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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is.
Speaker 3: Matt, my name is Noah. They call me Ben.
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Speaker 3: Folks.
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Speaker 4: we love hearing from you, which is why every week
Speaker 4: we like to take a break. We like to share
Speaker 4: your reports from your fellow conspiracy realists. We got a
Speaker 4: lot of react to our episode on ghost kitchens, which
Speaker 4: was pretty fun. We're going to get some reactions to
Speaker 4: our EVP episode. We're gonna get We're gonna have some
Speaker 4: letters from home shout outs at the end, and before
Speaker 4: we do any of that, there is a letter that
Speaker 4: I think stood out to all of us about something
Speaker 4: strange occurring in Utah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, something rotten in Utah. Well, maybe not rotten, but
Speaker 5: a little unusual. Let's just say I'm gonna jump right
Speaker 5: into us. This is an email that came to us
Speaker 5: from Mama Dino, seemingly quite shrewd listener. Some very fun
Speaker 5: caveats here in this email starting off longtime listener and
Speaker 5: most of the time I like you guys most.
Speaker 3: Of the time.
Speaker 4: Well, these are, by the way, my favorite parts of
Speaker 4: this letter.
Speaker 5: Well, figot, I was wondering if you guys have heard
Speaker 5: of all the carbon monoxide poisonings happening in southern Utah
Speaker 5: this last month. I first started hearing about them when
Speaker 5: my cousin, who lives in Severe maybe Severe I think
Speaker 5: it's spelled Severe County, his heater went out, which you
Speaker 5: would think is normal every once in a while. But
Speaker 5: just a week later, a Latter Day Saints church building
Speaker 5: in Monroe poisoned nearly fifty people from their faulty heating system.
Speaker 5: Monroe is a small town, so surrounding cities and counties
Speaker 5: had to send out multiple ambulances to transfer all patients
Speaker 5: to the hospitals, and then they provided a link. This
Speaker 5: is true such a small town or area that they
Speaker 5: didn't have enough ambulances in their own Cash of emergency responders,
Speaker 5: so they had to know outsources from surrounding counties. I
Speaker 5: live in Cedar City, which is one and a half
Speaker 5: hours away from Monroe. My husband is a police officer
Speaker 5: with Cedar CITYPDS, so I hear a lot about what
Speaker 5: goes on. He says that he has gone to more
Speaker 5: carbon monoxide calls than usual, and we are only in January.
Speaker 5: Then on Friday, the nineteenth of this year, Canyonview Middle
Speaker 5: School had to be evacuated for carbon monoxide poisoning. This
Speaker 5: is the text that was sent out from the school district.
Speaker 5: And I don't know about you, Matt, but I get
Speaker 5: these from my kids' school all the time. Like the
Speaker 5: formatting of them is very familiar. ISCD Alert parents, guardians,
Speaker 5: and staff. We understand your concerns about the carbon monoxide contamination.
Speaker 5: The building has been monitored and cleared multiple times by
Speaker 5: the Cedar City Fire Department and Dominion Energy. Kind of
Speaker 5: a sinister name for an energy company.
Speaker 4: If you have you tell has got a lot of
Speaker 4: companies with sinister names.
Speaker 3: Clear it would seem so yeah.
Speaker 5: A cause has not been identified today Sunday, January twenty first,
Speaker 5: a National Guard has met team has been called in
Speaker 5: jeez and is currently thoroughly testing the building. We will
Speaker 5: communicate more information to you this afternoon once that investigation
Speaker 5: is complete. Update just stated that the middle school will
Speaker 5: be remote for Monday and Tuesday. Still waiting to see
Speaker 5: what they do next. I just feel like this is
Speaker 5: a lot of coincidences of carbon monoxide poisonings so close
Speaker 5: together within different cities. Thanks for the podcast that keeps
Speaker 5: me saying is a stay at home mom, and sometimes
Speaker 5: y'all help me fall asleep.
Speaker 3: Sincerely, Mama Diina.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's great to hear from you too, Mama de
Speaker 4: They really I'm just kidding. Thank you so much for
Speaker 4: writing to us. You're onto something I.
Speaker 5: Think, well, yeah, you know, and it does sound I
Speaker 5: think maybe too. When you're dealing with sort of isolated
Speaker 5: parts of the country like this and smaller parts of
Speaker 5: the country where a religion or a way of life
Speaker 5: perhaps you know that is unfamiliar to too many, perhaps
Speaker 5: you know is very dominant, You know that the Latter
Speaker 5: Day Saints, and then you hear about things like this happening,
Speaker 5: your mind goes.
Speaker 3: To conspiratorial places pretty.
Speaker 5: Quickly, as though this is some sort of I don't know,
Speaker 5: backlash or perhaps there's someone that has a beef against
Speaker 5: the church, you know, or against members of the community perhaps,
Speaker 5: Like we obviously have no details tying any of these
Speaker 5: occurrences together. And you could also just chalk up to
Speaker 5: downright poverty, you know, or lower income perhaps in some
Speaker 5: of these areas where people can't afford to maintain their
Speaker 5: heating systems, or there are things that go undone because
Speaker 5: of lack of funds. And I'm just conjecturing here. I
Speaker 5: am not sure saying that this is a necessarily a
Speaker 5: poverty stricken part of the country. I'm just saying it
Speaker 5: could be part of the reasoning. And I'm wondering what
Speaker 5: you guys think.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm looking at that NBC News article discussing the
Speaker 2: church where fifty four people were there at the church
Speaker 2: and they had to you know, get help or whatever
Speaker 2: for carbon monoxide poisoning. The official, i guess blame falls
Speaker 2: on a heating system. Same with the school, and so
Speaker 2: you know, everybody uses them. We talked about that couple
Speaker 2: that died pretty recently, but that was that wasn't.
Speaker 3: There was no carbon monoxide.
Speaker 2: It wasn't about carbon monoxide. It was about just the
Speaker 2: heating system.
Speaker 4: Without having the governor or regulatory safety measures working exactly.
Speaker 5: The thermostat was busted, and it basically just like didn't
Speaker 5: know how hot.
Speaker 3: It was getting.
Speaker 2: I do think when it gets into cold temperatures and
Speaker 2: these systems are working over time, there is a higher
Speaker 2: chance to have a problem right or a small leap.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I'm sorry I should have mentioned that firstly, and
Speaker 5: that maybe you know that combined with perhaps lack of maintenance,
Speaker 5: could account for such a pattern.
Speaker 4: I think inclement weather and lack of maintenance are are
Speaker 4: our most plausible culprits at this point, just because that
Speaker 4: makes the most sense. You know, we know that lack
Speaker 4: of maintenance is what has led to the lack of
Speaker 4: maintenance regulation led to stuff going wrong Boeing, it wasn't act.
Speaker 4: It wasn't you know, a nefarious, purposeful conspiracy. And it's
Speaker 4: also very easy to miss that kind of maintenance because
Speaker 4: those sorts of systems in general are ones that people
Speaker 4: don't like to think about a lot until they break well, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, like people who own cars but don't like cars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it could be tremendously expensive to keep that
Speaker 2: stuff up, and especially if you've got other bills that
Speaker 2: you need to worry about. It's probably not a priority.
Speaker 2: Oh it's working. I'm not going to think about my
Speaker 2: heating system because it's working right now.
Speaker 4: Because I have other more immediate problems. And also, you know,
Speaker 4: shout out to we have a lot of the LDS
Speaker 4: conspiracy realist in the crowd. We have a lot of
Speaker 4: listeners from Utah. Some of our friends and colleagues live
Speaker 4: in Utah. Shout out to the Casual Preppers podcast. Interesting
Speaker 4: to see, Oh I missed. Yeah, Oh they're great guys.
Speaker 3: Well, I see what you can.
Speaker 4: Will hang out with them later, I'm sure, I hope.
Speaker 2: So, so this is a thing that I'm imagining, especially
Speaker 2: right now. If you're looking around, you are seeing a
Speaker 2: lot of stories about it. Paul Mission Control Decad just
Speaker 2: wrote in our chat just a few days ago there's
Speaker 2: an apartment building near him that had to get evacuated
Speaker 2: because of a report of carbon monoxide leak of some
Speaker 2: sort of game.
Speaker 4: So it may not be just a Utah thing.
Speaker 5: Nice, It's a cold snap all around the damn country
Speaker 5: right now.
Speaker 3: I mean people are dying.
Speaker 2: Downtown Atlanta high Rise had to be evacuated last week.
Speaker 2: A Texas bakery there were several people who were hospitalized.
Speaker 2: At Yale University, fourteen people were hospitalized last week due
Speaker 2: to all due to carbon monoxide poisoning.
Speaker 4: Literally, all you have to do is search for carbon
Speaker 4: monoxide poisoning and not also type utah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a very good point, and I'm sorry this
Speaker 5: is not carbon monoxide related, but it just relates to
Speaker 5: how brutally cold things have been, you know, of late
Speaker 5: in Edwardsville, Illinois, the first Baptist church in Edwardsville is
Speaker 5: being fined seven hundred fifty dollars a day for sheltering
Speaker 5: the homeless or the unhoused from the bitter, bitter cold
Speaker 5: that we as we know can actually kill people.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: There's that other story, Matt about the folks that froze
Speaker 5: to death outside that house party, you know. Yeah, And
Speaker 5: it seems that this Edwardsville situation and is due to
Speaker 5: the fact that the church did not apply for the
Speaker 5: proper permit, which just seems cruel and unusual to me.
Speaker 3: But again, not carbon monoxi.
Speaker 6: Early.
Speaker 5: I'm just showing how crazy the temperatures have been lately.
Speaker 5: It's almost as though the climate is changing.
Speaker 4: There's another very similar case in Ohio, where an Ohio
Speaker 4: pastor has been charged for sheltering homeless people in this
Speaker 4: terrible weather, and that that goes to zoning laws. And
Speaker 4: if you go into the forums just reporting on those
Speaker 4: two incidents, or definitely in the Ohio one, which I'm
Speaker 4: more familiar with, then you'll see you'll see accusations that
Speaker 4: are unfortunately not uncommon in small towns, arguing that the pastor,
Speaker 4: Chris of El got on the wrong side of a
Speaker 4: relationship with local law enforcement, and so that they're pushing
Speaker 4: unnecessarily for something what's it called malicious compliance of some sort.
Speaker 3: It's pretty harmless.
Speaker 4: I don't think you should criminalize being unhoused, and that's
Speaker 4: something that parts of the US seem to be trending toward.
Speaker 4: But then again, if you house somebody and you don't
Speaker 4: have the maintenance on your heating system, they get carbon
Speaker 4: monoxide and then you're at fault for that's.
Speaker 3: A good yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, there's a liability to consider, but still,
Speaker 5: you know, at the end of the day, we should
Speaker 5: be able to help our struggling members of our communities.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about that the other day. Goes. I
Speaker 2: didn't know about the San Diego flooding until like a
Speaker 2: video popped up in my Instagram.
Speaker 3: I learned nothing about it. Guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it was pretty historic. It was intense. It's insane,
Speaker 2: and I maybe I'm completely wrong here, but I'm reading
Speaker 2: that it has a lot to do with an infrastructure problem.
Speaker 2: Like a lot of the cities that end up experiencing
Speaker 2: catastrophic flooding, it's just stuff wasn't quite up to snuff
Speaker 2: and what it needed to be to protect, you know,
Speaker 2: portions of the city that are closest to the ocean
Speaker 2: or to a river from flooding. It's terrifying really.
Speaker 4: It's also in that case they had a a lot
Speaker 4: of those things have like a window of tolerance or
Speaker 4: a margin of error, and from my understanding, things really
Speaker 4: went wrong when they were hit with repeated storms consecutively.
Speaker 4: I think it was three, which is it's tough to
Speaker 4: plan for that.
Speaker 2: But it just made me think of on house people, right,
Speaker 2: and like, what do you do when the city where
Speaker 2: you live outside in it just begins flooding in that manner,
Speaker 2: it's terrifying.
Speaker 4: One good thing we can say, and Mo Anddino, perhaps
Speaker 4: you will agree with this. One good thing we can
Speaker 4: say is that access to information allows people to be
Speaker 4: more aware of stories that would normally or quite possibly
Speaker 4: not be reported outside of their local community. So it
Speaker 4: does enable us to have a better high level picture
Speaker 4: of these patterns being described, like CO two poisoning across
Speaker 4: the US, like the little war on the unhoused. And
Speaker 4: he said it already. Old people don't always like when
Speaker 4: we mentioned it. But it's real climate change, exaggerating, exaggerating
Speaker 4: weather patterns escalating. I should say, I don't know if
Speaker 4: this hit you guys part of town here in our
Speaker 4: fair metropolis of Atlanta. But I was out on one
Speaker 4: of my porches, just writing some stuff, and it was
Speaker 4: a warm day, right, kind of overcast, but the weather
Speaker 4: seemed nice. And then, as if a heavenly switch was flipped,
Speaker 4: the sky opened up and there was a deluge. Yesterday, Yeah, yesterday.
Speaker 4: Nola and I live relatively close to one another, so
Speaker 4: usually we're affected by similar weather patterns. I'm just interested
Speaker 4: if it hit you guys too, Yeah, I did, for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've got to get rid of this thing.
Speaker 5: I've got to couch in my back driveway that is
Speaker 5: sitting in about three inches of water. There's a bit
Speaker 5: of a depression kind of area in my driveway. But
Speaker 5: it's also a bit like seventy two seventy three degrees
Speaker 5: lately going down from you know, brutal cold, and I'm
Speaker 5: sure we've got more cold snaps ahead of us, but
Speaker 5: it's just really unpredictable and kinda just a little bit unsettling,
Speaker 5: wouldn't you say?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And Ben, I drove through that storm. Everything seemed fine
Speaker 2: and just to overcast, and then I'm heading towards the
Speaker 2: city and holy mackerel, it was some of the creepiest
Speaker 2: lightning that I've experienced.
Speaker 4: Amazing photographs, Guys.
Speaker 5: Isn't it crazy when you're on the highway or something
Speaker 5: and you can literally see the line of demarcation a
Speaker 5: lotther like sheet of weather. Change begins and it's like
Speaker 5: you're going into a portal. Man, It's It's wild.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite parts of the Great American interior,
Speaker 4: especially when you get in that really flat land, you know,
Speaker 4: Kansas and Brass kind of country and you can see
Speaker 4: you can see the rain happening. But when that switch
Speaker 4: flipped again, just mine in my own business, I was like,
Speaker 4: this is warm outside, you know, it's overcast, so the
Speaker 4: sun's not going to get to me. I'll just I'll
Speaker 4: just write some stuff. And then I hear thunder and
Speaker 4: then in the distance, ten minutes later, I hear like
Speaker 4: thunder a little bit closer, and right after that thunder boom,
Speaker 4: the bottom drops out. It was as if the sky
Speaker 4: tried to try to sneak out a fart, And yeah,
Speaker 4: it just we've all played that game, folks.
Speaker 2: Danger always win.
Speaker 4: But like, what can be done though, in terms of
Speaker 4: this this maintenance thing, Unfortunately the burden is on the consumer,
Speaker 4: it seems, right, And if you cannot if you're a
Speaker 4: private household or a private property, and you're not beholden
Speaker 4: to the rules of a public space or a business,
Speaker 4: then there's not really anyone enforcing maintenance on your systems, right.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's the answer. I don't know
Speaker 4: if there should be. I don't know. I navigate that.
Speaker 2: It's just a weird thing, especially in apartment complexes where
Speaker 2: if like in your unit, there's often a locked door
Speaker 2: that has like the heating or the water heater, you know,
Speaker 2: some system that you can't get to that only maintenance
Speaker 2: is allowed to come into and mess with. But if
Speaker 2: you've got one of those locked doors. I would highly
Speaker 2: recommend you go on whateverever you order things online or
Speaker 2: head to your home depot and get like a twenty
Speaker 2: dollars carbon monoxide little thing you plug into the wall.
Speaker 2: It's a detector. It's twenty bucks. You put it near
Speaker 2: wherever that system is, just in case, because often apartment
Speaker 2: complex will have some kind of built in systems for
Speaker 2: fire and carbon monoxide. But dang, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: guess I have trust issues, but.
Speaker 4: Everybody should have trust issues. While you're at your local
Speaker 4: home supply store, get a fire extinguisher or like, already
Speaker 4: have one. Yeah, keep that thing on you. It's good
Speaker 4: to have their fun.
Speaker 2: I just got one for by my bed, like literally,
Speaker 2: just in case. I don't know. I had this dream
Speaker 2: about waking up in a fire in my house while
Speaker 2: my son is here and my only fire extinguisher is
Speaker 2: being pretty far away from me, and then like the
Speaker 2: panic of that moment plus trying to get my son
Speaker 2: and I to safety, plus being able to put a
Speaker 2: fire out, and I was like, you're gonna sit right
Speaker 2: here from now on, pal.
Speaker 4: Be more paranoid. Get one in your car too, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you should have your car.
Speaker 3: That's that's been one O one right.
Speaker 4: Yourself, just for like other people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, also true.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you need a specialized one that would be more
Speaker 2: for vehicle fires or oil fires or something or maybe
Speaker 2: not something?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean something's better than nothing. But yeah, get
Speaker 4: one of the little Get one of the little guys,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, not like the final form
Speaker 4: industrial oxygen cylinder looking thing from a hospital.
Speaker 3: But just one of the little small ones.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: But it's just the same stuff.
Speaker 5: It's the same halon. You can get like a three
Speaker 5: pack for two hundred and twenty dollars.
Speaker 3: On the internet.
Speaker 4: You guys want to go in on it, absolutely, it's reasonable.
Speaker 3: Can't put a price on personal safety.
Speaker 4: We're very fun at parties for sure.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you Mamadino for this this tip, and I
Speaker 5: think I feel pretty confident we're barking up the right
Speaker 5: tree as to you know, this is really just kind
Speaker 5: of more of a weather thing than it is some
Speaker 5: sort of plot against the Latter Day Saints. But let's
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Speaker 5: I don't like eating a cucumber, but I do like
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Speaker 2: Also not sponsored by Celsius, but we would so be
Speaker 2: into that. Here we go. We've got several messages, guys
Speaker 2: of people with personal experience with ghost kitchens. So let's
Speaker 2: start out by hearing from Blake.
Speaker 7: Hey, guys, this is Blake Move. You guys were just
Speaker 7: putting out a call for people that work for delivery acts,
Speaker 7: and I worked for Postmates in the past. I worked
Speaker 7: for a Lift for quite a while, but now currently
Speaker 7: for fun, I do door dash on the side. And
Speaker 7: you guys were talking about ghost kitchens. I hate them
Speaker 7: because you show up it's Biscuits Cafe and you're picking
Speaker 7: up for some other restaurant and you have no like.
Speaker 7: It's awful because most of them won't have a sticker
Speaker 7: saying oh this is Brito Town. Also here you'll just
Speaker 7: google the address and it comes up as another restaurant.
Speaker 6: I hate it.
Speaker 7: I'm a really fast driver. I'm a fast delivery guy.
Speaker 7: But I just hate having to stop and like google
Speaker 7: something and figure it out. But yeah, a lot of
Speaker 7: places do that. Anyway, I'm at work, I gotta go.
Speaker 2: Here's Blake with a report. Gotta go. That was awesome, Blake,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for giving us that information. I
Speaker 2: love biscuits cafe. Is that a thing I want to
Speaker 2: eat at biscuits cafe.
Speaker 4: Biscuits is just a great word to put in the
Speaker 4: title of any restaurant, you know, because it's so evocative
Speaker 4: of the smell and the texture and the taste. I also,
Speaker 4: I feel like we do have a delivery app episode
Speaker 4: on the way. We've been hearing some great stuff from
Speaker 4: our fellow listeners and got to tell you, man, you
Speaker 4: are not the first person who said I don't care
Speaker 4: for ghost kitchens because they can also be real. Apparently
Speaker 4: some of them can be very difficult to find.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 4: They're not necessarily always made for pickup drivers from delivery apps.
Speaker 4: Like the parking can be tough, and then the clock
Speaker 4: is always counting against you when you're when you're working
Speaker 4: in those professions.
Speaker 2: Oh, very true. I was gonna shout out this company
Speaker 2: and my friend I went to high school and his
Speaker 2: name's Nick. He makes biscuits in New York City. I
Speaker 2: cannot remember the name of it. Sorry, Nick, if you're
Speaker 2: out there listening, I haven't spoken with him in years.
Speaker 3: He used to date my sister.
Speaker 4: Oh, I remember this story. Also, I have a pitch
Speaker 4: for you, Matt. What if we just as Since we
Speaker 4: don't remember the name of his place right now, why
Speaker 4: don't we just gift him with a nickname. Let's call
Speaker 4: Nicky biscuits.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's it. That's it.
Speaker 4: Why do they call them nicky biscuits? You pray you
Speaker 4: never learned the answer.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: But hey, let's get those stickers up on those ghost kitchens. Everybody.
Speaker 2: If you're a proprietor of a kitchen that is also
Speaker 2: a ghost, put up a sticker. Hey, so let's go
Speaker 2: to our next person here. Grumpy Texan has had a
Speaker 2: little experience here that I think will shock all of us.
Speaker 8: I guess Grumpy Texan here been listening for a little while.
Speaker 8: First time caller anyway, Yeah, I was listening to all
Speaker 8: the show on the ghost kitchens, and funny enough, that
Speaker 8: same exact situation happened to my colleague while we were
Speaker 8: working in New York pretty much the same name. He said,
Speaker 8: past Walls is who he ordered from, except the differences.
Speaker 8: His pizza actually came in a Chuck E Cheese box.
Speaker 9: We were two Texan guys that were working in New
Speaker 9: York City staying in the Bronx, and we wanted some
Speaker 9: genuine pizza and that's what he got. So anyway, thanks
Speaker 9: love the show, guys, but he.
Speaker 4: Got Charles entertained for sure, chocolate chips on the Chuck
Speaker 4: E cheese plate.
Speaker 3: You guys, but.
Speaker 2: It's just horrible. I know. I know that feeling like
Speaker 2: the first couple of times I traveled to New York
Speaker 2: and it's like, man, I need to find some pizza.
Speaker 2: I keep hearing about this pizza and then you'd go
Speaker 2: to a raise and it's not the right one and
Speaker 2: you're just like, oh, that was kind of subpar.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got to tell you, man, New York has
Speaker 4: such an amazing food culture. I've always felt like, if
Speaker 4: you are just looking for good, regular, non fancy pizza,
Speaker 4: go to the place it looks like a money laundry operation,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Because and sure, I mean,
Speaker 4: maybe don't open with that when you talk with them,
Speaker 4: but just like be in the know about that and
Speaker 4: be aware that you should probably have cash. And yeah,
Speaker 4: there is that bait and switch though, especially because so
Speaker 4: many people are using for convenience or sometimes for necessity,
Speaker 4: are using delivery apps, and what you're typically looking for
Speaker 4: in those apps, especially if you're in a new city
Speaker 4: or a city in which you don't live, then you're
Speaker 4: looking for the kind of food you want more often
Speaker 4: than you're looking for a specific restaurant by name, right,
Speaker 4: so exactly, so then you you say, Okay, this pizza
Speaker 4: looks good or based on the pictures from this place
Speaker 4: I've never heard of, right, and they capitalized. And I'm
Speaker 4: really happy we did the Ghost Kitchens episode. I think
Speaker 4: we were fair about it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think so too. Mission Control. We're gonna keep
Speaker 2: shouting you out this episode. He brought up a place
Speaker 2: that he recently ordered from somewhere in New York City
Speaker 2: called Wonder Wonder. It's a really interesting concept to me.
Speaker 2: It feels like it's exactly what we described in the
Speaker 2: Cloud Kitchen ghost Kitchen thing, where it appears to be
Speaker 2: brick and mortar stores that are maybe one huge kitchen
Speaker 2: and if you order from here from this one location,
Speaker 2: when there are a bunch of locations actually, so a
Speaker 2: bunch of these all over the place. You can get
Speaker 2: food from like a dozen different seemingly high end restaurants
Speaker 2: that's all cooked there in that one place.
Speaker 5: But like they're really leaning into it and presenting it
Speaker 5: as a feature not a bug, you know, whereas some
Speaker 5: of the I think the weirdness in our reporting on
Speaker 5: the ghost kitchen phenomenon is folks being a little bit
Speaker 5: shady about it, you know, as in the case with
Speaker 5: this pizza box from you know, Chuck E Cheese. But like,
Speaker 5: I think it's smart if done correctly. But Paul did
Speaker 5: point out he felt that the food was good. Weirdly, though,
Speaker 5: two of the franchises that are contained within this wonder
Speaker 5: that Paul went to are two Atlanta based companies, which
Speaker 5: I did not know that either of these existed in
Speaker 5: New York. Ones called Fred's Meat and Bread, which is
Speaker 5: really really good like Phillies and Burghers, and the other
Speaker 5: one is Chaipani, which is kind of up plussed up
Speaker 5: Indian food.
Speaker 3: But Paul said it was good.
Speaker 5: But the idea, though I believe, is that it's one
Speaker 5: cook you know, or a group of cooks doing all
Speaker 5: the food for all the places. So there could be consistencies,
Speaker 5: you know, if you're having to know two large of
Speaker 5: a menu. But there are certain types of restaurants that
Speaker 5: would be more suited for this type of treatment, places
Speaker 5: that don't have mass of menus.
Speaker 3: Sure right, yeah, so it could be done well. It
Speaker 3: could be done well.
Speaker 4: And we're not vilifying these things at all. We just
Speaker 4: we believe that people should be to the point about deception.
Speaker 4: We believe that transparency is key with this kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: And these are hard working chefs, they are making good food.
Speaker 4: It is, as we spend so much time exploring in
Speaker 4: that episode, restaurants are an incredibly tough business. It is cutthroat,
Speaker 4: is brutal. But also, you know, one thing we didn't
Speaker 4: mention is something that I imagine common in many Western
Speaker 4: cities is the pop up kitchen. Right. That's kind of
Speaker 4: like a ghost kitchen, because you have a brand that
Speaker 4: goes to a restaurant that may not They may just
Speaker 4: want to give somebody a chance right to pitch their stuff,
Speaker 4: and so you'll go to your typical whatever the You'll
Speaker 4: go to your typical nikky biscuits and then you'll find
Speaker 4: that tonight instead of their usual dinner menu, there's the
Speaker 4: two hands pop up, and that is not seen as
Speaker 4: misleading or anything, because again people are being transparent about
Speaker 4: it and it's a cool way to try new things.
Speaker 4: But but yeah, I I I don't know, man. I
Speaker 4: think ghost kitchens are gonna continue. I think they're gonna
Speaker 4: I think this trend is gonna escalate. What do you think?
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean this feels like the future to me.
Speaker 2: I guys, I made a terrible mistake. Oh no, my
Speaker 2: friend Nick does not make biscuits in New York. He
Speaker 2: makes them in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: Okay, Nicky biscuits still holds, I think.
Speaker 5: So, hey, man, better than ever, dude, no harm, no
Speaker 5: foul and other expressions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could look him up. His name's Nick Westbrook.
Speaker 2: Amazing actor. Again, I haven't talked to him a long time.
Speaker 2: Hopefully he's still an awesome person because he was when
Speaker 2: I knew him. All Right, there, he goes, sorry that. Hey,
Speaker 2: we've got one more message you guys. Yeah, this is
Speaker 2: from I'm gonna call him Fi guy, pretty fly for
Speaker 2: a FI guy. Here we go and play.
Speaker 6: Hi, I'm a public health inspector in Canada, and I've
Speaker 6: just been listening to your episode on ghost kitchens, and
Speaker 6: I think you're assuming, well, it seems that you're assuming
Speaker 6: that a lot of the ghost kitchens out there are
Speaker 6: inspected and that we even know about them, And in
Speaker 6: a lot of cases we don't. These places will pop up,
Speaker 6: they'll have four or five kitchens running out of them,
Speaker 6: and we won't know until an inspector goes out and
Speaker 6: takes a look at an area, finds one of these
Speaker 6: restaurants and sees that suddenly, this pizza place has a
Speaker 6: bunch of Mister Best Burger boxes in it. So now
Speaker 6: you've got a person that works in a pizza place
Speaker 6: cooking your burger. And that's the best case scenario that
Speaker 6: we catch them. It could be just a garage out
Speaker 6: in the middle of nowhere, a food truck parked in
Speaker 6: the field. God knows what they've got for equipment, God
Speaker 6: knows what they've got for training. Did I know how
Speaker 6: to cook a burger?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 6: Are they cooking it wrong? I don't know. I know
Speaker 6: in the States you can buy a raw burger, can't
Speaker 6: do it here in Canada. I think you need to
Speaker 6: talk to someone in the health field and find out
Speaker 6: what kind of conditions a lot of these places operate in.
Speaker 6: Set that backing up rat's roads, improper cooking techniques, not
Speaker 6: available refrigerators, It's it's a mess. Ghost kitchens are a
Speaker 6: nightmare for us. We've had an application here someone who
Speaker 6: wants to operate with twelve places operating out of a
Speaker 6: place besides just a small garage. So love the show.
Speaker 6: I can't wait to hear what more you're going to
Speaker 6: do our best?
Speaker 4: Thanks, ooh ooh, dog with a ball, Matt, you got
Speaker 4: to me, sir, I think we I think that is
Speaker 4: an excellent point.
Speaker 2: We got.
Speaker 4: We got to dive in. I didn't know it was
Speaker 4: so easy, but I guess you could do it pretty
Speaker 4: off the book, so huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I guess you can. What he described, though,
Speaker 2: sounded a lot like Wonder a very small location in
Speaker 2: New York City, because we know that space is at
Speaker 2: a very very much a pre They're in New York
Speaker 2: City and all boroughs and all the places, and they
Speaker 2: are They've got a ton of locations that Wonder place,
Speaker 2: and they're running of at least a dozen kitchens out
Speaker 2: of there. So I mean it sounds like something that
Speaker 2: would potentially be above board in the United States. At
Speaker 2: least it changes things when you got a whole different,
Speaker 2: you know, set of regulations you're working on in Canada
Speaker 2: and in other countries. So we need to go international
Speaker 2: with this thing.
Speaker 4: I'm in okay, so Papua New Guinea in Canada, and
Speaker 4: then I get and then I guess we'll add a
Speaker 4: third for rule of three. But but that is that
Speaker 4: is disturbing too, because just thinking through this, you guys,
Speaker 4: all right, you position a ghost kitchen. So your main
Speaker 4: your main platforms of business are going to be delivery apps.
Speaker 4: Delivery apps, do they require documentation of like health code
Speaker 4: and then you know your score like here in the
Speaker 4: UNIP so I don't know how it works in Canada,
Speaker 4: but you know here in the US, any restaurant you
Speaker 4: go to is supposed to have their little worksheet with
Speaker 4: their health score displayed somewhere, and that's always fun to
Speaker 4: read while you're waiting for the takeout.
Speaker 5: Do you guys have a minimum score like that will
Speaker 5: cause you to not walk out if you see it.
Speaker 3: I'm like eighty five. Eighty five is okay?
Speaker 5: That seems I know, maybe that seems like I got
Speaker 5: real low standards.
Speaker 2: But you got to you got to read the thing.
Speaker 2: If you read the thing, they didn't tell you why. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like they get a perfect score. Oh but they also
Speaker 2: have rats and you go, well bye.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: If you know anything from watching like Kitchen Nightmare type shows, Uh,
Speaker 5: oftentimes people will get a bad score because of something
Speaker 5: silly that they're just missed, that wasn't necessarily an egregious
Speaker 5: you know, oversight or systematic problem. And then oftentimes they
Speaker 5: will fix it even if you know, sometimes it don't
Speaker 5: even make the news, like beloved restaurant fails health inspection,
Speaker 5: and then.
Speaker 3: They can make it right. Or might it's a really
Speaker 3: good point then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, agreed, Or it could be it could be a
Speaker 4: problem that is beyond their control, like it's something under
Speaker 4: the onus of the owner of the building and they're
Speaker 4: leasing the space. That can happen. But then also to
Speaker 4: answer question, I'm not going to name names, but there's
Speaker 4: a for a long time there's been a couple pretty
Speaker 4: famous restaurants in an area of our town called Buford Highway,
Speaker 4: and they're legit and they're amazing. And there's one that
Speaker 4: I went to regularly even when the score was eighty three.
Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, me too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I stand by eighty five.
Speaker 5: I would, you know, if it was a place I loved,
Speaker 5: I would, I would go as low as eighty three.
Speaker 2: Well, one of my favorite Bangladeshi restaurants that's out there,
Speaker 2: and it's not the one maybe we're all thinking about
Speaker 2: the one that shut down that was my favorite.
Speaker 4: It's not Panahr. It was so good, it was so good.
Speaker 2: Josh Clark, I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry we even brought
Speaker 2: it up. If you hear this in the ether somehow
Speaker 2: on the streets, bro. But there's another one there that
Speaker 2: is still one of It's one of my favorite places
Speaker 2: to get food from, and it regularly has a low score.
Speaker 2: I watched staff members come out into the dining room
Speaker 2: area and shuck eggs. Just watched them doing it out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think one shucks corn.
Speaker 4: Eggs.
Speaker 2: These are special.
Speaker 4: Cigarette dangling in the staying wife guys.
Speaker 5: Sometimes that's a badge of honor, sign of quality, you know,
Speaker 5: greasy spoon, you know that kind of.
Speaker 4: I am a friend of Chinatown's across the country.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if I if, I especially if I see and
Speaker 4: this is such profiling. If I see an older dude
Speaker 4: who is clearly over it and looks like kind of
Speaker 4: bored with whatever he's doing, and the apron or like
Speaker 4: the clothing is kind of dirty and stained, I feel
Speaker 4: like it's legit. I'm like, you know what, but forget
Speaker 4: a menu. I'm gonna ask the guy what I should have.
Speaker 5: Man, this cigarette dangling an inch of ash niggers, you know,
Speaker 5: falls into the ragou.
Speaker 3: You know, seasoning there it is.
Speaker 4: I also feel like we should mention first, Yes, we
Speaker 4: need to look at the health code stuff in future episode.
Speaker 4: But I agree with the point about reading reading the
Speaker 4: details of the health inspection report because it's possible that
Speaker 4: someplace has a high score. But then, like you said,
Speaker 4: they have something egregious. You know, it's like two unidentified
Speaker 4: feet in the two unidentified severed feet in walking cooler?
Speaker 4: Ninety three?
Speaker 3: Can you get a ninety three with that kind of offense?
Speaker 5: You didn't see the thing that was some meme maybe
Speaker 5: it was on Reddit or four chan, but some like
Speaker 5: subway employee uh took a picture of them standing in
Speaker 5: like one of those two pan things of lettuce, and
Speaker 5: I was like, this is the lettuce you're eating?
Speaker 3: A movie.
Speaker 5: It was Burger King, but you know the the eagle
Speaker 5: eyed Internet swarm immediately identified exactly which Burger King this
Speaker 5: was and got the guy promptly fired.
Speaker 2: Oh, no good, no.
Speaker 3: Good at all.
Speaker 2: Well that's all today on Ghost Kitchens. Thank you, Blake,
Speaker 2: Grumpy Texan and public Health inspector Guy. We will be
Speaker 2: right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 4: And we have returned. This one is going to be
Speaker 4: a bit of a round up, folks, a bit of
Speaker 4: a compilation at the end, because there's a lot of
Speaker 4: cool things we want to get to and as always,
Speaker 4: it's a wonderful problem to have. We can't get to everyone,
Speaker 4: so we're just going to have to keep doing this show,
Speaker 4: which is awesome. First, Matt, you brought this to my mind.
Speaker 4: We want to thank our pals Josh and Chuck. A
Speaker 4: little while back, Josh reached out to me and said
Speaker 4: he was working started asking me questions about Esperanto. For
Speaker 4: anybody who knows Josh, one of the cool things is,
Speaker 4: like many of us, how stuff works. People will just
Speaker 4: sort of, well, we'll just come to each other and
Speaker 4: then maybe not with a lot of context, start asking
Speaker 4: really specific questions of scientific stuff or scientific nature anyway,
Speaker 4: So shout out Josh and Chuck. They just did a
Speaker 4: banger of an episode on how Esperanto works for all
Speaker 4: the word nerds out there, and they gave us some
Speaker 4: nice shout outs. So appreciate you, guys, and good luck
Speaker 4: to everybody who is learning esperanto. Just figure would we
Speaker 4: would say that? And also aren't they on tour again
Speaker 4: right now?
Speaker 2: Maybe they should be.
Speaker 5: They always are doing little one off things here and there.
Speaker 5: Great thing to catch if they come to your town.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, good, good thing to catch when they come
Speaker 4: through your town. Perfectly said. We have another another letter
Speaker 4: I want to read in part from someone responding to
Speaker 4: our episode on electronic voice phenomenon ghost in the Machine.
Speaker 4: This is from George, who says, who talks about some
Speaker 4: of the stuff that they learned in the course of
Speaker 4: ghost hunting and investigations. Also, thank you to everybody who
Speaker 4: wrote in about ghost hunting and your experience with it.
Speaker 4: He says, the following one group had rules around collecting
Speaker 4: audio recordings. I don't recall all of them, but these
Speaker 4: came to mind, and this I think hits directly on
Speaker 4: our conversation about methodology right in the science of this,
Speaker 4: so first quote, we would make sure to dangle our
Speaker 4: recorders from our wrist with straps and not move around
Speaker 4: while recording. This would ensure we weren't introducing sounds with
Speaker 4: subconscious movements of our hands or creating sounds with movement
Speaker 4: of air. So it's kind of similar to like the
Speaker 4: wich aboard argument, right it is.
Speaker 2: I would just say they make these things called tripods
Speaker 2: that you can attach equipment. Sorry, just me, in my mind,
Speaker 2: dangling from a risk is precarious, that's all.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Can I just give a little shout out to a
Speaker 5: product that I believe made its debut on one of
Speaker 5: those shark tank type shows and I was hooked into
Speaker 5: it by an Instagram ad. And it's a very flexible tripod.
Speaker 5: I think it's called like the squid or something like that.
Speaker 5: It's a very flexible tripod that has like little suction
Speaker 5: cups on it and you can stick it to a wall,
Speaker 5: stick it anywhere, or wrap the little leggies around different
Speaker 5: you know things to mount it in different ways, and
Speaker 5: it's really really really cool. It's called tentacle, that's what
Speaker 5: it's called.
Speaker 3: Sorry. Also eldritche Vibes.
Speaker 2: Yes and the job Gorilla pod that we like to
Speaker 2: use in video production.
Speaker 3: For very similar to that. It has suction cups, you guys,
Speaker 3: suction cups.
Speaker 4: And so there's another slight issue which I think we're
Speaker 4: all aware of here, which is if you've ever done
Speaker 4: the pendulum experiment, it's a great way to see how unconscious,
Speaker 4: small muscle movement can be altered by your thought alone.
Speaker 4: The experiment is very simple. You can play along at home.
Speaker 4: You hold some weighted object by a string, something pendulum esque,
Speaker 4: and then you as it's stankling, you start thinking about
Speaker 4: it going up and down right like back and forth,
Speaker 4: or moving in a circle, and as you think about
Speaker 4: what path you want it to take, it will do
Speaker 4: that because your hand is subconsciously moving.
Speaker 5: It really is interesting too, the idea of think about
Speaker 5: this as hard as you can, and like, you know,
Speaker 5: you could maybe make the jump that you're moving it
Speaker 5: with your mind, but you kind of are, because your
Speaker 5: mind is sending signals to your hand that you're not
Speaker 5: even aware of that are causing it to change direction,
Speaker 5: but you're not exactly sending, you know, psychic beams into
Speaker 5: the string.
Speaker 4: Everybody has the power of mind over matter. In the
Speaker 4: vast majority of proven cases. I'll go ahead and say
Speaker 4: in all of the proven cases, it just turns out
Speaker 4: the matter that your mind controls is your body.
Speaker 2: Right, bro, Think about if you stand on one foot
Speaker 2: and you're balancing on one foot, are you consciously telling
Speaker 2: your body how to balance and like which micro movements
Speaker 2: to make to maintain balance or.
Speaker 4: Does the pro preception just kick in right? Like how
Speaker 4: can you how can you close your eyes and touch
Speaker 4: your nose without looking? It's pro preception, right, It's the
Speaker 4: reason some people puke when they play games like Mirror's Edge.
Speaker 4: Is that the one the park Woor game?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first person running across buildings.
Speaker 4: Yeah, some people don't don't find VR comfortable either, Right,
Speaker 4: And you guys put on the VR headsets and like
Speaker 4: walked by, you know, a precipice or a cliff in
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 3: Matt introduced me to it one time when he came over.
Speaker 5: He used the first one that I knew that had
Speaker 5: the newer edition of the Oculus Rift of the time.
Speaker 5: And there's this game called Plant Game where it's like,
Speaker 5: you know, graphics that are of the level of like
Speaker 5: the Sims from the nineties, but you go up in
Speaker 5: this elevator, and then the whole game is to walk
Speaker 5: out on this plank and your mind just accepts what
Speaker 5: is being presented because it is so immersive. And the
Speaker 5: first time I tried to do it, I literally couldn't
Speaker 5: do it. I'm in my living room. I know I'm
Speaker 5: in my living room. I feel the carboner on my feet,
Speaker 5: but I couldn't force myself to do it. I have
Speaker 5: since done it, and it's still you know, God, the
Speaker 5: mind is a very fascinating thing the way it just
Speaker 5: has to It has the ability to.
Speaker 3: Just convince you something is real, even if you know
Speaker 3: it's not.
Speaker 4: You have to push against your instincts there, and there's
Speaker 4: a very good reason that your mind will say no,
Speaker 4: that is one hundred foot drop and you're like, no,
Speaker 4: I'm in my living room. They're like yeah, but just
Speaker 4: in case we're trying to stay alive here you guys.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm so sorry. I don't want to interject
Speaker 2: another tangent here. In the news recently, there was a
Speaker 2: murder case that had to do with something I'd never
Speaker 2: heard of before. Cannabis induced psychosis.
Speaker 3: Oh you that the other day?
Speaker 4: Yeah, marijuana madness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was used in a case, and the
Speaker 2: woman who was accused of stabbing your boyfriend a hundred
Speaker 2: times got probation for that because she smoked weed and
Speaker 2: was experiencing this thing. We got to talk about that
Speaker 2: at some point she.
Speaker 4: Got she got found successful of having an amazing lawyer.
Speaker 3: It's in the library. Yeah, it's trigger, it's not.
Speaker 5: It's not as for anybody you got to have pre
Speaker 5: existing like right, trigger schizophrenia essentially.
Speaker 2: But it's just stuff that's happening in that closed room, right,
Speaker 2: And we're just like, what, Okay.
Speaker 4: It's happening in the mind. And then uh, let's go
Speaker 4: back to this because I do want to for anybody
Speaker 4: who's interested in pursuing EVAP, I think it'll be helpful
Speaker 4: to get a sense of how people apply rigor to this,
Speaker 4: to this search. So we talked at length about the
Speaker 4: idea of trying to reduce subconscious movements of hands or
Speaker 4: movement of air. George continues. We would always pair off
Speaker 4: so that there were at least two sets of eyes
Speaker 4: and ears for any session. If we heard sounds, we
Speaker 4: would identify them allowed for the recorder. The process was
Speaker 4: to ask a question, wait a few minutes, then ask
Speaker 4: another question. This was because ostensibly it could take time
Speaker 4: for responses to occur. We'd also keep recordings to This
Speaker 4: is interesting. This is kind of counterintuitive to me. They
Speaker 4: said we would keep recordings down to ten to fifteen
Speaker 4: minutes or so, largely because reviewing the data takes about
Speaker 4: as long as it takes to record it in the
Speaker 4: first place. So they're not I don't know what you
Speaker 4: guys think, but I I guess I had just lazily imagined.
Speaker 4: I haven't done EVP research, but I had just lazily
Speaker 4: imagined that you would set a recorder in an empty
Speaker 4: room overnight or something like that, and then try to party.
Speaker 3: That you did. Matt, wasn't it in your old house?
Speaker 2: No, I actually kept it over night. I completely agree
Speaker 2: with this part, because you do. Again, if you're reviewing
Speaker 2: a piece of tape and it's say ten minutes right,
Speaker 2: you're listening back to that tape after you've recorded it
Speaker 2: in real time, trying to notice if there's anything maybe
Speaker 2: then enhancing it, turning up the gain or something. Listening
Speaker 2: back to that full ten minutes again making a change
Speaker 2: the way with audio is being filtered to enhance something else.
Speaker 2: Listening back to that ten minutes, it could take forever.
Speaker 2: I think that's probably a smart move.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, that makes sense, especially considering like how deep
Speaker 4: you want to go into analysis, You're going to spend
Speaker 4: a lot a lot of time with those minutes. And
Speaker 4: then adds this that I definitely appreciate this point. We
Speaker 4: acted and spoke in a respectful manner at all times,
Speaker 4: so for example, we would not actively enrage a ghost
Speaker 4: just to get a response out of them. And what
Speaker 4: I'm doing, my friend, that makes you so much better
Speaker 4: than so many of those ghost hunting shows where they're like,
Speaker 4: come on, broh, come on, if you're here, hit a cabinet. Brouh.
Speaker 4: I'm tho scared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like that's the only way to go.
Speaker 2: You just you've got to get in their grill, you know.
Speaker 4: I feel like that establishes living People don't want to
Speaker 4: hang out with you. Much of.
Speaker 3: This is why you have no friends and have a
Speaker 3: failing ghost hunting show.
Speaker 4: Oh boy on, oh gosh. Yeah uh, but you know,
Speaker 4: it's a it's a tough gig. And in their defense,
Speaker 4: the producers have a lot to do with how people
Speaker 4: are portrayed in reality shows, So we don't know oh,
Speaker 4: no question. We don't know how they're getting set up.
Speaker 5: Sorry, Zach, we act yeah, you know, funny story, not
Speaker 5: to derail really quickly.
Speaker 3: Just Paul will know about this. He and I worked
Speaker 3: on a.
Speaker 5: Pilot or a sizzle for a reality show, uh with
Speaker 5: the unfortunate name of the Underground Runway. It was about
Speaker 5: like some Buckhead, which is like a kind of suburb
Speaker 5: here in Atlanta, of like fancy moms that we're looking
Speaker 5: to set up a side business of a of a
Speaker 5: clothing line in their basement.
Speaker 3: Underground Runway.
Speaker 5: You didn't really vet that one through, but man, we
Speaker 5: saw some stuff where the producer was just.
Speaker 3: Feeding lines to you know, the talent quote unquote. It
Speaker 3: was nothing, was real. It was all manufacturer Silverado.
Speaker 4: Remember that poll, He says, ha ha, yep. It's also
Speaker 4: I remember hearing this story too. There's also a good
Speaker 4: point that our pal raises in the CVP letter. George says,
Speaker 4: we were doing this because we wanted to collect data
Speaker 4: in as uniform and scientifical way as we could. While
Speaker 4: we did try to adhere to our rules, I don't
Speaker 4: think we could call any of our data scientific, nor
Speaker 4: do I think that any ghost hunter can shots fired. George,
Speaker 4: consider that scientific data has criteria requires controlled experimental circumstances,
Speaker 4: minimizing variables. Then consider how difficult it is to create
Speaker 4: tests with regular humans. Then add in the fact that
Speaker 4: ghost hunters are attempting to generate responses from what amounts
Speaker 4: to invisible humans, so they don't know if the humans
Speaker 4: are there to test. And this is where he introduces
Speaker 4: a phrase. I think it's cool word of the day
Speaker 4: Portmanteau anec data like anecdote, but data. I hope. I
Speaker 4: wish you could see the faces there, George. I think
Speaker 4: we're all in love with this term. He says with
Speaker 4: ghost hunting, annec data gives us the preponderance of evidence
Speaker 4: we need to know in order to decide whether something
Speaker 4: is worth pursuing. So I think that's a very fair
Speaker 4: and even minded way to go about it. And I
Speaker 4: don't know, guys, should we have done that ghost hunting
Speaker 4: show years back?
Speaker 3: Which one?
Speaker 4: Which one? Yeah, that's a that's a good question. We
Speaker 4: would get these We would get these questions from different
Speaker 4: companies and they would say, hey, you guys want to
Speaker 4: do a ghost hunting show with us?
Speaker 2: The show we should have done was called Silverado, that's
Speaker 2: the one we should have done.
Speaker 4: That, that's what we should have done, and what the
Speaker 4: malundon silver mines. Yep, yeah, all right, so we'll we'll
Speaker 4: show this up here. We've got a couple of things
Speaker 4: we'll just call letters from Home. In response to our
Speaker 4: classic episode on Superpowers, this was Superpowers Part two. We
Speaker 4: talked about ring finger mobility, and we got a lot
Speaker 4: of people just flexen, literally flexing on us. So shout
Speaker 4: out to Amir who says ring finger and mobility. I
Speaker 4: wasn't aware this was something most people can't do, and
Speaker 4: I don't think any of us can do it right
Speaker 4: Where you move your ring finger independently? Oh you can
Speaker 4: do it down, but can you do it up?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't do anything with it. Sorry, guys, really this
Speaker 2: if I do my doing it, I do it. Never mind,
Speaker 2: I'm doing it. Are I boarding on? Inappropriates pinky though?
Speaker 4: Isn't it?
Speaker 3: Oh ring finger? Sorry? Oh no, it's it's stuck. It's
Speaker 3: frozen ring finger. Ring finger is completely immobile.
Speaker 4: We also we also hear from the part of my
Speaker 4: pronunciation here the Wayne Garoa kid who says hello from
Speaker 4: Wayne Garua o tioa iologized that spelling is a O
Speaker 4: T E A R O A and says the following,
Speaker 4: I have good finger control? Am I a superhero? And
Speaker 4: this one also came attached with a picture of the
Speaker 4: person actually doing this, So there's evidence maybe we're behind
Speaker 4: the curve, because everyone who wrote in about this ring
Speaker 4: finger stuff seemed surprised that other people can't do it.
Speaker 4: I guess it's like rolling your tongue or the taste
Speaker 4: of cilantro right, one of those little genetic works we
Speaker 4: all get.
Speaker 2: I think so. I think so wing Grello, by the way,
Speaker 2: is New Zealand, New Zealand.
Speaker 3: I can't do it with my other hand. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I'm doing the.
Speaker 4: Livelong progress, which is the blessing the coining when you
Speaker 4: do it with both hands. And then we heard from
Speaker 4: a lot of people recently on the Ai Harlan stuff
Speaker 4: the family is suing really ye and shout out to
Speaker 4: a frame who a framed, a long time contributor, fellow
Speaker 4: conspiracy realist. And I think your recent correspondence kind of
Speaker 4: sums up what a lot of people have told us
Speaker 4: after hearing that story quote, I don't like Ai Carlin.
Speaker 4: I first heard him when I was nine with my
Speaker 4: dad and his seven words of words I used to
Speaker 4: help with my chronic stutter. His content means a lot
Speaker 4: to me. I'm glad you guys don't like Ai Carlin too, agreed.
Speaker 3: Bro, I cutely agree.
Speaker 5: There there was a sort of a little tone death
Speaker 5: as a bit of satire.
Speaker 2: You know, we missed a part of that that we
Speaker 2: should have discussed, guys, And I didn't hear it until after,
Speaker 2: and I was more curious. But Ben, you said you'd
Speaker 2: listened to the whole thing, and I was like, oh man,
Speaker 2: maybe I need to listen to this thing. There's a
Speaker 2: section in there where Ai Carlin says, in the future,
Speaker 2: it will just be us. It will be the AI
Speaker 2: versions of all your favorite comedians and actors, and they're
Speaker 2: going to replace all the newscasters, cause who's better at
Speaker 2: telling you what's going on than comedians. And he's like,
Speaker 2: there will be twenty four hour, three hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: five day year feeds of comedians talking about current events,
Speaker 2: what's happening, and doing it through the specific lens and
Speaker 2: just basically Ai Carlin paints a picture of proliferation and
Speaker 2: kind of a dystopia, but also an interesting concept.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't think I remember that, and it
Speaker 4: is it is interesting. It is, to be honest, it
Speaker 4: is the kind of thing Carlin would plausibly bring up
Speaker 4: very alive to do us at. This is true.
Speaker 2: If that happened, guys, we would always know what Ja
Speaker 2: Rule is thinking.
Speaker 4: Thank God about ghost kitchens. I tried to. I texted him,
Speaker 4: He's like, I can't talk. I'm doing EVP stuff.
Speaker 3: Yes, definably knows where he was.
Speaker 5: I just want to add to I've been seeing lately
Speaker 5: on various Instagram accounts and such that I follow these
Speaker 5: very riskque AI renderings of Taylor Swift kind of like
Speaker 5: almost in the style of key art for like Grand
Speaker 5: Theft Auto games, as like a sex worker kind of
Speaker 5: you know, exotic dancer kind of situation, like wearing you know,
Speaker 5: g strings and fish nets and being fondled and stuff,
Speaker 5: pretty pretty raunchy stuff. I immediately was like, this is odd,
Speaker 5: and I showed it to my girlfriend, who immediately.
Speaker 3: Said, Taylor's not gonna like that.
Speaker 5: And sure enough, the very next day, maybe even the
Speaker 5: same day, it was saying Taylor Swift pursuing legal action
Speaker 5: against creators of these AI renderings of.
Speaker 4: Her gonna be tough to do it because it's just
Speaker 4: a creepy escalation of those those dudes who would photoshop
Speaker 4: celebrities faces and stuff.
Speaker 5: And these are very stylized. No one is looking at
Speaker 5: this and believing that that is Taylor Swift. They basically
Speaker 5: look like cartoons, like, you know, like kind of photo
Speaker 5: realistic hyperstyle. I really think the grand theft auto key
Speaker 5: art is a decent analogy, but I do wonder if
Speaker 5: she does find traction, that will certainly set a precedent,
Speaker 5: as she is one of the most visible, powerful and
Speaker 5: wealthy women or people in general in entertainment, So a
Speaker 5: lot of potential there for what could set some presidents.
Speaker 5: But honestly, don't think that she's going to be able to,
Speaker 5: you know, prevent people, for she's a public figure.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Well, it is kind of like fan art too, right
Speaker 2: in a.
Speaker 4: Way technically, and also the law is there. The law
Speaker 4: is a very tough time with this. The legislation hasn't
Speaker 4: caught up with the innovation here yet and may not
Speaker 4: because it's decentralized. I want to emphasize that thing I
Speaker 4: mentioned earlier. If it's not familiar to anybody. The Streissand
Speaker 4: effect very real on the Internet that is named after
Speaker 4: I think Barbara Streisand had some unflattering picture. Oh no,
Speaker 4: it's a photo of her house that she didn't want
Speaker 4: out there, and she said, hey, Internet, don't put that anywhere.
Speaker 4: And so the Internet, being decentralized and full of smart
Speaker 4: alex put it everywhere. So it's unfortunately sometimes it's throwing
Speaker 4: gas on the fire you mean to extinguish. And I
Speaker 4: think that's worth exploring all of this and more in
Speaker 4: a future episode. For now, let's call it a day.
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