WEBVTT - Draft Show_1_13.mp3 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:10.319 Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:14.120 for incenter news and draft analysis from deep within the 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:16.520 confines of Cowboys Headquarters at. 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:17.439 The Star Infrasco. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.239 And now your host, Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:28.000 Today is January thirteenth, twenty twenty five, and we are 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:31.960 officially one hundred and one days away from the NFL 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.640 Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin. We've got a little Draft 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:37.760 one oh one for you here on the Draft Show 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:39.040 presented by Miller Lite. 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:41.080 Today we've got Brian brought. 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.360 Us soon to join us, Vatch Lombardi back for his 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:44.680 second episode, and. 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:45.879 Then for the first time in the. 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.480 Twenty twenty five NFL Draft process, we welcome the duo 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.320 from one oh five to three the fans, Zach Walchuk, 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:55.080 Bobby Belt. Glad you guys are back on the Draft 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.320 Show and back with us again today. Enjoyed the snow 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:00.240 day a little bit, but it just delayed the fact 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:00.760 that I got. 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:01.800 To talk draft with you guys. 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:02.200 I know. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.680 Yeah, my my one game suspension for Day three of 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.000 the draft uh in April is over. 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:09.240 I'm back. 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:11.959 I had a lot of time to think about what 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:14.080 I did, and now I'm hearing him ready to go. 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:15.240 There's a lot of self reflection. 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:19.840 Yeah, I'm glad that you realized scouting baby in your ways. Man, 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.080 I'm fired up and I'm excited to uh to be 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:23.640 here with Voch dude. I mean, we got to do 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:25.520 a little bit of stuff on YouTube last year. You 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:27.800 you welcomed me on the show. I've enjoyed a lot 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:29.800 of your content, and I think we got a great crew. 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.839 I mean, Tommy, I was watching the first episode. Uh, Nick, 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:36.039 we know is fantastic. I'm shocked at Brian's not on 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.679 time today to make fun of Oh he's running in. 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:41.760 He's running in. We weren't talking about him. 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:46.039 Yeah, so Jalen Walker the thing about he's not a linebacker. 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:45.679 But. 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:53.960 He's an 's an edge. We converted him already. 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.480 That didn't take long, No, it didn't. No, but it's 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.800 good to have you guys back. Bobby's going to get 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.960 another one game suspense engine for just mentioning it. You're 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:03.920 not going to be here tomorrow, but it'll be back 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:04.520 on Thursday. 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:07.560 No, that's the schedule. But yeah, glad to have you 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:08.000 guys back. 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:12.520 I saw somebody on Twitter called Nick Harris, the young 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:16.080 Dane Brugler and I think I tend to agree there, 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.160 but we're not going to talk good about Nick while 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:18.520 he's off. 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:20.919 I just saw Nicholas. I just came from Plano. I'm 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:22.440 gonna see him right after we're getting with this, so 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:24.480 we go, Yeah, what are you doing out there hanging 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:27.800 out with draft prospects, guys who are training to get ready. 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:28.839 How they looking so far? 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:31.040 It looks like they're doing a lot of stretching and 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.799 a lot of lunges and stuff. Right now. It's really 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:34.880 in the process. 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.840 Not too deep into the detail. 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:40.560 No, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not. We're not doing a 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:42.919 bunch of you know, speed turns or anything else. We're 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.799 just we're lungeing. We're trying to get those muscles activated. 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:46.160 Love it. 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.240 That's what Vauch did on his way in today, just 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:49.519 to be ready for the draft show. 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.200 I promise I was lunging, but it wasn't football stove. 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.200 Oh okay, just a little boxing stuff but no. 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:57.280 So lots to talk about. 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:59.480 Of course, with the draft being now one hundred and 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.919 one day away. Brian and we mentioned this in the 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.440 last episode. I thought by now we would have a 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.960 little clarification as to the future road for this football 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:12.639 team as their head coach goes, as their entire coaching 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.880 staff go. Don't have any clarification, but what is the 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.360 scouting department doing right now, one hundred days out, looking 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.079 ahead and trying to piece things together as we get 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:23.600 closer and closer to these All Star games. 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:25.600 Yeah, you have what you're looking at right now, as 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.480 you've mentioned, you getting ready for these All Star games. 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.680 But they're also involved in some cross check stuff and 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.840 maybe there's some guys, some juniors that declare that you 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.720 haven't seen. You know, you're trying to kind of organize that, 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.280 get that squared up. But really what you're doing is 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.840 you're getting ready for these All Star games and if 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:44.960 you maybe you haven't seen a particular player, maybe you're 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.880 responsible for a position, maybe your area is offensive line, 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:51.320 and so you want to get an idea, you know, 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.600 of what players are at these games, the Hula Bowl, 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.320 the East West Game, Uh, you know what you're going 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.680 to deal with at the Senior Bowl. All these things 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.280 kind of come into play right now. So what you're 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.440 trying to do is tidy up those guys that you 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.800 really don't have an idea and then when you see 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.280 them live in practice you have a little bit better 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:11.839 idea and maybe you can put a little bit better 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:15.360 grade on them. Or if the general manager, player personnel 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:17.680 director ask you the opinion of your player, you have 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:19.960 a much better idea. But they're really getting ready for 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:22.560 these All Star games going forward. 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.680 And with all that cross checking and all of the 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.599 information that's flowing in, it's only going to continue to 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.040 get more and more abundant as the days go on. 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:31.600 You brought up offensive line. 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.120 I think there are a lot of Cowboys fans that 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:36.719 are still out there despite what they saw down the stretch, 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.640 which was positive direction for guys like TJ. 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:41.120 Bass and Brock k Hoffman. 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.000 And what this offensive line looked like earlier in the 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:47.320 year probably not as fruitful as it was later in 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:51.279 the year. But where should that conversation begin at offensive line? 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.680 What does this class look like? Where should the Cowboys 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:58.000 begin talking about taking another offensive line lineman very high 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.000 because they've had some success doing so in the past. 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.800 Well, as far as I'm concerned, right, the first thing 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:04.120 that we. 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:05.240 Admitted, you're terrified. 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:06.080 I'm not terrified. 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:08.320 No, No, that's terrified. 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.680 That's fair, But right, we are. 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.160 Terrified because you're gonna tell me right now that this 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.400 line isn't as good as you've seen the last three years, 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:16.880 and you're an offensive line guy. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:18.600 That is correct. Let me tell you why, though, Bran. First, 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:22.200 we have to figure out why are teams with worse 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.240 dudes than us able to block better than us? I 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:26.880 think that's the first question we have to figure out. Hey, 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:27.640 what's going on here? 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:28.440 Something with you today? 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:28.880 Come on, man? 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.479 Do we have to change how we do things scheme wise? 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:33.920 Do we need somebody to coordinate something different? How can 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.560 this guy that I never even I've never heard his 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.839 sixth round pick playing, and he's like one of the 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:40.520 best guards in football, and I just didn't know it 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:42.640 just snuck up on us as opposed to a guy 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:43.440 like Tyler Smith. 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:44.960 This is one of his down years, I will. 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.599 Say, but he's normally beating at a lot of people Tyler's 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.239 But why is he down this year? Why was Terrence 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.520 Steel once great but down this year? We need to 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.120 answer questions like that. So once we get that figured out, 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:57.920 then I'm gonna tell you why I'm so worried about 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:59.920 offensive line. Then I'm gonna tell you why I want 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.039 to add as many great offensive linemen to this thing 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.080 as I possible. And I know Cowboy fans don't want 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:05.400 to hear that right now. They want to hear running 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:07.640 back wide receiver. But after I figure. 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.560 Out though they didn't want to hear Michigan defensive tackle. 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:11.040 Now the don't want to hit none of this Brian. 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:11.840 They want to receiver. 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.960 But but yeah, we have to figure out, you know, Okay, 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:18.640 do we have to get better there or is this 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:20.560 something that we can live with? Brock Hobbin is a 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.719 fantastic example, and we may all disagree about how good 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.000 we think Brock is. Some people think we can get 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:27.560 a little better, some people think, oh, we can live 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:29.560 with him, and we both may be right. We just 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.240 got to figure out what side of the coin that's on. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.880 I think he's as good as a backup guard as 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.520 you could possibly get. And I think he's as good 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.800 as an interior flex center guard dude as you could 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.000 possibly get. A great way to put it, I want 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.400 dudes I look at because nobody cares what the Raiders 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.880 are doing, what Jacksonville is doing Philly. 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:51.839 They leave no stone unturned. 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:54.920 Seconds for Jalen Hurts on that first touchdown to throw 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:55.720 the football. 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:56.920 They leave no stone unturned. 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.520 So if I can get better than brock or I 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:01.480 know he's a you know, riogy left tackling all that, 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:03.599 but we can get better than him or better than Terrence. 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.400 I'm opening to listening how we can get better, especially 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:08.880 especially if you got questions about four and if you 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:10.160 got a questions about your running. 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.960 Back and questions about your left tackle that you drafted 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:14.760 last year in the first round as well. 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:17.560 And when has this team been as close that we've 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.400 seen them to maybe achieving an NFC Championship game appearance, 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:22.720 if not a Super Bowl. It's win the offensive line 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.080 and they've got a good running back, right, it's both 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:26.640 of them. It's both of them together. I know a 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.480 lot of people are going to argue, hey, the line 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.280 will make the runner. Right With this team, it seemed 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:33.880 to be a combination of the two. They had a 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:35.880 dominant line in twenty fourteen. They had an elite back 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.000 into Marco Murray. They had a dominant line in sixteen. 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.920 They had an elite back in Ezekiel Elliott in the 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.240 Great Wall at Dallas nineties, they had an elite line. 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:45.720 They had an elite back in EMMITTT. Smith. So you know, 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.080 let's go ahead and not just oh my. 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:49.800 God, we're gonna kick out the running back, because it's 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.960 all about the line both together. That's really what in 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:54.920 the history that Dallas Cowboys has made them. 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:56.560 Spec Okay, if I can't get him to say this, 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.240 are you terrified of these offensive lineman? 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.600 Absolutely, I feel like you're we're walking through a minefield here. 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:02.240 Yeah. 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.000 Yeah, see, that's what I'm not scared to say that. 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:05.520 No, No, I know you are. I mean, I know 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:08.480 you're not. But I agree. I agree with you about 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:10.400 the whole thing of trying to figure this thing out. 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:15.200 But sometimes sometimes, like I've heard, I've heard coaches say, 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.160 you know, good coaches, good players make good coaches. 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:19.080 Sure you know. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:20.960 And if you and if all of a sudden you 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:24.120 got some guys that can kind of overcome maybe a 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.160 little bit of lack of what's going on, you know 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.760 that way. But I tell you what I am. I'm 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.000 to the point when you ask the question about offensive 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.679 line that I'm trying to figure out, Okay, which one 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:39.480 of these guys can I live with, and which one 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.600 of these guys could come in here and fit and 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.480 help and do I'm having a problem with that right now, 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.280 And you're talking about drafts. I'm talking about draft prospects 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.000 right now, and I'm not. I sound like I'm the 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.679 sky's falling guy, but I'm just it to me. It 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.480 is I've grown a custom being with you guys, and 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:59.160 all of a sudden, it's like, man, you see these 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:03.480 offensive tackle see these guards out there. I don't get 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.840 that feeling with this crew. I get I get a 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:09.520 feeling of some good players. But like guy, we always 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.640 like to say the plug and plays. I need to 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.840 probably stop doing that because we learned plug and play 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.600 doesn't always work here. We thought it was full proof, 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:18.840 but it's not so. 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.600 Brian, me ask you who is your best guard? Whoever 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:24.240 best lineman in his draft? 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:24.600 Right now? 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.240 Who's who's who's the best guy in his draft? 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:26.400 For you? 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:28.080 I think it's the Ohio State kid. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:33.160 So so so so listen, take Josh Simmons versus last 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.240 year's like last year's grow where do you kind of 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:36.840 put him with Mams, with Morgan? 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.160 Do you put him with fuaganm Like? Where do you ring? 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.760 I think he's near the top of this thing. But 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.560 the problem I'm running into I'm dealing with an injured guy. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.080 Right off the jump, if this guy, if this guy 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.439 didn't have a knee injury, Bobby, tell me about this 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.640 some if I'm wrong. But you know, and you really say, well, 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.120 they they love taking hurt guys. They loved her. I 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:57.720 don't want to take a hurt guy. I really don't. 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:58.959 They don't in the first round. 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:01.680 I mean, but this year, you got only players that 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:02.840 are blanking lights at you. 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:06.360 Possibly there's so many guys in the first round of 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:09.319 this draft. There are corners that are hurt, there's there's 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:10.920 there's linemen that are hurt. 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:11.240 You know. 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:14.160 I mean, that's that's what I'm doing. I've only got 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.439 fifteen damn guys. I don't know about you, guys. I've 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:20.760 got fifteen guys in the first round that might be well. 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.160 I think I got three of them are hurt. Three 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.280 of them are coming off like major fifteen Yeah, wow, 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.000 of major knee injuries and stuff like that. 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:32.920 Put Simmons. Did you put Simmons in the first Yeah? 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:34.360 Because I did too. And he's a hurt guy. 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.240 Yeah. See. And same thing Morris in the corner from 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.160 Notre Dame. You got the hips have a kne he's 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.400 got a hip. But see, now I'm dealing with the 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.840 uncertainty of the offensive line of like, Okay, these are good, 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.480 these are good dudes, good good players. But you know 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.680 I'm picking at twelve. You know, I mean to me, 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.920 we could all sit here in poke holes in banks 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.560 the tackles. Yeah, and I mean me personally, I want 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.080 to play a guard. I'm okay, I don't know about 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.040 I don't know about everybody else, but yeah, okay, you 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:07.920 say See, I got in a discussion with people on Twitter. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.120 Really didn't get a discussion. When somebody says, ah, you're 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.560 an idiot, Brian, and you know he's gonna be a tackle, Fine, 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.840 I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go somewhere else. But I 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:16.360 would consider playing him at guard. 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:18.680 I think he's got the athleticism to do both. But 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:20.160 I did put in my notes think he can be 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.000 an elite guard if you can't inside. 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.079 I've got him at tackle right now. 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:25.080 But it's I had Tyler Smith at tackle too, and 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:25.880 he's an elite guard. 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.640 Convinced me. Then he convinced me about the tackle thing. 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:30.520 Convince me. I like the. 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.240 Footwork outside, I've seen it before. It was kind of 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.880 the opposite of Tyler Geyton and what he brought Tyler 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.560 Goyton brings the size, the athleticism, and a lot of 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:40.000 that power up front. 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:41.760 But his footwork was atrocious. 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.000 We talked about that last year throughout the draft process 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.280 and you weren't really excited about it. Goes to the 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.360 Senior Bowl, has an incredible day, and then does not afterwards. 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.640 Kelvin Banks, I think would dominate in a in a 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.199 phone booth as opposed to dominating on an island, if 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.720 that makes sense. Because I think his footwork is there. 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.319 I think he's good, but I think the strength benefits 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:02.840 better to the inside as opposed to the. 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:04.679 This is where I would disagree with you. I think 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.080 his feet get out of whack. I think that speed 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.520 the speeder up. Yeah, I thought he really struggled at See. 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:15.760 My issue with the footwork with Kelvin Banks is it's 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:17.559 it's so good in certain areas to me, like I 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:19.920 think his past that's look really clean. I like, but 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.120 they're not quick, no, no, no, But but I think 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.280 they're really clean. But then I watch him like whenever 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:25.800 I see him trying to climb to the second level, 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.360 I see clumsy feet and that's to me, Like we're 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.440 talking about what we want inside of guard. That's why 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:32.480 I would have him got to have that is because 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.599 that that ability to climb to the second level. I 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:36.679 don't know that I trust his movement skill skin in 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.080 the second level. I think it looks clumsy at times. 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:41.040 What do you think? 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:43.920 I think his best blocks are like his down blocks. 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.680 I think he reaches really well, but like that angrily 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:49.439 climbing stuff. He can't get a little wonky right there. 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:51.520 But but what I think is most important is can 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:54.920 he pass it as a tackle, because you know, I 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:56.720 think he can pass it, and as a guard, I 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:58.720 kind of want you to be more powerful. I kind 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.200 of want you to get really I don't think he's 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.600 grit powerful, gritty enough to be phone boof guard guy. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.800 But if he's like, okay, you're a head up four 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:08.480 or five kind of guy, I can kind of phone 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.520 boofy there. But out on the inside with like one 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.120 and the three, I don't think he's powerful like that. 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:14.679 But down blacks, like working sideways, that's where I think 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:15.640 he really shinns them. 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:17.480 See this is where I see him. I see the 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:19.840 strength and the power there. So I see that and 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.800 so but I don't see the space player. Sure, Bobby's 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.800 talking about second level stuff and all that, though, Like 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:27.439 you could go and do look at the metrics of 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:29.360 the Dallas Cowboys guarden and dependent en if to have a 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:33.439 new coaching staff or not. We'll see a lot of combos, 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:35.760 a lot of combination blocks, a lot of center guard 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.600 help each other, you know a lot of those. Yeah, Well, 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.400 I mean I'm talking about inside the tackles. They leave 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.360 those poor dudes out there for eighty five percent of 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:43.760 the time. 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:45.719 And the other thing is the stunts, Right, how many 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.040 times did this team have an issue picking up stunts? 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:48.240 Yeah? 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.080 And I think Calvin Banks is a guy that does 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.360 process and see that, and they're able to switch and 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.520 pick some of that stuff up, recognize when the blitz 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.280 is coming, some of that stuff with defenders. I wonder though, 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.000 And I don't want to interject whatever you're about to say. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.559 Your body plays that. You can answer this afterwards. But 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.000 who do you think is a better power player if 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.320 you kicked him inside? Is you're lsu Tiger Will Campbell, 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.200 who I also think could be a good guard, or 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:09.160 Kelvin Banks Junior. 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:12.320 I think I think I think Banks is a stronger guy. 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.160 I think Campbell is more fleet of foot, if you 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.440 want to put it that way, I think, I think 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.280 I think Banks is just a more powerful guy. The 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.200 thing about it is you can see Campbell's second level 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.720 and stuff like that. To Bobby's point, but I've also 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:28.600 see him like he gets a two point stance kick 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.320 kick kick, he's out there, you know, Banks, it's a 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.080 little bit. It's not as quick with Campbell. I see it. 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.480 If you said Campbell play tackle, I'm in Campbell played 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:39.440 guard not so much. I don't think. 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:41.920 First of all, I got a two on Campbell, and 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:43.600 I'm ready to flot it in at the kind of not. 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:45.520 I think. 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:48.640 I think probably a high to Yeah, yeah, sure well 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.720 he'll he'll go go in the seventeen. 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:53.480 I think he gets a little high for me to 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.000 be playing guard, Like he gets straight leg, like he's thinking, 0:14:56.280 --> 0:14:58.240 like first of all, his stance is already up, and 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.040 then he's kind of a tall to dude already. So 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:01.920 if you're playing guard, I kind of want you to 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.280 be able to bend so that you can dig guys. 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:06.240 And that's why I think Banks is really good. Like 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.640 Banks does get down. Yeah, I have a hard problem 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.320 a hard time seeing will Campbell get down like that. 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.360 I heard Dane say something a couple of weeks back 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:17.360 that I thought was interesting. So Will Campbell is his 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:20.040 top offensive line He's my top offensive lineman, and I 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.200 don't feel great about the offensive line class. But are 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:25.720 you convinced that if Tyler Geiden's in this draft, Will 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:28.320 Campbell goes before Geyton because Dane said he thinks Geyton 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:30.240 goes ahead of him if he's in this class. 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:31.920 I disagree. 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.920 I think Dyton does go ahead of him in this class. 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:35.720 And we got to take his rookie year out of 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:36.560 the Yeah, yeah. 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.000 Seration just whatever the value is coming out of Oklahoma. 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.760 Yeahah, well if you got through all the holding penalties 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.520 at Tulsa, you know you kind of got through all that, 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.120 you know, Yeah, you would say. 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:50.520 With Tyler, Yeah, yeah, we're talking about Tyler. 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:52.080 Tyler Smith. 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.600 Yeah. Does Dydon is an evaluation go ahead of Will 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.000 Campbell for the league? I think for most of the 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:57.520 league Dighton would have been higher. 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:58.120 Boy, I don't. 0:15:58.280 --> 0:15:58.960 I disagree. 0:15:59.000 --> 0:15:59.720 I totally disagree. 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:04.280 If you think Campbell, I'm yeah if you think Campbell 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:04.960