WEBVTT - Pasatiempo Is So, So Good 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.800 I miss a green for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.920 And when I find my ball in a bride egg 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:10.600 Friday Egg, the dreaded Frida Egg, Friday, Frida Egg Egg, 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:13.320 Frida Egg, Bride Egg, Lie, I'm about ready to run off. 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:13.640 Of the hump. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.839 Hello and welcome to the Frida Egg Podcast. My name 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:41.479 is Garrett Morrison. I am here with Andy Johnson, or 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:44.720 at least a portion of Andy Johnson. You've had a 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.280 rough go of it lately. How are you doing, Andy. 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.240 Garrett, I'm doing well. I feel like a million bucks 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.200 compared to however I was last year. I or last 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:57.040 week coming out of health and safety last year protocols 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.720 from from the Masters. So it's been a it's been 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:04.240 a long last few days. But we're back here. 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:07.680 Good. Yeah, No, it's it's great to have you back 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:12.160 at near full strength. So thanks for being here today. 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:17.200 So today we are going to be talking about Pas Tiempo, 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:21.680 probably my favorite course, and I'll get into why it's 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:24.160 my favorite course, but is it up there for you 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.800 as well? Just as a general impression. 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.600 Yeah, I think I would. Yeah, it's one of my 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.120 favorite golf courses. Would it be the course that I'd 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.160 play every day? Probably not. It's a bit of a 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:40.600 bit of a physical challenge for everyday place. But in 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:45.160 terms of bucket list golf courses, and especially when you 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:48.720 start to look at courses that anybody could play any 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:52.840 day of the week, pas Tiepo gets near the very 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:56.080 top of the courses you must see before you die. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.240 And I think in terms, you could make an argument 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.040 that of any American public golf course, you can make 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.120 an argument that this should be number one on your 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:09.760 bucket list because of the significance of the architecture, the 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:15.440 architect and where it sits in kind of American golf architecture. 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.600 Its main competitor for that number one spot I feel 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.119 for the public golfer would be Pebble Beach. 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.799 Right, I would say, I would actually argue, I think 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:29.400 Pebble Beach obviously has you know, the architectural significance of 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:33.640 Pebble Beach is rather small in comparison. I mean, Pebble 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:38.239 Beach's significance has been founded through its beautiful site and 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:43.960 its historic moments of championships that have happened there PASTA 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:48.679 Tiempo is probably the greatest architect of all time and 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:54.280 public access and mostly almost everything there is original of 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:58.480 what was built. I would say the place that rivals 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:00.079 it Pinehurst number two. 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:04.680 In terms of architectural significance significant. 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:09.840 I'm saying from pure design standpoint, I don't think because 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:11.680 you could go play a lot of there's a lot 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:16.000 of Bill Corr or Tom Doak public golf out there, 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.560 like you could you know beyond if you want to 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:22.560 take bandoned trails and Pacific dunes and put those is 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:27.040 to places, right, but there's there's very there's very little 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:32.560 public access Alistair McKenzie in America. And then with with 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:34.800 Pineers number two, it would be you know, one of 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:39.480 maybe the top doll ross golf course right where another 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:43.480 legendary golf architect of the Golden Age that you can 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.720 go see. So from an architecture standpoint, I think you 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.320 can make an argument this should be number one on 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:50.080 your bucket list. 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:53.080 Yeah, I mean I think I would put it there. 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:56.920 I would say that I am biased, and just to 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.920 give an idea of my relationship with this course over time, 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.520 it was probably the first truly great golf course that 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.640 I played. I played it when I was thirteen or fourteen. 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:10.560 I believe it was nineteen ninety eight with my dad. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:14.440 This was prior to the work that Tom Doak and 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.719 his team at Renaissance Golf Design did there, and so 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:21.120 the course was, you know, had a ways to go 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.320 before it could get to the course that it is today. 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.599 But even then it made such a massive impression on me, 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.680 and throughout my life, I've had the opportunity to get 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.320 back there a number of times. I lived in the 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.400 Monterey area for a few years, and I would get 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.599 up to Pas Tiampo two or three times a year 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.440 and play it. This is just one of my absolute 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:47.320 favorite places to go, and I think it really is 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.000 my favorite golf course. It's probably not the best golf 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:53.960 course that I've played overall in terms of its capacity 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:58.120 to meet its full potential, but just in terms of 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:01.520 the place and the design and what it has meant 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.640 to me, it's my favorite course. You know that this 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.680 is the place for me, and so I truly love 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.880 this golf course. Now we are going to have a 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:16.120 honest and nuanced discussion of this course. It's not going 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.960 to be all puffing Pas Tiempo up because this course 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:24.279 has some flaws and also the club has made a 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:29.240 decision recently about the future of the course that there 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:33.479 could be a debate about. You know, they're about to 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:37.919 rebuild their greens essentially, and they're doing this with the 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:41.040 best of intentions, apparently to you know, restore some of 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.279 the Mackenzie features that have supposedly been lost over time. 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.680 But there is a again, an honest and nuanced discussion 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.520 to have about that decision. So those are the places 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:54.479 that we're going to go in this podcast. But I 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.279 think first we just wanted to talk about the course 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:01.680 itself and some of the design features that really make 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.239 it special. So why don't we start with the front nine. 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.400 The front nine gets somewhat underrated because the back nine 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.039 is so brilliant, and we're going to get to the 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:16.000 back nine, but the front nine is really remarkable. 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.719 Yeah, it's it's super good. I think the back nine 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:21.920 obviously is one of the best nines in all of golf, 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:25.680 and I think that's where you get obscured a little bit. 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.560 But the front nine is kind of one of those 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:33.880 instances where you sit and there's a lot of great 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.839 holes on it. There's a really great stretch of holes. 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:40.880 I think two through five is phenomenal. But what I 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:44.000 always kind of go back to is, man, I wish 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:47.239 one was the way it should be. I wish six 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:49.880 was the way it should be. I wish seven was 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:52.080 the way it should be. I wish nine was the 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:54.760 way it should be. And that's what kind of holds 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:59.159 me back from kind of truly loving the front nine. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.599 I always find myself though, what I'm either in, like 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.920 the second fairway or the thirty or the second green. 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:09.279 At that point, I'm just like, God, the front nine 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:11.760 is really great, is what I always think to myself. 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.200 Well, okay, so I've done a poor job of setting 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:18.160 this episode up. We've kind of gone straight into talking 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.440 about the golf course, but should mention it's an Alistair 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:25.480 mackenzie design. It opened in nineteen twenty nine. It had 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:29.600 an opening day where Bobby Jones played alongside a few 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:34.120 other great players of the time, including Marion Hollins, who 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:39.400 was a fantastic golfer, and she was the driving force, 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:43.720 the visionary behind the Pasa Tempo project. She was also 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.720 a very important figure in the building of Cyprus Point Club. 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:51.200 She worked for Samuel Morse was the director of athletics. 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.920 I believe for the Pebble Beach Company. Pasa Tiempo was 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:59.120 Marion Hollins's baby. Marion Hollins was recently inducted into the 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.720 World Golf Hall of Fame posthumously, but it was a 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:07.640 great moment to appreciate her incredible career and contribution to golf. 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.120 Pas Tiempo is at the center of that contribution. She 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:16.480 was behind every decision about this entire development, and it 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:19.040 really is a development. It's not just a golf course. 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:23.720 It's also a residential community and it was imagined that 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.880 way from the very beginning. Okay, so that's just laying 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.240 some groundwork in case people didn't know about the backstory 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.199 of Mackenzie and Mary and Hollins. These are the major 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:39.920 driving forces behind this whole creation. Okay. So the front nine, 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.000 it kind of has two sections, right, there's this upper 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.720 section and there's this lower section. And in the upper 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:52.120 section our holes one to nine, most of six, seven, 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:57.360 and eight, and then the lower section consists of holes two, three, four, 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:03.480 and five. The lower section is brilliant and very much intact. 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:08.640 The upper section. Those holes were originally designed to be 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:13.360 have these big, wide shared corridors and since nineteen twenty nine, 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:18.119 there have been trees planted to separate out the fairways, 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:20.840 and so those holes no longer share fairways. They have 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.800 their own fairways, and a couple of those fairways are 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:27.679 pretty narrow, pretty restricted, and the holes just played differently 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.800 than they were designed to play, and that's just kind 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.400 of the reality. I'm not sure that's going to change. 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:37.600 And so there are some places in that upper section 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.319 of the front nine that feel cramped. 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.880 Yeah, I mean, and that's I think the big question 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.920 about the golf courses is what makes what happens with 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:51.080 those holes over the next, you know, fifty years. Obviously 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:55.760 the reason that they were planted was safety. Somebody lost 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.719 their life on the eighth green from a wayward t 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.200 shot from the seventh so they planted a bunch of 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.680 trees to prevent that kind of thing from happening. 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:05.800 As there's a fence up there too. 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:07.559 You might want to do. You know, you don't want 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:12.280 people dying on your golf course. And you know the 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:17.200 thing about it is the trees really mask how good 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:20.040 the greens are there. Like the sixth Green is a 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:25.000 terrific green, you know, with so many neat little kind 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.840 of nooks. You know, you have that left nook and 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.240 then you have the back one that that part of 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:35.160 the back that runs away there. And what happens is 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.560 that that hole gets so narrow that you lose the 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.200 dimension of really wanting to push up and go for 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:45.120 it because it's so narrow at the green because of 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.040 the houses that came in. And then you have the 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.680 trees on the right, and then the seventh, Like the 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:52.880 seventh is one of the best greens on the golf 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:57.200 course and it's really obscured by the trees making it 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:59.480 you know, opening that up would be make it such 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:03.320 a fun little drive and pitch hole. And I think 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.480 that that that hole, you know, you when you're at 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.800 seven green. The only reason I know this is because 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:14.480 I'm flying a drone, you know there, But the you're 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.680 right next to the third green and the fourth tee, 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.880 and it's really an amazing thing. Like you get spun 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.760 around by that routing a lot, but it's a really 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.360 cool little focal point. And you talk about the upper 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.160 and the lower holes, you're effectively just on the ridge 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:33.160 above those those greens there, and it's you're no more 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.280 than fifty yards. You're basically there's just a house between. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:39.920 You, yeah, And what separates the upper section of the 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.160 front nine from the lower section of the front nine 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:46.640 is this hill and the hill and now has houses 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:48.400 on it, and so it's a little bit hard to 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:52.959 see the natural feature, but it is this little hill 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:57.160 in the middle of this general down slope, and a 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:01.160 bunch of holes play around this hill. So the second 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:05.160 hole goes along the side of the hill. The third hole, 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.600 a long par three spectacular hole, plays back up into 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.440 the hill. The fourth hole plays off of the hill, 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.520 the sixth hole plays along the other side of the hill, 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.760 the seventh hole plays back into the hill as you 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.200 were saying, and getting pretty close to the third green 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:22.599 and the fourth tee, and then eight plays off of 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.880 the hill. So in that way, this is sort of 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:27.600 a classic Mackenzie routing. He did this at Cypress Point. 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.720 He did this at Valley Club, where there was a 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.199 hill or in the case of Cypress Point, a dune, 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.360 and a bunch of holes play into and off of 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.880 it in different ways. The same thing was done at 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:40.760 Pasa Tiampo on the front nine, but it's a little 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:44.240 bit hard to see because of the trees and the 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.600 development that has happened on the fringes of the golf course, 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:50.839 but it's certainly still there. That principle of that routing 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:51.360 is still there. 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:56.160 What's interesting, too, is that the back nine actually plays 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:00.400 in and out of a valley. Effectively. The focal point 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.520 on the back nine isn't a high hill. It's actually 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:07.160 a low valley, and everything kind of spires off of that. 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.120 It is a meeting point. If you think about the 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:14.480 back nine, the tenth, the sixteenth, the twelfth, the eleventh, 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:19.040 t the thirteenth tee, all of those that area right 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.160 there is at kind of a low point. 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.840 Yeah, and well the Baranka runs through the lowest point 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.240 of all, and so all those holes on the back 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:30.520 nine center around that, you know, that low point where 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.760 the water runs through. So in any case on the 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.840 front nine, if you were to point people to a 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.839 hole that you think represents the best of the front nine, 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:41.160 where would you go? 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:44.840 I really like the fourth It's a short, shortist Part four. 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:47.760 One of the things I like about it it's got 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:52.319 a few key McKenzie features. It's got the layered bunkers 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.760 that everybody likes to point out, the camouflage. It's got 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:59.720 a bunker in the fairway that's probably about ninety yards 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:02.880 away from the green. Seventy to ninety yards, I don't 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:07.080 know exactly off the top of my head. And then 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:11.000 that bunker appears to be kind of like stacked right 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:14.760 up against the green side bunker, and it looks from 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:17.920 the tee like it's all one big bunker complex, but 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.880 in reality there's a huge gap between them and the 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:25.880 green side bunkers. There's a bunker also short and right 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:29.040 off the tee. And what I think is really interesting 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:32.200 about it, and you know, kind of picked up the 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:34.960 latest time that we went around it, and it's because 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.640 you hit your shot over to the right. I hit 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:41.240 mine way up just short of that bunker. Perfect spot 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:42.520 the left. 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:43.240 The one on the left. 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.040 You hit yours over kind of over the right bunker, 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.840 but you know, kind of shorter off the tee, and 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.480 we both had really good avenues into a right pin. 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.520 And what was interesting was your shot. You were able 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.040 to use a feature on the green, which is you know, 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.560 it kind of is built up on the left to 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:07.640 funnel your kind of slingshot your ball towards the middle 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.840 of the green from that right side. Well, mine, I'm 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:14.240 staring right down you know, perfect angle to hit to 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:18.600 that to a middle right pin, and you know it is. 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:23.280 You know, there's just different methods, different routes. And something 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:25.720 I think with Alistair Mackenzie is he's one of the 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.920 few not great players truly great. Now he could get 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:33.800 the golf ball around, but he wasn't a great distinguished 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.520 amateur champion. And I think one of the things that 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.880 that did was it created a sympathy for lots of 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:44.960 styles of play, and he accommodated different types of players 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:48.120 with different options of play. And that's a perfect example. 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:52.800 On the fourth is that being long and left is ideal, 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.240 but if you're short and right, you're not out of 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.680 the equation yet you still have a shot if you 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.720 understand the contours of the green, and that green's really cool. 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:05.800 It's kind of got a left tier, a front leftier, 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:10.080 a right mid right tier that's depressed down into kind 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.360 of a bowl, and then a back right tier. It 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:17.280 embodies those those Mackenzie greens where that bolpin is really 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.840 gettable and everybody can kind of get at it. It 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.560 looks harder than it is because it you know, if 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.760 you if you didn't understand the contours, you might think 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.800 that's the toughest pin. But then that back right pin 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.840 is so hard. It's such a small little target. So 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:37.240 it's got this malleability about it where it's got these 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:41.080 pins that are really difficult, really hard to get at 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.960 and make birdie. But it's also got some pins that 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.600 are really fun funnel pins that you can make a 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:47.760 lot of birdies. 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:51.400 With great hole. Now the second green, the fourth green, 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.920 the fifth green, all are really good examples. I think 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.080 of how Mackenzie was designing greens when he was building 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:02.120 Passa Tiempo, and they have these kind of amoeba shapes 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.760 to them, where there are these little fingers that kind 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.679 of extend out from the center of the green, and 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.000 then there are bunkers that kind of fit into the 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:14.040 notches that those fingers create. I know I'm mixing metaphors here, 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.359 but just imagine these sort of amoeba shapes with bunkers 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.560 kind of stuck into them. And a lot of the 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:24.879 greens that Pasa Tiempo have these shapes, and it just 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:27.800 gives a great variety of pin positions and all that 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:31.960 kind of stuff. Now, in addition to the weird shapes 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.359 that the greens have, they have wonderful contours as well. 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:39.480 They're all very different. This is a truly kind of memorable, 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.320 wonderful set of greens. 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:44.119 Yeah, the greens are I think on top of the 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:50.680 topography is jaw dropping, but the greens are really you 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:55.639 could just spend so much time putting around hitting different 0:17:55.680 --> 0:18:00.919 little sections, and you know, it's the perfect example. I 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:04.160 always talk about how hard it is to have bad 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:08.160 holes when you have great greens, and how great greens 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.680 are fun to play from anywhere, like any yardage. If 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:15.680 you put like truly world class greens, you could play 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.280 from twenty yards, you could play from two hundred yards, 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.840 you could play from six hundred yards, and the hole 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.360 is going to be fun because of the green. And 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.520 I think about a lot of the greens out there 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.959 and how enjoyable they would be to have in your 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:33.920 backyard because they present so many different quirks and shots 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:37.800 in places where you can use slopes to bank them 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:41.400 off into little pockets. You know, there's easy spots, there's 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.800 difficult spots, and you know, the greens have a wonderful 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:50.159 variety and cadence to them. They are intense. Let's not 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.560 be you know, let's not beat around the bush. These 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.200 are probably some of the most difficult greens to put 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.719 on in the country, just because of the combination of 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:03.160 their slope as well. Is there different positions that these 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.399 pins you can find them in. It just they have 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:08.520 these pockets. They're so hard to get at. 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:13.679 Yeah, they're almost sort of experimental. And you know, coming 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:17.919 off of this podcast that I did with Bob Crosby recently, 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:21.720 Bob was a contributor to the Postmasters episode that I did, 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.679 and he talked about how Augusta National late in Alistair 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.520 McKenzie's career, was part of an attempt to find a 0:19:29.640 --> 0:19:32.840 kind of new way of doing architecture. You know, Mackenzie 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:36.679 at this point was looking for other options, ways to 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.359 kind of change what he was doing. Now. By the 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:43.000 time he got to Augusta, mackenzie had become convinced that 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.680 golf courses that were built in the twenties just had 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:49.280 too many bunkers, and he was looking for ways to 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.880 reduce the number of bunkers. Pasa Tiempo does not reflect 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:56.320 that mode of Alistair McKenzie's thinking. There are a lot 0:19:56.320 --> 0:20:00.240 of bunkers out there. They're very artistically presented, a specially 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:03.760 around the greens. There's a kind of excess to them, 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:08.200 but a real beauty as well. So we're not dealing 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.639 with a Mackenzie who was kind of trying to limit 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:12.480 the number of bunkers that he was building on his 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:16.840 golf courses. But I think where you get the experimental 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:21.080 nature of mackenzie's later career at Pasa Tiempo is in 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:24.440 the design of those greens. They are just different from 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:27.399 what he was building earlier. You just have to go 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.280 look at Metal Club, which is a beautifully restored course, 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:33.280 a wonderful golf course. So I don't mean to slam 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.600 Metal Club for having uninteresting greens, because they're certainly not that, 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.600 but they're really really different. And Metal Club was built 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:44.679 just really a few years before Pasa Tempo. But by 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.240 the time McKenzie got to Pasa Tiempo, he was just 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:51.520 clearly looking for different ways to do things, you know, 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:55.560 and these greens are a great example of that attempt 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:55.960 I think. 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:58.679 Yeah. So one other thing that I picked up on 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.359 Big played Pasta Tiempo a couple of weeks before the 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.280 Masters of that's spending a week there, you know, I'm 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:10.560 particularly enamored with the ground contours that Mackenzie built. They're 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.040 all over the place at Augusta, nashvill and a lot 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:15.600 of them have been taking out, taken out, you know, 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.119 some of them. And they are all over the place 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:20.879 at at Pasta Tiempo. And what I mean by that 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:25.480 is like mounds that are by no means natural, but 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:29.480 they were created to influence play. And there are these 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:33.480 contours that they help you if you're approaching from the 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:35.840 right angle. They hurt you if you're approaching from the 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.080 wrong angle. But one place where if you see an 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:43.320 old photo of one at Pasta Tiempo, you see those 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:46.760 beautiful mounds that were kind of littered the fair away, 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.240 and particularly the right side of the fairway, and the 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:53.159 obvious play was up the left, which is now a 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:57.240 driving range was the ideal play, and that got you 0:21:57.359 --> 0:21:59.439 kind of over by the left. There there was that 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:03.119 first Ranka really showed up there on the left side 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:06.000 of one, but you saw all these mounds, and the 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:09.720 mounds are still kind of there now, and those mounds 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:13.679 are on the un the safer line, and it's I 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:16.600 just love the randomness of that, Like, oh, you hit 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:19.000 it over to the right, you play safe, and you're 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:21.520 in effectively a mogl field. It'd be like if you 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:25.080 were doing a ski race and you know you had 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:30.200 one one route that was barren of moguls, but it's 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:33.720 a much tougher route to take to get to. And 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:36.840 then you know you have the safer, the wider, easier 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:40.119 route to get to, but it's filled with moguls. And 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:43.880 that's kind of like this this. 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