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Speaker 1: You are listening waiting on reparations production of I Heart Radio?

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Speaker 1: What What's good happening? My name is Dope Knife Homa Franca,

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Speaker 1: And today we are joined by the legendary Oh Ship.

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Speaker 1: What's the name of the show. Yeah, reparations. We can't

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Speaker 1: we can't tell them about the guests before we get

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Speaker 1: to the show. Yeah, waiting on reparations. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: like you know, I would love reparations, but I will

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Speaker 1: also take having Mike Satown back on the show as

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Speaker 1: a consolation prize. Oh yeah, how are you? Who are you? Mike?

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Speaker 1: A lot of people give a ship that I'm very

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Speaker 1: excited to that. You know, we're happy that you're here. Alright,

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Speaker 1: We've got Mike seats out on the show with us.

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Speaker 1: Mike's with us. What are we gonna be talking about today?

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Speaker 1: We're at SO today. Oh, there's all kinds of stuff

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Speaker 1: to talking about. Biden was just in Atlanta today. I'll

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Speaker 1: be before with the police Go Dogs, and our main

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Speaker 1: topic of discussion, we're gonna be talking about out Um,

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Speaker 1: a gang in Chicago in the nineties that became a

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Speaker 1: civil and human rights organization, the Young Lords, and along

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Speaker 1: the way discussing the revolutionary potential of street games based

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Speaker 1: on the precedent that they were set by the Young

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Speaker 1: Lords back in the nineteen sixties, seventies, and eighties. Um,

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Speaker 1: but first, what is going on? I like, what is

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Speaker 1: going on? I was searching through the news today and

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Speaker 1: I came across that story about our homie that we

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Speaker 1: helped out the last years of making a little progressive

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Speaker 1: stand there. So Nancy Pelosi recently made some news by

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Speaker 1: defending members of Congress trading in stocks. It was a

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Speaker 1: pretty tone deaf thing. He explation was she doesn't know,

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Speaker 1: She like has never heard the tone. She was like,

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Speaker 1: it's doesn't know. I support the free market and like

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Speaker 1: I even like Fox, but you even have like Fox

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Speaker 1: News in like Republican good being, Like damn, I didn't

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Speaker 1: know we were just straight up support corruption like that.

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Speaker 1: So anywhere it's a it's a it's a multipartisan. Hair

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Speaker 1: has bucked the trend and has introduced the bill that

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Speaker 1: would make it illegal for UH sitting members of Congress

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Speaker 1: to trade in stocks. This is like an obvious snub

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Speaker 1: at Nancy Pelosi. What do you what do you think

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Speaker 1: this means? Mari? I mean, hopefully it means that they

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Speaker 1: actually been trading on stock. I just saw recently that

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Speaker 1: Ran Paul was like on some radio show talking about

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Speaker 1: have room dissevere is a great COVID treatment when he

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Speaker 1: owned stock. I mean, like they they're like naked about

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Speaker 1: it out here. They're not even trying to play you,

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Speaker 1: like they're not getting a rich off of our I

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Speaker 1: don't know where the name escapes me right now, but

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Speaker 1: who was the who did us off beat? Also beat?

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Speaker 1: You know, David Purdue? And I remember because there was

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Speaker 1: that debate where David Purdue just to and even show

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Speaker 1: up and assof was like yeah, smiling with his little

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Speaker 1: boyish chin and it's nice eyebrows and like gesturing to

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Speaker 1: this empty podium that David Perdue wasn't sand and David

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Speaker 1: Perdue and Kelly like zoom and like body bags ahead

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Speaker 1: of like the pandemic some steak and zoom and ship

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Speaker 1: while everybody was using it. And I mean also you

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Speaker 1: gotta remember that like all those congressional people knew how

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Speaker 1: bad COVID was gonna be and knew that it was coming.

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Speaker 1: So when you take all of that ship into consideration,

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Speaker 1: I mean we're just talking about straight up illegal activity

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Speaker 1: right here at this point, you will talk about some

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Speaker 1: gangs to ship. Yeah, today we're talking about oh street

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Speaker 1: gangs like making the world better. Can we crack down

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Speaker 1: on these corporate gangsters that like be you know, doing

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Speaker 1: these backroom deals to like profit off of human suffering

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Speaker 1: much akin to a drug dealer or you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what sex trash just legalized. The ship is

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Speaker 1: just legalized. What do you think, Mike, I didn't know

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Speaker 1: that you guys hilped so yeah, back in next last January, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Mack and I so, I like was a part of

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Speaker 1: this effort, this coalition of local politicians that like raised

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Speaker 1: like Tony Grand to pay all these people who go

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Speaker 1: out knocking on doors for him and war knocking. So

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Speaker 1: Mac and I went hit the streets, was out talking

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Speaker 1: to people about going out to vote, and and y'all, y'all,

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Speaker 1: y'all just slid some ship in. So wait so it

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Speaker 1: was aus off and uh war knock. Yeah, So y'all

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Speaker 1: were the motherfucker's responsible for me getting like five warnock flyers.

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Speaker 1: I didn't And I've said at city Hall for our

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Speaker 1: But I've man if if Warnock wasn't that I was

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Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, I'm already on your side, bro,

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Speaker 1: I don't need these flyers, Like couldn't like all these

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Speaker 1: and like coming down to Athens trying to like get

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Speaker 1: if he didn't vote no, but he didn't vote for

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Speaker 1: Rama Manual for Ambassador of Japan. Those two alone in

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Speaker 1: them eyebrows. Let's be real, I got things for skinny

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Speaker 1: white boys. Um, I'm like, yeah, you know, he might

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Speaker 1: do something that's gonna disappoint. But I don't want to

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Speaker 1: because it is a hopeful thing. But in all honestly,

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Speaker 1: I think cats like Warnock and us Off really are

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Speaker 1: the only chances that the Democrats have, Like the only

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Speaker 1: like another senter of Obama situation, where like somebody who's

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Speaker 1: I don't know if as Off and Warnock are those cats,

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Speaker 1: seemed kind of like, you know, Mike's not so sure,

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Speaker 1: Mike's not so short. Not not with Warnock. I never

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Speaker 1: He hasn't said anything that's really grossed me out or

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Speaker 1: here and shake it up. We'll speaking of shaking shut up.

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Speaker 1: So Mariah is joining us after you know, her committee

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Speaker 1: meeting like she always does, so before Mike came on,

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Speaker 1: you were hot when we were talking. You were hot,

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Speaker 1: and I remained hot. The temperature is quite so. Um,

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Speaker 1: these motherfucker's play was wrong, bitch. Firstly, that's the that's

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Speaker 1: just the summarine. We can move on. But no, so

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Speaker 1: as listeners of the show, remember I was leaping with

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Speaker 1: Has some pretty spicy things to say about the racist

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Speaker 1: history of the drug war, and pulled actual receipts from

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Speaker 1: and you know it's modern day deleterious effects. So anyway, Um,

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Speaker 1: he's he's talking some shit about me, and so this

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Speaker 1: is my first opportunity the ship. He talked. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: he tried to say that like, um, I didn't care

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Speaker 1: said that like pretty much said that science isn't real

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Speaker 1: because I was like bringing up all this public health

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Speaker 1: not do you not like read books? I don't. I'm

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Speaker 1: so confused right now. I know. It's like I only

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Speaker 1: directedly directed directly at me. So I had my first

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Speaker 1: in fact one of his homies fucking murdered a guy

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Speaker 1: if y'all really want to talk about public safety, like

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. It was it's like, y'all, remember y'all

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Speaker 1: was like, we got hosed down and pitting my dogs

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep on raising hell. But there's been a

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Speaker 1: you know, white supremacists to account of late Biden was

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Speaker 1: whole thing. He came down here to you know, talk

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Speaker 1: about voting rights and several large you know, voting rights

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Speaker 1: groups and progressive groups like New Georgia Project, Black Black

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Speaker 1: Voters Matter, UM Fair Fight, Like uh, Saty Abraham's organization.

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Speaker 1: We got should to say to us. Our senators support

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Speaker 1: So Mariah tell us a bit about the Young Lords before. Yeah, so, um,

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Speaker 1: Oh definitely, which is honestly another reason why like folks

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00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 1: like running drugs and ship might be a better position

428
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: to agitate for political change than somebody working two jobs. Seven,

429
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: Because like if you had. If you at work six

430
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 1: hours a week, you're not like showing up a city hall.

431
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: You're not like organizing a free breakfast program. But if

432
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 1: you're just sitting on stacks because like you just slipped

433
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: a like a quap today, Like you have a lot

434
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: of free time on your hands, so like, go do

435
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 1: some good, help, go help people. Um, not that like

436
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: I want people, you know, working in the black market economy,

437
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: but like that there is that, so turn around and

438
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: use it for good. You got a mad free time

439
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 1: on your hands. Man. So I don't know, I guess,

440
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: I mean it's not I think that. Um, it's not

441
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: that I hold anything against obviously I don't. I don't

442
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: hold anything against anybody for having to do what they

443
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: gotta do black market economy and stuff like that. It's

444
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: more so just like I don't think that, you know,

445
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that there should be like

446
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 1: an arbitrary expectation that like people's motivations, that everybody who's

447
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: in its motivation is like something that's altruistic and not

448
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: just like a personal thing, you know what I'm saying,

449
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 1: Like like, I yeah, and I don't think that. I

450
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: don't think everybody who's in the street gang by virtue

451
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: of by virtue of their criminal enterprise being something that's

452
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: not corporate or elite, meaning that but that's just that

453
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 1: it's good. Does that make sense? No, it doesn't. I

454
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: don't mean. It's just like I feel what we're saying

455
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 1: about it's not altruism, Like there is a certain self

456
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: serving aspect to it, right, that's what you're talking about,

457
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: So I think that, Yeah, sorry, that's exactly it. It's like,

458
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a there's a self serving aspect of it.

459
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: So it's just like what type of personality does that attract?

460
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: You know? Good point. Counterpoint is that they're in gangs

461
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: as well as like you know, we see in group

462
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: like the Black Panthers historically there's the strong sense of

463
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna make up and say is like collective

464
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 1: ego and that like people are like I will go

465
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: kill you if you shoot at my people, Like I'm

466
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: gonna get money for my people. Um, and you see

467
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: with like the Young Lords the Black Panthers are like,

468
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 1: we're wrapping for our people by any means necessary arm

469
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 1: struggle to fight off you know, any sort of like attacks.

470
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna defend our people against the government.

471
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: So that same sort of like like collective ego mindset

472
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 1: or like all right, I got my people and I'm

473
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: gonna defend them against anything can be leveraged to. Okay, well,

474
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: then let's get people housing, like rather than just retaliate

475
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: when some other sat shooting at y'all, Like, why don't

476
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: you direct that I are towards like the authorities that

477
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: are you know, y'all can't get no health care, y'all

478
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: can't get no food, y'all can't get no education if

479
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna if you're gonna just like in a very egotistic,

480
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: like self serving way, rep for your people no matter what.

481
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: So I feel like that's another way there's like a

482
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: pre existing underlying like condition on the ground that like

483
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: might be serving for trying to turn some of these

484
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: like you've seen trying to like you see Jacks, you know,

485
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 1: turn this into something positive. Okay, Like when I was so,

486
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm off I was six years old when I saw

487
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: New Jack City in the theater, Like Uncle took me

488
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: to see that ship. It's like I remember being a

489
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: little kid watching the scene where Nino Brown was handing

490
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: out the turkeys, and like there was no aspect of

491
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: that to have me feeling like, Okay, so Nino Brown

492
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: like a guy or like, oh he has a heart

493
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: of goals. Like no, I think it's still the bad

494
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: guy like that, Like him handing out the turkeys wasn't

495
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: because he was a good guy that cared about the neighborhood.

496
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: It was because he was trying to course people into

497
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: supporting them, you know what I'm saying. So it's like

498
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: it's like for for every for everybody who's caught up

499
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: in it, who is like a victim of circumstance. You know,

500
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: You've got some people who are in positions of leadership

501
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: in that world that you know, if you gave them

502
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: a different background, of different educationals, you know, like circumstances,

503
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: they would be the evil corporate boss that we hate,

504
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Just because their their ship

505
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: played out differently and they're heading up a street gang,

506
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: doesn't you know what I mean? I don't think that that,

507
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: like just that simple fact means that, Okay, like these

508
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: guys probably have a lot of the same sort of

509
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: sentiments that I do. I don't know, man, I think

510
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: that people that are in street gangs are probably if

511
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: you look at it, they're probably the easiest dudes to

512
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: flip into that mentality if you think about it, right, Like,

513
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about like some fucking street gang

514
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: in Marietta that's like se white kids that grow up

515
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: with money. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about

516
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: like real street gangs who grew up poor, who joined

517
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 1: street gangs because they don't really see a way out,

518
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: or they don't really see a viable way to get food,

519
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Um, Yeah, sure, there are,

520
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: of course those people that are just like, oh, I

521
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: just want to make a bunch of bread. But if

522
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: you're in a certain situation and you don't see a

523
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: way to feed your family, street gangs are a viable option. Right.

524
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: But if you can go to those people and say, Okay,

525
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: well you joined the street gang because you didn't see

526
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: a viable option, well there's a whole bunch of other

527
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: people that look at it the same exact way. They

528
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: don't have viable options either. And if all of you

529
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: guys get together and try to form something, you can

530
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: actually make a real change. I think that that is possible,

531
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: and I do think that those street gang dudes would

532
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: probably be pretty easy to flip that way. I think

533
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: that nobody's willing to take the chancel go talk to them,

534
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: either because they're scared or they think they're stupid, they

535
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: think they won't understand it. Do you think would be

536
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: needed to do something like that? Do you think it

537
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: needs to be like a rapper, a rapper, somebody yeah,

538
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: with like with like actual street credibility. Because another problem

539
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: you often see, or at least I see in my work,

540
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: is that like you often have like other community leaders,

541
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: leaders like moralizing to these folks why they need to

542
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: go get a job or or simply or simply just

543
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: put the guns down, which like is admirable, but like

544
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: if you have people, you know, like trying to come

545
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: kill you, like I, you know, I understand why you

546
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: stay strapped. I wish you didn't have to be, but

547
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: like this is where we're at, and so yeah, you

548
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: need somebody with street credibility. But to respond to Max's

549
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: other point, like I found him found that most political

550
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: actors are bad people to a certain degree. Like you

551
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: got you got Nancy Pelosi out here defendings, you know,

552
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: congress people trained stocks, got these Niggs on Wall Street,

553
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: like getting everybody's houses taken back by the banks. Like uh,

554
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: like there's always there's always some nefarious like either intention

555
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: or uh effects of like what a lot of people

556
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: in the political sphere are doing to a degree, um

557
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: and so like I guess I would rather have people

558
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: being most impacted by the factory of the folks at

559
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: the top trying to make things better than purely leaving

560
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: it to the folks that are or or who are

561
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: doing crimes or doing things that should be illegal but

562
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: aren't crimes because they make the laws, you know, get

563
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: away with all the ship they're doing. So either side,

564
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,239
Speaker 1: I mean, like, no matter what happens with like the

565
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: future of this country's gonna be decided by quote unquote

566
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: bad people. But which bad you gotta pick which bad people.

567
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: So folks out here was like grieving loved ones that

568
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: got shot in the drive by and like you know,

569
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: selling crack or whatever because they you know, dropped out

570
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: of high school. Like you know, maybe we should give

571
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: them a chance to help articulate what their community needs

572
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: so that we can disrupt some of the violence happening

573
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: out here. But anyway, let's go on, because We've been

574
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: talking about a lot about like can a gang today

575
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: do what the Young Lords did? But what do they do?

576
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: So UM, It's all got started during Mayor Daily. We

577
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: talked about Mayor Daily in the the greg Dick Gregory

578
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: episode because Um Dick Gregory ran against Mayor Daily one time.

579
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: But in Mayor Chicago, UM started out having all these

580
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: urban renewal projects, you know where they getting federal money

581
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: to tear down slums, etcetera and build like nice, shiny

582
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: new ship. So one of the projects resulted in Puerto

583
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: Ricans in Lincoln Park neighborhood and several Mexican communities getting

584
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: evicted UM from what became prime real estate areas you know, Loop, Lakefront,

585
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 1: old Town and Lakeview neighborhoods. Okay, So, so in response,

586
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: like UM, the members of the Young Lords straight up

587
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: ransacked and closed to the Department of Ubert Urban Renewal

588
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: office at Chicago, telling the neighborhood association that was in

589
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: favor of the gentrification that they would permit no further

590
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: meetings on urban renewal until people of color were included

591
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: on the board. But the implication I assuming that given

592
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: their access to weapons and willingness to the funk down

593
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: that they were willing to enforce this by violence if necessary.

594
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: So like y'all ain't doing no more urban renewal over

595
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: here until we are have a say in the political process,

596
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: like we're not playing. So that's kind of how they

597
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: got started, and like an approach they would often take

598
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: with confronting like figures of authority, um to get what

599
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: the people needed, you know. So the movement you know,

600
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: expanded from Chicago to include chapters and dirty different cities

601
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: including New York City, Philadelphia, when Connecticut, New Jersey, went

602
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: in Boston, Milwaukee, UM, and then a couple of in uh, California,

603
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: and then when in Puerto Rico as well, though the

604
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: Chicago branch um you know, as as the movement became national,

605
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: that remained their national headquarters UM. Around this time. So oh,

606
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: I asked, this is the part I meant to read earlier,

607
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: and then I read now, Yes, so, um, yeah, I mean,

608
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: like I've talked about urban renewal on the show and

609
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: referenced so there was an urban renewal project here in

610
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: Athens where a bunch of black families got kicked out

611
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: in their houses burned down. So they could build like

612
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: student norms. And so what's interesting to me learning this

613
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: aspect of the Young Lord's history is that, like with

614
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: Lennon Town here in Athens, they actually did have black

615
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: people on the board of the of the Urban Renewal

616
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: like committee or whatever that was like, oh yeah, that

617
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: ship's a slum. Tear that ship down. We don't get

618
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: fucked like they like the government hand pick pretty much

619
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: like you know, coons to to like sign off on,

620
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, tearing this neighborhood down and taking everybody out,

621
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: destroying all these families. So, I mean, I think it's

622
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: just I think I just think it's interesting that, like

623
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: the what was it gonna say, Like, I guess it

624
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: reinforces to me, at least my understanding of what happened

625
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: here that you know, black faces and high places doesn't

626
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: necessarily guarantee like political freedom for the people they are

627
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, purported to represent. I don't know how this

628
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: worked out for the Young Lords. I'm assuming not well

629
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: because our neighborhood got tore up anyway. But hey, they tried,

630
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: and they at least like we're forcible about it. They

631
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: weren't like, oh, well, you know, we'll try to show

632
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: up in the meetings and see what's out. They were like, no,

633
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: y'all are not y'all are not having any more meetings

634
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: until we're invited and we here are people in on

635
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: the conversation, which you know that last I don't want

636
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: to harp on the same thing. It's like that last

637
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: last thing that we read is like, who's gonna do

638
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: that now? Like I mean, or like which which rapper

639
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: is gonna is gonna like motivate cats to organize like

640
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: that now? Because like, because we we had what we

641
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: were doing when we were doing the we were doing

642
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: the year and episode last week might and I was,

643
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, we're getting a bunch of stories together to

644
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: recap of things that happened during the year. And one

645
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: of the angles that I wanted to take was, oh, man,

646
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: let me um just find a bunch of rappers commenting

647
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: on the last year and a half that we've had. Right.

648
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: I really couldn't find it, man, like like it I'm

649
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: dead serious, Like if you were to just take in

650
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: like and again, you know, people always get get on

651
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: me whenever I'm like harping on mainstream hip hop because

652
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: it's like I get it. There's way more hip hop

653
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: that exists in the world. I'm sure, m C whatever

654
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: the hell was like talking about all the stuff, you

655
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, But like the mainstream is important

656
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: because like it acts as a de fact of representation of,

657
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 1: you know, of what hip hop is to the world

658
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: at LART. That's a bigger reach if you were to

659
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: just go by mainstream hip hop. It's like, motherfucker's live

660
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: in a different world, yo, Like the country didn't just

661
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: go up through a pandemic, Like there's no leg weird,

662
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: fucked up political tension going on. It's like, you know,

663
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: it's like they're completely oblivious to it, at least on

664
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: a on the aspect that I think most people are

665
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: going to hear their thoughts, which is their music, you

666
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. If somebody's talking again, giving the

667
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: caveat that somebody's talking about something in an interview, somebody's

668
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: talking about something on a podcast, that's all cool. But

669
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm of the mindset that more people are gonna

670
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: hear you cover an issue in your music. If you're

671
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: a rapper musician, more people are gonna hear you address

672
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: that ship by your music than any other form of

673
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: doing it. So it's just like just going by that,

674
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: and I understand you can take it with a grain

675
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: of salt, but just going by that, there seems to

676
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: be a lack of interest in hip hop for some

677
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: of these issues that it seems like an extremely daunting

678
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: task to find a figure or figures that could you know,

679
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: galvanized youth to doing something like the Young Lords are doing.

680
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I think one thing, Mikey, you want to

681
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: say something, I'll go after. I mean, I think one

682
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: thing today that my be a barrier to like this

683
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 1: kind of organizing is that like the ways they fuck

684
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: you are a lot more like creeping rather than blunt

685
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: and just like immediate. So like urban renewal, they were like, hey,

686
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: we're I tear down your entire neighborhood, and so of

687
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: course niches like, but no, don't do that. But like

688
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: now it's like, oh, the property taxes just go up

689
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: and up and every year, and then some guy shows

690
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: up at your house, and then your neighbor's house and

691
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: your auntie's house, like oh, we'll pay a hundred dollars

692
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: for your house in cash on the spot, and then

693
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: gradually the neighborhood just gets whiter, and then the white

694
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: people start calling the cops and then like you'll on

695
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: your house party and then all y'all in jail as

696
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: opposed to just like blatant we kicking all your things out.

697
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: So it's hard to keep up with. It's hard to

698
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: figure out where to like you know, stick stick a pin,

699
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: and like this is what we're fighting for, even thinking

700
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: about the pandemic, Like what should we even ask for?

701
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: Right now? Things are so bleak and terrible, but like

702
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: do we ask for like free rapid tests at home?

703
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: Do we ask for a nast and then shot down?

704
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: Like what do we even do? Because it's not as

705
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: cut and dry. It's just like we want to end

706
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: more in Vietnam or something. So you're you're definitely right. Yeah,

707
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: I was just gonna gonna touch on the And of

708
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: course we don't have to stay on this because we

709
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: could probably do a whole show on mainstream rappers not

710
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: giving a funk about certain things. But I mean, at

711
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: this point, me being you know, a forty plus year

712
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: old guy, I don't I don't look to mainstream rappers

713
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: anymore to do ship just because I understand how it goes.

714
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: You know, these dudes might have grown up in far

715
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: worse conditions than I did, but once they get to

716
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: that money level, all of that ship gets forgotten and

717
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: it sucks. It totally sucks. But I see it happening constantly.

718
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm not looking for a little baby

719
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: or you know why being Cordain, and that's nothing against

720
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: them at all, but I'm not looking to those dudes

721
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: to actually do ship anymore. I'm not surprised you couldn't

722
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: find mainstream rappers talking about these conditions because to a

723
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: lot of them, these conditions don't exist because it doesn't

724
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: affect them. You know, like when when Wayne said, yeah,

725
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: black lives matter, it's not anything I have to worry about.

726
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: Black lives matter, Yeah it matters to my fature something

727
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: stupid like that. He said, you know, um, same thing

728
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: with Asap Rocky. And this is nothing against these guys

729
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: because I like both artists. But you know, they didn't

730
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: connect to these movements because it had nothing to do

731
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: with them in their brains at that moment. You know,

732
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: they're rich, they have basically fucking financed out of being

733
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, and good for good for them. I wish

734
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: I could do I wish I could do that sometimes,

735
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: but you know, I think if you're looking for mainstream

736
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: rappers right now to be the figureheads, it's it's not

737
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: gonna happen. And then that's what suck, because I mean exactly,

738
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: just to clarify, it's like it's less of an expectation

739
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: for me and more so just like an observation, you

740
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It's like, it's like it that's all.

741
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: I mean. It's just like, damn, the the climate is

742
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: just right for that sort of thing that if somebody

743
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: were to take that mantel seriously, they could probably do

744
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: some damage out there, you know what I'm saying. It's like,

745
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: but who Who's going to be that cat to do it? Though? Well,

746
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: I would say I would say, that's why you need

747
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: these local ask rappers that are like medium famous, like

748
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: the famous in their neighborhood and like in the city,

749
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: but like they're not They're not on a level of

750
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: money where they don't give a funk about anymore, but

751
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: they have financed themselves. I think there has to be

752
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: like a resignation to that fact though, because if if

753
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: the if the motivation though is eventually like like a

754
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm local now, but eventually I want to be like

755
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: a superstar, then I think that will affect their decision

756
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: making in that end too. But if somebody was like, yo,

757
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like, I'm the king of my neighborhood and

758
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like ride from my neighborhood, whether it's like

759
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: musically or you know, organization wise, then then I think

760
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: you're working with something. But if somebody's got stardom in

761
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: their eyes, like Mike was saying, it's like everybody's you know,

762
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: I really like that that phrase. Everybody's trying to finance

763
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: themselves out of nigodot to us. So yeah, yeah, I

764
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: love it. If Young Thug one day just woke up

765
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: and was like, yeah, I'm gonna be a revolutionary in

766
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: a different way. He's already revolutions, remember, But if he's

767
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: just like you don't remember the video, Oh, I forget

768
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: the name of the song, but h During the Ferguson

769
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: protests and stuff, Young Thug came out with a video

770
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: that like the video was him and a bunch of

771
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: people like marching in the streets like Ferguson style, and

772
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: like all all of the press, like all of the uh,

773
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: you know the I think at the time, up Rocks

774
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: are still ship, Like you know, all all of the

775
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: blogs that were posting it up, we're like, check out

776
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: Young Thugs new political video, Young Thug touching Politics. So

777
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: I listened to the song and it's it's pupil marching

778
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: like Young Dug definitely is dressed like a black panther marching.

779
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: But the song is like I beat that push up,

780
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like the song had nothing

781
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: to do with the imagery that you're seeing. So like, see,

782
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: I feel like, well, we need the opposet, we need

783
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: the video where everybody's got the aks and ski masks

784
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: and they're like dancing on dancing on the car and

785
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: everybody's working in the lyrics like yeah, let's get the

786
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: bakers and hang them in the square. I don't actually,

787
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: it's like I don't think that attitude exists, like at

788
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: that level of hip hop, that attitude of like yo,

789
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: we gotta get the bankers. It's like I don't think

790
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: there's you know, I don't think you know, I don't

791
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: think that attitude is coming for like a hundred years,

792
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: like I think, and that's that's what. Yeah. So when

793
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: I was saying earlier than the nineties ses are over

794
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: and just never coming back. I think what's missing now

795
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: that they had then was like widespread revolutionary consciousness, like

796
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: just in like in the streets, there was all kind

797
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: of protest movements, and it was really easy to like

798
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: just you know, by the by the wayside whatever, developed

799
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: like a sophisticated political analysis of what's wrong and what

800
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: you need to do to get it right. Like we

801
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: just don't have that nowadays. So it's like people want

802
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: to help little baby, you know, trying to help different

803
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: people speaking out, you know j Cole with his song

804
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: last Summer, you know, just expressing his self consciousness about

805
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: knowing not knowing what to do in the movement, Like

806
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: it's just because niggas don't know, because like there's just

807
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: not a spirit in the air of like of just

808
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: you know, revolutionary ideas empowering people to take action to

809
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: make their lives better and believing as possible. So that's

810
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: why peoples out here being done. We need a whole

811
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: bunch of like, we need a whole bunch of dudes

812
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: to make more albums like RBG, which is my favorite

813
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: Dead Press album. Unfortunately, they kind of disappeared after that album.

814
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I always wondered what the hell happened. I

815
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: ran into uh into into stick Man and Whole Foods.

816
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask him, like I was. I was

817
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: star struck, so I couldn't get that far. But I

818
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:23,959
Speaker 1: wanted to be like grou But like when you're talking

819
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: about that young thug ship where you know he's marching

820
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: the streets, but the music is beat etera. It's like

821
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: when you listen to RBG, whereas they're making this almost

822
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: party music, but it's talking about ship. Like that's the

823
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: one that had let's go steal credit cards for the

824
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, for the revolutions. That's the one that had

825
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: hell yeah, yeah, okay, yeah absolutely right, yeah yeah, hell yeah,

826
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: hell yeah. It was a b et uncut video. Yeah,

827
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: scattered scattered Acid Booty all in the video, and the

828
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: song is about revolution. The song is completely about The

829
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: song is about stealing credit card and acting like you're

830
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: this white dude, but you're gonna use the money to

831
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: fund the revolution. Like this is what I'm talking about.

832
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm serious with the videos like big big booty porn

833
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: stars in the trap house are happening about that. Yeah,

834
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: that's what we need, you know, And and here we

835
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: are to go on, get back into the Young Lords.

836
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: Please nobody get in my comments about like, oh, but

837
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: you know they're young. They're young, you know, because people

838
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: use that young younger killed exactly like that we're talking

839
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: about that, we're making a comparison to these motherfucker's were

840
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: way younger than the people that were that we're talking

841
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: none of these none of these cats affording none of

842
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: these cats happening again when he died. When he died,

843
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: so that means that all the ship, all the ship

844
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: that Fred Hampton was known for, like that the ship

845
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: that Fred Hampton did that made it a big deal

846
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: when he died and made it, like everyone feel like

847
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: a huge sense of loss that motherfucker was doing when

848
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: he was Like come on now, listen, let's stop with that.

849
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, let's move on and talk a little bit

850
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: more about what the Young Lords actually went out here

851
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: and did. So one of their fame most famed tactics

852
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: is that they undertook a series of occupations to get

853
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: their demands met and the use spaces for their program. So,

854
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: for example, the Young Lords of Chicago stage and occupation

855
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: of the Armadage Avenue United Methodist Church and set up

856
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: programs including community medals and classes and what inside what

857
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: they were calling the People's Church. This is back in

858
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: May nine. United Methodist pastor Reverend Bruce Johnson UM of

859
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: the Northside Cooperative Ministry worked with them to obtain funds

860
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: to support their programs. Actually so they had the support

861
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: of some of the clergy, and the building actually remained

862
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: a church but also served as the Young Lords national

863
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: headquarters for nearly two years. UM. In New York, they're

864
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: up there, all of suit and took over the first

865
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: Spanish United Methodist Church in East Harlem the demand that

866
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: the church get more involved in programs for the poor

867
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: UM and over a hundred members were arrested in their

868
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: two weeks takeover. UM, you know, but thankfully, like blood

869
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: shad was avoided. But in both cities many clergies sided

870
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 1: with the Young Lords. UM. Reverend David York, who worked

871
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: in the New York office, had been saying, if Jesus

872
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: were alive today, he would be a Young Lord. So

873
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: my question for y'all is, you know, we've been talking

874
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: a lot about whether something like this is possible today,

875
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: but this extends as well to the possibility of an

876
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: alliance between the clergy and gangs like that, that to

877
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: me seems like like no, like but what do y'all

878
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: think is that even? Is that you? Or yeah? I

879
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: like to yeah, like now like they these days, they

880
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: make they make everything, make a dirty money just like

881
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: everybody else. So yeah, but like you know, you church

882
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 1: programs out here giving out food, doing community meals, trying

883
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: to get kids, you know, backpacks and clothes for school.

884
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: Like do you think that if they saw all like

885
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: the Bloods out here doing the same thing, and the

886
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: Bloods rolled up and was like, yeo, we're trying to

887
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: use your church basement to like do free breakfaits for

888
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: kids three days a week with you. I mean, I

889
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: don't want to generalize because like there's many different kinds

890
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: of like theology out there, but like, could you first

891
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: see something like that even being possible? Yeah, yeah, I

892
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: mean if they if they were doing it, yeah, I

893
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: think so, if they were doing it, like you know,

894
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: and I mean even just to be fair, like I'm

895
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: pretty sure you know we you know, if we really

896
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: sat down and look, we could probably fill up a

897
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: sheet full of examples of bloods and crips and you know,

898
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: street gangs actually doing positive stuff in their community and

899
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: getting the support of the community. You know, it might

900
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: be on like a real, real localized level, localized scale

901
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but I'm sure we could find that.

902
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of like, what do you do

903
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: to amplify that or what do you do to expand that?

904
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: That's the that's the question. Yeah, I don't know. Man,

905
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: speaking specifically about the church. Um, them occupying the church

906
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: was probably one of my favorite things that the Young

907
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: Lords did, and when they were just like yes, because

908
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: this church was doing nothing for the community, so we

909
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: took it over and now we have medical training and

910
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: free breakfast like that was the dopest ship to me today.

911
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: Could I see that happening? No, I think Pastor would

912
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: call the cops so fucking quick, it wouldn't even be funny.

913
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: I think that most churches, and of course I don't

914
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: want to say all, but most churches, I think they

915
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: would even sit down and have a conversation with these guys.

916
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: And that's that's the biggest problem, because if we really

917
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: are talking about Jesus and all this ship, yeah, Jesus

918
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: would hang out with the young lords. But you know,

919
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: Pastor Fowler ain't hanging out with the young lords, you

920
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, that he's not gonna have anything

921
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: to do with that. I guess I should have made

922
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: clear that oftentimes these relationships between the clergy and the

923
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: young lords were coerced, so like they would come occupy

924
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: your church, and after a while the clergy would be like,

925
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: you know what, they're not so bad, and like then

926
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: start to roll with them and like support them and

927
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: help them. But like it wasn't always just like they

928
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: showed up and like nailed the doors of the church

929
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: shot and the pastor was like sick, you know, Like

930
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: all the times it was like a forest relationship that

931
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: ultimately like evolved into an amicable one. I mean that's

932
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: what That's what the young you know, putting that initial

933
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: pressure on them, you know what I'm saying, Like you

934
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: can't avoid us because we're we're in your home. You

935
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: gotta deal with They were doing things that the churches

936
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: were supposed to be doing themselves, Like why are you

937
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: here if it's not to serve the community, you know

938
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like like it's funny, like real quick,

939
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: when um one of the biggest arguments I ever got

940
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: into when my band was on tour, when we played

941
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: in the place in South Carolina and we were driving

942
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: through the neighborhood and I noticed like every single house

943
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: was just fucking dilapidated. It was just a wreck. They

944
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: had one church in the neighborhood, and I swear you

945
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: should have seen this ship. It looked like it was

946
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: just like an amazing, beautiful mansion of a place. And

947
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: when we played, I said something about that. I was like,

948
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: I was like, the people that live in this community,

949
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: do you guys not find it geared that you are

950
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: living in squalor? But the one, the one building in

951
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 1: the neighborhood that is actually clean and pristine is the church.

952
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: And I was like, is are the people from the

953
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: church actually coming to your neighborhoods and trying to help

954
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: you keep your neighborhood clean? Or is only the neighborhood

955
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: serving the church? Was like, that's fucking weird. And man,

956
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: I got eight the funk up, bro, Like these dudes

957
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: they were not having it. They were just like flipping.

958
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't understand what I'm saying. That's

959
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: so crazy. And I look at the same type of ship. Today,

960
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: I'll drive through these neighborhoods and I'm just like, damn,

961
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: this is crazy. But the church just looks like everyone

962
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: is doing their part to make sure that it's clean.

963
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: But I guarantee you pastor don't give a fuck about

964
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: the neighborhood around that church. Well, this is one thing

965
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: that's challenged, you know, my faith throughout my adulthood, particularly

966
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, after like two thousand and eighteen, when like

967
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: my aunt got killed, and like we would go to

968
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: church and they'd be like, well, it's a part of it,

969
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: it's part of the plan, and I was like, fuck, no,

970
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: this is a policy failure, like you know what. And

971
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: so like I've heard oftentimes by folks that you know,

972
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: compare the militancy of religious figures in like the Civil

973
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: Rights era versus today when folks have sort of fallen

974
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: back on like, you know, being good in this life.

975
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: But just like chill good because like heaven awaits on

976
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: the other side, so all the injustices you face, like

977
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: you will be your washed clean of you when you die,

978
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: versus like you don't. We don't have to be living

979
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: like this now, like you know, to live a good

980
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: life in service of the people, and the Lord is

981
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: to like get out and fight for something better. You

982
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: ain't gonna wait till you get to heaven. And so

983
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: I feel like that is that is like h an

984
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: extension of that mindset you're talking about, or perhaps the

985
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:57,959
Speaker 1: basis of it of people are just like it's cool.

986
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna like be nice to everyone, to like

987
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: go to Evan and it's like that is that's required.

988
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: That's really that's all you got. But I mean, people,

989
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: it's people paid a heavy price for fucking with the

990
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 1: Young Lords. Um, David, I think you mentioned him earlier?

991
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:22,439
Speaker 1: What's his name? And keep getting lost? Okay wait, okay,

992
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: so so no, no, no, that nigga. What's his name?

993
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: David York? No different guy? Sorry. September twenty nine, Reverend

994
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: Bruce and his wife Eugenia Ramsey or Johnson that we're

995
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: funking with the Young Lords helping them out. Oh yeah,

996
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: it was a guy to help fundraise for them, a

997
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: think at the People's Church and Armadig Avenue. Yeah. For

998
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: that guy and his wife got dads of death in

999
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: their home and the case has never been solved. I mean,

1000
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: what did they think that there was the reason. We mean,

1001
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: what do you think the reason why they got co

1002
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,959
Speaker 1: intel pros? I mean you think like a daid, Oh yeah,

1003
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: somebody you know, I never heard about that. They weren't

1004
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: even the only ones. There's another guy that got transferred

1005
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles from I guess maybe either the New

1006
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: York or the Chicago office he was working with then

1007
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: also got killed, like killed as well, And that's also

1008
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: a cold case. They never found out who did it.

1009
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: I mean that goes into what you were saying earlier

1010
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: about like the acts against them being a lot more

1011
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: blatant than it is now than the creep that's happening now.

1012
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: So it's like if they're dudes, like obviously you know

1013
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: you've got the coin to the coin tel pro. But

1014
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: I mean if it's getting down in the straight up

1015
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: assassinations and ship, you know, it's like it doesn't get

1016
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: any more hand fisted than that ship. Yeah, And I

1017
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: mean that's another reason why I feel like gangs might

1018
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: be a site for like this kind of revolutionary activity

1019
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: because you think it's already out here ready, But okay,

1020
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: they out here shoot at each other like all this

1021
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: crazy ship like you know how talking about spot. It's like,

1022
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: this is something that has happened before. If y'all really

1023
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: bound that life, you're trying to put it all over

1024
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: the line for something, but something good. This question is like,

1025
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: how about that life? Are they though? And we've we're

1026
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: talking about this before, and we talked about it with

1027
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: Mike c Town and Ship, but like, you know, the

1028
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: lack of pushback within from just like the I guess,

1029
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: the the urban community at large against like some of

1030
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: these very direct like physical threats from like right wing

1031
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: groups and right wing gangs themselves. We just did the

1032
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: episode last week where we were talking about um uh,

1033
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: you know Patriot Front and stuff like that. You know,

1034
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: the Patriot Front, the Nazi group that marched in Washington

1035
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. You know, they're suspected of

1036
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: like having an organized campaign to spread COVID during the

1037
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: through black communities during the pandemic like that, like they

1038
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: found from their like their their internal documents and chatter

1039
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: and Ship like that, like that was something that they

1040
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 1: were doing, like organizing to do, was to go into Chicago,

1041
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: go to New Orleans and like a truly actively like

1042
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: spread And I'm not like talking about Ship like like

1043
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: some of these dudes who are involved with this ship

1044
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: have Twitter accounts in YouTube channels that get more views

1045
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: and more likes than a lot of rappers. We might

1046
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: talk about you know what I'm saying, and it's like

1047
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: and and my thing is, it's like, like, the reason

1048
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: that makes it difficult for me to imagine some of

1049
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: this organization that the Young Lords are doing. The reason

1050
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to imagine it now is because,

1051
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: like you said, on just the base level of what

1052
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: you guys are already doing, which is beefing with each

1053
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: other and ready for war and ready to fight and

1054
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: ship like that, it's like that ship is not a threat.

1055
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: They're they're not doing that ship in a way that's

1056
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: a threat to anybody but their own community, because they're

1057
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: not like, hey, we're beefing with Nick Fuentez in these

1058
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: fucking neo Nazis that are you know what I mean?

1059
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: Like like I'm not hearing any any I'm not seeing

1060
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: anybody make any videos where they're shirtless waving the a

1061
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: K around like funk these Nazi niggers. I'm get you, motherfucker,

1062
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But you'll see that against

1063
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: like other rappers and other people that got beef WITHO

1064
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: on Instagram and ship like that. So it's like, I

1065
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 1: don't think the motivation to push back against some of

1066
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: these external forces is there on even like a basic

1067
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: physical front, let alone to get it to be into

1068
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: like some intellectual Hey, we've got to organize and do this,

1069
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean. All I'm saying is

1070
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: these cats are already living an imminent threat of incarceration

1071
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: every day, of going to jail every single day for

1072
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: the ship they're doing, of dying every single day for

1073
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: the ship they're doing. So I agree that like the again,

1074
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: the political analysis of like who the enemy is isn't there.

1075
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: But like if you're already a living on the margins,

1076
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: like gonna get picked up at the cops any day now,

1077
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 1: like like why not engage in civil disobedience, like your

1078
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: life is just at risk? I don't know, but I

1079
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: agree it's not there. It's not there right now, at

1080
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: least from you know, we don't know about it. I

1081
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: think that these guys are are are typically think thinking

1082
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: about tomorrow and the next day and maybe next week,

1083
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: so they're not thinking as far as you know, white

1084
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: supremacy they're thinking about, like, yo, I gotta I gotta

1085
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: feed my family tomorrow or I might get shot on Thursday.

1086
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: So I mean, I don't I don't know how feasible

1087
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: it is for these guys to just one day wake

1088
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: up and be like, all right, yeah, let's go funk

1089
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 1: with Adam Woffin. Like they're not gonna think that way.

1090
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: But it would take someone having to go in there

1091
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: and really sit down with these dudes and and get

1092
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: them to understand, like, these problems that you're having in

1093
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: your neighborhood are because there are bigger problems outside of

1094
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: your neighborhood that are affecting your neighborhood. But who's gonna

1095
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: take the time to do that? And I love you

1096
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: for I'm just playing maybe, but I mean I hear you.

1097
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get I don't. I don't think

1098
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: you're wrong. I don't disagree with you. Um yeah, I mean,

1099
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: it's it's like I everything you said is right. It's

1100
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: just it's just like it's it's beef though, you know,

1101
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just that I think that's probably

1102
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: the biggest, like one of the biggest like surprise developments

1103
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: to the social media age for me is like who

1104
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: people choose to respond to and stuff like that, Because

1105
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: on one hand, you're right, like a lot of these

1106
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: guys are thinking about living tomorrow and they're not thinking

1107
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: about these giant, big galaxy brain ideas and ship like that.

1108
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like, you know, if

1109
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: somebody leaves the wrong comment on somebody's Instagram, you know

1110
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: what I mean, it's like motherfucker's can work out the

1111
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: time and to to respond and blah blah blah. So

1112
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: for me, it's just it's weird because it's not even

1113
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 1: about thinking about concepts of like white supremacy or not,

1114
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,439
Speaker 1: Like this is no different than damn how come more

1115
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: more caps aren't Like how come more cast didn't reference

1116
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: George Zimmerman, you know, like like why isn't he more

1117
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: of like a figure that's like reference that people hate.

1118
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: Like again, going back to the episode where we're talking

1119
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: about like rapperence lines and maybe I'm harping too much

1120
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: on rap with this, do you guys think so it's

1121
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't think you're harping too much on wrap. I

1122
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: just think that, um, I think we're making it sound

1123
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: like it's a easier easier to do. I think that

1124
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: that these guys are are really only worried about what's

1125
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: directly affecting their neighborhoods, and a lot of them either

1126
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: don't have the time or don't have the resources to

1127
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: go and learn about how these other things are actually

1128
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: factually affecting their neighborhoods. So when you say, like, oh, well,

1129
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: why aren't they you know, talking about this group and

1130
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: that group, because that group is not directly in their

1131
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: neighborhood saying I'm gonna kill you. You know, white supremacist

1132
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: groups are not going to march into these areas and

1133
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: talk ship. They're just not. So these street gangs are

1134
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: not worried about them right now. They're worried about the

1135
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: next street gang that's gonna cause problems. I guess what

1136
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying is I think that from a strategic level,

1137
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: they probably should be worried about those those like because,

1138
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: you know, because that's that's I guess That's what I'm

1139
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: saying at the end of the time, is like they

1140
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: should probably look at them like their street gangs and

1141
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: beef with them accordingly. But again, I'm not advocating anybody

1142
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: beefing with each other and blah blah blah, like there

1143
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 1: should be real Huh, why not? Because when those consequences

1144
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: that come with that, And I'm not I'm not gonna

1145
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: sit here and tell somebody else that they should go

1146
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: get into some ship and face some consequences that I'm

1147
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,479
Speaker 1: not that you're not going to. So I'm not saying

1148
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: here like, yeah, man, I'm about to go do a

1149
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: drive by on some Nazis. So how come y'all aren't

1150
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: doing it like that. I'm not here advocating for that

1151
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: sort of ship. It's just it seems like a mission

1152
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: to me. It just does. Here's the other reason why

1153
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: I think it's hard for people to even imagine is

1154
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 1: that because you don't learn about history of groups like this,

1155
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: people don't realize you can actually win something more than

1156
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: like a meal on the table tomorrow. So like the

1157
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: Young Lords, they did an occupation um at McCormick Theological

1158
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: Seminary Um that one resident sixty six d fifty thousand

1159
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: dollars for low income housing. Like people can't even imagine

1160
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: like actually being able to achieve something like that. They

1161
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: uh for for four months um they camped out on

1162
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: what they called the People's Park took it over um

1163
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: this this spot over at halstet and Army Didge Avenue, UM,

1164
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: and they prevented the construction of fucking for profit tennis

1165
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: courts on land that was used for low income housing.

1166
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: So like, I feel like if people knew that you

1167
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: could actually win things if you fought, like they'd be

1168
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: more willing to try. But like they purposefully don't really

1169
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: teach you about this kind of history because they don't

1170
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 1: want you to know that you can win stuff. So yeah,

1171
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean I agree though that that that like somebody,

1172
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,880
Speaker 1: it's like some sort of education needs to take place

1173
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: if anything like this is even remotely possible. But um program,

1174
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: Like I mean, like what type of education do you

1175
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: think could be implemented to? I mean, they had all

1176
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 1: kinds of classes. I'm not sure what the content was,

1177
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: but I imagine it had to do with political analysis

1178
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: and organizing. Like yeah, so like the Black Panthers I

1179
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: know a little bit more about than the Young Lords,

1180
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: but like they would they had their newspapers, so they

1181
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 1: had like articles in there about various you know, organizing

1182
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: projects of their's and and reasons why everything is so fucked,

1183
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, like explaining the relationship with the government, capital

1184
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: into imperialism, etcetera. To like help people understand why things

1185
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: were they were the way they were. Um. They also

1186
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, just give out books books to people and

1187
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: people just you know, have have reading clubs where people

1188
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 1: just discussed books and things like that. I mean, I

1189
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: don't really have the answer, but um, I believe it's possible.

1190
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean, think about for example, the uprising last summer,

1191
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: so many people were just learning from like Instagram, like Instagram,

1192
01:03:55,720 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 1: intrographics and ship like using social media to create material reels,

1193
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: you know, go on live on Instagram talking to people

1194
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: about issues some um as a new way to engage

1195
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: in that kind of nass political education. I think good

1196
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:14,959
Speaker 1: things around but but um so, then the Young Lords

1197
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: and New York and Chicago continue to grow and influence

1198
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: and numbers until about NKA three and they joined up

1199
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: with joint forces with Fred Hampton as y'all know, and

1200
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: the Young Patriots Organization, which interestingly was a white working

1201
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: class group that had once used the Confederate flag as

1202
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: their symbol, but came together with the Young Lords and

1203
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: the Black Panthers under the Rainbow Coalition to fight poverty

1204
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: and discrimination. Together but the powers that be certainly didn't

1205
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: like that, because two months later, Fred Hampton got killed

1206
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: in the infamous FBI raid, which I swear to God.

1207
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: Another thing they don't teach you about history is that

1208
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: whenever there's like a multi racial movement for change of

1209
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: working class people, that's when they start killing people that

1210
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: like Martin Luther King Jr. Coming up on his you know,

1211
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: his day on the seventeenth, Like they killed him when

1212
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: he was starting to organize white and black people together. Uh.

1213
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: All you know, although the whole multiracial working class to

1214
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 1: demand like economic freedom, fucking rainbow coll whch she comes together, Boom,

1215
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: Suddenly Fred Hampton is dead. Like there's nothing that like

1216
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: the powers that be fear more than people putting aside

1217
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: like racial differences or whatever to like fight for ship.

1218
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: Like even if you look at you know, the history

1219
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: of I guess you could say, like, um, you know,

1220
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: let's let's take unions for example, Like, um, when they

1221
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: started to have better labor protections, Um, I think it

1222
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: was in the New Deal era they specifically excluded like

1223
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: domestic workers and farm workers that were disproportionately black. Because

1224
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: if everybody got the same stuff, if the white and

1225
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: the black people got the same stuff. The white working

1226
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: class would like flip out, but they needed to keep

1227
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: us divided and conquered, etcetera. Cut this out. This was

1228
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: a bad example. But um but I'm telling you, whenever, whenever,

1229
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: it really isn't they gotta keep us fighting each other,

1230
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, in order, because that then that then it's

1231
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: a real threat. We have people coming together cost color lines. Well,

1232
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: the one point I wanted to make about that, and

1233
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: it might be kind of off topics, so we might

1234
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: cut it out. But like I see a lot of

1235
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: people like now, like a lot of leftists and ship

1236
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: now who make that point. But it's like, I don't

1237
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: think like the like the Black Panthers and fred Hamton

1238
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: in them, like they were making these like multiracial coalitions

1239
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: and stuff like that and putting aside racial differences. But

1240
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: it's not like the Black Panthers were like actively trying

1241
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: to go like work with white people who hated black people.

1242
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: I mean, the Confederate flag was their symbol, but they

1243
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: themselves were not like a white supremacist group. It wasn't

1244
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: like a white supremacist group was like, oh, you know what,

1245
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: let's work with the Black Panthers. Now, I mean they

1246
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 1: didn't funk with black people. I'm asking like they were

1247
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: like actively like we hate, we don't like black people,

1248
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: but we're gonna work with what would you call an

1249
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 1: organization to what would you call an organization today that

1250
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: is trying to promote the interests of white people. Well,

1251
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: I mean, but we're talking about two. I think that

1252
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 1: we got to add the context of the times now

1253
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: into that. You know what I'm saying, like if if

1254
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: you're if, if you're if, we're like recognizing that it's

1255
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: like this was like a like a group back then

1256
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: in comparing it with the group now, I don't know.

1257
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, But I mean again, I honestly don't know.

1258
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this like to be like facetious or

1259
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: to like make like a contrarian point. I honestly don't know.

1260
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: So if you guys tell me that this was like

1261
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: a full on we were a white supremacist group and

1262
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, we're gonna make this truce with the

1263
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,160
Speaker 1: Black Panthers, even though we hate you guys when we

1264
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: hate black people, will make this truce with you for now.

1265
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: If that was what they were on, then I don't

1266
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: know then in that case, I'm wrong, you know, I mean,

1267
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: but I don't think they were like you know what

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01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because I hear a lot of lefties now

1269
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: trying to get motherfucker's to work with the alt right

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01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: and no, we should, we should work with the Proud

1271
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: Boys and ship like that. It's like, I don't think

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01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: I don't think Fred Hampton was working with the Proud

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01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: Boys type of organization. No, that's totally different. I think

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01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 1: that the Young Patriots, they weren't necessarily a white supremacist group,

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01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 1: but they certainly were not a group that was running

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01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: around looking for black people to work with. You know

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01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, if a random black person just

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01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: happened to show up at one of their meetings, I'm

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01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: sure they'd be like, what the funk are you doing here?

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01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: You know? I think that I think that look like

1281
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: imagine if imagine if that January six ship happened, but

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01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: it was all poor white people, all poor black people

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01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: uniting to take over that ship, Like that's the type

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01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,599
Speaker 1: of ship that needs to fucking happen. Once poor white

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01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: people realize they're Niggers who, then this ship will get

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01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: over get a lot better faith and poor white people

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01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: of two thousand twenties. It's not poor white people of

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01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: two They're just not. It's it's like, I don't know,

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01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. They just need someone to explain this ship,

1290
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:15,759
Speaker 1: just like I keep saying that they that these street

1291
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 1: gangs needs someone to explain this ship. So do poor

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01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: white people. Poor white people. The reason they're like this

1293
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: is because they have some other person that's charismatic enough

1294
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: to convince them that all of their problems are due

1295
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: to somebody else. But that somebody else is black people,

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01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: is Mexican people, is women. Imagine if they had someone

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01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: that's like, look, these problems are because of these other

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01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: white people that are way richer than you, that don't

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01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: give a funk that you're poor, and they, matter of fact,

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01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: they actually like that you're poor because they can keep

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01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: you uneducated. And if they can keep you uneducated, they

1302
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: can keep you fighting with these other black people that

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01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: are also having the same problems that are just I

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01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: agree with that. I just think that they're aware of that.

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01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: By and by and by and large, I think they're

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01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: they're aware. I think the promise of oh, but we'll

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01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: be better off than the blacks is enough for them

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01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: for I think I think they're absolutely aware of their

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01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: economic situation. They're absolutely aware of their status. They know

1310
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: the elites are sucking them, and they're like, well, you

1311
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean if the trade Office that you

1312
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: guys get to funk us over, but we get to

1313
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: funk over the blacks and the gays, I'll take it like,

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01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: that's what I asked. What I think they're that's what

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01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:39,679
Speaker 1: I think they're off. I think your average poor white

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01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 1: person doesn't think that way. I don't think they have enough.

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01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: I don't think they have enough information to think that way.

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01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 1: I think we're coming back to, like earlier we're saying, oh,

1319
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: people are worried about like their next you know meal

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01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 1: like that people. I like a lot of people, I

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01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: would say probably not even poor white people, like middle

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01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: class white people especially, or a lot of racial anxiety

1323
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: about you know, staying above um the you know, the

1324
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: real niggers. Um. But yeah, poor white people are probably

1325
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: also just were as worried about like getting their next

1326
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 1: box of diapers for their kid or whatever, and not

1327
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 1: thinking like, oh I hate those black people learning like

1328
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: you know openly though there are certainly cases of that

1329
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 1: as well. But they think the same way these street

1330
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: gangs do. Like these street gangs are like, Yo, I

1331
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: can't get ahead because of these niggers on the block.

1332
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:28,479
Speaker 1: I can't get ahead because this gang around the corner,

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01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 1: these other black people, and these fucking poor white folks.

1334
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: I can't get ahead because he's got damn niggers. I

1335
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: can't get ahead because he's damn Mexicans. It's like, if

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01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: we were able to convince them that this was not

1337
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 1: the case and these were the actual problem, I just

1338
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: don't know if we can convince them of that. Man,

1339
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: we can't think you can't. I think that's I'm not

1340
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: the rock. The Rock can do it. If you get

1341
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: the Rock to go talk to these poor white people.

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01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:03,400
Speaker 1: Let's get you're right about that, right, But if the

1343
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: Rock was to say the wrong thing, that deal's done,

1344
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And by rock and by

1345
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 1: wrong thing, I don't even think like like if the

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01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: Rock were to be like, hey, you know what, I'm

1347
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: the Rock and I've been I've been playing it, smiling,

1348
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like everybody loves me. I'm a beloved national figure.

1349
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I don't. I don't really

1350
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: jump too much into politics and take one side one

1351
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 1: way or the other. But you know that Bernie Sanders guys,

1352
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: really makes sense about this medicare for all things. It's done.

1353
01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 1: It's done. White people don't. White people don't like in million.

1354
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 1: People don't like the Rock no more instantly, instantly, the

1355
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: Rock is the only he's not even white. And they

1356
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: don't they It's like either they don't know has I mean,

1357
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: like just the last election, the Rock made vote for

1358
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: Biden video and just what the fund is trumps sucking

1359
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 1: up video, And I mean I read those comments on

1360
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: that post. The majority of the people like I thought

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01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 1: you were one of oz, like I'll never watch another

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01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 1: Rock movie again, you know, And I'm like taking I'm

1363
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 1: taking the time, I'm wasting, I'm wasting my life to

1364
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: actually scroll down these things. And when I find one

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01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: that's like, oh you tell him Rock, I like that,

1366
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: it's of note, like oh one of the Rocks fans

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01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 1: is cool. Okay, you know what I mean? But damn right,

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01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 1: probably if he was thinking about his career, he probably

1369
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 1: should have come back to himself, Hey, we're we're gonna,

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01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna be back with the music discussion right after

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01:13:49,080 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 1: the break. We'll see you guys after the job, all right,

1372
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: into the music discussion. So yeah, so in summary with

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01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,520
Speaker 1: we're talking about Young Lords ultimately got co intel prode etcetera.

1374
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 1: We ain't got to get into that depressing ship and

1375
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 1: za I can talk a little bitou hip hop. So

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01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,760
Speaker 1: we got this track by Moral Technique Young Lords UM,

1377
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 1: in which he describes, you know, solidarity with Puerto Ricans

1378
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 1: as a man of Peruvian descent, paranoia about cointel pro,

1379
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: targeting critiques of capitalism, imperialism, and then interestingly describes how

1380
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 1: incarceration um could be an illuminating experience UM, similar to

1381
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: the sort of revelation that Chacha had while he was

1382
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,000
Speaker 1: in prison, and Malcolm X famously also had its in prison.

1383
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:46,280
Speaker 1: But let's let us do it off the coin soul pro, assassinations, aids, epidemic, crack,

1384
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: refraction of nation. You know, it's it's though we were

1385
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: kind of talking about it earlier. It's one of those

1386
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: joints where you know, the song has the name the

1387
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: Young Lords and it's a Mortal Technique feature. In about

1388
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: like three, Yeah, Pumpkin had three the other rappers or

1389
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 1: four other rappers, and I mean, in my opinion, I

1390
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: think the only person who was sticking like hard to

1391
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 1: the cut to the name of the song was probably

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01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: a Mortal technique. We do move your thoughts on that, Like,

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01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: I thought that he was really sticking to the topic

1394
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: in terms of actually rapping about the Young Lords at

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01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 1: least a lot more than everybody else was. So from

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01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,560
Speaker 1: that standpoint, I don't know how effective the song was

1397
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: as far as, like, you know, educating people and putting

1398
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: them up on the Young Lords and stuff like that.

1399
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:31,560
Speaker 1: But I like it when songs have names like this

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01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: and that's not necessarily the focus of the song because

1401
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: like for someone like me, especially when I was younger,

1402
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: I would be like, Okay, what does young Lords mean?

1403
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 1: And then I would probably try to look it up

1404
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: and you know what I'm saying, And then I mean,

1405
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 1: I feel like one thing in moral technique has done

1406
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: really well is that like interweaving like revolutionary thought and

1407
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: thinking and critique in with just treat ship in a

1408
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 1: way that doesn't feel like he's being too pan. I mean,

1409
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: sometimes a little pedantic, but it's not like he's beating

1410
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: you over the head with like civil rights Ship it's

1411
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:01,759
Speaker 1: just like yo, I was like here on the block,

1412
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 1: like flipa g is like I went to jail. And

1413
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,320
Speaker 1: also like here's a little a little something about che Guevara,

1414
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: here's a little shot about Malcolm X. What's up? Like

1415
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: it does it feels but it doesn't feel very like

1416
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: teachery uh. And that's kind of what this song was

1417
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: like for me, where he's kind of talking about day

1418
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: day of the life, you know, growing up in the barrio, etcetera.

1419
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 1: But then it just like drops these things about like

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01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 1: fucking perialism, etcetera, which it kind of goes back to

1421
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: you were saying earlier about like happens working in the

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01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:29,759
Speaker 1: video and they're like seeing the credit cards or whatever.

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01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 1: It's kind of like that. It's got a little it's

1424
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 1: like a little you know, political twins to it, but

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01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 1: it's still a lurs you win with like imagery that

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01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 1: is familiar if you like. I think that is at

1427
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 1: his best is like when he's when he's just rapping

1428
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 1: and the politics come through like whatever he's rapping about.

1429
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 1: It's most of his songs where he's like sticking hard

1430
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: to like a specific political subject and stuff like that.

1431
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 1: I like him more like you said, when it could

1432
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:00,640
Speaker 1: sound like he's just rapping street ship or he's just

1433
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 1: spitting battle bars even you know what I mean. But

1434
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: like peppered in that, you've got like these these little

1435
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: these little lines in these little nuggets of like, oh

1436
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: he thinks this about that issue. Oh he thinks us

1437
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: about that. Oh he's he's bringing awareness to this issue.

1438
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 1: But then overall the song, that's not the intent of

1439
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: the song, And I don't know for me it makes

1440
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: for a more enjoyable listening experience. Agreed, But hopefully we

1441
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: can do another episode more on like the Puerto Rican

1442
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 1: independent Struggle, which is like fascinating, uh, young lords, Oh yeah,

1443
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: I mean they so you know, they were about like

1444
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 1: independence for all colonized people, but particular but you know,

1445
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: with various levels to it. You know, they want self

1446
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: determination for Puerto Rican communities and Latino communities in America.

1447
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: Independence for what is you know, effectively a US colony.

1448
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 1: I mean no, definitely a US colony in Puerto Rico.

1449
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 1: But then like seeing the similarities and struggles for you know,

1450
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 1: people in Vietnam or various other territories under US occupation

1451
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: in various forums being economic or like literally military presence.

1452
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 1: So I mean, like the Puerto Rico independence struggle is

1453
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: still ongoing. So this is something that they were like

1454
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: about whether people are out here today still like fighting

1455
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: for in different ways. There's not like a unified you know,

1456
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: there's been various different opinions on what should happen. But

1457
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll come back and talk about that sometime. So

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01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 1: and Mike before we bounce out, So, what do you

1459
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 1: got going these days? What's up? Um? We're still doing

1460
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 1: dead end stuff. You know. We have like got five

1461
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 1: or six different podcasts going. Um, we don't get to

1462
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: do you on all the podcasts? Go ahead? What are

1463
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 1: you about to say? I'm on three of them? Three

1464
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 1: of them? Um, But we don't get to dive deep

1465
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: into political stuff like this. You know we have there's

1466
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: the mic still on. That's probably the closest thing to

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01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 1: the media ever. Fire over there right now. Hey, bro,

1468
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 1: we're trying. We're trying. We're trying. But I mean this

1469
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 1: was fun because you know, y'all make me think I

1470
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 1: don't have to think that much when I do shoot

1471
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: think that hard? You know what I mean? For coming on? Man,

1472
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,280
Speaker 1: where can people find you? Um? You can mostly find

1473
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 1: me with dead in hip Hop so YouTube dot com

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Speaker 1: forward slash deaden hip hop, talk about you know, hip

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Speaker 1: hop man, talk about rap albums, talk about hip hop culture. Um,

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Speaker 1: you can find me on my own ship, Um mike

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Speaker 1: ctown dot com, m y k e c t own

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Speaker 1: dot com. Um, you can find me talking about other

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Speaker 1: ship outside of hip hop, because you know, black people

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Speaker 1: are not a monolith and people need to start really

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Speaker 1: recognizing that ship. And I want to make a safe

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Speaker 1: space for weirdo black kids to not be called brido

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Speaker 1: black kids by white people. So come through. Well that's

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Speaker 1: what's up, y'all. Make sure you gotta check out that

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Speaker 1: in hip hop. Those album reviews are banging. I've been

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Speaker 1: watching that in hip hop since they have, Like when

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Speaker 1: y'all was having like three views on ship was good

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Speaker 1: old days. Yeah, I was watched in that ship. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, one day, I'm gonna be on that.

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Speaker 1: And you've been on there a couple of times, I know. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, um, Mariah, we gotta close us off

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Speaker 1: the way we always do. Right. Yes, I can do

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Speaker 1: some rap music and Mike, you canna drop some bars

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Speaker 1: on this rapide for you're gonna we're not gonna get

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Speaker 1: the white seats. I mean, if you let me know

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Speaker 1: ahead of time. I wrote you a fire sixteen but

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Speaker 1: you didn't say nothing. You know what I'm saying. Yet,

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Speaker 1: you gotta pay me a rap on the spot. Bro Alright,

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Speaker 1: we heard it. We heard it here first, Me and

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Speaker 1: Mariah are gonna start to go fund me and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get sixteen bars from Mike Sea Town in the future. Yo, Joel,

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Speaker 1: can you drop a beat? Yeah, waiting on reparation, dope

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Speaker 1: knife Mike Sea Town, young lords. What They didn't listen

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Speaker 1: to the grievances when we was vocal license, So we

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Speaker 1: put the petty beef away and started organizing. They was

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Speaker 1: picturing it at first, So we hit the war Herst,

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Speaker 1: gathering all the troops, and then we started sitting in

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Speaker 1: the church. It's waiting on reparations. You better reimburse because

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Speaker 1: I eat by you niggas, and I hit you with

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Speaker 1: a curse. Now they keep us in the slums or

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Speaker 1: the one the cops hunt for. Better pay your homage

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Speaker 1: while you think they call us young lords. If you

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Speaker 1: really want more, we got it all in spades. Reparations bits.

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Speaker 1: You motherfucker's are the page. They want us on our

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Speaker 1: hand and knees to put us in the cage. They're

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Speaker 1: trying to make a sequel. Call it twenty years of slave. Look,

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Speaker 1: get in your place. I'm spin in your face. Want

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Speaker 1: to scare white folks more than critical race. And when

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Speaker 1: I hear be spent with the rhythm and paste, slap

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Speaker 1: you in the mouth and leaf you. Fuck us without

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Speaker 1: a taste. Dope, listen dope knife and you have been

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Speaker 1: listening to Waiting on Reparations production of I Heard We'll

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Speaker 1: see you guys next week. Listen to on Reparations only

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