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Speaker 2: I'm joking about that big.

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Speaker 1: Time squirrel dog. I am squirrel hunting dog hunter. Yes,

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Speaker 1: how do you say that?

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Speaker 3: So squirrel hunter with dogs?

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Speaker 2: Squirrel hundred with dogs? I like, that's clean, clean. How'd

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Speaker 2: you get into that?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Goodness? It was in college and I was I went

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Speaker 3: out with a buddy one time and felt absolutely just

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Speaker 3: fell in love with it.

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Speaker 1: And it's was the buddy a guy or girl.

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Speaker 3: It was a guy, okay, and it was. What I

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Speaker 3: love about it is you can go out. It's like, well,

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Speaker 3: after deer season and everything else is over, duck season,

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Speaker 3: you can still go out until the end of February

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Speaker 3: in most states, And yeah, how'd.

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Speaker 1: You get a shirt? And says it's usually squirrel season.

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Speaker 3: It's oh my gosh, it's always squirrel season. Somewhere. You

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Speaker 3: can get a spring, squirrel season, fall winter.

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Speaker 1: It's all right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can get normally go squirrel hunting.

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Speaker 3: You can normally go squirrel hunting.

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Speaker 2: So you got turned onto it. But that's like a

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Speaker 2: whole commitment to get the dog.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so I got into it right away. Got

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Speaker 3: my first dog and tring feightt in college and had

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Speaker 1: For about ten she was that's who's on your phone?

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Speaker 3: And that's who's on my phone. Still it's terrible. Not

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Speaker 3: my kid, not my other dog.

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Speaker 1: A dog's the dog.

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Speaker 3: A dead dog is on my phone.

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Speaker 2: Where'd you go to college?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a long story, and I don't I'm.

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Speaker 1: Just curious, like where where you were at the made?

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Speaker 3: I was at University of Georgia at the time, but

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Speaker 3: I started at Florida State. I went to University of Georgia,

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Speaker 3: to Clemson University for my pH d and then University

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Speaker 5: See, oddly enough, your reaction was the same as a

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Speaker 3: So I did not.

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Speaker 2: Really said we preferred you didn't come back to college.

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Speaker 3: Yep. I didn't want to get a job anto the

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Speaker 2: But you were brought up in Kentucky.

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Speaker 3: Actually I was brought up in Florida, but Kentucky's where

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Speaker 3: So but I was born in Mississippi. Yep, born in Mississippi,

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Speaker 1: But then you spent a lot of your career in Kentucky.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So, actually, when I was working on my PhD

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Speaker 3: at Clemson University, I was working on the Elk Restoration

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Speaker 3: Project Act for Kentucky. So we came out west, grabbed

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Speaker 3: And so I went to Clemson for the professor and

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Speaker 1: You know, I later killed one year elk?

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Speaker 3: Did you really what year did you come out? I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're hunting elk in hardwoods and we were fine

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Speaker 3: Well, I have two right now, But I've had I've

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Speaker 1: Good. Uh uh, you'll appreciate this. This is a listener feedback.

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Speaker 1: But it has to do with Kentucky, right, So you

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Speaker 1: have some subject matter expertise. This guy in Kentucky rights

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Speaker 2: Like happy at the end.

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Speaker 1: He took hunter safety, which in Kentucky there's a field

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Speaker 1: day requirement. Yes, it seems like like do you speak

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Speaker 2: A lot less field days. But he had a field

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Speaker 2: He thought he'd be there till noon.

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Speaker 1: When he gets there, to tell him to get in line,

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Speaker 2: The bolt and he's passed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's wondering, is the reason is it more?

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Speaker 1: Is there more to it? Out West or less to it.

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Speaker 1: It's not a West past thing, not at all.

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Speaker 3: No, it is the state by state. Some states have

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Speaker 3: But then others it's the requirement can they safely shoot

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Speaker 1: I feel that they could safely do away with that

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the field day.

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Speaker 3: The field day, well, if you think about it, a

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Speaker 3: So if you're hunting with somebody else, you know you

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Speaker 1: Uh So to answer your question, no, it has nothing

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, there's a there's a big stir amongst the

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Speaker 5: has seen a lot of importance put on hunter's education

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Speaker 5: I don't want to I don't want to get my

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Speaker 4: Let's just hop online.

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Speaker 6: In Montana have to take it and they have to

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Speaker 1: They don't know not education.

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Speaker 2: No you can do you don't you do it.

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Speaker 6: I'm saying, if your if you live in Montana and

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Speaker 2: In Monteo field.

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Speaker 1: Day, Yes, but they could bypass it by doing I

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Speaker 1: don't want to give dirty seat. Bypass it by having

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Speaker 1: your kid do a different state online in Montana ex episode.

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Speaker 5: Online Texas twenty minutes versus all that hassle.

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Speaker 3: Well, but also they say it's a barrier, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Like they say it's a barrier to get people into

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Speaker 1: But if your kid does the two year mentor program,

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Speaker 6: Mentor's got a good mentor, right, Okay, but.

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Speaker 1: The mentor has to be someone twenty one.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, or is it twenty one or eighteen eighteen?

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Speaker 1: So the mentor's got to be of good standing licensed

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Speaker 1: in eighteen. I'm saying, yeah, they can never go out.

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Speaker 1: But if you go out and do a lot of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know it's very it's.

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Speaker 2: Very I get very impassionate about the subject.

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Speaker 6: To get out of field days? Like it's like getting

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Speaker 7: Come on a burn mind, And you shouldn't be able

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Speaker 5: I did a hunter's education in Missoula, and you know,

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Speaker 4: Oh little and you're like, yeah, secret shopper.

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Speaker 5: Well, if you want to have more dirty secrets out there,

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Speaker 5: there's no standardization for Hunter's education. So if you type

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, right, well that's what I feel like I'm doing.

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Speaker 4: What right, because like Montana's numbers.

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Speaker 1: It's not like a social Security number if.

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Speaker 5: You go to California, completely different.

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Speaker 1: It's odd that col with no children has such an

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Speaker 5: Well, because you know, just a concerns I participate in

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Speaker 1: One of these people that's going to shoot me something.

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Speaker 4: Exactly.

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Speaker 5: Or you know, it's like the giant pile of human

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Speaker 7: That's just someone on their way to work, right, you

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Speaker 4: You know, like my big chip on my shoulders.

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Speaker 5: I feel if you're an hunter's education instructor out there,

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: You're taking a lot of time for those children who

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Speaker 5: just you know, they're not paying attention to the Fishing

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Speaker 5: It's like we need to find out completely different mechanism

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Speaker 3: But I think if you like take those hunter safety

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Speaker 3: So if you're not somebody, you know, a twelve year

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Speaker 5: If there's a driving portion, there should be a deer

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Speaker 3: See? Interactive and fun? Yes? I like it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you know what was making me nervous yesterday is

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Speaker 2: We went out and layout blinds.

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Speaker 2: That was stressing me out. Man.

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Speaker 1: No one did anything dumb, but it's just a lot

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Speaker 3: But don't and don't shoot the dogs, don't.

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Speaker 4: Right? And it just it man, a doun't.

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Speaker 5: It takes time to like be like, okay, this is

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Speaker 1: I've been working on that trait, that trait of men,

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Speaker 2: I'm not putting it on you. I'm not going understand it.

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Speaker 3: But it's people do that, but I can.

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Speaker 7: It's a very male thing to do, especially talking about vehicles.

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Speaker 3: I just lack of knowledge.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, although I I got over it when I working

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Speaker 7: if I just clarify things right off the bat.

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Speaker 2: Sure. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this about hunting with kids and layout blinds,

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Speaker 1: they'd shoot the geese forere. I could get my box

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Speaker 1: fast they're just like wired fast. Uh, we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: one more bit of feedback, oh plus or this randall

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Speaker 2: He comes in.

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Speaker 1: All we've we found over the weekend, the greatest free

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Speaker 7: And by we he means his.

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Speaker 2: Family family, the greatest free range tree. Mine did not.

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Speaker 1: And Ramon has judgement. He's like talking about, Oh, I

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Speaker 1: And he shows me a tree and he tries to

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Speaker 1: I think, so it didn't groany limbs on that side.

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Speaker 1: And look, you just put it right against the wall.

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Speaker 1: It comes with a flat side. It comes.

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Speaker 7: You know what I don't like doing is is decorating

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Speaker 3: Well, you don't have to.

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Speaker 1: I want to look at all my ornaments.

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Speaker 7: I like my trees to have sort of.

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Speaker 2: A flat wall a week left side.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't it doesn't stick out into the room as far.

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Speaker 7: It goes right up against the wall. And you don't

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Speaker 2: On your way up? Were you telling your wife like

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Speaker 2: what we're looking for is what have you do?

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Speaker 7: You rotate your tree every few days.

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Speaker 1: You can appreciate all side trim that I flushed that

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Speaker 1: backside up with a sheer. But I don't look for one. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't look for one.

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Speaker 8: Mind.

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Speaker 6: Well, Randall's permit was for a management tree.

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Speaker 1: Mine mine didn't need require modification.

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Speaker 3: I think he's onto something. I think it's going to

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Speaker 7: Especially you know, if we had a smaller house, I'd

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Speaker 3: If you think about the ornaments you put on the back,

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Speaker 3: the really old crappy ones. You put this on the back.

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Speaker 7: So you see all the night, we haven't accumulated yet

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Speaker 1: Can have some art castaway? Yeah, I know, way to

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Speaker 2: Last piece of list of feedback. This is a good one.

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Speaker 1: This fellow says this his name's logan. I recently ran

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Speaker 1: everything around here is privately owned land. He's clarifying that. Well.

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Speaker 1: to monitor the deer activity on my side.

444
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 2: Of the fence.

445
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 1: Well, remember that Robert Frost, he was the poet laureate.

446
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 1: He had that fences about the two neighbors that get

447
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: together every year to like to reinforce the fence between

448
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: their properties. Good fences make good neighbors.

449
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 2: But he's kind of dogging on them.

450
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyhow, I normally wouldn't care who puts cameras where,

451
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: but the fact that it's placed less than five yards

452
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: from the fence and pointed directly on the trail I

453
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: used to get in and out of my boast and

454
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 1: really bothers me. He's wondering should he moon the camera,

455
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 1: should he give it the camera the finger? Or should

456
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: he get a big taxi during me deer and start

457
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 1: jutting it out in front of the camera now and

458
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: then to create the illusion of a giant buck in

459
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 1: the area that isn't actually there.

460
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Speaker 3: I personally like option three, but it's fun kind.

461
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 2: Or he might grab his own camera and point it

462
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 2: back at that camera.

463
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 8: That's what I'd do.

464
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 2: I would do. I would do.

465
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: I would hold all those and I would say to

466
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 1: the guy, maybe say to the neighbor, do you mind

467
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 1: not aim in your camera? Do you mind not aiming

468
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: your camera like deliberately onto my place?

469
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: Because I walked through there and it bothers me.

470
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: I remember Dug during they had a place out there,

471
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: and there's a neighbor had this wood lot and there's

472
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: this huge sign painted on plywood that said do not

473
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 1: shoot into these woods. And Doug wand to put one

474
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: on his side and said, do not shoot out of

475
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:25,199
Speaker 1: these woods.

476
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 3: That's good.

477
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 4: Doug's place is.

478
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 5: Man, if you climb up just about any tree stand

479
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 5: and look hard enough, you can find a little bit

480
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 5: of orange sticking out a Yeah, you're like, whoa, it's

481
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 5: crazy crazy. And some stone faced people out there too,

482
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 5: they don't even They're like, nope, you don't exist. I'm

483
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 5: just looking at the twenty five yards between me and you,

484
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 5: and that's yeah wild.

485
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: Another thing this guy could do is put a tarp up.

486
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, build privacy, like a privacy screen. Yeah, that

487
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: would bug the hell out of me, to be honest

488
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: with you.

489
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would definitely call for sure, But you know,

490
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 5: there's always something good that you're going to get out

491
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 5: of a conversation with the neighbor. But yeah, all the

492
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 5: funny things that you could do would be awesome. Just

493
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 5: have a little screen that you put up there and

494
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 5: have like a deer.

495
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: You know, have something that'll trigger the camera every five seconds,

496
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: gives so much noise that he'll never get through it

497
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 1: to find you walking around, kills the battery. So when

498
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: he pulls his card, it's like you have three thousand images,

499
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: you know, just a CD spinning out of the job. Yeah,

500
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: here's what we're not going to talk about, because people

501
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: do this all the time, some hosers and where Netherlands

502
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: where this is at?

503
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 4: Sorry? What they that buddy of mine that we were

504
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 4: talking about the other day.

505
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 5: He's got all the grizzly bears and wolves and stuff

506
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 5: on his camera, you know, things that just set cameras off.

507
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 2: Uh.

508
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 4: This is an observation that I made.

509
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, this camera, this squirrel keeps setting it off,

510
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 5: and he starts like going through and through and through.

511
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 4: See him there there there, see him there, see him there.

512
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 4: And eventually it dawned on me. I'm like, you know,

513
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 4: this squirrel is given this guy a lot of enjoyment.

514
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

515
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 4: Uh, Netherlands, sorry, are from Germany.

516
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 7: I don't care where they're from, the Netherlands and the.

517
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 3: Editors from Colombia. The research is based in Germany.

518
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: Okay, So these holders in Germany have determined they've they've

519
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: done a map where they look at the more wolf

520
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: attacks there are an area, the more the area is

521
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: prone to vote right wing.

522
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: All right, aren't you kind of saying.

523
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: Rural people tend to vote fire right because Ian Fraser

524
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: did the same thing in the US, where he's like,

525
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: the more wild hogs are in the area, the more

526
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: you're likely to vote Republican. But every election you prove

527
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: this over and over again that generally, I mean, there's

528
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: many many exceptions, but generally, rural areas generally vote right.

529
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: Urban areas is generally true. Urban areas generally vote left.

530
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: So I feel like you're just finding new ways to

531
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: say the same thing. You'd be like, the further of

532
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: part houses are, the more pickup trucks there are in

533
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: an area.

534
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 6: Based on livestock attacks too, right, not.

535
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: No, yeah, but I'm just saying it's like another way

536
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: of our It's another way of expressing like I might. Like,

537
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that wolves attacking livestock is happening in rural

538
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: agricultural areas in Germany and those people are voting different

539
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: than people that are in Munich.

540
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: So great work, guys.

541
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 7: Well, maybe they're having trouble identifying rural areas, so they found.

542
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: A new indicator. What would be the epitome of ruralness?

543
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: And some guys like, I guess it'd be like a

544
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: fucking wolf attacking a cow. That feels a rural to me.

545
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: All right, Karen, How are ducks doing in general in

546
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: the United States? Yeah?

547
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, so our North American waterfowl population is so I

548
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: don't know, if you guys follow, you know, when US

549
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 3: Fish and Wildlife Service at ducks unlimited. It's a big

550
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: day when the breeding population survey and habitat survey comes out.

551
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's always a fun day to see about. Yeah,

552
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 3: it's a big day, right, you look for that every year.

553
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 3: It's kind of like Christmas. But so what we saw

554
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 3: for this this year, I mean, numbers are still down,

555
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 3: but they came up. So for the first time in

556
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: ten years, waterfowl populations went up about five percent. So

557
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: of course that's going to be a lot of that's

558
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: going to be dependent on the pond surveys too, And

559
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: there was a lot of difference in pond surveys in

560
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: the prairie pothole region. And I'm sure all the listeners

561
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 3: know that are understand that waterfowl. You know, for for waterfowl,

562
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: for breeding, the prairie potholes is like sixty percent of

563
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 3: waterfowl nests there and then a lot twenty five thirty

564
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: percent or so in the boreal and in wet years

565
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: you have a lot more in the in the prairies

566
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 3: and the prairies of US and Canada. And so the

567
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: surveys tell.

568
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: People basically what you're talking about when you talk about

569
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: the prairie poth holes.

570
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the prairie potholes are going to be you know,

571
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 3: in southern Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and then into the US

572
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 3: prairies of North Dakota, Montana, the eastern part north of Montana,

573
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: the northern and eastern part of North Dakota, eastern part

574
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: of South Dakota, and goes down into Minnesota and a

575
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: little bit into Iowa. But most of the wetlands are

576
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 3: gone there. But that's the prairie pothole region and it

577
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 3: is a critical landscape for waterfound for Ducks Unlimited and

578
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: another waterfound enthusiast. It's like the priority landscape for federal

579
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 3: and state partners as well. But so what we're seeing

580
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 3: this past year with the pond counts is it's a

581
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 3: pretty diverse and dynamic landscape. So the US prairie potholes

582
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: were wetter than they've been in the last ten years,

583
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: so they actually had a big increase, like a fifty

584
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: percent increase from last year. But then the prairies in

585
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 3: Canada were the driest they've been in thirty years, and

586
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 3: so just shows that dynamic landscape and they were down.

587
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 3: So overall, the pond counts was like four percent higher

588
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: than last year, right around the long term average for

589
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 3: pond counts. And so you take those two things and

590
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: that's how the seasons are determined as far as how

591
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 3: the population's doing well. For the central Mississippi flyways, you

592
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: look at the pond counts and then the population and

593
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: that determines what the seasons are going to be. So

594
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 3: we look at that every year to look at what

595
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: the seasons are going to be for the following year.

596
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 3: So waterfowl populations, you know, there's a little bit of

597
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: good news. Mother nature has been helping us out a

598
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: little bit. It's still we've been in a long term drought.

599
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: It's going to take years of good weather at the

600
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: right time, right amount of moisture, you know, cold up north,

601
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: get a lot of snow cover, and then some good

602
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: rains to keep that to keep that going. But you know, potholes,

603
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: it's it's a normal cycle like we have you know

604
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 3: every however many years, thirty years, whatever it might be.

605
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 3: Remember the eighties were really bad. But you know, we're

606
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: droughts are important for wetlands to recharge themselves. So while

607
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: we don't like it as waterfowl hunters and it makes

608
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: us nervous. You know, we should be coming out of

609
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: that drought cycle and hopefully seeing some increased populations. But

610
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 3: we'll see. You know, the problem with the only problem

611
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: with when the water came and the prairies in the US,

612
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: it was after a lot of the those early migrants

613
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: came through, so a lot of your mallards and everything,

614
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 3: so they flew over because it was dry and they

615
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 3: went the boreal, which it's great. The boil landscape is

616
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 3: kind of like, it is good to have that because

617
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: it does provide a lot of nesting and production opportunities,

618
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: but typically waterfowl don't produce as well up there, so

619
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 3: the reproduction's not as well because the habitat's not as

620
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: rich and invertebrates and everything that they need for laying

621
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 3: eggs and that. It's just not as productive of a

622
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: habitat for waterfowl. But it's pretty darn good and it's vast,

623
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: so it's good to have. But typically what we see

624
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: a lot when waterfowl fly over the prairies is not

625
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 3: as many young birds in the bag as far as

626
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: the ratio of juveniles to adults in the serv in

627
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: the in the harvest information reports and everything else that

628
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: it's not usually that ratio is not as many young birds.

629
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: But we were seeing from biologists. We're saying that those

630
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: birds that did stay in the prairies or that came later, man,

631
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 3: they had great habitat, so we should have really good production.

632
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 3: And they were actually seeing that a lot of young

633
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: birds coming out of the coming out of the US

634
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: prairie podles. So it's a mixed bag.

635
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

636
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: Is it that if a duck's coming from me, he

637
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: goes south for the winter and he's flying up, he's

638
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: not like a salmon where he doesn't know exactly where

639
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: he's going.

640
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know. They it's they have done studies.

641
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 3: She had transmitters and showing birds coming back like so

642
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 3: close to where they had been previous years.

643
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: Right, you said they would shoot past.

644
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's no water, they'll shoot past, yes, and

645
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: find another place.

646
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, got it. So they want to kind of they.

647
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: Want to go where they come from. So yeah, it's

648
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: pretty neat. Is there's actually just to do a plug

649
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: for it. The movie Wings over Water. I don't know

650
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 3: if you've heard of it yet. Yeah, it's been out

651
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: a couple of years. It's an imax. It's really geared

652
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 3: towards kids. So but not just kids, but it's talking

653
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: about the prairie potholes. And it's not just waterfowl. Follows

654
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 3: a duck, fills a sand hill crane and a yellow

655
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: warbler and shows their migration from south all the way

656
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: up to the prairies and the importance of prairies and

657
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 3: all the landowners there and farmers and ranchers, and and

658
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: why the prairie pothole region is so important for all

659
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: sorts of species of birds.

660
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: What's the major thing besides that water level, what's the

661
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: major thing that drives duck up and down? Drives duck

662
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: numbers up and down in the United States?

663
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: So I mean habitat, right, So it's all tied to habitat.

664
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 3: And you know, pond count is a is a good

665
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 3: way of course. It's been going on since the mid

666
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 3: nineteen fifties and it's the longest running waterfowl population survey

667
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: missed two years because of COVID, but other than that

668
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: longest year, longest survey, and so you know, it's a

669
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: good indicator the more wetlands that are on a landscape,

670
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 3: which is what waterfowl need for the grassland surrounding grasslands,

671
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: so for you know, for nesting and everything as well,

672
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: and then for brood production and brood rearing. But the

673
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 3: more wetlands and smaller shallow wetlands are preferred over you know,

674
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: I'd rather have one hundred you know, one acre wetlands

675
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 3: than one one hundred acre wetland because they're very territorial

676
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: as well. So the more water you have on the

677
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: landscape from wetlands, the better production you're going to have

678
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: for waterfowl. And it follows it pretty pretty closely. You

679
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 3: can see waterfowl populations up and down, up and down

680
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 3: in it being with you know, the previous year's wetland production, got.

681
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 2: It, got it.

682
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: So wetland conservation, ducks and limited that's what's all about.

683
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 3: And you know, our priority landscape, of course is the prairies.

684
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: That's our number one priority landscape. We work all throughout

685
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 3: North America. We have a lot of landscape conservation priority

686
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 3: areas that are important for waterfowl because wintering habitat is

687
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 3: really important for waterfowl too. I have to get those

688
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 3: you have to have enough energy and the carbo high

689
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: raids and everything that they need for fat storage and

690
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 3: everything else to make it through those cold winters and

691
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 3: be able to come back up north.

692
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: But not that you hear about.

693
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: People say, like changing agricultural practices will really impact.

694
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, I'm like. So there was a study we

695
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 3: actually just finished using band band return. So from the

696
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: nineteen sixties until twenty nineteen, one of our biologists, Dr

697
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 3: Mike Brasier, along with doctor Webb with the Missouri co

698
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: Op Unit and then also US Fish and Wildlife Service

699
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 3: looked at bands from nineteen sixty to twenty nineteen, and

700
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 3: we looked at three different species of birds, mallard pintail

701
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 3: and blue wing teal, and then looked at different subpopulations

702
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 3: of where they came from, whether it was Canada and

703
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: the Boreal Canada, Canadian prairies and the Boreal Us prairies,

704
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 3: and then the Great Lakes and Eastern Canada, and then

705
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: looked at different months October, November, December, January. So getting

706
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 3: to your point, so pintails, if you looked in nineteen sixties,

707
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,479
Speaker 3: pintails were all along the coast, and the winter rice

708
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: in Texas was big, so all those pintails in January

709
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 3: and the nineteen sixties and seventies were all there. Now

710
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen and tens to nineteen that that population shifted.

711
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: You could see in January bird Band returns to Arkansas

712
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: the Missippi Alluvia Valley where the rice is so yeah,

713
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 3: it's really cool. It's all you can check it out.

714
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 3: We've got a it's on our website. But part of

715
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 3: that state was actually in the last magazine too. It's

716
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 3: really neat.

717
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: So looking at those they just found the rice production

718
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: and now that all that rice is down in Texas.

719
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 5: And yeah, Californians are super happy because they can shootin

720
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 5: two pintails a day.

721
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 3: No no, no, right, no, no, no, it's one right now.

722
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 3: But next year switch next year it will be three.

723
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: Oh and both the Mississippi, Central Atlanta all four flyways

724
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 3: will be at three next year, not this current year.

725
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: I have to be really careful.

726
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: What happens that, lady? Why is it going up?

727
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: So US Fish and Wildlife Service again, Okay, there's adaptive

728
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 3: harvest management models for all sorts of different species, and

729
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 3: we could spend a lot of time going into it.

730
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: It's really cool. We could geek out in the science

731
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 3: of it. But you know, pintails like you said Pacific flyway,

732
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: they're seeing so many pintails. Well, the thing is they

733
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: get their pintails not only from Alaska, but also from

734
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 3: the Canadian prairies and US prairies, and where those pintails

735
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: aren't doing as well.

736
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 4: We have a lot of pintails in Montana in the spring.

737
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: It's super cool.

738
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: Okay, you do, you should, And so what it is

739
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 3: they mix whereas mallards they have, you know, the mid

740
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: continent mallards, the western mallards, Eastern mallads, they don't really

741
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 3: they stay in their flyways. Pintails, it's a little bit different.

742
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 3: So they've been restricted to one. But the reason for

743
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 3: looking at it is trying the it's an experimental three

744
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're calling it quote unquote experimental season,

745
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: but it's a three year trial and if the numbers

746
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 3: don't drop below I make this a little wrong. Let's

747
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: say I think it's one point two million that will

748
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 3: be open for three birds. If it gets below that,

749
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: it'll drop to two to one or close season, depending

750
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: on where that population is. And so this year from

751
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 3: the breeding population survey, it's over the one point two

752
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 3: million mark or whatever that is. It's around there. But

753
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: the reason they're doing this is they're trying to really

754
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: see what are the effects. Is there an effect of

755
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 3: shooting three pentels on the population. We try to set

756
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 3: our populations. We US Fish and Wildlife Service ducks unlimited

757
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 3: is not part of it. I should make that clear.

758
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 3: But US Fish and Wildlife Service and scientists try to

759
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 3: make sure that you're not having the additive impact of

760
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: mortality in hunting. So what they want to see is

761
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: is there an impact from harvesting three birds on that

762
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 3: population or is it not additive? Is it compensatory that

763
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 3: hunter harvest?

764
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: Do you mind walking people through what that means?

765
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 3: Yeah?

766
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: Jobs, just people, Yeah, yep, yep, yep.

767
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 3: So if it's additive mortality, those birds would have made

768
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: it back to nesting and had a had a had

769
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: a successful nesting and had more more production the following year.

770
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: If it's additive from that harvest, and if it's compensatory,

771
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 3: then it's those birds wouldn't have made it anyway to

772
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 3: a certain number of birds aren't going to make it

773
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 3: back to breed because of their their life cycle.

774
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 5: God, And that's like when I go love hunting in

775
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 5: California and you do see. It seems very consistent that

776
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 5: you see more pintails than anything else, and so of

777
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 5: course you get more complaints about only being able to

778
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 5: kill one pin tail.

779
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, per day.

780
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 3: There's flying over you, just sitting there, flying over you.

781
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're myth because what's going on is that

782
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: that all those Sacramento rice field pintails are all hanging

783
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: out in Arkansas.

784
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 4: Now no, no, no, no, no, no no no, this

785
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 4: is different flyway.

786
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: So all I thought you're saying they shifted over to help.

787
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 3: What the hell are you talking about, lady? So no,

788
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 3: So the birds coming from the Canadian US prairies, some

789
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 3: of them will go down to Arkansas, some of them

790
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: will head over to California, and so it's not distinct

791
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: where they come from. So, in other words, the birds,

792
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 3: the pintails in the US and the Canadian prairies aren't

793
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 3: doing as well. The ones up in Alaska are doing well,

794
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: but they might they all come down into California, but

795
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: some of these from Canada.

796
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: So the Alaska ones aren't going to Arkansas, correct, I understand?

797
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 5: Now, okay, but you always have to tell those California folks,

798
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 5: it's like, well, they're not California pintails. They're kind of

799
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 5: everybody's in Montana. I can shoot one day and we're

800
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 5: growing them.

801
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: They just end up here. Yeah.

802
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing about waterfowl. It's I mean, it's

803
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,439
Speaker 3: pretty impressive to understand how US Fish and Wildlife Service

804
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: and the states because they have part of that through

805
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 3: the flyway councils and when I was in Kentucky, I

806
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 3: was on the Mississippi Flyway Council and manage waterfowl populations

807
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: for everybody because they are a migratory species, and you

808
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 3: know the amount of time and effort to that it

809
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 3: takes to determine the models that are going to be

810
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 3: best for those waterfowl populations to sustain them and do

811
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 3: not cause harm to those populations. It's a pretty important

812
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 3: job that the Service does, and that survey is is

813
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 3: critical and the reason one of the reasons why we

814
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: can make it happen. And also hunters right with with

815
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 3: your harvest information program, doing the hip survey every year,

816
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 3: answering the US Fish and Wildlife surveys, all of those

817
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 3: things are critical to help manage that that population of birds.

818
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: Have you ever done an honesty check on the hip

819
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,959
Speaker 2: survey has done that. Yeah.

820
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 3: Actually, yes, So here's what I give.

821
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: It straight on mine.

822
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 3: Right, here's wow got forty Yeah, like, you know, do

823
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: you want to like you've got some hunters that well,

824
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 3: I don't want to tell everybody that I'm killing a

825
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 3: whole bunch of birds.

826
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: You know, guys want to look like they get more

827
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: than they're getting.

828
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 3: But here's the thing about it. If we don't have

829
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 3: the correct survey information, then you know we're we're we're

830
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 3: not doing our part as hunters, right. That that's science

831
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: part of it. So what was happening in Kentucky, I'll

832
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: give this example. We had some of the worst hip

833
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 3: survey data results because what was happening if we think

834
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 3: is everyone was going to the Walmart to do their

835
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: hip to buy their license, right, I'm just saying Walmart, sorry,

836
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 3: any hunting store to go buy their license and and

837
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: then there right, Well, well I didn't want to pick

838
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 3: on Walmart, right, it could be.

839
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: A great place to buy a license.

840
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 3: So it is a great place. Walmart's great.

841
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, but slice Deli meat, your wa batteries, deodorant.

842
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: I just didn't want to I didn't want to say

843
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: it was Walmart. Employees, we're not doing a good job.

844
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: So but you know, I got the eighteen year old

845
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: behind the counter that's selling the license, and they get

846
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 3: to the hip survey and they just go zero zero

847
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: zero zero zero, here's your license right right, And they

848
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: don't ask them are you a waterfowl hunter? Are you

849
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 3: a migrant? Are you a dove hunter? Are you this?

850
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: Are you that? They don't ask them, They just go

851
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 3: about and and so then you don't know is the

852
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 3: hunter that you're not complying with the law and you're

853
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: not doing it right. You're thinking, you know, everything's fine,

854
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: you get your license. Well, so our data in Kentucky

855
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: was terrible. So what they what we did is we

856
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: instituted it was a law that you had to go online.

857
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: You could no longer at point of sale, even if

858
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 3: you bought your license point of sale, you had to

859
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 3: go online and do your hip survey. And so then

860
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 3: our data went from one of the worst in the

861
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: country to one of the best. That we were providing

862
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:39,479
Speaker 3: the service.

863
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: Stuff hard, you know what's good or bad.

864
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 3: So there are there are ways you can you can

865
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 3: fact check year after year after year of like certain hunters,

866
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 3: you know, to see if it's pretty normal. Oh they

867
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: killed you know, twenty twenty birds here and zero here

868
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 3: and twenty there so.

869
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 7: You can see still birds.

870
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 3: Well, that poor random line. It's real hard though, doesn't

871
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: he a.

872
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 2: Goof on Randall? Let's all have a laugh.

873
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 5: I got a question on the hip surveys. So last

874
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 5: year would be a good example, I guess, or still

875
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 5: this year, I guess. But hunting Missouri, hunt in California.

876
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 3: Gotta do it twice.

877
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 4: You gotta do it twice.

878
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 3: And that's another thing people don't know. It's an education is.

879
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 5: The expectation that it doesn't matter where you are, you're

880
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 5: filling out the number of birds that you got.

881
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: In aggregate in that location, in that in that state.

882
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 4: State. Yeah, if you need a.

883
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 7: Takeaway, you might have to attract that statement earlier about

884
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 7: always filling out your hip survey.

885
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, well was my intentions were when you buy it, well,

886
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 3: so it should be if you buy it, going to say,

887
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 3: they should ask you about year.

888
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 2: But you know what, I don't know off a goal somewhere.

889
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: I just never I didn't know that, Like I don't

890
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: know if you're if you go to Alaska and and

891
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: hunt for day every time you buy like you all

892
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: all in whatever you've been.

893
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: Up, Yeah, collectively, right, Yeah, it's not all in, no,

894
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: because they'll do they'll take it state by state and roll.

895
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: It all up.

896
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 6: That's not clear. They should fix that.

897
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: They should definitely.

898
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we are trying to stand for anyway.

899
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: Harvest Information Program and so we're actually we're actually trying

900
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 3: to help state Fish and Wildlife agencies and trying to

901
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: collect the most accurate data, working with US Fish and

902
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 3: Wildlife Service to in order to do that.

903
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: But huh interesting, what was your question about it?

904
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 5: Oh that it's like, are you filling it out for

905
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 5: your harvest information in that specific state or are you saying.

906
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 4: This is me, this is what I did last year.

907
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: Later today, you might send an email to the higher

908
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: up uh in the HIP program and tell them that

909
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: they they should clarify that point.

910
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 5: And it would create incredible efficiency. Did you hunt Missouri

911
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 5: last year?

912
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 4: Nope?

913
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: Okay, zero, yep, And so then of course, you know,

914
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 3: if you just go there one year and hunt, you

915
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 3: don't go back for a couple of years, right, So

916
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 3: then you're not collecting whatever. But they have they've got

917
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 3: all sorts of data management behind the scenes to figure

918
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: out things like that. So they work through those things.

919
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: They it's it's a pretty good system. But they are

920
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 3: working on improvements to the harvest information program so we

921
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: can collect the best survey data possible.

922
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: What let's say you're a hunter.

923
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: We can move on from the hip surveys.

924
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 4: I don't think I want to know who kills the

925
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 4: most snipe because.

926
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: When I lived out in Seattle, I was hitting big

927
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: snipe numbers, those good pintails.

928
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: A good snipe.

929
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: Now for those years I really liked because I could

930
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: get in there because normally you got to just skip

931
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 1: through all the coots and rails and snipes.

932
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: Really just got to go zero zero zero zero.

933
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: But I got to hit some snipes. That's pretty felt good.

934
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 2: Man.

935
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, the kid at Walmart was duly impressive.

936
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: Back fast.

937
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: And then oh, I should also mention, so when you

938
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 3: do that hip stuff, so that just puts you in

939
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 3: a category. So that puts randall will be in the

940
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 3: zero to whatever zero category, you would be in the

941
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 3: max category, right, I was pointing to steep by the way,

942
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: everybody Brownie points. But so once they do that, then

943
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: they select a certain number of people from that from

944
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: that that grouping and then they send out the more

945
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 3: into it survey. So that's so the individual one doesn't

946
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 3: really matters much. That puts you in a group. And

947
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 3: then that's when you get that big survey. And they

948
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 3: made it online last year for years.

949
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: I got roped into that all the wings and.

950
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 3: Ye, and so then that's when they asked you, I

951
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 3: can't resent those people.

952
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: I was into it for a year or two, but

953
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: I was like, good lord man, yep.

954
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 3: And so they'll figure out, like they'll ask you which

955
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: states did you hunt in? So you'll get get how

956
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 3: do you get picked for that?

957
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: That got to be a lot.

958
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's a it's a random It should be

959
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 3: a random generated in each of those categories. But they

960
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 3: don't have as many in that top end category that

961
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 3: you find yourself in.

962
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 2: So I was, I mean.

963
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: With you, I do a lot of like, you know,

964
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: my geese numbers, I'm using the zero to tenor right,

965
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, ducks. I guess I'll climb up into the

966
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: twenty to thirty now and then I'm not a big

967
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: waterfowl guy. Yeah, it's I appreciate it, But here's a

968
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: waterfowl management question. To move away from hip surveys. Uh,

969
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 1: people will point out, like I think it's widely understood

970
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: that there's some kind of arrangement between states and federal Right,

971
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: you can be duck hunting, you can get checked by

972
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: a FED, but Feds don't check you on your deer hunting.

973
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 2: But there's also like this, there's like an international component.

974
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: That's right, but does that have any teeth or first

975
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: can you explain, like what is the international component and

976
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: it doesn't have any teeth? Like meaning, would Mexico ever

977
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: be like, damn it, we're not getting any ducks down here.

978
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: You need to change your bag limits or would we

979
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: just be like mind your own business?

980
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 3: Like yeah, So the North American Waterfowl Management Plan and

981
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 3: it takes Canada, the US, and Mexico. Now, this is

982
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 3: from a habitat standpoint right the north the NAYWARP or

983
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 3: North American Waterfowl Management Plan and try to identify what

984
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 3: are those most important places for habitat and structuring it

985
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 3: that way. But then from an enforcement so you all

986
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 3: three have their own regulations and laws and how they

987
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 3: set that up.

988
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: And they don't cooperate on those laws now, and so.

989
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: If you think about it in Canada, everyone's like, man,

990
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 3: how come you can shoot so many up in Canada

991
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 3: but when they cross that line and into the United

992
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: States you can't.

993
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 2: How many can you shoot in Canada?

994
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what the like, is there

995
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: anything like we're at seven right now in Montana?

996
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 2: Is there anything more than seven in Canada?

997
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, absolutely one, So it's eight I think in

998
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: like Saskatchewan.

999
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: Do they have the three day possession limit.

1000
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of what their possession limits are

1001
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 3: in Canada. I'm not sure. We need to look it up.

1002
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 2: But there's an eight bird limit there.

1003
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an eight bird limit. No, I'm trying to

1004
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 3: think of what it is. But you can harvest more

1005
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 3: birds in Canada, but there aren't as many hunters up there,

1006
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 3: so you have a lot more waterfowl hunters in the

1007
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 3: United States, so we're going to have a much higher impact.

1008
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 3: Same with Mexico. Not nearly as many waterfowl hunters in Mexico,

1009
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 3: so their daily bag limits can be higher in Canada

1010
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: and Mexico, the.

1011
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: Pie is not getting cut up into as many So

1012
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 2: this is.

1013
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 4: The AI overview.

1014
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 5: I I'm sure, I'm not sure if that's right, but

1015
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 5: eight per day, as it does with four being pintails.

1016
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 5: Take that California dark geese eight per day with no

1017
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 5: more than five being white fronted.

1018
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 2: Wow, so that's double our geese.

1019
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1020
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a lot white geese twenty per day, not

1021
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 5: as much pressures fairly close and a much shorter amount

1022
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 5: of time too. You know, five sandhill cranes per day.

1023
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 3: That's a lot of me is white geese.

1024
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 4: Snows.

1025
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, normally they when people say they're moving to Cannon,

1026
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: they're making some kind of bitchy comment about the election.

1027
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: But you'd be like, no, I mean because ducks.

1028
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 7: Well this is gonna say, this might make some of

1029
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 7: those Californians make good on their promises.

1030
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 4: Giant mule deer and ducks, come on, can't go wrong.

1031
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 2: Uh how is it that?

1032
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: Uh? How does it come to be that different states

1033
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: have different rags? Okay, like like like how do they

1034
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 1: weigh that out? Like I said, right here, I don't

1035
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: know what it is in other places right right now?

1036
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: I mean for years it's been like there's all kinds

1037
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: of restrictions, but like you're allowed seven ducks, and then

1038
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: we have all of those like or no more than

1039
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: bland so yeah, seven duck, but no more than two

1040
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: can be a hen mallard, no more than on a pintail.

1041
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, there can be huge discrepancies. I remember a

1042
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 5: season or two where you could kill seven ducks in Montana,

1043
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 5: but if you were in Stuttgart, Arkansas, waterfowl capital of

1044
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 5: the world, you.

1045
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 4: Could shoot a duck.

1046
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: A duck, A duck, a duck.

1047
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's how like I can't remember the exact situations,

1048
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 5: but it was like very duck, very Yeah.

1049
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, how's that all? How's that all divided?

1050
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 3: So I mentioned briefly earlier the flyway councils, and so

1051
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: because they are migratory and international and everything, you have

1052
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 3: the federal regulations, and then you also can have state regulations.

1053
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 3: So whatever the Feds come up with with, you know,

1054
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: you can have like next year, three pintails and you're

1055
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 3: in the liberal season. States can be more restrictive than

1056
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 3: the federal rule, but not less restrictive. So a state

1057
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 3: like Arkansas can make the decision because they have a

1058
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: ton of hunters, they're putting a lot of pressure, they

1059
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 3: can be they can be more restrictive trying to keep

1060
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: more ducks in that area. But then there's also packages

1061
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 3: that come with the Liberal package, and you can have

1062
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 3: a certain number of zones and splits in your season

1063
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 3: and everything, but there are federal regulations of if you

1064
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 3: have you know, one split and two zones, it can

1065
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 3: only be this and that. So they're in each in

1066
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 3: each area, in each flyway is different and I don't

1067
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 3: know them all, but so it is a state and

1068
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 3: federal and that fly The Flyway Council has one state

1069
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: representative from or one representative from each state on the

1070
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 3: Mississippi Flyway, Atlantic, all the flyways, and they serve as

1071
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 3: a vote for you know, we as a flyway, do

1072
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 3: we agree with these particular regulations for our flyway. And

1073
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 3: then that goes up and goes back to the Feds

1074
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 3: and it finishes that system. But then a state can

1075
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 3: take what was in the federal register and then they

1076
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 3: can make the decision to you know, take their packages

1077
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 3: however they want to and be more restrictive.

1078
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: So Arkansas could come home from that meeting and they

1079
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: were pushing for greater restrictions, didn't get them, But they

1080
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: can come home and just impose greater restrictions at home.

1081
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 3: It's their commissioners or their board however they're set up,

1082
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 3: that vote on their regulations. Each state, again is different

1083
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 3: how the regulations are set. Some might be from a

1084
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 3: legislative set, some it might be from a Fish and

1085
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 3: Wildlife commission, and so they vote. They take. Typically, which

1086
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 3: you want system to work correctly? Is the biologist, the

1087
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 3: waterfowl biologist will give the recommendation to that board and say, look,

1088
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 3: this is what we think because our green tree reservoirs

1089
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 3: aren't doing well or this or whatever reason they might

1090
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 3: have had. I don't know that situation, but and we

1091
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 3: think this is our recommendation. But sometimes the commission will

1092
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 3: make their own decision and it'll be contrary sometimes to

1093
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,479
Speaker 3: what the bile just think to air in the side

1094
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:06,479
Speaker 3: of caution or something.

1095
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: Man, what were the conversations in Arkansas when it got

1096
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: as bad as one ducky year?

1097
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 2: People had to been like just complain.

1098
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, because you know it's a big duck.

1099
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 5: Hunting is very social compared to a lot of other

1100
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,479
Speaker 5: hunting activities, right, so a lot of folks getting together

1101
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 5: in blinds and and yeah.

1102
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 4: You can only shoot duck camps. Yeah, I think that was.

1103
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 5: Where you really saw the rise of you know, like

1104
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 5: cooking and accoutrement in fancy duck blinds because he had

1105
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 5: to make more of a day out of it because

1106
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 5: it wasn't just all shooting anymore, right, Yeah, yeah, and

1107
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 5: then yeah, so then and then we saw you know,

1108
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 5: then you see like your duck hunters that really want

1109
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 5: to keep hunting ducks, see them traveling a lot more

1110
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 5: when their their home water restrictions get get tighter and

1111
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 5: they're searching out those liberal regulations.

1112
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 3: Right, and then you're putting a lot of pressure in

1113
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 3: that area. And you do you have enough uh you

1114
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 3: know nutrition duck energy day, it's enough habitat to support

1115
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 3: duck energy.

1116
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 5: I really want to get into because I was trying

1117
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 5: to explain that because that's fascinating stuff.

1118
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 2: But that's how much energy you get from eating to duck.

1119
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 4: It is super food, man, it is. Yeah. A big fan.

1120
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 4: We cooked up a cup.

1121
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 5: We were hiking our butts off over the Thanksgiving weekend

1122
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 5: and I took big rice field ducks and cooked them

1123
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 5: up in the camper and yeah.

1124
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 3: Good stuff.

1125
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: Oh so good.

1126
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 3: That's what duck energy is.

1127
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 2: No big.

1128
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 5: But like state like South Dakota, right, that's where it's

1129
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 5: a it's a major recreational uh traveling tourism economy for hunting,

1130
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 5: and in order to try to balance out that pressure, right,

1131
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 5: they you have to draw for a specific week as

1132
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 5: a non resident to go, which we've we've done in

1133
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 5: the past and it's well worth doing. Super fun. But yeah,

1134
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 5: waterfowl complicated. Your waterfowl regulations can get pretty darn complicated.

1135
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 5: And it's like, okay, you can only shoot five we

1136
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 5: were just in Kansas. It's like, you can shoot five

1137
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 5: mallards and an odd duck. You're like, okay, well, what

1138
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 5: do you consider odd?

1139
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 4: That one had one?

1140
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: So I interpret that as it's a six duck limit.

1141
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: No more than five can be mallards.

1142
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, and then and then uh, I think

1143
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 5: it was two hens as well, so or mixed in there.

1144
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 3: And then if you're hunting public land, it could even

1145
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 3: get more you know, complicated, because they might have specific

1146
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: regulations for that wildlife management area or something too. So

1147
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 3: it's it Unfortunately, I think sometimes people get really nervous

1148
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 3: if they're new to waterfowl hunting. There's a lot that

1149
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 3: could maybe try to keep you from waterfowl hunting. So

1150
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 3: that's where apprentice and going with friends is so important

1151
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 3: because they're going to know the rules.

1152
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 5: And there's a w m A in Arkansas that we

1153
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 5: were right next to, and I want to say, you

1154
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 5: could only have was it twelve shells in your possession?

1155
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they'll limit however many.

1156
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 5: I love because it's like an anti skybusting type of regulation.

1157
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 2: Sure, man, you got every every shot, dude, you shoot

1158
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 2: a lot different than.

1159
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 6: Bring a single shot. That'd be a good program that

1160
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 6: you don't want.

1161
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 3: You don't want all your ducks leave in that area.

1162
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: Right shells?

1163
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 3: Yep?

1164
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 4: I loved it.

1165
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 3: A lot of them do it.

1166
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.

1167
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 5: After my Wyoming hunting experience, I thought that would be

1168
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 5: a good regulation to have for rifle hunting too.

1169
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, I.

1170
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: Had a traffer recently tell me that when he the

1171
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: guy that taught him to try, he said, the most

1172
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: valuable lesson he ever gave me is he says, I

1173
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: treat every trap like it's my only trap. If you

1174
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: treated every shell like it was your shell.

1175
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 2: Dude, shoot, it would be a lot different experience.

1176
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I want to know what the psychological impact

1177
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 5: would be even on a on a somebody who's a

1178
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 5: fantastic shot.

1179
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 4: If it's like okay, here's your five. Yeah, yeah, right,

1180
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 4: just like how that would change?

1181
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: That Actually a fun game to do, man, it would.

1182
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone will start yelling at each other why didn't

1183
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 3: you shoot? What don't know?

1184
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 7: Why didn't you?

1185
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know, it's too far out. If you

1186
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 3: waited too long in all these ducks would be fine

1187
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 3: by and everyone'd be mad.

1188
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: That'd be weird to have conversations like why didn't you shoot?

1189
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 2: Rather than why did you.

1190
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: Because that's the normal conversation you're doing.

1191
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 5: Shot end of the season around here, especially right and

1192
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 5: like my goal, one of my recurring hunting goals is

1193
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 5: always to like end the season with my maximum possession

1194
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 5: limit of ducks so I can carry it.

1195
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 3: Through feel good about it.

1196
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so your freezer's got twenty one ducks in it, and.

1197
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 5: I want to want them all to be fat, you know,

1198
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 5: like that that would be like the way to hit

1199
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 5: it perfect. But and you typically are like, okay, cold weather,

1200
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 5: the ducks are going to be putting the feedback on

1201
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 5: and and but you can time your timing matters to

1202
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 5: where it's like, Okay, all of a sudden, there's a

1203
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 5: ton of birds in, but they just got there and

1204
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 5: they're really skinny.

1205
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1206
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 5: Versus if the birds have been there for a few days,

1207
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 5: you want to get them right before they head out

1208
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 5: because that's when they're at maximum duck energy, maximum fat.

1209
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 3: Ye you have fed them, well yes, yeah yeah, And.

1210
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 5: Then so can you go into that because that's super fascinated,

1211
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:54,919
Speaker 5: like how fast they burn?

1212
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 4: Oh, those calories definitely do.

1213
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 3: And and like again I was talking about that North

1214
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 3: American Waterfowl mansion plan. There's different plans that that waterfowl

1215
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 3: managers use, and they have a lot of state and

1216
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 3: regional requirements for like I don't know, it might be

1217
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 3: four hundred million duck energy days in the Mississippi Alluvia Valley.

1218
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 3: Is what's needed to sustain those ducks with duck energy

1219
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 3: days the amount of energy that one duck needs for

1220
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 3: for one day, right, and so a duck energy day

1221
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 3: and how much like an acre is by like the acre,

1222
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 3: so it's like how many duck energy days are on

1223
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 3: this acre of land and providing how much energy. So

1224
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 3: if you had a thousand ducks and you wanted them

1225
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 3: there for one one day, you need one thousand duck

1226
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 3: energy days and that one acre.

1227
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: So different the form of what in the form of whatever.

1228
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, the high well and each and they'll do it

1229
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 3: by groups of species, by dabblers or different different industries.

1230
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: It's not you're not talking about like spreading food out.

1231
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 4: Or soybeans or but it's the caloric.

1232
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 3: It's the CLOrk, yes, exactly, some kind of food.

1233
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 2: That provides really like regionally available food.

1234
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 3: That's right, yep. And so how much and so they

1235
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 3: have targets. So one hundred and ten days, I think

1236
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 3: is what they typically keep for what they want to

1237
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 3: provide the food for ducks, you know, in the Mississippi

1238
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 3: Allubis Valley for example, And so then you have to

1239
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 3: have in that whole area four hundred million duck energy

1240
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 3: days to be able to support the waterfowl population that

1241
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 3: you're expecting to come into the Mississippi Alluvia Valley or

1242
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 3: a lot of states will do it as smaller regional

1243
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 3: areas too, and they might do it for wildlife management

1244
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 3: areas different things like that. For what are the duck

1245
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 3: energy what's the requirement of the duck energy days to

1246
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: make sure those animals have and you know, lots of carbs,

1247
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 3: lots of other things to store that fat for their

1248
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 3: you know, migratory journey north as well.

1249
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 7: So it's it's analogous basically like a grazing unit if

1250
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 7: you're thinking in.

1251
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 2: Terms of like no cattle KYLCAF unit.

1252
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like an aum basically, like what is this?

1253
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 7: What can this landscape sustain?

1254
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: Right?

1255
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 3: What can it sustain? What can that by the acre?

1256
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 3: So what can that one acre? How many ducks can

1257
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 3: it support for that that time period.

1258
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 7: I was curious about this when you're talking about the

1259
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 7: variability in migration routes earlier and talking about if there's

1260
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 7: no water in the potholes, they go up to the

1261
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 7: boreal right, And when I think about animal migration, I

1262
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 7: think about the like caloric tax on the animal, especially

1263
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 7: when we talk about big game or thing about like salmon.

1264
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 7: You know, like it's something that I hadn't really considered

1265
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 7: in the waterfowl realm. But considering that their migration route

1266
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 7: could vary by hundreds of miles's season to season's imagine

1267
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 7: of striking.

1268
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 3: And then of course you know what kind of condition

1269
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 3: are they in when they get there. Now they are

1270
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 3: feeding along the way obviously, and depending on the species,

1271
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 3: you know, they'll start switching over maybe to invertebrates right

1272
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 3: before they get there to the you know, the nesting

1273
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 3: areas and to the prairies or whatnot. So they'll shift

1274
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,439
Speaker 3: their diets and everything based on the type of food

1275
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 3: they need. But you want them to have in some

1276
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 3: of those southern states that high energy food carbohydrates to

1277
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 3: get them to get them there. But yeah, so it

1278
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 3: puts a tax on them when they're not when there's

1279
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 3: not water in the prairies, when wetlands are gone. You know,

1280
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 3: I think in the prairies, I mean depending on certain areas,

1281
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 3: it could be as high as ninety percent of the

1282
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 3: potholes or the wetlands have been lost. But in a

1283
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 3: lot of the prairies, you know, over fifty percent, fifty

1284
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 3: percent of the by the mid nineteen eighties, you know,

1285
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 3: fifty percent were lost, which is why the North American

1286
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 3: Waterfowl one of the reasons the North American Waterfowl Management

1287
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 3: Plan started was it was in nineteen eighty four, but

1288
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 3: in the mid nineteen eighties, you know, like half of

1289
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 3: all the wetlands had been lost. Of course, the United

1290
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 3: States and the lower forty eight.

1291
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 6: How much does like agricultural food sources offset that, Like.

1292
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 8: Is there it's important, Like is it possible there's more

1293
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 8: ducks now because of agriculture than there was, say two

1294
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 8: hundred years ago when the middle of the country wasn't

1295
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 8: covered in corn, And so being like, well, I can't.

1296
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 3: Go back nine.

1297
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: Years ago, but pick a number, like pick a known number,

1298
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 1: because that's a good question, right, Like there's more Like

1299
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: when grain prices are high and everybody's producing grain and

1300
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: all these farmers are switching to grain, Yeah, that doesn't

1301
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: make up for all that lost ground.

1302
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 3: No, No, because waterfould need and if the wetlands are gone, yeah.

1303
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 2: And you know, we have all the grain in the world.

1304
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 3: That time of year, they're feeding a lot on invertebrates,

1305
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 3: right because they're trying to eggshells and everything else and

1306
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 3: that protein. So they're really moving to protein that time

1307
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 3: of year. And that's what wetlands are just they are

1308
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 3: just wonderful. They'll soup.

1309
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 6: Just so there's not like around tier, like there used

1310
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 6: to be a lot of wheat production around here, and

1311
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 6: it's a lot of those fields are getting covered up

1312
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 6: in condo Like yeah.

1313
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 3: Now that's absolutely and so we work a lot, you know,

1314
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 3: because we want agriculture on the landscape. And because we

1315
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 3: don't want it to turn into condos and this and that,

1316
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 3: and so we work with and r CS, USDA and

1317
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 3: r CS, and we work with landowners and farmers and

1318
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 3: ranchers to develop programs both with federal partners, state partners,

1319
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 3: and then we have our own programs because we want

1320
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 3: to keep ranching and farming on the landscape and then

1321
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 3: working to keep wetlands and important grasslands in that landscape

1322
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 3: on there right, whether it's through incentives, through education, because

1323
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 3: soil health practices, a lot of soil health practices and

1324
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 3: other things that we can work with landowners and farmers

1325
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 3: to improve. It's going to be better for them economically,

1326
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 3: they're going to have a better crop, it's going to

1327
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,560
Speaker 3: help with you know, sedimentation, run off, all of that.

1328
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 3: And then it's also you know, putting in cover crops

1329
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 3: and other things for waterfowl is beneficial again for them

1330
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 3: and then also for wildlife. So there's a lot of

1331
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 3: practices that we can work on with farmers and ranchers.

1332
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 3: So we want them on that landscape and they're critical,

1333
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 3: critical partners for us.

1334
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 7: There's not a lot of duck energy and condos.

1335
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 3: Not a lot of duck energy and condos.

1336
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 2: Now, when you talk about losing half of our wetlands.

1337
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: Can you can you being drained?

1338
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? Put some numbers around that.

1339
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 1: Like start, what's the start? Like what's the starting point?

1340
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,919
Speaker 1: You're not talking about European arrival in the New World,

1341
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:30,919
Speaker 1: like there's like one.

1342
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 3: No no since like a lot of development in the US, right,

1343
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 3: and so like the Mississippi, you know, Mississippi River basin,

1344
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 3: I think it's estimates of almost eighty percent been lost

1345
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 3: of wetlands. And if you think about it, you know,

1346
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 3: flooding along the Mississippi.

1347
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 2: Over the last what does ballpark it?

1348
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 3: I'd say, what would be the year mark? I mean last.

1349
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: Like post World War?

1350
01:07:55,040 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know nineteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, say so,

1351
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 3: like in the Mississippi River basin, like eighty percent. But

1352
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 3: what I think a number I read, you know, by

1353
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 3: the mid nineteen eighties, I believe a number of bread

1354
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 3: is that like fifty percent in the lower forty eight

1355
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 3: were lost. And think about it, you know, draining a

1356
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 3: lot of wetlands to for building for it can be

1357
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 3: for farm ground, it can be for you name it.

1358
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 4: I mean it's reclamation districts.

1359
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 3: Right, everything so they're constantly under attack and people don't

1360
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 3: understand the not everyone understands the importance of a wetland

1361
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 3: and that they can provide so many other things other

1362
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 3: than just waterfowl habitat and habitat for lots of other

1363
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 3: you know, fish, bird species, everything. But also it helps

1364
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 3: with you know, flood attenuation if you're talking along the

1365
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 3: Mississippi River. It helps with a storm resiliency on on shorelines.

1366
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 3: It helps with clean water filtration. I mean there are

1367
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 3: they are nature's kidneys, their nature's uh sponges. They filter

1368
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 3: out phosphorus, nitrogen, all these you know. And then they

1369
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 3: also helped store water during heavy rain events to keep

1370
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 3: from flooding issues. So wetlands are really important to people

1371
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 3: and wildlife.

1372
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 5: And that's what when I started hunting Saskatchewan and Alberta

1373
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 5: a long long time ago. I haven't been up there

1374
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 5: in years for waterfowl, but the amount.

1375
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 2: Of DU work.

1376
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 5: North of the border, which was interesting too because also

1377
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,679
Speaker 5: you would hear from people like, oh, I don't don't

1378
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 5: contribute to DU because they just spend all my money

1379
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 5: in Canada.

1380
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, but that's where.

1381
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: They spend all my money, right where all my ducks

1382
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: come from.

1383
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, So until the mid nineteen eighties, we did not

1384
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 3: do work in the US. We did only work in

1385
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 3: the Canadian and the prairies in Canada seriously, because that's

1386
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 3: where the majority of waterfowl were. And it was in

1387
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 3: the mid eighties again that waterfowl management plan that I

1388
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 3: was talking about started looking at Okay, we need to

1389
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,919
Speaker 3: start not just ducks are limited, but federal, state, provincial partners,

1390
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 3: everybody coming together and saying we need to look at

1391
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 3: all of these important landscapes. And there's a lot in

1392
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 3: the US as well. So we started working the US

1393
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 3: prairies and the mid nineteen eighties, and then of course

1394
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 3: other priority landscapes from there and also down into Mexico.

1395
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 3: So that really didn't start until the mid nineteen eighties.

1396
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 3: But like you said, putting the most money we can

1397
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 3: into those highest priority landscapes, which is going to be

1398
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 3: your Canadian prairies, US prairies, the boreal. But there's other

1399
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 3: critical landscapes as well that we just were talking about,

1400
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 3: as far as the importance of wintering habitat as well.

1401
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 3: So it's a lot of great programs out there, and

1402
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 3: I should go ahead and make a plug for hunters

1403
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 3: that every time you buy that duck stamp, that duck

1404
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:55,560
Speaker 3: stamp goes to protecting permanent protection of wetlands in the

1405
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 3: United States. And there's a major portion of those dollars

1406
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 3: that go into the US prairies. And so that twenty

1407
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 3: five dollars stamp you're protecting putting a permanent easement on

1408
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 3: a piece of property on land that is held by

1409
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 3: the US Fish and Wildlife Service. It's part of actual

1410
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 3: the refuge system. But we have now through this program,

1411
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 3: the US Fish and Wildlife Service JV, the Joint venture

1412
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 3: Partners and others have secured protection of thirty percent of

1413
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 3: the breeding pair habitat that's necessary. So that's pretty impressive

1414
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 3: thirty percent of that nesting important critical habitat through duck stamp.

1415
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 3: So hunters are doing their part. We always say hunters

1416
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 3: pay for conservation. I mean, this is a very clear

1417
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 3: point A to point B. Ninety eight percent of the

1418
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:49,919
Speaker 3: duck stamp sales go right into on the ground conservation easements.

1419
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 3: And so anybody, any enthusiast that buys a duck stamp

1420
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 3: for art or other purposes just because they like them,

1421
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 3: they are putting that money towards conservation on the ground,

1422
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 3: and it's made. I can't think another group of species

1423
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 3: or species of that size where we have been able

1424
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 3: to protect that large amount of through something through an

1425
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 3: effort like that.

1426
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: The guy that painted this year's duck stamp was sitting

1427
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: right in that seat. You're sitting in no way.

1428
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,719
Speaker 3: So I judge. I was the judge for last year's

1429
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 3: duck stamp. Yeah, yeah, there's five judges, so I was

1430
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:23,719
Speaker 3: one of them. But yeah, cool.

1431
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:30,600
Speaker 1: How does Ducks Unlimited preserve save protect wetlands?

1432
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 2: I mean, do you guys? Is there a lot?

1433
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 1: Do you have a lobbying arm that does policy?

1434
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 3: Definitely?

1435
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: And then you also have like on the ground, like

1436
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: on the ground money like money spent. What will explain

1437
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 1: those different?

1438
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 4: Sorry jump in, but you also say like.

1439
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 5: The public ground and private ground, Like what the kind

1440
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 5: of the split is almost like a wh where the

1441
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 5: money goes type thing?

1442
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 4: Lobbying public private.

1443
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: So so we.

1444
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 3: Get a lot of public dollars that we apply for

1445
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 3: whether it's the North American Wetlands Conservation dollars, those are

1446
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 3: wetland dollars that it was enacted in nineteen eighty nine

1447
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 3: to help support that Waterfowl Management Plan, so we get

1448
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 3: a lot of money through that, But we also work

1449
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 3: a lot with NRCS, but a US Fishion Wildlife Service

1450
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 3: to work on refuges. US Fish and Wildlife Service. We

1451
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 3: work a lot with state agencies on public land. But

1452
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 3: we now have about four hundred conservation staff, so inducks unlimited,

1453
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 3: about four hundred staff are our biologists, scientists, gis. I've

1454
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 3: got a lot of engineers, engineer techs all doing this

1455
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 3: work on the ground, so on the ground habitat work

1456
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:50,440
Speaker 3: on private and public land. From a public land perspective,

1457
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 3: In the last several years, we've probably had conservation practices

1458
01:13:55,320 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 3: over maybe close to six hundred thousand, yeah, about six

1459
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:07,879
Speaker 3: hundred thousand acres on public land, so on National Wildlife refuges,

1460
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 3: state agencies, and a lot of those are more intensive.

1461
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 3: Projects are going to be your water, wetland enhancement, wetland creation,

1462
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 3: a lot rehabilitation, rehabilitation, a lot of that, or you know, building,

1463
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 3: you know some of that infrastructure and so you can

1464
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,600
Speaker 3: have manipulate water levels and everything else. So there's a

1465
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 3: lot more work that goes into it. A lot of

1466
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 3: the work that we do on private land is going

1467
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 3: to be more your technical assistance or the money with

1468
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 3: that we apply for with USDA and r CS to

1469
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 3: do farm practices that benefit you know, conservation practices on

1470
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 3: farm and things like that. So it's a lot more

1471
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 3: on the private land. It's a lot more of working

1472
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 3: with farmers and ranchers and things like that. Is more

1473
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 3: that those those types of acres. And the first part

1474
01:14:58,600 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 3: of your question though I was trying to go back

1475
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 3: to real quick. You were talking about lobbying lobby Oh yeah, yeah,

1476
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 3: So what are the different.

1477
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 1: How do we influence how do you influence the loss

1478
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:09,959
Speaker 1: of wetlands?

1479
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 3: So a lot of that we have a group of

1480
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 3: folks that are are policy specialists. We have some in

1481
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 3: DC and then we also have some regionally because they're

1482
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 3: going to be regional instance instances as well that we're

1483
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,600
Speaker 3: going to have these policy experts. But we work a

1484
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 3: lot with policy makers on farm bill is a big

1485
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 3: one that we work when we work on to make

1486
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 3: sure that there's conservation practices in there. Another one is

1487
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 3: to ensure that we have complete full funding for NAKA,

1488
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 3: the North American Wetlands Conservation Act. It's enacted and it's

1489
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 3: about fifty million dollars a year for that, so they

1490
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 3: they work really hard to ensure that we have those

1491
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 3: types of dollars available to put on the ground for conservation.

1492
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 3: So they spend a lot of time working on that,

1493
01:15:56,240 --> 01:16:00,520
Speaker 3: and then our teams in the field, they are constantly

1494
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 3: looking for new funding sources or new partners to work with,

1495
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 3: because the more partners that you work with, the better

1496
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:09,719
Speaker 3: are Like with NAKA, they've now north through North American

1497
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 3: Wetlands Conservation Act, though I think it's thirty two million

1498
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 3: acres have been conserved not just by duckson limited, but

1499
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 3: thirty two million acres have been conserved through that program.

1500
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 3: And it has spent two billion dollars. But it's a

1501
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 3: one to one matching program, so it requires for every

1502
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 3: dollar spent of federal dollars, that requires a non federal

1503
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 3: dollar and so there have been over five billion dollars

1504
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 3: raised to match that two billion dollars to put those

1505
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 3: thirty two million acres on the ground, and it takes

1506
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 3: a lot of partners. I think through that program there's

1507
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 3: over six thousand partners that have participated in that program.

1508
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 3: So every our teams are constantly looking for federal non

1509
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 3: federal nonprofit, you know, local organizations to partner with to

1510
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 3: get that habitat on the ground. It is. It is

1511
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 3: a daunting ask to.

1512
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 1: What's what's a way that it might happen. Meaning let's

1513
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: say I'm a farmer, okay, and I have a thousand

1514
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,760
Speaker 1: acres and I have some wetlands, and I'm like man,

1515
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: I also love to hunt docs and I like to

1516
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 1: make money on my farm. And I come and and

1517
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 1: I come and say to du how can how can

1518
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: I be of assistance or what can I do?

1519
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:20,560
Speaker 5: Like?

1520
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,520
Speaker 1: So, what measures are of disposal?

1521
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 3: Lots of things, everything from permanent protection, putting a conservation

1522
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 3: easement on that property so that it's you know, always

1523
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 3: in whatever that is as far as the number percentage

1524
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 3: of wetlands and.

1525
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: Grass and you guys help with that process and.

1526
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 3: We help with that process. And those easements are held

1527
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 3: by the US Fish and Wildlife Service, And those were

1528
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 3: some of the duckstamp dollars I was talking about earlier.

1529
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 3: Other things might be, well, you know, they might be

1530
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:49,840
Speaker 3: interested in a conservation reserve program where they take out

1531
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 3: and that's through nrcs, and so they take out a

1532
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 3: certain percentage of their production and they put it in

1533
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 3: they plant it in grass or in something else, and

1534
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 3: so they might do that or so it's like a

1535
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 3: rental payment, or they might do equip eqip equip, and

1536
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 3: they might do rental payments for not rental payments. They

1537
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 3: might do different cost share to try to improve their

1538
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 3: property for the conservation values on there. So there's all

1539
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 3: sorts of different farm bill programs that they could be

1540
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 3: interested in, and so our team will walk through all

1541
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,839
Speaker 3: these different programs that they have, and again Ducks Unlimited

1542
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 3: has a lot is a lot of programs as well

1543
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,120
Speaker 3: that as long as they're doing these activities and we're

1544
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 3: cost sharing for those conservation activities, as long as they

1545
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 3: continue to do those, we're in that annual year to

1546
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 3: year contract. But that permanent protection is the best thing

1547
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 3: we can do. In our director of Operations in the

1548
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 3: Prairie Pothole Region, Johann Walker, he's always saying, all right,

1549
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 3: we've got to slow down the pace of conversion and

1550
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 3: increase the pace of protection. But there's lots of other

1551
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 3: tool rules, you know, in between that we can use

1552
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 3: that that benefit farmers and ranchers and help improve their

1553
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 3: what they're getting out of it. But then also for

1554
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 3: for wildlife and waterfowl as well.

1555
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 1: It is currently the number one risk to wetlands crop

1556
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:17,520
Speaker 1: land conversion.

1557
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 3: In the Prairie Poole region.

1558
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:25,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, it's a land owner, a farmer is incentivized

1559
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: by prices whatever to convert to increase and convert land

1560
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,240
Speaker 1: to egg. And so that's why I have a way

1561
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: to try to soften absolutely be.

1562
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 4: The same thing like.

1563
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 5: Sorry ducks, unlimited farm bill programs, nrcs, uh, they are

1564
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 5: going to also try to make sure that that farmer

1565
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 5: knows the available incentives. Yeah, not produce crops on intermint wetlands.

1566
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 5: So it doesn't need to just cost yeah, sequays to

1567
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 5: make of that. It doesn't just cost the land.

1568
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 7: You can do the right time for wildlife without affecting

1569
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 7: the bottom line.

1570
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, because a lot of times the wetlands, even though

1571
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 3: it might be dry, it might look dry that year

1572
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 3: kind of thing that that's not going to be your

1573
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 3: most productive soil for for crop. It is going to

1574
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 3: be your most productive for wildlife, but not necessarily for crop.

1575
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 3: Those are usually not the same thing. And so the

1576
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 3: education and working with them and a lot of our

1577
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 3: farmers they love seeing the ducks on the landscape and

1578
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 3: they love being able to help and it's like.

1579
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 5: Help my bottom number that as much as driving in

1580
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 5: a straight line, pain in the butt to go.

1581
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 3: Around that wetland. You're driving this big equipment and everything,

1582
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 3: and it's a pain in the butt to go around

1583
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 3: those wetlands. So yeah, we have to find ways to

1584
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 3: incentivize landowners to want to keep wetlands in certain grasslands intact.

1585
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 3: And there's there's lots of ways to do that, and

1586
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 3: it's it's through these great partnerships, our federal and state

1587
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 3: partnerships and partnerships with the owners that make it happen.

1588
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:03,440
Speaker 4: Do you what do you think about.

1589
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 5: North American Grasslands Conservation Act. I think that's getting towards

1590
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 5: a workable state something.

1591
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's interesting because it's it's gone back

1592
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 3: and forth, back and forth, and I know there's a

1593
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 3: lot of it's being modeled off of well, yeah, off

1594
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 3: of NAKA and what works necessarily in this program will

1595
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 3: it work here? And so I think it's it's definitely

1596
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 3: evolving and becoming something that I mean, it's critical. There's

1597
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 3: lots of grassland species that need protection and you can see,

1598
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,560
Speaker 3: I mean the three billion Bird Report. Right, you have

1599
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 3: a lot of species that have been declining, you know,

1600
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 3: since the nineteen seventies, and a lot of them are

1601
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:46,439
Speaker 3: grassland species. Now NAKA there's a lot that goes into

1602
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:50,560
Speaker 3: grasslands as well through through NAKA funding. And when we

1603
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 3: look at some of those priority landscapes that we want

1604
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 3: to protect, a lot of them we look at duck pairs, right,

1605
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 3: how many breeding how many pairs of breeding ducks are

1606
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,560
Speaker 3: going to be in that landscape, and we want to

1607
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 3: target the highest numbers, you know, the highest the one

1608
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 3: hundred duct pays. But with that come like fifteen to

1609
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 3: twenty different other grassland bird species that use that same landscape.

1610
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,920
Speaker 3: So it's not just one thing that we're looking at

1611
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 3: or the other. Any any kind of conservation funding opportunities

1612
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 3: that we can provide that have these great public private

1613
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 3: partnerships associated with them for conservation. The more of that

1614
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 3: that we can get, I think, the better off we're

1615
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 3: going to have.

1616
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 5: And that's where like some of the social cost of

1617
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 5: using wetland comes in, because most people are like, well,

1618
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 5: wetland is only a wetland if it's wet, Yes. And

1619
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 5: then also that fringe area around the wetland with the

1620
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 5: grass like, there's a lot of waterfowl species that that

1621
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 5: nest in that. That's right, right, and so far are

1622
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 5: they going to go yeah, yep, But it's like, well

1623
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 5: it's not wet.

1624
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 3: Conservation is not a simple it's not a simple thing

1625
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 3: and it it really takes a large group of people

1626
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 3: kind of pulling in the harness together to make it happen.

1627
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 1: You know who I think deserves a little credit I

1628
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 1: make I make a lot of jokes about.

1629
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 2: Golf. Well, very famous golfer.

1630
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 1: Sat in that seat, which one my husband, the butcher Brian,

1631
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 1: the butcher hermit. Anyways, you know who deserves some credit?

1632
01:23:22,680 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: Is there golf course by my house? It's a duck factory. Really,

1633
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: all those little ponds they made, yea, every one of

1634
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 1: those ponds and they have like some great nesting success,

1635
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 1: every one of those ponds full of chicks. Also, do

1636
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 1: they fake ponds?

1637
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 3: Do they put a lot of like edge around that pond?

1638
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 3: Do they are they shallow? Did they did they do

1639
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 3: that specifically?

1640
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 6: Especially a wetland before it was a golf course?

1641
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: Are like there's a bunch of spring fat ponds and

1642
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 1: they do they kick off a lot of ducks.

1643
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:57,679
Speaker 4: But when you see that little.

1644
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 1: There, did you guys weigh in on the ducks unlimited

1645
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 1: way in on this the sort of political ping pong

1646
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: ball of woatas waters.

1647
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 2: The United States?

1648
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: The states, So can I take try to can we

1649
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 1: test my ability to explain this?

1650
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 2: Okay?

1651
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 1: The United States, the federal government declares like sovereignty over

1652
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: certain waterways, meaning like like for instance, if a private

1653
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 1: landowner owns both sides of the Mississippi, they can't say

1654
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: no more shipping up and down my river, right because

1655
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: the US has jurisdiction over the waterway. And there's a

1656
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 1: political ping pong about how far up river into non

1657
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 1: navigable or barely navigable.

1658
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 2: Water does the US have jurisdiction?

1659
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 1: And could there be a thing where US jurisdiction extends

1660
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 1: all way up into the headwaters in the wetlands, and

1661
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: they could exert the federal the federal government could exercise

1662
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 1: some management rights over marshes and wetlands that form the rivers.

1663
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 1: So extending up the Mississippi beyond navigation, put up into

1664
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:22,640
Speaker 1: the sources of the Mississippi and use that as a

1665
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: way to preserve wetlands. And when I say a political

1666
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,479
Speaker 1: ping pong ball. It seems to like always be in

1667
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 1: the news of a new administration interpreting it differently. One

1668
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,080
Speaker 1: administration be like, oh, no, it goes all the way

1669
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 1: to the marsh, and the other next administration, no, it

1670
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 1: ends at navigability, and it seems to be always in

1671
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 1: the news. It's never quite resolved. Yeah, this is a

1672
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 1: political hot this is a hot issue. What's been your guys'

1673
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 1: attitude about this conversation?

1674
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,560
Speaker 3: So, what we've been trying to do is working with

1675
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:56,560
Speaker 3: the states on what their wetland regulations and laws and

1676
01:25:56,640 --> 01:26:00,240
Speaker 3: rules will be, because that's really where it the end

1677
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 3: of the day, because you're right, it's gonna it's this

1678
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 3: ping pong back and forth, back and forth. But if

1679
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 3: you're working with the states and working with the you know,

1680
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,839
Speaker 3: the landowners and those rules in those states, that's probably

1681
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 3: how we're going to be able to to kind of

1682
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,479
Speaker 3: get through this as far as so you can take.

1683
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: Action now that doesn't get done or undone, right every

1684
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 1: time the political winds change, that's right, Yeah.

1685
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 3: Yep, because states have their own you know, regulations now,

1686
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 3: especially with the latest change.

1687
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:30,679
Speaker 1: So you, uh, when I was talk about lobbying earlier

1688
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:37,880
Speaker 1: ducks unlimited will will at times try to influence regulation

1689
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 1: about wetland development.

1690
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:44,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, we work a lot more, i'd say, on the

1691
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:50,600
Speaker 3: funding for wetlands conservation and from that standpoint, and.

1692
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 2: So so you spend more time with the carrot than

1693
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 2: the stick.

1694
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:55,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot more time with the carrot than the stick,

1695
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 3: because it gets gets you a lot long, gets you

1696
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 3: a lot further. We've you know, in the last five years,

1697
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 3: developed an e strategic plan if you look at everywhere

1698
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 3: that is important for waterfowl. If you take our landscape

1699
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 3: conservation priorities and I put that map down in front

1700
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 3: of you, and then you took an AG map in

1701
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 3: the United States and you laid that over it, it's

1702
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 3: almost exactly the same. Yeah, you're talking about earlier exactly

1703
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 3: more rural people.

1704
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1705
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 3: So so it's it is critical that we have strong

1706
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 3: relationships and partnerships with with with the AG and ranching.

1707
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 1: So metro Chicago doesn't pop up now, not too much.

1708
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: You're important for duck zone.

1709
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a strong DU chapter there.

1710
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:41,759
Speaker 3: There's a lot of strong du chapters.

1711
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:44,719
Speaker 1: That's a good point about it's an interesting point about

1712
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 1: the need to.

1713
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 2: The need to.

1714
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 1: Have the build of work with agricultural interests. When if

1715
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 1: you if you you're right, if you look at like

1716
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 1: where birds are coming from, it's agricultural landscapes.

1717
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 2: So I may edgine if an organization was.

1718
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 1: Just sort of uh perceived as being vehemently anti egg,

1719
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: you might wind up having a hard time to work.

1720
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 3: In egg country, might be hard to work in a country.

1721
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 3: So you know, there are there are disincentives that I

1722
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,720
Speaker 3: think are important to keep, you know, and incentives that

1723
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 3: are important to keep. And I think it's a balance

1724
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 3: of those two things to ensure we get that right.

1725
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 2: I'll come.

1726
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,680
Speaker 3: So there are there aren't disincentives in place, but like

1727
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 3: swampbuster and everything else that are important. But what that

1728
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 3: is is it's you know, keeping if if you're a

1729
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 3: farmer and you're in farm build programs, right and you're

1730
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 3: getting something from a farm build program, you can't plow

1731
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 3: under a wetland or drain a wetland. So that's type

1732
01:28:47,840 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 3: a type of a disincentive, but then incentives for some

1733
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 3: of the things I was talking about with conservation reserve

1734
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 3: program or equip or wetland reserve easement where you're putting

1735
01:28:56,360 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 3: your land permanently in an easement protection or you know.

1736
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 5: Well, it's like there's not a necessarily like a one

1737
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 5: size fits all never deal too, because between like the

1738
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 5: state and the federal programs, you could have the ability

1739
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 5: to leave that intermittent wetland alone most of the time,

1740
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 5: but you could you could take hay off of it,

1741
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 5: you could graze it, but at certain times a year

1742
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 5: that that fit in God with the breeding nesting program.

1743
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 3: Glad you brought that up. And it's not a one

1744
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 3: size fits all. I mean, that's a really good point.

1745
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 3: And so each state is going to be different. So

1746
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:38,599
Speaker 3: North Dakota, South Dakota, what programs are available, what's allowed

1747
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:39,600
Speaker 3: not allowed.

1748
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 5: And sometimes it's your flyway too, right Like if you're

1749
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 5: in an area that's trying to bring back sandhill crane, yep,

1750
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 5: certain properties along that flyway are going to pay more

1751
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:51,600
Speaker 5: for all these programs.

1752
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 3: And the great thing about these programs and even an easement,

1753
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 3: you know, if they're voluntary, of course, but if you

1754
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 3: put an easeman on your property, the landowner can still

1755
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 3: use the land and it's but then it's that being

1756
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 3: able to be there for habitat, for waterfound other species,

1757
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 3: for generations.

1758
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, a buddy of mine, big farmer in South Dakota.

1759
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 5: He like, it's the most awesome, feel good story ever.

1760
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:19,400
Speaker 5: He started just getting into these programs because it made

1761
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 5: more financial sense than trying to farm this stuff. And

1762
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 5: he's like, yeah, we remove the diesel fuel, removed the

1763
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 5: seed costs, the nitrogen costs, all these costs to farm

1764
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 5: something marginal to not get a return. But we also

1765
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:46,200
Speaker 5: don't have to turn our steering wheel start picking up

1766
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 5: a couple of bucks for different things. Saw some good improvement,

1767
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:54,559
Speaker 5: saw crazy stuff happen, Like all of a sudden, they

1768
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 5: had prairie chickens on the ranch, and it's like it's

1769
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:01,599
Speaker 5: because we were in this state program. Oh, super cool

1770
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 5: that you know, incentivized native grasses.

1771
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 4: So you saw it good.

1772
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 5: Drought tolerants increase, fire tolerants increase. And then the other

1773
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:19,360
Speaker 5: cool thing that they saw increase was just family interest

1774
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 5: in the farm because it's like, well, twenty years ago,

1775
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:28,840
Speaker 5: there was nothing else to look at other than the

1776
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 5: row you were hoing, basically, and now there's like deer

1777
01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 5: running around, there's lots of birds, there's raptors, all sorts

1778
01:31:36,160 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 5: of wildlife increase, and the interest level from you know,

1779
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 5: the the small family members who don't really care about

1780
01:31:44,439 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 5: the financial part of things.

1781
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:47,639
Speaker 4: They're like, oh, this is a cool.

1782
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 2: Place to be, yep.

1783
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 1: But then you get one of those guys drives round,

1784
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 1: pissed off all the time.

1785
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 3: Farm Yeah, well it's it's the farm. Farm the best

1786
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 3: and leave the rest right. But I love coming to

1787
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 3: the prairies and listening to the stories. You know, so

1788
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 3: cattle and ducks go really well together, and they both

1789
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 3: need grass and everything, and so I come. I love

1790
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 3: coming to the prairies and listening to the testimonials of

1791
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 3: some of these folks that you know, drained a wetland

1792
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:19,759
Speaker 3: years ago with their great grandfather, but then are putting

1793
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 3: it back and they love the family interest and the

1794
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 3: kids are enjoying it. But then, you know, or some

1795
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 3: of them that decide, I'm gonna we're going to into ranching,

1796
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 3: and they convert, you know, from farming from crop to

1797
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 3: to ranching, and takes a ton of money for them

1798
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 3: to do it, and they're probably losing money and not

1799
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 3: always in the best spot. But then there's programs that

1800
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 3: are available to help them out or putting in practices

1801
01:32:42,200 --> 01:32:45,639
Speaker 3: on that working farm that are going to protect wetlands,

1802
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 3: and so it's pretty fun to listen to the testimonials,

1803
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 3: just like you were just saying to your buddy that

1804
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 3: of of what happens too when they joined some of

1805
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 3: these programs.

1806
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 1: I got too quick ducks, unlimited banquet stories for you.

1807
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:01,479
Speaker 3: I love these. I can't wait.

1808
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:02,960
Speaker 2: One time I was in the market for.

1809
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 1: A new fish finder, yeah, and I was able to

1810
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:08,799
Speaker 1: buy a I was buying it anyway, buying it anyway,

1811
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 1: but I was able to buy a thousand dollars gift

1812
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:16,200
Speaker 1: card to bass Pro shops for seven hundred dollars. It

1813
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 1: was like I basically bought one thousand dollars for seven

1814
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:23,679
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. My other story bottomless beer for ten dollars.

1815
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:26,680
Speaker 2: My other story is just my buddy Ryan.

1816
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 1: He was at one of those and he was drunk

1817
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 1: and he was bidden on something, but he was in

1818
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 1: his mind he was buying what was up next?

1819
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 2: Oh no, so he's looking at what's up next.

1820
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 4: It's like, I can't believe nobody else is going on.

1821
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 1: I was like bidden and bidden, and he wins, and

1822
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 1: his buddy's like, what the hell you want that? Because

1823
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 1: they're like in another state.

1824
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 2: He's like, what do you want that picnic table for bad?

1825
01:33:47,439 --> 01:33:52,040
Speaker 3: Oh my god? Whatever was yep, He's like, I.

1826
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 1: Was bidding on that.

1827
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 2: That'll happen. That'll happen.

1828
01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 3: I love our banquets and really get so many support

1829
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:03,680
Speaker 3: through them. And people come in, well they come for

1830
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 3: the party, but then they stayed for the ducks.

1831
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:07,839
Speaker 2: A carnival for adults.

1832
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: It is. It's a lot of fun. Is that still

1833
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 1: functioning good? Like, oh yeah, because COVID probably killed it

1834
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 1: for a while, right, You would have.

1835
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 3: Thought, man, are that team? They are absolutely incredible. David Schustler,

1836
01:34:20,439 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 3: he's the chief of that that team. They pivoted so fast.

1837
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 3: We're like, okay, guys, we're going to be shut down.

1838
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 3: I'm thinking I will be shut down for a couple

1839
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 3: of weeks. It all come back. He had different ideas.

1840
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 3: So they went to all this online stuff almost immediately

1841
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 3: and the like and everyone's sitting at home look up

1842
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 3: for something to do. And we had all sorts of

1843
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 3: different interactive ways for people to join online. And then

1844
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 3: as soon as we could go back outside, they were

1845
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 3: setting up big tents and you know, going state by state.

1846
01:34:48,439 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 3: They I don't know if they slept much during during

1847
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 3: that time, but they were actually able to keep our

1848
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,719
Speaker 3: events system rolling. And then we had our major donors.

1849
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 3: I cannot tell you how important our volunteers and our

1850
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 3: major donors are. Like I was talking about all the

1851
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:05,720
Speaker 3: match for all these programs. I think we had one

1852
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy six million dollars in public dollars last

1853
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 3: year our team brought in. But that takes a bunch

1854
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 3: of match. And our donors are incredible, and how our

1855
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:21,040
Speaker 3: philanthropists that give. But then also everybody that goes to

1856
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:23,920
Speaker 3: an event and the money that that first dollar comes

1857
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 3: in an event and the dollars that they spend there,

1858
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:31,240
Speaker 3: how that goes to conservation. It's a pretty incredible organization.

1859
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:33,679
Speaker 3: It's been a lot of fun the last five years

1860
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 3: and looking for many more. But I didn't realize before

1861
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 3: I came to work for Ducks Unlimited, that passion that

1862
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:43,600
Speaker 3: is with all of those volunteers, with the staff, with

1863
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 3: our major donors, And they really came through in COVID.

1864
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 3: Our major donors stepped up like they never had before

1865
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:52,640
Speaker 3: to make sure that Ducks Unlimited was going to be

1866
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 3: able to make it through it.

1867
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 1: So my friend Mark here in town, he made a

1868
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 1: rule a couple of years ago that he let a

1869
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 1: lot of people hunt on his place, but you can't

1870
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:04,560
Speaker 1: hunt his place unless you're a Do you remember I

1871
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: like that.

1872
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 3: That's great, he's got some there.

1873
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 2: No, I no, which reminds me I took.

1874
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 1: I got to make sure my kids are still up

1875
01:36:12,240 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 1: because I kind of extended it to my kids. But

1876
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 1: I got to make sure I didn't violate his rules.

1877
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 1: Went out there for the check a couple.

1878
01:36:22,479 --> 01:36:24,559
Speaker 4: That's why you just got to get that lifetime membership.

1879
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 3: Right to have a membership for him right here.

1880
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 7: You'll never have to worry about it again.

1881
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 1: I did like I did lifetime at Turkey Federation. I

1882
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 1: did lifetime at Rocky Mount Elk Foundation. But I should

1883
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:39,120
Speaker 1: do my lifetime at DU. My next lifetime should be

1884
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:39,959
Speaker 1: DU lifetime.

1885
01:36:40,360 --> 01:36:44,759
Speaker 3: Well, you know, or you can just annually, you know support.

1886
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:49,120
Speaker 5: That's the covey of the lifetime membership. Yeah, because a

1887
01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 5: lot of people think they're done.

1888
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:54,400
Speaker 3: No, No, there's no lifetime membership. It's you're never done.

1889
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1890
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 1: How much do you guys get? How much public money

1891
01:36:58,360 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 1: from all you guys efforts?

1892
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:01,880
Speaker 3: That's it was around one hundred and seventy five seventy

1893
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 3: six million. Our team spends a lot of time writing

1894
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,160
Speaker 3: a lot of grants and it's like I said, it's diverse.

1895
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:12,720
Speaker 3: We don't just one type of funding. And that's that's

1896
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 3: something that we all need to be thinking about. Are

1897
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 3: what are those funding opportunities, like all the other benefits

1898
01:37:22,080 --> 01:37:25,719
Speaker 3: that wetlands provide, what types of funding opportunities and streams

1899
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 3: can come from that as well, because we need to

1900
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:31,680
Speaker 3: be able to diversify. Unfortunately, we probably aren't going to

1901
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 3: have as many hunters sitting around the table and however

1902
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 3: many years I hope I'm wrong, But how do we

1903
01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:40,680
Speaker 3: get other people to understand the importance of the conservation

1904
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 3: work because I do think you know, sportsmen are our

1905
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 3: first conservationists, and so how do we encourage other people

1906
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 3: to have that same interest in the like whether it's

1907
01:37:52,240 --> 01:37:55,600
Speaker 3: turkeys or mule deer or National Deer Association, whoever it is.

1908
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 1: That's a lot of interest. Because there's only a million

1909
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 1: dock hunters, right, I did one hundred and seventy five

1910
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:03,760
Speaker 1: million public dollars, But yeah, what's that?

1911
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:05,640
Speaker 3: Well, I mean as far as duck hunters, you know,

1912
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 3: and how many members we have, there's probably more duck

1913
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:09,680
Speaker 3: hunters but you're right, it's like.

1914
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 2: A lot of it's a lot of per like because

1915
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:14,519
Speaker 2: you know how many duck stamps get bought.

1916
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:18,000
Speaker 7: I was going to say, like you always hear people

1917
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 7: talk about, Oh, anybody can buy a duck stamp. I'm

1918
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:21,679
Speaker 7: curious how many.

1919
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 2: It's five people.

1920
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:26,200
Speaker 7: Well, that's my suspicion, but I'm wondering.

1921
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 1: If you have any insight in Well, Max Barta buys

1922
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:28,760
Speaker 1: one for his dog.

1923
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, well there's people that buy.

1924
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 3: I buy several, Yeah, because I want one to keep,

1925
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:35,760
Speaker 3: and then I want one that i've got.

1926
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 7: I buy multiples because I forgot I already.

1927
01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 1: Bought one, I lose them.

1928
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.

1929
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:44,760
Speaker 1: But I think it's probably I mean, there are exceptions.

1930
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a probably a pretty clean.

1931
01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:50,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, because there I was really surprised when

1932
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:51,800
Speaker 3: I did the duck stamp judging last year, which I

1933
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 3: thought was like the coolest thing ever. By the way,

1934
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 3: I didn't realize how cool it was, but there were

1935
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 3: a lot of art enthusiasts that we're kind of like

1936
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 3: chiming in on that online thing. I went and looked

1937
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:04,439
Speaker 3: at it later that nothun or that are not hunters

1938
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:07,200
Speaker 3: now I don't know it's them well count all ten

1939
01:39:07,240 --> 01:39:10,200
Speaker 3: of them, but it is, I mean it is. The

1940
01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 3: majority is going to be hunters and have been doing it,

1941
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:15,799
Speaker 3: you know, for since what the first one ding Darling

1942
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 3: and nineteen thirty four. I should have that off the

1943
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 3: top of my head. But it's mostly going to be

1944
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 3: your duck hunters.

1945
01:39:25,439 --> 01:39:26,519
Speaker 2: You know what Cal and I are going to do.

1946
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:28,840
Speaker 1: He doesn't know this yet, but when we retire, I

1947
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:33,280
Speaker 1: got a couple of things on my list that I'm

1948
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:34,799
Speaker 1: gonna do with my retirement project.

1949
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 4: But we're going to give you a dog.

1950
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 1: No, I'm going to try to establish a I'm gonna

1951
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:43,760
Speaker 1: try to establish a universal Blaze orange requirement of a

1952
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:49,920
Speaker 1: hat no more than a hat, A hat, hat orange hat.

1953
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 7: I've seen quite a few Montana hunters out there already

1954
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:53,640
Speaker 7: are on board with that.

1955
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 1: Not because because when you're wearing a vest and you're

1956
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,000
Speaker 1: trying to change your clothes, it's just too much.

1957
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:04,040
Speaker 2: Just a hat. A hat's great, see that hat orange.

1958
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 4: I know the hat's got the same issue though, It's

1959
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 4: like every time I'm always to.

1960
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:11,600
Speaker 3: Ye putting something else on.

1961
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:13,720
Speaker 1: I write a book about how it's okay to hate

1962
01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:17,680
Speaker 1: Shakespeare and then I wanna Then then I want to

1963
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:21,760
Speaker 1: work on cal and I want to work on a

1964
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 1: public service thing to get the water fouling community to

1965
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:27,839
Speaker 1: take field care.

1966
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 2: Of their ducks more.

1967
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:37,000
Speaker 1: Seriously spread As you demonstrated today, they are exceptionally generous

1968
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:40,880
Speaker 1: with their conservation dollars. But I think that as a group,

1969
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:43,720
Speaker 1: I have like as a group, I can't think of

1970
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 1: a more egregious and I'm like, I like the hundred

1971
01:40:47,479 --> 01:40:50,840
Speaker 1: ducks yesterday, geese and ducks. I can't think of a

1972
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:57,240
Speaker 1: more egregious group of people when it comes to utilization

1973
01:40:57,360 --> 01:40:57,960
Speaker 1: of the resource.

1974
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:00,880
Speaker 4: Really, you remember the dinner.

1975
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:04,840
Speaker 1: I can't think of a more egregious group, a more

1976
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 1: generous but egregious group of.

1977
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 5: People, the dinner that we had when we when we

1978
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:14,599
Speaker 5: came out for the h the survey of release two

1979
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:17,600
Speaker 5: years ago. Like, if there's just more of that going on,

1980
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 5: Like people are like, oh, here's my recipe, here's what

1981
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:24,559
Speaker 5: I do, more of that type of sharing that's pretty

1982
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:25,920
Speaker 5: dark limited in.

1983
01:41:25,960 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 3: The field, saying once they.

1984
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 1: Utilization of you gotta explain, okay, come on, well okay,

1985
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:37,040
Speaker 1: for instance, well not for instance, here here's the thing.

1986
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:38,720
Speaker 4: That I look at ways to use the Dutch.

1987
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe that our state did this. Our state

1988
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:44,400
Speaker 1: used to have salvage that we have salvage requirements in

1989
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:48,040
Speaker 1: the state. Okay, many states of salvage requirements. They actually

1990
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 1: lowered the salvage requirement, meaning on a mallard sized bird,

1991
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 1: you were required to keep the thighs. You're required to

1992
01:41:56,439 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 1: keep the breast meat in the thighs. And one day

1993
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:00,280
Speaker 1: they also said, like you know, you know, like now

1994
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 1: it's okay just to throw that in the garbage.

1995
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 4: Got to keep the brass, don't have to retain what.

1996
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:09,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like like among I think it's it's triggered

1997
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:16,879
Speaker 1: by a bunch of things. There's the there's the strictly

1998
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:18,880
Speaker 1: enforced and I'm not saying you should get away with it,

1999
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 1: the strictly enforced possession limit thing where people like if

2000
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 1: you're out hunting ducks for a week, but you can

2001
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 1: only have three days of possession. I think it inspires

2002
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:30,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people to try to find ways to

2003
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 1: offload ducks. And there's just so many stories of guys

2004
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:37,200
Speaker 1: looking off bridges and there's hundreds of snow geese carcasses,

2005
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:41,560
Speaker 1: Like it's just like it's just like as a community,

2006
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 1: I think the waterfowl community as a community is very

2007
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 1: poor about utilizing the meat from the birds. And I

2008
01:42:50,439 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 1: have not not wanting to do, like, not wanting to

2009
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:53,760
Speaker 1: do any kind of work.

2010
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 7: You shouldn't feel compelled to uh to agree with him?

2011
01:42:57,280 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I'm not going to know. I

2012
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 3: have not seen that. However, what I no, I haven't.

2013
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:05,720
Speaker 5: Honestly, you should read the comments I'll pluck a duck

2014
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 5: and put it on Instagram, and you should read the

2015
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 5: hateful comments about how much time that takes the fans

2016
01:43:14,240 --> 01:43:18,080
Speaker 5: that that someone would take the time to pluck a duck.

2017
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:24,080
Speaker 3: Why do they care if you pluck it's the internet. Yes,

2018
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 3: that doesn't make it. But you know, there are things

2019
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:31,080
Speaker 3: that I think to your point of recipes, and we

2020
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:33,280
Speaker 3: do a lot of stuff in the magazine and online.

2021
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:35,519
Speaker 3: We could do it. We could do it probably with

2022
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 3: our podcast.

2023
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:39,559
Speaker 1: I'm not blaming I'm not blaming du For some someday

2024
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:41,519
Speaker 1: I want to do like a public service thing about

2025
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:43,759
Speaker 1: like how darks taste is gonna be called darks taste

2026
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:44,240
Speaker 1: really good?

2027
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:47,479
Speaker 3: Well, you know, there useduld be the old joke of

2028
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 3: you know, the best way to cook a goose. You know,

2029
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 3: you put it on this more and then and then

2030
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:55,599
Speaker 3: you keep them board right yep, So which is totally

2031
01:43:55,720 --> 01:44:00,599
Speaker 3: not true. I have eaten some damn good uh geese

2032
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 3: and some damn good ducks over the last however many

2033
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:06,440
Speaker 3: years of my life, and it is in the preparation

2034
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 3: of it and everything else, just like I mean, you know,

2035
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:12,280
Speaker 3: I hear a lot of you know, even deer hunters. Well,

2036
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:15,000
Speaker 3: there's a lot of stuff they got to cut through

2037
01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:16,920
Speaker 3: on the on the shoulder, so I don't keep the

2038
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:19,880
Speaker 3: shoulder meat. Now, hold on a second, so you could

2039
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:21,760
Speaker 3: do this, you could grind it up. So there's all

2040
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:23,720
Speaker 3: sorts of things that we could all learn from each

2041
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 3: other if maybe we had that better community of here

2042
01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:29,519
Speaker 3: are things that you can do. I mean, squirrel hunters,

2043
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:32,360
Speaker 3: a lot of squirrel hunters are like, oh, it's a

2044
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:35,240
Speaker 3: lot of work to to you know, clean a fox squirrel.

2045
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:36,840
Speaker 3: There's so much harder than gray squirrels. I'm like, well,

2046
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:38,800
Speaker 3: then don't shoot the damn fox squirrel. Yeah, you know,

2047
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:41,160
Speaker 3: if you don't want to clean, don't shoot it.

2048
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 5: Run out of the butcher shop, spend sixty dollars on

2049
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 5: the nicest rear by a steak you can fine and then.

2050
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 4: Cover it and hair and bile.

2051
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 2: And let.

2052
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 4: Yuh and then tell me what you think.

2053
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:55,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you know what, I regret. I regret.

2054
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:56,240
Speaker 2: I regret.

2055
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:58,360
Speaker 1: Bring that up and act like that's your problem. I

2056
01:44:58,439 --> 01:45:01,760
Speaker 1: think the whole show. But I want to reapproach it.

2057
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it, you know, but.

2058
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 2: I want to reapproach it. I want to say this.

2059
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:08,200
Speaker 2: I want to have Phil remove all that and it'll

2060
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:12,760
Speaker 2: just be me saying that, man, a well handled.

2061
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:16,800
Speaker 1: Duck is damn good. It is just really good. It

2062
01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:18,599
Speaker 1: is really good.

2063
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 3: It is. It is phenomenal.

2064
01:45:21,320 --> 01:45:26,559
Speaker 1: And when you take geese breasts and make pastrami, it's

2065
01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:27,800
Speaker 1: really really good.

2066
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:28,760
Speaker 2: That's all.

2067
01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 4: Take all that out, Phil Reuben Sandwich.

2068
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:32,760
Speaker 2: It seems like I kind of ruined the whole show,

2069
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:33,120
Speaker 2: didn't it.

2070
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:37,200
Speaker 3: No, No, no, no, no, just picking on duck hunters,

2071
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:38,160
Speaker 3: that's all I'm saying.

2072
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:41,720
Speaker 1: No, but I was praising duck hunters, but I was

2073
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:46,080
Speaker 1: praising them about the how how generous and dedicated they are.

2074
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:48,280
Speaker 4: My litmus test is.

2075
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:49,920
Speaker 5: Though, like when somebody's like, oh, yeah, you like to

2076
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:51,880
Speaker 5: hunt ducks, we should come hume, I'm like, cool, how do.

2077
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:52,400
Speaker 2: You cook them?

2078
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:56,800
Speaker 5: Seriously, and to this day, one of the best duck

2079
01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 5: hunting connections I've ever made was from that exact conversation,

2080
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 5: being like, well, this is what we do, and I

2081
01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, we can talk more.

2082
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:07,479
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, so is really good.

2083
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:09,400
Speaker 1: Far be it from me to stereotype, but I'll tell

2084
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:11,240
Speaker 1: you you want to see some the ones. I know.

2085
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:19,519
Speaker 1: The cages are some duck eating, yes, duck prepared man, Yes,

2086
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:25,680
Speaker 1: I mean they eat the beak. Yeah, that's that. I'm

2087
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 1: trying to go positive. I'm trying to be like du

2088
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:32,120
Speaker 1: and go care it not the stick trying to go positive?

2089
01:46:33,680 --> 01:46:34,439
Speaker 1: Ruined the whole show?

2090
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:36,840
Speaker 2: Was that bad? Phil? When I brought it up, it

2091
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:39,160
Speaker 2: seemed like a like kind of deflated everything.

2092
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 4: Well, there have been occurrences in the past that I

2093
01:46:42,840 --> 01:46:44,880
Speaker 4: think you probably should have had that reaction to. I

2094
01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:47,280
Speaker 4: don't think this is I actually.

2095
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 7: Think I actually think saying that this this was the

2096
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:54,519
Speaker 7: line calling this for the time, saying that you've ruined

2097
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:56,120
Speaker 7: the show, I think is doing more.

2098
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 1: Smith is coming up at the hole deeper. As we

2099
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:06,280
Speaker 1: were on the way down here, Cal and I were

2100
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 1: talking about this issue. Yes, yeah, that was they's I

2101
01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:13,400
Speaker 1: came in the room with it on the mind. You know,

2102
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:16,680
Speaker 1: there's just like someone had shared an anecdote.

2103
01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:19,080
Speaker 3: I care if it's a local thing that you're seeing here.

2104
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:22,600
Speaker 3: I think it's a local thing, like I promise you.

2105
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 3: I hunt mostly in the South, but I've hunted other

2106
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:29,639
Speaker 3: places as well, and I don't see that. I see

2107
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:31,840
Speaker 3: it as like everyone comes back to the duck camp

2108
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:34,160
Speaker 3: and what are we going to have? It's gonna be duck.

2109
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:36,240
Speaker 3: I mean, you know that's it's cooked.

2110
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:40,720
Speaker 5: But I think it's regional cultures, right, and there's you know,

2111
01:47:41,120 --> 01:47:44,800
Speaker 5: like you know, it's like people who don't have the

2112
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:47,040
Speaker 5: experience or they're trying to get into it, and they

2113
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:51,960
Speaker 5: don't already even do what a lot of us would would.

2114
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:55,280
Speaker 5: You know, they're they're preparing things out of the box

2115
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:59,679
Speaker 5: versus cooking something. You know, they're they're very instruction based,

2116
01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:03,320
Speaker 5: Like they have a very hard time grasping any sort

2117
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:03,759
Speaker 5: of bird.

2118
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 3: Right last time I checked, everybody wants to be like

2119
01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:09,400
Speaker 3: meat eater and they want to you know, I mean,

2120
01:48:09,479 --> 01:48:12,400
Speaker 3: I'm joking aside, you guys do a really good job

2121
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:16,799
Speaker 3: of bringing that to the table, right literally to the table,

2122
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:20,720
Speaker 3: as far as you know, the the that importance and

2123
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:23,120
Speaker 3: that full cycle in what you do. I think you

2124
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:26,720
Speaker 3: know you ducks unlimited. Other people like that. Whatever the

2125
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:30,880
Speaker 3: game species is talking about, that that importance of being

2126
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:34,960
Speaker 3: off the landscape and and it providing that that wonderful

2127
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 3: protein that we all crave so much.

2128
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:38,720
Speaker 2: Excellent. That's good.

2129
01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:39,400
Speaker 3: See how I.

2130
01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:46,960
Speaker 2: No, it's good. We were talking about the other day

2131
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:49,040
Speaker 2: what someone needs to make an invention of is.

2132
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:53,759
Speaker 3: That, besides the flat tree I already invented.

2133
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:56,360
Speaker 1: That is a machine if you could come up with

2134
01:48:56,479 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 1: this is a machine that you put docs into. Okay,

2135
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:02,120
Speaker 1: and you turn the machine out in the morning, you

2136
01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:04,640
Speaker 1: got duck sausage sticks waiting for you on the other end.

2137
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:06,280
Speaker 7: Good luck with that.

2138
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 1: I like it. I'm trying to, just like you, wake

2139
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:13,519
Speaker 1: up in the morning and just let machines shut down

2140
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 1: and it's just just pepperoni sticks.

2141
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:18,200
Speaker 3: Man. Let me tell you, I am the most popular

2142
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:20,880
Speaker 3: person at Christmas right now because I have a lot

2143
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:23,320
Speaker 3: of duck sausage.

2144
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 1: And it is so freaking good. When Cow and I

2145
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:27,560
Speaker 1: were talking, we were talking about this very thing, and

2146
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:32,000
Speaker 1: I was saying, like, it doesn't matter any idea about

2147
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:33,280
Speaker 1: whether you like ducks or not.

2148
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:37,160
Speaker 2: Everybody likes pepperoni. Sticks.

2149
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:37,840
Speaker 3: That's right.

2150
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:40,719
Speaker 1: So if you go duck hunting, get all your duck breasts,

2151
01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 1: put them in a pile and make a bunch of

2152
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:45,759
Speaker 1: pepperoni sticks. No damn good because like everybody likes those.

2153
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:49,800
Speaker 3: Put a bunch of you know, honey in there. Make them.

2154
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 1: See So then at the end of the duck seas

2155
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,640
Speaker 1: you got, you got twenty pounds of pepperoni sticks. You

2156
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:58,240
Speaker 1: drive around, eat do that.

2157
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:01,080
Speaker 3: There you go. They make great Chris gifts. Everybody wants.

2158
01:50:01,160 --> 01:50:02,960
Speaker 2: There you go, pepperoni stick.

2159
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 4: Get crazy pickling Brian afterwards, Oh I.

2160
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:11,000
Speaker 2: Never heard really. Oh yeah, pickle, pepperoni sticks.

2161
01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:13,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, pickle, pickle, the sausage ext your.

2162
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:17,120
Speaker 1: Salt, get right, because like in the old days, you

2163
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:18,919
Speaker 1: go and do a bar and you'd have the sausage

2164
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:19,639
Speaker 1: and the pickle jar.

2165
01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:21,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, good stuff.

2166
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:30,160
Speaker 2: Since I quit drinking, I forgot about that. And the

2167
01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:32,280
Speaker 2: really good bar would have eggs and a pickle jar.

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01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:34,200
Speaker 1: They'd have sausages and.

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01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:35,200
Speaker 4: The pi wizzards.

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01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 3: You not have chicken feet and stuff like.

2171
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:41,880
Speaker 1: That where I grew No, no, we had a lot

2172
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:45,400
Speaker 1: of smoke stuff, but pickling wasn't huge in the Midwest.

2173
01:50:46,520 --> 01:50:51,240
Speaker 1: No great, And what else is there anything? I didn't

2174
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:52,680
Speaker 1: ask you about. I don't know.

2175
01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:55,800
Speaker 3: There's all sorts of things. We could play this game

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01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 3: all day.

2177
01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:58,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably a lot of things that didn't ask you about.

2178
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:00,360
Speaker 1: But is there any like super pressing thing that I

2179
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:01,760
Speaker 1: should I should have brought up?

2180
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:04,000
Speaker 3: No, I think we covered a lot of great stuffy,

2181
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:04,639
Speaker 3: been fun.

2182
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:10,080
Speaker 1: It's been educational because man, I hate any kind of

2183
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:14,760
Speaker 1: story about you know, wildlife going downhill over the years,

2184
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:17,519
Speaker 1: and it's distressing to think of all that wetlands loss.

2185
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:20,680
Speaker 3: It is, it is very distressing, and so I think

2186
01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:23,600
Speaker 3: it's it's obviously what we do at Ducks Unlimited. We

2187
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:27,280
Speaker 3: think about it every day because it is we you know,

2188
01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:29,479
Speaker 3: part of our mission and our vision is to make

2189
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:32,479
Speaker 3: sure that it's here for that waterfowl, here for many

2190
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:33,639
Speaker 3: generations to enjoy.

2191
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:37,120
Speaker 1: When you crystal ball it, do you think, what's your prediction,

2192
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:39,439
Speaker 1: you know, like in a hundred years, if people going

2193
01:51:39,479 --> 01:51:40,040
Speaker 1: to hunt ducks?

2194
01:51:40,920 --> 01:51:44,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, ducks one hundred years, absolutely, and we're going to

2195
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:47,920
Speaker 3: have waterfowl filling this guys too. And it's because of hunters,

2196
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:52,719
Speaker 3: it's because of you know, conservation enthusiasts. A lot of reasons.

2197
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:56,360
Speaker 3: Organizations like Ducks Unlimited and many other conservation organizations. We're

2198
01:51:56,360 --> 01:51:56,760
Speaker 3: going to have it.

2199
01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:58,800
Speaker 1: So in one hundred years they'll be driving around eating

2200
01:51:58,840 --> 01:51:59,760
Speaker 1: duck pepperoni stacks.

2201
01:52:00,120 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 2: You are.

2202
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:07,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a great article. This came out a long time.

2203
01:52:07,200 --> 01:52:08,720
Speaker 4: You've probably read it, but.

2204
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:14,120
Speaker 5: There's this guy's talking about his lamenting living in a

2205
01:52:14,160 --> 01:52:18,920
Speaker 5: big city and he's missing waterfowl season. But you know,

2206
01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:21,720
Speaker 5: life has him working in a big city and he

2207
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:26,200
Speaker 5: steps out onto the subway platform and there's a via

2208
01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:30,080
Speaker 5: geese going over and he's looking up at this via geese.

2209
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:32,920
Speaker 5: Then he, for whatever reasons, kind of scans the crowd

2210
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:34,240
Speaker 5: out there and finds the.

2211
01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:38,439
Speaker 4: One other person going like this. He's like that, that

2212
01:52:38,680 --> 01:52:43,759
Speaker 4: was my waterfowl hunter. But you know, we need folks

2213
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:45,960
Speaker 4: in the in the big cities to clue in on

2214
01:52:46,120 --> 01:52:47,000
Speaker 4: stuff like this too.

2215
01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:50,439
Speaker 1: So so let's do let's do a checklist. Like if

2216
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:51,880
Speaker 1: you're going if you're a duck hunter, you got to

2217
01:52:51,880 --> 01:52:54,160
Speaker 1: buy your duck stamp. You gotta buy you so you

2218
01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:57,040
Speaker 1: got to do that anyways, and that's like that, that's a.

2219
01:52:57,080 --> 01:52:58,240
Speaker 2: Lot of funding for wetlands.

2220
01:52:58,640 --> 01:53:03,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely, if your duck hunters probably joined Ducks Unlimited, because

2221
01:53:03,080 --> 01:53:04,000
Speaker 1: if you go on duck hunting.

2222
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:04,760
Speaker 2: You want to get ducks.

2223
01:53:04,840 --> 01:53:06,600
Speaker 1: If you want to get ducks, you need wetlands and

2224
01:53:06,640 --> 01:53:08,120
Speaker 1: Ducks Unlimited does wetlands work?

2225
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:08,800
Speaker 3: You got it?

2226
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 2: So there's that. If you like to have fun, go

2227
01:53:13,600 --> 01:53:14,320
Speaker 2: to the banquets.

2228
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:15,639
Speaker 3: There are a lot of fun.

2229
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:17,360
Speaker 2: Like I said, it's a carnival for grown ups.

2230
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:19,880
Speaker 3: And you can win a picnic table.

2231
01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:21,400
Speaker 2: See, you can win like a truck.

2232
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 1: I mean, how many guys you know have been hunting

2233
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:26,639
Speaker 1: their whole lives don't have guns from the du banquet?

2234
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, or prints or whatever. My silverware is Ducks Unlimited silverware.

2235
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:34,599
Speaker 1: Sure, for peep's sake. My old man had an ithaca.

2236
01:53:34,920 --> 01:53:38,320
Speaker 1: He had an ithaca father twenty gage and guess where

2237
01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:38,880
Speaker 1: that came from.

2238
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:44,120
Speaker 2: Uh So do that.

2239
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:46,559
Speaker 1: Go to the banquets and hang out, and then if

2240
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:48,639
Speaker 1: you got it, if you can swing some extra jingle

2241
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:52,120
Speaker 1: in your duck hunter, like make some donations up above

2242
01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 1: and beyond your membership, because the membership is pretty inexpensive.

2243
01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:55,640
Speaker 1: Yes it is.

2244
01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:56,559
Speaker 2: It's like it's like a.

2245
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:59,120
Speaker 3: Foot in the door, but the door and it's critically

2246
01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:02,000
Speaker 3: it's very import sure, but you know, and it's we

2247
01:54:02,240 --> 01:54:06,360
Speaker 3: leverage those dollars three, four or five times to try

2248
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:08,559
Speaker 3: to get as much conservation on the ground. So our

2249
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:12,559
Speaker 3: our leverage rate on donor dollars is very high.

2250
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:12,960
Speaker 2: Yep.

2251
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:16,360
Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, like for a lot of these programs,

2252
01:54:16,439 --> 01:54:18,760
Speaker 1: it's good to have private money because it helps you,

2253
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:22,200
Speaker 1: it helps you activate great public dollars.

2254
01:54:22,280 --> 01:54:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, without those private funds, we can't go after knock

2255
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:27,599
Speaker 3: a dollars or any farm bill, any of those other

2256
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:31,160
Speaker 3: dollars because it takes that private match as well. And

2257
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:32,920
Speaker 3: one thing I'll tell you we didn't talk about that

2258
01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:36,240
Speaker 3: I know it is really important to you, is you know,

2259
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:40,040
Speaker 3: from the land conservation standpoint, we do our lands program

2260
01:54:40,200 --> 01:54:43,120
Speaker 3: is very robust. So we do hold conservation easements most

2261
01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:44,280
Speaker 3: of them and a lot of them go to the

2262
01:54:44,360 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 3: US Fish and Wildlife Service, But we do hold easements

2263
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:50,680
Speaker 3: as well. But then we'll also buy land and sometimes

2264
01:54:50,720 --> 01:54:54,320
Speaker 3: it's too you know, conserve it as far as from

2265
01:54:54,360 --> 01:54:58,000
Speaker 3: a standpoint of restoration efforts and everything, but then a

2266
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:01,160
Speaker 3: lot of it is for facilitated acquisition for public hunting.

2267
01:55:02,600 --> 01:55:05,760
Speaker 3: And so just in the last five years, just shy

2268
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:10,000
Speaker 3: of fifty thousand acres that we purchased and then are

2269
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:12,959
Speaker 3: conveying to state, and we conveyed the state.

2270
01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:15,120
Speaker 1: Agency wildlife management areas.

2271
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:17,640
Speaker 3: For wild management areas, or to US Fish and Wildlife

2272
01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:20,840
Speaker 3: Service for refuge for hunting. So a lot of public

2273
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:22,120
Speaker 3: access opportunities.

2274
01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:24,680
Speaker 2: I know that one's and that's like that's willing seller,

2275
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:28,040
Speaker 2: willing buyer. That's right, buying lands for sale, yep.

2276
01:55:28,120 --> 01:55:31,320
Speaker 3: And it's a facilitated acquisition because a lot of times

2277
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:33,360
Speaker 3: states if they want to add it to there's a

2278
01:55:33,440 --> 01:55:35,360
Speaker 3: piece of property for sale and they want to add

2279
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:37,960
Speaker 3: it to their wildlife management area, the refuge, they can't

2280
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:40,480
Speaker 3: necessarily moves as quickly as we can in the sellers

2281
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:43,680
Speaker 3: and wants to get it sold, so we'll hope we'll

2282
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:45,720
Speaker 3: buy it, hold it and then convey it to the

2283
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:47,160
Speaker 3: public agency.

2284
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:49,320
Speaker 1: That's a really great thing because I've been over the years,

2285
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:51,720
Speaker 1: I've been made aware a number of times of like

2286
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:58,080
Speaker 1: calis send me something like really great strategic conservation purchases.

2287
01:55:58,680 --> 01:56:02,880
Speaker 1: But it's hard to be that nimble it is, I mean,

2288
01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:05,200
Speaker 1: it's like for sale, and then you're trying to get

2289
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:07,640
Speaker 1: some agency to figure it out and then you know

2290
01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:09,360
Speaker 1: they got a value it in a way that isn't

2291
01:56:09,400 --> 01:56:12,920
Speaker 1: realistic or whatever. And then and then to have people

2292
01:56:13,000 --> 01:56:16,320
Speaker 1: that can identify like a real hot conservation hot spot

2293
01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:17,960
Speaker 1: and boom, get in there and know how to make

2294
01:56:18,040 --> 01:56:23,520
Speaker 1: deals and then have the time to then facilitate and because.

2295
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:25,000
Speaker 3: You know, we've got great donors, a lot of them

2296
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:27,840
Speaker 3: are interested in that land conservation and getting it into

2297
01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:30,760
Speaker 3: public hunting access, and so while we're holding it, they'll

2298
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:33,600
Speaker 3: help with the costs of holding that property before we

2299
01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:36,760
Speaker 3: can convey it. So there's it's a it's a really

2300
01:56:37,600 --> 01:56:39,200
Speaker 3: it's a great service that we can make sure.

2301
01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:43,160
Speaker 5: That's kind of a sticky thing too sometimes with membership, right,

2302
01:56:43,200 --> 01:56:46,040
Speaker 5: because we were looking at a really cool project do

2303
01:56:46,160 --> 01:56:52,240
Speaker 5: you as doing in Iowa and it's like, well, yeah,

2304
01:56:52,280 --> 01:56:56,080
Speaker 5: we're buying the land and then eventually we're going to

2305
01:56:56,160 --> 01:56:59,200
Speaker 5: turn it over into I think it was a w

2306
01:56:59,480 --> 01:57:05,160
Speaker 5: m A. But first we're gonna pull out this drain tile,

2307
01:57:05,240 --> 01:57:10,040
Speaker 5: we're going to do some noxious weed work, we're gonna really.

2308
01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:12,400
Speaker 3: Like get it up to good quality.

2309
01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:16,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, good quality, And so you're always kind of like

2310
01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:20,640
Speaker 5: balancing out like yep, we did it. But land management

2311
01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:24,960
Speaker 5: takes time, and you know, sometimes membership or just the

2312
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:28,120
Speaker 5: public's like, well, where's the public access which has bought it?

2313
01:57:28,200 --> 01:57:28,560
Speaker 2: Where is it?

2314
01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:29,400
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2315
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:35,240
Speaker 3: Or like for example, with Canisnia, it's been a refuge

2316
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:38,960
Speaker 3: in or it's going to the Red River National Wildlife

2317
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:41,480
Speaker 3: Refuge in Louisiana. There's a piece of property. I think

2318
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:45,440
Speaker 3: it's a little over three thousand acres and we've had

2319
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:48,120
Speaker 3: it for several years, but we haven't been able to

2320
01:57:48,200 --> 01:57:50,200
Speaker 3: convey it to the US Fish and Wildlife Service because

2321
01:57:50,200 --> 01:57:54,000
Speaker 3: they had to get an expansion of the refuge in

2322
01:57:54,160 --> 01:57:56,360
Speaker 3: order to then take it. So that's like a federal thing.

2323
01:57:56,400 --> 01:57:57,080
Speaker 4: You have to go through that.

2324
01:57:57,200 --> 01:57:59,520
Speaker 3: So we've had to hold it for several years before

2325
01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:05,560
Speaker 3: we can can vieim not that place. And yeah, and

2326
01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:08,480
Speaker 3: so it is it's not just an overnight sort of thing.

2327
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:11,480
Speaker 3: And so to have that patience for people to realize that, hey,

2328
01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:13,040
Speaker 3: we might have to have it for a little bit

2329
01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:16,560
Speaker 3: before we're able to convey it is an important note.

2330
01:58:16,640 --> 01:58:20,240
Speaker 3: But it's a I think it's a it's an important program,

2331
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:22,880
Speaker 3: and I think it's something that's really good to be

2332
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:25,240
Speaker 3: able to do for for public hunting access.

2333
01:58:25,480 --> 01:58:28,080
Speaker 1: I got one last question for you. If God came

2334
01:58:28,160 --> 01:58:33,440
Speaker 1: down and he said you can either hunt only squirrels, boy,

2335
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:34,840
Speaker 1: or only.

2336
01:58:34,680 --> 01:58:37,080
Speaker 2: Ducks for the rest of your life, what would you.

2337
01:58:37,120 --> 01:58:46,360
Speaker 3: Pick I'm going to pick ducks. I'm I'm just saying that.

2338
01:58:47,200 --> 01:58:50,560
Speaker 3: I'm saying that, all right, My CEO, Adam Putnam, I

2339
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:59,800
Speaker 3: loves no I absolutely love squirrel hunting. It's uh, you know,

2340
01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:03,000
Speaker 3: and I know it sounds funny, like how can you

2341
01:59:03,080 --> 01:59:05,560
Speaker 3: be that passionate about squirrel honey, But in the world

2342
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:08,080
Speaker 3: it is a blast. And with dogs, man, you're out

2343
01:59:08,120 --> 01:59:10,120
Speaker 3: there with you with your dog. But als you can

2344
01:59:10,200 --> 01:59:11,920
Speaker 3: take kids. And that's my son.

2345
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:12,600
Speaker 1: The first thing.

2346
01:59:12,640 --> 01:59:17,480
Speaker 3: Ill, yeah, squirrel, I mean, you get to talk, can

2347
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:19,600
Speaker 3: make as much noise as you want. No one's yelling

2348
01:59:19,680 --> 01:59:22,120
Speaker 3: at you, you know, blowing their duck call just so

2349
01:59:22,200 --> 01:59:24,560
Speaker 3: you'll quit talking, you know that sort of thing. I mean,

2350
01:59:24,680 --> 01:59:27,240
Speaker 3: it's it's a I don't know, it's just so enjoyable.

2351
01:59:28,360 --> 01:59:29,600
Speaker 3: It's a big you know.

2352
01:59:30,640 --> 01:59:34,400
Speaker 1: Uh we we kind of introduced the technology into squirrel

2353
01:59:34,440 --> 01:59:36,200
Speaker 1: hunting that a couple of our friends that do it

2354
01:59:37,000 --> 01:59:40,720
Speaker 1: with dogs, but they were slow to adopt the binocular

2355
01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:43,080
Speaker 1: Do you bring the binoculars?

2356
01:59:43,200 --> 01:59:44,840
Speaker 3: I bring the binoculars. Absolutely.

2357
01:59:45,000 --> 01:59:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2358
01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:48,040
Speaker 1: They were like what I'm like, man, for finding the

2359
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:48,880
Speaker 1: squirrel in the tree.

2360
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:51,720
Speaker 3: Man, they are so good. So I'll train my dogs

2361
01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:53,360
Speaker 3: to go to the other side of the tree from me,

2362
01:59:54,000 --> 01:59:56,040
Speaker 3: so they'll push them around because they will hug on

2363
01:59:56,120 --> 01:59:58,040
Speaker 3: that tree, and then you're trying to go around, and

2364
01:59:58,120 --> 02:00:00,600
Speaker 3: it's going around the tree with you, you know, staying

2365
02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:03,000
Speaker 3: out of sight. We'll get my dog chased it to

2366
02:00:03,040 --> 02:00:04,800
Speaker 3: the other send it to the other side to chase

2367
02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:05,520
Speaker 3: the squirrel around.

2368
02:00:05,600 --> 02:00:09,120
Speaker 1: So I met a hunted blue grouse spring blue grouse

2369
02:00:09,200 --> 02:00:10,840
Speaker 1: with a woman that it's kind of very simple. We

2370
02:00:10,840 --> 02:00:12,160
Speaker 1: got their way up in the tree and trying to

2371
02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:14,040
Speaker 1: find them in the spring, and she would lay down

2372
02:00:14,120 --> 02:00:16,840
Speaker 1: on her back in the woods. She would kind of

2373
02:00:16,880 --> 02:00:19,680
Speaker 1: like it was mostly on hills, like steep country, so

2374
02:00:19,800 --> 02:00:21,600
Speaker 1: she'd go up a little way so she's more like

2375
02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:24,080
Speaker 1: eye level with the canopy and she would just lay

2376
02:00:24,120 --> 02:00:26,040
Speaker 1: on her back with binos and she'd lay there ten

2377
02:00:26,080 --> 02:00:27,080
Speaker 1: minutes and also be.

2378
02:00:27,160 --> 02:00:31,960
Speaker 2: Like got it. And so when we go out our

2379
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:32,560
Speaker 2: friends that had.

2380
02:00:32,480 --> 02:00:35,880
Speaker 3: Squirrel dogs, yeah, it wouldn't take a well no, but.

2381
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:37,640
Speaker 1: I would bring binos and now we would just lay

2382
02:00:37,720 --> 02:00:39,560
Speaker 1: there and after a while, because my buddy Kevin, he

2383
02:00:39,640 --> 02:00:43,280
Speaker 1: dog just looked through his scope, and after a while

2384
02:00:43,400 --> 02:00:45,840
Speaker 1: we got a couple of them to to like give

2385
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:48,760
Speaker 1: in to the point that binos are not yep, that

2386
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:51,000
Speaker 1: binos are helpful for fining those suckers. But what I

2387
02:00:51,080 --> 02:00:54,880
Speaker 1: was getting at was there's no better feeling, yeah than

2388
02:00:54,920 --> 02:00:56,880
Speaker 1: when you're just getting ready to walk away and all

2389
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:59,280
Speaker 1: of a sudden someone's like, got it. Yep, is that

2390
02:00:59,400 --> 02:00:59,960
Speaker 1: little bit.

2391
02:01:00,040 --> 02:01:02,720
Speaker 2: Ale hair glowing and you know, growing on top of

2392
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:03,680
Speaker 2: the branch or something.

2393
02:01:03,800 --> 02:01:06,080
Speaker 3: Got is one man moved his zar just enough for

2394
02:01:06,200 --> 02:01:06,720
Speaker 3: somebody to care.

2395
02:01:07,200 --> 02:01:09,520
Speaker 1: That's a good time doing that stuff. So you you

2396
02:01:09,640 --> 02:01:11,080
Speaker 1: twenty two are a shotgun.

2397
02:01:11,200 --> 02:01:13,600
Speaker 3: So a lot most of the time I'll take a shotgun.

2398
02:01:13,720 --> 02:01:16,080
Speaker 3: I do bring a you know, a twenty two as well,

2399
02:01:16,280 --> 02:01:18,600
Speaker 3: but a lot of the places that I might go

2400
02:01:18,680 --> 02:01:21,040
Speaker 3: on hunt or smaller properties, and so I'm usually taking

2401
02:01:21,120 --> 02:01:23,720
Speaker 3: a taking a shotgun. But if I can get a

2402
02:01:23,800 --> 02:01:26,040
Speaker 3: nice clean shot with a twenty two, it makes it

2403
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:29,720
Speaker 3: a lot easier getting that getting the shot out of him.

2404
02:01:29,960 --> 02:01:31,880
Speaker 1: I got who kept my buddy Kevin Murphy to go

2405
02:01:31,960 --> 02:01:33,240
Speaker 1: out with him? He's a squirrel dog.

2406
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:34,320
Speaker 3: Yeah he's in Kentucky.

2407
02:01:34,440 --> 02:01:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, ut like he.

2408
02:01:35,720 --> 02:01:38,160
Speaker 1: Calls out, he's got what he calls a war horse

2409
02:01:39,080 --> 02:01:42,600
Speaker 1: when he rides out if he's hunting squirrels for real, Yeah,

2410
02:01:42,680 --> 02:01:45,200
Speaker 1: when he rides out. He's got a twenty two, a shotgun,

2411
02:01:45,280 --> 02:01:46,680
Speaker 1: a baseball bat and axe.

2412
02:01:47,080 --> 02:01:54,560
Speaker 3: Damn too right, So you know Kevin Murphy, Kevin Murphy,

2413
02:01:54,600 --> 02:01:55,200
Speaker 3: West Kentucky.

2414
02:01:55,560 --> 02:01:57,720
Speaker 2: Ye, small is awesome.

2415
02:01:57,840 --> 02:01:59,920
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's what I'm talking about with the biny

2416
02:02:00,120 --> 02:02:04,160
Speaker 1: and stuff. He's a he's a woodsman, yeah, him and

2417
02:02:04,440 --> 02:02:06,280
Speaker 1: we had a swamp rabbit going to a hole in

2418
02:02:06,360 --> 02:02:09,000
Speaker 1: a tree. Yeah, he goes over and cuts a sawbrier.

2419
02:02:09,120 --> 02:02:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding you. I watches my own two eyes,

2420
02:02:11,080 --> 02:02:13,840
Speaker 1: cuts a sawbrier and snakes it up that hole and

2421
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:15,320
Speaker 1: he starts twirling.

2422
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:21,240
Speaker 2: It, pulls that lot, pulls that rabbit back out of

2423
02:02:21,280 --> 02:02:21,600
Speaker 2: the hole.

2424
02:02:21,960 --> 02:02:24,920
Speaker 1: But what he uses that bat for is now that

2425
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:28,200
Speaker 1: if there's a squirrel in a hollow, he'll just come up.

2426
02:02:28,240 --> 02:02:30,400
Speaker 1: He'll get He'll get the bat off his war horse

2427
02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:32,560
Speaker 1: and go over there and just wallow that tree with a.

2428
02:02:32,600 --> 02:02:36,640
Speaker 3: Bat, chases it out, and then the axes if all

2429
02:02:36,720 --> 02:02:38,840
Speaker 3: those fails just cut down the tree, he just.

2430
02:02:38,920 --> 02:02:40,960
Speaker 1: Hands it with him. You know, he's but yeah, he

2431
02:02:41,200 --> 02:02:44,000
Speaker 1: would get He gets real serious and he got into

2432
02:02:44,040 --> 02:02:47,240
Speaker 1: riding those horses because he says one time he was

2433
02:02:47,320 --> 02:02:48,760
Speaker 1: just hunting on foot like an idiot.

2434
02:02:48,840 --> 02:02:49,000
Speaker 2: You know.

2435
02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:53,000
Speaker 1: And he sees some guys coming up the road on

2436
02:02:53,120 --> 02:02:56,040
Speaker 1: horses and he said their saddle bags were just stuffed.

2437
02:02:55,760 --> 02:02:59,520
Speaker 2: He says, just squirrel tails hanging out of the saddle bags.

2438
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:01,080
Speaker 2: And he thought himself, I need to get one.

2439
02:03:02,520 --> 02:03:04,960
Speaker 3: Let me tell you, you know, you're those dogs. They'll

2440
02:03:05,000 --> 02:03:07,360
Speaker 3: go up one one mountain, like up one hill, down

2441
02:03:07,400 --> 02:03:08,880
Speaker 3: the other, up another, and then all of a sudden

2442
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:12,000
Speaker 3: they're striking and they're like, get here and get here now,

2443
02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:14,480
Speaker 3: and you're, you know, hooping it up and down, up

2444
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:16,320
Speaker 3: and down. So the horse shouts, I'm one of the

2445
02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:17,200
Speaker 3: idiots on foot.

2446
02:03:17,280 --> 02:03:19,360
Speaker 1: But you know, man, you got a home Kevin, because

2447
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:20,720
Speaker 1: you guys would have it. You guys be like two

2448
02:03:20,760 --> 02:03:21,480
Speaker 1: peas in a pot.

2449
02:03:21,680 --> 02:03:24,640
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Kevin and I go way back, way back. Okay,

2450
02:03:24,680 --> 02:03:27,400
Speaker 3: so oh I know Kevin, Oh yeah, own him for years.

2451
02:03:27,680 --> 02:03:30,400
Speaker 1: Butchy bad Toe, he's got all those famous dogs.

2452
02:03:30,080 --> 02:03:32,880
Speaker 3: And he's got some he has some good squirrel dogs,

2453
02:03:33,680 --> 02:03:34,680
Speaker 3: really good squirrel dogs.

2454
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:37,280
Speaker 1: All right, all right, well, thanks for coming down the show.

2455
02:03:37,400 --> 02:03:38,040
Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun.

2456
02:03:38,240 --> 02:03:40,400
Speaker 2: Everybody. Thank you, no, thanks so much.

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02:03:40,840 --> 02:03:41,160
Speaker 3: Thank you.