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Speaker 3: And now your host, Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 4: Today is January thirteenth, twenty twenty five, and we are
Speaker 4: officially one hundred and one days away from the NFL
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Speaker 2: Today we've got Brian brought.
Speaker 4: Us soon to join us, Vatch Lombardi back for his
Speaker 4: second episode, and.
Speaker 2: Then for the first time in the.
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty five NFL Draft process, we welcome the duo
Speaker 4: from one oh five to three the fans, Zach Walchuk,
Speaker 4: Bobby Belt. Glad you guys are back on the Draft
Speaker 4: Show and back with us again today. Enjoyed the snow
Speaker 4: day a little bit, but it just delayed the fact
Speaker 4: that I got.
Speaker 2: To talk draft with you guys.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my my one game suspension for Day three of
Speaker 5: the draft uh in April is over.
Speaker 3: I'm back.
Speaker 5: I had a lot of time to think about what
Speaker 5: I did, and now I'm hearing him ready to go.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of self reflection.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm glad that you realized scouting baby in your ways. Man,
Speaker 6: I'm fired up and I'm excited to uh to be
Speaker 6: here with Voch dude. I mean, we got to do
Speaker 6: a little bit of stuff on YouTube last year. You
Speaker 6: you welcomed me on the show. I've enjoyed a lot
Speaker 6: of your content, and I think we got a great crew.
Speaker 6: I mean, Tommy, I was watching the first episode. Uh, Nick,
Speaker 6: we know is fantastic. I'm shocked at Brian's not on
Speaker 6: time today to make fun of Oh he's running in.
Speaker 2: He's running in. We weren't talking about him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so Jalen Walker the thing about he's not a linebacker.
Speaker 8: But.
Speaker 2: He's an 's an edge. We converted him already.
Speaker 4: That didn't take long, No, it didn't. No, but it's
Speaker 4: good to have you guys back. Bobby's going to get
Speaker 4: another one game suspense engine for just mentioning it. You're
Speaker 4: not going to be here tomorrow, but it'll be back
Speaker 4: on Thursday.
Speaker 2: No, that's the schedule. But yeah, glad to have you
Speaker 2: guys back.
Speaker 4: I saw somebody on Twitter called Nick Harris, the young
Speaker 4: Dane Brugler and I think I tend to agree there,
Speaker 4: but we're not going to talk good about Nick while
Speaker 4: he's off.
Speaker 5: I just saw Nicholas. I just came from Plano. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna see him right after we're getting with this, so
Speaker 5: we go, Yeah, what are you doing out there hanging
Speaker 5: out with draft prospects, guys who are training to get ready.
Speaker 2: How they looking so far?
Speaker 5: It looks like they're doing a lot of stretching and
Speaker 5: a lot of lunges and stuff. Right now. It's really
Speaker 5: in the process.
Speaker 2: Not too deep into the detail.
Speaker 5: No, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not. We're not doing a
Speaker 5: bunch of you know, speed turns or anything else. We're
Speaker 5: just we're lungeing. We're trying to get those muscles activated.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 4: That's what Vauch did on his way in today, just
Speaker 4: to be ready for the draft show.
Speaker 7: I promise I was lunging, but it wasn't football stove.
Speaker 7: Oh okay, just a little boxing stuff but no.
Speaker 2: So lots to talk about.
Speaker 4: Of course, with the draft being now one hundred and
Speaker 4: one day away. Brian and we mentioned this in the
Speaker 4: last episode. I thought by now we would have a
Speaker 4: little clarification as to the future road for this football
Speaker 4: team as their head coach goes, as their entire coaching
Speaker 4: staff go. Don't have any clarification, but what is the
Speaker 4: scouting department doing right now, one hundred days out, looking
Speaker 4: ahead and trying to piece things together as we get
Speaker 4: closer and closer to these All Star games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have what you're looking at right now, as
Speaker 2: you've mentioned, you getting ready for these All Star games.
Speaker 2: But they're also involved in some cross check stuff and
Speaker 2: maybe there's some guys, some juniors that declare that you
Speaker 2: haven't seen. You know, you're trying to kind of organize that,
Speaker 2: get that squared up. But really what you're doing is
Speaker 2: you're getting ready for these All Star games and if
Speaker 2: you maybe you haven't seen a particular player, maybe you're
Speaker 2: responsible for a position, maybe your area is offensive line,
Speaker 2: and so you want to get an idea, you know,
Speaker 2: of what players are at these games, the Hula Bowl,
Speaker 2: the East West Game, Uh, you know what you're going
Speaker 2: to deal with at the Senior Bowl. All these things
Speaker 2: kind of come into play right now. So what you're
Speaker 2: trying to do is tidy up those guys that you
Speaker 2: really don't have an idea and then when you see
Speaker 2: them live in practice you have a little bit better
Speaker 2: idea and maybe you can put a little bit better
Speaker 2: grade on them. Or if the general manager, player personnel
Speaker 2: director ask you the opinion of your player, you have
Speaker 2: a much better idea. But they're really getting ready for
Speaker 2: these All Star games going forward.
Speaker 4: And with all that cross checking and all of the
Speaker 4: information that's flowing in, it's only going to continue to
Speaker 4: get more and more abundant as the days go on.
Speaker 2: You brought up offensive line.
Speaker 4: I think there are a lot of Cowboys fans that
Speaker 4: are still out there despite what they saw down the stretch,
Speaker 4: which was positive direction for guys like TJ.
Speaker 2: Bass and Brock k Hoffman.
Speaker 4: And what this offensive line looked like earlier in the
Speaker 4: year probably not as fruitful as it was later in
Speaker 4: the year. But where should that conversation begin at offensive line?
Speaker 4: What does this class look like? Where should the Cowboys
Speaker 4: begin talking about taking another offensive line lineman very high
Speaker 4: because they've had some success doing so in the past.
Speaker 3: Well, as far as I'm concerned, right, the first thing
Speaker 3: that we.
Speaker 2: Admitted, you're terrified.
Speaker 3: I'm not terrified.
Speaker 2: No, No, that's terrified.
Speaker 3: That's fair, But right, we are.
Speaker 2: Terrified because you're gonna tell me right now that this
Speaker 2: line isn't as good as you've seen the last three years,
Speaker 2: and you're an offensive line guy.
Speaker 7: That is correct. Let me tell you why, though, Bran. First,
Speaker 7: we have to figure out why are teams with worse
Speaker 7: dudes than us able to block better than us? I
Speaker 7: think that's the first question we have to figure out. Hey,
Speaker 7: what's going on here?
Speaker 2: Something with you today?
Speaker 3: Come on, man?
Speaker 7: Do we have to change how we do things scheme wise?
Speaker 7: Do we need somebody to coordinate something different? How can
Speaker 7: this guy that I never even I've never heard his
Speaker 7: sixth round pick playing, and he's like one of the
Speaker 7: best guards in football, and I just didn't know it
Speaker 7: just snuck up on us as opposed to a guy
Speaker 7: like Tyler Smith.
Speaker 3: This is one of his down years, I will.
Speaker 7: Say, but he's normally beating at a lot of people Tyler's
Speaker 7: But why is he down this year? Why was Terrence
Speaker 7: Steel once great but down this year? We need to
Speaker 7: answer questions like that. So once we get that figured out,
Speaker 7: then I'm gonna tell you why I'm so worried about
Speaker 7: offensive line. Then I'm gonna tell you why I want
Speaker 7: to add as many great offensive linemen to this thing
Speaker 7: as I possible. And I know Cowboy fans don't want
Speaker 7: to hear that right now. They want to hear running
Speaker 7: back wide receiver. But after I figure.
Speaker 2: Out though they didn't want to hear Michigan defensive tackle.
Speaker 3: Now the don't want to hit none of this Brian.
Speaker 3: They want to receiver.
Speaker 7: But but yeah, we have to figure out, you know, Okay,
Speaker 7: do we have to get better there or is this
Speaker 7: something that we can live with? Brock Hobbin is a
Speaker 7: fantastic example, and we may all disagree about how good
Speaker 7: we think Brock is. Some people think we can get
Speaker 7: a little better, some people think, oh, we can live
Speaker 7: with him, and we both may be right. We just
Speaker 7: got to figure out what side of the coin that's on.
Speaker 7: I think he's as good as a backup guard as
Speaker 7: you could possibly get. And I think he's as good
Speaker 7: as an interior flex center guard dude as you could
Speaker 7: possibly get. A great way to put it, I want
Speaker 7: dudes I look at because nobody cares what the Raiders
Speaker 7: are doing, what Jacksonville is doing Philly.
Speaker 3: They leave no stone unturned.
Speaker 4: Seconds for Jalen Hurts on that first touchdown to throw
Speaker 4: the football.
Speaker 3: They leave no stone unturned.
Speaker 7: So if I can get better than brock or I
Speaker 7: know he's a you know, riogy left tackling all that,
Speaker 7: but we can get better than him or better than Terrence.
Speaker 7: I'm opening to listening how we can get better, especially
Speaker 7: especially if you got questions about four and if you
Speaker 7: got a questions about your running.
Speaker 4: Back and questions about your left tackle that you drafted
Speaker 4: last year in the first round as well.
Speaker 6: And when has this team been as close that we've
Speaker 6: seen them to maybe achieving an NFC Championship game appearance,
Speaker 6: if not a Super Bowl. It's win the offensive line
Speaker 6: and they've got a good running back, right, it's both
Speaker 6: of them. It's both of them together. I know a
Speaker 6: lot of people are going to argue, hey, the line
Speaker 6: will make the runner. Right With this team, it seemed
Speaker 6: to be a combination of the two. They had a
Speaker 6: dominant line in twenty fourteen. They had an elite back
Speaker 6: into Marco Murray. They had a dominant line in sixteen.
Speaker 6: They had an elite back in Ezekiel Elliott in the
Speaker 6: Great Wall at Dallas nineties, they had an elite line.
Speaker 2: They had an elite back in EMMITTT. Smith. So you know,
Speaker 2: let's go ahead and not just oh my.
Speaker 6: God, we're gonna kick out the running back, because it's
Speaker 6: all about the line both together. That's really what in
Speaker 6: the history that Dallas Cowboys has made them.
Speaker 2: Spec Okay, if I can't get him to say this,
Speaker 2: are you terrified of these offensive lineman?
Speaker 6: Absolutely, I feel like you're we're walking through a minefield here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, that's what I'm not scared to say that.
Speaker 2: No, No, I know you are. I mean, I know
Speaker 2: you're not. But I agree. I agree with you about
Speaker 2: the whole thing of trying to figure this thing out.
Speaker 2: But sometimes sometimes, like I've heard, I've heard coaches say,
Speaker 2: you know, good coaches, good players make good coaches.
Speaker 3: Sure you know.
Speaker 2: And if you and if all of a sudden you
Speaker 2: got some guys that can kind of overcome maybe a
Speaker 2: little bit of lack of what's going on, you know
Speaker 2: that way. But I tell you what I am. I'm
Speaker 2: to the point when you ask the question about offensive
Speaker 2: line that I'm trying to figure out, Okay, which one
Speaker 2: of these guys can I live with, and which one
Speaker 2: of these guys could come in here and fit and
Speaker 2: help and do I'm having a problem with that right now,
Speaker 2: And you're talking about drafts. I'm talking about draft prospects
Speaker 2: right now, and I'm not. I sound like I'm the
Speaker 2: sky's falling guy, but I'm just it to me. It
Speaker 2: is I've grown a custom being with you guys, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's like, man, you see these
Speaker 2: offensive tackle see these guards out there. I don't get
Speaker 2: that feeling with this crew. I get I get a
Speaker 2: feeling of some good players. But like guy, we always
Speaker 2: like to say the plug and plays. I need to
Speaker 2: probably stop doing that because we learned plug and play
Speaker 2: doesn't always work here. We thought it was full proof,
Speaker 2: but it's not so.
Speaker 7: Brian, me ask you who is your best guard? Whoever
Speaker 7: best lineman in his draft?
Speaker 2: Right now?
Speaker 3: Who's who's who's the best guy in his draft?
Speaker 8: For you?
Speaker 2: I think it's the Ohio State kid.
Speaker 7: So so so so listen, take Josh Simmons versus last
Speaker 7: year's like last year's grow where do you kind of
Speaker 7: put him with Mams, with Morgan?
Speaker 3: Do you put him with fuaganm Like? Where do you ring?
Speaker 2: I think he's near the top of this thing. But
Speaker 2: the problem I'm running into I'm dealing with an injured guy.
Speaker 2: Right off the jump, if this guy, if this guy
Speaker 2: didn't have a knee injury, Bobby, tell me about this
Speaker 2: some if I'm wrong. But you know, and you really say, well,
Speaker 2: they they love taking hurt guys. They loved her. I
Speaker 2: don't want to take a hurt guy. I really don't.
Speaker 2: They don't in the first round.
Speaker 6: I mean, but this year, you got only players that
Speaker 6: are blanking lights at you.
Speaker 2: Possibly there's so many guys in the first round of
Speaker 2: this draft. There are corners that are hurt, there's there's
Speaker 2: there's linemen that are hurt.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's what I'm doing. I've only got
Speaker 2: fifteen damn guys. I don't know about you, guys. I've
Speaker 2: got fifteen guys in the first round that might be well.
Speaker 2: I think I got three of them are hurt. Three
Speaker 2: of them are coming off like major fifteen Yeah, wow,
Speaker 2: of major knee injuries and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: Put Simmons. Did you put Simmons in the first Yeah?
Speaker 6: Because I did too. And he's a hurt guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. See. And same thing Morris in the corner from
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. You got the hips have a kne he's
Speaker 2: got a hip. But see, now I'm dealing with the
Speaker 2: uncertainty of the offensive line of like, Okay, these are good,
Speaker 2: these are good dudes, good good players. But you know
Speaker 2: I'm picking at twelve. You know, I mean to me,
Speaker 2: we could all sit here in poke holes in banks
Speaker 2: the tackles. Yeah, and I mean me personally, I want
Speaker 2: to play a guard. I'm okay, I don't know about
Speaker 2: I don't know about everybody else, but yeah, okay, you
Speaker 2: say See, I got in a discussion with people on Twitter.
Speaker 2: Really didn't get a discussion. When somebody says, ah, you're
Speaker 2: an idiot, Brian, and you know he's gonna be a tackle, Fine,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go somewhere else. But I
Speaker 2: would consider playing him at guard.
Speaker 6: I think he's got the athleticism to do both. But
Speaker 6: I did put in my notes think he can be
Speaker 6: an elite guard if you can't inside.
Speaker 2: I've got him at tackle right now.
Speaker 4: But it's I had Tyler Smith at tackle too, and
Speaker 4: he's an elite guard.
Speaker 2: Convinced me. Then he convinced me about the tackle thing.
Speaker 2: Convince me. I like the.
Speaker 4: Footwork outside, I've seen it before. It was kind of
Speaker 4: the opposite of Tyler Geyton and what he brought Tyler
Speaker 4: Goyton brings the size, the athleticism, and a lot of
Speaker 4: that power up front.
Speaker 2: But his footwork was atrocious.
Speaker 4: We talked about that last year throughout the draft process
Speaker 4: and you weren't really excited about it. Goes to the
Speaker 4: Senior Bowl, has an incredible day, and then does not afterwards.
Speaker 4: Kelvin Banks, I think would dominate in a in a
Speaker 4: phone booth as opposed to dominating on an island, if
Speaker 4: that makes sense. Because I think his footwork is there.
Speaker 4: I think he's good, but I think the strength benefits
Speaker 4: better to the inside as opposed to the.
Speaker 2: This is where I would disagree with you. I think
Speaker 2: his feet get out of whack. I think that speed
Speaker 2: the speeder up. Yeah, I thought he really struggled at See.
Speaker 5: My issue with the footwork with Kelvin Banks is it's
Speaker 5: it's so good in certain areas to me, like I
Speaker 5: think his past that's look really clean. I like, but
Speaker 5: they're not quick, no, no, no, But but I think
Speaker 5: they're really clean. But then I watch him like whenever
Speaker 5: I see him trying to climb to the second level,
Speaker 5: I see clumsy feet and that's to me, Like we're
Speaker 5: talking about what we want inside of guard. That's why
Speaker 5: I would have him got to have that is because
Speaker 5: that that ability to climb to the second level. I
Speaker 5: don't know that I trust his movement skill skin in
Speaker 5: the second level. I think it looks clumsy at times.
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 7: I think his best blocks are like his down blocks.
Speaker 7: I think he reaches really well, but like that angrily
Speaker 7: climbing stuff. He can't get a little wonky right there.
Speaker 7: But but what I think is most important is can
Speaker 7: he pass it as a tackle, because you know, I
Speaker 7: think he can pass it, and as a guard, I
Speaker 7: kind of want you to be more powerful. I kind
Speaker 7: of want you to get really I don't think he's
Speaker 7: grit powerful, gritty enough to be phone boof guard guy.
Speaker 7: But if he's like, okay, you're a head up four
Speaker 7: or five kind of guy, I can kind of phone
Speaker 7: boofy there. But out on the inside with like one
Speaker 7: and the three, I don't think he's powerful like that.
Speaker 7: But down blacks, like working sideways, that's where I think
Speaker 7: he really shinns them.
Speaker 2: See this is where I see him. I see the
Speaker 2: strength and the power there. So I see that and
Speaker 2: so but I don't see the space player. Sure, Bobby's
Speaker 2: talking about second level stuff and all that, though, Like
Speaker 2: you could go and do look at the metrics of
Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys guarden and dependent en if to have a
Speaker 2: new coaching staff or not. We'll see a lot of combos,
Speaker 2: a lot of combination blocks, a lot of center guard
Speaker 2: help each other, you know a lot of those. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 2: I mean I'm talking about inside the tackles. They leave
Speaker 2: those poor dudes out there for eighty five percent of
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 6: And the other thing is the stunts, Right, how many
Speaker 6: times did this team have an issue picking up stunts?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 6: And I think Calvin Banks is a guy that does
Speaker 6: process and see that, and they're able to switch and
Speaker 6: pick some of that stuff up, recognize when the blitz
Speaker 6: is coming, some of that stuff with defenders. I wonder though,
Speaker 6: And I don't want to interject whatever you're about to say.
Speaker 6: Your body plays that. You can answer this afterwards. But
Speaker 6: who do you think is a better power player if
Speaker 6: you kicked him inside? Is you're lsu Tiger Will Campbell,
Speaker 6: who I also think could be a good guard, or
Speaker 6: Kelvin Banks Junior.
Speaker 2: I think I think I think Banks is a stronger guy.
Speaker 2: I think Campbell is more fleet of foot, if you
Speaker 2: want to put it that way, I think, I think
Speaker 2: I think Banks is just a more powerful guy. The
Speaker 2: thing about it is you can see Campbell's second level
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. To Bobby's point, but I've also
Speaker 2: see him like he gets a two point stance kick
Speaker 2: kick kick, he's out there, you know, Banks, it's a
Speaker 2: little bit. It's not as quick with Campbell. I see it.
Speaker 2: If you said Campbell play tackle, I'm in Campbell played
Speaker 2: guard not so much. I don't think.
Speaker 7: First of all, I got a two on Campbell, and
Speaker 7: I'm ready to flot it in at the kind of not.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: I think probably a high to Yeah, yeah, sure well
Speaker 4: he'll he'll go go in the seventeen.
Speaker 7: I think he gets a little high for me to
Speaker 7: be playing guard, Like he gets straight leg, like he's thinking,
Speaker 7: like first of all, his stance is already up, and
Speaker 7: then he's kind of a tall to dude already. So
Speaker 7: if you're playing guard, I kind of want you to
Speaker 7: be able to bend so that you can dig guys.
Speaker 7: And that's why I think Banks is really good. Like
Speaker 7: Banks does get down. Yeah, I have a hard problem
Speaker 7: a hard time seeing will Campbell get down like that.
Speaker 5: I heard Dane say something a couple of weeks back
Speaker 5: that I thought was interesting. So Will Campbell is his
Speaker 5: top offensive line He's my top offensive lineman, and I
Speaker 5: don't feel great about the offensive line class. But are
Speaker 5: you convinced that if Tyler Geiden's in this draft, Will
Speaker 5: Campbell goes before Geyton because Dane said he thinks Geyton
Speaker 5: goes ahead of him if he's in this class.
Speaker 3: I disagree.
Speaker 5: I think Dyton does go ahead of him in this class.
Speaker 2: And we got to take his rookie year out of
Speaker 2: the Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Seration just whatever the value is coming out of Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: Yeahah, well if you got through all the holding penalties
Speaker 2: at Tulsa, you know you kind of got through all that,
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, you would say.
Speaker 5: With Tyler, Yeah, yeah, we're talking about Tyler.
Speaker 2: Tyler Smith.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Does Dydon is an evaluation go ahead of Will
Speaker 5: Campbell for the league? I think for most of the
Speaker 5: league Dighton would have been higher.
Speaker 2: Boy, I don't.
Speaker 3: I disagree.
Speaker 2: I totally disagree.
Speaker 3: If you think Campbell, I'm yeah if you think Campbell
Speaker 3: is clumsy.
Speaker 7: One of my biggest gripes about Guiding was how he
Speaker 7: leans get over his skis and falls all over the place.
Speaker 3: There's no just know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll give you credit. You made that known.
Speaker 3: I'm not new to this. I'm true to this. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't know.
Speaker 2: I'm giving you credit for that. Yeah, so of us
Speaker 2: were like, you know, like our hands over eyes. Yeah.
Speaker 7: And and Campbell I don't. I don't think of Campbell
Speaker 7: as a powerful player, but I think he played with
Speaker 7: more power than Campbell. I mean then Guiding, plus, I
Speaker 7: think there's a better path for Campbell to get on
Speaker 7: the field for me, Like, I'm not I wasn't excited
Speaker 7: to put Guiding on the field. I could find a
Speaker 7: way to put Campbell on the field, like all right, cool,
Speaker 7: I put him at right guard and gripe about it.
Speaker 3: I wasn't excited.
Speaker 6: About so I like to rip on Brian about like, okay,
Speaker 6: we're not gonna play like cowards here, right. I feel
Speaker 6: like this first round, that's kind of all I'm doing
Speaker 6: looking at these guys like can.
Speaker 2: I get the safest player? I can't. I can't. Who's
Speaker 2: the safest runner from.
Speaker 5: Right around there?
Speaker 9: For?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Said what about it as an offensive lineman? Though you're
Speaker 2: kicking with that? That's where I'm kind of going with
Speaker 2: Campbell here. I play I play Banks at guard. That's
Speaker 2: just okay. If you said I had to take if
Speaker 2: if they don't, if they okay, if the but the medical,
Speaker 2: if we get all get to India and the medical
Speaker 2: checks out on Simmons and it's clean of health and
Speaker 2: all that, tally ho, let's road, you know, I'm all
Speaker 2: for I'm all for that.
Speaker 4: I've heard Banks from Texas, Will Campbell from LSU, Josh
Speaker 4: Simmons from Ohio State. I want to throw another name
Speaker 4: in there that I've seen up there, Wyatt Milam from
Speaker 4: West Virginia.
Speaker 2: As anybody watched him.
Speaker 7: I think that's a guard and I think he's going
Speaker 7: to be like the second round. Yeah yeah, we can
Speaker 7: have a true second round like in the thirty.
Speaker 2: So we'll talk about the player. There's some people who
Speaker 2: think this guy is the next Zach.
Speaker 5: Martin the uh Millium you know West year Zach Martin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not this year.
Speaker 3: So last week.
Speaker 7: I love you, Kyle, you know, show me the three
Speaker 7: hundred and twenty pounds heavy guards or whatever. That's why
Speaker 7: I think Wyatt milled Me is right. Like he's three
Speaker 7: three thirty something like that. Big tail, humongous, powerful dude
Speaker 7: down blocks. Like I said seventeen, he looks a little
Speaker 7: biggeran that. He looks a little biggeran.
Speaker 2: That, But I hope it's a little clearer than mine.
Speaker 2: I guess possibly.
Speaker 7: I don't think of him as a tackle because I
Speaker 7: think his his feet kind of get a little lumbery,
Speaker 7: you know, you know, so they're kind of heavy, and
Speaker 7: he's a he's one of those guys where powerful and
Speaker 7: if I quick set you and grab you, I got you.
Speaker 7: But that quick sett and can get him in trouble.
Speaker 7: Sometimes a little bit he'll lean and fall over. But
Speaker 7: just a gritty, nasty dude. If you're just gonna play
Speaker 7: him in guard, then fine. But to Kyle's question and
Speaker 7: something to me and broad us kind of mention a
Speaker 7: little bit, do y'all think the league don't really like
Speaker 7: these powerful guards anymore? Because there have been some guards
Speaker 7: in last year's draft year before that I've loved, like
Speaker 7: this dude is strong, but his feet may not be
Speaker 7: the best or whatever, and they'll go four round, fifth round. Look,
Speaker 7: and I was like, damn, I love that dude's tape.
Speaker 7: He's strong, he's great, he's powerful, great on the second level.
Speaker 5: But c l a O Cyrus Torrence was a guy.
Speaker 2: It's a good one.
Speaker 3: Oh, Cyrus is one.
Speaker 2: Of them first though, didn't he right? I know c
Speaker 2: l A.
Speaker 5: It was fifty nine second round fifty nine, Mafi.
Speaker 7: I was a fan of a Toonio like he's being
Speaker 7: sharp and A just got all these clean runways behind him,
Speaker 7: but he goes late or Dark Mafia had injuries.
Speaker 2: Wasn't that another one? And c staged.
Speaker 5: Injury stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Or like Brown from Obama like Deoncey just just I
Speaker 7: move people, Okay, And if you watch an offensive line film,
Speaker 7: the first thing.
Speaker 3: All y'all know should be doing like can I move people?
Speaker 7: Does he move guys? And these guys move guys? But
Speaker 7: they always go day three or something like that.
Speaker 4: So I'm caring up, starting and playing good time and there,
Speaker 4: So I see Cyres Towans, it's gonna say Buffalo great.
Speaker 7: So I see Millim and Millim is a move guys,
Speaker 7: but my feet may not be the best. And I'm
Speaker 7: just wondering will the league look at him and draft
Speaker 7: him late even though I like him in the second one?
Speaker 6: Well, and I wonder the same thing about Booker from
Speaker 6: Alabama I'm Booker, I the best guard guard on the class.
Speaker 2: And I because you and I, I think we're looking at
Speaker 2: the same thing here.
Speaker 6: I want nasty, I want people movers, and I want
Speaker 6: somebody who gonna put someone on their rear, and Tyler
Speaker 6: Booker does that. The other offensive tackle I would advocate
Speaker 6: for is Connorley Junior from Oregon.
Speaker 2: This dude, to me, you look at the size.
Speaker 6: I think he's a guy that offensive line coaches are
Speaker 6: gonna look at and say, I can mold this dude.
Speaker 6: Give me that mold of clay and I'm gonna make
Speaker 6: him a really good player. And you watched him against
Speaker 6: Abdul Carter. I was very impressed in the Big Ten
Speaker 6: Conference championship game.
Speaker 2: The one on ones. He did not get over powered.
Speaker 6: He's got long arms, the good kickout to force pressure
Speaker 6: wide to the quarterback.
Speaker 2: That was one of his best things against Carter. That's
Speaker 2: the guy.
Speaker 6: If I had a bet on one of these tackles
Speaker 6: that might go a little bit later, that could turn
Speaker 6: out to the best of the bunch.
Speaker 2: I think Connorley Junior is the one I leaned. Let
Speaker 2: me introduce you to Charles Grant from William and Mary Okay,
Speaker 2: I I did.
Speaker 9: That.
Speaker 5: He's been one of their little sleepers. But they're waiting
Speaker 5: for the media to catch all.
Speaker 2: Right, all grab you some Bill and Mary takes let's go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna catch up. The media will
Speaker 4: catch up. At the end of the month.
Speaker 2: Whenever he's in Mobile.
Speaker 5: We're gonna get people are gonna talk more about migrants.
Speaker 2: Tell me about those two. Tell me about telling about you.
Speaker 2: Tell me about he guys to start and left tackle
Speaker 2: there for the tribe. I also know the tribe. This
Speaker 2: guy was a champion high school wrestler. Draft him right now.
Speaker 2: It's either he's from Belglade, Florida, or is a champion
Speaker 2: high school wrestler. Drafted him. Either way, is what I've
Speaker 2: learned along the way. He's made a ton of starts
Speaker 2: for William and Mary. Uh. He's gonna play in the
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl. Outstanding quickness out of his stance and is set.
Speaker 2: He's very light on his feet, man and an ideal
Speaker 2: link to the position. He holds defenders at arms length.
Speaker 2: He plays with knee bend. He plays with balance. I
Speaker 2: don't see him getting overpowered or knocked off balanced. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's playing against some accountants and some some other people
Speaker 2: like that. But we'llou houses in the end. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 2: figure it out, you know, v M I Richmond. Richmond
Speaker 2: played some decent football, but but he processes stunts and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. He's not gonna get fooled. He's flexible.
Speaker 2: Rarely do you see him off balance or out of position.
Speaker 2: He can dominate as a finisher. He plays through the whistle.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm really looking forward to hearing the reports
Speaker 2: from the Senior Ball and seeing the one on one tape.
Speaker 2: Voss is the one that turned me on. He goes,
Speaker 2: you seen this Charles, great guy, and I'm like no,
Speaker 2: And next thing you know, I get tape.
Speaker 7: But you're right, my friend, Senior Bowl is gonna be
Speaker 7: humongous for him because I'm just watching his film and
Speaker 7: I've never even heard of his school.
Speaker 3: What the hell is Towsan?
Speaker 2: What is it? Towson?
Speaker 7: Yeah, Maryland, Maryland. Yeah, I'm just I'm just seeing I'm
Speaker 7: seeing schools. I've never seen it drop the state.
Speaker 2: Since I think they had alignment drafted a couple of times.
Speaker 2: They did good basketball school.
Speaker 7: But I want to see him versus some some real dude.
Speaker 7: I don't know how it's gonna like play out what
Speaker 7: team or whatever, but we're gonna.
Speaker 2: See him fishing on this guy.
Speaker 7: I'm not crawfished. I've told you exactly what he look.
Speaker 7: He woops saying. I can't say is right. He whoop says,
Speaker 7: but he's whooping a character that don't play foot.
Speaker 2: Josh Josh Allen threw the cattle ranchers and stuff out
Speaker 2: there at Wyoming a different He emailed everybody he could.
Speaker 2: To your point, get on a team.
Speaker 7: When senior boat gets here and he's gonna have the
Speaker 7: line up against prince Ly.
Speaker 2: You know Mammy Yellen.
Speaker 7: And Donovan is Boston College Donovan, I don't know that one,
Speaker 7: and Mike Green and those characters.
Speaker 3: When he lines up against those.
Speaker 4: Got Kyle Kennard, Landon Jackson, Josiah Stewart, Jordan Birch, David Walker.
Speaker 2: I mean, all these guys that are great.
Speaker 7: Match up for him, and I got them in my
Speaker 7: in my second round right now. But if he can
Speaker 7: whoop those guys, I do have a problem moving them
Speaker 7: up my board a little bit.
Speaker 3: If he can whoop those.
Speaker 5: I haven't watched him yet. I know his reputation. I
Speaker 5: have not watched him yet does he does he make
Speaker 5: the Ted Thompson test for you? Does he walk on water?
Speaker 2: I tell you what, man, Yeah, I learned that in
Speaker 2: Green Bay. If you're coming from one of these small places,
Speaker 2: you better walk on water.
Speaker 3: House and water.
Speaker 5: Hey, Toby walking on by the way, first player Towson
Speaker 5: put in the NFL. You know who was? Who's a hunter?
Speaker 5: Sean Landetta.
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Speaker 4: we come back, We've got a little bit more to
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Speaker 2: I wanted to do a little keep away.
Speaker 4: These are draft strategies and position groups, not necessarily specific players,
Speaker 4: but position groups in its entirety kind of helps setting
Speaker 4: a stage for the drafts as a whole. But what
Speaker 4: strategy would you stick away from? Four examples? That is
Speaker 4: this for the Cowboys, he for all teams, for all teams. Okay,
Speaker 4: this is just in general for the draft.
Speaker 6: Oh this is perfect. Okay, yes, so right, I got you.
Speaker 6: Kyle running back in the first is an example. I
Speaker 6: would stay away from drafting or running back in the
Speaker 6: first round. Not saying that I've got to lead out
Speaker 6: of the box one for you, but what you got
Speaker 6: I think like every team in the top eleven picks.
Speaker 2: So this just need to stay away from Abdul Carter.
Speaker 2: There's something about this. It's a good way.
Speaker 6: He's just you know, I think the bus potential is
Speaker 6: off the charts with him.
Speaker 2: Character, character issues.
Speaker 6: That shoulder might be a chronic injury, it might be
Speaker 6: something that your career people out there right now.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean at least for the first eleven picks.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't feel yeah, just the first eleven.
Speaker 6: As soon as he's on the board at twelve, all
Speaker 6: of a sudden, that goes away.
Speaker 5: What's the best player on Wait, Larry mctuns will win?
Speaker 5: What thirteen? Yeah, and like enough teams was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: this just doesn't feel right until it's around twelve or thirteen. Clearly,
Speaker 5: yeah it makes sense.
Speaker 6: No, I think for me it's it's tight end, and
Speaker 6: at least for the Cowboys, I would not be looking
Speaker 6: at this. I'm still a Ferguson believer, and I think
Speaker 6: I like Tyler Warren more than a lot of people
Speaker 6: like Tyler Warren.
Speaker 4: Is probably I brought up Harold Fan and Junior from
Speaker 4: Green the other day and I got shut down real
Speaker 4: quick about Tyler Warren from I.
Speaker 2: Love Tyler Warren.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think he is the best linebacker, but
Speaker 6: I need to do more work on tight end. Excuse me,
Speaker 6: but I mean the dude plays all over the place.
Speaker 6: Like if you're looking for the definition of a football player,
Speaker 6: Tyler Warren is right there in the dictionary. But I
Speaker 6: just don't think I think it's too rich. I just
Speaker 6: am not going tight end. That's not a conversation for me.
Speaker 6: In round one of this draft.
Speaker 2: Watch me go for a little maction here and take
Speaker 2: that Harold Fanny. Yeah, round one. No, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'd take him round to one, but I'll tell
Speaker 2: you one if you start talking about tight ends. My guy,
Speaker 2: Mason Taylor, who's Jason Taylor's son, I could say from Millers,
Speaker 2: I've watched the kid play every snap. What's that.
Speaker 3: Gorey Taylor?
Speaker 2: I said it, Joy Taylor. Sure, she's proud of him.
Speaker 2: You better than Colin. I'll tell you what. Yes, I
Speaker 2: tell you what. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Fox. The
Speaker 2: thing the thing with with Loveling and all that, I
Speaker 2: think when we get through these tight ends, there's going
Speaker 2: to be a decent group. I Warren's probably going to
Speaker 2: be the I would if people would take Leveland from
Speaker 2: Michigan in the first round. I don't think I would.
Speaker 2: I would not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think I think you're on gunner Helm
Speaker 4: from Texas.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. Every time I watched the Game
Speaker 2: of Texas play, he woke damn play Yeah, Bobby, and I.
Speaker 5: Mean he thought he's a gunner. Helm's going to go
Speaker 5: on day two right like, and there's not been as
Speaker 5: much buzz about him. But he I think he's going
Speaker 5: to go on day two. He's going to He's somebody
Speaker 5: who's going to be much higher in the tight end
Speaker 5: group than I think, I think anticipate, I think.
Speaker 2: Pro Football Focus. I was looking at their list of
Speaker 2: their big board. I think they had him in like
Speaker 2: fifty on their ball Wow. Yeah, on their on their
Speaker 2: big board.
Speaker 4: So I'd probably have him in the top three or
Speaker 4: four tight ends of this class.
Speaker 2: This isn't the same class that.
Speaker 4: Sam Laporta came out and Trey m Pride and all
Speaker 4: these decads. Yeah, this is not the same class. This
Speaker 4: is a thinner tight end group. What about you watched
Speaker 4: in terms of stay away right now.
Speaker 3: Brian, when I like this, but this is just for
Speaker 3: my Cowboys.
Speaker 2: That's an every night occurrence with you.
Speaker 3: It's fair enough.
Speaker 7: I don't think the Cowboys should look safety in round one,
Speaker 7: two or three. It's just you know, you have you
Speaker 7: have so many needs and I understand that, hey, free
Speaker 7: safety play maybe x y Z here. You know, some
Speaker 7: Cowboy fans may not be like, what's going on with
Speaker 7: either safety? Really, but you also have problems at one Tech,
Speaker 7: you got problems at three. Take if you don't resign Osa,
Speaker 7: you know some of your edge guys, Hey, we'll kind
Speaker 7: of have a conversation about that. You have a linebacker
Speaker 7: that's a star, but he may not play football next year.
Speaker 7: Offensive line, we just had a had a powerful first
Speaker 7: segment about your offensive line play here. So I just
Speaker 7: don't think you can go luxury stuff. So that's tight end,
Speaker 7: just like Woodchuck said, And I think safety, I don't
Speaker 7: think you can in great conscience, even if Malachi is there,
Speaker 7: right Georgia, you can't look at him and go all right,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna pass up on this pass rusher to get
Speaker 7: a safety that may not be involved in every single play.
Speaker 7: You know, he can he can go cover the nickel,
Speaker 7: he can go play down the box, he can go tackle,
Speaker 7: you know, on the roof and all that kind of stuff. Brown,
Speaker 7: But I need somebody that's really gonna help me with
Speaker 7: this Misi situation or this right guard because Zach is
Speaker 7: gone situation.
Speaker 3: I need that help right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you're talking about past rusher, is what you
Speaker 2: were saying, So you would take you clearly, maybe take
Speaker 2: its teammate Walker over. Yeah, I'd go walk over. I
Speaker 2: walk overstart in a heartbeat over him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, both both out of Marshall. Okay, Mike Green and
Speaker 7: Jaylen Walker. I will go both those guys over safety
Speaker 7: for sure.
Speaker 2: Okay, how about Pierce from Tennessee.
Speaker 7: No, that's a little high for me for Peers. Maybe
Speaker 7: we traded back or something like that. I will I
Speaker 7: will go Piers.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the line that we draw on the edges
Speaker 2: is Mike Green from Marshall.
Speaker 7: Ask about the other guys though, Asking about the other
Speaker 7: two guys, No, no.
Speaker 2: No, I know what you think about those A and
Speaker 2: m kids Nix. You're about to you and I are
Speaker 2: about to go on the LEDs here.
Speaker 7: Nick Gordon is not a first round player for me.
Speaker 7: He's not a second round player for me. And all
Speaker 7: the dudes that I got in my third round grades,
Speaker 7: I like them better than Nick Gordon, Texan and I
Speaker 7: have a hard time with that.
Speaker 2: The way I see your board then is you've got
Speaker 2: all the twitchies the non twitch.
Speaker 3: That's kind of how it is this year. Yes, that's
Speaker 3: kind of how it.
Speaker 7: But when I'm watching scoring Man, I just see Cleveland
Speaker 7: Ferrell and I just want to go man, I don't
Speaker 7: even want to. I don't want to deal with that.
Speaker 7: And look y'all can probably disagree. We can find but
Speaker 7: I'm not feeling them. But another one, Mike Hail Williams
Speaker 7: from Georgia. They got different kind of issues, but Mike Hail,
Speaker 7: I'm not here for the ball of clay guys. I'm
Speaker 7: not here for the raw guys. So when I was
Speaker 7: talking about guiding earlier, Guiden was a ball of clay.
Speaker 7: That's very athletic. I think mikeel Williams is incredibly athletic.
Speaker 7: I think he could be something if you trust your
Speaker 7: coaching staff to, you know, fix them in. But what
Speaker 7: I see right he runs down the middle of people
Speaker 7: right now, and you just can't run down the middle
Speaker 7: of pro offensive lineman. You know whether it's inside or outside.
Speaker 7: So those two edges three edges really if you count
Speaker 7: the other Texxam.
Speaker 2: And them guy Shamar Stewart, I got him in the third.
Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of Shamar Stewart neither.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what those guys are like Mike
Speaker 2: Rabel and New England can take them. They can play
Speaker 2: the five teck, they can play ninety.
Speaker 6: I don't know what to do with them. I really
Speaker 6: don't like those are two guys. I'm watching them play.
Speaker 6: I'm not seeing the first.
Speaker 4: Round Marshall on Niland right kind of what you have.
Speaker 2: I feel it's got pass rushed ability. Sorry, he's two
Speaker 2: seventy five, he's a little smaller, but benefit too.
Speaker 4: When you look at Nick Gorton, Bobby, you can maybe
Speaker 4: answer this better than anyone. The league right now as
Speaker 4: we sit on January thirteenth, has him as a surefire
Speaker 4: first round pick, maybe top fifteen pick.
Speaker 11: Yeh.
Speaker 2: But I get this since.
Speaker 4: From not just Brian, not just watch, not just Zach,
Speaker 4: that he's maybe not that, and it's a little smoking mirrors.
Speaker 5: So s Gordon, I don't think like when people have.
Speaker 5: I saw John Owning tweet something the other day where
Speaker 5: he said, I'm not getting the top ten hype for Scrton,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, is Gorton getting top ten hype? Like,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: There was a mock that had him to the Cowboys
Speaker 2: at twelve.
Speaker 5: I like Scorton fine, I like that. I would not
Speaker 5: take him at twelve. And I've not heard from anybody
Speaker 5: when I've asked around about Scorrton or what the thought
Speaker 5: process is I haven't heard anybody talking about him like
Speaker 5: he's a top fifteen player, So I don't know if
Speaker 5: that's just media buzz kick name around that I think
Speaker 5: Scorrton is right now. If I were to guess, I
Speaker 5: think Gorton's probably between twenty and thirty five.
Speaker 2: I had more trouble watching him play, and it's gonna
Speaker 2: take watching thirteen games or whatever and maybe I'll figure
Speaker 2: it out. But why is it so troublesome? I just
Speaker 2: I was expecting more of a twitchy kind of a
Speaker 2: rusher and he's not. And I don't know if I
Speaker 2: could take that type of his style of play at
Speaker 2: twelve and I don't. I don't see it.
Speaker 5: You know, It's it's interesting. So like when I hear
Speaker 5: VOTs talking about Michael Williams, Like, if I'm gonna say
Speaker 5: a rightly, there's a lot of busts you can point
Speaker 5: to who you describe similar with Michael Wims. But you
Speaker 5: know who also had a very similar rundown to Michael
Speaker 5: Williams was Danielle Hunter years ago. Like Daniel Hunter was
Speaker 5: the same sort of scouting report. So I'm curious, Brian,
Speaker 5: is there anybody likes scorting that you felt a way
Speaker 5: about the spot that then ended up hitting like somebody
Speaker 5: who you went, I don't see it and I don't
Speaker 5: see this place. So was there anybody who hit when
Speaker 5: you looked at them that way?
Speaker 7: Bosa, Joey Bosa, You was a big I don't see
Speaker 7: the twitchy stuff with Bosa and him, but he ended
Speaker 7: up being like a good player for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I thought that he was like
Speaker 2: Greg Ellis, But see Greg is not really not the the.
Speaker 5: Twent is not a Joey Bosa level techn.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean there's there,
Speaker 2: there's I just don't I didn't see pass rush moves.
Speaker 2: I saw you talking about rushing down the middle. I
Speaker 2: mean I literally saw the type of guy that was,
Speaker 2: like if you were playing as a three four front
Speaker 2: at five technique, that head up guy that just extends
Speaker 2: and kind of does that. I just did not see
Speaker 2: a guy I thought he might be even a better
Speaker 2: tackle like a three technique than he would be as
Speaker 2: an edge.
Speaker 3: I'm taking Sawyer, I'm taking Princely.
Speaker 2: These are Sawyer is a Sawyer Ohio State.
Speaker 7: Sorry from Ohio State. Princely from Ole, Miss Mike Green, Marshall,
Speaker 7: Marshall Donovan is from Boston. I got all those guys
Speaker 7: over the I'm just not seeing it with Scordon.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm looking at both of these guys as
Speaker 6: defensive tackles. I don't even have them in the defensive
Speaker 6: end Congress, just from a Cowboys lens, I think you
Speaker 6: would be kicking them inside and maybe scorting on playing
Speaker 6: as a three technique. Yeah, maybe if I lose Oshadgizua.
Speaker 6: He's sliding in there because he's he's a freak athlete.
Speaker 6: I mean, the dude was very productive.
Speaker 2: At A and M.
Speaker 6: The problem was we're not sure about Will Campbell and
Speaker 6: I watched him against LUs you and Will Campbell is
Speaker 6: kind of dominating him inside a little.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So, Zach, this is what when you watch Nick scording,
Speaker 7: do you see him whooping folks?
Speaker 6: That's that's that's that's really hustle. I see effort, but
Speaker 6: I see a splash player.
Speaker 2: Some of that he's whooping folks. It's because of strength.
Speaker 7: I think I think we got to we can just
Speaker 7: wheedle this down to the bears of bones. Look, there's
Speaker 7: millions of people watching us right now, and you know
Speaker 7: they may watch film differently, right, the baseline, the baseline
Speaker 7: of value appreciation. The baseline evaluation is like is he
Speaker 7: winning matchup? Yeah, And I'm just seeing Scordon kind of
Speaker 7: you know, he'll win sometimes, he'll power somebody sometimes, but
Speaker 7: how did he overpower those guys?
Speaker 5: So many folks do you see whipping folks in this
Speaker 5: class though? Did he play Talison this here?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 2: Green Virginia che Prince.
Speaker 5: But I mean, like, honestly, a lot of the guys
Speaker 5: that have seen like who I saw whooping folks on
Speaker 5: tape this yere aren't even eligible, Like Dylan Stewart of
Speaker 5: South Carolina was whooping folks.
Speaker 2: As a teenager.
Speaker 6: Different from Jahen Walker sometimes Mike Green though, is number one.
Speaker 7: Princely Uman Yelling got like President got like two secs
Speaker 7: in some of the in some of the biggest games
Speaker 7: that they've been in, he was he jumps off the
Speaker 7: field to me, so scored And look to Bobby's point,
Speaker 7: maybe the league sees them a little different. I just
Speaker 7: saw some mock drafts here. I see some PFF thing
Speaker 7: where he's in this. That's just me looking for names, right,
Speaker 7: So I just see him up top and I'm like,
Speaker 7: I don't this dude up top. I'm not seeing him
Speaker 7: as an up top guy. I'll see him as a
Speaker 7: round three kind of guy.
Speaker 5: I don't know with any sort of certainty, having talked
Speaker 5: to people that like the league takes scorting in the
Speaker 5: first round, that maybe he could, but I don't. I
Speaker 5: don't know that they do it.
Speaker 2: I think it's.
Speaker 4: Media buzz if that's the case, and if all the
Speaker 4: film is playing out. I haven't watched to Miette's full disclosure,
Speaker 4: so I think if all of you guys are agreeing
Speaker 4: in that sense and you're starting to see it happen,
Speaker 4: that makes me think it's just me.
Speaker 5: I've heard more people around the league talk more positive
Speaker 5: about Shamar Stewart than scored.
Speaker 2: Interesting, has anybody talked positively about that? Ashton, Galott, Gallett,
Speaker 2: Fred Louisville.
Speaker 5: Got him yet? I need I need to ask around.
Speaker 3: I haven't watched him yet.
Speaker 2: I wat him Nicks, Yeah, see Ed Rusher. Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: an edge rusher. I mean, like you said, does he wolf?
Speaker 2: He whoops, folks. But I'll tell you what though, he's
Speaker 2: not a sacker guy, Okay, but what he does is
Speaker 2: like he he like plays the run great Okay, so
Speaker 2: you can move him inside. Yeah, I mean I would
Speaker 2: take a guy like that, did I know? Like, I
Speaker 2: think I could do something with this cat.
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Speaker 4: to hear another couple round of names when we come back.
Speaker 4: I forgot we got to get out of forty five
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Speaker 4: we're gonna wrap it up. Any quick name segment here
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Speaker 6: Uh, Okay, guys that we haven't necessarily talked about already, Okay,
Speaker 6: I mentioned him at the end of last segment.
Speaker 2: I'll talk about JTT JT. Towey Maloaw the edge from
Speaker 2: Ohio State.
Speaker 6: And this is a guy that reminds me a little
Speaker 6: bit of ajs epinessa from Iowa that came out a
Speaker 6: couple of years ago and he ended up he was
Speaker 6: getting first round buddy when the second round, and I
Speaker 6: think Jtt's another guy that's going to go in the
Speaker 6: second round. I'd be very excited if he slid to
Speaker 6: the Cowboys range there. Reminds me a little of what
Speaker 6: you have in Kneeland to where I don't know if
Speaker 6: this is a guy that's ever going to be a
Speaker 6: double digit sack artist at the next level, but he
Speaker 6: does everything well. He's just a well rounded edge. I
Speaker 6: think he's impressive. He's got a great bull rush, gets
Speaker 6: a good jump off the ball, you can crash down
Speaker 6: the line, play the running game, use his hands really well,
Speaker 6: rarely gets knocked off the line of scrimmage. Is a
Speaker 6: guy that holds his round to the point of attack.
Speaker 6: He's not going to get moved. Plays with instincts and awareness.
Speaker 6: He's got a hell of a playoff right now for
Speaker 6: Ohio State. So that's a guy like if you don't
Speaker 6: take an edge rusher or a defensive end in the
Speaker 6: first round, which I don't think they're going to do.
Speaker 2: I'd love Mike Green there.
Speaker 6: At twelve, but JTT would be a name in the
Speaker 6: second round if he's available that I would be very
Speaker 6: very interested in.
Speaker 3: Okay, Dion Walker Kentucky. Now what position? Tackle?
Speaker 2: Tackle?
Speaker 3: Defensive tackle? Now, I think he's a very interesting.
Speaker 2: Trying to get your coaches fired, aren't you?
Speaker 3: Yes? What's he?
Speaker 5: Brian?
Speaker 7: That's so look so so look with with this guy,
Speaker 7: you're either gonna get your coaches fired or they gonna
Speaker 7: get raised.
Speaker 3: Oh we getting lake houses.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 3: I see this dude.
Speaker 7: He comes off the line of scrimmage big as hell,
Speaker 7: hu Mungus birsty length like like he plays everywhere like
Speaker 7: he's what sixty five six four or something like that,
Speaker 7: three fifty six six, three forty five. They'll put him
Speaker 7: at edge, they'll put him at one zero three five,
Speaker 7: wherever you want to put him. Him everywhere, And he
Speaker 7: looks like a devastating, clear cut first round talent. But
Speaker 7: he's not in my first round because he only looks
Speaker 7: like this sometimes and other times he looks like he's
Speaker 7: just kind of standing up. He has these aggressive loafs.
Speaker 7: He look very laboring. Sometimes sometimes he looks the other
Speaker 7: L word, which is lazy. I don't quite know what
Speaker 7: it is. Had a conversation with Dane and said, well, vice,
Speaker 7: because he played so much, he's tired. But to get
Speaker 7: your ass in shape, you know what I'm saying, If
Speaker 7: you're going to be a guy that we're counting on,
Speaker 7: you might have to play fifty or sixty snaps or
Speaker 7: something like that. Right, So he's a guy to where
Speaker 7: you have to figure out and when we're going through
Speaker 7: these you know, combines and all this kind of stuff,
Speaker 7: coaches talking to him, they're gonna have to ask him like, hey,
Speaker 7: why were you loafing aggressively right here?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 7: And if he wasn't super low guy, he'll be a
Speaker 7: first round kind of guys. First round Like if you
Speaker 7: wouldn't that kind of dude or whatever. So I think
Speaker 7: if you draft him and you take him, and you
Speaker 7: got faith in him and you can rally around him
Speaker 7: and give him hugs and love, I think he could
Speaker 7: be a fantastic elite type player for you. If that
Speaker 7: bad side doesn't come off on.
Speaker 6: Nicknamed d one from in high school, they started to
Speaker 6: calling him d one just carried on.
Speaker 2: I mean, dud. The dude's an absolute Yeah, he is
Speaker 2: a menace.
Speaker 6: I love he's a guy he's always looking at those
Speaker 6: big paws up and not try and bat a ball.
Speaker 2: Down, and he usually does it. I mean, Dean Walking.
Speaker 6: He might end up getting some picture in the NFL
Speaker 6: defensive tackle with how big he is.
Speaker 3: Boby, what's the word around the league on him?
Speaker 5: I've not heard on him yet there, it's so early
Speaker 5: in the process too, Like I mean, there's a couple
Speaker 5: guys that I've either had to ask about specifically. He'll
Speaker 5: he'll be one that I asked around about though. Uh,
Speaker 5: Marvin Overshowing's in this draft and he plays for UCLA.
Speaker 5: And that's Carson Schwessinger. Yeaher he is. He's he's going
Speaker 5: to be the first linebacker off the board in all likelihood,
Speaker 5: and he's somebody that there. There wasn't a lot of
Speaker 5: buzz about him until the last I want to say,
Speaker 5: what like six weeks. It really started picking up in
Speaker 5: draft circles. Butchwessinger at UCLA is same sort of build,
Speaker 5: same sort of body type. It's that same sort of
Speaker 5: hot motor is overshown there are times where, yeah, when
Speaker 5: somebody gets a block on him, like he has trouble
Speaker 5: dis engaging. He is a thinner built guy, he's like
Speaker 5: six five something like that. But he's somebody who really
Speaker 5: good sideline to sideline speed, somebody who's really good in pursuit,
Speaker 5: somebody who sees everything quickly processes it and attacks. I
Speaker 5: think that he's really good other than like I said,
Speaker 5: some times where he gets handled in blocks, when when
Speaker 5: a bigger guy gets on him, or some other times
Speaker 5: where he's a little too hot and there's some over
Speaker 5: pursuit and there's some cutback lanes, but that doesn't happen
Speaker 5: a ton with him. I think he's really good and
Speaker 5: he's gonna start building a lot of buzz.
Speaker 2: Swessinger it's a great name too. That's excited absolutely.
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Speaker 4: to make it up though after the snow day, everybody,
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