they are.

970
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: Right in twenty nineteen, in that being a very competitive team,

971
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: you could bring in a guy like Tyrod knock on

972
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: Wood to kind of hold down to four if need be.

973
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think if you if you

974
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Speaker 1: bring in a rookie, chances are that rookie probably won't

975
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: be dressed on Sundays. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great point.

976
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: And like, yeah, I think too, if you go out

977
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Speaker 1: and you signed Tyrod Taylor and you invest in the

978
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: backup quarterback position, Um, you know you're you're buying you

979
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: know you're doing one or two things. One you're you're

980
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: buying some insurance. And look, yeah I have I have

981
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: home insurance. That doesn't mean and I pay it every month.

982
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I ever want to, like need to

983
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: use it. Savid car insurance, you know, like you don't

984
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: want to use you don't want to have to use

985
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: your insurance. You hope your insurance it's just like a

986
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: complete waste of money that you never use. The no

987
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: offense is Tyrod Taylor. The Chargers hope that they don't

988
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,479
Speaker 1: ever like that. They don't ever see him on the field.

989
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: They don't want they don't unless it's a blowout. Um.

990
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: In So from that perspective, yeah, I think teams that

991
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: are in this window in the Super Bowl window with

992
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: veteran quarterbacks. Um, it's interesting because we have a very

993
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: different conversation about the Giants when we talk about them.

994
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: But um, you know, I think, like you know, you

995
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: have to it's a fine balance. Like the Steelers have

996
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: to be careful about it. They made Big Ben angry

997
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: when they took Mason Rudolph last year with the third

998
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: round pick, right, and and so you have to walk this,

999
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: I mean, like you have to walk this fine line

1000
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: of developing a young quarterbacks, finding one but also making

1001
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: sure that you go for Gusto when you can with

1002
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: your window. And I think for a team like the

1003
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: Chargers that has shown so much in the last two

1004
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: years in terms of an ability to to be there

1005
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 1: at the end of the season and make a playoff push,

1006
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: that it would be I think, I I think it

1007
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: would be a bit premature to pull trigger on a

1008
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: quarterback just because Rivers assured that he can he can

1009
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: play an elite level well into his late thirties. All right,

1010
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: this is a nice segue into the next question. Its

1011
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: very very simple, true or false because we had five

1012
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: quarterbacks go in the first round last year, well, four

1013
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: quarterbacks get selected in the first round in twenty nineteen.

1014
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: So I actually talked about this with R. J. White

1015
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: my podcast on Wednesday. I can't get I I you know, Chris,

1016
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: I'm saying a lean towards the idea that we can

1017
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: only see three guys go. Now, having said that, I

1018
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: think I think if no one were allowed to trade,

1019
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: we would probably see three guys go. However, when you

1020
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: start to look at like I think it's a it's

1021
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: a mortal lock that Kyler Murray and Dwayne Haskins are

1022
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: going in the first round, I think it's looking also

1023
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: like a bit of a part in the pond lock

1024
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: that Drew Lock is gonna go in the In the

1025
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 1: it's the pun, but it was say Lock. It was good.

1026
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: It was good pun on it. Yeah, right, But I

1027
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: think he's gonna go into the first round just based

1028
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: on the latest buz that you hear and how he's

1029
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: moving up boards and the various teams that are sort

1030
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: of enamored with him. So I think we're looking at,

1031
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, those three guys at bare minimum. And the

1032
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: question then becomes is someone going to trade up into

1033
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: the first round to get Daniel Jones out of Duke

1034
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: and I don't know that there's another sleeper out there.

1035
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: I don't think Will Greer or Ryan Finley are going

1036
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: to jump up in that mix. I mean no Jared's

1037
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: did him or anything like that. So you have to

1038
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: find a team that wants to come up and get it. Now.

1039
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: The reason that somebody would do it, there's two reasons. Actually. One,

1040
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: the fifth year option is huge. I mean it's enormous.

1041
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: You're talking about drafting a quarterback with it, Guys like

1042
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: Garrett Carr and Russell Wilson who fell into the second

1043
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: and third, second and third round respectively, and you have

1044
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: to extend them a little bit earlier because you don't

1045
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: have that fifth year option. Guys like a Jameis Winston

1046
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: and Marcus Mariota. You can sort of kick the can

1047
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: down the road a little bit with that fifth year option,

1048
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 1: find out if they're the guy, go through the full

1049
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: rookie deal, etc. And so I think that teams are

1050
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: more willing to trade up into the first round. We

1051
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: saw us with Teddy Bridgewater in the Vike teams a

1052
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: few years ago to get that extra year a team

1053
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: control without having to pay or use the franchise tag.

1054
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: And then look at the teams in the back end.

1055
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: We got the Patriots at thirty two. We know they

1056
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: love to trade down. The Rams always could use more picks.

1057
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: The Seahawks are there. You know, you never know what

1058
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: they're willing to do, but that you know they're willing

1059
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: to trade down. The Packers showed last year that the

1060
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: new GM, Brian Guducant, is willing to take a step

1061
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: backwards and trade down. I don't think the Chiefs or

1062
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: the Ravens are opposed to it. Certainly. I think Tom's

1063
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: a left year. I'd love you get some extra picks, right, so,

1064
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: I think that you will probably see full quarterbacks during

1065
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: the draft, but only if there is a team that

1066
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: likes to that wants to leaf up and pay the

1067
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: price to move into the second and move back into

1068
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: the first. Yeah, that fifth year option is a very

1069
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: important point. We saw, you know, with Lamar Jackson going

1070
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: number thirty two last year. Teams have that in the

1071
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: back of their mind. Next question, I saw your last

1072
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: two mock drafts. Garrett Bradberry was the latest pick for

1073
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: the Chargers. You also had Byron Murphy, the cornerback from Washington.

1074
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: Why do you think those two guys makes sense? For

1075
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: the Chargers because I can I can see both of

1076
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 1: them coming in and potentially making impact. Obviously, Mike Pouncey's

1077
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: here and played at a Pro Bowl level though in

1078
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Yeah, And I think the Bradberry thing was

1079
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 1: sort of a luxury pick. And look, that's not a

1080
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: not like I don't think that, you know, it's weird.

1081
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: I point out that the Chargers are a win now teams.

1082
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: You've got to be a little bit careful about how

1083
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: you how you do it. But I do think smart

1084
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: football teams and smart gms. I think Tom Telesco is

1085
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: a smart GM, are constantly trying to make sure that

1086
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: they stay one or two years ahead of where they

1087
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: need to be from a roster perspective, so you don't

1088
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: want to be caught. And I think we've seen this

1089
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: too with the Chargers. In the last two years. They've

1090
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 1: really done a great job of improving the offensive line

1091
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: in front of Philip Rivers and it has made a

1092
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: world of difference in terms of his play and his

1093
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: longevity and his ability to lead the team in big

1094
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: spots because you had that protection. Yep, there's a stretch

1095
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: of time where the Chargers didn't have I had one

1096
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: of the worst offensive line in football before LESCo came

1097
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: in and sort of revamped Rivers. Rivers dealt with a

1098
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: rough stretch of offensive line play. Um. You know, in

1099
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 1: between those two eras, and so I think from that perspective,

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00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: you would want to, like, you want to get a

1101
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: guy like Bradberry and and get him in early. He

1102
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: could potentially play guard. I hear that he's told teams

1103
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to do that. He wants to be

1104
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: a center only. So that's a little bit tricky there,

1105
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: depending on what you think your long term plans are

1106
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: with Pouncy um, you know. And then I think with

1107
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: a with a guy like Byron Murphy, you got a

1108
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: really good secondary, right. I mean, you know you've got

1109
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: Casey here where, Desmond King, guys that have been impact players.

1110
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: You know already. Of course you of Derwin James and

1111
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: out there. He can he can move around and play safety.

1112
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: But you know, steps In basically does basically everything. It's

1113
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: a superhuman. Um. I just think that's a spot where

1114
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: after they upgraded or added Thomas Thomas Davis at the

1115
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: linebacker position, bring back Denzel Perryman. Now you sort of

1116
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: think about Okay, can we do we where do we

1117
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: need depth? Where do we think you know, we could

1118
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: be in a spot where if you know, if if

1119
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: the worst case scenario hap and our linebackers get hurt

1120
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: to get do we need additional corners so that we

1121
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: can play all those defensive backs? I think, given where

1122
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: the roster sits right now, and I think it's in

1123
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: really good shape, it wouldn't be surprising at all considering

1124
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: where the Chargers pick for them to use them to

1125
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: use that pick on something that like depth, and and

1126
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: I think you can see Byron Murphy really developed as

1127
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: a as a type of corner that fits agus Bradley scheme,

1128
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: and I could certainly see Garrett Bradbury working out as well.

1129
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: So I think I think that's sort of where I

1130
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: was leaning with those is all right, we don't have

1131
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: a direct need that's gonna you know that we have

1132
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: to plug in. Where can we generate some depth? Where

1133
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: can we get the best possible player? And is their

1134
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: value here when we're making this pick. I love the

1135
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: potential cornerback option at twenty eight because you can never

1136
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: have enough corners and keep them. Mind, you know, Joey

1137
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: Bosa didn't come back to like week ten, week eleven, right,

1138
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: So imagine having Joey Bosa for sixteen games, Melvin Ingram

1139
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: Chinna Noosu, Isaac Rochelle who played well in Bosa's absence,

1140
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: and you know some other guys across the defensive line.

1141
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: Imagine having that pass rush and just one more corner

1142
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: and under the corner to throw out there. It just

1143
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: makes the back end that much more dangerous, especially when

1144
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: you have a pass rush. Wold. Yeah, And I think

1145
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: the thing with Byron Murphy too is that he's you know,

1146
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: when you look at the difference between him and Greedy Williams,

1147
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: Greedy Williams is more of a gambler, and I think

1148
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: that Byron Murphy plays that it will be able to

1149
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: play a lot of that press man stuff and and

1150
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: really be able to be technically sound and adapt to

1151
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: whatever Guss wants him to do. If it's you know,

1152
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: a standing on one side in a cover three, you know,

1153
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: however he wants to operate it. I think that he's

1154
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: the type of guy with DBU's basically what they're operating

1155
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: out in Washington, and so I think you see the

1156
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: guys with the technical abilities coming out of there and

1157
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: you could see something like that working album. All right, well,

1158
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: next question. And it's very intriguing to me, ed Oliver,

1159
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: because last year everybody thought he's gonna be a top

1160
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: three pick, and then he had that dust up onto

1161
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: sidelines with Major Apple White and people are saying he's

1162
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 1: under size. And then he goes out and absolutely crushes

1163
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: his Pro Day last week, and now a lot of

1164
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: people are saying he's back to be in the top

1165
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: five pick. Where do you think he goes Do you

1166
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: think the Pro Day raised his stock and really shouldn't have,

1167
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: because we've seen this guy. I think everybody knew what

1168
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: he was really two years ago. Yeah, Puffy Coke Gate

1169
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: is the maybe they done with controversy leave we've ever had,

1170
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: lack of a better phrase, Yeah, yeah, I think it's

1171
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: it's a fascinating study in multiple multiple cases, one sort

1172
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: of how we followup prospects and um, and two how

1173
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: he reminds me a lot of the Javan Clowney hyps

1174
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: when you know, following that hint against Michigan in the

1175
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: Bowl game, it's like, well, oh my god, like Davon

1176
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: Clowney's gonna kill forty two different running backs next season,

1177
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: and when the Heisman as the defensive players like god,

1178
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean that that's never gonna happen because in the

1179
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: college game, it's it's much easier you can double a

1180
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: guy like Clowney and make the other guys beat you.

1181
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: And the same thing with that Oliver, right especially on Houston. Um.

1182
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: You know, so whatever whatever happened, whenever you go to

1183
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: that post the hyped up season in that college, you're

1184
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: whenever you have a defensive player being mentioned as a

1185
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 1: Heisman candidate, there's a pretty good chance that the coming

1186
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: season from that player is going to like horribly disappoint

1187
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: everyone involved, just because that sort of hype is unsustainable.

1188
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I think that at Oliver top prospect,

1189
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: and you know, coming out of high school, plays really well,

1190
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: stays local Houston for a smaller school than normal, and

1191
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, they don't they don't you go on to

1192
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: you know, they don't. They don't dominate and make some

1193
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: national championship run or anything like that. And so the

1194
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: height doesn't meet our expectations. And then once they once

1195
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: these guys get to that sort of level, we start

1196
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: to really nitpick them apart. And it happens a quarterbacks too,

1197
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: with Oliver specifically, Yeah, I mean we all should have

1198
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: realized this was going to happen. The guy's an athletic freak.

1199
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he is a an absolute freak of nature

1200
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: in terms of his ability to you know, to run

1201
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: things like a three cone drill at the speed of

1202
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: a of a tiny wide receiver. You know, they think

1203
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: as fast as Brandon Cooks on his three cone drill

1204
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: and his twenty yards shuttle. Um. And so when we

1205
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: do that, we see the eye popping numbers and we

1206
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: get all worked up about it. But no, I mean,

1207
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: like in reality that Oliver should always been the top

1208
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 1: five possible pick or the top that's a top ten

1209
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: possible pick that we thought he was before the twenty

1210
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: eighteen season. I mean, it never should have did that much.

1211
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 1: And then come come up, you know that we don't

1212
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: need these market corrections. It's just us being any basically

1213
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: what it is. So yeah, I agree with you. I

1214
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: don't think the pro day should help that much, but

1215
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: I do think it is a reminder because it's easy

1216
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: in you know, even you know, I mean it's different

1217
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: for scouts and all that, but you know, for coaches

1218
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: and gms, I mean, they're still locked into the NFL season,

1219
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: and even us they cover the NFL, we're still locked

1220
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: in the NFL season. I watch a ton of college football,

1221
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: but I'm not I'm not. I'm not tracking at Oliver's

1222
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: weekly actions. You know, you see the puffy Coat game.

1223
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: I think it's easy to sort of get lost in

1224
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 1: all that drama and then be reminded of it by

1225
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: the Pro Day. But yes, in a rational world, it

1226
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: always should have stayed the same. I think he is uh,

1227
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: absolutely a top fifteen pick. I think he'll probably be

1228
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: a top ten pick. Wouldn't be surprised if it's a

1229
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: top five pick. But there's so much variants in these

1230
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: in these in these players really from like really one

1231
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: to thirty that any any sort of mixture of them

1232
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprising to be all right. Next question the

1233
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: linebacker position and Devin Bush from Michigan, Devin White LSU,

1234
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 1: both those guys put on a show at the combine.

1235
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: I think what we're trying to figure out is is

1236
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: there going to be a third linebacker drafted in the

1237
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: first round? And how high do you think these Devins

1238
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: get get drafted? Will I like, I like calling them

1239
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: the Devins. I do I do I enjoy that. Yeah,

1240
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, I think that they're gonna go high. You know,

1241
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: I think we can see Devin White goes high as

1242
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: five to the Buccaneers. And there's some people out there

1243
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: who actually like Devin Bush better than Devin White. I

1244
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: would leave White a little bit over Bush, but I mean, yeah, look,

1245
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: both are both are great players. I think the absolute

1246
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: floor for the second one of them is the Steelers,

1247
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: and that's pretty low. I think the Steelers would sp

1248
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: into the podium if one of those linebackers is there,

1249
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 1: because they can shore up what they want to do

1250
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: with their defense. I don't know that we're going to

1251
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: see a third linebacker sneak in there. I mean we're

1252
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: Matt and mac Wilson or uh, you know, a Terrell

1253
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: Hanks or a Blake Cashman. I I just don't think

1254
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: the problem is the position is so tough to justify

1255
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: in the twenty nineteen NFL because of you know, just

1256
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: because of the way that the league operates. You have

1257
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: to be a guy who is crazy fluid, who can

1258
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: sprit sideline to sideline, who can you know, make tackles

1259
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: but also drop into coverage. You just can't draft a

1260
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: two down linebacker in the in the first round of

1261
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: the draft and feel like you're going to get away

1262
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: with it. I mean, even Luke Keakley when he was drafted,

1263
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: and that was a while back, people were like, well,

1264
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is just a downhill tackler or

1265
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: out of Boston College who you know, isn't isn't that

1266
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: big an impact guy? And it's like, Wow, maybe maybe

1267
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: maybe saw you roll there a little bit. Check yeah,

1268
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: I think I mean, I think, yeah, I think maybe

1269
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: you should rethink that. I don't think that what you

1270
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: want if you're when you're drafting a linebacker in twenty

1271
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: nineteen is that you want sort of a hybrid, you know,

1272
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: safety linebacker type of guy. And if you can find that,

1273
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: I think White and Bush with their speed, their skill set,

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Speaker 1: Rocon Smith same sort of thing, that's the guy you're

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Speaker 1: willing to take in the first round. I just don't

1276
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 1: know that there's another one out there that definitely fits

1277
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: the mold, you know. I look at Derwin as somebody

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01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: who kind of fits the motives like, you can't you

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01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: can't take him off the field, right, You don't take

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01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 1: him off the field at all. And he can play

1281
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: multiple positions. He's a safety, yes, but he can play linebacker.

1282
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: He's probably the third best pass rusher on the Chargers.

1283
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: You play him in a box, you can play free safety.

1284
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you could do anything with this guy. And

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01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: I think that's what you're looking for, right, just that

1286
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: versatility on defense. Yeah. I mean, look the Derwin James thing,

1287
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: and I mean I said it. I know I'm not

1288
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: the only one. I mean, I know plenty of people.

1289
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 1: I remember heard Daniel Jeremiah say it during the draft.

1290
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: You know, Pete Prisker agreed with us too on TBS.

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01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was insane that Derwin James

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01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: fell to the Chargers. Now Draft said once in a

1293
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: lifetime kick because a guy like Derwin should never fall.

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01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't even understand it. I had him

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01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: as um I had. I can't can't keep it straight,

1296
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 1: but I had four blue chip guys in last year's

1297
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: draft and Derwin was one of them. And I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's fine, and maybe he goes tenth or

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01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: something like that. He just kept falling. He plays. I know,

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01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: it's insane. I mean, he he plays every you could

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01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: put him at nickel, at safety, outside corner, running back,

1302
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 1: whide you if you could put him anywhere you can.

1303
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: You can line him up as a as a as

1304
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: an an outside linebacker at a three four scheme, and

1305
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean you're right, he is the third best pass

1306
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: rusher on the Chargers. He's stout against the run. And

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Speaker 1: it's so like that. The type of athlete you want

1308
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: is a guy who is malleable. And I mean I

1309
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: think Tyron Matthews another good example. Right, obviously a smaller player,

1310
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: but you know he can move around. You can play

1311
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: him inside, you can play him outside, and Maka Fitzpatrick

1312
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: fits the bill too. I mean you can drop him

1313
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: in the box. He can, he can thump against the

1314
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: run and he can you know he can, he can

1315
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: drop out and stay in coverage. So all I mean

1316
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: like all of those things, um, you know, from that perspective,

1317
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: I think are what you want in an athlete when

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01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: you're drafting him in the first round. And unless you

1319
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: can find that, to me, it's where it's you're better

1320
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: off looking at other positions just because for you're like

1321
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: sixty five percent at the time, you know you're in

1322
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: the nickel and who knows how often you'll be using

1323
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: those linebackers. All right, Well, question twenty The better pro

1324
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: receiver DK Metcalf or Marquise Hollywood Brown, who is just

1325
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: blazing fast? We all know about Metcalf and the combine

1326
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: he put on. He's a specimen. Um. Who's gonna be

1327
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: the better pro? And do you think there's another guy

1328
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 1: who could be better than both of these guys? Uh? Yeah,

1329
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: I would. I'm I'm at I'm not. I want to

1330
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: say I'm anti Dk Metcalf. I mean, the guy's athletics

1331
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: free put up a crazy number to the combine. I

1332
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: just have a red flags going off about him in

1333
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: terms of health. And you know, get I get that

1334
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: he runs as fast as he does at his size, Um,

1335
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: but I mean, is he gonna be anything more than

1336
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: somebody who just runs nine routes? You know, like all

1337
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: you need gonna be a go route guy and he

1338
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: just you just send him as fast as possible down

1339
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: the sideline and I hope he catches a bunch of

1340
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: deep balls or you know, you try and scheme him

1341
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: open on slants and stuff. I just don't think he

1342
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: has that lateral quickness that you necessarily want. I'd rather

1343
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: gamble on a guy like like Hollywood Brown, who you

1344
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: know who is shifty can play around? You can, you know,

1345
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,439
Speaker 1: you look at the modern NFL and you want guys

1346
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: who can who can you know, you can move them

1347
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: around into different parts of the formation. You can run

1348
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: the ball with them. If you want to like end

1349
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 1: the rounds. You can use them on bubble screens. You can.

1350
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: You can use that lateral quickness and agility to let

1351
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: them break free and to get them into space. And

1352
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: I just don't know that DK Metcalf is that guy.

1353
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: Now look when he gets ahead of steam, good luck

1354
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 1: stopping him. If you get the ball in the deep round.

1355
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he's probably gonna put up good numbers. He's

1356
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: gonna have massive yards for catch numbers. He's not gonna

1357
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: catch a hundred balls, but you know what I mean,

1358
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: he can have a big season. Paired with the right

1359
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 1: QUARTERBA back with the right arm. I would lean towards

1360
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown if I'm picking a wide receiver um, and

1361
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, I think the other two guys, I would

1362
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 1: actually have two guys above them, my wide receiver one

1363
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: and one A. And I'm trying to use I'm trying

1364
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: to break away from harmorific tendencies and study these guys

1365
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: a little bit more leading up to the draft. But

1366
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: I think at Keen Butler out of Iowa State is

1367
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: an absolute monster. Drop percentage is really concerning. You take

1368
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: that to the next level and you just can't be

1369
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: can't be dropping balls at the NFL level that'll get

1370
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: your bench quick. Um. But he's so big and so explosive.

1371
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: And then Calvin Harmon at Anti State, who um you

1372
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: know is does not did not test very well as

1373
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: to combine, didn't have top in speed that you know,

1374
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: especially compared to like a guy on DK Metcalf. But

1375
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: he can run a ton of routes. He's really precise

1376
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: for his size, and he wins everything in terms of

1377
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: jump balls and great character off the field. I would

1378
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: I would, I would be willing to take a gamble

1379
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 1: on him, you know, late first early second. If I

1380
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: was looking at a wide receiver and I've got harm

1381
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: In and uh and and and a key as my

1382
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: wide receiver one and wide receiver one A, I don't

1383
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: know why we overlook just the ability to run routes,

1384
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like that's like almost number

1385
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: one priority for a wide receiver in the NFL, you

1386
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 1: gotta be able to win one on one matchups. You

1387
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: got to get open. And some of these guys are fast,

1388
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: they're big, they can fly, but can they get open

1389
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: against NFL quarterbacks? Right? And like that's the thing about

1390
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about the Pro Day and the

1391
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: combine and the testing and all that. I mean, it's

1392
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: great when you see these eye popping numbers and mock

1393
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: draftable chart that looks like Pat Nan and spread out

1394
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: all around the corners. But you know, if it doesn't

1395
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: matter if you if you if you be easily covered,

1396
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: if it seems to put its second or third cornerback

1397
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 1: on you in like shade of safety or something, and

1398
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: you can be eliminated and you're you're supposed to be

1399
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: a top ten pick. I mean, that's gonna be a

1400
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: major problem. And so you know, look, I know Dk.

1401
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying DK Metcalf can be wiped out really

1402
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: easily or anything like that, but I do have concerns

1403
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: about whether he's a guy who's just you know, beating

1404
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: beating questionable college coverage by going over the top it,

1405
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: or he's a guy who's going to really come in

1406
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: and be an impact player. I mean you look at

1407
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: guys like Keenan Allen getting open and DeAndre Hopkins and

1408
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,919
Speaker 1: even DeVante Adams. I mean, these guys are professional route

1409
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: runners and and I think that that gets overlooked, and

1410
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: it just it reminds me a couple years ago when

1411
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: John Ross, who was blazing fest of the Combine goes

1412
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: ten overall, and I feel like we have this short

1413
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: term memory where like the last thing we see that's

1414
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,919
Speaker 1: not on film takes priority over actually what we see

1415
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: on film. It's just very interesting to me. No, it's

1416
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: just it's like part of the it's part of the problem.

1417
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: I mean, and look, everybody's guilty of it, like we're

1418
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 1: I mean media members are guilty of it. Oh yeah,

1419
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 1: scenes are guilty of it. Fans are guilty of it.

1420
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: It's like you got like John Ross just broke the

1421
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: Combine forty record. It's like well like like like you know,

1422
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: it's like he's like like two cinder blocks on his

1423
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 1: on his forearms. It dude, it doesn't really happen. I'm

1424
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: not gonna think he does. I actually think John Rols

1425
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: the good players can't stay healthy. But like, I mean,

1426
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: it's like it doesn't matter, like nobody cares what you if.

1427
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: You might not have hands, and nobody cares as long

1428
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: as you're breaking the record for the forty they want

1429
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: you under team because you're lighting fast. You're right, we're

1430
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: Regency bias is a real thing when it comes to

1431
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. All right, well, question twenty one will

1432
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: end it on this. I need one bold prediction for

1433
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: Day one of the twenty nineteen NFL Draft. Something crazy

1434
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: always happens and none of us expect it. What do

1435
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 1: you think is going to happen three weeks from Thursday? Okay,

1436
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: let's see. I don't want to I'm not going to

1437
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: predict any sort of draft ball as a result of

1438
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: smoky circumstances that already happened somehow that's already happened, and

1439
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: it only happened like it was like three years ago.

1440
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 1: I mean, if it is one of the craziest things

1441
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: that ever happened, I will say I will say I

1442
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: got a couple of things out there out there, which

1443
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 1: is not what you asked for. But I'll there that

1444
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: five five wide receivers go in the first round. Wow. Um.

1445
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: I will say that quinnin Williams is the first defensive

1446
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: lineman taken over Bosa and um and and Josh Allen.

1447
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 1: And I will say that Josh Rosen is not traded

1448
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: or is that bulbs? But like, what's bold Josh Rosen,

1449
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, think that traded. I was just talking to

1450
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 1: Chris Trepass about the smoke screen element to the Cardinals

1451
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: at number one overall? Is this a smokescreen? I don't know.

1452
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: I mean if Josh Rosen states with the Cardinals, so

1453
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: what you would be saying, Quinn and Williams goes number

1454
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 1: one overall potentially to the Cardinals. That's sort of that's

1455
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 1: sort of what I was going. Yeah, that's sort of

1456
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: what I was going. I mean, like, I'll just I'll

1457
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: just go with my bold prediction. In a case, I'll

1458
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 1: Quinny Williams goes number one overall. That'll be my bold prediction. Yeah,

1459
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty bold, because I think people think it's

1460
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,680
Speaker 1: a two man race, right. They think it's either that

1461
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:58,920
Speaker 1: everyone thinks it's a lock it's Kyler Murray, and if

1462
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: it's not Murray, it's probably Nick Bosa. If it is Murray,

1463
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: then the Niners are turning their card in really quickly

1464
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: for one of those two defensive lineman Bosa or Williams.

1465
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: So that is just so much every single season. Man,

1466
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 1: there is intrigue at the top of the first round. Well,

1467
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: I think a the NFL likes it that way, right.

1468
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,639
Speaker 1: The NFL has said that's why they stopped wanting guys

1469
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: signing early. You know, you used to have Matthew Stafford

1470
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: and Sam Brafter. You get your contract locked up early

1471
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 1: and you announce that you're taking them first. Over all,

1472
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 1: the NFL doesn't like that. They want the drama. Last

1473
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: year was picture perfect for the league. And let's not

1474
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 1: forget Chris. It's like this time last year, even twenty

1475
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,959
Speaker 1: two days out. I mean, we were having a discussion

1476
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: about whether it was Josh Allen or Sam Donald who

1477
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,759
Speaker 1: would go number one overall to the Browns. Baker Mayfield

1478
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: wasn't even into, like, wasn't even really in the conversation

1479
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: for the first overall, and and so like, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I mean, maybe the Cardinals are geniuses, Maybe

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Speaker 1: they're smoke screening us all to death. I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we'll all know it for sure until

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Speaker 1: they're actually on the clock. But I think when you

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Speaker 1: look at what they've done this off season and sort

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Speaker 1: of I know everybody's hearing it definitely gonna be the Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: and you hear like guys who, guys who I believe

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Speaker 1: or have good intel coming out of that building, like

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Speaker 1: Peter Schraeger or Pete Priscoe. Um. Pete told me that

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Speaker 1: on the Picture's podcast. He says he's firmly, firmly believes

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be Kyler Murray. And maybe it is. I

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Speaker 1: just think that there's it's just so obvious, and when

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Speaker 1: it's that obvious, it usually digs the other way. So

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised at all if Arizona was trying

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Speaker 1: to shop that pick You're interesting Kyler Murray and then

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Speaker 1: ultimately decided, Hey, you know what, Quinn Williams is our guy.

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Speaker 1: We're going with him on the upside on what he

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Speaker 1: can bring. Um, and it's the ball prediction. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what will happen, but I'll throw it. Hey, dude,

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Speaker 1: I like it and I'm excited to see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Three weeks from Thursday. Will Brinson CBS Sports, Well, what

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Speaker 1: are the next three weeks looking like for you? Um,

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Speaker 1: you're a bust following on Twitter. Share everything the people

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Speaker 1: need to know at Will Brinson on Twitter, at Will

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Speaker 1: Brinson on Instagram too. I'll be we'll be in Nashville

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Speaker 1: for a couple of days during the draft. We'll be uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, we'll be We'll be doing stuff on CBS

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Speaker 1: Sports HQ, which starts twenty four seven, streaming sports network. No,

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Speaker 1: no fake debates, just real sports news, real sports fan

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Speaker 1: to tagline, I think uh sports dot com Live or

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Speaker 1: or sports dot com slash live or on any on

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Speaker 1: any device that you can find it in the Pick

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Speaker 1: six podcast on iTunes, Stitcher, and Spotify. Awesome, dude, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, and we'll have you back this summer. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk a little draft in the twenty nineteen season

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Speaker 1: for sure. Man an com and that'll do it. My

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Speaker 1: thanks to Will Brinson, Mike Renner, and Chris Trapasso for

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Speaker 1: joining me, and of course thanks to you all for listening.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget. If you like what you hear this offseason,

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Speaker 1: be sure to give us a rating review on Apple Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Please help spread the word. Enjoy the weekend, and until

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Speaker 1: next time, I'm Chris Harry