1 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Well, hey everybody, it's me Rosie O'Donnell. How are you? 2 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: Are you good? It's May already? How the hell is 3 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: it going so fast? I'm trying to tell it to 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: slow down. You know, I can't believe that in June 5 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: I will have been on this beach for one year 6 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: and then I'm going to leave the beach. And it's 7 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: so very difficult to do. I gotta tell you, I 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: just love this house. I just love the being on 9 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: the ocean. It's brought me so much joy. And not 10 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: only did we see that one whale about a week 11 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: and a half ago, we saw another whale three days ago. 12 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: And it's so wild. It looks like a prehistoric dinosaur 13 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: neck coming up, you know. And it's just it's mother's 14 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: mother humpbacks and baby humpbacks, and they swim close to 15 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: shore because the orcas kill them out in the deep ocean. 16 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: This is what I've been finding out in my new 17 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,559 Speaker 1: love of Wales. But yeah, I'm gonna miss this house. 18 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: I really am. And you know, I got great friends 19 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: who live close by, so it's going to be you know, 20 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: it's going to be sad, But I am also so 21 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: grateful and I like when I make a plan and 22 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: I stick to it. You know. The plan was take 23 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: a year, get a chef, get healthy, enjoy the beach 24 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: and your child. And that's what I did. And Dakota, 25 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: you know, had some opinions and decisions. And you know, 26 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: Franny Dresher, my friend, says, why are you letting them 27 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: make a decision for you about if you're gonna stay 28 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: off the beach? You know, like, if you're not a mom, 29 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: you don't get it. You know. I've got this little kid. 30 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: She has autism, and she is very unique and particular, 31 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: and she's articulate about her feelings and wants you to 32 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: know where she's at at all times. And I said, 33 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: I don't understand why you would want to move away 34 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: from this house. And she said, well, Mommy, I'm afraid 35 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: of the tsunami and I would like to have a pool, 36 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: and I would like to have Oh my god, I'm 37 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: seeing another whale right now. I am seeing another whale 38 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: right now. Oh this is too funny. This is too funny. 39 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: Three whales in the last three and a half weeks. 40 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: Oh god, it keeps bobbing up its little prehistoric black 41 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: kind of head area. I don't even know, they almost 42 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: come like vertically up from the ground. This is too wild. Listen. 43 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: As I'm sitting here thinking how great my life is. 44 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: We have a great conversation coming up with my buddy 45 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: Cameron Mannheim, who you all know from all of the 46 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: many shows she's been on and right now she's on 47 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: Law and Order and kicking ass on NBC over there. 48 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: And you know what, I love her so much. I 49 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: love her so much, and it was such a great conversation. 50 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: All I want to say is sit back, relax. Here 51 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: we go, everybody. We got some questions at the end 52 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: of the podcast. But coming up Cameron Mannheim, I Cam, 53 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: I miss you being out here. 54 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: I miss it out there too, But I said I 55 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: was gonna wait to gloat until your earphones were back 56 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: on that It's really beautiful in New York. 57 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: Right now today. Yeah, but Surreion Malibu, so it's cold, 58 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: you're by the ocean, and it is like so stormy 59 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: that I was sitting in my house feeling like there 60 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: were earthquakes likely that's how much it's rocking. I'm telling you, 61 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: the Earth is pissed off. You are not kidding, honey. 62 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: It is crazy the weather everywhere and you know, how 63 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: how long are we going to be able to just 64 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: pretend it's not happening? That's the question, right, It's tragic. 65 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: As long as you know big corporations are paying off 66 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: the Republicans. 67 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're not going there. We could, we could, 68 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: but we won't. We won't. Now, are you enjoying your 69 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: time in New York? You've been there like a year almost? Right? 70 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 2: I know, I'm here eight months out of the year, 71 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: and I love New York. I love it up when 72 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: I'm here. You know, I'm at the theater, I'm at 73 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: the Knicks game, I'm at the Rangers game. 74 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: I saw Billy. 75 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: Joel at the garden, right. I love this town. It 76 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: is so electrifying. I mean, I love my home in 77 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 2: Los Angeles too, but I am truly by coastal right now. 78 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: And isn't that the dream? It really is? It's I'm 79 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: sort of that way too. I mean, I live here, 80 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 2: and Dakota's going to school here, but I have my 81 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: place still in New York, and I go home to 82 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: see the bigger kids. And there's something really wonderful about 83 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: being able to live like that. 84 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: I know. And now that my son has grown up, 85 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: and I feel like I don't have to be in 86 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: one place, you know, keeping a steady home for him, 87 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: because he's all over the world. I can, you know, 88 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: live my second life. This is like a whole new 89 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: chapter for me coming back to New York. I went 90 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: to college here, where'd you go? 91 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 2: I went to NYU, I got my master's agree at NAU, 92 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: and I lived in this very same apartment that I'm 93 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 2: in right now talking to. 94 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: Are you kidding? 95 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 2: You'll see all the construction going on behind me because 96 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: now I'm a grown up and I can afford to 97 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: redo the kitchen and do a few nice things to it. 98 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm renovating it. Have you kept it for 99 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: all these years in New York? I kept it all 100 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: these years. I bought it in nineteen ninety one because 101 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: I'm very smart. You really are. You're good once money. 102 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: You know what you're doing, you know how to decorate. 103 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: You're like my go to person out here, you know, Rosie. 104 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 2: When you're like a big girl like I am, and 105 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 2: you get a dream job like the practice, you think 106 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: this is probably the last job I'm ever getting, because 107 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: you just never believe you're going to get another one. 108 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 2: So I was really smart, and I saved my money 109 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: and I invested it and I did all the right 110 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 2: things because I thought, you know, i'll be teaching in 111 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 2: two years when this show's off the air. So I 112 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 2: just really tried to be smart about it. And then 113 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 2: you know, all I dreams came true and I got 114 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: to continually work. 115 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: So now I'm retibating my college apartment. Wow, that is something, Cam, 116 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: that really is. And I see you on Instagram going 117 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: out to a different Broadway show every night, and I 118 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: read something that you posted that you don't post about 119 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: a theater piece unless you loved it, because you don't 120 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: want to tear down theater. And I did the same 121 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: thing when I had my TV show. You know, when 122 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: I loved it, I was effusive. I couldn't stop talking 123 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: about it. And then they'd say, hey, could you come 124 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: and see the Scarlet Pimpernel. I was like, I saw it. 125 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: They're like, okay, would you talk about it. I'm like, 126 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: I can't, you know, because once, once you say that 127 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: you love something, you didn't all your credit. 128 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: Well that's the truth, you know, Rosie. I just want 129 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: to say you did for theater what Oprah did for books. 130 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: You really got people back into the theater. And I 131 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: was here in New York, you know, doing plays, and 132 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: everyone was so thrilled that you focus so much of 133 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: your show on the magic of Broadway and off Broadway 134 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: and off off Broadway. 135 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: But it's true. 136 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: I write really positive things about the theater, and then 137 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: people start. 138 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: To not believe me. They're like, well, now I don't 139 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: know what to see because you write something nice about everything. 140 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: And I finally posted and said, I really want to 141 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: set the record straight. I see dozens of plays that 142 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: I don't write about, but I'm not going to. 143 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: Write a bad review because something I don't like. Another person, 144 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: you know, thought was the second Coming of Christ, right, 145 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 2: So why would I try to stop someone from going 146 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 2: to the theater. I'm just not going to personally put 147 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: my stamp on it. 148 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's vital, because you know, it is 149 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: just as hard to get a play that isn't wonderful 150 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: up on Broadway. The work that's put in by the 151 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: directors and the lighting design, all the people that work 152 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: on it and the actors that by the time it 153 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: gets up there, it's a major accomplishment period. And Youina Rosie, 154 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: you produced the show with boy George, right, correct, you 155 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: produce that, And I remember they did a documentary and 156 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: the critics they're just hateful. Yeah, you know, not just 157 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: to your show, but to a lot of shows the 158 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: like Wicked will never work, right, you know, what the 159 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: fuck do they know? Right? Right? And somebody said, I 160 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: think it was boy George, or it could have been you. 161 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't remember. You know. The only thing 162 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: I retain is water these days. But somebody said, you know, critics, 163 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: the people, the very people who are supposed to love 164 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: the theater just tear it down. 165 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: Yes, And it really resonated with me when I saw 166 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: that documentary. 167 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: And you know what it takes to put up a 168 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: play is what it takes is backbreaking year of solid 169 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: work and belief when no one else has it. And 170 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: you know, cam one of the most redemptive things that's 171 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: ever happened to me in my life. Stephen Sondheim did 172 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: a big interview before he died a couple of years 173 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: before he died, and he said that Taboo was the 174 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: most underrated musical he'd ever seen in his life. And 175 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: I was crying when I read. I'm crying, just tearing 176 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: you say it. Yeah, it really gave me like all 177 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: of the horror that I felt about its failure was 178 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: kind of erased by the being seen by him, you know, 179 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: you know, had he only been writing reviews, that could 180 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: have gone an entirely different way. Yes, you know, it's 181 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: just one person. And I always say that to my. 182 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 2: Friends who are being you know, critiqued by reviewers. It's 183 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 2: just one person, right, you know, and you can't you 184 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 2: can't give them so much power. But just because you're 185 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 2: talking about Sondheim, I don't know if you know this, 186 00:09:55,440 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: ROUSI but I was the reader when Sondheim was doing 187 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: Merrily We Roll Along at Arena Stage. 188 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: Are you kidding? I was the reader for a whole week. 189 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: They paid me six dollars an hour to come in 190 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: and read with Brunadette Peters, Victor Garber like. 191 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 2: It was a dream come true for me. And at 192 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: the end of the week this is the absolute truth. 193 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 2: Stephen Sondheim turned to the casting directors and said, well. 194 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: He first said to me, Cameron, can you sing? And 195 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: I said, yes, I can sing. And he turned to 196 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: the casting directors and he said, we should call Camera's 197 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: agent and get her in next week to audition for 198 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: this because I'd been reading every part all week, and 199 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: I guess he liked what I was doing. 200 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: Yes, And then I turned to him and I said, 201 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: you know, mister Sondheim, I don't have an agent, but 202 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: if you want to call me, I'll arrange a meeting 203 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: for me to come in next week. Right. And he 204 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: turned to the casting director, hand to the god. I 205 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: don't believe him. He said, can we get Cameron an 206 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: agent and then call that agent next week and get 207 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: her in here for an audition? And I would say 208 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: five days later, I had my first agent because of 209 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: Stephen Stodheim. That is unreal. Cameron. You have magical Hollywood stories. 210 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: When I got to know you and got to sit 211 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: with you playing poker during the pandemic, every night I 212 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: heard these tales and I couldn't believe it. The story 213 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: about the practice, about the game that you saw. What's 214 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: it called cribbage or something cribbage? Cribbage? Yeah, I don't 215 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: even know the name of it. Nevermind tell everyone that story. 216 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: This is how you got to be on the practice. Yeah. 217 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: I was, like, I said, I graduated from MYU in 218 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: the master's program, so I've been seven years of college. 219 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 1: I get out of school. I'm a heavy set girl. 220 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: Nobody knows what to do with me. Every agent I 221 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: meet says, he remind me of the Kathy Baits. You're 222 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: gonna work in about ten years when I grow into 223 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: your maturity, And I'm like, wait a minute, I mean 224 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: that is a huge honor. They should say that about 225 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: Kathy Bates, right, but she's a foot shorter, ten years older, 226 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: you know, Southern Next, what about us are the same 227 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: except that I'm a big girl, you know, That's all 228 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: they could peg me in. So I wasn't getting I 229 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: didn't have an agent out of school. I wasn't getting 230 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: a lot of jobs. So somebody said, you know, write 231 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: what you know, write what you're an expert at. So 232 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: I wrote a one woman show called wake Up. I'm 233 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: Fat about growing up in America, being fat, having parents 234 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: who were you know, it was really hard for them 235 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: because they wanted me to thrive and knew that this 236 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: town didn't know what to do with me. So I 237 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: wrote a one woman show and it happened to hit 238 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: a nerve, you know, because no one had been writing 239 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 1: about that, right. And I happened to have gone to 240 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: school with Marsha Gay Harden, who's a dear friend of mine. Now, 241 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: she introduced me to my son's father. I'm her children's 242 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: god parent. You know, we're like sisters, sisters, we're like sisters. 243 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: And she's like, who's coming to your opening night? I'm like, 244 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, Marsha, just my friends. She goes, no, 245 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: you'll have to have people at your opening night. I'm like, 246 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: I don't have people. I don't even have it. What 247 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: are you talking about? She goes, I'm going to get 248 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: you some people. So and she did. She brought her manager, 249 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: she brought a casting director. He brought Jody Foster. Like, 250 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 1: there were people at my opening night. I feel really 251 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: felt like a star, you know. Right. 252 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: Anyway, after the show was over, the casting director says 253 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: to me, how come I don't know who you are? 254 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, isn't that your problem? Like that's 255 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: your job. Haven't you heard? Haven't you heard? Anyway, he 256 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: asked me for a tape. I gave him the only 257 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: tape I had. He brought it back. He goes, my 258 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 1: boss is looking for a street wise and sassy, gum 259 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: smacking lawyer. And I'm like, I'm street wise. I'm I'm 260 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: gum smacking, and he brings my one tape back. I 261 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: had done one show in my life. It was on 262 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 1: Law and Order, which we'll come back to. I'm sure. 263 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: I played a lawyer who knew sign language and I 264 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: had a deaf client and because I know sign language, 265 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 1: another crazy story, they asked me to do this role. 266 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: So I give him this date. He brings it. 267 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: Back to his boss. His boss says, she's not for me. 268 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 2: It's not what I'm looking for. She's too she's too 269 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 2: buttoned up. I don't like it. 270 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: And the casting director fought for me and he said 271 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: she's butting up because the wardrobe person put her in 272 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: that outfit. She's wearing pearls because of that. This girl 273 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: is street wise and sassy. You're gonna have to trust me. 274 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: And so his boss is like, okay, I'll meet her. 275 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: And so Marsha's manager says to me, Cameron, David Kelly 276 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: wants to meet you. You're gonna have to fly out 277 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: to New York. And I'm like, oh my god, I've 278 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: heard these stories. When they fly you out she shit 279 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: the chocolate chip cookies in first class exactly, and she's like, well, 280 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: it's not really like that he wasn't really planning to 281 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: meet you, but the casting director kind of forced his hand. 282 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 2: So if you want to find your way out to 283 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: La and need him, he's happy to meet you. I'm like, 284 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 2: that doesn't sound like he's happy to meet me right 285 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: at all? 286 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: Like that doesn't sound inviting at all. I'm gonna pay 287 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: four one hundred dollars we have trip, you know, to 288 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: go visit this guy who hates me already. And she's like, 289 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: if I were you, I would do it. You don't 290 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: get these opportunities. So I'm like, all right, I flew out. 291 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: I get in the room with this guy, David Kelly. 292 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: I don't know anything about him. I heard he wrote 293 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: like on La Law in Chicago Hall, but that's it. 294 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: There was no Go, no Google, there's no Google, and 295 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: so I, uh, I'm in the room and it was 296 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 1: the probably worst four minutes of my life. I could 297 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: see the four hundred dollars going down the drain, and 298 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: he was he was He's very dry, but I it 299 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: was scary. He was like, so, uh, you're an actor 300 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, that's why I just met my 301 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: wife's evings that flew across the contint to meet, and 302 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: he wasn't helping because he didn't want. 303 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 2: Me to win, you know, he didn't want me to 304 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 2: He wasn't into me. So it was over four minutes. 305 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 2: I was walking out the door and I noticed next 306 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: to his couch he had a cribbage board. And I'm 307 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: a big game player, as you know, right, I do 308 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: know code names, whatever it is. 309 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: I love a game, and cribbage is a game that 310 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: I have known and loved my whole life. So I 311 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: just kind of stop. I thought to myself, this guy 312 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: is married to Michelle Pfeiffer. When does he play cribbage? 313 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 1: So I just said, uh, do you play cribbage? David Kelly? 314 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: And he looked at me. It was the first time 315 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: he showed any like signs of life, and he looked 316 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: at me. He said, yeah, I do, But I don't 317 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: think you want to go there with me. And he said, really, David, 318 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: because I feel like I could have this conversation with 319 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: you and try to impress you like I'm obviously doing 320 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: unsuccessfully now, and I could beat the shit out of 321 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: you at cribbage at the same time. And he said, no, 322 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: I don't think you understand. I play the computer and 323 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: I said, eh, I don't think you understand I play 324 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: for money, so why don't we just screw this audition 325 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: right now and I'll play you for the part. And 326 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: it was crazy. 327 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: Because now he's like up on his seat and he's 328 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: forward facing and he'said, ah, I just want to tell you. 329 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to freak you out or anything, 330 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: but I skunk to my mother last week and I said, wow, David, 331 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: you know what what I'm sensing. I sense your fear, 332 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: So what's the problem. Let's play for the part. If 333 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: I lose, you'll never see me again. And if I win, 334 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: I walk out with the script and he's like ah. 335 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: He was like heaming and haueing. It was so beautiful 336 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: to see him off balance. Yes, And he's like, look, 337 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: I can't play you for the part because I haven't 338 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: written the script yet, but I'll make you this deal. 339 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: If you leave my office right this minute, you'll be 340 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: the first one to get it when it's finished. Wow. 341 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 2: And I was like, you got a deal, buddy, And 342 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 2: I walked out and the casting director followed me. 343 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: He goes, what just happened? And I go, uh, your boss, nikes, 344 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: he can beat me in cribbage and he's wrong, right anyway, 345 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: the beauty of that story is I mean, it's if 346 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: you really want to know the whole thing, you gotta 347 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: And I wasn't even planning to. I don't even know 348 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 1: if you can get my book. I don't even know 349 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: if it's some plopless daywork, right, but the whole story 350 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: is there. It's really quite beautiful what happened over the years. 351 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 2: I did get the script when it was written, and 352 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 2: it felt like the description had changed for me, if 353 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 2: you know. Instead it was like this big ballsy woman 354 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 2: walks in and takes over the room, and like three 355 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 2: weeks later I had this role wow, and cut to 356 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 2: I turned sixty last year, and my son and my 357 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: mother for my birthday, organized something really groovy. I went 358 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: to my office, I turned on my computer and David 359 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: came up on my zoom screen. 360 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: And said, I want to challenge you to a rematch. 361 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: And on my sixtieth birthday, David Kelly and I replayed 362 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: Cribbage and who won that one? The last time. I'm 363 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: going to seal the verdict because I'm a lady more 364 00:18:42,160 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: with Cameron Manheim. After this, you are, I have to say, 365 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: Camm one of the best game players you and that 366 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: kathen A jimmy friend of ours. She is a pretty 367 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: damn try she does. She's not enthusiastic, but she's a 368 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: great player. It's like she's kissed by the game. God, 369 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: I don't understand. She doesn't even care and she wins. 370 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: It makes me so mad. Yeah, yeah, she's good. She 371 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: beat me on Pyramid a couple times. She's so good 372 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: at it. She's really amazing. Now do you remember the 373 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: first time you did fly first class? Because when you 374 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: said that about the cookies, it reminded me of the 375 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: first time I did. And uh, it was so trippy. 376 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: Do you remember what yours was? Well? It was. It 377 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: was very interesting because I was auditioning for a Disney show, 378 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: Pictionary for Kids, and I was going to be the host. 379 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: And I get on the flight coming back and I'm 380 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: in first class and who do I see? First? Peter 381 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: Frampton is so in first class and I'm like, I 382 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: will my god, that's Peter Frampton. Like I couldn't even 383 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 1: you know, I'm like twenty one years old at this point, 384 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: maybe you know. And so then in walks Christopher Reeve 385 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: stop it, and he's in the first row of first class, 386 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: but on the other side of where I'm sitting, and 387 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: I'm like, Christopher Reeve and Peter Frampton are on my flight, 388 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: and I had never ever seen a celebrity like that 389 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: up close. So then get this. Someone is escorted to 390 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: the scene in my row but across the aisle from me, 391 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: so I could have reached out my arm and tapped 392 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: her shoulder. All flight, Meryl Streep, stop it, Meryl Streep, 393 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: Why did you so thrown? You pose yourself? Now? I 394 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: was so thrown that I did whatever she did. The 395 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: flight attendant came by and said, do you want champagne? 396 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: She said no, I said no. They asked her what 397 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: she wanted. She had the veggie platter, which, trust me, 398 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: I've never ever had a veggie platter. I ordered the 399 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: veggie platter. I did whatever she did, and then the 400 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: script that I had, which was for a game show. 401 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: But the script I was looking thinking that she was 402 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: going to like look over and go, do you need 403 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: help reading with that? Sweetheart? But she didn't say anything. 404 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: And I've since told her the story and it's it's 405 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: pretty funny. But I remember being on that flight, and 406 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: I remember feeling so upset that I didn't get the 407 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: ice cream Sunday because Meryl Streep didn't. Oh my god, Rosie, 408 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: my heart is so full listening to those. I have 409 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: two things to say about that. 410 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,959 Speaker 2: When I am on a first class flight now and 411 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: big stars come on, I think to myself, Man, if 412 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: this plane goes down, I'm not going to make the 413 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: headline exactly. 414 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: I think we all do that, honey. 415 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 2: And by the way, I just saw, I don't mean 416 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 2: to drop this name. Hold on, well, I'm gonna bend 417 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 2: over and pick it up. Ahead, get it go, get 418 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 2: I just saw Meryl Streep. We did a reading here 419 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 2: in New York for a wonderful, celebrated playwright called John 420 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: Guer and I reminded her of a story between her 421 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: and I that happened many years Guys had a big 422 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 2: Hollywood party and. 423 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: I had occasion to speak to MARYL. Street, who had 424 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: never spoken to and we're talking. I don't I just 425 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: it was amazing, And all of a sudden, her lips 426 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: are moving, and I say to her, Meryl, I can't 427 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: concentrate on anything you're saying because Mick Jagger is standing 428 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: right behind you. She's like to my left or to 429 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: my right, and all of a sudden we were just 430 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: the same person and ride with Mick Jagger and this 431 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: is such a sweet moment. I reminded her of that 432 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and that was fun for me. 433 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: I will say, this is a fun story. I'm free 434 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: to flying and I didn't know that I don't like 435 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 1: to fly. Wow. 436 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 2: And I had to finally go to a hypnotherapist because 437 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 2: I was turning down jobs like whoopee, always was turning 438 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 2: down stuff, you know, I didn't like to fly. So 439 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 2: I went to a hypnotist and I had like five 440 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: sessions and then I accepted. 441 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: This job in Vancouver. And so I'm on the flight. 442 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: I'm sitting next to a gentleman who looks, you know, 443 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: like a nice diuye and good looking, and I'm feeling 444 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: pretty good and I'm like, man, that hypnotherapy worked. And 445 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: I'm sitting next to the sky going I just feel 446 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: comfortable next to him somehow. And then we fly. We 447 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: land in Vancouver and everyone that's when all the celebrities 448 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: talk to each other. They don't talk to each other 449 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: within the flight, but when everyone's getting up, they're like, hey, 450 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: and I saw that, and I really loved your works. 451 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: And somebody said to my seat mate, oh, Richard, you're 452 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: doing such great work on mcgiver, and I'm like, oh 453 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: my god. That's why I was still comfortable. I was 454 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: sitting next to mcguy, for he could have landed the 455 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: plane for me exactly with a paper clip and a 456 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: rubber band. He could have landed it safely. So that 457 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: was my best flight. 458 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: And I just want to call up you know him, Richard, 459 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 2: and just say could we just fly together all the time? 460 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: But I'm much better at it now. Did it really help? 461 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: The hypnotism? I think it really did help. 462 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: And I think that you know, when you have a 463 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 2: kid and you're a single mom, it's like, if I 464 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 2: something happens to me, who's going to love my kid 465 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 2: as much as I love him? 466 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: Totally? Can't I mean totally get what you mean and 467 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: like to fly for that reason. 468 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: But no, now he's his own person and he can 469 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 2: you know, navigate life. 470 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: Now, your son I adore, as do all of your 471 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: friends who know him. He is the kindest, most affable, 472 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: most genuinely big hearted man child, and he's so talented 473 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: as an actor. Thank you, Rosie. I mean did you, Cam, 474 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: did you think that you were raising an actor? Did 475 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: this ever enter your mind? Like, was was he a 476 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: little boy who was into this or did it come 477 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: when he was a teenager. No, he fell in love 478 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: with community theater when he was about seven or eight. 479 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: I mean, he's done thirty musicals in his little life. 480 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: Did I think he'd go on to become, you know, 481 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 1: a well known actor at the age of fifteen. No, 482 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: I thought he would love acting, love musicals, love dancing, 483 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: go on to college, decide if he wanted to direct 484 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: or write or whatever I've told you going to be 485 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: in this world. He seemed to kind of move in 486 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: and out of it very fluidly. And he loved all 487 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: my friends. 488 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: He loves adults, and you know, I have game nights 489 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 2: all the time, and. 490 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: And he just I don't know, he seemed to love it. 491 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: But he was discovered in high school in a musical 492 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: and a casting director came to see a musical that 493 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: his high school was doing and she was like, who's 494 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: that kid, And she like, that's Milo Manheim's any relation 495 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: to Cameron? And she kept him on file for about 496 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: a year, and then a year later she hunted him 497 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: down through my agent and said I'd like to see 498 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: the Smilo Manheim for a show, and then it's just 499 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: was born. It was kind of a runaway train. There 500 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: was no stopping it, you know. Once he was playing 501 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: Billy Flynn in Chicago and Roger and Rent and you know, 502 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: Tevia and Fiddler, every role that train. Yes, and he's 503 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: so handsome too. He's such a good looking, tall, gorgeous 504 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: young man and a harticle. You know, we were talking 505 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: one night and you were there, of course, and a 506 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: bunch of our friends. I think it was at Robin's, 507 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: I don't remember, but he said to me how he 508 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: used to fall asleep listening to you and all your 509 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: friends play games, and how it comforted him and made 510 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: him it made it easier for him to fall asleep. 511 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: What a beautiful kind of testament to his childhood and 512 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: how you raised him, and how he was included in 513 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: everything and a part of everything. You know, he wasn't 514 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: sent to his room while your friends were there. He 515 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: was part of the whole thing, you know. Yeah, thank you, Rosie. 516 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: He loves games, he loves poker. 517 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 2: He will you know, he comes on our code names 518 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 2: and he doesn't mind that, you know, none of us. 519 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: Are his age. He loves the whole strat you know, 520 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: he's an escape room master. Wow, he travels the world 521 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: to do escape room. He's on his way to Greece 522 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: to do a twenty four hour escape room. When you 523 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: sleep there, when I can tell, it's crazy. So that's 524 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: the mathematical side of my family handed down to him. 525 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: That he loves strategy and figuring out puzzles and clues. 526 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: And then my competitive side that you know, I'm not 527 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 1: competitive where I'm mean, I'm just competitive for you know, 528 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: the honor of it. You know, of course I don't 529 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: care for playing for a nickel ride for five hundred dollars. 530 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: I'm playing for pride and which is and for fun. 531 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: You have so much fun doing it. But you come 532 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: from a family of braining acts, don't you. 533 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, my family are. They're kind of like intellectual Jews. 534 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 2: My father was a professor of mathematics, my mother was 535 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 2: a teacher. My brother went to Harvard Law school. You know, 536 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 2: my sister is brilliant. Her sons or doctors and you know, biologists. 537 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 2: It's insane, how you know, from the top down kind 538 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 2: of education and college was really important. So Milo being 539 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 2: the only person in the lineage right now who hasn't 540 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: you know, filled out a four year college degree. 541 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: Was hard on my ninety seven year old mother. I'm 542 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: sure it was. I'm sure it was. She was like, 543 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: are you sure he's not going to go back. I'm like, 544 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: you know, like, mom, he's doing okay. Yeah, he's starring 545 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: in college. Every Disney show there is, He's the star 546 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: of it. I hell, I know. And it's like types 547 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: of change, Rosie. You don't have to go to college 548 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: to do well anymore. It's so true. 549 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 2: It used to be this staple you had to achieve 550 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: in order to get somewhere else. But now the world 551 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: has really opened their minds about how brilliant young people are. 552 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 2: And you know, there are things you miss by not 553 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 2: going to college, you know, socialization, how to make dinners and. 554 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: Clean up at the hard way. When Google hires you 555 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: at eighteen, yes, yes, for sure. Now you told your 556 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: friends that you were going to have a baby by 557 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: yourself if you weren't with anyone by the time you 558 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: hit forty, and then you hit forty and said it's 559 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: a now or never? Is that kind of how it happened? Well, 560 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: because you know, I'm a planner. I'm like, I'm thirty eight, 561 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: and there's no way I'm going to fall in love 562 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: with someone and agree to have a baby with them 563 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: by the time I'm forty. So I'm gonna start working 564 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: on that right now. Wow, good fan. You know. I 565 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: thought about it really long and hard, and I decided 566 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: to instead of trying to enter into a relationship that 567 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 1: I didn't know if I wanted to navigate with that 568 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: person for the lifetime of a child, I decided to 569 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: ask a friend. So I at first focused on like 570 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,239 Speaker 1: my Jewish intellectual friends, and I thought, maybe that's what 571 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: I should do because that's so much like my family. 572 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: And then I'm like, we got enough of that in 573 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: my family. Let me go and ask an elegant, model, musical, 574 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, artistic person. So I asked it old dear 575 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: friend who Marsha get hard and introduce me to circling back. 576 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: She's always a mind. I know she's she plays heavily 577 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: in my life magic force. 578 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 2: And we had a really long talk about it, and 579 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 2: that's you know, I've always been an independent woman. 580 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: I believe that there's all kinds of different families. 581 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 2: You do too, and I know that all that matters 582 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 2: is love, and so I decided to go that route. 583 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: And I didn't tell the story early on because I 584 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 2: thought it was really Milo's story to tell and he 585 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 2: could tell it how he saw fit. But he is 586 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 2: now very proud and about his father and how he 587 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 2: was raised, So now I feel like I could talk 588 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 2: about it. 589 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: But Milo got the best of both of us. 590 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 2: You know, he got his father's beautiful physique, he's got 591 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: my perfect nose, he's got you know, and both of 592 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 2: us are very affable and friendly, and so he really 593 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 2: he did. 594 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: He did good. Milah got Milo got some good genes. 595 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: And was there any complications with them raising him with 596 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: the father? There was none like, oh I want him 597 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: on this now, I want custod Nothing of like that. 598 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely zero. We had an incredible understanding. You know, we 599 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: had legal documents too that were never called upon. You know, you. 600 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 2: Always say, hey, we're going to do this, you know, mutually, 601 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: what's good for both of us. But then you know, 602 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 2: you he probably worried and thought, well, what if it's 603 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 2: not mutual, And so we did. We had, you know, 604 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: legal documents drawn up to protect him, which I completely understood, 605 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 2: and that is fair. But we never had to resort 606 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: to that because we travel together. We've been to Europe 607 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 2: and Canada. We've been, we've ski we do tons of 608 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: things together while Milo was growing up. And actually Milo 609 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 2: and his dad just went to Hawaii for a week. 610 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: So it's been it's been wonderful, and I've tried to 611 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: guide other friends down this path, you know as well, 612 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: because there's nothing wrong with getting sperm donors up of 613 00:31:59,520 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: a buff firm. 614 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 2: Me I just think I wanted to know the full history, 615 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 2: you know, And that went to littleness since that was 616 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 2: for me. 617 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: All Kelly and I did the same thing. One of 618 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: her friends was the donor, and I could not do 619 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: the anonymous either because I thought, like every time I'd 620 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: walk down the street and look at someone, I go, 621 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: is that it is that the you know? I wanted 622 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: to know, and I thought it would be important for 623 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: the baby to know, you know, when when looking for 624 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: their identity or their birth parents. And Vivi has UH 625 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: when she turned eighteen, so for two years she's been 626 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,719 Speaker 1: in contact with him and he has a wonderful wife 627 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: and a son, and they came over to the house 628 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: here and and it was just a beautiful thing, you know, 629 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: I haven't seen this guy in twenty years and he 630 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: walks in still gorgeous, and you know, I was like, 631 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: I don't know how to thank you for the greatest 632 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: thing that I've ever been gifted, you know, thank you. 633 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: And he's so proud of her, and they have a 634 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: beautiful thing. You know, they're building a relationship now. That's wonderful. Yeah, 635 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: I never eat Father's Day. I think Milo was. I 636 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: came to it with love and the right perspective, you know, 637 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: and I think he knew that. So we never had 638 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: any conflict. I didn't try to steal him. 639 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 2: For time, and he didn't try to steal him for time, 640 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: and it was really it was perfect. And Milo is 641 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 2: you know, a great representative of that because he knows that, 642 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 2: you know, it was all positive and good. 643 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, the intent was right from the get go. The 644 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: intent matters, you know, and everything. 645 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 2: You so by the way, you know, you said to me, 646 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 2: I wanted to have a baby by the time I 647 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 2: was forty. Milo was actually due eleven days after I 648 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 2: was born, but I induced him and I had him 649 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 2: two days before I turned forty. 650 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: So I had that guy. I did a kid before 651 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: I turned forty. Yes, you did, honey, Yes do, but 652 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: I induced. 653 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 3: It because he was nine point six pounds. Oh my gosh, 654 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 3: Oh he baked and ready to come out. Yeah, he 655 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 3: was done, and boy did he grow up good. He's 656 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 3: a fine looking young and I really love him, Cammy, He's. 657 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: A Grammy's a lot to me, Rosie. Now, I also 658 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: am a little jealous of you having a vibrant participatory, 659 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,479 Speaker 1: a live, eccentric mother who is ninety seven years old. 660 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 1: I like, I can't fathom it, you know, I look 661 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 1: at it and I go, she's a grown up with 662 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: kids who are grown up, and she has the mother 663 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: still living. I mean, what do you think about that? 664 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: Does it go through your head? Like? How did how 665 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: did we get this? It is a gift from the 666 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: universe to have my fully capable and remarkable mother at 667 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: ninety seven years old. My mother goes to Senior University 668 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: four days a week. She goes and takes classes on 669 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: you know, existentialism, current events, Shakespeare. 670 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 2: It is crazy. She is truly a remarkable woman. She 671 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 2: marched with Martin Luther King, she fought for women's right 672 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 2: to choose. She has been a steadfast, you know, fighter 673 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 2: of freedom, and she is really the incredible matriarch of 674 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 2: our family. She is great grandkids, She's something else. It 675 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,760 Speaker 2: is not lost on me. I call her every day, Yeah, 676 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 2: every day. I sometimes hear the same stories. That's okay, 677 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 2: but that's by you. 678 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: I'll take you. Yeah. And how do you think she 679 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: stays so? I mean she's obviously curious. She keeps her 680 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: intellectual uh you know, stimulation on high. I mean, how 681 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: do you explain to be that healthy at that age 682 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: and still going strong jeans? You think it's just jeans 683 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: or I think some of it is jeans, And I 684 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: think she has led. She's trim. She has never taken medication. 685 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, mom, just take a mo trin. She's like, 686 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: I don't need it. She is. She's just one of that. 687 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,919 Speaker 1: But women never complains and never shows her pain. And 688 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 1: she's so stalwart. You know, she's so stolid. But I 689 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: don't know's. She's got stuff to do, and we keep 690 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: giving her things to look forward to. You know, there's 691 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: a wedding next year, there's an opening, there's babies being porn. 692 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: We just keep giving her and she focuses all her 693 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: attention on those great upcoming events. So she makes new friends. 694 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: It's just she loves people, so she's out and about. 695 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: She takes watch My mother is legally blind and walks 696 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: a couple of miles a day with her cane by herself. 697 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: I don't need a babysitter. Oh, that's what she says. 698 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: That it's wild. 699 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 2: We never know what to expect when a phone call 700 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 2: comes about your mother wandered into our house and had 701 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 2: some of our coffee cake. 702 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 1: Like that would be my mother, right right, But if 703 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: you sit next to her on a plane, Rosie, it 704 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: would go like this, do you watch TV? My daughter's 705 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: on television? And then before you know it, that's the 706 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: whole conversation, right, yes, well, how proud she must be, 707 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: come on, especially when she worried whether you would work 708 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: because you were heavy. You know, yeah, she did not 709 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: think I would more with Cameron Mannheim after this, you 710 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: and I have talked about this about, you know, struggling 711 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: with our weight and that sometimes wardrobe people can be 712 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: really cruel, like, you know, they can say, well, I 713 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: don't have anything in your size. Can you bring your 714 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: own clothes? That happens to me all the time. And 715 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: still yeah, and you've lost and you you've lost some weight, 716 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: you know, I keep trying, you know. I just had 717 00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: knee surgery and it's been it was really hard on me, 718 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I have to participate in not being 719 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: in so much pain, you know, And my mother is 720 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: such a good role model about that. So I've worked 721 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 1: really hard at it, most recently, just to get out 722 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: of pain. Pain is really has been the roughest part 723 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,919 Speaker 1: about being in New York. New York will kill you. Yeah, 724 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: you gotta moved so much of you totally. Yeah. You 725 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: get in a cab and you sit so people walk 726 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: thirty blocks forty blocks to their destination without a blink. 727 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 2: I ride a city bike almost every day, and I 728 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 2: think that has a lot to do with it. I'm 729 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 2: on those bikes constantly. A. I don't want to pay 730 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 2: for ubers. They're so ridiculously expensive. 731 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: And even though I can afford it, it's the point, right, 732 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: And so yeah I will. I will get on a 733 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: city bike and ride up to you know, I look 734 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: in the East Village. I'll ride up to the Central Park, right, 735 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 1: just so I don't have to pay thirty five dollars 736 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: for exactly I get you, honey, I totally get you. 737 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: Now you're in New York because of Law and Order 738 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: and that was your first job and now you got 739 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: it again. It's a dream come true, that's for sure. 740 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,279 Speaker 1: How did that come about? Was it just like we 741 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,919 Speaker 1: want her back, get her back? How did that go down? 742 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what the back room talks were, 743 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: you know it. I was just minded my own business. 744 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: I had no idea this show was even being brought back, right, 745 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: it had been you know, Lawn Order was on the 746 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: air for twenty years and then it went off the 747 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: air for ten years. And from that original Lawn Order 748 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: also spun new lawn Orders Lawn Order SBU, Law and 749 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: Order Organized Crime, which we're on now. It's very confusing 750 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: to people who aren't Law and Order fans, right, but 751 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: if you're a Lawn Order fan, you know exactly what 752 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. So I just thought the original mothership 753 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: was over. Yeah, and then I got a call. That's 754 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: the beauty of it, Rosie. I know, you never know 755 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. They called and they wanted you imagine that, right, 756 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: I didn't have to be like I heard their rebooting 757 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: Lawn Order. Can you see if I can get in? 758 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: What were they casting like? I have to do that. 759 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 2: I get a call and I really think it was 760 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 2: Dick Wolf. He was like, we need a formidable. 761 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 1: Female lieutenant who wal't take crap from the two detectives, 762 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, at the time it was Anthony Anderson and 763 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Donovan. And I need someone who can stand up, 764 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,760 Speaker 1: you know, stand up and boss those those dudes around. 765 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm street wise and sassy as the 766 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 1: boss dudes around. Still street wise and sassy from the beginning, right, 767 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: And so I got the offer, and it was a 768 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: hard It was hard at the time to make a 769 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: decision to move across the country, you know, you just 770 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: moved the other way exactly. I would really loved it 771 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: if you were still here. And I hadn't lived in 772 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: this apartment for twenty five years, right, I was renting 773 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 1: it for twenty five years. And I'm like, I'm gonna go. 774 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 2: Back, like I'm like a college student, back to my apartment, 775 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 2: back to you know, working in New York. 776 00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 1: And it took me. 777 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 2: It took me a second to like really understand that 778 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 2: this is a whole other chapter for me. I get 779 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 2: to go back and fall in love with New York 780 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 2: and revisit all of those friendships that. 781 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 1: You know when you're across the country, you don't get 782 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: some harter, yes, see as much harter right. And I 783 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: got here. 784 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 2: I did a remodel on my apartment, and I started 785 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 2: having game nights right away. In fact, I made Kathen 786 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 2: to Jimmy have two game nights for me because my 787 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 2: apartment was being remodeled. 788 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, I have to have a game night. 789 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 2: I invited my friends, I got food, like you have 790 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 2: to host it. And now I had a Super Bowl party. 791 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: I've already had two game nights in the past ten days, 792 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: like I can't. 793 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 2: That is my happiest place on the planet right and 794 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 2: in my retirement, I would like to have a bed 795 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 2: and breakfast and we do games at night after you 796 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 2: go out for your day trifts and you come back 797 00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,799 Speaker 2: and we have some good food and a good game. 798 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 2: One night we'll be code names. One night we'll be poker. 799 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 2: Another one will be running Charie that Catan and you 800 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 2: can't forget Catan. 801 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: Oh, you know how much I love Yes. I just 802 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,799 Speaker 1: learned it a few a few months ago. Parker was 803 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: When Parker was here, he taught me how to play 804 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: it and you know you get free onlon. We could 805 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 1: play online just you and me. All right, honey, I'm 806 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,919 Speaker 1: in all You taught me code names. You could help 807 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: me with this one too. So do you think you're 808 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: gonna stay there as long as the job goes or 809 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna try to come back when it? You know, 810 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 1: I know you're here when when you're on hiatus, right, 811 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,399 Speaker 1: it's the in between you come back here. But as 812 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, I don't love to fly. So you know 813 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: some people I have friends who have three days off 814 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: and go go home, you know, to see their family. 815 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: I need a good like ten days if I'm gonna 816 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 1: commit to flying across the country. I came home for. 817 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 2: Christmas for a month, and I'll come home for hiatus. 818 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: But no, I'm in it for the long haul. This 819 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: is an incredible job. 820 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 2: I was at an opening of a play a few 821 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 2: weeks ago and this woman at. 822 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: Me and she was serious, to what you have my job? 823 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,240 Speaker 1: I want that job. 824 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 2: I hope she was in a tradition for it, right, 825 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 2: She's an actress and she wanted that goddamn job. 826 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 1: It is. It is like the mother load for a 827 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: woman my age. I don't work that much, but I'm 828 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,359 Speaker 1: on a show that is loved and I'm in a 829 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: city that I adore, So I will be on it 830 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: as long as network television exists, which I don't know 831 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 1: how long that yeah, nobody knows. It could be over 832 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: in a year, but it's a You're great on it. 833 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,839 Speaker 1: You're great in everything you do. I remember when I 834 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,800 Speaker 1: saw you in The Full then the Deaf Spring Awakening, Yes, 835 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: and you were across the stage walking in that outfit, 836 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 1: and you have such presence. Cam. I was like in 837 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: the audience watching going look at how she can command. 838 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: You were like, you know, deep in the in the set, 839 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: on the set, away from where the audience was, and 840 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:04,040 Speaker 1: you slowly walked across the whole stage, and I remember 841 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 1: being transfixed. You're such an amazing actress really and everything 842 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 1: you do. And I first fell in love with you 843 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,879 Speaker 1: with that David Kelly show Private Practice, and everyone else 844 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: in America did too, and I think you've been like 845 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: a staple in our life and world since then. You know, hey, 846 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: you It's it's been really amazing moving here and getting 847 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 1: to know you so well. It's been a gift. 848 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 2: That has been one of my favorite things. You know, 849 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 2: if there's any silver lining to COVID, and there aren't many. 850 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 2: You know, I can say the same about you, and 851 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 2: we don't have to have like this full on, you know, 852 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 2: love fest. But Rosie, of course, I was so deeply 853 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 2: in love with you on so many levels. When you 854 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,360 Speaker 2: did your show, what you did for theater, the kind 855 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 2: of questions you asked, they weren't frivolous. 856 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,200 Speaker 1: You let me ride by motorcycle onto your stage. Come on, 857 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 1: we're so that I did a mammogram with a deaf 858 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,600 Speaker 1: woman on one of your shows. Right, you were so 859 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:06,359 Speaker 1: influential in my generation and to others, and then you know, 860 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 1: this horrible thing happens to the world. 861 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 2: And you and I have talked and seen each other, yeah, 862 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,680 Speaker 2: and there and Allie's enjoyed each other's company when we 863 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,960 Speaker 2: were around each other, and all of a sudden we 864 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 2: come together night after night, not just one night for games, 865 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 2: but another night for games, and then another night for 866 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 2: our private little hooking around a community that we had. 867 00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,960 Speaker 2: And you talked about your kids, and I talked about mine, 868 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 2: at our mothers, at our lives and our weight and 869 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,359 Speaker 2: our loves and our you know, misfortunes, and it was 870 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:41,560 Speaker 2: I don't know there was. 871 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 1: That was such a special time. And what's even more 872 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,880 Speaker 1: special is now that COVID has found a way to 873 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: interact in the world, our friendship is still so solid. 874 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 1: I came to visit you in your beautiful home and 875 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: your daughter, and we just it is the silver lining 876 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: of a horrible time in our history. I agree. It 877 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: was the friendships that I made. And you know, it's 878 00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: funny moving out here. You guys were like, come on, 879 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,959 Speaker 1: I was so depressed in New York, in my house 880 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 1: in New Jersey, unable to move it. You were like, 881 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: you could do it. I'm like, but it's COVID. You're like, no, 882 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 1: you could do it. Come on. And uh when I 883 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: finally did it, I was like, thank god, I did it. 884 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,279 Speaker 1: I think it was just in time, because boy, that 885 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,920 Speaker 1: was a depressing time for so many millions of us, 886 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 1: right if you struggle with depression to begin with, and 887 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,279 Speaker 1: then to be in the middle of that. I was 888 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 1: like in New York when I think about what New 889 00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 1: Yorkers went through, like the streets. Yes, I look at 890 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 1: those photographs, but but sometimes you just need a little 891 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,240 Speaker 1: sun shine. Rosie honey, And it's helped me so much. 892 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,399 Speaker 1: It's helped me so much. I have a trouble here 893 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,479 Speaker 1: in New York with the darkness, and I'm thinking about 894 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,400 Speaker 1: getting one of those lights that make it look like 895 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,279 Speaker 1: the sun is rising with you. Yes, I've had. I've 896 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 1: used those. They're very helpful because they're you know, from 897 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,280 Speaker 1: like November through March through spring. That was the toughest 898 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,880 Speaker 1: time for me there, and I remember feeling it as 899 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 1: a child. I remember the gray descending and me thinking, 900 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 1: oh no, I have to go back in the cave. 901 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's such a struggle, but I find 902 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,680 Speaker 1: it here. For my depression, it's exponentially increased. You know. 903 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 1: I'm so happy, and it's thanks to you and all 904 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,840 Speaker 1: my pals from out here who made it such an 905 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,920 Speaker 1: easy transition and helped me so much that you know, 906 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: it's been just serendipity for me. So thank you. Cameron Manheim. 907 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so happy. You're at the beach 908 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 1: with the sunshine and your daughter is thriving and thriving. 909 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: You should say her man listen, thank you for doing this, 910 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 1: but thank you so much. Okay, honey, I'm going to 911 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,839 Speaker 1: go get my kid after school, and I love you 912 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 1: and I'll talk to you soon. Thank you so much. 913 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,239 Speaker 1: It was great. Thank you so much. She is delicious, 914 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,600 Speaker 1: Cameron Manheim. Did I tell you she really is? Stay tuned, everybody. 915 00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:24,640 Speaker 1: We got some questions coming up, and thank you Cameron Manh. 916 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 1: Hey we're back. Thanks for sticking around commercials. They can 917 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,400 Speaker 1: be long and annoying. I understand, but hey, there's a 918 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:37,920 Speaker 1: business and show business people. Okay, making myself laugh. Sorry, 919 00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,680 Speaker 1: we've got some questions from you. Here's the first question. 920 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,920 Speaker 1: I haven't read these or I don't know what they're about, 921 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 1: so hit it. 922 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,799 Speaker 4: Hey, Rosie, it's Adam and Boston. I'm so glad you 923 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 4: have this podcast. I missed hearing you often, so it's great. 924 00:48:53,880 --> 00:49:00,239 Speaker 4: I just was calling in to tell you that well, 925 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,480 Speaker 4: first of all, that I love you, and the second 926 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 4: of all, just that I hope you don't have regrets 927 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 4: about producing Taboo the Musical, because my mom took me 928 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,600 Speaker 4: to see that show in New York because it was 929 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:20,640 Speaker 4: a real bonding moment for us being a young queer person. 930 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,640 Speaker 4: I wanted to ask if you, I guess, had any 931 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,720 Speaker 4: regrets about it and if you would ever produce another 932 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 4: musical again on Broadway. And my second just thought for 933 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,920 Speaker 4: you is. I just want you to know that I 934 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,640 Speaker 4: didn't know who Lee Bowery was at the time when 935 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,279 Speaker 4: I saw the show, and I just was opened up 936 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,799 Speaker 4: to this world. And it's one of the reasons that 937 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,400 Speaker 4: I went to art school and became a designer. So 938 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,480 Speaker 4: thank you so much for that, And onward with my 939 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,920 Speaker 4: question and podcast row love you. 940 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,399 Speaker 1: How sweet, Hi, honey. I'm so glad that you went 941 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: to see Taboo and that you saw it with your mom, 942 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,120 Speaker 1: and I understand the profound effect it had on you 943 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,279 Speaker 1: because it had an effect on me like that too. 944 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,040 Speaker 1: You know. I saw that show Taboo over in London 945 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,560 Speaker 1: and boy George was in it, playing Lee Bowery, and 946 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,399 Speaker 1: it was in a small kind of off Broadway theater 947 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,600 Speaker 1: over there in the West End. And I went up 948 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,000 Speaker 1: to the usher and I said, does boy George come 949 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,960 Speaker 1: often to the show? And they said he was on stage. 950 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,439 Speaker 1: I didn't even know it was him, and he came 951 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:37,120 Speaker 1: over and we introduced ourselves, and I was like, how 952 00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,880 Speaker 1: can I make this into a Broadway show? You know? 953 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,919 Speaker 1: And I thought it would be simple, and I thought 954 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,040 Speaker 1: it would be easy, and it was none of the above. 955 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,359 Speaker 1: But it was so much fun and it was so 956 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,880 Speaker 1: helpful to me as an artist too, to learn all 957 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,960 Speaker 1: about Lee Bowery and his life and his art, and 958 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,239 Speaker 1: it woke me up in a lot of ways to 959 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,520 Speaker 1: a kind of a person who lives their art daily. 960 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,600 Speaker 1: And it used to be I think when I was younger, 961 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,359 Speaker 1: that I would be a little afraid of people who 962 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,839 Speaker 1: were kind of way out of the norm. And Lee 963 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: Bowery kind of taught me, not himself obviously, through the show, 964 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:21,279 Speaker 1: taught me how to accept everyone and see the art 965 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,960 Speaker 1: in their daily living. It's quite a thing to master 966 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,200 Speaker 1: to be able to use yourself as a canvas and 967 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,440 Speaker 1: be out in the world fully presenting your art and 968 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: yourself as one. But Adam, your note is very sweet, 969 00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,680 Speaker 1: and I have no regrets about doing it, because there's 970 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,360 Speaker 1: nothing better in showbiz than Broadway. There you go, Thank you, 971 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,839 Speaker 1: Adam very much. You're very sweet. All right, we got 972 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,719 Speaker 1: another question on the way. Here we go hit it. 973 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,239 Speaker 5: Hi, Rosie, this is Victor from San Francisco. I've been 974 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,239 Speaker 5: enjoying all your interviews and discussions, especially with Cheeta Rivera. 975 00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 5: You have mentioned at various times you had lots of 976 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,799 Speaker 5: determination and confidence from a young age. It's so impressive. 977 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,880 Speaker 5: But where does it come from when you were that 978 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:11,240 Speaker 5: young as a child, nature, nurture, maybe a combination. Welcome 979 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,480 Speaker 5: your thoughts, take care and appreciate all that you've done. 980 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,239 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, very sweet. You know where does 981 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,160 Speaker 1: that come from, that kind of self confidence? I don't 982 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 1: really know. I think it probably came in my jeens 983 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,680 Speaker 1: in some capacity. And then there was the nurture part 984 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,880 Speaker 1: of having my mom die when I was so young, 985 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,719 Speaker 1: having five children with no kind of leader at home, 986 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,680 Speaker 1: because my dad was lost in his own way and 987 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,640 Speaker 1: at work like men were in the seventies, you know, 988 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,360 Speaker 1: early seventies. He was gone. He wasn't somebody that was 989 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,280 Speaker 1: prominently featured in our lives the way dads are today. 990 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,239 Speaker 1: You know, in the seventies, your dad was somebody who 991 00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,319 Speaker 1: went to work, begrudgedly and came home and had a 992 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,560 Speaker 1: couple of drinks and watched the game and yelled at 993 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,360 Speaker 1: their kids. I don't know. It didn't seem so kumbaya 994 00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:03,320 Speaker 1: with that. When I was growing up, I came out 995 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,719 Speaker 1: of the birth canal. I think no one who I 996 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,319 Speaker 1: was in some ways, and I think from having my 997 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:14,200 Speaker 1: mom died so young, it forced me kind of to 998 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,600 Speaker 1: be an adult in some ways, and I always thought, well, 999 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,719 Speaker 1: I got to take care of everybody now, and I'm 1000 00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:24,160 Speaker 1: sure my siblings felt the same thing. I think, you know, 1001 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,720 Speaker 1: mother laws or parent loss at such a young age 1002 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:32,520 Speaker 1: is really defining for your whole life. And I think 1003 00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:39,160 Speaker 1: the combination of wanting to bully myself up and have 1004 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,560 Speaker 1: it as a protection, I think all those things are 1005 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,319 Speaker 1: combined into one. But self confidence is something that I 1006 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,120 Speaker 1: hope to instill in all my kids, and I think 1007 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,400 Speaker 1: I've done it with the big ones, and I'm trying 1008 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,160 Speaker 1: very hard with my little daughter, who is autistic, as 1009 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,480 Speaker 1: I said before, and has her own specific way of 1010 00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,759 Speaker 1: looking at the world, and it's opened by world in 1011 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:07,240 Speaker 1: ways I can't even describe adequately. You know, She's really 1012 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,960 Speaker 1: changed the way I am in this world and the 1013 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,480 Speaker 1: way I feel about it. And a dolphin just swam by. Everybody. 1014 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,520 Speaker 1: We had a whale about an hour ago, and now 1015 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,160 Speaker 1: we have a dolphin just swem by, which means they 1016 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,279 Speaker 1: probably are friends because they hang out in pods, you know, 1017 00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,800 Speaker 1: But anyway, that's what I think. It's a combination of both, 1018 00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,719 Speaker 1: and I'm glad you love the Cheetah RIVERA interview. I 1019 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,840 Speaker 1: love her so much and she's such a living legend, 1020 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,080 Speaker 1: and how great that she did that for all of us, 1021 00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:41,279 Speaker 1: So thank you for saying that. All right, everybody, so 1022 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,960 Speaker 1: we are done for the day. And if you want 1023 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,839 Speaker 1: to leave a voice memo, how do you do it? 1024 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,680 Speaker 1: You take your iPhone, you hit voice memo, you go 1025 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,840 Speaker 1: hey Rosie, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. 1026 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:56,759 Speaker 1: You hang up, and then you go to Onward Rosie 1027 00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,360 Speaker 1: at gmail dot com and you you little voice memo 1028 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,320 Speaker 1: to that email and it will come right to this show. 1029 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,120 Speaker 1: Thank you for all your comments, and wish we could 1030 00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,960 Speaker 1: get to all of them, but we'll get to as 1031 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:14,280 Speaker 1: many as we can. And next week a wonderful guest, 1032 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,880 Speaker 1: another friend of mine, Ricky Lake, and we have a 1033 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,520 Speaker 1: laugh riot, fun hour for you with her as well. 1034 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,080 Speaker 1: So listen. Thanks everybody, This is Onward with Rosie o'donald. 1035 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:32,840 Speaker 1: We'll see you next week.