Speaker 1: Previously on Taser Incorporated.
Speaker 2: It was just like this incredible amount of paper, right,
Speaker 2: We've got this research compendium, all of the research compiled
Speaker 2: that we've done, that other people have done, and every
Speaker 2: single one of them says it's completely safe.
Speaker 3: For Taser's Rick Smith sales and profits are skyrocketing, but
Speaker 3: so is another statistic Taser related depths.
Speaker 2: You read the media reports, and they made this weapon
Speaker 2: look like people were out there dying left and right.
Speaker 2: Every time an officer used it. It was basically lethal force.
Speaker 3: Curtis called me back and he goes, you need to
Speaker 3: get here, and I was like, oh my god, you know,
Speaker 3: like what is going on.
Speaker 4: I didn't pay much attention to it until he froze,
Speaker 4: until the look on his face told me that somewhere
Speaker 4: somebody wasn't okay.
Speaker 1: My tour guide during my day at Taser International Headquarters
Speaker 1: was Steve Tuttle. He's the guy who put his eye
Speaker 1: up to a retinal scanner and let me in the building.
Speaker 1: He had parted blonde hair and wore a tight fitting
Speaker 1: silk blue shirt with Taser stitched in black lettering on
Speaker 1: the collar. Steve was nice, but more importantly, he was confident.
Speaker 1: In command. His whole job as vice president of communications
Speaker 1: was basically talking to people like me.
Speaker 5: If we didn't have the science and facts on our side,
Speaker 5: we wouldn't be here having this conversation. Would be we
Speaker 5: have it. That's why I'm still here talking to you.
Speaker 5: The taser becomes an easy target.
Speaker 1: He explained. There was no connection between the taser and
Speaker 1: any of the hundreds of deaths I'd read about. He
Speaker 1: told me excited delirium was really to blame.
Speaker 5: If you see what medical experts are calling excited delirium
Speaker 5: when you start seeing sweating profusely, attraction, broken glass, speaking
Speaker 5: in tongues, stripping down naked, and freezing weather. In some cases, yeah,
Speaker 5: toxicology is clean, and that's They come back and say, yeah,
Speaker 5: but tox was clean. Well, did you know he was
Speaker 5: supposed to be on medicine? Did you check for that?
Speaker 5: What about excited larrium issues. It's a syndrome. It's a
Speaker 5: whole conglomeration of different issues taking place.
Speaker 1: I shook Steve's hand and thanked him for his time.
Speaker 1: I think we both left confused. Steve didn't seem sure
Speaker 1: why I kept pressing him about the taser's safety, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out why Steve didn't have better answers.
Speaker 1: This is absolute. Season one, Taser incorporated a story about
Speaker 1: unchecked power. I'm Nick Beredini, Episode three, Defective Pigs. The
Speaker 1: day Bryce was tasered started out like any other Sunday.
Speaker 1: Matt and Stacy Masters had just sat down to watch
Speaker 1: the Chiefs game when they got the call. A cop
Speaker 1: from Independence, the town right next to Kansas City, shot
Speaker 1: a taser at their seventeen year old son and he
Speaker 1: wasn't breathing. They showed up to the scene as paramedics
Speaker 1: were wheeling him into an ambulance. His eyes were open,
Speaker 1: but blank. Bryce's mom, Stacy was in a panic. How
Speaker 1: the hell did this happen? And that's when she spotted
Speaker 1: Timothy Runnels, one of the Independence officers who had stopped
Speaker 1: Bryce in his car earlier that summer.
Speaker 4: And he's kind of leaned up against his patrol car
Speaker 4: like not a care in that fucking world. I needed
Speaker 4: him to be like, wow, I really took this too far.
Speaker 4: I needed that from him, and instead I see this
Speaker 4: arrogant motherfucker proud of himself, and I wanted, I wanted,
Speaker 4: I don't know what I wanted.
Speaker 2: To do.
Speaker 1: Stacy tried to ride in the ambulance with Bryce, but
Speaker 1: she wasn't allowed to.
Speaker 3: We decided in that moment to just split up. She
Speaker 3: took the truck and followed the ambulance to the hospital,
Speaker 3: and I kind of stayed behind because I was more
Speaker 3: in the mode of, like, if you're gonna fucking cover
Speaker 3: some shit up, I'm gonna sit here and watch you
Speaker 3: cover it up, because I didn't trust that they were
Speaker 3: going to not spin it in a way that was
Speaker 3: beneficial to the police department.
Speaker 1: At the hospital, they wheeled Bryce into the er.
Speaker 4: I get right back there, and it's bad.
Speaker 1: It's really, really, really bad. Bryce was hooked up to
Speaker 1: a ventilator. One nurse cut his clothes off.
Speaker 2: They stuffed ice.
Speaker 1: Packs around his body. His chin was split open, dirt
Speaker 1: and asphalt mixed with the dried blood on his badly
Speaker 1: swollen cheek. His skin was pale, and his lips were
Speaker 1: still blue. Bryce was convulsing and his body had twisted
Speaker 1: itself into a kind of horrifying fetal position.
Speaker 4: Like his arms and his legs were like just doing
Speaker 4: unnatural things.
Speaker 1: His fingers and toes curled inward, and his arms were
Speaker 1: bent toward his chest.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to see him do that. I didn't
Speaker 4: want to I didn't want to see him moving that way.
Speaker 4: It was hard, and I had to look away. I
Speaker 4: remember being ashamed of myself because I wanted I wanted
Speaker 4: to not see his body doing those things.
Speaker 1: A nurse explained that Bryce's position was a sign of
Speaker 1: severe brain damage. He needed an MRI immediately so they
Speaker 1: could know just how bad it was. They brought Stacy
Speaker 1: out to the waiting room.
Speaker 4: Things were going incredibly, incredibly fast, and also they were
Speaker 4: in slow motion, like all at the same time. I
Speaker 4: felt like I was in the twilight zone. And that's
Speaker 4: when I see his shoe. His shoe was on the ground.
Speaker 4: I don't know why I fixated on it, but I did.
Speaker 3: She called Matt and she said, you need to get here.
Speaker 3: That's when I kind of started learning how bad it was.
Speaker 1: The neurologists pulled them into a private room and explained
Speaker 1: that Bryce had had a cardiac arrest. Given the signs
Speaker 1: of brain damage, he was already showing, like the way
Speaker 1: his fingers and toes had curled inward toward his chest.
Speaker 1: They estimated his heart had been stopped between seven and
Speaker 1: eight minutes. That's how long his brain went without oxygen.
Speaker 1: Bryce was seventeen. His body was strong and healthy, so
Speaker 1: if anyone had a shot at a miraculous recovery, it
Speaker 1: would be Bryce. What the doctors would do was lower
Speaker 1: Bryce's body temperature several degrees to slow the blood flow
Speaker 1: that was causing the swelling in his brain. It might
Speaker 1: buy him some time for his brain to heal.
Speaker 4: I really wanted to believe that this cutting edge technology
Speaker 4: was going to make the difference for us.
Speaker 1: They hooked Bryce up to an ivy that ran cold
Speaker 1: fluid through his body and covered him with blankets. His
Speaker 1: target body temperature was going to be ninety two point six,
Speaker 1: about six degrees below normal. He was going to be very, very.
Speaker 4: Cold, which at first it was nice because the convulsing
Speaker 4: like he stopped, but then he just shivered the whole time.
Speaker 2: I was probably log snut.
Speaker 4: They had already said, you know that he may never
Speaker 4: come out of this vegetative state. This is what he
Speaker 4: has to look forward to. So it was awful to
Speaker 4: the sounds. I just remember feeling like, do.
Speaker 2: I want him to live?
Speaker 6: He's trapped in there, what kind of a life? What
Speaker 6: do he kind of a quality of existence. He was
Speaker 6: just playing a video game. It was just went to
Speaker 6: the mall.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm honestly thinking to myself that I didn't
Speaker 4: know if I wanted my child to bake it.
Speaker 3: I remember going into like their little waiting room and
Speaker 3: just crying and like asking God, you know, I remember saying,
Speaker 3: you say some weird shit where you're uh, you know,
Speaker 3: when it matters the most.
Speaker 1: Matt and Stacy went out into the waiting room to
Speaker 1: catch their breath, but the TV was.
Speaker 4: On breaking news right now. We are following from Independence
Speaker 4: the teenagers in critical condition.
Speaker 5: After we've learned police taste, and during a traffic stopper,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: Watching your son's story unfold right there in front of you.
Speaker 2: According to police, Masters wouldn't cooperate and the officer stunned
Speaker 2: him with a taser.
Speaker 3: He didn't comply.
Speaker 2: He resisted arrest.
Speaker 1: What we're told is that police pulled over.
Speaker 6: The driver because of an outstanding warrant.
Speaker 3: When he had a warrant, you know, the traffic stop,
Speaker 3: you know, and that's when all the questions really started.
Speaker 1: For me, a warrant, but Bryce's Grand Prix was registered
Speaker 1: to Matt. Resisting rest did Bryce fight a cop? What
Speaker 1: caused his cardiac arrest?
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, we thought he was on drugs. I
Speaker 3: mean that's what What else do you think?
Speaker 1: Matt had learned about excited delirium and taser training, and
Speaker 1: as a cop, he'd seen lots of overdoses. Matt and
Speaker 1: Stacey caught Bryce smoking weed, but didn't suspect he was
Speaker 1: on any hard drugs. Still, nothing else made sense. Late
Speaker 1: that night, the surgeon, doctor Augustine, came in to check
Speaker 1: on Bryce.
Speaker 3: That was the first thing that came out of our
Speaker 3: mouth was like, what happened? Is he is he high
Speaker 3: on drugs? Not Gustin just kind of he kind of
Speaker 3: just matter of fact. They looked as like, oh, no,
Speaker 3: he's not on drugs. It was a taser. Taser caused this.
Speaker 3: I had no idea that that was even possible.
Speaker 1: The surgeon was so confident. In doctor Augustine's world, this
Speaker 1: was obvious. But in Matt's world, the cop world, the
Speaker 1: opposite was true. Matt was just as sure the taser
Speaker 1: couldn't cause a cardiac arrest as the surgeon was that
Speaker 1: it could. Now these two worlds were colliding, and Matt
Speaker 1: had to figure out which one was real. Matt didn't
Speaker 1: believe the taser could cause a cardiac arrest because he
Speaker 1: thought he understood the weapon. He and other Kansas City
Speaker 1: cops were trained on the taser. They learned how to
Speaker 1: shoot the taser, and they watched a PowerPoint about how
Speaker 1: safe the weapon was. It included those videos of tasers
Speaker 1: being used on bulls and information about excited delirium. I've
Speaker 1: read every page of every training manual Taser International issued
Speaker 1: between two thousand and twenty fifteen, so I've seen firsthand
Speaker 1: what Matt and every other cop in the country was learning.
Speaker 1: And the slide that stands out to me the most
Speaker 1: is one that shows that the taser's electric current is
Speaker 1: weaker than a Christmas tree bulb. One reason taser training
Speaker 1: sessions are so effective is because they're usually led by cops.
Speaker 1: Instructors follow a company script, but it's cops teaching cops.
Speaker 1: Once a cop goes through the training, they can qualify
Speaker 1: to become a master instructor themselves. Remember the work hard,
Speaker 1: Play hard retreats where mike Le and Eco from Oakland
Speaker 1: could get a cigar wrapped or wrestle Hans Morrero. That's
Speaker 1: how Mike became a master instructor. When I went to
Speaker 1: see Mike at his home near the Smoky Mountains, he
Speaker 1: was retired and drinking his French Press coffee from a
Speaker 1: mug that said Leftist tears, and he made us snacks
Speaker 1: and yeah, fresh banana bread.
Speaker 2: I just made it this morning.
Speaker 1: So so this is when Mike casually mentioned his time
Speaker 1: at culinary school before he became a cop. Has anyone
Speaker 1: ever compared you, like like the dose Eki's guy or
Speaker 1: anything like that. As Mike never trained Matt masters, but
Speaker 1: he did train more than a thousand cops just like
Speaker 1: Matt over the years. He told me how important reliability
Speaker 1: is when it comes to any weapon a cop carries,
Speaker 1: and Mike believed in the taser's reliability even during the
Speaker 1: height of the criticism and media reports alleging that taser
Speaker 1: was killing people.
Speaker 2: Because you know, I was seeing officers would come in
Speaker 2: and voice concerns about how, Hey, did you see that
Speaker 2: news article somebody got killed by a taser. Impossible can't happen.
Speaker 2: We've got a compendium of research. It's three feet tall
Speaker 2: in it. No, it can't happen.
Speaker 1: Mike was good at training cops. His confidence was contagious,
Speaker 1: so Taser wanted him to become a Senior Master instructor,
Speaker 1: what CEO Rick Smith called the Creme de la creme.
Speaker 1: Unlike most instructors, senior Master instructors were paid by Taser International.
Speaker 1: Some of them were given other perks like tropical vacations
Speaker 1: or stock options, but Senior Master instructors weren't always transparent
Speaker 1: about their ties to the company. When Mike's rep at Taser,
Speaker 1: Jim Halstead, was still a cop out in Chandler, Arizona,
Speaker 1: he became a Senior Master instructor, and one time he
Speaker 1: gave a whole presentation about tasers to the Chandler City
Speaker 1: Council in uniform. He told them tasers were like a
Speaker 1: weapon from the future, and he urged them to act
Speaker 1: that night to give a Taser to every cop in
Speaker 1: his department. Official were impressed and did approve a purchase
Speaker 1: of three hundred tasers for about two hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: that night. What they didn't know was that Jim was
Speaker 1: given over a thousand shares of the company's stock as
Speaker 1: part of his compensation from Taser. When Mike was approached
Speaker 1: to be a Senior Master instructor. He didn't want the
Speaker 1: job because I didn't like the politics involved. What do
Speaker 1: you mean by the plogist, Well, you know, you were
Speaker 1: their representative. They would send you to some agency somewhere
Speaker 1: and you were kind of the ambassador to go in
Speaker 1: there and talk and get them to buy the product.
Speaker 1: Mike didn't want to lose sight of who he really
Speaker 1: worked for Oakland taxpayers, and even though he was confident
Speaker 1: in his training and the potential of the Taser, Mike
Speaker 1: told me he talked a lot about all these headlines
Speaker 1: that said people were dying. He said he even talked
Speaker 1: about it with Jim Halstead after Jim became Taser's VP
Speaker 1: of sales. Mike would bring up news articles and Jim
Speaker 1: reassured Mike that Taser International was constantly doing cutting edge
Speaker 1: research to back up its claims. One day, as they
Speaker 1: were talking, Mike just asked, could he actually go see
Speaker 1: some of this testing for himself.
Speaker 2: I want to make sure this weapons what they say
Speaker 2: it is. And you know, I'll be the first person
Speaker 2: outside of the company who's ever been able to attend
Speaker 2: one of these things. I said, So, you know, what
Speaker 2: is it hurt?
Speaker 1: Tayser execs said sure, Mike was welcome to come check
Speaker 1: out the company's next test. Soon, Mike got on a
Speaker 1: plane to Arizona. He had no idea what he was
Speaker 1: in for. Mike Lenisio signed an NDA and flew down
Speaker 1: to Arizona to watch his first company funded test. He
Speaker 1: told me he went straight to the test site. It
Speaker 1: wasn't the scene you might expect. Taser International set up
Speaker 1: a lab near their headquarters at a veterinary clinic.
Speaker 2: We spent the whole day out there with pigs and
Speaker 2: in the back of a sweltering hot metal truck in
Speaker 2: the Arizona heat.
Speaker 1: The test took place inside a big trailer parked in
Speaker 1: the parking lot.
Speaker 2: I mean this thing was. It was so hot in there.
Speaker 2: We were literally in the sweatbox and we would have
Speaker 2: to take breaks constantly.
Speaker 1: Mike told me how he watched as Taser scientists took
Speaker 1: the pigs, sedated them, then laid them out on.
Speaker 2: Tables, basically set up like you would go into surgery.
Speaker 1: This sounds wild, but pigs are often used in medical
Speaker 1: research because their bodies are similar to humans. Mike told
Speaker 1: me the pigs were brawled out on tables in the
Speaker 1: back of the truck. Taser scientists hooked them up to
Speaker 1: ventilators to measure their oxygen levels. They stuck electrodes on
Speaker 1: their bodies to get a baseline measure of the pigs
Speaker 1: heartbeats on an EKG machine. You've probably seen an EKG
Speaker 1: and a TV show. It's got those needles that bounce
Speaker 1: back and forth and rhythm with your heartbeat. It's literally
Speaker 1: measuring the electric pulses of your heart and waves drawn
Speaker 1: on the machine's graph. Mike told me he looked around.
Speaker 1: He didn't tell anyone that because he had once been
Speaker 1: a paramedic, he knew how to read the beeping machines
Speaker 1: and numbers on screens.
Speaker 2: They had no idea of my background, and they had
Speaker 2: no idea that when I walked into that study, I
Speaker 2: knew exactly what I was looking at. He says.
Speaker 1: The taser scientists took the darts from the taser and
Speaker 1: inserted them into different parts of the pig's fuzzy chests.
Speaker 1: Then they pressed the taser's trigger.
Speaker 2: I was looking at the monitor and like, oh, I
Speaker 2: want to see what happens.
Speaker 1: Mike describes how they shocked the pigs over and over
Speaker 1: for hours, taking measurements studying the effects and monitoring for safety.
Speaker 2: From the first shot that I witnessed, I watched the
Speaker 2: cardiac monitor go into artifact. That's when Mike says he
Speaker 2: noticed something strange. The electric current from the taser shot
Speaker 2: was interfering with the electric reading on the EKG machine,
Speaker 2: and EKG is sensitive to outside electrical interference. Sometimes led
Speaker 2: lights or cell phones can cause the machine to spike,
Speaker 2: so imagine the reading during a taser shock.
Speaker 1: The needle goes haywire. Taser International's team made absolute statements.
Speaker 1: They said the taser could not cause cardiac arrest.
Speaker 2: They're making this just concrete statement, but there's no way
Speaker 2: they could know that because while the taser's going off,
Speaker 2: you can't read the cardiac Rythough.
Speaker 1: Mike told me that this test wasn't specifically a safety test.
Speaker 1: They were measuring the muscle contractions caused by the taser,
Speaker 1: so Mike figured they probably had a better way of
Speaker 1: measuring heart safety in a different test. At the end
Speaker 1: of a sweltering day inside the trailer, Mike says Max Nierheim,
Speaker 1: one of Taser's top engineers, took him back to the
Speaker 1: airport and.
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, you know, if you guys ever have
Speaker 2: another one of these things, I'd sure like to come,
Speaker 2: you know, and he, oh, yeah, no problem. So I
Speaker 2: just kind of got on their list.
Speaker 1: Mike says, every now and then he would get a
Speaker 1: call inviting him to another test, and it didn't take
Speaker 1: long for things to get really weird.
Speaker 2: One session in particular, we shocked the pig. Well, it
Speaker 2: was actually was a series of two shocks.
Speaker 1: Mike was back in Arizona watching pigs get shocked with tasers.
Speaker 1: He told me it had been a long day and
Speaker 1: he noticed that after so many shocks, this pig was
Speaker 1: in really bad shape.
Speaker 2: At that point, again, we didn't check a pulse, and
Speaker 2: immediately following that, Max said, well, let's shock it again,
Speaker 2: and so we shocked it again, and this time we
Speaker 2: shocked it into a sisterly.
Speaker 1: Mike says, the pig's hearts stopped, it died.
Speaker 2: Pig went straight into flat line and then that was
Speaker 2: basically the end of the test. I mean, we were done.
Speaker 1: So you see this pig go into a sisterly, were
Speaker 1: you surprised?
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, that's not supposed to happen. I mean cardiac effects.
Speaker 2: They told us for years that this doesn't have cardiac effects.
Speaker 2: So my first reaction was I saw it, and I said, well,
Speaker 2: is that a cistily? And I went over and checked
Speaker 2: the pig.
Speaker 1: Mike's first thought was that the probes measuring the pig's
Speaker 1: hearts had simply fallen off, but when he realized they
Speaker 1: were still where they were supposed to be, he told me.
Speaker 1: He turned to the two taser scientists in charge of
Speaker 1: the study.
Speaker 2: I said, that's not supposed to happen, and they just
Speaker 2: kind of chuckled and said, no, no, that happens. We've
Speaker 2: seen that before. And I was like, what do you
Speaker 2: mean you've seen that before? He says, yeah, that happens,
Speaker 2: and I think wow. I said, so, when you publish
Speaker 2: the study associated with this event today, are you going
Speaker 2: to note that the pig was shocked into a sisterly?
Speaker 2: And you know, the response was, well, we don't handle
Speaker 2: that end of it. That's not our job.
Speaker 1: From Mike's perspective, taser scientists were acting like it was
Speaker 1: just another day at the office, but he'd read the research.
Speaker 1: He relied on it to train all of the officers
Speaker 1: in his department. What he had just witnessed directly contradicted
Speaker 1: everything he'd taught cops.
Speaker 2: It turns out. I went back to work the next day.
Speaker 2: I was in my office and I get a phone
Speaker 2: call on my cell and it's Mark Curl, the head.
Speaker 1: Of Taser's Scientific and Medical Advisory Board.
Speaker 2: Hey, how are you doing, Mike? I said, oh, good, good,
Speaker 2: What's what's going on? He says, yeah, I understand you
Speaker 2: saw some things yesterday at the study that we might
Speaker 2: need to talk about. I said, yeah, it was definitely
Speaker 2: eye opening. And he says, yeah, so what kind of
Speaker 2: concerns do you have? I said, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe shocking the pig into a sisterly And he says, yeah, yeah, well,
Speaker 2: you know, there's probably a good explanation for that. And
Speaker 2: he had like five or six explanations right off the
Speaker 2: top of his head, and like he's going down the list.
Speaker 2: He says, yeah, you know, but yeah, it was probably
Speaker 2: a defective pig. That was the first one. And I said,
Speaker 2: a defective pig? I said, what's that? He says, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's well known in research. I mean sometimes you just
Speaker 2: get a pig and they're just wired wrong, and you know,
Speaker 2: you shock them when they die. And I said, yeah, okay, Well,
Speaker 2: we've been shocking this pig for like six hours. If
Speaker 2: he was defective, don't you think he would have gone earlier.
Speaker 2: I remember his response was, well, that's a good yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's a good point, okay. And then he mentioned
Speaker 2: another thing, and then he mentioned I don't know three
Speaker 2: or four or five other things, and I remember he
Speaker 2: gets to the end of his list, and I give
Speaker 2: him my last explanation as to why that's likely, and
Speaker 2: there was a little silence for a couple of seconds,
Speaker 2: and then he says, well, that's all I got. And
Speaker 2: I said that's all you've got, Okay. He says, yeah,
Speaker 2: well I gotta get go on boom, hangs up, And
Speaker 2: that was it that made me dig in deeper.
Speaker 1: Mike says he talked to everyone he could on Taser's
Speaker 1: research team.
Speaker 2: How are you addressing this? They initially said, well, cardiac
Speaker 2: captures on a big deal, and that that really got me.
Speaker 1: Mike knew every cop in the country who carried a
Speaker 1: Taser was trained to think the weapon couldn't do this.
Speaker 2: They believed what they had been told and what I
Speaker 2: had been taught. You know, we're not talking about a
Speaker 2: bunch of electrical engineers here, we're talking about a bunch
Speaker 2: of cops. We're talking about using a weapon that's not
Speaker 2: designed to do this, being used by a person who's
Speaker 2: not trained in any kind of real medicine. Maybe first
Speaker 2: aid if we're lucky out in an uncontrolled setting, and
Speaker 2: you're telling me that cardiac captures, no big deal. And
Speaker 2: that was a real turning point for me.
Speaker 1: Mike says he began to ask questions to Jeff Hoe,
Speaker 1: Taser's medical director, even to Rick Smith.
Speaker 2: Why don't we know about this? Why aren't you reporting it?
Speaker 2: And I just never was able to get a satisfactory
Speaker 2: answer to those kinds of questions.
Speaker 1: You can see why Matt Masters was confused when a
Speaker 1: doctor told him a taser stopped his son's heart. Even
Speaker 1: years later, most cops had never heard a thing about
Speaker 1: pigs dying and tests and new stories about people getting
Speaker 1: killed by tasers. They thought it was just the media
Speaker 1: out to get them. Anyway, Matt hardly had time to
Speaker 1: think about it. His son was lying in a hospital bed,
Speaker 1: unconscious and frozen.
Speaker 2: What's going to happen? Is he going to wake up?
Speaker 2: Next time?
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Speaker 2: I said, what do you mean you fix the problem.
Speaker 2: And these are the exact words. I said, Well, we
Speaker 2: tweaked it. I said, you tweaked what he says, we
Speaker 2: took the weapon and we tweaked it. It's fine now.
Speaker 2: And I said, what is a tweak? What does that mean?
Speaker 2: And you're sitting there going.
Speaker 3: My kid, Hey, my kid got tased and went in
Speaker 3: cardiac arrest. Like, if you need somebody to talk to,
Speaker 3: come talk to this guy, right.
Speaker 4: I mean, you're in the twilight zone. You're like, I'm
Speaker 4: meeting with the FBI.
Speaker 3: That was just a whole nother revelation, Like this is
Speaker 3: way more fucked up than we thought.
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