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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us always by our bar gap.

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Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.

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Speaker 1: You know me, I wanted I wanted one to a tackle.

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Speaker 1: I just think premium position puts the better blair there.

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Speaker 1: But I'm I'm kind of coming around to it. Let's

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Speaker 1: also wait to put the right tackle out there until

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Speaker 1: we know what they have a quarterback. Wow, that's not

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Speaker 2: That was a joke. Good job. I usually laugh at

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Speaker 2: your jokes. I feel like I usually it wasn't even

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Speaker 1: I was trying to get you going, get you started.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, and you didn't take the bait.

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Speaker 2: We're not taking the bait on the Drake May. When

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Speaker 2: should Drake May start conversation for a while.

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Speaker 1: It's specifically the tackle conversation. I think people have had

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Speaker 1: plenty of us talking about that message received.

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Speaker 2: We we we have no more new information until July.

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Speaker 2: Our take is out there on that. We don't need

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Speaker 2: to keep going crazy about that topic. But it's Evan Lazar,

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Speaker 2: Alex Bars Patriots Catch twenty two for the next couple

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Speaker 2: applause to Marine and Daves Arnovitch and everybody put this together.

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Speaker 2: This is pretty nice. Don't you think this is pretty good? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: for temporarily for the studio, and then that we're gonna

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Speaker 2: new studio as well, and we get back in there

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Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks. But we are another thing

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Speaker 2: that people have a pet peeve about, Alex. It seems

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Speaker 2: like this time of year is when the football podcast

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Speaker 2: starts talking about other sports. So, as you can imagine,

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Speaker 2: on Tuesday on Patriots Unfiltered, we were Celtics Unfiltered for

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Speaker 2: about an hour and forty five.

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Speaker 1: In the U two hour comments already said this is

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Speaker 1: going to be Catch ten.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I understand, but I will say in

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Speaker 2: this way, there's not much to talk about right now

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Speaker 2: with the football team, guys, right, like the football team's

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Speaker 2: not even here just the time they're not practicing. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: the topic of conversation around the city is the Celtics

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Speaker 2: and the Celtics winning the championship. But I think to

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Speaker 2: make it a little bit about football. Yeah, because we

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Speaker 2: are a football podcast. This is not Catch ten, this

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Speaker 2: is Catch twenty two. You always look at championships and

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Speaker 2: one of the coolest things about Boston is that all

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Speaker 2: the teams are intertwined in some sort of way. They're

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Speaker 2: all connected, Big boss man Robert Kraft, really good friends

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Speaker 2: with Grosspec. Yeah. It goes to a lot of games.

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Speaker 2: Everything is always connect in this city, and I always

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Speaker 2: love that that the teams really interact with each other

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Speaker 2: you get a little bit fomo as an employee of

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Speaker 2: the Patriots, like how do we get there? Right? And

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Speaker 2: there's two different thought processes there that I had to

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Speaker 2: just shows the importance of the draft in any sport.

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Speaker 1: And in the NBA, where you could argue it's the

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Speaker 2: And honestly, it used to be in basketball. I shouldn't

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Speaker 2: net neutral thing, right, can you win? The Celtics won

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you've heard me compare or a had

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Speaker 1: But the whole point, because you know, I've had this

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Speaker 2: Well, the Patriots are up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's two teams that we always talk about with

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Speaker 2: net neutral. No, absolutely not. Jason TAM's a superstar. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but everybody can consentuously say Jayson Tatum is a superstar

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Speaker 2: I don't The quarterback position is a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you think that Tatum is I mean, I

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so I was actually my brother had this

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Speaker 1: a little bit in the playoffs. I think what Tatum

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Speaker 2: But that was the problem is I I thought about

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Speaker 2: Lamar because of the knocking on the door, right and

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Speaker 2: not not getting over the top yet. But Lamar's won

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Speaker 2: two league MVPs.

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Speaker 1: Right, and he hasn't won a title. And that that's

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Speaker 1: why it's so hard, because you don't want to shore.

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna do this, you don't want to short

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Speaker 1: change Tatum. So you want to give him a comp

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Speaker 1: for somebody who has a title. But Mahomes is winning

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Speaker 1: all of them. And you know, I'm a big Jason

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Speaker 2: Maybe?

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Speaker 1: You know, if you go to now I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean even the guy like Aaron Rodgers won

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Speaker 2: that the third cornerback spot is going to prevent them

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Speaker 2: from winning a Super Bowl. We get that the roster

434
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Speaker 2: has a lot of work across the board, but we're

435
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: just talking about just to get through the season. Places that, yeah,

436
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 2: to get through the season, things that they could do

437
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 2: maybe between now and they started training camp or even

438
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 2: really start a regular season to make them more competitive

439
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 2: this year. And we have some ideas of players they

440
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 2: might target or guys that are available that they can

441
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Speaker 2: go after. So I'm gonna go from the bottom of

442
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Speaker 2: my I have four. I wanted to get the five

443
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Speaker 2: I did. I didn't rank them, I just had no

444
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 2: I just have four written down. But I'll go to

445
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Speaker 2: the bottom of my list and go to the top

446
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: because I think, you know, the top two.

447
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Speaker 1: We're probably gonna have a lot of overlaps. You just

448
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Speaker 1: give your all add if the top two are.

449
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 2: Everybody feels the same way with left tackle and wide

450
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 2: receiver one, like, I feel like that's the top team.

451
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Speaker 1: Like, realistically, you're not adding either of.

452
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 2: Those, that's fair. But I have a couple of other

453
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Speaker 2: ones that are a little bit more realistic, and then

454
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Speaker 2: we'll get to those two. The first one. And I

455
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Speaker 2: know I've patted the table for this maybe a little

456
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Speaker 2: bit too much. I probably repeated myself a lot on

457
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 2: this third running back. I still feel like third running

458
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,479
Speaker 2: back is a need for them. Is Kevin Harris going

459
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 2: to be a guy that he's had some flashes and

460
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 2: his very limited career opportunities, But they really don't have

461
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Speaker 2: a proven NFL running back behind Remandra Stevenson and Antonio Gibson.

462
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: And now, as we've seen in the past, running backs

463
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Speaker 2: will drop like flies once you get into the season.

464
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 2: The war of attrition always catches up to running backs.

465
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Speaker 2: We saw it last year where they had to basically

466
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Speaker 2: force feed Zeke for the last couple of games there

467
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 2: when Dermandre went down with an injury. And you lose

468
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 2: Remandre or Antonio Gibson out of that backfield, and you're

469
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Speaker 2: awfully thin back there with proven NFL talent. And as

470
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Speaker 2: always in the running back market, there are some guys

471
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Speaker 2: that you'll recognize the name when I read the name

472
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Speaker 2: off that are still available this time of year. The

473
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Speaker 2: big ones, Dalvin who probably is Toast.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, recognize the name, doesn't mean they're good.

475
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Right, Dalvin Cook, I would say is

476
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 2: probably is probably Toast, just based off of what he

477
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 2: did last year. The one, the one thing the Patriots

478
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 2: might have gotten right with their roster management in the

479
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: last let's call it two years was it was Zeke

480
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 2: over Dalvin Cook. They were one hundred percent right about

481
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Speaker 2: that one. Zeke was the was the fresher, better player, which.

482
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Speaker 1: By the way, was something we had talked about on

483
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Speaker 1: this show like months before they signed it.

484
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I theoretically, let's just play the game. Dalvin Cook,

485
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 2: if he was even seventy five percent of what he

486
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 2: used to be, is actually a really good fit in

487
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 2: this offense. In this and Alex band Pelt scheme, they

488
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 2: basically ran the same offense in Minnesota wide zone you know,

489
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Speaker 2: North Turner ran it there and the Turners Scott Turner

490
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: also ran it there in Minnesota. It's basically the same offense.

491
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 2: So the years that Dalvin Cook had early on in

492
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Speaker 2: his career with the Vikings, he'd be playing in the

493
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 2: same type of scheme if he was signed by the Patriots.

494
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Speaker 2: So that's the only reason why I feel like that's

495
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: even a remote possibility, because I think he's washed. I

496
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 2: think he's probably done. But the point is is that

497
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 2: they do have an offense that is very much catered

498
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,239
Speaker 2: to his type of skill set if he does have

499
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: anything left in the tank. A couple of other names

500
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 2: that are out there in free agency right now, Cam Akers,

501
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: who had that torn achilles a couple of years ago

502
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: and hasn't really been the same guy since. Obviously, there's

503
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 2: some things to unpack with Kareem Hunt that I don't

504
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,119
Speaker 2: know if this organization is going to go near. But

505
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Speaker 2: Kareem Hunt played in Cleveland with Alex van Pelt. There's

506
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 2: an obvious connection there. A couple other names. I've always loved,

507
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: Jet McKinnon. I think Jet McKinnon know is the third

508
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 2: down back, and I don't know if that's necessarily what

509
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: they're going to be looking for. He's probably they're probably

510
00:24:58,800 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: looking for an early down guy.

511
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Speaker 1: I also liked him a couple of years ago. He's

512
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: thirty two, now, that's old for running back.

513
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just always loved his game. I always felt

514
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 2: like he was would have been a good Patriot.

515
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: Here's the keyword, would have been. I think they may

516
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Speaker 1: have missed the boat on that.

517
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Speaker 2: Yeah. The other the last one here quickly, Matt Brita,

518
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: who's played in Miami, He's played in San Francisco. He's

519
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: played in similar types of offenses in those places and

520
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: has that one cut, you know, speed and burst type

521
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: of thing. And there's always a chance that one of

522
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 2: these veteran running backs shakes free, whether it's post June one,

523
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 2: whether it's in training camp, they fall out of favor,

524
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be. So that's a list of

525
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: running backs. But I think we're both in agreement that

526
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 2: they could use somebody that it's not necessarily just about

527
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: name recognition. It's it's mostly just let's get somebody in

528
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: the building that has some NFL experience and some carries

529
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 2: in the league under his belt that you can use

530
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: as a sample size because right now. It's Jamichael Hayse team,

531
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Speaker 2: it's Kevin Harris, it's the two undrafted rookies. There's not

532
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: a whole lot of proven talent there.

533
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I think Hasty had a good

534
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: spring for whatever that's worth, and he's obviously gonna give

535
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: you some special teams value as well. But no, I'm

536
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 1: with you. Adding a third proven NFL caliber running back

537
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: I think is something this team should be looking at.

538
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: And it's not that unusual at this point, Like a

539
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: lot of teams do this. They wait until camp because

540
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: the backs don't want to do a full camp, the

541
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Speaker 1: older backs don't want to do it, so but that's

542
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: definitely a spot they can add.

543
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: Yep. All right, So my second one on the list

544
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 2: is gonna be your favorite kicker. Kicker. Yeah, And it's

545
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: frustrating to an extent that they drafted a kicker in

546
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: the fourth round last year. They also have Joey Slyly,

547
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 2: who's been an NFL kicker and has some decent years

548
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: under his belt in the NFL. It still feels like

549
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: kicker is a potential weak point and if you do

550
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: want to talk a class half full approach with this

551
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: team right now, which I understand for some is hard

552
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 2: to do. But if you do want to take that approach,

553
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: if they're gonna win games, they shouldn't be winning, right.

554
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 2: They're gonna be close games. It's not like they're gonna

555
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 2: go out there and blow out the Bengals and one, right,

556
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: So if they're gonna win some of these games that

557
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: are closer games, then they're gonna have to win games

558
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: like they did in Denver last year where Chad Ryland

559
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: made the game winning kick with as time was expiring.

560
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: So the kicker can be a big deal when you're

561
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: winning on the margins like that, if you're coming down

562
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: to the wire and you need a fifty one yarder

563
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: to win the game and you need a clutch kick

564
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter to put you ahead. So I

565
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: still feel like kicker is a major need. I thought

566
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: that Chad Ryland looked exactly the same as last year

567
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 2: in the spring, yeah, which was not very good frankly,

568
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: pretty shaky in the spring. And I think you wonder

569
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,239
Speaker 2: what Joey Slive he's got, you know what, how what

570
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: is his ceiling?

571
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: I mean, they just didn't give him a ton of opportunities,

572
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: So I wonder how invested they are in him potentially

573
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: being the guy I think you look at you got eat.

574
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: So first of all NFL kickers, there's really only one

575
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: free agent, and it's Randy Bulk.

576
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

577
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: I mean you talk about because mcmanusys McManus is, Yeah,

578
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 1: you're not touching it.

579
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Speaker 2: That's it.

580
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: That's really it for guys with like significant NFL experience. Yeah,

581
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: I have to go to the UFL for this one.

582
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: I know we clearly pumped Jake Baits enough because people

583
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: were upset. They were upset when the Lions signed him.

584
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: But like the whole point of that conversation, Jake Bates

585
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: was the one name. But if you listen to what

586
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: we were saying, there were a lot of good kickers in

587
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: the UFL. If you take out so there was one guy,

588
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: Ryan Santoso, who was a backup, and if you take

589
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: out what he did, collectively, UFL kickers hit on eighty

590
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: five percent of their kicks the last two years in

591
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: the NFL. The league average eighty five percent, pretty good.

592
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: So these are average NFL kickers. The one name I

593
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: go to is Matt Coglan, who was the kicker for

594
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: Memphis this year, and he's actually been in the spring

595
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: the last two years. He was eighteen of nineteen two

596
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: years ago. Kicking for New Orleans last year was sixteen

597
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: of eighteen, twelve of twelve inside of fifty, so reliable.

598
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: And he kicked at Michigan State where his holder for

599
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: part of the time was Bryce Behringer, so you already

600
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: have a connection there, and that, like holder kicker connection

601
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: matters because not every hole is the same. Kickers want

602
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: the ball held differently for different kicks, so you know,

603
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: it could help him get caught up.

604
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: A little quicker.

605
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: The other names Andre Smitt was really good this spring

606
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: nineteen to twenty one, but he's kicking in Saint Louis,

607
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: which is indoors and college. He kicked at Syracuse which

608
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: is indoors, so you know, you wonder about that factor.

609
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: And then Jonathan Garabay was the only other guy that

610
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: was over ninety percent. He was thirteen or fourteen, but

611
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: and his only miss was a block and it was

612
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: a breakdown like blocking breakdown, so it wasn't on his fault.

613
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: But he didn't attempt to kick logger than forty eight yards,

614
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: So that's if you want to go back to the Belichick.

615
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: You know, when he signed Nick Folk and it was

616
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: we're not gonnat tempt long field goals. We just want

617
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: you automatic from inside of fifty. That's Garabay. But if

618
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: they want a bigger leg, Matt Coglin is the guy

619
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: that I would encourage Patriots fans to look into.

620
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: It's interesting because when you really think about it, the

621
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: kicker spot is not all that different league to league. Yeah,

622
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 2: you're doing the same thing. You're doing like you have

623
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: a leg. You have a leg.

624
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: Right again, to go back to Garabay, Like he missed

625
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: one kick, it's because it was blocked. It's because the

626
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: protection broke down. Right, it was a thirty one yard kick.

627
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: It's not like he kicked it too well.

628
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, the lights are brighter in the NFL. There, No,

629
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 2: there's more people watching. It's a bigger deal, no doubt

630
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: about it. And then yes, on the margins, I would

631
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: assume that the rush, the kick rush is a little

632
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: bit faster in the league than it would be in

633
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: like the UFL. But in general, if you can kick,

634
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 2: you can kick right. I feel like that's the most

635
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: translatable thing from that league to this league because at

636
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: the end of the day, and it's just a kicker

637
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 2: standing there, you know, teeing off right, and there's really

638
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: no difference there. I think that it's the one thing.

639
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: And Nick Folk came from a stint and nose league. Yea,

640
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: the spring league as as Bill called it, the World League,

641
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 2: World League, Yeah, world League as he called it at

642
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: the time. So there they're some translatable scouting that you

643
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: can do there with kickers. I'm not sure. We'll see.

644
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: We'll see what it looks like in terms of other

645
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: positions on the roster. And you know, the Patriots signed

646
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: a guard from the UFL as well. It seems like

647
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: there's a decent amount of interior offensive lineman that might

648
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: be in NFL camps. Doesn't sound like there's a whole

649
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: lot of tackle talent. You know, the NFL has no

650
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: tackle talent, so these leagues are gonna have even less

651
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: tackle talent. But I don't know how much that's gonna translate.

652
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: You know, Keem Butler, you know, dominated the UFL, Wade

653
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: Phillips is coming off the field with them saying we

654
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: got to get you into an NFL camp. X receiver,

655
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: high draft pick in the league, a really talented player

656
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: coming in through college just didn't pan out.

657
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: I mean, he he probably is a fringy NFL player

658
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: like he was with that bad Cardinals team. Yeah, so

659
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: there might still be something to tap into there, but

660
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be that guy in the NFL. He'll

661
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: be like a you know, fourth or fifth receiver, probably

662
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: red zone specialists, that kind of thing.

663
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: Man, If a Keem Butler goes from the UFL and

664
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 2: makes himself into an NFL player, like a legit NFL player,

665
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: draft Twitter is going to take victory lap on Victory

666
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: lap because there you know how many people I remember

667
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: in that draft class and I was pretty high on

668
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: Hickem Butler too, if I remember correctly coming out, But

669
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 2: there were some people that were really high on Keem

670
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: Butler coming out of college, you know, des Bryant High.

671
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: That was sort of the comp I always remember with

672
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: him as the ceiling of what he could be in

673
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: the league. And you know that that did.

674
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: Not come to first and it's just gonna be another

675
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: chance for people to pile on Cliff Kingsbury.

676
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: That's also fair. So that was Those are my two

677
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: spots that I feel like they could probably address the easiest,

678
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: or there's maybe the most options running back, end kicker,

679
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: and then you're still in the same boat with wide

680
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 2: receiver and tackle. And there are some veteran free agent

681
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: tackles that are out there that I would think if

682
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: you get into a position, let's say in August, two

683
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: weeks into camp, you know those first fifteen padded practices

684
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: before the first preseason game. If the Patriots are in

685
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: a spot where Chuoks the corf is just not cutting

686
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: it or their right tackle options are just not cutting

687
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: it in there, they start to get grow concerned about that.

688
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 2: That's when I think the the David Baktiari's, the Donovan Smith,

689
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: the DJ Humphries, Charles Leno, you know those guys that

690
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: are still out there kicking around on the veteran tackle market.

691
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 2: That's probably about where they would sign one of those guys.

692
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: I would you would think, yeah, And that though, to me,

693
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 2: is still you're still not talking about a solution there.

694
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: It's more of a backup plan. And I know Baktiari

695
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 2: is probably the best out of that group, and he

696
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: was an awesome player when he was at his peak,

697
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 2: but he hasn't been healthy for multiple seasons. It's been

698
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: a while since he's played a full gamut of games,

699
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: and he's talked about it publicly that he's ready to

700
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: go and he wants to play and that sort of thing.

701
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: But you also have to think that if he does

702
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: come back, it's gonna be to a situation where he

703
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 2: might be able to chase a ring. I don't know where,

704
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: maybe he goes. They signed Tyron Smith, so they probably set.

705
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: But like the Jets with Aaron Rodgers, seems like an

706
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: obvious one to go back and play with Aaron Rodgers,

707
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: But I don't know if the Patriots are in the

708
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: position to track the guy like Bachtiari, assuming he's healthy.

709
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: But I just I just don't think he's healthy either.

710
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are some names though, and Humphreys is coming

711
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 2: off an injury too, that's why he's still available. But

712
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: that if it's really truly not working out with jupsacor

713
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: for as a one year stop gap, those guys that

714
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: all have left tackle experience are now are all available,

715
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: so I don't think it's a complete baron market at tackle.

716
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 2: But all those guys come with major age or injury

717
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: question marks, which is why they're still.

718
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: A Batiyari's played thirteen games in the last three years. Yeah,

719
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, he's Bay. I mean, I look at Lenno

720
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: like he's there's some guys that are are fine, but

721
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be tough. I don't think the answer

722
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: like people it's, oh, just signed bocked, Harry. No, if

723
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: you can play left tackle, you're on a roster. At

724
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: this point, I don't think the answers out there right now.

725
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: If anything, you know, maybe at guard and I just

726
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: want to pull my list up here, but like with

727
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: the Cole Strange injury, and they were shuffling guards a

728
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: lot in the in the in the spring, I look

729
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: at the list of free agent guards, the big one

730
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: for me, and he can actually play some tackle as well,

731
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 1: but I don't know at this point in his career.

732
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: Justin Pugh is a free agent and he played for

733
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: Ben mcadew in New York, so there's a connection there.

734
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: Mark Lewinsky, Trey Turner, Tyree Phillips. These are guys that

735
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: started get like started multiple games last year, which is

736
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: more than you can say about any of the free

737
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: agent tackles except Donovan Smith, who was really bad. So

738
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: I think, if anything at guard to help them fill in,

739
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: and you know, are you gonna get seventeen games out

740
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: of Justin Pugh? Probably not. Can you get seven or

741
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 1: eight games out of Justin Puto? Cole Strange comes back

742
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: that it's a lot more realistic. Well, I'll give you

743
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: one more too.

744
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 2: Sorry.

745
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: The reason I just soked out, I went down this

746
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. So I was looking at that twenty nineteen

747
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals coaching staff, and I'm looking to see you

748
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: else on the staff. It's the offensive line Sean Cougler. Yeah,

749
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: that name sounds familiar. Yeah, so I go to his page.

750
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: He was actually just the offensive line coach for the

751
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: DC Defenders in the UFL. The Patriots just signed Liam

752
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: Fournadelle from the DC Defenders, who will now in New

753
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: England be coached by assistant offensive line coach Robert Kugler,

754
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: who is Sean Cougler's son.

755
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: It's look at that. It's pretty crazy, even in the draft,

756
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 2: and usually, for whatever reason, I usually find these things

757
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: out after they draft the guy. Yeah, when you go

758
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: down these rabbit holes with the with the profiles that

759
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: we do, which are honestly great because we learned so

760
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: much about the players that they drafted through those and

761
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: a lot of these rabbit holes that you end up

762
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 2: going down. You realize, especially the Day two and Day

763
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: three guys, not necessarily like the third overall pick in

764
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: the draft, but the Day two and the Day three guys.

765
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you start to see the six

766
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 2: degrees of separation where it's like, oh, wow, this guy

767
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: played at this high school then with this college, and

768
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: there's seventeen different Patriots dies between these two these two programs,

769
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: or something along those list. I remember with Marcus Jones,

770
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: for instance, Marcus Jones at Houston, his DB's coach, played

771
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,439
Speaker 2: with Steve Belichick at Rutgers's. Right, Yeah, Like they were

772
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: both at Rutgers at the same time, and you hear

773
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: these connections and you're just like, oh, well, obviously on

774
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: their board, we had probably had Marcus Jones on our

775
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: board anyway because of his versatility. But in general, the

776
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 2: point being is that there's a lot of that stuff

777
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: that goes around the league. Guard. I feel the same

778
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: way about guard as I do Kicker. They have thrown

779
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: so many darts at guard in the last couple of

780
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 2: years that if they are still looking for guards, then

781
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 2: they're they're in trouble. They're in trouble at but they

782
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 2: might be. They They should be able to find between

783
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: citisow on when who nick Leverett, they should be able

784
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: to find some guys that can play on the inside,

785
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: and honestly, if they can't, I would say that more

786
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: points towards coaching than personnel, because I'm not putting any

787
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: We both hold Dante Scarneki in the highest regard. I

788
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: know I talk about them all the time, but Dante

789
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: Scarnecia was taking college wrestlers and turning them into viable

790
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 2: NFL guards. You can find guards. And if this team,

791
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: all the assets that they've thrown at guard an interior

792
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: offensive line can't find two playable guards on the roster

793
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: that they have right now, then then I'd start to

794
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: worry about what's going on with the coaching staff, because

795
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: you should be able to coach up the guys that

796
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: you have here to play guard for you. And it

797
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: is interesting, though, you know, just to connect it to

798
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: col Strange quickly, Yeah, doesn't It does feel a little

799
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: bit like his job might not be here when he

800
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 2: comes back, especially if they settle with on Wenu being

801
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: inside with City so and left guard and that whole

802
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: situation still fascinates me because he is a decent fit

803
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: in what they want to do. He's probably one of

804
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 2: the better fits that they have in terms of skill

805
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: set with his athleticism. But it will be interesting to

806
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: see if he even has a job when he comes back.

807
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: And you talk about guards, you know that that was

808
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: a big asset that they sunk into Guard. We go

809
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 2: back to the kickers real quick.

810
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: We can't remember that. One more point I wanted to

811
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: make on that because we went on the UFL tangent.

812
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: So there are some of the UFL free agents, right

813
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: But the other thing the Patriots can do. So I

814
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: put out my ross projection last week and I had

815
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: for kicker TBD. Yeah, I mean as in, essentially we

816
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: copied each other out the Week one kicker is. I

817
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 1: think we talked about this last week, like the Week

818
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 1: one Kickers not on the roster right now, so obviously

819
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 1: they could sign one of these these UFL guys. Again,

820
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: if you want to do your research at home, Andre Schmidt,

821
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: it's not smelled like like regular Schmidt SZMYT.

822
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: If you can't find them.

823
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: Matt Coughlan, Jonathan garre Bay, JJ Molson, those would be

824
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: the four guys look up, mainly Coglin. The other thing

825
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: the Patriots can do, and this is gonna might annoy

826
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: some people, but this is just where they're at. They

827
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: could essentially do the reverse of what they did last year.

828
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: And remember they had two kickers in camp, and they

829
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: both looked like they both, for different reasons, had chances

830
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: to make the roster. They were gonna keep one, despite

831
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: what I was kind of saying, and they end up

832
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: trading Nick Folk for a seventh round pick. So I

833
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: went and I looked, and I did a whole thing

834
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: on the kickers on ninety eight five the Sports of

835
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: dot com. Course, check that out. There are besides Patriots,

836
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: twelve teams right now with multiple kickers on their roster,

837
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: not including teams with ipp players. There are two teams,

838
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: the Lions and the Packers, that actually have three kickers.

839
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: Actually I think the Packers have four. But do you

840
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: magine if we covered a team with four kickers, how

841
00:40:58,800 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: much fun that would be?

842
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: You would? You would love that so much? How much

843
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 2: fun would you would enjoy that? You would? Really?

844
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: It's the Packers, so pack away four kickers. Just saying

845
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: but no, the point I'm making is as camp gets underway.

846
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: As the preseason gets underway. If you're somebody who's looking

847
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: for the Patriots to make an outside edition a kicker,

848
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: you want to follow this look at the teams with

849
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: multiple kickers and see what's going on, and do any

850
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,479
Speaker 1: teams end up in a position where it's very clear

851
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: both guys are NFL kickers and they're not both gonna

852
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: make the team, and either one gets cut and you

853
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: sign them, or you'd trade a pick. Maybe you flip

854
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: the pick he got for Nick Folk. It's a seventh

855
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: round pick. Maybe you flip that pick and get one

856
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 1: of these kickers. And specifically, what I looked at, Evan

857
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: is the teams with rookie kickers that have multiple So

858
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: you have the Lions have three. You have Jake Bates

859
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: joining James Turner who's UDFA, and Michael Badgley. Michael Badgeley's

860
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: an NFL kicker like he's been good. They're not gonna

861
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: keep both Jake Baits and Michael Badgeley, probably not so,

862
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: assuming they're both decent. You look there, you know some

863
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: of them are a little more obvious. The Rams have

864
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: Joshua Cardy, who they drafted, Tanner Brown, Josh Carty is

865
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: a better kicker. He's gonna make that team. But maybe

866
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: Josh Brown shows something this summer out of nowhere. The

867
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: Vikings will Riker, John Parker, Romo, et cetera. Here's where

868
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: it gets a little more interesting.

869
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: The Titans. They have Nick Folk.

870
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: They also have Brayden Naberson, who is a UDFA out

871
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: of North Carolina State who is one of the top

872
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: kickers in this class. Maybe Narvisen shows up and they're like,

873
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, they do the same thing with Patriots.

874
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: Did Nick Folk's old?

875
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: We have a young kicker, and maybe you said the

876
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: seventh round pick back and you get Nick Folk back.

877
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: The Carolina Panthers have Eddie Piero, who's an NFL kicker.

878
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: He's been a good kicker the last few years, one

879
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: of the best players on the Panthers. And Harrison MeVis,

880
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: who was the kicker from fact Sury.

881
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: These people his wild.

882
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: Don't don't don't you knock the thicker kicker? Six five eleven,

883
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty pounds what the thicker kicker? Look

884
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: him up, go picture of him. Harrison MeVis, he's a

885
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: he's a he's a big boy, but he's got a

886
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 1: bigger like he had a sixty He had a sixty

887
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: four yard game winner against Florida this year. He doesn't

888
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: warm up. That's another. He's got these all these quirks.

889
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: He's a good kicker, Harrison Nevis. Eddie Pinero, good kicker.

890
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 2: Remember he's got the glasses, right Pinero?

891
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: No, that's does he he might?

892
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: I think he does. I know the name though, he's

893
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 2: on the round. Well, there's all.

894
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: There was also an Eddie Piniero who was a baseball relievers.

895
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: He might be thinking of him, but uh no, Eddie Piniero,

896
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: the kicker does not wear glasses right now. No, but

897
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: he's a good he's fine. He's a good kicker. Panthers

898
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: not going to keep both those guys. And again you

899
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: have the Lions with with Jake Michael Badgeley. Fine, yeah,

900
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: he's fine. The glass he can hit kick, so he's

901
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: he's no Roberto, not Roberto o'guio. Uh blanket ship.

902
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: What was his name? Yeah?

903
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: Not Rodrigo, Yeah, Rodrigo blanket ship. Which remember that that

904
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: that whole spring I told you, ty I told you people, Tyler,

905
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: I told you people to stop falling for the meme

906
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: kicker and the Meme kickers not in the league anymore.

907
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: Tyler batt the only player on the Bills I can tolerate.

908
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: I told you that, So listen to me. Don't make

909
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: fun of Harrison Meavis. Listen to me when we talk

910
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: about kickers. The point being, these are the team there's

911
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: there's a couple more of The Browns have to have

912
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: two kickers, the Cardinals, the Colts, the Jets, and the Steelers.

913
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: These are gonna be battles to watch when when camp starts,

914
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: because if the Patriots don't sign one of these UFL

915
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: kickers and they end up needing another kicker, this is

916
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: where that guy's coming from. It's one of these twelve

917
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: teams that has two kickers, and it's gonna be one

918
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: of those guys, and a couple of these battles will

919
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: come down to the wire. I think again, the Panthers,

920
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: the Lions, maybe the Jags, Cam Little and Riley Patterson.

921
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: That's where you're gonna find your kickers. That's where that's

922
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: where you need to look.

923
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: I can promise you, and I feel pretty confident in

924
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 2: saying this that there's not gonna be a single other

925
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: Patriots podcast that's gonna do as extensive a deep dive.

926
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: That's why we're here into the available kickers than what

927
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: you just got. So just remember all the names that

928
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: I was just threw at you, all the Eddie Pineros

929
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: and all the was the thick.

930
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 1: Kicker, Nicker, Kicker, Harrison MeVis ninety eight five sports sub

931
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: dot com. It's all right, three options for the Patriots kicker.

932
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 2: That this is all all available to you.

933
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: Do you remember the twelve teams having no do you remember?

934
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: Can give me three of them? Panthers yep, Titans yep,

935
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. No, I thought you said the forty

936
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: nineers had multiple kickers. Packers, packers, packers, packers of packers,

937
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 1: of voice, packers, Lions, bear brown kickers, just kid, all right, whatever,

938
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: there's a twelve to twelve teams not included Patriots.

939
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. All right, So there's your kicker minute.

940
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: Did you did you like it? Did you enjoy it?

941
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a lot of people want to talk

942
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: about this. You guys were very I got a lot

943
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: of a lot of mentions, a lot of tags after

944
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: the Jake Bates signing, so literally people were fired up about.

945
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 2: I know, I don't even I think it was on

946
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: the weekend, right when he signed, So I was.

947
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: I not only was it the weekend, I think it

948
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: was like right before Yeah, it was right before Game

949
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: four tipped off.

950
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: Oh, I just know. I was off the grid and

951
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: I came back to my phone and I was like,

952
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: oh man, what happened?

953
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: It was right before Game four and everybody was upset.

954
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: I REMEMBERY think I laughed, they'reupset now because then the

955
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: Game four startlar I was like, yeah, woll if they're

956
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: upset about Jake Bates, wait until they see what the

957
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 1: Celtics are doing.

958
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: All right. So we talked about kickers extensively, running backs, tackles,

959
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 2: those are you know, still the biggest needs wide receiver,

960
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: which I agree with you tackle and wide receiver. The

961
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: answer is probably not coming this season or now. Yeah,

962
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: maybe at the trade deadline maybe, but we're probably not

963
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 2: there yet. To related almost back to the beginning our

964
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: conversation at the top of Crossing Sports with the Celtics

965
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: to forty nine ers and Brandon Ayuk fascinate me because

966
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: he's not leaving. If I was the forty nine ers,

967
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: and I've said this before, if I was the forty

968
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: nine ers, I am one hundred percent doubling down on

969
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 2: this core and continuing to keep that door open to

970
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: win a championship. And there's no way I'm starting to

971
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: cast off pieces at this point. If you decide in

972
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: another year or two that Brock party is just never

973
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: gonna get you there and you're gonna need to reconfigure,

974
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: maybe pay a veteran quarterback and that's gonna change things

975
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: for you, then sure you can go that a different

976
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: route there. But right now, if you're the forty nine ers,

977
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 2: I still don't understand how Brandon Ayuk is not under

978
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: contract on an extension. I still don't understand why they

979
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: haven't paid that guy. And I've said it on Tuesday,

980
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: outside of McCaffrey, when I know, that's like a big caveat,

981
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: like outside their best player. Brandon and Ayuk is their

982
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 2: best receiver on the team. He's better at this point

983
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 2: than Deebo and George Kittle are in this stage of

984
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 2: their career. So Brandon Ayuk to me, is what's keeping

985
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: that window fully open for them. So with that being said,

986
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 2: there's obviously a chance that Brandon Ayuk and the forty

987
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 2: nine Ers cannot come to an agreement on an extension

988
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: and the trade happens there, and all the reporting out

989
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati and even like you know, rap Sheet and

990
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: Schefter have once T Higgins signed the franchise tag in Cincinnati,

991
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 2: they made it sound like he's there for the year

992
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: and that door is closed too. But I'm not completely

993
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 2: sold on that. Either. He has to sign the tag

994
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: to make him eligible for a trade. You can't trade

995
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: a player that's not under contract, So he has got

996
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: to sign the tag to make him eligible for a trade.

997
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 2: He still wants a long term extension, it still doesn't

998
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: sound like it's coming from the Bengals. Yeah, and I

999
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: still feel like there's a chance that he's comes available

1000
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 2: at some point in the next let's call it a

1001
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: couple months. I'm not sure it's gonna be by the

1002
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: time Week one, you know, at the start of the season.

1003
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: But let's say Cincinnati goes into the year and they

1004
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: have Super Bowl aspirations. You can have a healthy Joe Burrow.

1005
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: We've talked about Joe Burrow's injury before. I've gotten it

1006
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: wrong once before. It's wrists got it right. Now, let's

1007
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: say Joe Burrow is not the same guy. Let's say

1008
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 2: that Joe Burrow still struggles. Let's say they still struggle

1009
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 2: as a team. Is there a world where T Higgins

1010
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: has moved at the trade deadline? I still think there is,

1011
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 2: because they can't let him walk for nothing. You can't

1012
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 2: let a talent of that caliber walk for nothing. So

1013
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: I still am in the school that I would rather

1014
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,359
Speaker 2: Brandon Ayuk on this team than T Higgins, just if

1015
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 2: I had my pick of the two. But I'm not greedy.

1016
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: I'll take either one of them with open arms. But

1017
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: I feel like from a schematic standpoint and just really

1018
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 2: I just think Brandon Nyuk's a better player than T

1019
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: higgins is. But I just like Brandon Nyuk's fit in

1020
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: the offense a whole lot better. T Higgins is a

1021
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: really high end version of that type of player, that prototype,

1022
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 2: but he does have a very specific skill set of

1023
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: lining up on the boundary. I'm not gonna get bogged

1024
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: down by xazy. I argued do it with Taylor about

1025
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 2: this when I was on Patriots Me the other day.

1026
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: It's not so much about is he an X is

1027
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: he is? He is he an f like, It's not

1028
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: so much about that he is a boundary receiver. He

1029
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: is an outside wide receiver point blank, and he's got

1030
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: great size jump ball ability. He boxes out at the

1031
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 2: catch point at the intermediate level. That's how he wins

1032
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 2: in breaking routes with his frame cat you know, jump

1033
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: balls down the field. It's a very specific type of

1034
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 2: skill set. I don't know if it's a super efficient

1035
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: in general. I know I'm bagging on T. Higgins a lot.

1036
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 2: He's a good player, but I just I wonder what

1037
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: his fit in this offense is. I wonder what his

1038
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: future is as the the guy in an offense. Does

1039
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 2: he have it to be able to be a true

1040
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: number one? Not just your number one? It's right? Yeah?

1041
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: Is he that guy? I think Brandon Nyuk is an ace.

1042
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 2: I think Brandon Nyuka is probably a top ten receiver

1043
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: in the NFL at this point. I don't know if T.

1044
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: Higgins is at that level. Yeah.

1045
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: On Higgins, I'm kind of with you. I also just

1046
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 1: think if he's a vic.

1047
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 2: Uh.

1048
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: I look at the wide receivers that are available next spring,

1049
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 1: and I'll take my chance on waiting on T. Higgins

1050
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: unless I'm gonna get him on a great deal. On

1051
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: Ayuk and this has gone under talked about I think

1052
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 1: maybe just because it's it's not as fun. But if

1053
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: you're the Niners, would you rather trade Brandon Ayuk? Say

1054
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: they can get a first round pick for brand Ayuk?

1055
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 1: I'll be generous here. Would you rather trade Brandon Ayuk

1056
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: for a first round pick or Deebo Samuel for a

1057
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: third round pick? I'd rather trade Deebo. Yeah, he's older,

1058
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: he's been dealing with a ton of injuries later in

1059
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: his career. He's kind of a more, you know, usage

1060
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: specific player. His ceeling's going to fall off. And this

1061
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: was reported at the draft a lot, and I feel

1062
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: like everybody just pushed it down because they want to

1063
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: talk about Ayuk that the Niners were at the time.

1064
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows was months ago, but the Niners

1065
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: were going to look to trade Debo before they traded, And.

1066
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: The Patriots are reportedly called right, I don't know how

1067
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 2: much interest they're the two diligence. I'm not gonna I'm

1068
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 2: not gonna.

1069
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: I think they called on both like, I'm not gonna

1070
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: fault them for calling, but I have no interest in

1071
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: in Deebo Samuel.

1072
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: I have did What do you mean I'd take Debo

1073
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: for a third for top one hundred pick. I don't

1074
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: know if that's what it's gonna take. I've seen them

1075
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: enough times. Do this.

1076
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: Let's see if we can get the last drop out

1077
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: of the receiver who's in his late twenties, who is

1078
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: probably in a pretty favorable position, more favorable than he's

1079
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: gonna be here. Right, just feels like Devonte Parker all

1080
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: over to me.

1081
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 2: Oh, I think he's a much better player than Devonte

1082
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: Parker though, But.

1083
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: Is he You look at he's signed for whatever it is,

1084
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: like three more years where a lot of money is

1085
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: he gonna be He's not gonna He's struggling to stay

1086
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 1: on the field.

1087
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 2: Deebo.

1088
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: I don't want this to come across as me disparaging

1089
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel's career because at his peak he was a

1090
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: tremendous Yeah. Oh, and he was a unique player, and

1091
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 1: I think he kind of changed the way at times

1092
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: people used certain wide receivers. But if you look at

1093
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: historically the way wide receiver production drops off at the

1094
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: age So Deebo's twenty eight, twenty eight in January, it's

1095
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: gonna be his age twenty eight season. If you look

1096
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: at the way wide receiver production drops off historically at

1097
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: the age of thirty.

1098
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 2: It's a steep, steep cliff.

1099
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: And he at the age of thirty, and he's had

1100
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: the running back right, he's got more wear and tear

1101
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: than your average five receivers. So about that, I just

1102
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: when you factor in his contract, when you factor in

1103
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: the injury history, when you factor in his age.

1104
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 2: I'm not giving up a huge asset for him. But

1105
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 2: it goes back. Let's say it takes a third round pick.

1106
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't give up a third round pick, just

1107
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: because realistically, that's a top seventy five pick. If we're

1108
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 2: going to be realistic about the Patriots and where they're

1109
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 2: headed this year, that's a top seventy five picks. I'm

1110
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 2: that's that's It's similar to how I feel with Ayuk.

1111
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 2: If I was a contender at the back of the

1112
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 2: first round, I'd give up my first round pick for

1113
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 2: Brandon Nyuk. Am I give if I am I giving

1114
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: up a first round pick for Brandon Nayuk as the

1115
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: Patriot when that first round pick could be the eighth

1116
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: overall pick in the draft. Probably not. Well, if you

1117
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 2: have Brandon Ayuk, you would like to think that they

1118
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 2: win a couple more games than what we are projecting

1119
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 2: them to win. Right now, that's all right, sure, but

1120
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: still it's gonna be a top half of the first

1121
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 2: round pick unless unless Drake May is c J. Stroud.

1122
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: And I mean that goes back to my point where

1123
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: now I'll just wait and see who's available next year

1124
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: because I would rather take my chances with that group.

1125
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 2: Then I just worry in general with the group next year.

1126
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: And I also sorry, I also just think with Deboy

1127
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: and why I think it'll cost more than maybe some

1128
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: people expect.

1129
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: I don't.

1130
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: The Niners are in a position where they can just

1131
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: play this out and let these guys be for agents

1132
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: if they can't afford them. There's not a ton of

1133
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: incentive for them to get ahead of it because they're

1134
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: so competitive right now. So it's not just what is

1135
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: Deebo worth, it's you have to like, you have to

1136
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: make it worth the Niners moving on from them.

1137
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 2: So the Niners are clearly positioning themselves to move on

1138
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 2: from some of their veteran guys at receiver because they

1139
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: drafted Ricky Pearsol, so they they the writing is on

1140
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 2: the wall for one of those guys that they're not

1141
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 2: gonna be a Niner for long, right, Because Ricky Piersol

1142
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 2: is the first round pick by San Francisco in this

1143
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 2: past draft. He plays a lot like both of those guys, really,

1144
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 2: you know, kind of those inside outside you know, really

1145
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: good with the ball in his hands, a great route

1146
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: runner like that. That's a Niners receiver. So he's gonna

1147
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 2: have a big role at some point in his career

1148
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: with San Francisco, or at least they're gonna try to

1149
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 2: give him a big role. I don't know if he's

1150
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: gonna live up to it, but we'll see.

1151
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: Well, but why wouldn't you fear the Niners just run

1152
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: it with all three try to be better. I probably would,

1153
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: So that's what to incentivize them to not do that.

1154
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: Or you get into training camp and I'm talking about

1155
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: San Francisco. Yeah, they get into training camp, and I

1156
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily somebody that bought as into the Ricky Piarsol

1157
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: hype as some people did. But let's just say they

1158
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 2: nailed Ricky Piersol and he's just awesome. And so then

1159
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 2: you get into training camp and you're in a position

1160
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 2: where they are looking at it and they're saying, there's

1161
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 2: not going to be a whole lot of opportunity for

1162
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel this year. In this offense. He's making twenty

1163
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 2: million dollars a year. He's already a guy that's expressed

1164
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 2: some disappointment or been disgruntled about his role as contract

1165
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff here in the past. It

1166
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 2: might just be best to just go in a different direction.

1167
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 2: I guess I hear what you're saying. In terms of

1168
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: the compensation, it would have to be the right compensation

1169
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 2: for a guy like that. You have to take all

1170
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 2: the things into consideration, injuries, wear and tear, all that

1171
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. But I can't help but feeling how

1172
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: effective he could be in this offense because it's very

1173
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 2: similar to the one that he ran in San Francisco.

1174
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: But the biggest thing with Debo to me is that

1175
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily that he needs to play pure running back.

1176
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 2: I don't think he needs. You know, what he did

1177
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 2: in his All Pro season, he was lining up in

1178
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 2: the backfield fifty sixty times over the course of the season.

1179
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 2: I think it was He doesn't necessarily need to do

1180
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 2: that for me to be in But he needs to

1181
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 2: recognize that he is going to be a scheme touch

1182
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: guy he's gonna have. He's gonna be somebody that they're

1183
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 2: going to try to get the ball in his hands,

1184
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 2: and that is going to mean breaking tackles, running through tackles,

1185
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 2: doing all the Deebo Samuel stuff, which has led to

1186
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: injuries and wear and tear for him, and which is

1187
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 2: why he's wanted to get away with that. Away from that,

1188
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 2: he's not going to be an effective player. Debo isn't

1189
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 2: being a peer receiver. He's just not good enough as

1190
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: a peer receiver to just run routes on the outside

1191
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 2: and win consistently and be a thousand yard guy. That's

1192
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 2: just he's going to have to be a unique player

1193
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 2: like he's been in the past. Right, So if he

1194
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: buys into that sort of role and he's willing to

1195
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: to be that guy he was a few years ago

1196
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: in terms of usage, then I still think that there's

1197
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 2: a couple good years left of Deebo Samuel in the tank.

1198
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 2: But you're you're right that I'm probably not giving up

1199
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 2: a first a top one hundred, the Patriots first three

1200
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 2: picks in next year's draft for much of anything. At

1201
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: this point. I probably would for a Yuk but I

1202
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: don't think I.

1203
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna give up for first if he gets moved.

1204
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: I think one of those back ends.

1205
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: So the question is is, you know, you start to

1206
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 2: talk about ranges right of where they could get the

1207
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,959
Speaker 2: pick the Patriots if they project the Patriots are gonna

1208
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: pick a Let's say their second round pick is top forty,

1209
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: so they could look at it and say, we could

1210
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 2: get the thirty first pick from Kansas City, or the

1211
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 2: thirtieth pick from Buffalo or something like that.

1212
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: Or Buffalo's pick's gonna start with it two at least.

1213
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: Okay, twenty eight from Buffalo, and then you can get

1214
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: or we could get thirty five from the Patriots, and

1215
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 2: maybe the Patriots are throwing in something else, right, you

1216
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 2: know that's gonna be the equation for the Pats with

1217
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 2: all of that. So it's interesting with the receivers. You

1218
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 2: mentioned the receiver free agency next year. DeVante Smith already signed,

1219
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 2: so he's out of there. Jalen Watt already sign so

1220
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: he's not going anywhere. Justin Jefferson's not going now, he's

1221
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 2: not going to know he signed. I believe Brandon Ayuk

1222
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 2: is not going anywhere.

1223
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: Well, they're don't look at who's a You don't look

1224
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: at who's a free agent next year. You look at

1225
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: who's entering an expiring contract next year.

1226
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 2: Well, my point is that there's a lot of talk

1227
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 2: about that free agency class next year. Yeah, it's all

1228
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 2: of those twenty twenty. These guys we know this. The

1229
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 2: are Chase I think is technically a free agent.

1230
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: No, they don't hit. Elite wide receivers don't hit free agency.

1231
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: You either got to draft him or trade for him. Right,

1232
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: let's see it. Because they're gonna either re sign with

1233
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: their teams or they're gonna, you know, a J. Brown,

1234
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: get moved and get a new deal. So who's the

1235
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: guy you're thinking d k Metcalf. Yeah, Seattle's kind of

1236
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: hitting the reset.

1237
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: You don't need to convince you know, you don't need

1238
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 2: to convince me on DCA. No, well, my favorite players.

1239
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 1: But it's like, is he really going to be available?

1240
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: Seattle's kind of hitting a reset right now. It's a

1241
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: new staff in the front off, it's a new coaching staff. Yeah,

1242
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: the quarterback position is unclear. He may not be super

1243
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 1: thrilled about that. They they drafted bow Nicks, right, No,

1244
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: it's Denver's Denver, See, how's smarter than that. I'll give

1245
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: him credit. They're smarter than that.

1246
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: They drafted a quarterback, didn't they. Why. I don't know why,

1247
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 2: because we all thought about for some reason, I get

1248
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 2: Denver and Seattle confused. I think it's because, like weird,

1249
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,479
Speaker 2: because that's Super Bowl. Yeah, maybe I don't know.

1250
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: They should have. I was kind of thinking they were

1251
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: gonna draft Penix. That would have been sick. No, they

1252
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: traded for Sam how Okay. Their quarterback room is Geno Smith,

1253
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: P J. Walker, Sam Howe.

1254
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: So they're in the quarterback market.

1255
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: But they've drafted receivers JSN, right, Dwayne Ascritge Jake Bobo

1256
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: kind of popped off last year, so Dwayne ascrit stinks.

1257
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, js N is they have js N, but

1258
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: most people think that JASN is taking over for Tyler.

1259
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: Lockett, which is makes But my point being like, is

1260
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: DK gonna want to be there? And if not, that's

1261
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: the guy because you put d You talk about perfect fit,

1262
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: perfect fit with the scheme, perfect fit with the quarterback,

1263
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: like quarterback does the main thing? Right, that's the guy

1264
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: to me, like you, that is all we've talked about

1265
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: about them. Getting aggressive for guys like Justin Jefferson. And

1266
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: these are different ranges, but guys like Justin Jefferson, guys

1267
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: like DeAndre Hopkins last year, all these these receivers, we

1268
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: wanted them to go all out for a J Brown

1269
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: back in the day. You can, we can go back

1270
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: to Steve Smith and Larry Fitzgerald. We've been chasing this thing.

1271
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: This is the guy DK, this is the guy.

1272
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,919
Speaker 2: I love DK. I the the entire not to pat

1273
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 2: myself on the back or take any victory laps with DK,

1274
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 2: but I really couldn't, for the life of me not

1275
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 2: understand the how DK was covered in the twenty twenty draft,

1276
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 2: right twenty twenty.

1277
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: Right nineteen nine, because it's the Kioski.

1278
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the twenty nineteen draft. He was the best receiver

1279
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 2: in that draft. You know what he I just didn't.

1280
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 2: He had some injuries in college. That was the main

1281
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 2: reason why. No, you know what it was.

1282
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 1: It's that thing that I seem to be the only

1283
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: one that figured this out where sometimes a player the

1284
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: measurables the testing, it's too good to be true, and

1285
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: I think teams he had injuries.

1286
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 2: He had a pretty significant back neck type of injury.

1287
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 2: In college that that knocked him out of a season,

1288
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 2: and then he also had like the world's worst three

1289
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 2: code time at the combine that everybody made a big

1290
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 2: deal about of. But he size, speed, explosive. Yeah it was.

1291
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 2: It was crazy. It was crazy. So DK is a

1292
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 2: good one. I still feel like the AJ Brown thing

1293
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 2: is possible because the Eagles that that roster is gonna

1294
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 2: is gonna get expensive. It already is expensive. They're one

1295
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 2: of the highest payrolls in the league, just in real cash.

1296
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 2: AJ Brown grew up a Patriots fan. We do all

1297
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 2: that whole thing all over again if we want to.

1298
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 2: They've made him happy by throwing him those Matthew Judon

1299
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 2: phrases over the last couple of years. But at some

1300
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 2: point that's going to come to a head. They just

1301
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 2: paid DeVante Smith a whole lot of money. They're a drafted,

1302
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 2: developed team. They're a team that's gonna believe how Roseman's

1303
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 2: gonna think. I'm just gonna draft the next guy at

1304
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 2: some point. So I wonder if AJ Brown's an option

1305
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 2: also a twenty nineteen Draft Guy debo twenty nineteen Draft

1306
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 2: Guy DK.

1307
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: Why does AJ Brown feel so much older?

1308
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 2: DK? Metcalf I don't know that's what you think he

1309
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 2: does right now? Is that just me?

1310
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: He's only like twenty six, it feels like he's been

1311
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: in the league much. Maybe because he's played for multiple teams,

1312
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: it feels to me like he's been in the league

1313
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: way longer. In DK Metcalf, I also wonder we're both

1314
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: twenty six. They both came in the league at the

1315
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: same time.

1316
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, I also wonder you mentioned like receivers at thirty,

1317
01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: which I know has been a thing. We might be

1318
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 2: we might be extending that a little bit, uh, just

1319
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 2: based off of obviously modern medicine, nutrition, you know, all

1320
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. But just because how receiver friendly

1321
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 2: the league is now, I wonder if it's gonna be

1322
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: more like thirty one thirty two coming up soon. But

1323
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 2: either way, you get AJ Brown, you're you get DK.

1324
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 2: They're both twenty six, twenty I think they're both get

1325
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 2: them at twenty seven. DK's entering his age twenty six season.

1326
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: His birthday is in December. AJ Brown is he's entering

1327
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,919
Speaker 2: his age twenty seven season. His birthdays in ten days.

1328
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 2: It's essentially the same timeline of Stefan Diggs in Buffalo,

1329
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 2: right and so just think about how great that's been

1330
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 2: that was for Buffalo for the last four or five years.

1331
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 2: That's what you're you would be getting with with that.

1332
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: You're not trying to do the draft class type guy. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

1333
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: But I just want to reiterate again, not that it's

1334
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 2: that important, but the guy. You look at the free

1335
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 2: agency class next year, it's absolutely out of this world stacked. Yep.

1336
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: None of those guys are actually hitting free agency.

1337
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: Now, do you know how many receivers last year, thirty

1338
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: year older caught fifty plus passes.

1339
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 2: I'm assuming it's not high, but I don't know nine nine.

1340
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: And of those three or thirty four, thirty one and

1341
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: then Adam So's it's Keenan Allen, Stefan Diggs, Davonte Adams,

1342
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: Adam Thielen, Mike Evans, Tyler, DeAndre Hopkins, who I was

1343
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: told was washed, Cooper Cup and Brandon Cooks. That's your

1344
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: over fifty.

1345
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 2: Brandon Cooks man found in the youth. That guy's never

1346
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 2: gonna slow down. I give you twenty twenty two.

1347
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: Also, yeah, no, Brandon cook one of the most underrated

1348
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: players of his arra so in twenty twenty two receivers

1349
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: thirty year older to catch over fifty passes, six Adam's

1350
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: Lockett thel and Alan Hopkins, Robert Woods.

1351
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 2: We'll see. I just wonder if well it went this

1352
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 2: gener and it's gonna take a while to get there.

1353
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 2: You know, some of these guys are like twenty three

1354
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 2: years old, so right, we're gonna be here a while

1355
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 2: before you find out. But I do wonder if this

1356
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 2: new receiver renaissance that we're in right now, I wonder

1357
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 2: if at some point that those guys can play from.

1358
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 1: Okay, to be fair to you, So I'm backtracking here.

1359
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 1: It has gone up the last three years. So in

1360
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one there were only four receivers thirty and

1361
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 1: older that's caught at least fifty passes. Cole Beasley, Marvin Jones,

1362
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: Adam theelind aj Green. So we went from four to

1363
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:57,439
Speaker 1: six to nine.

1364
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 2: So we'll see summers here, which means it's time to

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1374
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Speaker 2: get to some of these calls and emails. I do

1375
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit about our roster projections

1376
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 2: that we both put out recently as well. But let's

1377
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 2: get to the phones. Mark is in Connecticut. What's up? Mark?

1378
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 3: Oh on, guys. You gots in a new room now?

1379
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, temporarily. But it looks pretty sweet, doesn't it.

1380
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 3: Oh h, it does look pretty sweet.

1381
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, just a just had a couple of takes for

1382
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 4: you guys.

1383
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 3: My thought is left tackle. I think they really need

1384
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 3: a draft draft a high end left tack next year.

1385
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 3: That's my personal opinion on it, because they didn't get

1386
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 3: to do it this year. And then the other thing

1387
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 3: is I really like what I'm seeing out of Kaishan Boute.

1388
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 3: I think I think we're going to see a really

1389
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 3: significant improvement and maybe even a breakout year from him.

1390
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 3: But my question is, Jalen Rager, can we use him

1391
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 3: as a special teams guy so that that way we

1392
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 3: can still keep six wide receivers. That's kind of my

1393
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 3: take on that.

1394
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call. Mark, I kind of segues

1395
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 2: nicely into the fifty three man roster projections I wanted

1396
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: to touch on a little bit too. Jalen Rager, to

1397
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 2: me is exactly what Mark just said. I think he's

1398
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 2: on the team right now as a returner slash receiver.

1399
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 2: That you start to get into the bottom and this

1400
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 2: is also related a little bit to Keaishan Boody too.

1401
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 2: You start to get into the bottom of the roster

1402
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 2: at receiver, you know, four or five, six, those spots.

1403
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 2: If you're not going to contribute in the kicking game

1404
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 2: in some capacity, it's going to be really hard for

1405
01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 2: you to make the team, and it's especially gonna be

1406
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 2: really hard for you to be on game day roster.

1407
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,479
Speaker 2: You know, carrying six receivers on the game day roster

1408
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 2: and two of them don't play on special teams. Yeah,

1409
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 2: at the bottom end of the depth chart, that's gonna

1410
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 2: be difficult. Taekwon Thornton, Kaishan Boody, Juju Smith, Schuster, those

1411
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 2: guys don't have a ton of special teams value, if any.

1412
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 2: So when I was doing my roster projection, it became

1413
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 2: really hard to put those guys on the team because

1414
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 2: you're really talking about putting them on the team because

1415
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 2: not a Jujus case. Jujus case is just money. But

1416
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 2: with Booty and Thornton, you're putting them on the team

1417
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 2: because you're you're believing in something. You're believing in Santa

1418
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 2: Claus a little bit with those two guys right that

1419
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,759
Speaker 2: they're gonna Taekwon's finally going to figure it out, Kayshon

1420
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 2: Boody's gonna break out like Mark said he might. Those

1421
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: are what you're counting on with those You're counting on

1422
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 2: those guys as making the team outright as pure receivers,

1423
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 2: which is difficult to do when you get down the

1424
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 2: depth chart and they already have guys that I believe

1425
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 2: are going to be pure receivers and aren't necessarily going

1426
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 2: to push for special team snaps like you know Jalen Polk,

1427
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 2: Javon Baker, kJ Osborne, you know Pop will play on

1428
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 2: special teams a little bit in returns and things like

1429
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 2: that potentially, but you already have three or four guys

1430
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 2: on the team that are pretty much locks, that aren't

1431
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 2: necessarily going to play in the King game. So it

1432
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 2: gets dicey Kaishan Booty. I'm glad he asked about him,

1433
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 2: because I have not I have not bought in stock

1434
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 2: in Kishan Booty just yet. I feel like with Kishan Booty,

1435
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 2: we see this out of training camp last summer, even

1436
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 2: in the spring again, he'll have one really good practice,

1437
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 2: he had a great last practice to mini camp. Ye,

1438
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 2: then we won't hear about him for a week, and

1439
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 2: then they'll have another great practice, right, and then we

1440
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 2: won't hear about him for three days, and then I'll

1441
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:52,560
Speaker 2: have another great practice. And that type of seesawing. You

1442
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 2: usually don't buy too much stock into that, or I

1443
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 2: don't buy too much stock into that, because at some

1444
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 2: point you look at it and it's like he's probably

1445
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 2: going you know, those are the opportunities he's getting. He's

1446
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 2: going up against, you know, a practice squad cornerback here,

1447
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 2: practice squad cornerback there, And you don't want to make

1448
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 2: too much a big deal out of those things. I'm

1449
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 2: not all in on Kaishan Boody yet. I'm just not

1450
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 2: a believer in him yet. We'll see what happens. But

1451
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 2: we've talked about this in the past. There's a lot

1452
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 2: of that type of receiver on this team right now. Right,

1453
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 2: I'm not just talking about talent level. I'm also just

1454
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 2: talking about skill set. So where does kai Shan Booty

1455
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 2: fit in a receiver room that for the majority of

1456
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 2: the season at least is going to have Kendrick Bourn,

1457
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk, kJ Osborne, and potentially Juju Smith Schuster.

1458
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: I just kind of named a bunch of right, it's tough,

1459
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: It's it's really tough. So I had him off. I

1460
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: had and to your point, like it's it's consistency. He's

1461
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: good to flash in individual practices, but he's got to

1462
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: be able to do it on a regular basis. So I,

1463
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 1: I mean, We've done this before. We'll break it down again.

1464
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: There's four roster locks. Bop Kendrick Bourne, who drawed Mayo

1465
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: basically said will be ready for the start of the

1466
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:08,679
Speaker 1: regular season, so he's not opening on bup Bob Kendrick Bourne.

1467
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: In the two rookies, Baker and polk kJ Osborne also

1468
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: based on his contract probably making the team, he would

1469
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 1: be a pretty surprising cut. I'm not gonna call him

1470
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 1: a roster locke. He's whatever a step below that is.

1471
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 1: So now you're at five receivers, that's already a lot.

1472
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: Are you keeping a six? And then that comes down

1473
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: to Jalen Rager, Juju Smiths, Schuster, Taekwon, Thornton. You want

1474
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: to throw kisha on Booty in there, you can. But again,

1475
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: Jalen Rager to the college point, he can return kicks

1476
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: and that's big right now.

1477
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 2: Not only could he return kicks, there's a chance that

1478
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 2: he could also play gunner as well. He's done.

1479
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're working him at gunner.

1480
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 2: And they've done that a little bit in the past,

1481
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 2: and he's obviously a lot thicker and more durable than

1482
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 2: a guy like taiqu.

1483
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 1: Well, they tried Taekwon at gunner and then so there

1484
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: were there was that one practice where they were working

1485
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 1: on kickoff, remember, and Juju was the only receiver off

1486
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 1: to the side. We all kind saw that instead of

1487
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: that's not great for him, Yeah, because he's you know,

1488
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: whoever is that six wide receiver is gonna have to

1489
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: play special teams. The next day, Taekwon joined him, and

1490
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 1: I think the Taekwan gunner experiment is over because he

1491
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: got to be able to tackle. Yeah, so and and

1492
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: Booty might be able to play some special teams, but

1493
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 1: Jalen Rager has that experience. So to me, Jalen Rager

1494
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 1: kind of clearly has the inside track on that six

1495
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: wide receiver spot. Taekwon and Booty like there.

1496
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1497
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: Booty might have a little bit of guaranteed money. It's

1498
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 1: not a ton Thornton. It's a clean break in terms

1499
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: of the cape. You figured it out with Juju Smith Schuster.

1500
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: I've said this, they traded John new Smith. I think

1501
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: they could find a way to trade Juju Smith Schuster

1502
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 1: even if you have to cut him. Like you have

1503
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 1: all this cap, you have this cushion, you might as

1504
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,720
Speaker 1: well use it if it wells that you can get

1505
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: more younger players on the roster and give younger guys

1506
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 1: a chance to play.

1507
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 2: The cap.

1508
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 1: Hit doesn't extend the dead cap. I don't think extends

1509
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: beyond next year.

1510
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 2: It's not like it's this if you cut him out

1511
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 2: right then it wouldn't you know. Obviously, there's ways to

1512
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 2: make it is if you designate and post June one

1513
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,600
Speaker 2: things like that, you can make it. Yeah, But like

1514
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: you can make My point is like if you did

1515
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 2: it now right, yea, you can make ways so that

1516
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:19,799
Speaker 2: he's it's extended over multiple seasons his signing bonus proorration.

1517
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 2: But the big thing with Juju that you have to

1518
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 2: ask yourself because the dead cap stuff can be confusing.

1519
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 2: So I just want to sum it up pretty easily here.

1520
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 2: Do you would you rather pay Juju Smith Schuster ten

1521
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 2: million dollars to play for you? Or would you rather

1522
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 2: pay twelve million dollars to not play for you? But

1523
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 2: it's only that's not it's only two million dollars that

1524
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 2: we're really talking about, because if he's on the team,

1525
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,600
Speaker 2: he's gonna make like nine million dollars and your this

1526
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 2: year cash if he's on the roster. So you're really

1527
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 2: only talking about outlaying a little bit more money because

1528
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 2: of the signing bonus proorations and all the cap minusha

1529
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:04,160
Speaker 2: v at all to get rid of him. So that's

1530
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 2: that's why teams don't do it as much, is because

1531
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 2: you're literally paying a guy a boatload of money to

1532
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 2: not play for your foot right, the.

1533
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: I would you pay two million for an extra roster spot, right,

1534
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 1: That's what I'm asking.

1535
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 2: I might.

1536
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 1: I might, especially when you look at they're gonna need

1537
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 1: to carry a lot of offensive linemen. Yeah, because they've

1538
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: got to figure that thing out. There's some corners that

1539
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 1: I might go heavier at corner, even if guys aren't

1540
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: gonna play a ton this year, because I don't want

1541
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 1: to part. Like if it's the difference between keeping a

1542
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:39,560
Speaker 1: guy like Marco Wilson or keeping a guy like Marcella's

1543
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,719
Speaker 1: Dial or even Mikey Victor. I mean we think Alex

1544
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: Austin's a roster lock at this point, yeah, or keeping

1545
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 1: a guy like Isaiah Bolden.

1546
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 2: I might do that.

1547
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I might do that because you have the guy

1548
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: down the road, because you are gonna need to figure

1549
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: out what we're gonna do it after Jonathan with Jonathan

1550
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 1: Jones after this year, he's thirty one. Marcus Jones has

1551
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 1: been a good player, but he gets hurt. He's small, Like,

1552
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna want depth there. If it's keeping an extra

1553
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, keeping an extra corner, maybe keeping a guy

1554
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 1: like Jalen Hawkins, I'd probably do that. I'd bite the

1555
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: bullet for where they are, for what their cap situation is.

1556
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 2: I would do.

1557
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: I'd bite the bike. I certainly bite the bullet.

1558
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 2: So I have them keeping nine offensive linemen right now,

1559
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 2: which is probably one extra than what they really need

1560
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 2: to keep. Oh so I have ten, I have nine.

1561
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 2: I have Cold Strange not on the active roster by

1562
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 2: the way. Yeah, I didn't count. I didn't I r

1563
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,799
Speaker 2: PP or something like that. So I have nine offensive lineman.

1564
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 2: I'll just rate him off and we can compare, uh

1565
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 2: chokes the corps for Mike on Winhu City. So David Andrews, Kendon,

1566
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:46,560
Speaker 2: Wallace Landon, Robinson, Calvin Anderson, Jake Andrews, nick Levertt.

1567
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: Calvin Anderson, Jake Andrews nick Le Okay, So I'm trying

1568
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 1: to see who you have that I don't or who

1569
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 1: I have the I have Calvin Anderson some minor alphabetical

1570
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: Calvin Anderson, David Andrews, Jake Andrews. Oh, did you have

1571
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan? No, Okay, so that's who I have, And

1572
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: I had Jake Andrews on.

1573
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 2: He don't know. I have Jake Andrews.

1574
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so I had Michael Jordan's just because he

1575
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 1: got a ton of run this spring. And that's kind

1576
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 1: of what I was going off with my roster projections,

1577
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: like what did we see from the spring, and he

1578
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,560
Speaker 1: seemed like a guy that was involved. He's maybe a

1579
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: guy you could get to the practice squad and elevate

1580
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: when you need But no, they need to keep a lot.

1581
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: They It looks right now like they're gonna need to

1582
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: keep a lot because we don't know who the starters

1583
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 1: are in multiple positions. Yeah, so you got to keep

1584
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: these guys to compete. You gotta keep Nick, Leverett and City.

1585
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 1: So I mean they're keeping Laydon Robinson anyway, and maybe

1586
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan because who's playing guard? Who are your guards?

1587
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 2: Right? So you're you're definitely keeping the two draft picks, right,

1588
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 2: Wallace and Laden Robinson are locks. Yeah, Jukes Andrews, City

1589
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 2: and Miken Wenny were also locks. So those six are

1590
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 2: making the team.

1591
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 1: Yes.

1592
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 2: From that point on, teams usually hover between eight to

1593
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 2: ten offensive lineman.

1594
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 1: Ten's a lot now now, sometimes teams will start with

1595
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: seven just with the practice.

1596
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 2: Squad, right, So I would say eight is probably where

1597
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 2: they want to be. But if you're in a position.

1598
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 1: Where I use eight, as rule of thumb, because it's

1599
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,679
Speaker 1: your starting five, backup tackle, backup guard, backup center.

1600
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 2: Right, and maybe Nick Clevertt to me is the is

1601
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 2: the one guy that I wonder he's sort of the

1602
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 2: swing vote here because if you really feel confident in

1603
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 2: your guard play, then you probably don't need Nick Leverett

1604
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 2: on the team. He can probably start the year on

1605
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 2: the practice squad or something like that. But he is

1606
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 2: a guy that had a couple of years under his

1607
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 2: belt in the league, has made starts in Tampa Bay.

1608
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 2: If you are not sure about the rookies and you're

1609
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 2: not ready to play Leyden Robinson or Kaden Wallace yet,

1610
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 2: then you might need a guy like Nick Leverett around

1611
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 2: just as that. He's the chokes the corps four of

1612
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 2: the interior, right, He's a stop gap for the time being.

1613
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,760
Speaker 2: If you don't then then you probably could cut him.

1614
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 2: Maybe it's Michael Jordan on the practice squad. Maybe it's

1615
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 2: Antonio Maffi on the practice squad. You have those guys

1616
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 2: that are depth. Antonio Mafi at this point, I haven't

1617
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 2: really seen enough to make the roster from Ouda him yet.

1618
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,840
Speaker 2: I him off. Yeah, it was. It's been a little

1619
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 2: bit rough for him. H since we've seen some more

1620
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 2: exposure with his his side to side movement is he's

1621
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 2: just not there at an NFL CALIBERY rate. What did

1622
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:17,759
Speaker 2: you have a corner? Because that was the other spot

1623
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 2: that I felt like you could put a lot of

1624
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 2: corners right now on this team. So I had Christian,

1625
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 2: I had seven, I had six. I had Christian Gonzalez,

1626
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 2: the Jonathan Jones, Alex Austin Za Bolden, Marcus Jones, Marcellus Dial.

1627
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: I added, uh, oh, so I had dial off just

1628
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: because again I was going off the spring and he

1629
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: was kind of limited.

1630
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1631
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,280
Speaker 1: So, and I wrote this like there's a ton of

1632
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 1: competition here. It's way too early. No, this is one

1633
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: of the hardest to project. I had Austin Bolden, Gonzales,

1634
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: the two Jones's, Marco Wilson, and Sean Wade.

1635
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 2: Okay, I can I can see Marco Wilson or Marco Wilson.

1636
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: It's a young group, and Marco Wilson's not exactly a

1637
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 1: weathered veteran, but he's played more ball than a lot

1638
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: of these guys. Yeah, and then Sean Wage is because

1639
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 1: I I think the versatility, I think.

1640
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 2: I'm ready to quit Sean Wade.

1641
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 1: Yet it's not even that, It's just I needed somebody.

1642
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, okay, Jonathan Jones might end

1643
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,040
Speaker 1: up moving to the outside, Marcus Jones is coming off

1644
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:24,840
Speaker 1: significant injury. Maybe Isaiah Bolden. They try in the slot.

1645
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 1: They did a little this spring. But like I that's

1646
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 1: why I went Sean Wade over dial or Victor or

1647
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 1: even even as easy as her and Wit a good summer.

1648
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 2: But the only reason why I had dial Logue is

1649
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 2: that he's the only draft pick on that side of

1650
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:42,639
Speaker 2: the ball. And if you just basically if you cut him, yeah,

1651
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 2: and let's say they lose him, right, they could make

1652
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 2: him put him back on the practice squat and and

1653
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 2: this is this point is null and void. But let's

1654
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:51,479
Speaker 2: say you cut him and then they lose him. You

1655
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 2: literally have nothing from this draft on defense.

1656
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 1: I ad not a single He took three guys in

1657
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 1: the top one hundred last year. That's fine, that's fine.

1658
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: I just feel like, how many years did they have

1659
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 1: one offense?

1660
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 2: But it's the one investment they made on that side

1661
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 2: of the ball.

1662
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,759
Speaker 1: And I don't think he's likes premium investment.

1663
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 2: I know, but he's a guy that had decent college.

1664
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: What if Mikey Victor makes the team.

1665
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 2: I just don't really I'm not really sold in either

1666
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 2: of the udfas. I guess as part of the problem too. Now,

1667
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 2: Isaiah Bolden is almost from this draft class. Yeah, you

1668
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 2: know they've said that before because he didn't play it

1669
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 2: all last year because of the injury, So you could

1670
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 2: look at that. I feel like Isaiah Bolden's on this

1671
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:35,680
Speaker 2: team right now.

1672
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 1: I think so too, pretty solidly the ones I feel

1673
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 1: good about or Austin, I'm just going alphabetically Austin, Bolden, Gonzalez, Jones,

1674
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 1: and Jones. Yeah, and then it comes down to Wilson, Wade, Herndal, Victor.

1675
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 1: You want to throw in like Caleb for dement whatever,

1676
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 1: But like that's the I would just like they're battling

1677
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:53,679
Speaker 1: for one or two spots.

1678
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would just like them to have one one

1679
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 2: guy rookie, but they're so young on that side of

1680
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 2: the ball. That's the like, but you just you like

1681
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 2: to have the pipeline continued. Austin.

1682
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 1: That's Bolden, Gonzales are all second year players. Marcus Jones

1683
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:13,120
Speaker 1: is a third year player. Again, Marco, like Marco, Wilson's

1684
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 1: now kind of one of the veterans of this group.

1685
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: He's I think in the year Uh he was twenty

1686
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 1: twenty one draft, so he's.

1687
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 2: In his third year.

1688
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: If it's and again, I kept Wade just because I

1689
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: needed more on the slot.

1690
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:27,640
Speaker 2: Sure, if it's close though, between dial and any of

1691
01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 2: the you know, Wade will soon like you should be

1692
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 2: kidding it's just between those guys.

1693
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 1: But if it's between Dial and like Isaiah Bolden or

1694
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: dial in Mike Victor, like they're all young, they're all young.

1695
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Zay Bolden is on this team.

1696
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 2: I think the main reason example why is let's not

1697
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 2: discredit what he can do on special teams. Yeah, he's gonna,

1698
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 2: I I he's going to be a big time special

1699
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:55,519
Speaker 2: team player, both potentially as a returner, but mostly also

1700
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 2: I think covering kicks you know in the open field, size, speed,

1701
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 2: good ackler. Like, I think he's going to be a

1702
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 2: really good special team player for them. So I I,

1703
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 2: you know, me, you're the special team's guru on the show.

1704
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 2: But I am not losing sight of the fact that

1705
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 2: Matthew Slater is no longer running down there. That's important.

1706
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 2: So to throw as many bodies at gunner as they

1707
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 2: possibly have is gonna be important. So whether that's receivers

1708
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 2: like Jalen Rager trying to get reps at gunner, or

1709
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 2: whether that's keeping a guy like Isaiah Bolden who could

1710
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 2: potentially be a good body type fit for gunnery. They

1711
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:38,640
Speaker 2: are losing a huge, huge impact special teams player. And

1712
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 2: I know some people laugh at that being a big

1713
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:44,639
Speaker 2: deal and roll their eyes out, but it's really is true.

1714
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: Look, it would happened when in the Super Bowl the

1715
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 1: Niners couldn't cover a punt. Yeah, couldn't return a punt.

1716
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: Major difference.

1717
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 2: All Right, a batch of the phones. William is in Philly.

1718
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 2: What's up, William?

1719
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:57,560
Speaker 3: How you do?

1720
01:22:57,560 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 2: Are good?

1721
01:22:59,439 --> 01:22:59,759
Speaker 3: Okay?

1722
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 2: Uh?

1723
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 4: Stay out of how you feel?

1724
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 1: All right?

1725
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 4: I just have two takes. I'm trying to make this

1726
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 4: fairs you had you had said this before you said

1727
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 4: time one draft one. I think I remember that take though,

1728
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:15,799
Speaker 4: right ye, where they might have to double dip and whatnot.

1729
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 4: So let me just give you, uh, maybe another take

1730
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 4: to how about just trade one and pay one like look,

1731
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 4: I get it. Okay, you got a bunch of bias

1732
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:27,560
Speaker 4: at that at the wide receiver position. There's nothing that

1733
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 4: really stands out. That's who's that number one dude?

1734
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 2: You know?

1735
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 4: And since the pictures are so funny about draft picks

1736
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,719
Speaker 4: and you know, and and and money is of course,

1737
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 4: basically I mean regards to how you feel about Marie

1738
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 4: Cooper Dove, he's better than everything on your rock, but

1739
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 4: better thing is better than everything on the wide receiver

1740
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 4: co as far as the roster is concerned, is that,

1741
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 4: you know, and he ain't gonna cost much and you

1742
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 4: don't have to give up a first round pick. So

1743
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 4: what do you think about that? I'll leave it at debt.

1744
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 2: Have a good one, gentlemen, Thanks William. We've all we've

1745
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 2: both loved that trade one. Yeah, like that. We've both

1746
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 2: liked that Mari Cooper with Mark Cooper? Is he available?

1747
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 2: The Browns have invested a lot at that receiver spot

1748
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,679
Speaker 2: in the last what they traded for Jerry Judy, Yeah,

1749
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 2: they traded for the kid from the Jets who I'm

1750
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 2: blanking on his name right now? What's a I forget

1751
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 2: I'm pulling up. I'm having some brain farts today. There's

1752
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:24,640
Speaker 2: there's a chance Jalen Dart. Now there's a chance that

1753
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 2: I guess Elijah Moore, thank you. There's a chance that

1754
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:32,799
Speaker 2: the that a Mark Cooper could be available. He certainly

1755
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 2: saw what he got last time was nothing. You know,

1756
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 2: depending's on the dollar.

1757
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: Look, he's coming, He's gonna step right in, Alex van Pelt,

1758
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,839
Speaker 1: There's gonna be no adjustment needed. I mean, yeah, tomorrow,

1759
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 1: if you can get Amari Cooper tomorrow, I I just

1760
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: the Browns would be ridiculous to do that.

1761
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I agree. I don't think the Browns are

1762
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 2: going to do that. The Browns. Part of the reason,

1763
01:24:57,640 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 2: A big part of the reason why the Browns moved

1764
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 2: on from Alc fan Pelt is they are so all

1765
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 2: in on to Shaun Watson working because of how much

1766
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 2: they're paying him right that I just don't think that

1767
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 2: they're in the market of selling off pieces right now

1768
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 2: because they ownership is basically saying you're gonna you're we're

1769
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 2: wiping out football operations unless you make the Shawn Watson

1770
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 2: work because we just paid him two hundred and fifty

1771
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 2: million dollars to work. So figure it out. That is

1772
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 2: would be moving in the wrong direction, I guess I

1773
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 2: would say. But yeah, with the receiver. We got another

1774
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 2: question too about kJ Osborne and just asking, you know,

1775
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 2: if he were to get cut from this team free

1776
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:44,599
Speaker 2: agents coming here in future years, you just signed this guy.

1777
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 2: He gave him some guaranteed money, you cut in anyways, like,

1778
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 2: how much of an impact does that have? Because for

1779
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 2: right now, I still feel like kJ Osborne to me

1780
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 2: is still proving himself to my eyes of whether or

1781
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 2: not he's a roster Locke roster worthy player. Has some

1782
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 2: drops in the spring that weren't great. I had a

1783
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 2: couple of flashes, no doubt about it. But again we

1784
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 2: go back to that same thing, polk Bourne, Osborne, if

1785
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 2: Juju's still here, even Javon Baker to an extent, A

1786
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 2: lot of those guys play a lot of the same

1787
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 2: type of football. Their skill sets have a decent amount

1788
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 2: of overlap, and I don't know if you're gonna be

1789
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:25,639
Speaker 2: able to get all of those guys on the field

1790
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 2: at once. But Osborne has played outside and played the

1791
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 2: X a little bit in Minnesota so that they could

1792
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,719
Speaker 2: move Justin Jefferson around, So it's not out of the question.

1793
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:37,559
Speaker 2: But do you feel like that's a factor, and kJ

1794
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:39,719
Speaker 2: Osborne is you know, you gave this guy some money

1795
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 2: and paid him in free agency.

1796
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially, I mean he's a wm E Sports guy.

1797
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,040
Speaker 1: So when you look at that, when you when you

1798
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: talk about are you risking upsetting the player, you're really

1799
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:53,600
Speaker 1: talking about the agent. Yeah, and Ben ben Renzen is

1800
01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 1: his agent, according to spot track wm E Sports. Here's

1801
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:01,599
Speaker 1: a couple other Ben Redsden's clients, Justin Jeffer Tremaine Edmonds,

1802
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:05,719
Speaker 1: Javon Kinlaw, Chukes Achora for Is, he's.

1803
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 2: One of Chukes Core.

1804
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: He's listed with three different ages, Jackson Smith and Jigbu,

1805
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips, Mike YASICKI So like he represents some bigger

1806
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 1: named players. Yeah, yeah, maybe not a guy you want

1807
01:27:17,680 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 1: to poke the bear with.

1808
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's definitely fair. The other point that that

1809
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,800
Speaker 2: William made about the number one receiver, and we all

1810
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 2: agree that they don't have that coverage till coverage dictating receiver.

1811
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,600
Speaker 2: They don't have him yet. But I will say, just

1812
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 2: again to be a little bit optimistic here, I really

1813
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 2: did like what I was starting to see from Jalen

1814
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:45,040
Speaker 2: Polk towards the end of the spring, and we talked

1815
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 2: to him at the I believe it was after the

1816
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 2: Wednesday practice with Mini camp. We talked to him and

1817
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 2: I asked him, what's clicked for you? Because early on

1818
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 2: in the spring, first couple of practices we saw, I

1819
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 2: know Tas he really wasn't popping all that much in team.

1820
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 2: Then we get into the last two days of practice

1821
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:09,759
Speaker 2: Monday and Wednesday in mini camp, and all of a sudden,

1822
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 2: he's making catches all over the place. So I asked

1823
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 2: him what popped and he really felt like it was

1824
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 2: the mental side of things, like he was still kind

1825
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 2: of learning to playbook and getting it assimilated. Rookie it

1826
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 2: happened right, all that kind of stuff. So if we

1827
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:23,719
Speaker 2: assume that that's what it was, and it's on talent

1828
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 2: and it's not ability, right, then there's no reason like

1829
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 2: his his play should just keep going like this now, right,

1830
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 2: you know, it's not a development, is not any arre

1831
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 2: YadA YadA YadA, but it should, in theory, continue to

1832
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 2: get better and better in the day. Should stack now

1833
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 2: that he's mentally locked in. I still feel the same

1834
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 2: about Jalen Polk as I did on Draft night. Ideally

1835
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:45,839
Speaker 2: he's probably a high end number.

1836
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 1: Two, right you want him to be and he's not

1837
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: like this kind of player, but you want him to

1838
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 1: be like your t Higgins correct, right, or you're Tyler

1839
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: Lockett or you know, next to and then you and

1840
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 1: then next year you go get Jamar Chase, you go

1841
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: get DK Metcalf maybe literally yeah, or maybe that's you know,

1842
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 1: maybe that ends up being uh uh the Missouri receiver.

1843
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 2: Wow, this is your guy, Luther Burdon, Luther Burton, thank you,

1844
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 2: that's your guy. Or no, there's another guy. Now.

1845
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 1: I've seen people in the chat talk about him. I

1846
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: watched him a little bit. I have mixed feelings his

1847
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: and actually I'm looking at the consensus board. He's now

1848
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,639
Speaker 1: the consensus top receiver in the draft. He's past Burden.

1849
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: I texted you about this guy, and the first thing

1850
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:28,400
Speaker 1: I really have to do is learning to pronounce his name.

1851
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 2: T E t A I r o A.

1852
01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: Tatoria. I think Tatoria McMillan from Arizona.

1853
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:38,599
Speaker 2: I was gonna say the Arizona kids.

1854
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 1: So there is that kind of Jetfish. I know Jedfish

1855
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 1: went to watch him, but there's that kind of connection.

1856
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:45,040
Speaker 2: So he did.

1857
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 1: I think he's like the highest recruit in the University

1858
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:53,200
Speaker 1: of Arizona football history. The one thing people point out

1859
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 1: when I bring up Burden, and I stand by Burden

1860
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:56,719
Speaker 1: being a great player.

1861
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 2: He is.

1862
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 1: But the one thing people bring up when I mentioned

1863
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 1: Luther mentioned Luther Burn is he's small. Yeah, he's a

1864
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: smaller guy, and he's not an ex he's an inside receiver.

1865
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: He's just for a wide receiver room that already isn't

1866
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 1: very big. You wonder about to fit McMillan six ' five,

1867
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:16,600
Speaker 1: he's listed at two ten. I think he's bigger than that.

1868
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 1: The problem is when I watch him, like right now

1869
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 1: there and he doesn't play he's not quite Johnny Wilson.

1870
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: Johnny Wilson was an extreme Yeah, but remember how Johnny

1871
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 1: Wilson was. The skill set didn't match the size. He

1872
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:32,560
Speaker 1: played like somebody much smaller, and it was both a

1873
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:34,680
Speaker 1: good thing and a bad thing. There's a little bit

1874
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 1: of that with McMillan, where he is really good at

1875
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 1: the catch point, Like that's what he has that Wilson didn't,

1876
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,680
Speaker 1: and that's why he's much better. He's excellent as a

1877
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:46,919
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty receiver, but he's better after the catch.

1878
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 2: Than you'd think.

1879
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 1: But it's more he's elusive. He's not running over guys

1880
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know, like the ceiling, I bet when

1881
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:55,439
Speaker 1: we get to the draft and we're way ahead of it,

1882
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 1: and he still got another year to play, so we'll see.

1883
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:00,320
Speaker 1: And the other thing with him that's interesting is he's

1884
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:03,919
Speaker 1: playing at Arizona with his high school quarterback, so he's

1885
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 1: kind of advanced on the chemistry side of all of it.

1886
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:09,559
Speaker 1: But you're gonna hear a ton of Mike Evans comps

1887
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:12,839
Speaker 1: thrown around, and you're gonna hear a ton of Nikhil

1888
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 1: Harry comps thrown around for this guy, and it's gonna

1889
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 1: I think this season we're gonna see that. People are

1890
01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 1: gonna be very divided on McMillan, but he's gonna be

1891
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 1: a guy to watch, and there is enough flashes where he's.

1892
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 2: Gonna be a true junior this year.

1893
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 1: He's young, he just turned twenty one in April, so

1894
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to make any definitive statements, but you

1895
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 1: do see flashes of this guy can be a prototype

1896
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 1: outside ex coverage dictating DK metcalf A, J Brown, Mike

1897
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 1: Evans kind of player.

1898
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's that yet.

1899
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,560
Speaker 1: We still got a lot of football to play, but

1900
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 1: there are some who are jumping to yeah, he might

1901
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 1: be in that group when we get to that point.

1902
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 2: So two things. One, I've seen social media eclipse of

1903
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:57,560
Speaker 2: this guy already and from spring practices of him just

1904
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:01,680
Speaker 2: making insane one handed catches is not even necessarily in

1905
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:04,600
Speaker 2: the in the flow of play, but just more like

1906
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 2: for fun like Odell style. Uh. And Secondly, I have

1907
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 2: decided that Mike Evans is now retired from comps okay,

1908
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 2: because he's too good. All right, Well, you're gonna hear

1909
01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 2: a lot of it. So there's a I feel strongly

1910
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 2: about this when it comes to draft comps, which, by

1911
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 2: the way, I know a lot of people feel like

1912
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 2: draft comps have no place and it's stupid. I actually

1913
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 2: really like them.

1914
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 1: I have people love him, you see, people can't get him.

1915
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 2: I have I have fun doing comps. I feel like

1916
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 2: comps are really good because, let's face it, you people,

1917
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:43,160
Speaker 2: as the casual fans or even as the diehard fans

1918
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:47,400
Speaker 2: of the show or of football, don't necessarily have a

1919
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 2: full time job dedicated to watching all these guys like

1920
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 2: Alex and I do. So it's our job to tell

1921
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 2: you who these guys are and who these guys play.

1922
01:32:55,200 --> 01:32:57,680
Speaker 2: Like the easiest way for us to do that is

1923
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:01,759
Speaker 2: just to simply say Jalen Polk reminds me of player

1924
01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 2: X or jay Von Baker reminds me of player Why. Now,

1925
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 2: everybody understands that's who he is, right, that's his skill set,

1926
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 2: that's his that's who he is. There are certain guys

1927
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 2: that are in that pantheon of NFL players that I

1928
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 2: just feel like, you don't know. I'm with you, we don't.

1929
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 1: I drop remember how much I refuse to comp Caleb

1930
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 1: Williams to Patrick Mahomes and everybody else was doing it. No,

1931
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that is Mike. Mike Evans is

1932
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 1: at that level for you.

1933
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 2: I think he is.

1934
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, play Mike Evans would be the the

1935
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 1: ultimate ceiling Mike Evans.

1936
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 2: But I believe is that eight or nine straight thousand yards?

1937
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 2: I Mike Evins the first bound.

1938
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not guaranteeing longevity. I'm just talking about

1939
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 1: skill set. I understand there are guys that have played

1940
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 1: like Mike Evans. Okay, so AJ Brown you haven't watched him,

1941
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 1: so I guess this isn't fair.

1942
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 2: But like a J. Brown, I'm not putting a J.

1943
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 2: Brown there yet.

1944
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:54,680
Speaker 1: No, but no, I'm saying for my comp for Mick,

1945
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 1: just way too early. He could come out and suck

1946
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:00,920
Speaker 1: this year, and somebody's gonna, oh, barth comparing them.

1947
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 2: To Mike Evans, like he's so young. That's why I

1948
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 2: hate doing this.

1949
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:06,960
Speaker 1: But as we get it's this time of year, like

1950
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 1: you're starting to read up, you're starting to get ready

1951
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:12,400
Speaker 1: for college football season. I've talked a lot about Luther Burden.

1952
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm not doing my job if I don't give people

1953
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:16,360
Speaker 1: the full picture and shout out. Somebody in the comments

1954
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 1: told me he goes by a nickname. This how early

1955
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 1: I am learning Tech, McMillan tech and some of the

1956
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 1: other exes. I think some people might have heard of

1957
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 1: some of these guys. Tory Horton from Colorado State we

1958
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:30,320
Speaker 1: thought might come out last year. Nick Anderson from Oklahoma

1959
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 1: is an interesting player. Doesn't have a ton of experience,

1960
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 1: but he's he's got some flashy plays. People might remember Elk.

1961
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:41,200
Speaker 1: I think it's Ao Manor was the guy he put

1962
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 1: up What do he have? He had like two forty eight?

1963
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 1: I think the guy who torched Colorado last year from

1964
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:50,639
Speaker 1: Stanford and Jay Michael sturd of Aunt from UCLA.

1965
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,680
Speaker 2: Those are like the big extra. When's the dude from

1966
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 2: Ohio State. He's finally coming out this year?

1967
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 3: Right?

1968
01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 1: Oh uh mechag Buca and so he's probably coming out

1969
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,720
Speaker 1: that guy, that guy was the next guy three years

1970
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:07,479
Speaker 1: in a row. No, no, no, So Ohio State, this

1971
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:10,040
Speaker 1: is this is always amusing to me. Ohio State. For

1972
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 1: all the great receivers they've had, what was the guy's name? Uh,

1973
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 1: For all the great receivers Ohio State football's had the

1974
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 1: last four or five years, they only had one guy

1975
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 1: that was like a consensus number one pick and he

1976
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 1: was kind of a bust. His name is Julian Fleming

1977
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:29,120
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be a red shirt senior this year,

1978
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:30,400
Speaker 1: just transferred to Ohio State.

1979
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:32,240
Speaker 2: I feel he was supposed to be the best of

1980
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:36,679
Speaker 2: all of them. I feel like the Buka. Yeah. Sorry,

1981
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 2: I'm butchering it, but I I feel like that guy.

1982
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:41,880
Speaker 2: I had been told about that guy seventeen times.

1983
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 1: Well, he was he was supposed to be one of

1984
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,680
Speaker 1: the best receivers. He got hurt this past year and

1985
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 1: I think that's why he went back to school. Yeah no,

1986
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,600
Speaker 1: but they have wait till you see the next the

1987
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 1: next guy, the next.

1988
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 2: Big their wide receiver. You I I really believe that

1989
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 2: they've no this this They've overtaken Alabama as wide. Oh

1990
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 2: it's not even close.

1991
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 1: No, but Jeremiah Smith five star, crew, one hundred run

1992
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:07,040
Speaker 1: rating by twenty four to sevenies eighteen.

1993
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 2: The people, it's very early. But it's not even just

1994
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 2: about it's very in terms of his development. We also

1995
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 2: are not going to be talking about him until like

1996
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:18,160
Speaker 2: the twenty eight draft.

1997
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 1: All right, So they trade for DK Metcalf next year,

1998
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 1: he's going to be about thirty around this time.

1999
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 2: We're already planning ahead for this guy to come.

2000
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 1: Six three, two fifteen, and I haven't watched him. So

2001
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:33,280
Speaker 1: this is just me regurgitating what I've read.

2002
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 2: This is like in basketball when they tell you, right,

2003
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:38,839
Speaker 2: Sebastian Telfair, everybody's gonna be tanking.

2004
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 1: So no, this is like, I actually am worried for

2005
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 1: this kid because what I read from one Ohio State

2006
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 1: writer faster version of Marvin Harrison junior. Okay, so we'll see,

2007
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: we'll see, all right, Jeremiah Smith.

2008
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:58,439
Speaker 2: David asks from San Jose what we think is the

2009
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 2: strongest position group on the team the Patriots right now?

2010
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 2: He says secondary as a whole. I agree that it

2011
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:08,760
Speaker 2: is the secondary. I don't know of putting them all

2012
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:11,719
Speaker 2: together is necessarily fair, but yeah, I hear what he's saying.

2013
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 2: Secondary as a whole, I definitely think is up there.

2014
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 2: I mean, it might be corner. I I'm going to

2015
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 2: say that it's if I had to pick right now,

2016
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 2: it's probably safety just because Dugger and Peppers are too proven,

2017
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:28,400
Speaker 2: very good players. But Corner to me, has the most potential.

2018
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:30,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, we did this. We did this last week.

2019
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:33,280
Speaker 2: I think because Christian Zalez could just be what he

2020
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 2: was the first month of the season last year. Jonathan

2021
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 2: Jones is a high end starter in my opinion. Yeah,

2022
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 2: and then Alex Marcus Jones. Yeah, like, those guys have

2023
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 2: a really high potential. Where does it rank in the league.

2024
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 2: I would say their secondary is pretty high up there

2025
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 2: in the in the NFL. Honestly, their entire defense is

2026
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 2: pretty high up there in the NFL. If you just assume,

2027
01:37:57,120 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 2: and I know this is a big assumption, but if

2028
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 2: you assume that there's not a drop off coaching wise

2029
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:04,599
Speaker 2: with the Belichicks out of the building, then their defense

2030
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:07,639
Speaker 2: on paper is as good as anybody's. I really feel

2031
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 2: that way. They're as good as anybody's, especially if they

2032
01:38:10,360 --> 01:38:12,719
Speaker 2: if Judon is sticking Like, if Judon is sticking around,

2033
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 2: their defense on paper is right up there with a

2034
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:20,480
Speaker 2: lot of teams. They they have top end talent Judon, Gonzales,

2035
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:24,600
Speaker 2: bar More, They have the Belichick, Lunch Pale guys, you know,

2036
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:27,880
Speaker 2: Bentley Tavai and those types of peppers, those types of

2037
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 2: players Kyle Dugs and Kean White are kind of those

2038
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:32,959
Speaker 2: X factor guys that if they played to their ceilings,

2039
01:38:33,160 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 2: then the defense is kind of out of control. Honestly,

2040
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:37,360
Speaker 2: Like they they have a chance to be a very

2041
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:39,960
Speaker 2: very good defense. I don't know where we want to

2042
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 2: rank them, but I would say that they have a

2043
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:42,800
Speaker 2: chance on paper.

2044
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean they they definitely have a chance and they

2045
01:38:45,200 --> 01:38:47,120
Speaker 1: have a strong chance to be the best defense in

2046
01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 1: the AFC. Some of the the edit it's weird, a

2047
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:53,320
Speaker 1: lot of most of the best defenses San Francisco, Dallas, Dallas.

2048
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 1: I know Philly took a step back last year, but

2049
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:56,600
Speaker 1: they got a ton of talent. Like it feels like

2050
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:00,120
Speaker 1: all the eliteally defenses are in the NFC, but with

2051
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 1: with in the AFC, wits the Patriots, it's the Steelers,

2052
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 1: it's the Jets like those are the three and in

2053
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 1: the Patriots could absolutely absolutely of the best defense of

2054
01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 1: those three.

2055
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:13,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, Adam Emills it and says I'm wrong, shocker. Uh.

2056
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:16,880
Speaker 2: That wide receiver U is l s U. That's fair. Yeah,

2057
01:39:16,920 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 2: there's some there, there's a competition there, that's fair.

2058
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 1: I think that Ohio like l s U as high

2059
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 1: end guys like, but Ohio State it's always three or

2060
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 1: four guys in the top one.

2061
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean Ohio State right now in the league

2062
01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 2: is what like Marvin Harrison, obviously js N, Terry McLaurin.

2063
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:41,200
Speaker 2: I know, I'm forgetting a bunch of JSN, Chris Olave,

2064
01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:44,720
Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson. I mean that's a.

2065
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:48,599
Speaker 1: Pretty good and well, so LSU has Jefferson Jefferson Chase

2066
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 1: neighbors Odell you want to like throw him in there.

2067
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 2: I always say that LSU has They've had a renaissance

2068
01:39:57,560 --> 01:40:00,840
Speaker 2: l s U receivers. But we went a long way

2069
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:05,120
Speaker 2: from like Odell Jarvis Landry LSU to Jamar Chase. Just yeah,

2070
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 2: that's the thing. There was a there was a gap there.

2071
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 2: There was a pretty big game. All right.

2072
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 1: So on three did this before last season, before the

2073
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three season. They have Ohio State is number two,

2074
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:21,519
Speaker 1: they have LSUS number three, Alabama that's number one. USC

2075
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 1: is this like all time? Let's see because USC right

2076
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 1: the US metrics here? Oh this is ESPN, did it

2077
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:36,000
Speaker 1: USC right?

2078
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:38,839
Speaker 2: Now? If you want to give them Jordan Addison, obviously,

2079
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:40,719
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think.

2080
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 1: Amen ra Drake London Michael Pittman Juju says recently, I

2081
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:46,880
Speaker 1: don't know how reasonable.

2082
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:49,840
Speaker 2: And they also bring up I'm not a big Drake

2083
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:53,880
Speaker 2: London guy. So maybe that's that's why. Maybe USC. I mean,

2084
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 2: that's a good group. Yeah, it's a good group. A Monroe.

2085
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 2: You throw Addison in there now too, Yeah, that's a

2086
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 2: good group.

2087
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:04,840
Speaker 1: So they throw they have USC, Ohio State, LSU, Alabama,

2088
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:08,799
Speaker 1: Oklahoma is up there, Oklahoma State, that's got to be historic,

2089
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 1: Florida State, Florida pitt notre Dame pit sneaky good wide receiver.

2090
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 1: You pitch should get more credit for Addison? The USC

2091
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:17,000
Speaker 1: shit probably true. They got Larry Fits.

2092
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:19,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's I know.

2093
01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 1: But you produce Larry Fits, you get to claim that forever.

2094
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:23,320
Speaker 1: I'll give him credit for that one.

2095
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:26,880
Speaker 2: So Ohio State now, is I just named all of them.

2096
01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 2: I think it's Marvin Harrison, Junr, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave,

2097
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:39,000
Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin for in JSN, if you want to count Jasn.

2098
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:45,840
Speaker 1: Olave, Garrett Wilson, JSN, Marvin Harrison, Terry McLaurin, Paris Campbell

2099
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 1: still in the league. He's kicking around Michael Thomas. They'll

2100
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:49,800
Speaker 1: have a BUKA next year.

2101
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 2: So that's that. Let's just take that five, right, Harrison, JSN, Olave, Wilson, Scary,

2102
01:41:57,479 --> 01:42:04,559
Speaker 2: Terry bad five versus Chase, Chase, Justin, Jefferson, Jefferson, Molik

2103
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 2: neighbors to Kay. The Jaguars drafted. Who I'm blanking on

2104
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:08,400
Speaker 2: right now?

2105
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:14,679
Speaker 1: Oh Thomas, Brent Thomas, Yeah, Brenton Thomas, Brian Thomas, Brian Thomas,

2106
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:15,559
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Jr.

2107
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,799
Speaker 2: I guess Odell. That's the difference.

2108
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 1: Like LS, you might have the two best receivers in

2109
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 1: the league and Jefferson and Chase, but we could you

2110
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:27,720
Speaker 1: get to five after l s U and then it

2111
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,880
Speaker 1: drops off, whereas Ohio State we could go for days.

2112
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:33,840
Speaker 2: And really with Ohio State, the only guy who's a

2113
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 2: rookie that's not proven yet is Marvin and Marvin is

2114
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 2: going to be a stud, so you know, neighbors, I

2115
01:42:38,479 --> 01:42:40,200
Speaker 2: think is gonna be a stud too. But Brian Thomas

2116
01:42:40,240 --> 01:42:42,560
Speaker 2: will see you know, like we're we're talking about some

2117
01:42:42,720 --> 01:42:42,960
Speaker 2: more on.

2118
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Speaker 1: Somebody in the chat brought up pitch to get credit

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01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:46,240
Speaker 1: for Bob means too.

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01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 2: That is correct. It's a good argument though. It's a

2121
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:49,919
Speaker 2: good discussion.

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01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:54,439
Speaker 1: Good, it's good off season discussion. Could I talk to you,

2123
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:57,360
Speaker 1: Could I talk you into doing a position you show

2124
01:42:57,920 --> 01:42:58,799
Speaker 1: during the dead period?

2125
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Maybe two U running back you QBU was QBU

2126
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:07,960
Speaker 2: is tough because it always you know, Alabama has the numbers.

2127
01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:11,439
Speaker 2: It's so inconsistent of what they actually end up in

2128
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 2: the league, right, Like I like Alabama had a roll

2129
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:18,840
Speaker 2: in with Hurts too, uh, and then Mac was there's

2130
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:22,320
Speaker 2: one more too, isn't there? Oh? Bryce? Oh yeah? Bryce Young?

2131
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 2: Of course, so they had it rolling for a minute there. Yeah,

2132
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 2: and then obviously Mac flames out. Jalen Hurts has kind

2133
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 2: of a step back year.

2134
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 1: Last year, see what Bryce Young? But if I asked

2135
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:35,360
Speaker 1: you got instinct qbu last ten years.

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01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:41,200
Speaker 2: Last ten years? Yeah, yeah, I guess it'd probably be Alabama.

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01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 1: It kills me because I don't like the coach it's

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01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:46,599
Speaker 1: probably Clemson.

2139
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 2: Clemson because of Deshaun.

2140
01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 1: Deshaun and Lawrence.

2141
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:53,679
Speaker 2: That's true. They do have both those guys, but both

2142
01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:58,400
Speaker 2: those guys are USC. It was USC for a long time. Yeah,

2143
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 2: when we were kids, it was it was deaf. Yeah,

2144
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:03,479
Speaker 2: but they were all those were all busts, all busts. Well,

2145
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:05,280
Speaker 2: it turned out that their skilled players were just out

2146
01:44:05,320 --> 01:44:06,559
Speaker 2: of this world, which we knew at the time.

2147
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:08,519
Speaker 1: I can't believe Reggie Bush carried a team. Who would

2148
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 1: have thought Now I regret Saint Clemson because he ruined

2149
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:15,440
Speaker 1: dj U Djung.

2150
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:17,519
Speaker 2: He certainly did well.

2151
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:18,960
Speaker 1: See he's a Florida State. Now we'll see what he

2152
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:21,320
Speaker 1: can do. Is there another one?

2153
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:23,160
Speaker 2: We're probably forgetting one.

2154
01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 1: We're definitely forgetting One's killing me.

2155
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:27,640
Speaker 2: Someone in the chat or some email, somebody'.

2156
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:29,080
Speaker 1: Gonna say it's in Michigan. That's gonna annoy me. It's

2157
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:33,479
Speaker 1: Brady and nobody Michigan. It's not Michigan. I mean Brady

2158
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:36,800
Speaker 1: Brady alone maybe puts them in the conversations, not Ohio State.

2159
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 2: But they've they haven't had a lot of great NFL quarterbacks,

2160
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:43,479
Speaker 2: but droughts like the first, they've had some good prospects

2161
01:44:43,680 --> 01:44:44,080
Speaker 2: that's true.

2162
01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:51,080
Speaker 1: Justini Fields Haskins. Who's the other one? The year they

2163
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:52,800
Speaker 1: had to start like three quarterbacks and still won a

2164
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:55,920
Speaker 1: national type Oh, Cardi Jones, Cardial Jones. Yeah, Kirk curbs

2165
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:59,400
Speaker 1: Street legend, Kirk. You know, I love Kirk kurb Street.

2166
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 2: But Ohio State just on pure talent obviously to Ohio State,

2167
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:04,760
Speaker 2: there's a lot of five stars. They're gonna recruit big

2168
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:08,160
Speaker 2: name guys, but they have a lot of pure talent

2169
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:11,800
Speaker 2: at quarterback. Recently, Yeah, at.

2170
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:13,479
Speaker 1: Random schools that put like Kentucky at a couple of

2171
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:16,439
Speaker 1: NFL quarterbacks back to back. Yeah, that kind of and

2172
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:19,679
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't think North Carolina, North Carolina, North Carolina's

2173
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:21,560
Speaker 1: be putting them out. All right, we need to like

2174
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:23,679
Speaker 1: do some research and maybe do this as a show

2175
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 1: and we'll hit on Yeah, we'll just go through the

2176
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:26,840
Speaker 1: positions that could be fun.

2177
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:31,639
Speaker 2: Adam's gonna email back and we should mention Lsu, Joe Burrow,

2178
01:45:31,960 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 2: Jydeon Daniels. Yeah, they're getting it well.

2179
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 1: Lsu for a long time was considered like not a

2180
01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:40,040
Speaker 1: quarterback spot, like it was considered a red flag for quarterbacks.

2181
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:42,400
Speaker 1: They've they've obviously turned a corner and done much better.

2182
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:44,720
Speaker 2: Adams says, Oklahoma, that's good. Oh that's it.

2183
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 1: Weller Kyler just Lincoln Riley like QPU if we're being honest.

2184
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:52,120
Speaker 2: But Caleb for a little bit, this might be I

2185
01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:54,479
Speaker 2: can I knows his college ball. You guys, you guys

2186
01:45:54,479 --> 01:45:55,200
Speaker 2: would get along. Well.

2187
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:56,880
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, it would be great to

2188
01:45:56,960 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 1: do this before college season kicks off. We'll be in camp,

2189
01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:01,000
Speaker 1: so maybe in a week or we do this, all right,

2190
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:03,000
Speaker 1: A couple of Oregon Herbert bnicks.

2191
01:46:04,439 --> 01:46:07,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, Herbert Herbert at Oregon should have been much better,

2192
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:09,799
Speaker 2: not not because of his doing, because of that offense.

2193
01:46:10,120 --> 01:46:12,599
Speaker 2: I just can't watch that offense, Like it's not even fun.

2194
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:14,760
Speaker 2: The quarterbacks like have talent. How can you not watch

2195
01:46:14,840 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 2: that offense? That's like your whole thing. It is a

2196
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:24,760
Speaker 2: screen that's like your whole It's like on steroids. No,

2197
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 2: it's it's it's air raid. It's air raid.

2198
01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:30,960
Speaker 1: But it's but what air are they rating? Like you said,

2199
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:31,679
Speaker 1: it's all screens.

2200
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:34,320
Speaker 2: God, well that's what you know. Air raid. It gets.

2201
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:36,360
Speaker 1: Like that.

2202
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:37,920
Speaker 2: Everybody thinks air rage is form.

2203
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:40,920
Speaker 1: It's it's it's all about getting too cute. I would

2204
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:41,840
Speaker 1: think you would love that.

2205
01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:47,040
Speaker 2: It's just I get I got frustrated on behalf of

2206
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 2: Justin Herbert because he should have been much better. I mean,

2207
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:52,800
Speaker 2: that's fair. Yeah, but although we're saying he should be

2208
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:54,720
Speaker 2: much better in the pros and he's not how much

2209
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:57,439
Speaker 2: better than the pros either, So who knows? All right? Anyways,

2210
01:46:57,520 --> 01:47:00,840
Speaker 2: a couple more emails here to get to Craig has

2211
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 2: a big question about the kicking game, and that we

2212
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:08,120
Speaker 2: don't have a ton of time left so we can

2213
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:11,519
Speaker 2: make the sweet short and sweet. He asked about, first

2214
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:15,640
Speaker 2: of all, Kyle Dugger on returns. They're not putting Kyle

2215
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:17,640
Speaker 2: Dugger on returns. We've been waiting for Kyle Dugger to

2216
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 2: be on returns since they drafted him in twenty twenty.

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01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:23,680
Speaker 1: He'd be a man of on coverage though, Yeah, I

2218
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:25,760
Speaker 1: don't know if they'll use him there, but yeah, he'd agree.

2219
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:28,240
Speaker 2: I feel like they're they're worried about him his durability.

2220
01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 2: That's fair. So the other thing that he asked about,

2221
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:36,160
Speaker 2: remember we were talking about this, how the players with

2222
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:38,599
Speaker 2: their backs to the returner are going to know when

2223
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 2: the play is live. You mentioned looking at the scoreboard

2224
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:44,920
Speaker 2: potentially he was wondering if maybe they could look at

2225
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:49,000
Speaker 2: the sideline and then have like a sign or that's

2226
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 2: a good one. I don't think that there's rules against that.

2227
01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:54,000
Speaker 1: Well, you don't even have to have a sign. You

2228
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:55,720
Speaker 1: could just have everybody put like as soon as ball hits,

2229
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:58,880
Speaker 1: everybody puts their hand up, right. Yeah, that's a good one.

2230
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:00,759
Speaker 1: All right, we're solving this problem.

2231
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:03,760
Speaker 2: We're solving this problem together, guys. We're doing a good job.

2232
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:08,599
Speaker 2: All right. One the last one here Crossing Sports. Connor

2233
01:48:08,680 --> 01:48:10,800
Speaker 2: emails in Remember we did the list of the most

2234
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:14,280
Speaker 2: dominant Boston sports teams in my lifetime when the Celtics

2235
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:15,840
Speaker 2: were in the middle of their run, and I mentioned

2236
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 2: this is when they clinched the Eastern Conference. Is when

2237
01:48:19,240 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 2: we did the list. I mentioned that if they won

2238
01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:23,720
Speaker 2: a championship that I was going to put them in

2239
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:27,799
Speaker 2: my top five. It was oh seven Patriots, twenty eighteen

2240
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 2: Red Sox, eight Celtics. Yeah, four three toh four Patriots. Right,

2241
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:35,679
Speaker 2: those are the teams and the runs that I called

2242
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 2: most dominant. Yeah, I'm putting them there. I said. I was, No, Well,

2243
01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 2: that does it have to be Mount Rushmore style? Is

2244
01:48:42,120 --> 01:48:42,720
Speaker 2: that what we're doing?

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01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:45,200
Speaker 1: Well? No, you said, you're putting them in your top five.

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01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:49,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gave four. Oh yeah, okay, yeah, I gave four.

2247
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:51,400
Speaker 2: At the time I said I didn't feel comfortable with

2248
01:48:51,479 --> 01:48:53,120
Speaker 2: a fifth team in there. Just didn't seem like a

2249
01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:53,920
Speaker 2: team fIF.

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01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:55,599
Speaker 1: I think my fifth was the fourteen Patriots.

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01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 2: I feel like this now, this team fits in there.

2252
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:04,200
Speaker 2: Eighty one in twenty right, No, they're they're right.

2253
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:05,680
Speaker 1: I think it's eighty one to twenty one, right.

2254
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:07,400
Speaker 2: Eighty one and twenty eighty one and twenty one.

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01:49:07,479 --> 01:49:09,160
Speaker 1: No, eighty one and twenty because they played the hundred

2256
01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:09,759
Speaker 1: one games.

2257
01:49:09,680 --> 01:49:12,920
Speaker 2: Sixteen and three in the playoffs. Just a wagon.

2258
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:16,559
Speaker 1: No, that was in eighteen red sox SO seven Patriots

2259
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:18,400
Speaker 1: low dominance. Yeah, it absolutely was.

2260
01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:24,760
Speaker 2: It's always cool when well, first of all, there was

2261
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:28,160
Speaker 2: a little bit of a lack of suspense to the

2262
01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:32,320
Speaker 2: culmination of all of this that it definitely exists with

2263
01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:36,120
Speaker 2: this Celtics team. Was I jumping up and down like

2264
01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:38,240
Speaker 2: I was when Malcolm Butler picked off the pass and

2265
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:41,439
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl? Obviously not, there were like twenty points

2266
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:44,280
Speaker 2: as the clock was ticking down, but at the same time,

2267
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:47,480
Speaker 2: but this one, I said this on Tuesday, This championship

2268
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:52,599
Speaker 2: felt more like relief than happiness for me because they

2269
01:49:52,720 --> 01:49:55,760
Speaker 2: just they had to win this one like they did

2270
01:49:56,240 --> 01:49:59,560
Speaker 2: the Red Seas parted. The road was golden, like this

2271
01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:02,840
Speaker 2: was year that they absolutely had to cash in and

2272
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:04,880
Speaker 2: they did so. I when they finally did, I was

2273
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:07,400
Speaker 2: just like a thank goodness they did not go down

2274
01:50:07,479 --> 01:50:11,000
Speaker 2: this road. But I know it's a football podcast. Don't

2275
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:12,920
Speaker 2: get mad at us. Do you see what's going on

2276
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:15,920
Speaker 2: with the Stanley Cup Final though? Because the parallels were

2277
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:19,160
Speaker 2: there until Game five and then Florida choked Game five

2278
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:21,879
Speaker 2: at home, and now we're in Game six in Edmonton

2279
01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:24,880
Speaker 2: on Friday night, which is gonna be insane, by the way,

2280
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:27,320
Speaker 2: because that's just I mean, it's Canada. Yeah, Like, it's

2281
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:32,000
Speaker 2: gonna be an absolutely racous environment there. Connor McDavid is

2282
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 2: the best player in the world. He's probably gonna win

2283
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:35,640
Speaker 2: the Consmit, any of the player.

2284
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:38,280
Speaker 1: There's any athlete I think in any sport we're gonna

2285
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:39,799
Speaker 1: comp them homes is Connor McDavid.

2286
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:44,120
Speaker 2: So Connor McDavid. It's happened before that the losing team

2287
01:50:44,320 --> 01:50:46,840
Speaker 2: has won the Consmite like the player from the losing team.

2288
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:49,679
Speaker 2: I remember Jas Jaguar back in the day, and I'm ducks.

2289
01:50:49,720 --> 01:50:52,800
Speaker 2: He did it. I remember that it's happened before. But

2290
01:50:53,240 --> 01:50:57,400
Speaker 2: he's definitely he's gonna win the conspot even though they're

2291
01:50:57,439 --> 01:50:57,800
Speaker 2: gonna lose.

2292
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:01,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, So credit to Matt Dolphin Ty Anderson for this one.

2293
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:05,720
Speaker 1: The Panthers are the biggest, fake tough team, and like,

2294
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, I could see it.

2295
01:51:08,960 --> 01:51:10,000
Speaker 2: You can see the reverse suite.

2296
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:11,880
Speaker 1: I could see the reverse sweep. I could see that

2297
01:51:12,040 --> 01:51:12,760
Speaker 1: that team could lose.

2298
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:14,400
Speaker 2: Fore. I could absolutely see that team lose it.

2299
01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:16,600
Speaker 1: So they're what a three to two now, right? T

2300
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:20,960
Speaker 1: three to two home ice advantage tonight for Edmonton. Yeah,

2301
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:25,479
Speaker 1: there's tomorrow night. There's so much pressure on Florida coming

2302
01:51:25,560 --> 01:51:27,360
Speaker 1: back if it's a game seven. Oh yeah, that's an

2303
01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:31,120
Speaker 1: insane and if you're Edmonton, you're feeling great. I could

2304
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:31,800
Speaker 1: totally see it.

2305
01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:33,560
Speaker 2: It's set up. I don't know.

2306
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:35,760
Speaker 1: It's bold to pick to coming back from down three

2307
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 1: to zero, but like I made fun of people when

2308
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:40,240
Speaker 1: they were saying Dallas could do it, because it wasn't

2309
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:40,680
Speaker 1: set up.

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01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:41,280
Speaker 2: For it whatsoever.

2311
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:44,120
Speaker 1: The Celtics were clearly the better team, they had home

2312
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:47,720
Speaker 1: court advantage. It just all that Edmonton might be a

2313
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:48,320
Speaker 1: better team.

2314
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:50,479
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're a better team, but they

2315
01:51:50,520 --> 01:51:51,160
Speaker 2: have the best player.

2316
01:51:51,720 --> 01:51:54,000
Speaker 1: The gap is certainly closer. If they're not the better team,

2317
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:55,240
Speaker 1: the gap certainly much closer.

2318
01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:58,759
Speaker 2: Florida is a better, deeper team, certainly play a heavier style,

2319
01:51:59,200 --> 01:52:01,640
Speaker 2: but Edmonton has the best player, and they might have

2320
01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 2: the best two players, at least on dry sitles.

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01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:08,880
Speaker 1: Florida does not have the same home building advantage the

2322
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:12,160
Speaker 1: Celtics did. No like it's I could see it. I

2323
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:12,640
Speaker 1: could see it.

2324
01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:18,120
Speaker 2: This is one of my big personal battles that I'm

2325
01:52:18,160 --> 01:52:23,040
Speaker 2: going to fight with. I probably get a lot of

2326
01:52:23,080 --> 01:52:25,760
Speaker 2: people down in South in the Miami area pissed off

2327
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:29,559
Speaker 2: about this. I do not want to hear a word

2328
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:32,920
Speaker 2: about the barn down there in Florida being any sort

2329
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:35,160
Speaker 2: of home mist advantage. I want to hear a word

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Speaker 2: about it. First of all, none of you guys knew

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01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:39,200
Speaker 2: the hockey existed until like three years ago, all right.

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01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:42,800
Speaker 2: Second of all, if you can't melt ice where your

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01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:45,880
Speaker 2: team plays, I can't take your fan base seriously. All right.

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Speaker 2: That's just how I feel. I know that's probably offensive

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01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:50,599
Speaker 2: to some people, but don't come in here and tell

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01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:54,519
Speaker 2: me that the Florida was it Amelia Arena, right, or

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01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:57,639
Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah, don't tell me, Emily, don't tell

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01:52:57,720 --> 01:53:00,880
Speaker 2: me that that place is going to be anything in

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Speaker 2: a Game seven, anything remotely close to what Edmonton is

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01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:07,880
Speaker 2: gonna be tomorrow night. It's not even close. It's not

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Speaker 2: even close. And one of the loudest, you know, I've

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Speaker 2: been lucky enough to be a lot of games. One

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01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 2: of the loudest I've ever heard of stadium was POSTERNOCKX

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01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:20,080
Speaker 2: game winner in Game seven against Toronto. Yeah, that pop

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01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:25,240
Speaker 2: in the crowd. That place was absolutely bananas. And it

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01:53:25,400 --> 01:53:31,960
Speaker 2: was a round one series. Right. Imagine Edmonton, Alberta. Right, Yeah, Edmonton, Alberta,

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01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:37,080
Speaker 2: Canada in Game six of the Stanley Cup Finals. That

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01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:39,280
Speaker 2: place is good. I wish I was going. That place

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01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:42,760
Speaker 2: is gonna be nuts. So that's your hockey minute. We did.

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Speaker 2: We touched all the sports. Want a quick Red Sox

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01:53:45,320 --> 01:53:48,679
Speaker 2: take before we signed off? Sure, quick Red Sox take.

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01:53:50,160 --> 01:53:52,680
Speaker 2: I've I can buy into the Red Sox for the

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01:53:52,720 --> 01:53:55,800
Speaker 2: time being. There's no sports, right, the Celtics are done,

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01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:58,960
Speaker 2: there's no Winter sports. The Patriots are off until July.

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01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:01,840
Speaker 2: In the Red Sox. And I'm asking you because you're

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01:54:01,960 --> 01:54:03,880
Speaker 2: you know, you know, following the baseball better than I do.

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01:54:04,200 --> 01:54:06,160
Speaker 2: Can the Red Sox give me till training camp to

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01:54:06,240 --> 01:54:08,320
Speaker 2: be relevant? Can they give me this? I think so.

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01:54:08,479 --> 01:54:10,240
Speaker 1: I think they're going to. Well, it helps that there's

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01:54:10,280 --> 01:54:12,639
Speaker 1: seven teams now that make playoffs of baseball. There's too many,

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01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:15,479
Speaker 1: but that helps. Right now there game out of the

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01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:18,560
Speaker 1: wild card. Well, they'd be like five out if not

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01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:19,479
Speaker 1: for that seventh spots.

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01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:21,840
Speaker 2: But you play it at no, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: If it doesn't feel like they should be relevant, that's

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01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:25,880
Speaker 1: why they're going to be relevant.

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Speaker 2: All right? That does it here for Patriots Catch twenty two,

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01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:32,240
Speaker 2: one last time. Easy to Drink, Easy to enjoy, bud Light,

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Speaker 2: the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots. I

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01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:36,040
Speaker 2: might have a few bud Lights at the parade tomorrow,

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01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:39,360
Speaker 2: maybe a few high Nuns as well. So we will

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Speaker 2: be back next week and we will continue it rolling

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01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:46,320
Speaker 2: here in the off season and hang on for PU

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01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:48,520
Speaker 2: start that in about five minutes at the top of

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Speaker 2: the hour, but until next week. Signing off for Alex Barth,

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01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:56,200
Speaker 2: I'm Evan Lazarre. See you next time. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: downloading this podcast. Subscribe on Apple, google Play, and everywhere

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