WEBVTT - The Young Lords 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:05.760 You are listening waiting on reparations production of I Heart Radio? 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:13.680 What What's good happening? My name is Dope Knife Homa Franca, 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:16.360 And today we are joined by the legendary Oh Ship. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:20.560 What's the name of the show. Yeah, reparations. We can't 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:22.200 we can't tell them about the guests before we get 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:24.840 to the show. Yeah, waiting on reparations. Well, I mean, 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:27.720 like you know, I would love reparations, but I will 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.720 also take having Mike Satown back on the show as 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:35.920 a consolation prize. Oh yeah, how are you? Who are you? Mike? 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:41.800 A lot of people give a ship that I'm very 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:43.960 excited to that. You know, we're happy that you're here. Alright, 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:46.360 We've got Mike seats out on the show with us. 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:48.160 Mike's with us. What are we gonna be talking about today? 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.760 We're at SO today. Oh, there's all kinds of stuff 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:53.680 to talking about. Biden was just in Atlanta today. I'll 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:58.040 be before with the police Go Dogs, and our main 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.440 topic of discussion, we're gonna be talking about out Um, 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:05.560 a gang in Chicago in the nineties that became a 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:09.039 civil and human rights organization, the Young Lords, and along 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:14.040 the way discussing the revolutionary potential of street games based 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:16.119 on the precedent that they were set by the Young 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.679 Lords back in the nineteen sixties, seventies, and eighties. Um, 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.000 but first, what is going on? I like, what is 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:26.600 going on? I was searching through the news today and 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.720 I came across that story about our homie that we 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:34.920 helped out the last years of making a little progressive 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:39.360 stand there. So Nancy Pelosi recently made some news by 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:44.240 defending members of Congress trading in stocks. It was a 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.840 pretty tone deaf thing. He explation was she doesn't know, 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.800 She like has never heard the tone. She was like, 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:54.720 it's doesn't know. I support the free market and like 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.200 I even like Fox, but you even have like Fox 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:01.880 News in like Republican good being, Like damn, I didn't 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.240 know we were just straight up support corruption like that. 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:10.280 So anywhere it's a it's a it's a multipartisan. Hair 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:16.120 has bucked the trend and has introduced the bill that 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:20.320 would make it illegal for UH sitting members of Congress 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:23.200 to trade in stocks. This is like an obvious snub 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.800 at Nancy Pelosi. What do you what do you think 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:30.280 this means? Mari? I mean, hopefully it means that they 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.360 actually been trading on stock. I just saw recently that 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:35.880 Ran Paul was like on some radio show talking about 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:38.520 have room dissevere is a great COVID treatment when he 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:42.600 owned stock. I mean, like they they're like naked about 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:44.160 it out here. They're not even trying to play you, 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:47.320 like they're not getting a rich off of our I 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:48.960 don't know where the name escapes me right now, but 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:55.200 who was the who did us off beat? Also beat? 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:57.800 You know, David Purdue? And I remember because there was 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:00.480 that debate where David Purdue just to and even show 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.520 up and assof was like yeah, smiling with his little 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.400 boyish chin and it's nice eyebrows and like gesturing to 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:09.720 this empty podium that David Perdue wasn't sand and David 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:15.040 Perdue and Kelly like zoom and like body bags ahead 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.720 of like the pandemic some steak and zoom and ship 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:20.920 while everybody was using it. And I mean also you 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:24.480 gotta remember that like all those congressional people knew how 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.639 bad COVID was gonna be and knew that it was coming. 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.280 So when you take all of that ship into consideration, 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.720 I mean we're just talking about straight up illegal activity 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.840 right here at this point, you will talk about some 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:37.840 gangs to ship. Yeah, today we're talking about oh street 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.800 gangs like making the world better. Can we crack down 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.640 on these corporate gangsters that like be you know, doing 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:47.040 these backroom deals to like profit off of human suffering 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:49.960 much akin to a drug dealer or you know, I 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:54.240 don't know what sex trash just legalized. The ship is 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:59.440 just legalized. What do you think, Mike, I didn't know 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:04.760 that you guys hilped so yeah, back in next last January, Uh, 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.040 Mack and I so, I like was a part of 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:11.000 this effort, this coalition of local politicians that like raised 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.320 like Tony Grand to pay all these people who go 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.960 out knocking on doors for him and war knocking. So 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.400 Mac and I went hit the streets, was out talking 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:23.080 to people about going out to vote, and and y'all, y'all, 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.200 y'all just slid some ship in. So wait so it 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:29.520 was aus off and uh war knock. Yeah, So y'all 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:34.440 were the motherfucker's responsible for me getting like five warnock flyers. 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.320 I didn't And I've said at city Hall for our 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:41.320 stuff and athletes to yep, yeah, I mean that's cool, 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:48.200 But I've man if if Warnock wasn't that I was 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.960 gonna not vote for him because all those fucking flyers. 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:55.160 I was like, Yo, I'm already on your side, bro, 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.960 I don't need these flyers, Like couldn't like all these 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:02.720 trees you're killing, like gosh, map hurting you. But no, 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:05.320 that's that's dope, man. I didn't know that. Oh yeah 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.719 we did that. Ship, I did that. Now I have 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.240 a hot take real quick because I feel like people 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:13.840 really like Warnock because it's fiery pastor and ship. I 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:17.200 actually I'm personally yeah. I mean I don't have people 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.520 to him. His people his office has been really great 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:21.760 and like coming down to Athens trying to like get 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.440 in touch with the people. But between the stock training 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.960 thing and the fact that asof didn't didn't I mean 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.599 if he didn't vote no, but he didn't vote for 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:34.039 Rama Manual for Ambassador of Japan. Those two alone in 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.920 them eyebrows. Let's be real, I got things for skinny 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.800 white boys. Um, I'm like, yeah, you know, he might 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:43.280 be my favorite of I'm waiting for the be a 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.560 live streaking him to come out and for him to 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:47.760 do something that's gonna disappoint. But I don't want to 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:49.800 be like a debbut downer on the ship, you know, 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.880 because it is a hopeful thing. But in all honestly, 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.360 I think cats like Warnock and us Off really are 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.120 the only chances that the Democrats have, Like the only 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.000 I think the only chance so that the Democrats have 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:06.800 going forward is some some senator or congress person that 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:11.040 is not like part of the pretty much they need 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:15.159 like another senter of Obama situation, where like somebody who's 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:19.359 quasi outsider is gonna come in and like just buck 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:23.160 all the establishment trends and stuff like that. And I mean, 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.880 I don't know if as Off and Warnock are those cats, 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:29.239 but I mean they seem like them. And Stacy Abraham 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:32.400 seemed kind of like, you know, Mike's not so sure, 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.800 Mike's not so short. Not not with Warnock. I never 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:39.479 got the book the trend h vibe from Warnock. I 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:43.240 got it from ass Off. Warnock just seemed like he's 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.200 trying to be like the cool guy next door that 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.360 wants to be a politician. And that's fine, that's fine. 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.840 He hasn't said anything that's really grossed me out or 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.680 anything like that, so I'm fine with him. But I 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:55.599 never got the vibe of I'm really gonna go in 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.040 here and shake it up. We'll speaking of shaking shut up. 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:01.880 So Mariah is joining us after you know, her committee 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:06.000 meeting like she always does, so before Mike came on, 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:08.760 you were hot when we were talking. You were hot, 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:16.520 and I remained hot. The temperature is quite so. Um, 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.920 these motherfucker's play was wrong, bitch. Firstly, that's the that's 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:23.320 just the summarine. We can move on. But no, so 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.320 as listeners of the show, remember I was leaping with 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.680 the police chief back in December about the drug war. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.200 Has some pretty spicy things to say about the racist 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:34.200 history of the drug war, and pulled actual receipts from 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.120 like historical documents about why they started the drug war 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:41.600 and you know it's modern day deleterious effects. So anyway, Um, 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.240 he's he's talking some shit about me, and so this 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:50.720 is my first opportunity the ship. He talked. Oh yeah, 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.840 he tried to say that like, um, I didn't care 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.960 about crime, like by name, call me out by name, 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.800 but I don't care about people getting shot and killed 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.840 out here, and called me an academic and like I 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:03.960 said that like pretty much said that science isn't real 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:05.720 because I was like bringing up all this public health 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:11.800 science about how to prevent crime and prevent like you 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:15.520 not do you not like read books? I don't. I'm 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:20.520 so confused right now. I know. It's like I only 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.200 want our kids you have right future and go to 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:29.119 college and then you go to college and the smart 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:34.199 who no exactly, And so it was very inflammatory, very 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.560 directedly directed directly at me. So I had my first 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:41.280 opportunity to be on a meeting with him this evening, 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:44.040 and so I was just like, hey, what's up Brown? Um, 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:45.200 I'm a lot of I'm just a lot of my 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.960 colleagues know that I have zero faith in his um 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:52.840 ability to respond professionally to reason critique, and um brought 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.240 in fact one of his homies fucking murdered a guy 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.480 in the park behind my house last summer, and like, 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.400 the same guy that got shot was on Facebook three 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.280 days before begging people to send him money on Vemo 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.840 because he was so desperate. A couple of days later, 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.120 he's out card jacking people and stuff get shot. So like, 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.000 if y'all really want to talk about public safety, like 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.959 y'all have fun talking about Oh, let's you know, band 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.400 chokeholds and like, oh used the fourth policies that none 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.080 of that ship would have saved this man's life. This 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.640 man needed mental health care. So like, y'all hit me 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:22.319 up when you're already to talk about some real ship. 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:27.800 And then I was I just pieced out. I mean, 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:29.880 I don't really care, like they could say whatever the 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.559 funk they want, frankly, because I'm right, I'm right, this 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.560 story's gonna know. I'm right this what's going on? Right man? 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.920 Like you know, every like you know at the time, 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:43.720 everyone tries to twist the civil rights movement to their 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.880 own agenda. But frankly, those people in that day, it 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:50.080 wasn't It wasn't like like eight percent of niggas was 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.760 not out there getting shot and like hit with hostes 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:56.040 and police dogs. There's like a little that wered and 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:58.720 everybody else thought they was fucking crazy and you know 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:02.000 what they was like it was out there. And then 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.280 an episode to like dive into that more because I 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.360 think that is the misconception that a lot of people have. 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.280 Even I had that misconception, so I've read into it more. 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:14.280 But it's like, not everybody it was a part of 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:20.079 the civil rights movie video, like it was the equivalent 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:24.640 of like the general population, at least for a good 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.640 chunk of the civil rights movement. The general population's reaction 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.120 to the civil rights movement was kind of akin to 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:35.640 how people react to like online activism on Twitter and stuff. 0:10:35.679 --> 0:10:37.040 You know what I mean, You're kind of like, oh, yeah, 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.240 they're making noises, but it's not really you know, it's 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:42.520 just it's not really like encompassing of the entire population 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:44.559 of people. It's kind of like this a small subsection 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.520 stuff like that. It was it's like, y'all, remember y'all 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.360 remember the episode of the Boondogs were like Granddad, he 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.880 was like, we got hosed down and pitting my dogs 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:55.800 for your rights. And then it did a flashback where 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:59.000 he like showed up to the protest arrange jacking on 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.880 and everybody was all beat up already and they were 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:06.400 like looking at him like the fun So it's it's that. 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.600 It's that. So yeah, I mean, it's it's good. It's fine. Um, 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.160 I'm gonna keep on raising hell. But there's been a 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.840 lot of holding, a lot of holding, um powerful as 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:19.120 you know, white supremacists to account of late Biden was 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:25.880 in Georgia today, um and um, so that was the 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.440 whole thing. He came down here to you know, talk 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:32.520 about voting rights and several large you know, voting rights 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:36.440 groups and progressive groups like New Georgia Project, Black Black 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:41.559 Voters Matter, UM Fair Fight, Like uh, Saty Abraham's organization. 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:45.000 We're like, don't come, don't come, don't come down here 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:46.920 and talk to us. Come go talk to John Manson. 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.319 We got should to say to us. Our senators support 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.240 voting rights. We support voting rights. I don't know what 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:55.720 you gotta come say to us, frankly, and then Stacy 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.719 Abraham's ended up pulling out. She didn't even show up, 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.760 and so oh yeah, she was like, oh I had 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:05.480 a schedulming conflict, like bitch who has Like I don't 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.280 know if anybody's like, if you want to be there 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:10.240 with the president, you will find a way and you 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:14.760 reschedule that hair appointment like whatever to be there. So 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:18.679 it was just kind of funny. I was about to 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:22.160 ask the same question. I'm curious. I mean, it's these 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.520 are the same people that like effectively got him elected 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:27.480 last year, you know, like who I was out here 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:30.920 registering voters in a pandemic, like you know, doing all 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:34.000 this voter education outreach and there, and he had and 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.760 he hadn't delivered on like the stuff people voted to get. 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:39.560 And so they're saying, like, you ain't gonna use us 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.520 as like a background prop to, like, you know, boost 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:46.400 your poll numbers. Like I literally, strategically, why are you here? 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.280 Go talk to Joe Manchin and christ the cinema Like, yeah, 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:51.959 I don't understand why you Like, this is a moment 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:55.800 for more flowery words. So that's what the beef was about. 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:00.319 And yeah, so that was a that's been a whole day. 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.880 Well down here, speaking of whole days, we've got a 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.920 pretty stacked episode and a lot of stuff to get through, 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.720 so I think we should get into it now. All right, 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.079 we're gonna take a little break and when we get back, 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.560 we are going to be talking about the Young Lords 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:21.040 and is it possible for modern day gangs street gangs 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.920 to organize and you know, to do more than what 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:25.880 they're doing. So we'll be back with that and after 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:40.400 after the jump. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we are back. 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:45.480 So Mariah tell us a bit about the Young Lords before. Yeah, so, um, 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:49.080 the Young Lords under the leadership of Jose MNEZ during 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.520 the nineteen six seventies up until the early eighties. You know, 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:56.360 they took inspiration from the Black Panthers and effectively turned 0:13:56.400 --> 0:14:00.920 themselves from street gang focused on turf battles like stealing cars. 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.840 They sold like three D fifty cars in like a 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:07.040 month span or something crazy just out here whiling out. 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.679 Decided um in the face of urban renewal in their 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.400 Lincoln Park neighborhood in Chicago, to turn their focus toward 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:19.280 community empowerment and particularly self determination for Puerto Ricans. They 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.160 were Puerto Rican street gang UM. From there they kind 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:23.920 of built out. You know, they had solidarity of black 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:27.200 people and colonized people all over the world. They engaged 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:31.320 their mass education and they canvas. They organized community programs 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.920 like community testing for TV and lead poisoning that like 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.960 the Black Panthers, they had a free breakfast program for kids. 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:40.000 And then what we're gonna talk about a lot in 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:43.800 this episode is they also staged occupations of government properties 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.000 and churches and engaged in direct confrontation with figures of 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.640 authority from the clergy to you know, public health officials 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.960 to obviously the police. So their platform demanded an immediate 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:58.600 withdrawal the US military forces and basis from Puerto Rico, Vietnam, 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.160 and all the press community is inside and outside the 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.760 U S. No Puerto Rican should serve in the U. 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.840 S Army against his brothers and sisters, for the only 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.920 true army of the oppressed peoples, the people's army to 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:14.560 fight all rulers. Their anti imperialist. Their anti imperialist stance 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.320 was similar to the ten point program of the Black Panthers, 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.880 who demanded no black person should serve in the military 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:25.760 as well. Now their full platform included one self determination 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:29.360 for Puerto Ricans, liberation on the islands and inside the 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:33.359 United States. UH. They wanted self determination for a Latinos 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.840 and liberation for all the Third world people. They wanted 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:40.880 community control for our institutions and lands. They also wanted 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:45.280 true education for the Creo culture and with freedom for 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:48.680 all political prisoners and equality for women, saying that Machismo 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:52.960 must be revolutionary, not oppressive, armed self defense and arms 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:58.200 struggle as means of liberation, and last a socialist society. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.320 So as the as the organization grew, you know, they 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.400 ended up being chapters all over the US and so 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.280 different or different like chapters of the party, not the party. 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:10.040 The organization ended up kind of tweaking on this and 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.960 you know, developing different aspects of the platform UM for 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.600 you know, for themselves. But you know it included resisted 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:21.880 of sexism, imperialism, capitalism, um, all the isms. So before 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.640 we go any further, so winner your thoughts on that. 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.120 I'm still I remained very curious whether or not this 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:32.520 UM model of organizing and taking existing structure of people 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:34.920 that are willing to do whatever to get shift for 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.480 their people, like it's replicable in the modern day because 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:40.280 I feel like a lot of conditions that were happening 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:44.560 in the nineteen sixties, this revolutionary spirit um or it's 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.800 just like you know, it's just a time that's gone 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:49.760 from us. I don't know what was magical was special 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.120 about that time that we just don't happen twenty twenty two. 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:54.840 But I mean, I think at least from the tactics 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:56.200 there's a lot to be learned from them. But what 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.840 do you think, like like knowing hip hop as you do, 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.720 and the way these things out here like God they said, 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:05.440 you know, they got they like areas they wrap, etcetera. 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:09.480 They have similar like structure in these little underground organizations. 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:11.760 Do you think something like this is possible in the 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:19.639 modern day? Um, I think it's definitely possible. Um. I 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.920 think that that I don't want to call it, see 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:28.080 I never I never really thought about Young Lords as 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:31.000 a gang, So I think that's so my brain is 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:36.520 kind of trying to wrap myself around that part. But yeah, 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.520 I think that. I think that with the gangs we 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.840 have today, which are completely different than the gangs even 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:44.639 when I was growing up, completely different. Um. Yeah, I 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:48.119 definitely think it's possible. I don't think it'll happen, unfortunately, 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.800 because it's gonna take someone that's gonna go out there 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:54.359 and actually do the work to get these groups together. 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:59.160 But I definitely think it's possible. I wonder as well, 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.239 if more people knew about this kind of history, if 0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:03.840 it would make it more possible. Like I'm like, you know, 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.760 I you don't have to reinvent the wheel like this 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.359 literally happened before. You ain't inventing anything new like this 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.399 has totally been done down to tactics like this is 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:16.520 how y'all could go about winning things for your people. Um, 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:19.679 Because we just have such shitty history education in this country, 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:22.399 you know, damn well, nobody learned about the young Lords 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:26.800 and fucking high school civics. D I think you're definitely 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:30.800 right in the sense that more education and knowledge about 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:35.199 stuff like that would help help the possibility of it. 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.760 I like Mike, I think it's possible. I just don't. 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.040 I don't know how likely I think it is, just 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:44.520 because you know, like Mike was saying, it's the differences 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.080 in what street gangs are now compared to what they 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.200 used to be. Um, you know, you've got a lot 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.240 of things that are working against it. There's a lot 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:56.800 more distraction now than there was back then. Um, social media, 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.639 Internet streaming, well, there's there's a lot of there's a 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.879 lot more comforts for to compete for people's attention to 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:07.080 get them onto that stuff. And then lastly, I think 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.840 the biggest obstacle towards something like that happening is like, 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.159 I mean, I'm not like a street gang expert or 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.560 anything like that, but I mean, for the most part, 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:22.320 like street gangs now are like capitalistic enterprises, you know 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:24.440 what I'm saying, Like they're trying to get money. There's 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:28.080 not like the whole the inception point is not like, oh, 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.679 this is for the block, or this is for the neighborhood, 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:32.240 or like you know what I mean, for some greater 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:36.280 purpose other than like a monetary, you know, profit driven one. 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:41.240 So you know what I think it is like when 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:45.160 you're talking about social media and all that, I think 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.960 it's a lot easier now for groups to just be like, oh, 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:50.320 someone else is gonna do this, because you can hop 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.119 on Twitter you'll see a whole bunch of other people 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.560 talking ship. So you're like, oh, well, I ain't gotta 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:58.800 worry about that because at some point user battle for 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.200 today is gonna can take care of this ship, so 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.720 I can go do whatever. Whereas when we were growing up, 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:05.360 I can say I'm not sure how old y'all are. 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.400 I know I'm older than both of y'all, Polly, But 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:09.679 when I was growing up, there was no Internet, so 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:11.520 it was basically like, oh, well, I don't know if 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:13.760 somebody else is gonna do this ship. I don't know 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:15.320 if somebody else is gonna go out here and make 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.800 sure that trash is getting picked up, so maybe me 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:19.760 and my friends should go out here and take care 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:21.960 of it. So I think that's like one of the 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.560 biggest things that's different. I mean the Internet can be 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:26.280 used in both ways because you can also use it 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:28.800 to organize. But I think a lot of people don't 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:30.679 want to admit that the Internet just made a lot 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:34.200 of motherfucker's lazy. Yeah, apathetic, Yeah, I mean I kind 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.040 of point to that, like, based on personal experience I 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:40.680 had recently. I know this cat, this local rapper um 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.320 that you know, he got like a mad following on 0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.720 my Instagram and ship, like you know ship and donts 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.439 of likes, and he posted on the story should currently 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:53.560 of like you know, guns and money and smoking blunts, etcetera. Um, 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:55.919 But after he recently had an attempt on his life. 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.159 I saw the video. You know, somebody came shooting at 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:00.920 him and he chased after them, shooting back and got 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:04.119 you know, an attempted murder charge on him. And in 0:21:04.160 --> 0:21:06.800 the aftermath, you know, he was speaking very openly about 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:10.879 like PTSD and wanted to help out the kids, and 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.080 like I had a and I actually I went and 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:15.320 spoke at his bond hearing for his trial, trying to 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:16.800 get him out of jail because I had worked with 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:19.639 him previously. He had like a water gun fight for 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.280 kids in his neighborhood. You know, who live in this 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:24.560 real run down part of town. He like was real 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.960 pivotal and getting the street renamed after this lady that 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:30.240 got shot and killed, like had already been using his 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:33.600 cloud for like these little acts of like goodness and 0:21:33.680 --> 0:21:36.280 kindness in the neighborhood, even if he's still ultimately like 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:40.200 very very you know, involved in the streets. And so 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:42.199 with the social media say all that because like, you know, 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:45.639 with a social media following like that, like they were 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:47.520 able to organize the kinds of things they were doing 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.520 in the sixties without any without like printed newspapers that 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:53.560 they delivered door to door. You know, if you've got 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:57.160 somebody that like uses social media early, definitely you can 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.400 organize a ton of people in a short period of time. 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:01.560 You know, last summer, I was pretty much just posting 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:03.840