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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is.

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Speaker 3: Matt, my name is Noah. They call me Ben.

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Speaker 4: We're joined with our super producer Paul, Mission Control decand

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Speaker 4: most importantly, you are you. You are here. That makes

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Speaker 4: this the stuff they don't want you to know one

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Speaker 3: Folks.

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Speaker 4: We always say you are the most important part of

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Speaker 4: the show. When we say that, because it's true and

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Speaker 4: we love hearing from you, which is why every week

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Speaker 4: we like to take a break. We like to share

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Speaker 4: your reports from your fellow conspiracy realists. We got a

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Speaker 4: lot of react to our episode on ghost kitchens, which

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Speaker 4: was pretty fun. We're going to get some reactions to

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Speaker 4: our EVP episode. We're gonna get We're gonna have some

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Speaker 4: letters from home shout outs at the end, and before

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Speaker 4: we do any of that, there is a letter that

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Speaker 4: I think stood out to all of us about something

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Speaker 4: strange occurring in Utah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, something rotten in Utah. Well, maybe not rotten, but

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Speaker 5: a little unusual. Let's just say I'm gonna jump right

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Speaker 5: into us. This is an email that came to us

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Speaker 5: from Mama Dino, seemingly quite shrewd listener. Some very fun

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Speaker 5: caveats here in this email starting off longtime listener and

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Speaker 5: most of the time I like you guys most.

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Speaker 3: Of the time.

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Speaker 4: Well, these are, by the way, my favorite parts of

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Speaker 4: this letter.

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Speaker 5: Well, figot, I was wondering if you guys have heard

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Speaker 5: of all the carbon monoxide poisonings happening in southern Utah

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Speaker 5: this last month. I first started hearing about them when

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Speaker 5: my cousin, who lives in Severe maybe Severe I think

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Speaker 5: it's spelled Severe County, his heater went out, which you

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Speaker 5: would think is normal every once in a while. But

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Speaker 5: just a week later, a Latter Day Saints church building

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Speaker 5: in Monroe poisoned nearly fifty people from their faulty heating system.

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Speaker 5: Monroe is a small town, so surrounding cities and counties

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Speaker 5: had to send out multiple ambulances to transfer all patients

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Speaker 5: to the hospitals, and then they provided a link. This

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Speaker 5: is true such a small town or area that they

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Speaker 5: didn't have enough ambulances in their own Cash of emergency responders,

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Speaker 5: so they had to know outsources from surrounding counties. I

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Speaker 5: live in Cedar City, which is one and a half

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Speaker 5: with Cedar CITYPDS, so I hear a lot about what

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Speaker 5: carbon monoxide calls than usual, and we are only in January.

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Speaker 5: Then on Friday, the nineteenth of this year, Canyonview Middle

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Speaker 5: School had to be evacuated for carbon monoxide poisoning. This

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Speaker 5: is the text that was sent out from the school district.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know about you, Matt, but I get

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Speaker 5: these from my kids' school all the time. Like the

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Speaker 5: formatting of them is very familiar. ISCD Alert parents, guardians,

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Speaker 5: and staff. We understand your concerns about the carbon monoxide contamination.

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Speaker 5: The building has been monitored and cleared multiple times by

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Speaker 5: the Cedar City Fire Department and Dominion Energy. Kind of

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Speaker 5: a sinister name for an energy company.

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Speaker 4: If you have you tell has got a lot of

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Speaker 4: companies with sinister names.

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Speaker 3: Clear it would seem so yeah.

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Speaker 5: A cause has not been identified today Sunday, January twenty first,

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Speaker 5: a National Guard has met team has been called in

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Speaker 5: jeez and is currently thoroughly testing the building. We will

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Speaker 5: communicate more information to you this afternoon once that investigation

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Speaker 5: is complete. Update just stated that the middle school will

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Speaker 5: what they do next. I just feel like this is

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Speaker 5: a lot of coincidences of carbon monoxide poisonings so close

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Speaker 5: together within different cities. Thanks for the podcast that keeps

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Speaker 5: me saying is a stay at home mom, and sometimes

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Speaker 5: y'all help me fall asleep.

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Speaker 3: Sincerely, Mama Diina.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes it's great to hear from you too, Mama de

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Speaker 4: They really I'm just kidding. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 5: Think, well, yeah, you know, and it does sound I

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Speaker 5: perhaps you know that is unfamiliar to too many, perhaps

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Speaker 3: To conspiratorial places pretty.

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Speaker 5: Quickly, as though this is some sort of I don't know,

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Speaker 5: Like we obviously have no details tying any of these

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Speaker 3: There was no carbon monoxide.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't about carbon monoxide. It was about just the

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Speaker 4: Without having the governor or regulatory safety measures working exactly.

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Speaker 5: The thermostat was busted, and it basically just like didn't

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Speaker 2: I do think when it gets into cold temperatures and

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Speaker 4: I think inclement weather and lack of maintenance are are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it could be tremendously expensive to keep that

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Speaker 2: Oh it's working. I'm not going to think about my

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Speaker 4: Because I have other more immediate problems. And also, you know,

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Speaker 4: shout out to we have a lot of the LDS

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Speaker 4: conspiracy realist in the crowd. We have a lot of

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Speaker 4: listeners from Utah. Some of our friends and colleagues live

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Speaker 4: in Utah. Shout out to the Casual Preppers podcast. Interesting

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Speaker 4: to see, Oh I missed. Yeah, Oh they're great guys.

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Speaker 3: Well, I see what you can.

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Speaker 4: Will hang out with them later, I'm sure, I hope.

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Speaker 2: So, so this is a thing that I'm imagining, especially

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Speaker 2: right now. If you're looking around, you are seeing a

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Speaker 4: So it may not be just a Utah thing.

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Speaker 5: Nice, It's a cold snap all around the damn country

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Speaker 4: Literally, all you have to do is search for carbon

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a very good point, and I'm sorry this

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: There's that other story, Matt about the folks that froze

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Speaker 5: I'm just showing how crazy the temperatures have been lately.

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Speaker 4: There's another very similar case in Ohio, where an Ohio

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Speaker 4: I don't think you should criminalize being unhoused, and that's

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Speaker 4: something that parts of the US seem to be trending toward.

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Speaker 4: But then again, if you house somebody and you don't

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Speaker 3: I learned nothing about it. Guys.

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Speaker 2: that it has a lot to do with an infrastructure problem.

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Speaker 4: It's also in that case they had a a lot

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Speaker 2: But it just made me think of on house people, right,

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Speaker 2: And Ben, I drove through that storm. Everything seemed fine

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Speaker 2: Danger always win.

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Speaker 4: But like, what can be done though, in terms of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean something's better than nothing. But yeah, get

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Speaker 4: You guys want to go in on it, absolutely, it's reasonable.

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Speaker 4: We're very fun at parties for sure.

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Speaker 5: Well, thank you Mamadino for this this tip, and I

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Speaker 2: We're back drinking a cucumber lime Celsius, and I still

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Speaker 5: I don't like eating a cucumber, but I do like

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh, I take it back to One great use

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Speaker 5: Sorry, everybody stop writing about take some cucumbers from the day, guys.

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Speaker 4: If you want if you want advice for good cucumber

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Speaker 2: Also not sponsored by Celsius, but we would so be

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, this is Blake Move. You guys were just

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Speaker 7: because you show up it's Biscuits Cafe and you're picking

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Speaker 7: I'm a really fast driver. I'm a fast delivery guy.

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Speaker 4: Biscuits is just a great word to put in the

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Speaker 4: Oh, I remember this story. Also, I have a pitch

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Speaker 4: for you, Matt. What if we just as Since we

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Speaker 4: don't we just gift him with a nickname. Let's call

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Speaker 4: Nicky biscuits.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's a good.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's it. That's it.

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Speaker 4: Why do they call them nicky biscuits? You pray you

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Speaker 3: That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: But hey, let's get those stickers up on those ghost kitchens. Everybody.

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Speaker 2: If you're a proprietor of a kitchen that is also

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Speaker 2: to our next person here. Grumpy Texan has had a

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Speaker 8: I guess Grumpy Texan here been listening for a little while.

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Speaker 8: First time caller anyway, Yeah, I was listening to all

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Speaker 8: the show on the ghost kitchens, and funny enough, that

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Speaker 9: We were two Texan guys that were working in New

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Speaker 4: Got Charles entertained for sure, chocolate chips on the Chuck

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Speaker 2: the first couple of times I traveled to New York

441
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 2: and it's like, man, I need to find some pizza.

442
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: I keep hearing about this pizza and then you'd go

443
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 2: to a raise and it's not the right one and

444
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: you're just like, oh, that was kind of subpar.

445
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got to tell you, man, New York has

446
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 4: such an amazing food culture. I've always felt like, if

447
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 4: you are just looking for good, regular, non fancy pizza,

448
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 4: go to the place it looks like a money laundry operation,

449
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Because and sure, I mean,

450
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 4: maybe don't open with that when you talk with them,

451
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 4: but just like be in the know about that and

452
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 4: be aware that you should probably have cash. And yeah,

453
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 4: there is that bait and switch though, especially because so

454
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 4: many people are using for convenience or sometimes for necessity,

455
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 4: are using delivery apps, and what you're typically looking for

456
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 4: in those apps, especially if you're in a new city

457
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 4: or a city in which you don't live, then you're

458
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 4: looking for the kind of food you want more often

459
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 4: than you're looking for a specific restaurant by name, right,

460
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,479
Speaker 4: so exactly, so then you you say, Okay, this pizza

461
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 4: looks good or based on the pictures from this place

462
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 4: I've never heard of, right, and they capitalized. And I'm

463
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 4: really happy we did the Ghost Kitchens episode. I think

464
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:10,719
Speaker 4: we were fair about it.

465
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: Oh, I think so too. Mission Control. We're gonna keep

466
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: shouting you out this episode. He brought up a place

467
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 2: that he recently ordered from somewhere in New York City

468
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: called Wonder Wonder. It's a really interesting concept to me.

469
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 2: It feels like it's exactly what we described in the

470
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 2: Cloud Kitchen ghost Kitchen thing, where it appears to be

471
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: brick and mortar stores that are maybe one huge kitchen

472
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 2: and if you order from here from this one location,

473
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 2: when there are a bunch of locations actually, so a

474
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: bunch of these all over the place. You can get

475
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 2: food from like a dozen different seemingly high end restaurants

476
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: that's all cooked there in that one place.

477
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Speaker 5: But like they're really leaning into it and presenting it

478
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,479
Speaker 5: as a feature not a bug, you know, whereas some

479
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 5: of the I think the weirdness in our reporting on

480
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 5: the ghost kitchen phenomenon is folks being a little bit

481
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 5: shady about it, you know, as in the case with

482
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 5: this pizza box from you know, Chuck E Cheese. But like,

483
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 5: I think it's smart if done correctly. But Paul did

484
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 5: point out he felt that the food was good. Weirdly, though,

485
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 5: two of the franchises that are contained within this wonder

486
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 5: that Paul went to are two Atlanta based companies, which

487
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 5: I did not know that either of these existed in

488
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 5: New York. Ones called Fred's Meat and Bread, which is

489
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 5: really really good like Phillies and Burghers, and the other

490
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 5: one is Chaipani, which is kind of up plussed up

491
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 5: Indian food.

492
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Speaker 3: But Paul said it was good.

493
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Speaker 5: But the idea, though I believe, is that it's one

494
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 5: cook you know, or a group of cooks doing all

495
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 5: the food for all the places. So there could be consistencies,

496
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 5: you know, if you're having to know two large of

497
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 5: a menu. But there are certain types of restaurants that

498
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 5: would be more suited for this type of treatment, places

499
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Speaker 5: that don't have mass of menus.

500
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Speaker 3: Sure right, yeah, so it could be done well. It

501
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 3: could be done well.

502
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 4: And we're not vilifying these things at all. We just

503
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 4: we believe that people should be to the point about deception.

504
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 4: We believe that transparency is key with this kind of stuff.

505
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 4: And these are hard working chefs, they are making good food.

506
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 4: It is, as we spend so much time exploring in

507
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 4: that episode, restaurants are an incredibly tough business. It is cutthroat,

508
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 4: is brutal. But also, you know, one thing we didn't

509
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 4: mention is something that I imagine common in many Western

510
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 4: cities is the pop up kitchen. Right. That's kind of

511
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 4: like a ghost kitchen, because you have a brand that

512
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 4: goes to a restaurant that may not They may just

513
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 4: want to give somebody a chance right to pitch their stuff,

514
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 4: and so you'll go to your typical whatever the You'll

515
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 4: go to your typical nikky biscuits and then you'll find

516
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 4: that tonight instead of their usual dinner menu, there's the

517
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 4: two hands pop up, and that is not seen as

518
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 4: misleading or anything, because again people are being transparent about

519
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 4: it and it's a cool way to try new things.

520
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 4: But but yeah, I I I don't know, man. I

521
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 4: think ghost kitchens are gonna continue. I think they're gonna

522
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 4: I think this trend is gonna escalate. What do you think?

523
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean this feels like the future to me.

524
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: I guys, I made a terrible mistake. Oh no, my

525
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 2: friend Nick does not make biscuits in New York. He

526
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 2: makes them in Los Angeles.

527
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 4: Okay, Nicky biscuits still holds, I think.

528
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 5: So, hey, man, better than ever, dude, no harm, no

529
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 5: foul and other expressions.

530
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could look him up. His name's Nick Westbrook.

531
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: Amazing actor. Again, I haven't talked to him a long time.

532
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: Hopefully he's still an awesome person because he was when

533
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: I knew him. All Right, there, he goes, sorry that. Hey,

534
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: we've got one more message you guys. Yeah, this is

535
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: from I'm gonna call him Fi guy, pretty fly for

536
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 2: a FI guy. Here we go and play.

537
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 6: Hi, I'm a public health inspector in Canada, and I've

538
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 6: just been listening to your episode on ghost kitchens, and

539
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 6: I think you're assuming, well, it seems that you're assuming

540
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 6: that a lot of the ghost kitchens out there are

541
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 6: inspected and that we even know about them, And in

542
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 6: a lot of cases we don't. These places will pop up,

543
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 6: they'll have four or five kitchens running out of them,

544
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 6: and we won't know until an inspector goes out and

545
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 6: takes a look at an area, finds one of these

546
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 6: restaurants and sees that suddenly, this pizza place has a

547
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 6: bunch of Mister Best Burger boxes in it. So now

548
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 6: you've got a person that works in a pizza place

549
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 6: cooking your burger. And that's the best case scenario that

550
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 6: we catch them. It could be just a garage out

551
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 6: in the middle of nowhere, a food truck parked in

552
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 6: the field. God knows what they've got for equipment, God

553
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 6: knows what they've got for training. Did I know how

554
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 6: to cook a burger?

555
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 8: You know?

556
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 6: Are they cooking it wrong? I don't know. I know

557
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 6: in the States you can buy a raw burger, can't

558
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 6: do it here in Canada. I think you need to

559
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 6: talk to someone in the health field and find out

560
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 6: what kind of conditions a lot of these places operate in.

561
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 6: Set that backing up rat's roads, improper cooking techniques, not

562
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 6: available refrigerators, It's it's a mess. Ghost kitchens are a

563
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 6: nightmare for us. We've had an application here someone who

564
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 6: wants to operate with twelve places operating out of a

565
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 6: place besides just a small garage. So love the show.

566
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 6: I can't wait to hear what more you're going to

567
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 6: do our best?

568
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 4: Thanks, ooh ooh, dog with a ball, Matt, you got

569
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Speaker 4: to me, sir, I think we I think that is

570
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 4: an excellent point.

571
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: We got.

572
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 4: We got to dive in. I didn't know it was

573
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 4: so easy, but I guess you could do it pretty

574
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 4: off the book, so huh.

575
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I guess you can. What he described, though,

576
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: sounded a lot like Wonder a very small location in

577
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: New York City, because we know that space is at

578
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: a very very much a pre They're in New York

579
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: City and all boroughs and all the places, and they

580
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: are They've got a ton of locations that Wonder place,

581
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 2: and they're running of at least a dozen kitchens out

582
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: of there. So I mean it sounds like something that

583
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: would potentially be above board in the United States. At

584
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: least it changes things when you got a whole different,

585
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: you know, set of regulations you're working on in Canada

586
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: and in other countries. So we need to go international

587
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 2: with this thing.

588
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 4: I'm in okay, so Papua New Guinea in Canada, and

589
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 4: then I get and then I guess we'll add a

590
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 4: third for rule of three. But but that is that

591
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 4: is disturbing too, because just thinking through this, you guys,

592
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 4: all right, you position a ghost kitchen. So your main

593
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 4: your main platforms of business are going to be delivery apps.

594
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 4: Delivery apps, do they require documentation of like health code

595
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 4: and then you know your score like here in the

596
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 4: UNIP so I don't know how it works in Canada,

597
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 4: but you know here in the US, any restaurant you

598
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 4: go to is supposed to have their little worksheet with

599
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 4: their health score displayed somewhere, and that's always fun to

600
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 4: read while you're waiting for the takeout.

601
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 5: Do you guys have a minimum score like that will

602
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 5: cause you to not walk out if you see it.

603
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: I'm like eighty five. Eighty five is okay?

604
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 5: That seems I know, maybe that seems like I got

605
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 5: real low standards.

606
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: But you got to you got to read the thing.

607
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: If you read the thing, they didn't tell you why. Yeah,

608
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: like they get a perfect score. Oh but they also

609
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: have rats and you go, well bye.

610
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: Man.

611
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 5: If you know anything from watching like Kitchen Nightmare type shows, Uh,

612
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 5: oftentimes people will get a bad score because of something

613
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 5: silly that they're just missed, that wasn't necessarily an egregious

614
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 5: you know, oversight or systematic problem. And then oftentimes they

615
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 5: will fix it even if you know, sometimes it don't

616
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 5: even make the news, like beloved restaurant fails health inspection,

617
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 5: and then.

618
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 3: They can make it right. Or might it's a really

619
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: good point then.

620
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, agreed, Or it could be it could be a

621
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 4: problem that is beyond their control, like it's something under

622
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 4: the onus of the owner of the building and they're

623
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 4: leasing the space. That can happen. But then also to

624
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 4: answer question, I'm not going to name names, but there's

625
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 4: a for a long time there's been a couple pretty

626
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 4: famous restaurants in an area of our town called Buford Highway,

627
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 4: and they're legit and they're amazing. And there's one that

628
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 4: I went to regularly even when the score was eighty three.

629
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, me too.

630
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I stand by eighty five.

631
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 5: I would, you know, if it was a place I loved,

632
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 5: I would, I would go as low as eighty three.

633
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: Well, one of my favorite Bangladeshi restaurants that's out there,

634
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: and it's not the one maybe we're all thinking about

635
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: the one that shut down that was my favorite.

636
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 4: It's not Panahr. It was so good, it was so good.

637
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: Josh Clark, I'm sorry, man, I'm sorry we even brought

638
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: it up. If you hear this in the ether somehow

639
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: on the streets, bro. But there's another one there that

640
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: is still one of It's one of my favorite places

641
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: to get food from, and it regularly has a low score.

642
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: I watched staff members come out into the dining room

643
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: area and shuck eggs. Just watched them doing it out there.

644
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think one shucks corn.

645
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 4: Eggs.

646
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: These are special.

647
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 4: Cigarette dangling in the staying wife guys.

648
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 5: Sometimes that's a badge of honor, sign of quality, you know,

649
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 5: greasy spoon, you know that kind of.

650
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 4: I am a friend of Chinatown's across the country.

651
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 6: Man.

652
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, if I if, I especially if I see and

653
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 4: this is such profiling. If I see an older dude

654
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 4: who is clearly over it and looks like kind of

655
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 4: bored with whatever he's doing, and the apron or like

656
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 4: the clothing is kind of dirty and stained, I feel

657
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 4: like it's legit. I'm like, you know what, but forget

658
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 4: a menu. I'm gonna ask the guy what I should have.

659
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 5: Man, this cigarette dangling an inch of ash niggers, you know,

660
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 5: falls into the ragou.

661
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 3: You know, seasoning there it is.

662
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 4: I also feel like we should mention first, Yes, we

663
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 4: need to look at the health code stuff in future episode.

664
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 4: But I agree with the point about reading reading the

665
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 4: details of the health inspection report because it's possible that

666
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 4: someplace has a high score. But then, like you said,

667
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 4: they have something egregious. You know, it's like two unidentified

668
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 4: feet in the two unidentified severed feet in walking cooler?

669
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 4: Ninety three?

670
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: Can you get a ninety three with that kind of offense?

671
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 5: You didn't see the thing that was some meme maybe

672
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 5: it was on Reddit or four chan, but some like

673
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 5: subway employee uh took a picture of them standing in

674
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 5: like one of those two pan things of lettuce, and

675
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 5: I was like, this is the lettuce you're eating?

676
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 3: A movie.

677
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 5: It was Burger King, but you know the the eagle

678
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 5: eyed Internet swarm immediately identified exactly which Burger King this

679
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 5: was and got the guy promptly fired.

680
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: Oh, no good, no.

681
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 3: Good at all.

682
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 2: Well that's all today on Ghost Kitchens. Thank you, Blake,

683
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: Grumpy Texan and public Health inspector Guy. We will be

684
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 2: right back with more messages from you.

685
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 4: And we have returned. This one is going to be

686
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 4: a bit of a round up, folks, a bit of

687
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 4: a compilation at the end, because there's a lot of

688
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 4: cool things we want to get to and as always,

689
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 4: it's a wonderful problem to have. We can't get to everyone,

690
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 4: so we're just going to have to keep doing this show,

691
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 4: which is awesome. First, Matt, you brought this to my mind.

692
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 4: We want to thank our pals Josh and Chuck. A

693
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: little while back, Josh reached out to me and said

694
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 4: he was working started asking me questions about Esperanto. For

695
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 4: anybody who knows Josh, one of the cool things is,

696
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 4: like many of us, how stuff works. People will just

697
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 4: sort of, well, we'll just come to each other and

698
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 4: then maybe not with a lot of context, start asking

699
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 4: really specific questions of scientific stuff or scientific nature anyway,

700
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 4: So shout out Josh and Chuck. They just did a

701
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 4: banger of an episode on how Esperanto works for all

702
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 4: the word nerds out there, and they gave us some

703
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 4: nice shout outs. So appreciate you, guys, and good luck

704
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 4: to everybody who is learning esperanto. Just figure would we

705
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 4: would say that? And also aren't they on tour again

706
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 4: right now?

707
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: Maybe they should be.

708
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 5: They always are doing little one off things here and there.

709
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 5: Great thing to catch if they come to your town.

710
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, good, good thing to catch when they come

711
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 4: through your town. Perfectly said. We have another another letter

712
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 4: I want to read in part from someone responding to

713
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 4: our episode on electronic voice phenomenon ghost in the Machine.

714
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 4: This is from George, who says, who talks about some

715
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 4: of the stuff that they learned in the course of

716
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 4: ghost hunting and investigations. Also, thank you to everybody who

717
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 4: wrote in about ghost hunting and your experience with it.

718
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 4: He says, the following one group had rules around collecting

719
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 4: audio recordings. I don't recall all of them, but these

720
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 4: came to mind, and this I think hits directly on

721
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 4: our conversation about methodology right in the science of this,

722
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 4: so first quote, we would make sure to dangle our

723
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 4: recorders from our wrist with straps and not move around

724
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 4: while recording. This would ensure we weren't introducing sounds with

725
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,760
Speaker 4: subconscious movements of our hands or creating sounds with movement

726
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 4: of air. So it's kind of similar to like the

727
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 4: wich aboard argument, right it is.

728
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: I would just say they make these things called tripods

729
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: that you can attach equipment. Sorry, just me, in my mind,

730
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: dangling from a risk is precarious, that's all.

731
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

732
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 5: Can I just give a little shout out to a

733
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 5: product that I believe made its debut on one of

734
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 5: those shark tank type shows and I was hooked into

735
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 5: it by an Instagram ad. And it's a very flexible tripod.

736
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 5: I think it's called like the squid or something like that.

737
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 5: It's a very flexible tripod that has like little suction

738
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 5: cups on it and you can stick it to a wall,

739
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 5: stick it anywhere, or wrap the little leggies around different

740
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 5: you know things to mount it in different ways, and

741
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 5: it's really really really cool. It's called tentacle, that's what

742
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 5: it's called.

743
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 3: Sorry. Also eldritche Vibes.

744
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 2: Yes and the job Gorilla pod that we like to

745
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: use in video production.

746
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 3: For very similar to that. It has suction cups, you guys,

747
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: suction cups.

748
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 4: And so there's another slight issue which I think we're

749
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 4: all aware of here, which is if you've ever done

750
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 4: the pendulum experiment, it's a great way to see how unconscious,

751
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 4: small muscle movement can be altered by your thought alone.

752
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 4: The experiment is very simple. You can play along at home.

753
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 4: You hold some weighted object by a string, something pendulum esque,

754
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 4: and then you as it's stankling, you start thinking about

755
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 4: it going up and down right like back and forth,

756
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 4: or moving in a circle, and as you think about

757
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 4: what path you want it to take, it will do

758
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 4: that because your hand is subconsciously moving.

759
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 5: It really is interesting too, the idea of think about

760
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 5: this as hard as you can, and like, you know,

761
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 5: you could maybe make the jump that you're moving it

762
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 5: with your mind, but you kind of are, because your

763
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 5: mind is sending signals to your hand that you're not

764
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 5: even aware of that are causing it to change direction,

765
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 5: but you're not exactly sending, you know, psychic beams into

766
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 5: the string.

767
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 4: Everybody has the power of mind over matter. In the

768
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 4: vast majority of proven cases. I'll go ahead and say

769
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 4: in all of the proven cases, it just turns out

770
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 4: the matter that your mind controls is your body.

771
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 2: Right, bro, Think about if you stand on one foot

772
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 2: and you're balancing on one foot, are you consciously telling

773
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: your body how to balance and like which micro movements

774
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: to make to maintain balance or.

775
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 4: Does the pro preception just kick in right? Like how

776
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 4: can you how can you close your eyes and touch

777
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 4: your nose without looking? It's pro preception, right, It's the

778
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 4: reason some people puke when they play games like Mirror's Edge.

779
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 4: Is that the one the park Woor game?

780
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first person running across buildings.

781
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, some people don't don't find VR comfortable either, Right,

782
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 4: And you guys put on the VR headsets and like

783
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 4: walked by, you know, a precipice or a cliff in

784
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 4: the game.

785
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 3: Matt introduced me to it one time when he came over.

786
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 5: He used the first one that I knew that had

787
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 5: the newer edition of the Oculus Rift of the time.

788
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 5: And there's this game called Plant Game where it's like,

789
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 5: you know, graphics that are of the level of like

790
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 5: the Sims from the nineties, but you go up in

791
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 5: this elevator, and then the whole game is to walk

792
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 5: out on this plank and your mind just accepts what

793
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 5: is being presented because it is so immersive. And the

794
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 5: first time I tried to do it, I literally couldn't

795
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 5: do it. I'm in my living room. I know I'm

796
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,959
Speaker 5: in my living room. I feel the carboner on my feet,

797
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 5: but I couldn't force myself to do it. I have

798
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 5: since done it, and it's still you know, God, the

799
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 5: mind is a very fascinating thing the way it just

800
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 5: has to It has the ability to.

801
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 3: Just convince you something is real, even if you know

802
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: it's not.

803
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 4: You have to push against your instincts there, and there's

804
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 4: a very good reason that your mind will say no,

805
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 4: that is one hundred foot drop and you're like, no,

806
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 4: I'm in my living room. They're like yeah, but just

807
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 4: in case we're trying to stay alive here you guys.

808
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm so sorry. I don't want to interject

809
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: another tangent here. In the news recently, there was a

810
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: murder case that had to do with something I'd never

811
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: heard of before. Cannabis induced psychosis.

812
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 3: Oh you that the other day?

813
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, marijuana madness.

814
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was used in a case, and the

815
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: woman who was accused of stabbing your boyfriend a hundred

816
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: times got probation for that because she smoked weed and

817
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: was experiencing this thing. We got to talk about that

818
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: at some point she.

819
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 4: Got she got found successful of having an amazing lawyer.

820
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 3: It's in the library. Yeah, it's trigger, it's not.

821
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 5: It's not as for anybody you got to have pre

822
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 5: existing like right, trigger schizophrenia essentially.

823
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: But it's just stuff that's happening in that closed room, right,

824
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 2: And we're just like, what, Okay.

825
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 4: It's happening in the mind. And then uh, let's go

826
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 4: back to this because I do want to for anybody

827
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 4: who's interested in pursuing EVAP, I think it'll be helpful

828
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 4: to get a sense of how people apply rigor to this,

829
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 4: to this search. So we talked at length about the

830
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 4: idea of trying to reduce subconscious movements of hands or

831
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 4: movement of air. George continues. We would always pair off

832
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 4: so that there were at least two sets of eyes

833
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 4: and ears for any session. If we heard sounds, we

834
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 4: would identify them allowed for the recorder. The process was

835
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 4: to ask a question, wait a few minutes, then ask

836
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 4: another question. This was because ostensibly it could take time

837
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 4: for responses to occur. We'd also keep recordings to This

838
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 4: is interesting. This is kind of counterintuitive to me. They

839
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 4: said we would keep recordings down to ten to fifteen

840
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 4: minutes or so, largely because reviewing the data takes about

841
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 4: as long as it takes to record it in the

842
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 4: first place. So they're not I don't know what you

843
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 4: guys think, but I I guess I had just lazily imagined.

844
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 4: I haven't done EVP research, but I had just lazily

845
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 4: imagined that you would set a recorder in an empty

846
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 4: room overnight or something like that, and then try to party.

847
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: That you did. Matt, wasn't it in your old house?

848
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: No, I actually kept it over night. I completely agree

849
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: with this part, because you do. Again, if you're reviewing

850
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: a piece of tape and it's say ten minutes right,

851
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 2: you're listening back to that tape after you've recorded it

852
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: in real time, trying to notice if there's anything maybe

853
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 2: then enhancing it, turning up the gain or something. Listening

854
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: back to that full ten minutes again making a change

855
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: the way with audio is being filtered to enhance something else.

856
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 2: Listening back to that ten minutes, it could take forever.

857
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 2: I think that's probably a smart move.

858
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, that makes sense, especially considering like how deep

859
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 4: you want to go into analysis, You're going to spend

860
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 4: a lot a lot of time with those minutes. And

861
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 4: then adds this that I definitely appreciate this point. We

862
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 4: acted and spoke in a respectful manner at all times,

863
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 4: so for example, we would not actively enrage a ghost

864
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 4: just to get a response out of them. And what

865
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 4: I'm doing, my friend, that makes you so much better

866
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 4: than so many of those ghost hunting shows where they're like,

867
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 4: come on, broh, come on, if you're here, hit a cabinet. Brouh.

868
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 4: I'm tho scared.

869
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like that's the only way to go.

870
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: You just you've got to get in their grill, you know.

871
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 4: I feel like that establishes living People don't want to

872
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 4: hang out with you. Much of.

873
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 3: This is why you have no friends and have a

874
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,479
Speaker 3: failing ghost hunting show.

875
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 4: Oh boy on, oh gosh. Yeah uh, but you know,

876
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 4: it's a it's a tough gig. And in their defense,

877
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 4: the producers have a lot to do with how people

878
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 4: are portrayed in reality shows, So we don't know oh,

879
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 4: no question. We don't know how they're getting set up.

880
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 5: Sorry, Zach, we act yeah, you know, funny story, not

881
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:31,959
Speaker 5: to derail really quickly.

882
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: Just Paul will know about this. He and I worked

883
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: on a.

884
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 5: Pilot or a sizzle for a reality show, uh with

885
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 5: the unfortunate name of the Underground Runway. It was about

886
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 5: like some Buckhead, which is like a kind of suburb

887
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 5: here in Atlanta, of like fancy moms that we're looking

888
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 5: to set up a side business of a of a

889
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 5: clothing line in their basement.

890
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: Underground Runway.

891
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 5: You didn't really vet that one through, but man, we

892
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 5: saw some stuff where the producer was just.

893
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 3: Feeding lines to you know, the talent quote unquote. It

894
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: was nothing, was real. It was all manufacturer Silverado.

895
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 4: Remember that poll, He says, ha ha, yep. It's also

896
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 4: I remember hearing this story too. There's also a good

897
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 4: point that our pal raises in the CVP letter. George says,

898
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 4: we were doing this because we wanted to collect data

899
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 4: in as uniform and scientifical way as we could. While

900
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 4: we did try to adhere to our rules, I don't

901
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 4: think we could call any of our data scientific, nor

902
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 4: do I think that any ghost hunter can shots fired. George,

903
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 4: consider that scientific data has criteria requires controlled experimental circumstances,

904
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 4: minimizing variables. Then consider how difficult it is to create

905
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 4: tests with regular humans. Then add in the fact that

906
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 4: ghost hunters are attempting to generate responses from what amounts

907
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 4: to invisible humans, so they don't know if the humans

908
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 4: are there to test. And this is where he introduces

909
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 4: a phrase. I think it's cool word of the day

910
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 4: Portmanteau anec data like anecdote, but data. I hope. I

911
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 4: wish you could see the faces there, George. I think

912
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 4: we're all in love with this term. He says with

913
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 4: ghost hunting, annec data gives us the preponderance of evidence

914
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 4: we need to know in order to decide whether something

915
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 4: is worth pursuing. So I think that's a very fair

916
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 4: and even minded way to go about it. And I

917
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 4: don't know, guys, should we have done that ghost hunting

918
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 4: show years back?

919
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: Which one?

920
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 4: Which one? Yeah, that's a that's a good question. We

921
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 4: would get these We would get these questions from different

922
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 4: companies and they would say, hey, you guys want to

923
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 4: do a ghost hunting show with us?

924
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: The show we should have done was called Silverado, that's

925
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: the one we should have done.

926
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 4: That, that's what we should have done, and what the

927
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 4: malundon silver mines. Yep, yeah, all right, so we'll we'll

928
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 4: show this up here. We've got a couple of things

929
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 4: we'll just call letters from Home. In response to our

930
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:09,319
Speaker 4: classic episode on Superpowers, this was Superpowers Part two. We

931
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 4: talked about ring finger mobility, and we got a lot

932
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 4: of people just flexen, literally flexing on us. So shout

933
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 4: out to Amir who says ring finger and mobility. I

934
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 4: wasn't aware this was something most people can't do, and

935
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 4: I don't think any of us can do it right

936
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 4: Where you move your ring finger independently? Oh you can

937
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 4: do it down, but can you do it up?

938
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Speaker 2: No?

939
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 3: I can't.

940
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: I can't do anything with it. Sorry, guys, really this

941
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: if I do my doing it, I do it. Never mind,

942
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: I'm doing it. Are I boarding on? Inappropriates pinky though?

943
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 4: Isn't it?

944
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 3: Oh ring finger? Sorry? Oh no, it's it's stuck. It's

945
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 3: frozen ring finger. Ring finger is completely immobile.

946
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 4: We also we also hear from the part of my

947
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 4: pronunciation here the Wayne Garoa kid who says hello from

948
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 4: Wayne Garua o tioa iologized that spelling is a O

949
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 4: T E A R O A and says the following,

950
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 4: I have good finger control? Am I a superhero? And

951
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 4: this one also came attached with a picture of the

952
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 4: person actually doing this, So there's evidence maybe we're behind

953
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 4: the curve, because everyone who wrote in about this ring

954
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 4: finger stuff seemed surprised that other people can't do it.

955
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 4: I guess it's like rolling your tongue or the taste

956
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 4: of cilantro right, one of those little genetic works we

957
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 4: all get.

958
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 2: I think so. I think so wing Grello, by the way,

959
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 2: is New Zealand, New Zealand.

960
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 3: I can't do it with my other hand. I'm sorry.

961
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 3: I'm doing the.

962
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 4: Livelong progress, which is the blessing the coining when you

963
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 4: do it with both hands. And then we heard from

964
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 4: a lot of people recently on the Ai Harlan stuff

965
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 4: the family is suing really ye and shout out to

966
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 4: a frame who a framed, a long time contributor, fellow

967
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 4: conspiracy realist. And I think your recent correspondence kind of

968
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 4: sums up what a lot of people have told us

969
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 4: after hearing that story quote, I don't like Ai Carlin.

970
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 4: I first heard him when I was nine with my

971
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 4: dad and his seven words of words I used to

972
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 4: help with my chronic stutter. His content means a lot

973
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 4: to me. I'm glad you guys don't like Ai Carlin too, agreed.

974
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 3: Bro, I cutely agree.

975
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 5: There there was a sort of a little tone death

976
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 5: as a bit of satire.

977
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: You know, we missed a part of that that we

978
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 2: should have discussed, guys, And I didn't hear it until after,

979
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 2: and I was more curious. But Ben, you said you'd

980
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: listened to the whole thing, and I was like, oh man,

981
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 2: maybe I need to listen to this thing. There's a

982
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: section in there where Ai Carlin says, in the future,

983
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: it will just be us. It will be the AI

984
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 2: versions of all your favorite comedians and actors, and they're

985
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 2: going to replace all the newscasters, cause who's better at

986
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 2: telling you what's going on than comedians. And he's like,

987
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: there will be twenty four hour, three hundred and sixty

988
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 2: five day year feeds of comedians talking about current events,

989
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 2: what's happening, and doing it through the specific lens and

990
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: just basically Ai Carlin paints a picture of proliferation and

991
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: kind of a dystopia, but also an interesting concept.

992
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I don't think I remember that, and it

993
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 4: is it is interesting. It is, to be honest, it

994
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 4: is the kind of thing Carlin would plausibly bring up

995
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 4: very alive to do us at. This is true.

996
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: If that happened, guys, we would always know what Ja

997
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: Rule is thinking.

998
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 4: Thank God about ghost kitchens. I tried to. I texted him,

999
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 4: He's like, I can't talk. I'm doing EVP stuff.

1000
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 3: Yes, definably knows where he was.

1001
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 5: I just want to add to I've been seeing lately

1002
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 5: on various Instagram accounts and such that I follow these

1003
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 5: very riskque AI renderings of Taylor Swift kind of like

1004
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 5: almost in the style of key art for like Grand

1005
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 5: Theft Auto games, as like a sex worker kind of

1006
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 5: you know, exotic dancer kind of situation, like wearing you know,

1007
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 5: g strings and fish nets and being fondled and stuff,

1008
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 5: pretty pretty raunchy stuff. I immediately was like, this is odd,

1009
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 5: and I showed it to my girlfriend, who immediately.

1010
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 3: Said, Taylor's not gonna like that.

1011
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 5: And sure enough, the very next day, maybe even the

1012
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 5: same day, it was saying Taylor Swift pursuing legal action

1013
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 5: against creators of these AI renderings of.

1014
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 4: Her gonna be tough to do it because it's just

1015
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 4: a creepy escalation of those those dudes who would photoshop

1016
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 4: celebrities faces and stuff.

1017
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 5: And these are very stylized. No one is looking at

1018
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 5: this and believing that that is Taylor Swift. They basically

1019
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 5: look like cartoons, like, you know, like kind of photo

1020
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 5: realistic hyperstyle. I really think the grand theft auto key

1021
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 5: art is a decent analogy, but I do wonder if

1022
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 5: she does find traction, that will certainly set a precedent,

1023
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 5: as she is one of the most visible, powerful and

1024
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 5: wealthy women or people in general in entertainment, So a

1025
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 5: lot of potential there for what could set some presidents.

1026
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 5: But honestly, don't think that she's going to be able to,

1027
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 5: you know, prevent people, for she's a public figure.

1028
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 3: You know.

1029
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: Well, it is kind of like fan art too, right

1030
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: in a.

1031
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 4: Way technically, and also the law is there. The law

1032
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 4: is a very tough time with this. The legislation hasn't

1033
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 4: caught up with the innovation here yet and may not

1034
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 4: because it's decentralized. I want to emphasize that thing I

1035
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 4: mentioned earlier. If it's not familiar to anybody. The Streissand

1036
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 4: effect very real on the Internet that is named after

1037
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 4: I think Barbara Streisand had some unflattering picture. Oh no,

1038
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 4: it's a photo of her house that she didn't want

1039
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 4: out there, and she said, hey, Internet, don't put that anywhere.

1040
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 4: And so the Internet, being decentralized and full of smart

1041
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 4: alex put it everywhere. So it's unfortunately sometimes it's throwing

1042
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 4: gas on the fire you mean to extinguish. And I

1043
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 4: think that's worth exploring all of this and more in

1044
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 4: a future episode. For now, let's call it a day.

1045
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,120
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1046
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,160
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1047
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,040
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1048
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,359
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1049
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,920
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1050
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,799
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1051
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,120
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1052
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:42,680
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1053
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,040
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1054
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,319
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1055
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,360
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1056
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:50,640
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1057
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 5: Hanging around in that ecosystem, you can also find us

1058
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:57,440
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1059
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,960
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1060
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,360
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1061
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,000
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